2018 Ford F150 or Nissan Titan XD? Towing 11,000 lbs on the Super Ike!
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- ( www.cmtrailers.com ) 2018 Ford F150 or Nissan Titan XD? Towing 11,000 lbs on the Super Ike towing review. 3.5L EcoBoost vs. 5.6L gas V8.
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What I do like about the Titan over the Ford is that the Nissan has a 5 year 100k mile warranty.... bumper to bumper. 🤙🏼
Now thats a good deal.
I choose ford because they have proven themselves to me.
I feel as though they are better engineered and even the towing and tongue weights are higher than that of chevy and dodge.
Tell Toyota theyre on my watch list and tell Nissan that both they and Toyota and Honda all three need to make 1 ton trucks
My 2021 XD has a 8 year unlimited mile warranty,had to pay a extra $3000 but think it's well worth it! Awesome truck!
@@butchsanders5917 wow yeah that warranty is definitely worth.
The Titan XD handles the trailer. The opposite is true for the F150, trailer handles the F150. I owned many F150s and now I have a 2019 XD and love it
Manufactures are pushing half tons to their capability. This video proves that their towing limitations are over rated. Why push a vehicle to or beyond its max. Keep it under rated in its safe zone. Designed, engineered, tested and assembled right here in North America. Great job Nissan.
From a Japanese company that gets free land, tax abatement, etc. I suppose you think their profits don't go back to Tokyo? Yeahhh...great job. You built your junk here for free.
I'm sure their profits go back to Tokyo Jaime. But they do provide employment opportunities for us here unlike Ram, Chevy or certain f series trucks. Your brand loyal truck is built in Mexico!
It's still America..just North America*
People get mad when foreign companies buil business here that employ Americans, but you are ok with all the American companies building plants over seas giving us inferior products charging astronomical prices and taking those jobs over seas. Wake up people and pick the right battles.
So add a moon roof, a tool box, a tailgate step, and a passenger, and call it 8500 lbs max tow. We're in the twilight zone when making the truck lighter increases tow rating.
This video proved what Nissan has been saying all along, that they built the XD to be a much more stable towing platform even if 1/2 tons can boast equal/higher tow ratings.
The nissan is still a light weight truck compared to a 2500 and 3500. Neither of these trucks pulled this very well
James Avery how do you figure? I’m sure a traditional 3/4 ton would be more composed, but Ken and Andre had nothing but praise in this video for how the Titan XD handled that 11k load.
James Avery yeah you're right. But Nissan didn't call it a HAD truck, then there's the fact that it costs as much as one. If I was towing a lot, and regularly, I'd buy a 2500/250.
The engine was struggling bad in the nissan though. While it was more composed than the ford it's still not quite up to a 2500 weight truck. Bigger is better for pulling........ at least up to the point of practicality and what you can afford. Just plain safer.
James Avery well sure a 3/4 ton would likely be a bit better (though still debatable if it also had a gasser under the hood), but the Titan did fine. Just because the engine was revving out, doesn’t necessarily mean it’s struggling. I tow with my puny 2.7 Tacoma, and on grades like this I have to rev it like they did. It’s temperatures hold up just fine and I always have more speed in it if I wanted. So while it might not have been pleasurable to listen to the noises, or was as “effortless” as the Ford, it likely wasn’t too stressed at all.
Better to have a safe towing truck then a race truck.
I agree with TFL. I just bought the 2017 Titan XD Pro 4x gas and it tows my travel trailer so much better than my old 2015 F150 ecoboost
Mathew Watkins what’s the weight and length of your travel trailer? This is the dilemma I have, 3.5L Ecoboost or Titan XD? I’m looking at upgrading to a travel trailer with as much as 8 to 8.5k loaded and 33 ft long. Ecoboost has capacities and power, but concerned about its weight. Thanks for any tips from anyone!
drums4phun XD, simply for the reliability, frame and the suspension for that trailer of yours. Eventhough that eco is a rocket ship, it lacks the supporting components for towing. Towing occasionally it’s a tossup but towing 8K plus regularly??? XD all the way.
drums4phun : I own a 2017 titan xd crew cab with the diesel. I own a 32ft travel trailer. The younger weight is abnormally heavy at 834lb tongue weight. Trailer is about 7000 lbs dry with my water tanks full and all my gear plus a 400 pound four wheels in the bed I’m about total weight around 8000 lbs I can honestly say that my titan feels stable. No white knuckle driving. Plenty of power to spare but that is an advantage to diesel. Suspension feels safe and handles it well. Hope this helps
drums4phun I’d go with a titan xd diesel, we tow a keystone bullet 330bhs 7400 dry with a 2017 Nissan Armada 5.6. Definitely stable, just wish it had a little more torque like the diesel, and the titan diesel will weigh more then the armada so it’ll be even more stable then an armada.
Hows the truck treating you ?
The F150 is very impressive, towing 11k in a fully loaded 4x4 crew cab with ease. Both trucks did a good job, the titan only had 3:31 gears, so that probably hurt it.
