2016 Nissan Titan XD Gas V8 vs Diesel V8 vs Super Ike Gauntlet Review: Battle of the Titans
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- Опубліковано 5 лип 2016
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Check out this 2016 Nissan Titan XD gas V8 vs Diesel V8 vs Super Ike Gauntlet review. In this " Battle of the Titans", we load each Titan XD to the maximum for the "Super Ike Gauntlet". Which one is faster up the hill? Wait until you see the twist in the comparison!
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You guys are killing these truck reviews - realize how much time these take to script, schedule, shoot and edit - much appreciated!
+Riyad Kalla thanks for the kind words and yes these take a boatload of time and planning.
I am starting to like you guys more and more. I like that you put these trucks to actual driving and towing tests and put it on video, unlike every magazine out there. You guys do real, actual testing.
Gosh i feel like the first time i saw Andre feature on camera he was kind of shy and didnt speak very much english. Now he full time on! This whole channel came a long way :D
As an XD skeptic, y'all have completely opened my eyes to how awesome these trucks are! May be purchasing one of these in the near future!
It’s been 4 years, did you buy a Titan?
Beautiful truck. Nissan took their time getting a new Titan out but did a bang up job. Quality seems to be #priority, something the "big 3" may want to take notice on.
Thank you guys so much for the great truck reviews! I have been researching my brains out picking a truck, and have largely narrowed it down to a pretty close #1 and #2! This video helps :) .
Another great video guys....second to none when it comes to truck reviews...keep'em coming
gotta say you guys are getting better with your tests and info. I remember when you guys had no clue how much power naturally aspirated vehicles lost at that elevation compared to turbos.
As an auto auctioneer,I thoroughly enjoy these videos. Thanks Guys and very good production !
U guys have the coolest job, love what u guys are doing and I'm a huge fan. Keep up the great work
Fantastic video as always 👍🏻 I'm blown away on how close the trucks were! It really shows how choked the Diesels are with emissions and how far gasser have come over the years! With brand new trucks it's getting hard to talk myself into going diesel when the gas engines can hold their own...
Really liking the gas XD. Got a 2004 Titan and it has no problems. No engine lights, no dents, no nothing. It's a great truck and nobody can tell it's a 2004. The closest someone ever guessed was 2009. That truck has lasted a long time and will continue to do so!
I respect your channel a lot, you guys are the best at what you do. Keep up the great work!
Thank you very much!
The Fast Lane Car more diesels please! Any way you could ask Mercedes-Benz why the new X - class is not coming to North America? Well at least we have the new duramax 2.8! Keep up the good work! Every video I watch always gets a thumbs up!
I have a 2016 XD platinum reserve with the cummins. Its got 120,000 miles on it now and has not been babied. I went in open minded because I didnt need max towing bragging right but regularly pull a 26ft enclosed car hauler loaded to around 11,000lbs. I have to say, its built to cruise towing and it does that with a better ride and more stable than most other trucks. The Cummins has been problem free. I am religious about fluid, filter changes , pm maintenance and I think that does help. The transmission is massive and stays cool, no chatter, no stutter... and yes it does shift with a purpose, feels like some of the big rig automatics when it shifts but I expected that considering its beefiness. It has a few interior niggles but the seats make me happy, its just a nice place to cruise. Im curious how far this thing will go with the Cummins. So far Ill give it a 7 out of 10. Its not perfect but for what I use it for, it works well. Fuel mileage is not its selling point, at 65 max loaded it will do 10-13 mpg, and down to around 8 over 70. Smallish fuel tank can be swapped with an inframe aftermarket upgrade or a bed tank. But... if you find one cheap, buy it.
So you’re the lucky one.
@@Cherokeelion Ouch. I bought a used ‘17 with 40K miles and 3 days later my turbo actuator failed. Warranty work is always a shit show.
@@Cherokeelion Ouch
@@Cherokeelion yikes very sorry to hear that man
I stumbled upon this comparo and it caught my eye as I tow with a larger gas (496c.i.) Chevy. I know from my many years of towing that the differences can be surprising when comparing the two engine types. Obviously the diesel goes about its business at lower rpm and may hang in a gear longer without the need for a downshift but for actual performance numbers and fuel economy the two can be pretty close. In today's world of turbo diesels it's common for most to give the nod in this regard to the diesel but I know from experience that gas does well too. Economy improves for the diesel when lightly loaded whereas the gas remains much the same.
