Hikers Should NEVER Do These 5 Things
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- Опубліковано 8 лис 2023
- Are there really rules when it comes to hiking?!
We are all about everyone getting the most out of their hike in whatever way feels best to them, so it's rare that we have much to say about the way that other people do their hikes. HOWEVER, there are five rules of the hiking trail that we always try to abide by because we think these are the most crucial elements to making sure other hikers get to enjoy their adventure as much as possible. These are the 5 hiking etiquette tips that we personally feel are the most important, but we're sure there are some we missed. We're definitely not perfect, but when it comes to a day out on the hiking trails, we really do our best to live by these hiking rules!
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Great list. Might I add NEVER let your dog off a leash. Had so many negative encounters with people's dogs on trails, even though it's clearly posted 'dogs on leash'.
Actually that's a great point. Elise once got really scared by a big dog that came up and barked and growled at her, with no owner in sight. After about 30 seconds of that, in the distance she heard the owner shout "he's friendly," but that barking and growling did not look friendly! ❤️
@@LiveHardxLoveHard I was once trail running, and came around a bend and there was a dog barking ferociously at me. The owners were like "you surprised him by coming around the bend so fast" like I knew there would be a dog there. (with my x-ray vision)......it seems like only people with ferocious dogs let them off leash.....
@@ieatbroccoliforlunch So scary! It's the ferocious barking that gets me too, especially when the owner's not in sight! --E
@@LiveHardxLoveHardyeah, I had a similar experience. I had a dog get aggressive with me because it didn't like my trekking poles. Turned out it was a recent rescue and the owners were so nice and apologetic, but it's definitely not a good idea to have them off leash especially on busier trails.
So true! Coming upon an unleashed dog is always startling! Usually owners say “he’s friendly” but it doesnt matter, I always stop and walk by them, running at their owner seems like a pup trigger!
Great list! Thanks for this. I think you covered the important points of etiquette. Some others that come to mind from my own experiences hiking with others:
- Don't show up in brand new boots that aren't broken in.
- Don't be late to the trailhead
- Don't leave a slow/new hiker behind, pausing to let them catch up later and then immediately take off when they reach you.
- Don't take shortcuts off trail.
These are really good additions, and we def should have added the one about new gear -- boots especially, but really any essential gear should be broken in and tested before a tough adventure. We've both learned that one the hard way before! ❤️
omg the pausing then yet still taking off when they arrive is horrendous!
@@julialumina1615 oh yeah, it's just the worst. The slowest hiker in the group should set the pace and say when they're ready to continue after a break
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You guys are so kind to us viewers. You put up with jealous commenting haters, clueless noise hikers, poop on the trail and the occasional herds of never say Yield newbies. 😵💫 And you shield us from all of it on your amazing sojourns. Best hosts ever 🏅
Haha thanks Jason -- and as you know we've learned a lot of these rules the hard way by making the mistakes ourselves, especially with not bringing enough water and not having the right beta! Very glad to share our mistakes so you guys hopefully don't have to make them! ❤️
@@LiveHardxLoveHard so true... And I learned early... the hard way... because as a freshman in college one guy who said he was experienced with his family.. talked a few of to climb all the way up to Palisades glacier and stay there for a week. Bring just canned food and a big watermelon. Each pack must have been 90 lb. 🥴🥴 I had sense enough to bring two big canteens. Ha !!
@@jasonpacific5661 OMG that's a fantastic story! Love hearing that kind of stuff! ❤
Excellent list of things to not do! I am a trail maintainer with over 2500 volunteer hours working on trails and we are al about trail sustainability. Stay on the designated trail when ever possible. Don't create shortcuts or social trails. Hike on the high side of the trail bed. This helps with erosion and reduces trail creep. Please don't cut the switchbacks. Hope y'all get better soon!
Thanks Victor, and thanks especially for all of that amazing hard work so the rest of us can have joy on all these amazing trails! That's good information about the high side -- it makes a lot of sense but we never knew that. We'll make sure to do that in the future! ❤️
Things I have learned on this channel and from the hiking guy. 1. Download the map and switch to airplane mode before the trail starts for navigation offline. 2. Prepare the entire day. Watch videos of the hike, read trail reviews on All-Trails, look at 3D maps and look for recognizable markers on the trail, know the weather, wildlife. 3. Checklist for clothes, gear, water, electrolytes, snacks, first aid, etc. 4. Always get there early. 5. Let 3 people know where I am hiking. 6. Stay on the trail. 7. Enjoy the adventure, take pictures and videos. 8. Leave no trace.