Stability wise, 7k lbs of truck weight makes a huge difference. The newer models 2020+ have 4.08 rear diff ratio. Much better for towing along with the 9 speed transmission.
I've been waiting for this exact video for a long time 👍🏻
That mirror situation seemed like a tough one. Thanks for the review. That EcoBoost is impressive.
Gas Titan XD is the similar concept Ford did with the 1999 F250 on th F150 body. Basically was an F150 with the HD chassis, suspension and cooling. Chevy did the same with the 1500HD, although, the towing capacity for both trucks was not as desirable as the trucks today.
It's not all about speed when towing, the F150 will beat a Kenworth up the hill but does that mean it tows better then a Kenworth? I don't think so.
Not true, as I pass pickup trucks all the time going up grades in the KW at work with as much as 20k on the trailer. So its really a stupid comparison to pit a full size 18 wheeler against a half ton.
Andrew why are you putting a f-150 against a 18 wheeler? What does this have to do with the ford and the Nissan?
It means that the better towing vehicle is not necessarily the fastest. It's a combination of stability, comfort, confidence, and power.
Just because you pass a pickup does not mean you are faster lol. Most people don't run there pickups with their foot to the floor going up a grade.
Andrew The ford has the stability power and comfort (comfort is a big opinion to people so you might not think it’s comfortable) It can accelerate up the gauntlet with no problem. Have fun being passed by a f-150
id like to see a video comparing a 5.9 12 valve vs a 7.3 powerstroke on the super ike. lots of people still love the old trucks
No reason to do that, I had both in Colorado and the 5.9 was far superior in the elevation and hills. People don't realize that their states mountains aren't generally as high as flat ground in Colorado
Hell yeah! i love waking up to a new TFL Towing video! fantastic job guys
+Kernal Lockbit Glad you enjoy it!
I know for the test you guys stick with the same trailer, but something to think about with the XD is that you have the option of using a gooseneck trailer that could give the truck a significant advantage over others like the F150.
About time somebody did a test like this to illustrate that just because a TV commercial says you can that maybe you shouldn't
Good to know, thanks for the work guys!
The new titans are my favorite half ton trucks. Simple to fix, reliable
8:37 that looked like the simplest thing ive ever seen.....
In other words..a 3/4 or 1 ton is best for towing above 9000
Cesar Palmos
Unless it's a power wagon : (
IT'S OVER 9000!!!
Cesar Palmos with a big diesel..
Laing Daing Power Wagon is still rated to pull over 10,000 lbs, it's really only the squishy shocks that prevents it from pulling 14,000lbs like the regular 6.4 2500's. Keep your tongue weight down and you'll be fine.
In other words "3/4 ton" & "1/2 ton" is now meaningless. The Nissan a is a close match to my 2000 Chevy Silverado 2500 with the 6.0L and TFL says the Nissan is just a bit more than a half ton, not quite 3/4 ton.
Another awesome video, guys! The F150 seems like a great truck. I've traveled I-70 a million times, and your "Ike Gauntlet" section is brutal even without a trailer. Being from NJ, the loss of power up in Colorado vs. being home is *extremely noticeable* so honestly if I had to tow 11k LBS on the Ike, I'd want nothing other then a turbo diesel, proper gearing and amazing brakes.
Thanks
Great review and I like that you were truthful about the towing issues.
The turbo really helps at high elevation. That's why it was so much faster.
If I have said it once, I have said it a 100 times. *3/4 & 1-tons are for heavy-duty towing.*
1/2 tons are for lake boats
yes. but since the XD is in between, its superior to the F-150 in this test. Ill take slow and control to fast and scary any day.
Charles Thomson You missed his point.
Charles Thomson the ford is a generic unrefined piecs of Junk. They change the truck so often u can't keep up. So in four yrs u buy another pos. I've owned 3 and will never buy another Ford product again. Maybe was bad luck but I don't care. Btw brand loyalty is for suckers 😉
Charles Thomson here's your blue ribbon
My suggestion, don't tow anything more than 3/4 of rated towing capacity with a half ton. The F150 specifically is not a fun truck to tow with....soft suspension, and light weight body make it more like an suv to tow with. I am a Ford guy, but didn't want to go back to a Super Duty because they suck to drive daily. I bout a Titan XD with the 5/6, and I love it. I know I can tag a 9k lb 5th wheel on it, and be fine. 1600lb king pin limit, 2300lb payload, and drives like a half ton, tows like a 3/4 ton.
Great job TFL! This is one of my favorite videos you have made so far. I’d like to see a supercharger on that titan, but I know that’s a little far fetched.... yet that’s what Toyota did on the tundra!
Titans got a 9 speed now. I'd love to see a modern comparison.
