When people make extreme statements like this truck is trash or crap, it's usually because they are brand loyal and do not want to acknowledge the efforts of others. The truth is that this is a great truck, if it's not for you it's ok to be honest about it, but please don't try to stretch reality to massage your own egotistical biases.
Well put , you'll never get the brand loyalty out of people and I'm one ( Ford ). It is a nice looking truck but I'll always buy Ford . Make sense ? Not really . LOL
John Gage you can. was always a f150 guy but my dad was a ram guy. in 2010 he bought a 2010 ram 1500 slt full loaded. he gave it to me this year for school and instantly fell on love with it. but when I saw this truck at the auto show this year again I fell in love with this as well. and well know don't know what get
I got an 09 and love it. While Nissan is not the best at anything, it is good at everything. While is not the most powerful truck, I towed another car on a trailer from PA to TN without a hiccup. Not the best MPG on the market but I still average around 15 on the highway. Its been very dependable with no issues at closing 100K miles, just change oils periodically. I am happy with my titan so far. I know is going to break soon or later but at least it went to the whole 6 years until paid off without even changing spark plugs. That's reliability in my book and that's what I want on a truck.
joyerios i don't know mine is an 04 and nothing has ever broken and left me stranded. super reliable. anything thats going last long enough that you know something is wrong. only 70,000 on mine though.
I've got an 05 with 240000 miles on it. It's been phenomenal truck. I tow a 20ft bass boat at least twice a week on average and have had issues whatsoever. I average about 16 mpg empty and about 13 towing. I've got zero complaints. Definitely top two on my list for next truck. The only other truck I've really been considering is the F150.
Funny how I just watched U guys take a 6.2 litre Chevy up the same hill and with the same weight, and its performance was no better yet it shined! Then U took the same Chevy downhill and it had 3 more brake events, yet your subjective scores were better for the Chevy, the Titan is cheaper and has a better warranty, WTF?
It’s called business the nature or business. When a channel grows to the lengths that TFL has money gets involved. Advertising and marketing dollars from the manufacturers come in to play. Happens in all media outlets. Car and driver motor trend truck trend etc. about MONEY. What you have to take away from TFL and other outlets as they’ve proved is in today’s market the margin and gap from truck to truck is VERY narrow. There is no bad truck today one is not better than the other. There’s a truck for everyone’s needs. Depends on yours an what you like as to what you buy. I like these new titans. I had a 2008 and a 2014 Pro-4x. They were stout but I could no longer swing 50-60 bucks every week in Gas. Their mpg was to horrible for my daily driving. I’ve also had a 05 and 06 Silverado 5.3. Great trucks and got a consistent 20 mpg highway and combined 16-17. I currently drive a 14’ Silverado. I love the new 5.3 and it’s power vs the cats eye gm 5.3. But I miss the seats the most in my 05 and 06 Silverado they were like lazy boy recliners! Swallowed ya up! It’s like my salesman said in reference to the titans since forever in 2004 forward they’ve been the best kept secret in the truck world! Sure they don’t sell the numbers of GM or Ford but they’re every bit as good a truck.
@@jew0182 Well said! Todd Grant point is very valid! 5.3 is one of the most fuel efficient v8's you can buy. I had 07 Yukon. Now I have 18 Titan. Fuel efficiency in the Titan (2nd Gen) is about same as Ford 5.0, Ram 5.7 and the GM 6.2. We got two of them in our Fleet up at work. The Ford is 16 and Ram is 15. These newer trucks are fantastic at towing. There nothing like older 1/2 tons. Pulling my 5000lb trailer is nothing for my Titan. That's above 5K ft. My old Yukon struggle but it worked. Just had to take it slow...
@@jew0182 I took a new titan pro 4x for a test drive last winter, it didn't make it 10 miles and it puked out all the trans fluid and left my wife and I on the side of the hwy in -30C
tommy hammond you should've said the truck style has changed being its designed to look similar to a F150 and it's numbers are impressive. I have to agree beautiful and truck in same sentence is something your girlfriend or wife would say unless she's more of a man then you 🤔
Odd that the tow mirrors aren't on the Platinum Reserve? The tow mirrors are part of the towing or utility packages on the SV, Pro 4X, & SL trims. Also... did I hear Mr. Truck correctly? "I'm disappointed in the performance. I like the engine and transmission". Why not more than 16 points? Was it the number of brake applications? The RPMs? Can you at least let us know what the negatives were? "Performance" is a pretty generic term, especially when you follow it up with saying you like the engine and trans.
I'd like to suggest that TFL includes the following information for each test: Ambient temperature (during uphill tests), max coolant temp, max trans fluid temp and max oil temp. It would be great if there was a list of this along with total test weight. These are great tests!
So overall results between the 2016 F150 5L GAS, 2016 Ram 5.7, 2016 Silverado 5.3 8/speed, and this, all towing 9,000 lbs: 2016 Ram 5.7: 9-Brake apps down hill, 7:44 uphill time, 3.0 MPG 2016 Silverado 5.3 8 speed, 10 Brake apps downhill, 8:08 uphill time, 3.2 MPG 2017 Titan 1500 5.6, 9 Brake apps downhill, 8.08 uphill and then adjusted to 8:12 to compensate for traffic??? Meaning you guys were going too fast or why was time added when usually adjusting for traffic means the time should've gotten quicker since the hwy would've been more congested? 2016 F150 5.0 GAS, fewest brake app, 8:14 uphill 3.8 MPG A big difference is the shape of the trailer, Titan is pulling a box while the other 3 had a more aerodynamic trailer so that'll throw off the MPG reading on the Titan for the worse. Other than that, aside from the RAM, the Titan's performance is comparable to the Ford and Chevy's.