Love yall's channel, watch all yall's videos!
I have bought the platinum reserve gas engine and I love it.
M. Ateeq68 I know this is an old comment. You still love it this much later?
I'm very to see that you guys are getting some love from the vendors!
Very entertaining videos and a lot of humour. I really want a truck now. My small Mazda3 isn't a good towing machine. And now it's dead.
another great video, keep up the good work
Great video guys!
Great video guys
you guy's have way to much fun at work! I enjoyed the Super "ICE" Gauntlet dunk tank ;O)
More Ike Gauntlet please, they're my favorites! :-D
Great job FLT! I'd like to see a F150 3.5 & 5.0 pull the same weight.
Crazy how this was 6 years ago!!!
7~
I feel like these will be great used trucks in 5-10 years. Especially the Cummins.
I had a Nissan Titan XD with the Cummins diesel. Good riddance to that piece of ****.
You can get them for 25k a year later. Cheap and great transmissions that don't break like American crap.
@@Hotdog_84 that's true really from what I've seen on UA-cam they all seem to be pretty weak accept Toyota. But I wonder if you could put an aftermarket Allison 6 speed manual in that Nissan , now you got a truck...
Pondr Fords transmissions are the most underrated on the market. At the shop I worked at we NEVER had a ford tranny repair going back to the 6.0. Tons of other repairs, but not transmission. Allison gets a lot of pub, but the 6-speeds paired to the 6.7 are bulletproof. Now the 10-speeds..... ummm we shall see. Other thing we saw were people chewing up rear ends. Would hot shot without getting a 4.10 and sometimes eat up the 3.73 on the dually.
@@Hotdog_84 2004 Infiniti QX56 300,000KM original engine and transmission, 2005 NISSAN Titan 274,000KM original engine and Transmission 2008 NISSAN Titan 270,000KM original engine and transmission and another 2008 NISSAN TITAN 206,000KM original engine and transmission I use them for my construction business (roofing and Siding) towing 7-8 thousand pounds all the time sometimes over 10,000lb without any problem, I just upgraded to a 2019 NISSAN TITAN PRO 4X (u can see it on my ID) and soon a 2020 NISSAN TITAN XD is joining the crew.
The gas motor - 7 speed? The ratio spacing seems a bit wide in the video (upshift / downshift with such a large rpm difference) a gear between would have been perfect...
I can't wait until you get to do the Super Ike with the Ram 3500. That'll be sweet.
What a great video! Thank you.
I looked through the comments and didn't see this yet. The gas may have been faster but if your towing heavy weight and reving from 3500 to 6000 rpm like they were your gonna blow the engine eventually. The diesel stays between 2500 and 3500. Much better for towing and staying relaxed.
You guys need to hook up the 5.6 gas to the 9000 pound trailer to compare it to the other half tons now!!
Great video guys! Good job.
Thanks!
Yep, awesome video, I love the water dump catch. :P
That was hilarious, lol!
Really good video!
I got to say that the V8 5.6 sounds good!
pretty excited to see its performance on the lighter platform titan coming out.
We are also very interested to see the light duty 2017 Nissan Titan with this 5.6L V8 gas motor. Should be very quick!
+09infintig37x it pretty much is haha. the new titan got the DI from the qx I'd imagine.
Sure does, very rumbly under WOT for a stock exhaust
sounds like the engine is gonna Explode any minute .
I would love this motor and trans in my NV3500. Hopefully Nissan makes it available soon
You guys need to do another video like this down the road after one of the Titan XD Diesels has more miles on it. We own a new Titan XD Diesel and it has 5,000 miles on it. It runs totally different than when we first bought it! We've been told it takes 50,000 miles before they really break in and open up!
That gasser was maxed out...no thanks
What’s the point of an engine that doesn’t break in until 50k? Am I not supposed to pull or use it for work for a year or two?
@@TeensierPython well the story goes thats when you really see the differance of a diesel, when it hits the 50k-100k its like nite and day. You should also give the gaser almost that much time tooor tons of metal in the bottom of trans case. But everyone to their own...
synergy hate to ask this but what yr did you buy, looking hard at this truck or 3/4 ram...