I've owned my 2018 King Ranch for three weeks and just towed with it for the first time last week. 2 hour trip through the Smoky Mountains with a 6,000lb camper. The F-150 handled it great, super comfortable ride, blind spot monitor extends to the end of a camper, and I had very few brake events over a 3 mile 6% down hill. I thought the engine did a terrific job. I will agree though, that it had a little more bounce than I expected, but nothing crazy.
ckeegan003 I think if that is your typical trailer weight, you made a perfect choice. People often forget to include payload when towing and while some might say a 6k trailer is very light, if you have passengers or 1000lbs of cargo in the bed while you’re making those trips, it very much starts to push the limits like a much heavier trailer would by itself. Glad you are happy with your truck though. If it meets your needs and you are content, that’s really all that matters.
Lol 1/2 tons are built to impress bimbos who buy groceries. Your piece of shit truck is going to be dead in 3 years towing like that.
Generic Name what are you smoking? 6k is nothing for a properly equipped 1/2 ton. Heck I tow near 3500 with my puny 4 cylinder Tacoma without any issue. I suggest you educate yourself before commenting next time.
midsize trucks tow more than 6000 lbs
Damn new fangled crap trucks my old ford with a 351w pulls 2 hotdogs and a kitty cat faster than that. Haha ok I happen to have new pickups and have towed that heavy with the older pickups and the I'll take the new ones hands down stock for stock my wife's 17 f150 ecoboost has tons of quick snappy power and my 16 ram 2500 cummins loves towing. But if I was towing above 10k regular I would definitely use the diesel.
Great Job Guys. This was a really nice, fair and informative video.
This is the video that sold me on my Titan. For the price I paid for my truck (XD 4x4 gas crew cab SV) I couldn't get more owing capability for the money. Extremely happy with all the info i got on TFL, and the sales guy is now using the videos too.
Same story here my end...love me XD. A good compromise of towing and riding comfort.
Thumbs up because the video thumbnail had me cracking up. LoL. Great video too.
Tell Nissan to put at least a 38 gallon fuel tank instead of the 26. 26 is way to small! Keep up the good work guys!
You can buy an OE 50 gallon tank for the titans for about 1k
Same for the Chevy
Nice work guys!
It would be interesting to see the results on the other truck classes doing the super Ike with them.
Love the Titan - would buy it any day over Ford. But I’m pretty sure the 250 has the bigger chassis over the 150 and would be the more appropriate test against the xd. But then I would go with the diesel in the xd. That would be the real test for this load. The XD with diesel vs the 250 are what buyers who are towing that amount would look at
Turns out Nissan was exactly right: This is the XD's reason for being. Titan could have a little more normal styling. Tone it down. I think you lose a lot of people with these "Super Ike" vs. "Extreme Ike" and it seems like you just don't want to be consistent. Why makes you go super vs. extreme?
*Great video. This gives me a great insight on which vehicle is more geared towards my needs!*
I really appreciate this sort of intel. I do have 1 question though..What type was the octane level of these 2 trucks?
The scary thing is that the sort of person who'll buy a half-ton because he only tows once in a while *won't* have the kind of experience Kent does to keep that rig under control like he did on the downhill.
Great test; would love to see you test an F150 with the heavy duty payload package to make the comparison a bit more equal to the Titan XD. The 1/2 tons may have the power, but your test shows that the overall stability of towing a heavy trailer goes beyond the engine. Go for a 3/4 or 1 ton for heavy towing - especially in the mountains. Keep up the great tests.
David Hillbrand I think they said this F-150 did have the max towing package.
Edit - I now see that the HDPP is a unique trim and likely would be more appropriate for a comparison against the XD. But TFL gets what they get, so maybe in the future they'll happen upon one of those.
Alan Bowers the heavy payload package is different than the max trailer tow package.
at the dame time bring in the Titan with the Diesel and the 555 torque
David Stanley They tried but they couldn't get it to the hill without having to replace the engine. Leave it to Nissan to ruin Cummins' good name.
@@DavidStanleymusic up a2
Great video love these kind of comparisons
I believe you gave an impartial and fair assement of both trucks. Thanks. I personally own a 13 Ford F 150 FX4 with a 3.5L ecoboost and love my truck. I drove from birmingham Alabama to Disney world in Orlando Florida on a single tank of gas. Props to Ford for making an awesome power plant. Love the channel.
The stability, comfort and confidence is why i got the Titan XD. AND the price. Despite the huge sticker, the discounts are awesome. I hd diesel XD first but it became an issue due to short distance driving. Got a gas 5.6l XD and love it. It rides smooth. It wont win races but it is great for what it is designed for.
What was the diesel's problem?
I thought diesels were more reliable.
to reduce emissions, they added several emission components and those are weak points. Also diesel needs to work hard, drive long distances to burn off the soot from the emission components. If someone drives it short distances or without heavy loads, it simply will not be reliable.
@lukman8400
It seems the 5.6 is pretty solid and since it doesn't need DEF it should work fine for most of the hotshot work I'll do.