Kirk Jacobson idk how exact the 8 min is for the control speed. You also have to take into consideration that there is additional time to accelerate to 60
Unless the "gauntlet" is less than 8 miles long it is mathematically impossible to get a time under 8 minutes without cheating and going faster than 60 MPH with some trucks. I understand they do their tests in the real world with a real person driving so this isn't a criticism of TFL. I'm just saying you should ignore times under 8 minutes and assume it was just an 8 minute run with generous acceleration.
When I come off the mountain with my Titan pulling my trailer loaded with snowmobiles I put the damn thing in the gear I want and never touch the brake....same on the way up. Why don't you guys do the same couse that's how you tow a trailer regardless what brand it is...did the same with my duramax as well.....come on guys learn how to tow a fricking trailer! Also, why didn't you just get the Titan with the tow mirrors! Think your just wanting something to bitch about...
When you compare this truck to the Ford and Chevy it holds its own but yet it gets a 66 and the Ford gets 72 and Chevy 71?? Plus this truck ran a good time up the hill and had the least amount of your breakings down hill?? Come on TFL!! I love you guys but I do believe your scoring has got to change.
My two cents. If I needed to tow 9-10,000lbs up a mountain pass, I would not be buying a half ton - from any brand. I would be buying a diesel. For all the smack-talkers, keep in mind this test is pushing the Titan beyond it's limits, yet it still performed. This truck is perfectly capable for what it's intended.
Bingo! Couldn't have said it better myself. TFL is entertaining but take with a grain salt. I live in Rocky Mtn west I would never tow 9-10k with a half ton up here.
Thanks guys. Love your tests. I dont see how Ike is tougher than Davis- especially in the summer. Its an 11 mile climb and although not as high, the heat saps power and strains cooling systems where IKE always has much cooler air.
TFL is pretty good. Just wish they'd be more realistic with the GM trucks they always test the 6.2l when 90% of GM trucks are equipped with the wimpy 5.3l
I don't understand why Mr. Truck gave a personal score of 15. This truck had less brake applications than the F150 and the time was similar with better MPG. Seems to be biased as no context was provided for the 15...same with Andre's 17. Give some context guys.
Pro4x model comes with retractable tow mirrors. Why not get that one instead of complaining like there's no solution. Most of their data for the titan is bogus. I've been driving a 2017 titan for the last year!!
The Titan has been flawless as their longterm truck project. And you are right. Its now Nov 2018 and its proven all these dipshit posting have no idea what they are talking about. So you are right.
I'm impressed by how it hauled the 9000lbs up the hill. On the flip side, the Titan shifts like my former 2009 Dodge Hemi, which dropped 3 gears on full throttle input due to the software programming instead of giving me the gear I needed.
seems like the gear spacing between what im assuming is 2nd and 3rd is a little bit off where 2nd is too short and 3rd is too long to keep it at 60... how many upshifts/downshifts were there between those 2 gears. would also like to see more obd2 info like instantaneous fuel flow (G/h), calculated hp/tq
I think it got slowed down by the gearbox ratios. RPM gap was too big, the engine was powerful enough to accelerate past 60mpg but the next gear was 2000 rpm lower and there was not enough toque (naturally aspirated engine) to keep the speed.
I own a 2004 Titan...a truck which at that time was pretty innovative...and the 5.6 had all the other 1/2 ton trucks covered... time marches on. My truck now has about 160,000 miles and still runs great and tows great but all the other trucks passed it by IMO. Every top truck out there has at least 400 lb/ft of torque along with the interior may be be nice but I think the big 3 trucks have it covered. I'm old enough to laugh at "It's struggling to keep up"...It may be struggling to keep up with the other top contenders on the Ike, BUT towing 9,000 lbs up a 7% grade at altitude at 60 mph???....it wasn't so long ago when the 454 ruled the hills and it wasn't towing at that level! Waiting to see how the 2017 Raptor with it's 4.10 gear eats up the Ike...
My final thoughts. Although the Titan is a great truck in XD form Nissan should scrap the XD portion, throw in 8lug axles tune up the suspension and rebadge as a light weight HD with tow capacity of 16,000lbs. Not to compete with the domestics but an alternative with better ride and handling. Domestic buyers buy with the dicks hanging out and u have to market to that mentality
I don't know that the Ike is the toughest. Yeah you've got a serious lack of oxygen, and a decent grade, but no heat. The 87 from Phoenix to Payson is what GM used to use for many towing tests when their proving grounds were down in Mesa. Believe me, the heat in the summer adds a whole new dimension to towing on grades with a heavy trailer. El Cajon pass in CA is no slouch either in the summer. But, your tests are consistent which is nice.
Would love to see you guys come up north and drive the Coquihalla BC Hwy 5, specifically snowshed hill to compare it to Ike. Be interesting to see the comparison with an identical setup on both roads.