Nice list, Patrick -- letting 3 people know is a lot, but more is definitely better if you can do it, especially on dicier adventures! ❤️
Thank you for mentioning rule 2 right of way. It’s amazing how many people don’t even think about it.
Thanks yes, we agree. Not everyone knows that rule, especially new hikers, but if we all spread the word it will make hiking on single track trails way more pleasant for everyone! ❤️
Great tips! Had a hiking trip last spring where I was the only one out of 12 experienced hikers to bring a filter and it was a godsend. A good filter costs $25 and takes up no space in your pack. I always throw one in, even for short hikes.
Once went off trail to pee and dropped my pack with phone in it at the trail before heading off into the bush. I finished, turned around and couldn't remember which direction the trail was. It took a surprisingly long time to find it trail again and when I did, I hiked the wrong direction for 1/4 mile before turning around to find my pack. If I'd just grabbed my phone I could've easily navigated back and saved myself 15 minutes of searching around and even potentially getting lost. If you go off-trail even 50 yards, take a navigation device, pick out landmarks to guide you back, and turn around often to make sure you know your return route.
One thing I'd add is don't create extra ducks aka cairns. Cairns are a broken-window phenomenon. If someone makes one, you start to see more and more until there's one every 10 yards. Sometimes they're really helpful for marking an obscure turn, but generally if that's the case, they're already there and you don't need to make a new one. Cairns are a trace too!
Oh my gosh Matt, that's such a good point. We've been led astray SO many times by cairns. A couple of times I honestly wondered if people were just trolling with them! Like you say, it can be great if there's an obscure turn and one really nice big cairn there, but so often the "home-made" ones just make things more confusing. ❤️
Nailed it! Music and oblivious downhill hikers are my biggest peeves. That said, I think it's also polite to give downhill runners some room--they are usually super appreciative and obviously in a bigger hurry than we (fast) walkers are (and pretty rare anyway). One thing I learned the hard way--dogs need way more water than people so if you are on a dry hike with a dog, plan accordingly (or just leave the dog home). I'm up in the PNW but spend a lot of time in the eastern Sierra (3X Whitney, JMT, etc) and I love watching your channel for good suggestions when I head south. Just added Kearsarge to my alltrails and looking forward to Cactus-to-Clouds too (but definitely taking the shuttle after seeing your ordeal).
Steve that is so great to hear! You won't regret Kearsarge, that's for sure, and pretty sure you'll love C2C as well with the tram down. It's still a really long hard day, but MUCH better than hiking down the last 8000. Please let us know how you like both after you do them! ❤️
These were great thank you for this. As a trail runner who is in the mountains a lot I have to disagree with the noise and talking pollution only because I'm in the heart of Grizzly country. In fact, I'm usually only an hour away from where those two hikers were killed a month or two back in Banff. I love when people are yelling, blasting music etc. I'm all about the sounds of nature but my rule is, if all I can hear are the sounds of nature, that's all the bear hears too:) I totally get what you are saying but there is no world where I'm surprising a 1000LB grizzly and her two cubs. The other one is the filter - IMO it should be mandatory to go into any backwoods with a filter. If a person can afford to get equipped with even the minimum equipment to hike in the back country and then get to the trail head, they can afford a $40 filter. Must have no matter what! Oh and last one - GPX is great but like you said also, you MUST have a printed map and compass. Take 30 second, hit print and then buy a $25 (good) compass. You can't fall and break a piece of paper:) As a trail runner the part about scaring people hit home as that happens to me every day even in the city. I will even yell "Coming up on your left" and then they give me the stink eye when I scare them....every time. Again, great video - thanks.
Thanks very much, and good suggestions. That's a fair point about the bears, and it must be much scarier to run into grizzlies than our relatively mellow black bears! ❤️
Love them all. Particularly #1. Music or unneeded noise kills me! I start scanning for jagged pieces of granite as I imagine the peaceful quiet after one swift swing. Ha! Solid list. 😃
One of the best comments of the day 😂 we’re stuck in traffic right now and we really needed that laugh!
@@LiveHardxLoveHard sorry about that traffic! You’ll be retired soon with that dense traffic a thing of the past! Hang in there!