If the titan puts out 390/390 why wouldn't you pair up the new 2018 5.0 v8 at 395/400? They're both v8s and much closer matched
Because the ecoboost tows more and this is the Super Ike.
@@RickyLira
Everybody knows that the EcoBoost is going to out tow the titan hands down. They really need to put models together that have the same power not one having 80 ft lbs more torque. The test is biased they just want to show how great the ford EcoBoost is
Yet they both still chose the Nissan. Lol! Have all the power you want but if it does not feel safe towing get the hell out.
Stephen Hearn exactly. I wouldnt tow a 11000 trailer with a traditional f150 or any 1500 truck ever. The f150 might be able to get up to speed quicker, but once you get up to speed you won’t feel safe.
The F150 in the video did not have the optional heavy duty payload package. I wonder how that would effect the feel. Also, I wonder how a set of rear air bags on the F150 would change the feel. I do not like the Titan but in this case it did seem more composed with this much weight.
1.) Why is one a crew cab, and another an extended? That DOES affect the towing capacity, and cabin noise.
2.) Why is the F150 tested as a $60k package and the Titan is only at $46k?
Everyone is pointing out the chassis as being an unfair advantage for the Titan.. but my issue lies in the fact that that it is a $14k difference in packages..
Most people will spend very little time if any trailering up a grade this steep. The Titan will handle the load much more comfortably on an every day bases. If it takes an extra minute to get up the grade when I make the one trip up this grade next year so what, it still handles the load much better.
Andrew Ford makes F-250 to F-750 if you want to tow heavy, Nissan only the Titan XD..
Rexford nailed it... 11k lbs doesn't belong on any super duper uber extra hyper duty half ton.
Rexford didn't really nail anything. The XD was never meant to tow the same as a 250 or above.
D Jay T read the original comment..
Rexford L I read it, I don’t agree either.
The transmission on the Titan has horrible algorithms for shift points
Wow, I've been towing with the 5.6L gas version and really enjoy it...
First, thanks for putting the vehicle info in the description box. Second, I thought that the Titan XD had the Cummins in it and the 5.6L V8?
You can keep that 3.5 Eco Boost. It might put down good numbers but wait till it breaks. The repair cost on a twin turbo engine isn’t going to be cheap.
"What do you do when you have to tow 11000 lbs?" ....You get a diesel 3/4 ton if you have to do it more than a couple times. Sure these trucks did the big pull; so would my 5.4L 3v. But if you tow this kind of weight regularly, a diesel is a MUST. Better economy, superior torque, and will last longer doing this work. Good review guys; good comparison.
Your 5.4 Triton is a terrible tow engine by today's standards
You mean other than the frame, brakes, and axles.....it’s a half ton.
What's the wheelbase comparison? The F150 they tested with is only a short bed (5.5'). Does the F-150 have the heavy duty payload package? That's not the same thing has having a Class IV stock hitch, so just because it has the hitch doesn't mean it has the beefier springs, heavier frame, etc.
Can we see the 2018 Ford F150 2.7 vs 3.5 ecoboost from drag strip, unloaded to loaded and ike gauntlet?
Why didn't you get an F-150 with the max trailer tow package? It is rated for 12,200 and the rear suspension is much stiffer.
+Rob Steingruber We did. This F150 had max trailering package and a rating of 12,700 lbs.
How about the max payload package?
HDPP is only available on the 500a lariat and below not the higher end trims.
Matt Newsom the interior on that Titan doesn't exactly resemble a limo. They really are not fairly comparing the two trucks.
The Fast Lane Truck why not an HD equipped F150? That's the closest competition to the XD, the HD springs would have provided a better ride with that much tongue weight.
You guys need to get the Titan Cummings vs Ram Cummings..and the hemi 5.7 grand Cherokee vs Ram hemi 2018
Never heard of a "cummings", is it a new engine?
Its Cummins, not cummings. Its also not a Hemi.
Would be impossible.. Ram 3500 Dualie rated to tow over, 30,000 lbs, Nissan us a 1/2 ton..
No shit guys... is only that I had my key board auto check spelling and didn't put attention on it...
The Ram Cummins 6.7 L is a larger, more powerful engine than the Cummins 5.0 L in the Nissan. It wouldn't be a fair comparison.
Definitely a cool comparison video between two nice trucks. Not use to seeing Kent from Mr. Truck wearing a goatee sans stache, I am use to the full beard, but it's nice to switch it up. I am looking into getting a truck for my next vehicle so I enjoy watching these Ike videos along with all the others. More of a mid size truck customer and love the Chevy Colorados (sold them for 14 months), now I am not sure if I want to go regular Colorado Z71 or the ZR2 since I don't plan on towing more than a 20ft fiberglass boat sometime in the future when I can afford both.
As always great video
I understand you have to test what the mfg sends you. Ford did not send you a truck for an apples to apples test. They should have sent a F150 3.5 with max tow and max payload pkg with the 6.5" bed. (seven lug wheels) They have heavier springs LT tires and 3.73 ratio.