Just bought a 2017 Nissan Titan. Got it home and noticed the stamped channels on the roof of the cab, are seriously crinkled/dented. Nissan said this is the way they were designed and offered no refund/ fix. Other vehicles have a molding/weather striping. Look very carefully before you buy. Nissan will do nothing for you after you buy the truck.
I'd like to see when they compare the towing tests, acceleration pulls, and drag races against its competition. Like my 2017 Silverado 6.2 Midnight Edition LTZ for example,. I really doubt the Nissan would keep up with the 6.2 but would do great against the 5.3 or even the Ford 5.0 or 3.5 engines. Should be fun to watch either way. Stiff competition makes for better products overall so I look forward to the reviews.
By subjective I think they mean biased, why not give a reason for the low scores? No mention about the zero gravity seats? How bout where the truck was made which is Canton Missouri, yes American made for all U big 3 fan-boys. I recently purchased a 2017 pro-4x Titan and love it! I would say that the gas mileage is a negative though. Next time it would be nice for some feedback and not just some random scores thrown out for unspecified reasons. You can't beat the bumper to bumper 5yr 100,000 mile truck warranty either, best in America.
+Eric Smith thanks for the comment but in our experience the "zero gravity seats" are more marketing than reality unless of course you manage to tow on the moon😉
impressive all the other trucks Ford dodge Chevy did it in about 8 min with only 7000 nissan did it with 9000 and still got 8 min wonder if it had 7000.... Ford 5.0 should of did it fast than the nissan it weighs less and only 7000 when it went up, can't wait to see what the other trucks do with 9000 up
Jovanic Nieves They'll find a way to make the domestic brands look better like they always have, like they did with this new Titan, stepping on the gas 5 seconds after the start and letting off the gas 5 seconds before the finish line to get a slower time, hoping nobody will notice, there are many ways to cheat on these tests to make a truck look better than another
I would love to see you guys load up some base models for the Ike Gauntlet that would be interesting... maybe in the summer for the Extreme Ike Gauntlet?
The Ike Gauntlet is your best test! This might have been asked before, but are you guys gonna get your hands on a Tesla Model X and test it on the Ike Gauntlet?
The 7 speed transmission allows it to be effective. The time wasn't bad. I mean it was towing 9,000 lbs. I think Mr. Trucks reaction was super slow when they started the clock. Anyone else catch that LONG delay?
It's really become an issue with all the V8's being so high strung now days. They make good power and torque, but it's all high rpm. So you need close ratio gear boxes, instead of the wide ratio boxes they keep sticking in them. I'll be really curious to see how the ford/gm 10 speed transmission works out on their V8's.
YZBot I agree. The 10 speed should work wonders for the ford 5.0 and gm 5.3. More so than the gains with the ecoboost because the eco had such a broad flat torque curve
Jonathan Watts I can agree with you on the mpg. I live on the eastern shore and most of the people have the tundra and f150 and yes the tundra does get thirsty. I have been hearing that around here they are slowly turning towards the tundra for its resale. Durability and dependability. I have a 07 Ridgeline but am thinking of the tundra. The upgrade is larger gas tank and new transmission.
This seems like a nice truck, it's also destined to be a bit player in a big truck world. Nissan can do ok if they keep lots of $ on the hood. Combined numbers with the XD will struggle to exceed 85,000 units a year. Toyota is selling 118,000 Tundras a year with a 2007 drive train offering little in the way of incentives.
Yah tow mirrors as an option are a definitive must Nissan. Also you price on the Platinum is like 20k less than here in Ripoff Canada. When your done with the data, would be nice to see the data without going to the website, in a short video, side by side.
Because of traffic, they couldn't reach the finish line at a consistent speed. So they estimated what the time would have been if there was no traffic to block them.
Retired AF CE certainly not cheap. But inline with most of the other fully loaded half tons. Granted with how few they sell in comparison it probably wouldn't have hurt them to try to undercut a bit on price.
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didn't like to see it bounce between gears other than that it looks on paper as almost equal to a gm 5.3 or a ram 5.7 or 2016 f 150 5.0 when it comes to power. idk about 2017 cuz i think the 5.0 got a power bump it will be interesting how the other mid range trucks (like a 5.3 compare
A half ton truck with 1,340 capacity? That's too bad the truck weighs so much! My Colorado beats that! On that seven speed, what gear is that in at 6,000, when it up shifts and falls down to 4,000 rpm? That a big drop!
I wish TFL could get their hands on a 13 or 14 Titan and do a Mashup against the new one. Based on the way your last 2014 Titan performed on the IKE while overloaded, I believe its older 5.6, and 5 speed Auto might out perform the current 5.6 with it's 7 speed.
The older 5.6 made peak torque at 3400 rpm vs 4,000 for the new one. The old 5 speed also gear hunted much less. It’s not that I’m smoking anything. I just understand automobiles unlike you.
Steven Boss “Do I really look like a guy with a plan? You know what I am? I'm a dog chasing cars. I wouldn't know what to do with one if I caught it! You know, I just... *do* things.”