Have had my Titan XD with a Cummins for 55k miles. I absolutely love it and have had no problems. All stock. I’d recommend the truck to anyone who owns a 2003 or older 2500 truck who just wants a new truck with the same capability.
I know this is an old comment but do you still
Feel this way? I have a 2003 2500 Suburban and am heavily considering upgrading
@@ralphlambda5359 Yes 100%
You should test the Cummins after it has had a chance to break in. Every diesel I have had experience with has needed to break in before that the motor hits its sweet spot.
It's interesting that the yellow pro4x did it in 8:44, but this one takes 10mins 30secs. Trailer weight is kinda same. I am wondering why diesel is slower than gas, just doesn't make sense to me
@@yuzeyang8847 diesel has always been slower stock. But more efficient and longer lasting traditionally.
@@xlthumper I am saying in another video they test yellow pro 4x with diesel but that diesel is way faster than this blue one.
@@yuzeyang8847 sorry. I thought that was the gas they tested. My mistake. I watch again.
@@xlthumper you good, no worries. it feels like that 8:44 time is more accurate for this diesel model. Not sure what happened to the blue diesel in this video.
how about a F150 with max payload package and 3.5L ecoboost Vs TitanXD?
Andre! If you were going to buy a 1/2 tonne crew, which would it be? f150 v8?
My dad owns one and I’ll have to let him know about the trailer light cycling test, dealership never said anything lol and this is the only vid I’ve seen about it.
I'd like to see a test on a 07 Jeep Commander Overland with the 5.7 hemi in it. Just to see what it can and can't do. Have you or can you do one?
Great video. There's no way Fred Diaz is managing this truck. The Diesel simply doesn't perform the way anyone wishes it would. I think this platform has all the potential in the world but Nissan has to realize that potential buyers will always opt for more capabilities at this price point. I've been cross shopping for weeks but the math vs capability vs price vs fuel economy hurts the XD. Honestly they need to dramatically change the programming of the diesel and lower the price by at least $4500 and perhaps they'll have a winning formula. Help me Nissan to justify getting a new XD!!!
I agree. I want one but reasonably I am not getting one.
Fred Diaz revolutionized the RAM brand. How could the gas out tow the diesel?
It seems like the Diesel is geared like a gas engine. I think it needs a taller axle so it can hit a higher speed in lower gears with more multiplication. The trans tuning in both seemed crappy. I hate how the trucks hunt up and down when you are flat to the floor towing in D. I wish you guys would tow with the manual trans shifting to keep the rpms and the speed. I doubt very highly holding redline all the way up would cause any strain at all the way engines are engineered now. I have found towing with my 11 F150 5.0 and 13 F250 6.2 if I leave it in a lower gear going up hill towing I could actually back out of the throttle instead of being at full and having it in a higher gear. That would lead me to believe more fuel would be being used in D rather than M.
agree.
When you were filling the dunk tank what song was playing in the background?
I'm surprised at the mpg, would have thought the diesel would have gotten closer to 5-6mpg.
Is traffic conditions the reason you don't use cruise control for the uphill?
Only thing I can figure is it must have done a regen during that run?
Dang 3500 rpm constantly for that long I'm impressed.
Lets see how it does in 20 years when I can afford one
Watching these old ones. Mr. Truck called the Gen Y hitch the “Ginny hitch”. 😂
So...not much difference in performance or fuel economy...what that means is you get to pay $5000 more for one that has a chrome "C" on the front fender. That's crazy.
Just bought the 2017 Nissan Titan Pro 4x in white. This thing looks fantastic and ive had nothing but compliments from people all week....and 5 year 160000 km bumper to bumper warranty is great.
Modern I assume you got the diesel then, i'm still skidish but want the cummins
you guys are nuts but I still love it
I still drive a 2006 Titan 5.6L with 200K miles. Great truck, but towing at altitude is not it's thing, at all. Then there's the F150 3.5L ecoboost that hauls up that mountain towing as they back off the gas pedal all the way up.
I have the titan pro4x and I absolutely love it I was a ford guy but not anymore
Excellent. Thank you thank you.
One thing is for certain. The 5.6 downshifted and damn near redlined a bunch of times which is definitely going to shorten the life of the engine and transmission.
Good idea Roman.
you guys should do the 5.6 titan vs other gasser's
I like the hitch but without the sway control and rubber shit I have a adjustable drop hitch but wore it out even though it is all heavy steel but the pins got wallered out from pulling every day
Having to slow down for speed limit runs the test.