So much this! 👏 Kudos to you guys for using your platform to be good stewards of the trail and promoting trail etiquette and safety! I'm also against earbuds because I like to listen for wildlife and approaching hikers. If I'm alone on trail, especially after dark, I'll put my phone pretty quietly on speaker in its pouch and mute it if I see anyone. Listening to something helps me a lot because I'm terrified of the dark when solo. 😅 But yes, nothing worse than loud hikers and boom boxes! As far as passing, that's a great rule to know! I always assumed the faster hiker had the right of way. Often times, uphill hikers will step off first when they see me running down, and in that case I just roll with it (and do the same when I see someone moving quickly). Thank you guys for such a great topic! 🙌
Thank you! We’ve been wanting to do this one for a long time, especially with hiking becoming so popular (and hopefully not poopular if you know what I mean!). I think as long as the uphill hiker acknowledges you and you make eye contact you’re good - happens all the time where people will want to rest to let us by. We just try to make sure they can take the road if they want it!
I love this list!! I agree with all of it. Especially being "over"prepared... so many people end up lost or injured on popular, well known trails.
Yes agreed, and in truth we've gotten off trail ourselves a couple times even on popular trails, and it could have turned into a mess if we hadn't had GPS to refer to! ❤️
It's super awesome for you guys to offer advice and experience on these things whenever you do!
Thanks Carl! It's funny because most of these things seem obvious to us now, but when we first started hiking we actually didn't know a lot of them, like who has right of way (and Adam still messes up bringing enough water!) 😂
I always carry iodine tabs for purification of water assuming you have a water source. Great video guys. I believe if you start together as a group hike and it is agreed, that staying together is super important. If you want to hike alone, go for it. But if it is a decidedly together group hike, stay together. Thanks guys, all good advise💗🦃🦃🦃
That's a great idea, Mary -- super light and effective, though not tasty! Very good suggestion about keeping the initial group agreement, and we totally agree. It's so important, because weaker climbers really might need and be counting on help and support from the stronger climbers. It's fine for strong climbers to go alone from the start, but if others are counting on you then you gotta be there. ❤️
Great reminders for those that NEED them. You guys are super positive with everything you do!
Thank you! Were definitely hoping that’s how everyone sees this. It’s not about criticizing everyone, just sharing things people may not know so we can all be on the same page and everyone can have a great experience out there!
totally agree with all of them! a couple of them I learned the hard way too. I remember coming out of the Grand Canyon in late June one year, coming up Bright Angel, and noticing the profound lack of water on nearly everyone who was going down as I was going up - my favorite were the two love birds who were carrying their entire supply of water in a tiny coffee jar! It was 126 degrees in the bottom of the canyon that day - I had taken a page from your book and left at 5 am and was out by 1:30 pm for that reason! I might add one thing that always irked me too: NEVER cut the switchbacks on trails! Few things will destroy the trail for others like this will.
Haha that's a good one Jeff -- it would be fun some time just to collect everyone's most outrageous lack of water stories! And you're def not alone in mentioning the cutting of switchbacks. That and dogs off leash are definitely the two that people are mentioning most often in the comments. ❤️
Bright Angel is ok for water - it has piped water at a couple points on the trail and a spigot at Indian Gardens. On my way up at Indian Gardens I saw a group dressed for a night club. Tourists get a spontaneous idea to take a hike without any forethought.
Great stuff as always! Appreciate this as I'm sure you see many newbies out on the trail and the more education for the average hiker the better! I will say one thing about having the technology to keep you on route - I tend to prefer to not rely on technology for navigation. I think it's best to study and study and know the route by heart prior to going out on the trails. Obviously the hard part is in the high mountains where there is no defined trail, so that's a case where the technology does come in handy. Anyway, looking forward to your next adventure!
That’s a really good point Dan. Tech is most essential and useful when there is no trail and/or map to follow. Such a blessing of being a hiker in the modern era, we all get quite spoiled with the tech.
Great list the map and water are huge while hiking through Lassen park in a day we were 5 miles in when the trail hit a burn area and the trail disappeared because it hadn’t been maintained in over ten years but it still showed up on the map. I luckily had downloaded it on to my GPS kept us on track and also showed us some water sources and when we got down to 50% of our water we stopped to refill which saved us because the next source was dried up. We were able to meet our 18:10 ride just a few hours late. There is one other thing I would suggest that is you orientate yourself before leaving with land marks and sun position to help you get back if you do get on a wrong trail. Keep hiking love the channel
Thanks much, these are really good points! Wish we'd said that about water sources from the beta being potentially dried up -- that has happened to us as well, and is definitely something important to think about when planning a long hike on a really hot dry day! ❤️
Your list is a good one. We absolutely abide by these too.
Thanks Dave -- now we just gotta keep spreading the word, and get everyone on the same page! ❤️
Love hearing you guys banter about your trail experiences. Those were all good. One I was guilty of years ago is don’t roll rocks off of mountains. You never know who might be below you.