TFL i had no clue you were the only ones on this planet to do "world's toughest towing tests" please include that in your title next time because there clearly are towing tests in this world that would be much tougher, your title should read "TFL does the world's toughest towing tests"
I'm not trying to be rude but you're the first person I've seen that calls Toyota a foreign "truck". Just look at Honda. The Ridgeline is good for a lot of things but fails when going off road .... which makes a lot of people think it's not a real truck.
soaringtractor and yet Toyota and Nissan trucks are the only trucks reliable enough and trusted in the most inhospitable and harshest environments on this planet
I wouldn't bother. Him and Wildman just racist troll's that let their foolish racial hatred turn them into leftwing fanatics who car more about the brand name than whose building it. If they believe half the junk I've read from them (in other video's) they ain't to bright. If memory serves in a different video wildman even made the claim that if we ran the Asian companies out of the USA the big 3 would come back to America. Proving he knows nothing about economics.
That new 5.6L is great but that 7 speed is terrible makes that engine fall on its face between shifts. I'd take Ford or GM 6 speeds any day. This truck busted its ass like a 5.3l 6 speed GM. This is why Titan doesn't sell. This truck is just lacking in too many departments :/
The Titan is nice but it just can't compete with the competition. In 04' the Titan was innovative, it was an unreliable beast. Now it's just too far behind. Waited to upgrade my 07 Tundra but there's no to. And Toyota needs to update the Tundra for all their fanboys. I might just go back to the big 3. F150 is best selling because they're always innovating, always making their fans upgrade. Nissan and Toyota needs to learn
When people make extreme statements like this truck is trash or crap, it's usually because they are brand loyal and do not want to acknowledge the efforts of others. The truth is that this is a great truck, if it's not for you it's ok to be honest about it, but please don't try to stretch reality to massage your own egotistical biases.
Well put , you'll never get the brand loyalty out of people and I'm one ( Ford ). It is a nice looking truck but I'll always buy Ford . Make sense ? Not really . LOL
John Gage you can. was always a f150 guy but my dad was a ram guy. in 2010 he bought a 2010 ram 1500 slt full loaded. he gave it to me this year for school and instantly fell on love with it. but when I saw this truck at the auto show this year again I fell in love with this as well. and well know don't know what get
John Gage You'll waste time just buying Ford my Grandfathers 97 larait died at 335k and he got a 14'tundra and he loves it.
Steven Singleton well said Steven......well said
Thank you for that. It's so true.
I got an 09 and love it. While Nissan is not the best at anything, it is good at everything. While is not the most powerful truck, I towed another car on a trailer from PA to TN without a hiccup. Not the best MPG on the market but I still average around 15 on the highway. Its been very dependable with no issues at closing 100K miles, just change oils periodically. I am happy with my titan so far. I know is going to break soon or later but at least it went to the whole 6 years until paid off without even changing spark plugs. That's reliability in my book and that's what I want on a truck.
joyerios i don't know mine is an 04 and nothing has ever broken and left me stranded. super reliable. anything thats going last long enough that you know something is wrong. only 70,000 on mine though.
I also own an 04 with over 140,000 with no major problems.
I've got an 05 with 240000 miles on it. It's been phenomenal truck. I tow a 20ft bass boat at least twice a week on average and have had issues whatsoever. I average about 16 mpg empty and about 13 towing. I've got zero complaints. Definitely top two on my list for next truck. The only other truck I've really been considering is the F150.
Funny how I just watched U guys take a 6.2 litre Chevy up the same hill and with the same weight, and its performance was no better yet it shined! Then U took the same Chevy downhill and it had 3 more brake events, yet your subjective scores were better for the Chevy, the Titan is cheaper and has a better warranty, WTF?
I also noticed when someone has a valid point such as yourself tfl truck never replies back. 🤔
It’s called business the nature or business. When a channel grows to the lengths that TFL has money gets involved. Advertising and marketing dollars from the manufacturers come in to play. Happens in all media outlets. Car and driver motor trend truck trend etc. about MONEY. What you have to take away from TFL and other outlets as they’ve proved is in today’s market the margin and gap from truck to truck is VERY narrow. There is no bad truck today one is not better than the other. There’s a truck for everyone’s needs. Depends on yours an what you like as to what you buy. I like these new titans. I had a 2008 and a 2014 Pro-4x. They were stout but I could no longer swing 50-60 bucks every week in Gas. Their mpg was to horrible for my daily driving. I’ve also had a 05 and 06 Silverado 5.3. Great trucks and got a consistent 20 mpg highway and combined 16-17. I currently drive a 14’ Silverado. I love the new 5.3 and it’s power vs the cats eye gm 5.3. But I miss the seats the most in my 05 and 06 Silverado they were like lazy boy recliners! Swallowed ya up! It’s like my salesman said in reference to the titans since forever in 2004 forward they’ve been the best kept secret in the truck world! Sure they don’t sell the numbers of GM or Ford but they’re every bit as good a truck.
@@jew0182 Well said! Todd Grant point is very valid! 5.3 is one of the most fuel efficient v8's you can buy. I had 07 Yukon. Now I have 18 Titan. Fuel efficiency in the Titan (2nd Gen) is about same as Ford 5.0, Ram 5.7 and the GM 6.2. We got two of them in our Fleet up at work. The Ford is 16 and Ram is 15. These newer trucks are fantastic at towing. There nothing like older 1/2 tons. Pulling my 5000lb trailer is nothing for my Titan. That's above 5K ft. My old Yukon struggle but it worked. Just had to take it slow...