TFL how do you conduct the Ike gauntlet test?
I have a 2017 Titan XD and i think it's rated higher than the 2016. It could also be since mine is a regular cab but i have never had problems towing heavy trailers with a heavy payload as well.
Julian Andre Nope, it’s not.
If you could I would like to have you comment on the knocking sound made by the 5.0 in the Ford f150. Mine is a2018. I love the truck but I am worried about this. I hope you are familiar with the issue. Ford says it is not a problem. Boy do I enjoy your videos. Can't wait for the HD s with the 6.6 and 7.3 gassers.Lester.
I get the attributes of both engines but it clearly shows how much gas power plants have evolved. I'd go with the 5.6. Not because it's faster but because all you need to do with it in this situation is give it synthetic oil changes as your routine maintenance. It did the same thing the Cummins did. Rev it, run it, idle it etc. gas engines are basically maintenance free.
The only reason to buy a Cummins XD is for the diesel experience and powerband. There's not much this 7000# plus behemoth offers otherwise. You can get a true HD Ford/GM/Ram at a similar price with far more capacity in the same weight class.
Holy Dunkin Donuts, Batman! Real dough-nuts! But, good to see a real comparison between models. I am not surprised by the mpg results, as both trucks seem to be driven at max rpm for max loads. Myself, am not concerned about high speed when towing. Rather, I drive at "optimum" rpm for the motor and tranny, and use the optimum gear. Thus, I would be MUCH more interested in seeing Kent operate the diesel at say 2300 rpm, which appears to be the optimum rpm for the motor, and then see the results for time and mpg. Same for the gasser, tho likely it would indeed need say 5000 rpm to produce optimum. For such, I would expect the gasser to be quicker, but consume way more fuel. As a viewer noted below, the real issue for diesel is the rpm versus the towing abilities. If the Titan diesel can tow 10k# at say 50 mph up the Ike, at say 2300 rpm, this would be useful info for buyers imho. At 2300 rpm, the wear on the motor would be far far less than say 5000 rpm for the gasser, and this would be a prime reason for buying the diesel. $56k is not cheap and parts are very expensive; but if the diesel can outlast the gasser, the price might be worthwhile. But, such a pity Cummins did not engineer the diesel with an engine brake!
As far as towing capability, is it worth the jump from the regular TITAN 1/2 ton to the TITAN XD, considering gasoline engines only?
Not really. Payload is a different story though.
I never understood the start of it. What speed do you start at? Why not start from zero? I dont get ot 🤦🏻♀️
That 5.6 gasser doesn't have a Jatco trans...Does it? Would much prefer the Aisin!!!
OK I wanna see Titan XD Diesel vs Ford 3.5 Ecoboost F-150 with max tow and 3.73 gears. Same load.
Ecoboost would destroy the XD Diesel.. 310 hp/555 ft lbs torque for the diesel vs 365 hp/450 ft lbs torque for the gasser.. now considering that when properly equipped each can tow over 12,000 lbs..
Rexford L My point exactly
Rexford L the eco boost was built for towing 9.000lbs so chill out there and get a real man's V8
Darryl Abraham I don't want a V8 in my pickup. Give me an inline 6 every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
v6 is proven to be as good as a v8 with better fuel milage and at times more hp
Hey TLT guys, why was there no legit explanation how the gas engine pretty much destroyed the diesel? Any ideas?
what are these trucks equivalent to? 1/2 or 3/4 what does nissan classify them at.
5/8 ton
Nice to see Cummins branching out from just Dodge Ram finally! It is too bad the about what happened to the eco diesel though :(
People that don’t actually own the XD talk cheap lmao
Love my XD gas job
Its about the horsepower. The Gas powered has more horsepower. Dont think I would want to be running 6k RPMs to generate that power though.
Thanks guys for videos like this. I’ve now owned a 2002, 2005, and 2012 Cummins, a 2015 ecoboost, and. 2018 Yukon Denali. I finally feel comfortable saying that I’m never going back to diesel unless I buy a 5th wheel or use it for HEAVY work. Gas engines have progressed DRAMATICALLY lately, and for those people keeping their vehicles less than 10 years it makes no sense to pay the diesel premium anymore. The campers we buy usually weigh between 4-7k Lbs and my last two gassers have performed admirably.