I would like to see a HD F150 3.5 (Max Payload and Max Tow) vs. the Nissan HD with the Cummins 5.0. and a F250 6.7 diesel vs. the Nissan Cummins 5.0
I have a 13 F150 3.5 6.5' bed and max tow. Timbren Load Boosters and Monroe Load Sping Shocks. Sometimes it seems like it can tow more that it has truck to be able to control the load. Personally I think the mfg are getting into dangerous territory with some of these tow ratings! To me the extra 12" in the wheel base matters! And the weight of the truck!
My next truck will be another f150 3.5 6.5' bed max tow. Or f250 6.7 but a little more truck than I need. But the Nissan XD 5.0 Cummins might be more what I need. But afraid of the resale of the Nissan.
So.. the Titan was built basically as an HD truck and the made it a 1/2 ton truck... ok Ford take the f250 and throw an f150 badge on it
how not to game ...its a "lets try a one size fits all" truck cause we CANT build lots models. Sorry. Ford destroys this truck w/an Ecoboost gas or Powerstroke diesel. #F150
David Klimmek You can't get a 5.0 Cummins in an F150 though.
how not to game I don’t think it’s a “one size fits all truck”, it’s a, “I need a half ton 80% of the time, and occasionally pull a trailer and would like a heavier frame/larger payload, but can’t justify the expense of a heavy duty truck” they still make the Titan for 1/2 ton owners, the XD just has a beefier frame and maybe bigger brakes (I haven’t checked)
Waa xd is 1/2 ton my titan blows doors off fords and chevys bunch cry babies and looks better then a square slug
Dave R well that’s good for you. I have a paper trail to prove my titan XD diesel was so bad it got lemonade out and Nissan North America picked it up last Tuesday. My 98 Dodge diesel straight six kills it and we just bought a 2018 Ford F-150 5.0 v8 and it slays the titan.
I'm surprised, after how many Ike Gauntlets TFL does, that the weigh scale people don't remember them. They're regulars.
Can I ask why you didn't include the 2018 GMC Sierra Crew Cab 1500 with the Heavy-Duty Trailering Pkg?
Maybe because GM hasn't given them one to use.
Isn't the XD essentially a 2500 chassis? so apples to apples would be an f-250 with a 6.2L. Plus the XD sounded like she was going to throw a rod through the hood.
duplessis2006 dude they explained That! And it's been discussed for years on the net! Nissan xd is a 5/8 ton. That's what they wanted... there is no apples to apples comparison
I would be interested in that match up, but that's still not apples to apples. Apples to apples would be dollar for dollar in my opinion, since that is how we really choose our vehicles. we buy the nicest vehicle that will fit our budget and get the job done. In this comparison the Ford with a $14,000 higher price should have had a huge advantage.
John G it's a tow test. They didn't say anything about comfort of ride or seats or interior... base trim or top of the line all tow the same. So your request for the same price truck is nuts
duplessis2006 TFL tested a 6.2 2017 F250 and it blew a radiator before the test even began.
The f250 is almost identical in weight, and price but has more capacity and power than the titan xd. The xd is supposed to be a half ton with close to 3/4 ton abilities but yet it compares in size and price to a 3/4 ton.
I'm not sure why you would choose a half ton for a tow truck, other than for light duty applications. For the way I use my truck which is the way most people do (I think) for transportation and the occasional haul/tow requirement, I think the 2.7 is the way I'm going.....seems to be the best for power/economy right now anyway. I test drove a 2.7 It really is surprising, and know several people that have them....nothing but good reviews.
It is going to be interesting in 10 years to see how well these boosted Fords hold up. I kinda have my doubts, but maybe Ford really figured it out recently. Just not sure I want to be their Guinea Pig.
grizz474 because TFL never chooses trucks that test equally. It’s entertainment not informational.
I have both a 2.7 f150 and a 6.7 f350 dually. I would never pull 11k with the 2.7; I would never get the mpg or the speed or the comfort of the f150 with the dually... They each have their purpose. Small sub 20 ft camper, f150 all the way. 40 ft toy hauler, dually diesel. People pulling 11k with a half ton anything are crazy...
"actual truck engine" talk about the need to feel tough
My 2.7 supercrew is rated at 7600 lbs trailer with just the base tow package. Don't know where you get 5k from. get your facts straight.
What do I tow 11k with? Easy my 2000 Chevy Silverado 2500, 6.0L Vortec.
Also 3.36 gear ratio is terrible gearing in my opinion.
Remember that your 2000 Chevy only has a 4 speed Auto. The Titan has a 7 speed so the lower initial gears in the trans allow it to work with a 3.36 axle.
My question is, is the f-150 spect out for towing? Because if it wasn’t then it would handle differently
Whew whoo! Go Nissan Titan, the Underdog Truck!
They get no love!