Just ignore TFL's opinions on everything. That's what I do.
@@jew0182 I took a new titan pro 4x for a test drive last winter, it didn't make it 10 miles and it puked out all the trans fluid and left my wife and I on the side of the hwy in -30C
4 dB quieter than Chevy 6.2L, finished 6 seconds FASTER up the IKE than Chevy while having a 7AT compared to Chevy's 8AT. Great job Nissan Titan!
I AM TIRED OF TRANSMISSION INITIALS EVERYWHERE!!!🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬😪😪😪😪
Now that's a beautiful truck. good job nissan!!. 👏
tommy hammond you should've said the truck style has changed being its designed to look similar to a F150 and it's numbers are impressive. I have to agree beautiful and truck in same sentence is something your girlfriend or wife would say unless she's more of a man then you 🤔
Kept hunting for a gear. It would hurt redline then shift down too low so it had to shift back up. That trans is not going to hold up to that weight
Odd that the tow mirrors aren't on the Platinum Reserve? The tow mirrors are part of the towing or utility packages on the SV, Pro 4X, & SL trims. Also... did I hear Mr. Truck correctly? "I'm disappointed in the performance. I like the engine and transmission". Why not more than 16 points? Was it the number of brake applications? The RPMs? Can you at least let us know what the negatives were? "Performance" is a pretty generic term, especially when you follow it up with saying you like the engine and trans.
He talks out his ass constantly.
that nissan sounds nice
I'd like to suggest that TFL includes the following information for each test: Ambient temperature (during uphill tests), max coolant temp, max trans fluid temp and max oil temp. It would be great if there was a list of this along with total test weight. These are great tests!
So overall results between the 2016 F150 5L GAS, 2016 Ram 5.7, 2016 Silverado 5.3 8/speed, and this, all towing 9,000 lbs:
2016 Ram 5.7: 9-Brake apps down hill, 7:44 uphill time, 3.0 MPG
2016 Silverado 5.3 8 speed, 10 Brake apps downhill, 8:08 uphill time, 3.2 MPG
2017 Titan 1500 5.6, 9 Brake apps downhill, 8.08 uphill and then adjusted to 8:12 to compensate for traffic??? Meaning you guys were going too fast or why was time added when usually adjusting for traffic means the time should've gotten quicker since the hwy would've been more congested?
2016 F150 5.0 GAS, fewest brake app, 8:14 uphill 3.8 MPG
A big difference is the shape of the trailer, Titan is pulling a box while the other 3 had a more aerodynamic trailer so that'll throw off the MPG reading on the Titan for the worse. Other than that, aside from the RAM, the Titan's performance is comparable to the Ford and Chevy's.
If the Maximum speed is supposed to be 60 any time under 8:00 should be impossible
Kirk Jacobson idk how exact the 8 min is for the control speed. You also have to take into consideration that there is additional time to accelerate to 60
Unless the "gauntlet" is less than 8 miles long it is mathematically impossible to get a time under 8 minutes without cheating and going faster than 60 MPH with some trucks. I understand they do their tests in the real world with a real person driving so this isn't a criticism of TFL. I'm just saying you should ignore times under 8 minutes and assume it was just an 8 minute run with generous acceleration.
When I come off the mountain with my Titan pulling my trailer loaded with snowmobiles I put the damn thing in the gear I want and never touch the brake....same on the way up. Why don't you guys do the same couse that's how you tow a trailer regardless what brand it is...did the same with my duramax as well.....come on guys learn how to tow a fricking trailer! Also, why didn't you just get the Titan with the tow mirrors! Think your just wanting something to bitch about...
the titan actually looks pretty good now, tbh.
Mr. Meowgi I actually like the 1st Gen better as for looks.
I prefer the 1st Gen... To each their own 😎
When you compare this truck to the Ford and Chevy it holds its own but yet it gets a 66 and the Ford gets 72 and Chevy 71?? Plus this truck ran a good time up the hill and had the least amount of your breakings down hill?? Come on TFL!! I love you guys but I do believe your scoring has got to change.
My two cents. If I needed to tow 9-10,000lbs up a mountain pass, I would not be buying a half ton - from any brand. I would be buying a diesel. For all the smack-talkers, keep in mind this test is pushing the Titan beyond it's limits, yet it still performed. This truck is perfectly capable for what it's intended.
Bingo! Couldn't have said it better myself. TFL is entertaining but take with a grain salt. I live in Rocky Mtn west I would never tow 9-10k with a half ton up here.
Thanks guys. Love your tests. I dont see how Ike is tougher than Davis- especially in the summer. Its an 11 mile climb and although not as high, the heat saps power and strains cooling systems where IKE always has much cooler air.
This won Truck Trends truck of the year for 2017.
TFL is pretty good. Just wish they'd be more realistic with the GM trucks they always test the 6.2l when 90% of GM trucks are equipped with the wimpy 5.3l
I don't understand why Mr. Truck gave a personal score of 15. This truck had less brake applications than the F150 and the time was similar with better MPG. Seems to be biased as no context was provided for the 15...same with Andre's 17. Give some context guys.
Because he’s on Ford’s knob.
Glad it hasn't lost that crackle and pop sound when you get on it.