I agree for the most part. Towing on flat land gas, towing in the mountains diesel / turbo is king.
As a comparison, their test of the Ford F-150 3.0 Diesel did the hill with 8,500lbs in 9:49 I think getting 5.x mpg, vs these trucks with 10,500lbs.
The xd also weighs 7400lbs so the xd is heavier and hauling a heavier trailer.
Previously you towed a gooseneck trailer weighing 10,200 pounds in 8:44. Do you think the drag from the trailer made that much of a difference?I would like to see you test both of these trucks using the exact same 9,000 pound trailer that was used with the other 1/2 trucks in the Ike Gauntlet so that we can have a fair comparison between these and the previous runs. The mashups are interesting but it is more valuable to have an even comparison.
So, today, we learn that horsepower matters after all! What's more surprising is that the diesel engine doesn't get that much better fuel economy doing this pull. The grade of gasoline required isn't specified, but in the East of the U.S., regular gas is significantly cheaper than diesel; so the slight fuel economy advantage of the diesel is more than eaten up by the higher price of the fuel.
I'm not sure there's really a case for the diesel in this application, unless the apparent extra noise of the gas engine spinning at higher rpm bothers you. And, for someone pulling a travel trailer close to the diesel's maximum rated tow capacity, its 1450 lbs. payload is a big problem. Lots of travel trailers have tongue weights 700-1,000 lbs. which leaves very little extra capacity for carrying people and stuff in the truck.
Both trucks are big they look like heavy duties but without the capacity of them. If I had to choose a truck to have it would be the gasoline.
Id like to see an older generation. 3rd generation Ram. 02-08. Curious to see how these this would do 🤔
The benefit is the cummins not down shifting every 10 seconds...
Torque
Just needs better trans tuning is all and a better rear end ratio. The 2.93 rear ratio is neutering it
@@69yenko65 It's a 3.92 rear.
@@AlaskaErik the diesel does. The gas setup gets the 2.93 ratio
5.6L has a 3.36 gear in the XD not 2.94.
do you guys leave these trucks in overdrive?
Even if that diesel had a 6.7 Cummings I would still take the ⛽ V-8... It's just bulletproof & a bad ass 🛻💨 all the way around imo. The Nissan V-8 is just as good as the Toyota V-8... My dad has a '07 Titan basic 📦 he got it back in '07 with roll up 🪟 & manual 🔐 paid $17,000, he wanted it because it had the same V8 as the expensive 🛻💨 & he has over 230,000 miles & the 🛻💨 has been very solid for him. & we live in Phoenix & AC works as good as my 2022 Tacoma!!
Tommy should have pushed that lever! Right, give Andre some ICE, make old boy feel at home. I'm back watching this because I got interested in the Titan diesel...
This wouldn't be surprising at sea level considering the gas engine is more powerful. Interesting though that the boosted diesel wasn't able to make up for its lack of power at altitude.
How much weight was in each one?
wow somebody keyed the Titan at 12:20
I know this video is old but I’m in the market for a truck, I can get a great deal on the Titan, resale value would the 5.0 hold up better? Titans have come along way, I think the best trucks go f150, tundra, ram and Titan then the gm trucks.
What I heard in the video gas truck was very loud like struggling and xd was smooth. Please correct me if I am wrong.
I love the look
That was FUN review. Lol.
After owning a F150 5.0 and ecoboost engine, I think I understand why engines with a higher torque at a lower rpm can get out towed by a higher revving V8 gas. I think it's because, at the diesels (or ecoboost) sweet spot of 2000-3000 rpm, it has to run a higher gear to maintain highway speeds. A V8 gas can rev twice that high, therefore it can use a lower gear and maintain highway speeds, while getting an extra mechanical advantage out of the transmission, transmitting more torque to the wheels.
I think you mean just the diesel, The ecoboosts outrun the V8s
What are the full specs of the trucks. Is the diesel 4x4?