The Nissan had a V8 going up against the F-150 with the Eco boost 6 cylinder. Ford has several options in the 6 cylinder and V8 for the F-150. They could have used the 6 cylinder Nissan against the 6 cylinder Ford or the V8 Ford against the V8 Nissan for a better comparison. So if u feel that Nissan did better with an outmatched frame and motor than the Ford they used, than ur not a very smart truck consumer. If u put that Nissan against my F-250 diesel, I’d drag it up and down the road while pulling that trailer.
+Ben Vasilinda you do know there isn't a V6 for the Titan? Also, Ford likes to push their Eco-Boost into the spotlight so probably why they were handed that instead of a V8.
diamondheat9 😂😂 if their eco-boost is so good. I'll find a Honda V8 V-tec engine in my truck. Let's see it compete.
Ford sent the best F150 available. Yes it is faster but it is to light to tow that load safely. It cost way more and you could add aftermarket parts to make it safer but then you would be close to 60,000 dollars to do what that 45,000 dollar Nissan just did. They both averaged 3 mpg towing that load and the EcoBoost is supposed to be the fuel efficient engine. I still say why put two turbos on a V6 just to make it do the job that a V8 is designed to do?
So, get the F-150, and put some air bags on it. When not towing, you still have the better truck, and then when towing, you have a truck that handles the weight with all that extra power.
Thats what I did on my 2015 f150 with the 3.5 ecoboost. I tow a 2014 jayco octane toy hauler and it ways 9600lbs loaded down.
Not! watch it again.
Stuka87 better truck the Ford is a complete pos
The cost difference is just a trim level thing. You can easily option up the Nissan or option down the F-150. You can get both in bare bones or it super platinum editions.
Stuka87 And don't forget the amazing Ecoboom engine..😨
Don’t know how much u like the ford new front end. Maybe it will grow on me haha. Great video
So, we have to know our main purpose for buying the truck, mostly towing or, most driving. Or to put this another way, trailer or no trailer?
Then it get's down to the nitty gritty do you WANT or Ford or a Nissan? Choices, choices!
Man I can't wait for the Warrior! I hope it's a BEAST like the Raptor
So a follow up from my 2 month old comment. I bought a 2018 Titan XD 5.6L SL 4x4 with 8K miles on it a month ago. Really nice truck, and tows my 28' travel trailer SO much better than my previous Titan. Longer wheelbase, heavier frame, bigger brakes and rear axle contributing to much higher payload capacity just makes this machine a better 1/2 ton towing platform, but it still drives comfortably unloaded. Twin turbos cranking out super torque? Nope, but a really stable (read safer) towing platform. I love the truck. Thanks TFLT, this video helped to convince me! BTW, find one a year or two old with very low mileage and save 1/3 the cost. Just sayin'.
Here in north Texas, Titans drop
In value hard the first 4 years of their life. It’s unfortunate because I believe they are damn good trucks. People just don’t purchase them here so the resale value isn’t strong like a Tundra. Anywho, save some cash and buy a good used Titan.
Up here in the north the fact that you can put an 8' plow on the titan makes it a lot more appealing also.
You guys go over the cat scales and it would be nice to know the GVW of the truck and trailer. I wanna know how it compares to my truck trailer combo but my truck weighs 8k lbs.
Wow fords light!
Yes, and 23+ mpg if driven in an adult manner.
That test went exactly how I thought it would. Nissan has the beefier chassis but the Ford has the more powerful engine. It’s really too bad that Titan is so ugly though.
looks bland keep trying nissan
Noah Dahl racist
mrjoeyb lol!
It looks like a great value f150
Noah Dahl looks aside it beats the shit out a the comp in certain areas, plus also the new 2018 Ford is fug
This show always puts a smile on my face
I think you should start showing some other critical details of the truck setup on your videos. The tire ratings. Load range specifically. Fords towing quality went way down when they switched to load range C tires. That said I had to air the rear tires up to almost max rated pressure, when I did the towing experience was much better. It's just such a huge factor though - load range and tire psi..
You guys have very good videos . Very informative. Just some helpful information would be around reliability. I know you don't want to go there and its a dangerous area for the type of show you do, but, in this case might be helpful to future buyers. In full disclosure I do not own have have never own any brand (Nissan, Ford, Toyota, Ram, GM, etc.) of pickup truck. I am in the market and have been doing research for a while. It is clear that there are major issues with the Titan XD. In reading forums and the Titan XD Facebook sites there are really horrible issues with both the gas and diesel Titan XD. I really like what the XD has to offer but utterly scared from even going anywhere close to purchasing one based on the stories I hear. These stories are often unresolved by the Dealer or the Dealer is often buying back the truck. You all should make note of this sometime in your reviews. I do not see these sort of things with the Ford, Ram, GM sources.
Nick Gibietis Is this why Nissan offers that extremely long bumper to bumper warranty? They are like Hyundai of 20 years ago, trying to gain market share from a nearly impossible crowd of domestics.