Been waiting for this one. Thanks gentlemen.
+John You are welcome!
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE TOW EVERY FULL SIZE TRUCK WITH THE SAME WEIGHTED TRAILER.
+FordFoX4 That's the plan.
Pro4x model comes with retractable tow mirrors. Why not get that one instead of complaining like there's no solution. Most of their data for the titan is bogus. I've been driving a 2017 titan for the last year!!
The Titan has been flawless as their longterm truck project. And you are right. Its now Nov 2018 and its proven all these dipshit posting have no idea what they are talking about. So you are right.
I wish you guys would test that supercharged Toyota Tundra up the ike
Hey guys where is the new f250 6.2l? load it to the max and let's try it out!
but it's a half ton on the mirror complaints.. dang that sound...awesome though
h L true. Plus it has optional towing mirrors like all the half tons do.
I'm impressed by how it hauled the 9000lbs up the hill. On the flip side, the Titan shifts like my former 2009 Dodge Hemi, which dropped 3 gears on full throttle input due to the software programming instead of giving me the gear I needed.
seems like the gear spacing between what im assuming is 2nd and 3rd is a little bit off where 2nd is too short and 3rd is too long to keep it at 60... how many upshifts/downshifts were there between those 2 gears. would also like to see more obd2 info like instantaneous fuel flow (G/h), calculated hp/tq
On the next truck test videos could you put all of the times, mpg, and more in the description?
I think it got slowed down by the gearbox ratios. RPM gap was too big, the engine was powerful enough to accelerate past 60mpg but the next gear was 2000 rpm lower and there was not enough toque (naturally aspirated engine) to keep the speed.
I own a 2004 Titan...a truck which at that time was pretty innovative...and the 5.6 had all the other 1/2 ton trucks covered... time marches on. My truck now has about 160,000 miles and still runs great and tows great but all the other trucks passed it by IMO.
Every top truck out there has at least 400 lb/ft of torque along with the interior may be be nice but I think the big 3 trucks have it covered.
I'm old enough to laugh at "It's struggling to keep up"...It may be struggling to keep up with the other top contenders on the Ike, BUT towing 9,000 lbs up a 7% grade at altitude at 60 mph???....it wasn't so long ago when the 454 ruled the hills and it wasn't towing at that level!
Waiting to see how the 2017 Raptor with it's 4.10 gear eats up the Ike...
My final thoughts. Although the Titan is a great truck in XD form Nissan should scrap the XD portion, throw in 8lug axles tune up the suspension and rebadge as a light weight HD with tow capacity of 16,000lbs. Not to compete with the domestics but an alternative with better ride and handling. Domestic buyers buy with the dicks hanging out and u have to market to that mentality
Looks like it was trying its best. Good shifts and revs. Wind her out! Andre what was that app you were using?
another great video good job TFL! All of the trucks now a days are so close that it's a tough pick
The Ike is back!!!
+bdiekow Yes!
I don't know that the Ike is the toughest. Yeah you've got a serious lack of oxygen, and a decent grade, but no heat. The 87 from Phoenix to Payson is what GM used to use for many towing tests when their proving grounds were down in Mesa. Believe me, the heat in the summer adds a whole new dimension to towing on grades with a heavy trailer. El Cajon pass in CA is no slouch either in the summer. But, your tests are consistent which is nice.
this is what i’d love to see as well. living in the valley and climbing uphill during the summer season is brutal
F150 Coyote V8 is still the leader at 77
Would love to see you guys come up north and drive the Coquihalla BC Hwy 5, specifically snowshed hill to compare it to Ike. Be interesting to see the comparison with an identical setup on both roads.
May I suggest testing 3/4 ton and 1 ton trucks w/ class c (10,000 lbs) trailer for the casual person going camping?
I'm glad he recommends the tow mirrors for towing.
Yeah boi! I'm excited for these Ike Gauntlet tests!! I like the new titan but that performance was a little on the low side.
Just bought a 2017 Nissan Titan. Got it home and noticed the stamped
channels on the roof of the cab, are seriously crinkled/dented. Nissan
said this is the way they were designed and offered no refund/ fix.
Other vehicles have a molding/weather striping. Look very carefully
before you buy. Nissan will do nothing for you after you buy the truck.
I'd like to see when they compare the towing tests, acceleration pulls, and drag races against its competition. Like my 2017 Silverado 6.2 Midnight Edition LTZ for example,. I really doubt the Nissan would keep up with the 6.2 but would do great against the 5.3 or even the Ford 5.0 or 3.5 engines. Should be fun to watch either way. Stiff competition makes for better products overall so I look forward to the reviews.
By subjective I think they mean biased, why not give a reason for the low scores? No mention about the zero gravity seats? How bout where the truck was made which is Canton Missouri, yes American made for all U big 3 fan-boys. I recently purchased a 2017 pro-4x Titan and love it! I would say that the gas mileage is a negative though. Next time it would be nice for some feedback and not just some random scores thrown out for unspecified reasons. You can't beat the bumper to bumper 5yr 100,000 mile truck warranty either, best in America.