Normally I wouldn't even look at Japanese pickups, but $16k off the factory sticker and a few minutes of extra time got my attention when I arrived at a lunch gathering 15 minutes early. So I went across the street to check out the Titan XD. Later, I went back and test drove a Platinum Reserve with the Cummins. My first impression is that it felt like driving a 3/4 ton more than it did a half ton. Which I could live with. But the more I looked at it, the less I liked it. Here is a list of the short comings...7 inch screen is too small. The big three have nothing smaller than 8 inch. No digital speedometer. I own four vehicles and every one has one and I'm used to them. No full-time 4WD. GM has had them for 20 years now on the half ton and the HD series gets it in 2020. Having had it for 18 years in Alaska, I don't want to be without it. No limited slip differential. Again, needed for Alaska. The e-locker on the Pro4X is for off-road use and not suited for highway driving. No power fold mirrors. I have single-width garage doors, so I need them. But what really tipped me against the XD are two TFL videos I watched. One was the 98 mile loop with a Cummins and a 5.6 gasser. The difference in fuel consumption was minimal. I expected the Cummins to do much better than it did, especially when it was towing a load. The other video was the Ike Gauntlet. Again, I expected the Cummis to do much better than the gasser, but it was actually slower and used almost as much fuel. Since I expect to tow no more than 7500 to 8000 pounds, a gasser looks to be the better choice. So I'm trading in my Silverado 1500 for a Sierra 1500 with the 6.2 engine and the max tow package. I'll wait for the 2020 model in the hopes that tow mirrors will available.
Alaska I'm glad you put down what your grips were. I hope Nissan listens to those that have takend the time to express their complains. Nissan has put a darn nice truck out there but has chosen to I guess go cheap on a few things, no jake brake is one.. I'm looking to and almost want the 6.2 GM but will see. Need to see what the XD gaser will pull, forgot that.
mine has been in the shop for the AC 3 times. New drivers seat. Head gasket, turbo..and a few other things i cannot remember right now. The fuel filters are expensive. The oil changes are expensive. The fuel mileage is about 13 ( i have a leveling kit with 33" tires.) My 2017 super duty had no problems. 17 mpg (4" lift with 37s) power isn't even comparable. Interior is much nicer with cooled and heated seats. Locking hubs and locking rear dif. shift on the fly. All things that make a truck heavy duty is on the super duty...Not the titan. I know that the titan is not supposed to be a 3/4 ton...,.OK then why price it like one? thats why Titan XD cummins is going away...My opinion
Simply ridiculous, nobody who buys a truck will worry about consumption. If you are worried about consumption for that you have to go and buy a hybrid of ladies. A towing job will do the same in a Titan XD as in a GM truck or any other brand. if you have to transport a container or some heavy object you will do it in the same way in any truck you choose, a difference of 2k or 3k pounds will not affect anything ..
Man the 6.2 is nice but a poor choice if you drive a lot. Premium fuel only in a truck. Terrible idea. I mean if you’re loaded with $$$.
@@Poor_ManTruck I've had my max tow 2019 Silverado 1500 with the 6.2L engine for over three years now and it's made towing so much easier. On a recent 390 mile trip I got 25.9 mpg, so I'm not complaining.
would you guys know if toyota is going to do somthing like this with the tundra. that would be cool a heavy duty tundra
How many miles will you have to drive the diesel to pay for itself only getting 1 mile per gallon more towing and regular driving
Andre looks like he can be related to Jean Claude Van Damme.
How would the trucks preform towing a 2800lb bass boat. Full weight including trailer?
I would love to see a towing test in a pathfinder. 2016. not everyone's first choice for a tow rig but it's comfortable for my family on long trips. plus gets great mileage on the highway. I'd just like a video of the cvt getting a workout up this big ass hill vs like a Ford Explorer v6 NA
As an Automotive Auctioneer, I have to say those Titan XDs and to a lesser extent, the Titans are not vehicles that are highly coveted. Tundras and others attract all the bidders. However, as I am a person who has no brand loyalty, seeing as I am paying the maker and not the other way around, I say I like these vehicles. Tundra has relished the best reliability of any other pickup, but I would not buy a truck with a 5.5 ft bed or not buy without crew cab. XD is not an aesthetically pleasing truck, but Love the utilitarian nature of it. Chevy and Ford are solid, and Love RAM for looks (minus tranny issues). For someone who tows and loads somewhat often, I would like a truck that can tow as a core competency per SAE ratings. I need the space for family, hunting, camping, and going out to the range, but I don't want to spend money on a diesel and its related higher costs as compared to gas (many companies' fleets moving away from diesel). I would say this vehicle has its merit in XD gas form. Wish they made the higher end trims in 6 seater configuration.