True, but Hyundai eventually improved their quality, now they make pretty nice cars. Nissan makes good cars and the 1st Titan was a fairly decent starting point, but they never took the time to fix what was wrong with it in the first place before making this clusterfuck of a truck they have now. Nissan had an idea and fumbled it from the start. Now they're committed to this piece of shit and no one wants it.
Nick Gibietis keep in mind this is the first generation of this new truck and there are bound to be issues with it and the new head of nissans truck department in the us has made it clear he does not intend to let this truck die out like the old one and some advices to u stay away from the first and second year productions of new trucks as they are bound to have issues in any brand your looking at give it a few years then buy one
Clift notes: pulling 10k lbs. titan has better suspension, engine is weak, constant upshift and downshifts. F150 has soft suspension and the ecoboost breezes up at mostly half throttle. Nissan fanboys brag the slower titan won because it has a better ride when towing. Ford fanboys don't care because their trucks have more power, better mileage and comfortable ride.
They both finished at 3mpg towing that load.
Clint Mullins The engine is not weak lol , it pulls better then 3.5 on a heavy load 10k plus. I’m a ford fan , The Titan is however a slow truck. It’s not anywhere near the performance, drive of the ecoboost motors. I just have a hard time with the titan XD , when you can buy a 3/4 ton that does everything better for not a lot more.
I had a 2015 f150 2.7 ecoboast. It was a great truck. But when it came to towing it was fine other then the truck is so light the trailer pushes you all over the road and unfortunately that made me get a different truck because I’m always towing a camper
Do you guys keep an eye on transmission temperatures? If so what are they?
Ok all you Nissan and Ford fans. I have BOTH of these trucks. And yes, they are both great but......The Titan out performs the Ford when towing. I tow a 36' 5th wheel and the Titan feels rock solid and St times its easy to forget the trailer is even behind it . The Ford has plenty of power but, you can feel the trailer and, it's a two handed , hang on for your life. The Titan weighs in at 8,245. lbs and the Ford weighs in at 5,687. The Titan just feels better, rides smoother and brakes better. Love the Ford but I wonder how it will be with 100,000. miles . Yes, I keep trucks up to 150,000. miles. Side note....sold my 2010 Tundra and bought the Titan. Paid 41,000 for the tundra sr5. Towed a 5th wheel with it. Tons of power....average mpg 6! Sold it with 169,000. miles on the odometer. The ONLY issue I ever had was a 1 burnt out tail light! When I traded it in I owned it. Nissan gave me $26,000. . I hope the Ford and the Nissan can perform as long as the Toyota did with no issues. One last thing...The Toyota sold the same day I traded it. Sold for $31,000.!!! The guy who bought it loves it. Good luck.
Pics or it didn't happen.
@Elliott Feaster...lol...exactly
Why did you sell the tundra?
So who's the idiot that bought a 169k mile truck for 31k?? I'll sell him a vehicle RIGHT NOW
I wanna see ecoboost after 100000 miles :)
190000. 2012 eco. Still rocking. Still eating Chevy. 0 issues.
There's a UA-cam video of a guy with a. 2011 with 500K on his Ecoboost! 100K..if maintained well, has LOTS of life in it to go around the clock a couple or three times.
I got a 15 with 167k miles no issues
Look around, they are everywhere.
Last year, I was shopping for a new 3/4 ton truck and I test drove many trucks from Ford, Chevy, Ram and Nissan. None of the Nissan Titan XDs, neither the gas nor the diesel version, had a payload capacity of 2590 lbs as stated in this video. All of the payload stickers in the door jam were below 2000 lbs. The diesel version XD was, sadly, around 1500 lbs. My previous truck, a 2010 Titan 1/2 ton, was better than that at 1900 lbs.
Ok, I have a 2017 Nissan Titan Platinum Reserve 2WD (lighter so a little bit higher capacity), this is actually a practical test best my family owns a winery and we need to tow bulk wine in those cubes. We are thinking about a 16-20ft flatbed open trainer, deck over the axels. In total it would weight about 9,000lbs (including trailer). It wouldn’t be towed very often with that amount of weight. Possibly 1-2 times a year loaded like that, otherwise just a useful trailer. Would this be alright?
why no 5.0 V8 TFL ??!!
mohammadkwt 5.0 v8 = FAILED
Because the 3.5 is the "bigger" motor torque wise.
James Avery why would you need to turbo a 5.0 when the TT3.5 is putting out 470 ft lb? Did you not watch the video? The Ford beat the Titan by a solid minute.
ckeegan003 because if you put a turbo on the 5.0 they could shoot for 2 minutes faster
the 5.0 gets its ass handed to it by the endurance 5.6
I love how you guys always talk about how great the eco boost is but never talk about how it’s a throw away truck it’s basically for yuppies who keep it for 5 years. They will all be soda cans in ten years when they blow up.
What was the sound decibel in both of the trucks cabin? The Ford did sound quieter
Good job guys!!