+Eric Smith thanks for the comment but in our experience the "zero gravity seats" are more marketing than reality unless of course you manage to tow on the moon😉
impressive all the other trucks Ford dodge Chevy did it in about 8 min with only 7000 nissan did it with 9000 and still got 8 min wonder if it had 7000.... Ford 5.0 should of did it fast than the nissan it weighs less and only 7000 when it went up, can't wait to see what the other trucks do with 9000 up
Jovanic Nieves They'll find a way to make the domestic brands look better like they always have, like they did with this new Titan, stepping on the gas 5 seconds after the start and letting off the gas 5 seconds before the finish line to get a slower time, hoping nobody will notice, there are many ways to cheat on these tests to make a truck look better than another
Jovanic Nieves. Not true! The domestic trucks all pulled 9000 lbs except the 2.7 Ecoboost!
I would love to see you guys load up some base models for the Ike Gauntlet that would be interesting... maybe in the summer for the Extreme Ike Gauntlet?
i love the ike challenge,cant wait tof 10speed f150
cheers guys,keep up the good work
+sahiel5 We do too.
So over all is it a good truck
Hey Andre and MrTruck, which one (titan or ram) would you choose in this particular comparison? Thanks
I would love to see all the midsize trucks pulling 5000 lbs at sea level to see which truck would be the fastest in the 1/4 mile
And a braking test. Would be cool to see
The Ike Gauntlet is your best test! This might have been asked before, but are you guys gonna get your hands on a Tesla Model X and test it on the Ike Gauntlet?
+Hoss Cartwright We would like to test the Model X towing.
Why u guys never mention axle ratio??
It's a 2.94
No wonder it dogged it!
The 7 speed transmission allows it to be effective. The time wasn't bad. I mean it was towing 9,000 lbs. I think Mr. Trucks reaction was super slow when they started the clock. Anyone else catch that LONG delay?
Anthony But yes I did.
+Matt Albers Sorry. The ratio is 2.937.
how do yall adjust for traffic with your timing ?
Ratio spread between 2nd and 3rd gear is too wide. 2nd gear was just too short while 3rd gear was just too tall. Disappointing from a 7 speed.
It's really become an issue with all the V8's being so high strung now days. They make good power and torque, but it's all high rpm. So you need close ratio gear boxes, instead of the wide ratio boxes they keep sticking in them. I'll be really curious to see how the ford/gm 10 speed transmission works out on their V8's.
YZBot I agree. The 10 speed should work wonders for the ford 5.0 and gm 5.3. More so than the gains with the ecoboost because the eco had such a broad flat torque curve
Is it necessary to not have a headrest in the middle back seat of a pickup?
I like the Titan but the sales numbers would suggest maybe they should of discontinued it and focused their efforts on the Frontier
JB TV With an increment of 235% in sales and a 5% of the market, Nissan is happy
Can we get an Ike for the Jeep Cherokee trailhawk?
I would like to know what happened to the Tundra? I was wanting one so bad but it doesn't seem to be winning anything. Why?
craigsclocks
ten year old design basically. just wait for the next gen
craigsclocks yeah next gen is coming with new power train/Transmission in 2018-19 time frame
+craigsclocks We tested a Tundra last year. The rumor is - the new tundra will be revealed at the Chicago auto show next month.
Only thing Toyota upgrades on there trucks is new paint colors they get the worst mpg and the least amount of technology
Jonathan Watts I can agree with you on the mpg. I live on the eastern shore and most of the people have the tundra and f150 and yes the tundra does get thirsty. I have been hearing that around here they are slowly turning towards the tundra for its resale. Durability and dependability. I have a 07 Ridgeline but am thinking of the tundra. The upgrade is larger gas tank and new transmission.
You guys make the best videos
This seems like a nice truck, it's also destined to be a bit player in a big truck world. Nissan can do ok if they keep lots of $ on the hood. Combined numbers with the XD will struggle to exceed 85,000 units a year. Toyota is selling 118,000 Tundras a year with a 2007 drive train offering little in the way of incentives.
I love my '05 Titan!!!
I found an hd for sale. Red cab long bed 4x4 with Cummings diesel. $44k. It had a huge rebate
hey TFLtruck any chance of getting a regular cab Titan?
+John Sotomayor Not yet, but we are trying.
Yah tow mirrors as an option are a definitive must Nissan. Also you price on the Platinum is like 20k less than here in Ripoff Canada. When your done with the data, would be nice to see the data without going to the website, in a short video, side by side.
my grandfather just bought a Nissan sv half ton it has tow mirrors from factory
It might seem too easy for the heavy duties, but how do they compare with the same payloads?
+kubtastic What might be too easy? We have lots of HD truck Ike Gauntlet videos.
have they done the 5.3L GM with the 8-sp?
What was the gross vehicle weight from the cat scale?
Can you guys do a matchup of best engine sound
Why was it adjusted (the uphill part) when it was 8 mins 8 secs to 8 mins 12 seconds? He said for traffic but I'm not quite understanding why
and he took 2 seconds to hit the gas
Because of traffic, they couldn't reach the finish line at a consistent speed. So they estimated what the time would have been if there was no traffic to block them.
@@djayt1215 if there was no traffic their time would be faster but they adjusted it to be a slower time
When are you going to take a titan with the 9 spd up this?
Awesome stuff!
Watching this for the 9,000th time.
Mr Truck should drive all the trucks, he keeps the pedal pegged haha, unlike the others who baby them.
+yardman0001 None of us baby it! It's all about keeping the 60 mph speed limit.
I wanna see the 2017 F250 4x4 single wheel vs 2017 Chevy 2500 4x4 diesel in IKE Gauntlet numbers. I see all the gas motors
$57,000 no thank you.
Retired AF CE certainly not cheap. But inline with most of the other fully loaded half tons. Granted with how few they sell in comparison it probably wouldn't have hurt them to try to undercut a bit on price.
i'd like a half ton crew 2wd available with decent options in the mid to high $30s. thats how they'd pull customers from ford or gm
if i were to get a new truck today, that would prob be my option. the 100k warranty is very attractive
Yet the price will continue to go up because people are stupid enough to pay those prices for them.
New truck prices are innnnnsane. I guess I'll be keeping my 2004 for a while...
Nice test. For the money you would be far better off with a base 3/4 ton regardless of gas or diesel.
do 2017 duramax please
+ñañaflen It's coming soon.
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didn't like to see it bounce between gears other than that it looks on paper as almost equal to a gm 5.3 or a ram 5.7 or 2016 f 150 5.0 when it comes to power. idk about 2017 cuz i think the 5.0 got a power bump it will be interesting how the other mid range trucks (like a 5.3 compare
why didn't you use the Cummins?
Can you please do a vid about what you guys want on the next generation of Jeep Wrangler? And rumors and confirmed details of the Jeep Truck?
why do the brake applications matter or what do they tell you about the truck?
+danmacmillan88 It measures the performance of the grade shifting capability of the transmission. The fewer brake applications the better.
I thought the titan had some big heavy frame under it? Why is the payload only at 1300 lbs?
1600
Don’t watch while on Ambien.
A half ton truck with 1,340 capacity? That's too bad the truck weighs so much! My Colorado beats that! On that seven speed, what gear is that in at 6,000, when it up shifts and falls down to 4,000 rpm? That a big drop!
K. R. V. Your Colorado always doesnt have a Dual cam monster v8
Your Colorado couldn’t pull that trailer out of the driveway
It's a big drop in RPM for sure, but remember it makes max torque at 4000rpm.
I would love to see this same test with the 2021 Titan SV (not XD).
There’s tow mirrors you can get with the Titan
TFL is being coy about the F150 ten speed video.
Whats the classic song they play at the beginning of all Ike Videos????
I wish TFL could get their hands on a 13 or 14 Titan and do a Mashup against the new one. Based on the way your last 2014 Titan performed on the IKE while overloaded, I believe its older 5.6, and 5 speed Auto might out perform the current 5.6 with it's 7 speed.
Whatever you're smokin I'd love some
The older 5.6 made peak torque at 3400 rpm vs 4,000 for the new one. The old 5 speed also gear hunted much less.
It’s not that I’m smoking anything. I just understand automobiles unlike you.
When's you will test the real pullers the gm duramax,??
What's the name of the OBD2 scanner tool you guys use? Is there a link to buy it?
+Jay Strese We use Blue Driver. Obd2 tool.
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Sorry TFL, this isn't even close to being the world's toughest towing test
+guy proulx of course it is. Who else is doing tougher test?
The Fast Lane Truck The internet trolls in thier virtual towing test.
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TFL i had no clue you were the only ones on this planet to do "world's toughest towing tests" please include that in your title next time because there clearly are towing tests in this world that would be much tougher, your title should read "TFL does the world's toughest towing tests"
Name somebody who does a tougher test.
The Nissan has the optional larger mirrors that extend out. Definitely not a fully loaded Nissan
How much did the Titan squat after being hooked up?
Guy Mooglie I think they said 2 inches in the video
thanks must have missed that....
+Guy Mooglie Two inches.
i like toyota best, but nissan always scores well
I'm not trying to be rude but you're the first person I've seen that calls Toyota a foreign "truck". Just look at Honda. The Ridgeline is good for a lot of things but fails when going off road .... which makes a lot of people think it's not a real truck.
soaringtractor and yet Toyota and Nissan trucks are the only trucks reliable enough and trusted in the most inhospitable and harshest environments on this planet
soaringtractor can you send a link about these rear differential problems?
I wouldn't bother. Him and Wildman just racist troll's that let their foolish racial hatred turn them into leftwing fanatics who car more about the brand name than whose building it. If they believe half the junk I've read from them (in other video's) they ain't to bright. If memory serves in a different video wildman even made the claim that if we ran the Asian companies out of the USA the big 3 would come back to America. Proving he knows nothing about economics.
That new 5.6L is great but that 7 speed is terrible makes that engine fall on its face between shifts. I'd take Ford or GM 6 speeds any day. This truck busted its ass like a 5.3l 6 speed GM. This is why Titan doesn't sell. This truck is just lacking in too many departments :/
The Titan is nice but it just can't compete with the competition. In 04' the Titan was innovative, it was an unreliable beast. Now it's just too far behind. Waited to upgrade my 07 Tundra but there's no to. And Toyota needs to update the Tundra for all their fanboys. I might just go back to the big 3. F150 is best selling because they're always innovating, always making their fans upgrade. Nissan and Toyota needs to learn
Any info on the OBD2 monitoring equipment???
+Mark S We use Blue Driver obd2 device.
I would like to buy one of them but sorry I have seen its crashtests no go...