Titan is the best
It's these guys' job to illustrate & dramatize every last detail. Yeah, the bigger and heavier truck will be more stable with weight on the back (no sh*t). The fact remains the smaller & lighter truck with an engine nearly half the size makes an ass out of that big V8.
So many people either can't or refuse to come to terms with the fact a little V6 beats all the V8s. And yes, I'm sure it outpulls the 5.0 as well.
Daniel Heller sure the Ecoboost was far and away the superior engine up the hill, but you also have to consider that truck owners on average own their vehicles for much longer than car or SUVs. While the EB seems to be just as reliable as everything else on the market so far, nothing lasts forever. And when something does go wrong, will the additional complexity of the twin turbo setup prove to be financially problematic to its owner versus a more traditional and simple NA V8? I’m not sure really, but I know if it were my money, and I absolutely didn’t need that extra performance, I’d probably go with the V8.
This was a good watch. I would like to see the ford F-150 5.0 vs Titan gas next!
So what happened to the comparison between the ZR2 and Wrangler we were promised to come out some time in Oct?
You're right. If you tow big once in a blue moon, do the Ford. If this is going to be a regular thing, use the Nissan.
Great test, guys.
Nissan TitanWarrior if you are going to tow heavy often you would be way better off to buy a Ford Super Duty, Chevy or Ram 2500. Stay away from light duty 1500s. Normal everyday stuff go with the F-150 for the fast fun factor.
Patrick OHarold really depends on a few factors. That particular trailer, yes I might seriously consider a 3/4 ton if it was a regular occurrence. A 11k flatbed type trailer, and I might be more okay with something like the XD. Something in the 8-9k range and I’d likely start considering leaning more towards a traditional 1/2 ton. But so many factors go into towing that it’s very difficult to choose one “best”. Great test by the TFL team though. I was surprised by the powerful Ecoboost as well as their comments on its handling of the heavy load. I would have thought it to do better with the WD hitch but just proof that you can really overcome physics.
Alan Bowers I agree sir.
No. Not a single person that really uses their trucks for work uses an F150 or Titan. People that really use their trucks for work have HDs.
Ford for me and if they would have used the equalizer/stabilizer hitch the Ford would have been fine.
Super ike brought to you by Amish Mr truck lol
I would like to see you guys do some tow videos with non-WD hitch loads.
It's tough to find specs on the Nissan (which will kill its fleet sales) but from what I can gather, its literally a 3/4 ton with smal rear spring pack and a semi floating axle (although it competes with Dana 60/ Ford 9.75). Also note: the base curb weight of an F-250 supercab 6.75' bed 4x4 6.2L is 6370lbs, right on par with the XD. The F-150 has a ludicrous number of options that can greatly change its axle ratings and gvwr. How was the truck you tested packaged? The F-150 supercrew w/3.5 is available in two different axle types (8.8 and 9.75HD) multiple ratios, two different chassis wall thicknesses (.087 and .1 in) and aux trans coolers. You need the Max tow package (only available on the 3.5) to get the beefed up rear end. That package isn't available on the Limited. Which I reiterate, how was the F-150 that you tested packaged?
I really like the look of the Titan, very sharp truck. Great work guys!
It is a sharp truck. But, seeing as it's nearly a carbon copy of the last generation F150, can't say they did any real work.
That truck they had was pretty ugly actually. Maybe it'd help with a full size cab but it's just so bleh.
S. Central Keystone japmobile
Charles Thomson Your probably the type of dude to find out it’s your cousin and still hit it
S. Central Keystone actually it's ugly af and it's a Nissan so it already lost
jesus christ that titan has a wonky geared trans...wahhh WHAHHHHHHH wahhh WAHHHHHH its shifting from like 3k to reline every 5 seconds lmao
a dope trailer is no place for a kitty
His hands were on the wheel and the truck was upshifting and downshifting. The truck doesn't have the power it needs.
That's because the V8 in the Titan doesn't make good low end Torque like the Ecoboost AND since the Titan has no forced induction (turbo) it looses power as you gain altitude due to loss of air density.
The more you climb a grade the more difference in power between a turbo and not turbo engine as the turbo engine will still put out near full torque.
The Titan probably loses 50 Ft Lbs by time it gets to the top of the mountain if not more.
Our small SUV with the little 1.6 zrcoboost has a bit more lag from a dead stop up in the higher elevations but it still makes full power and it absolutely FLIES around the non turbo bigger engine cars and SUV's at that point.
samsquantch14 it's the rear end. Nissan only offers one rear end a 3.36. Should be a 3.73 give or take.
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Nathan, you said "Other than the frame, it's a half-ton." Is the XD not recirculating ball?
And bigger brakes, driveshaft, sway bars, cooling system, air intake, etc, etc. They are actually quite different than the regular Titan.
Tfl in case you didn't know you can manually shift the ford too. And you can also lock any gear you want and it will not switch a gear just by giving it throttle no matter how much you tow, but it'll downshift if you're slowing 2