YES. We are definitely guilty of having kicked rocks in the past but we try so hard to avoid that esp if there are people below. We had some really scary experiences in Europe this summer with inexperienced hikers kicking rocks on us and being completely oblivious about it, and it really just cemented for us to be really aware of our own rock impact on future trails!
Totally get the surprising the folks on trail when I’m trail running. In fact I’ve been yelled at saying “slow down!” I’m not slowing down. It’s my exercise time and I’m flying because I love it!!! You have ear buds in nature and wild life might attack! Boars or bears or wild cats! Come on! Wear a bell…
Haha ya I've been there too 😂 It would be one thing if I was coming up super silent, but if I say "on your left" and people don't hear me because of their music, that's definitely on them! --A
Thank you much for the input as to bring awareness and reminder to our fellow hikers. Just to add on to the ' Don'ts' , Just got back form Grand Canyon hike, If a scenic spot or epic view spot comes along the trail, don't rest or take a break and eat your snacks there. There was this couple who's stayed in such spot where I waited for almost 10 minutes for this couple to moved on. We travel 100 miles just to get the into the immersion and vibed of the scenic view and get spoiled by non cognizant hikers.
Oooh that's a really good one, we should have thought of that. Yes you're absolutely right -- when on a popular trail, never hog a classic view spot or a summit. There are plenty of places to go off trail and be all alone for a longer break, but it's really important to share the classic view spots with others. ❤️
somewhat similar.... stopping in the middle of the trail to take pictures instead of going off to the side. a group at zion along the watchman trail kept doing that
I absolutely agree with your top 5. The one in your list that can take the joy out of the hike for me is people talking loudly. I've encountered this a number of times and it's always been a woman in a group. If this happens on trail I will just stop my hike until I can't hear them anymore.
#6 Also people who hike side by side on barely wide enough for two person trail, instead of single file. I can always tell just by them doing this that they don't hike regularly.
#7 People who don't know how to use trekking poles and have them out to their sides. I was actually tripped by someone doing this while I tried to pass them, even though I said, On your left passing.
#8 People hovering around trail junction signs. I don't understand why they can't move out of the way and instead think the sign means stay here for 20 minutes. Hope you're feeling better Elise. I can't wait to see where your next adventure takes us.
These are fantastic additions, Vickie! In fact, I think we might do a whole trekking pole video in the future. I love trekking poles and use them in all kinds of situations, and would love to do a whole "how-to" video about different situations, plus etiquette, etc. ❤️ --A
@@LiveHardxLoveHard That's a great idea! Thank you 😊 Maybe recommend if you agree that people don't use the trekking poles that you lengthen and tighten with a screwing motion. They become unscrewed and just when you need them to step down something steep they can collapse and cause an injury. It's happened to me. I now have Black Diamond poles that snap lock.
Thanks for the list. I've learnt a lot with this video, since I am just an vey rocky amateur hiker.
So glad to hear that, Miguel! Ya we're really hoping if we all spread the word about these things it will help a lot of people! ❤️
Great video, you guys are awesome!
I am not a frequent hiker and I didn’t know about the uphill/downhill hiker rule. Good to know!
What filter do you guys use for water on the trails?
Hope you are recovering well Elise!
Thanks very much, I'm feeling a lot better and we got out for some good adventuring this weekend! Very glad to share that rule with you -- it's a really nice one to know, because it creates such a good atmosphere on trail. We use a Katadyn BeFree filter, and really like it. ❤️ --E
I want to hear what is around me at all times! The Outdoors is something I want to enjoy, the sound of nature not something else. Respect each other out there always 💯
Totally agree!
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My rule? Always wear sunglasses, especially in snowy conditions, but also when it's cloudy. UV light is harsh for everybody's eyes (and pierces through clouds). You WILL notice the difference after 10, 20, 30 years. I'm 55, always wear sunglasses, and my optician says I've the retina of someone 25 years younger.
Btw really love your video's (and music)! Hope you'll return to Europe some day.
Great point about UV protection, and we should probably add in sunscreen to that as well, especially in snow where it gets magnified a lot! So glad you're loving the videos, and yes we are going to return to Europe every single year -- we absolutely love hiking and climbing there! ❤️
That's a good one. I went hiking above tree line after a dusting of snow a couple months ago, and it was socked in with low clouds/fog so I left the sunglasses in the car. Bad idea. The sun never did come out, but I was snowblind by the end.
A lot of great tips, thank you! Seems like most if it is related to treating others how you would want to be treated. But I did learn something today! I didn't know about the right of way for uphill hikers. I usually would just get out of the way just to make it easier but it's good to know it's an actual thing. Thank you!
Ya that's a good point -- basically the golden rule covers almost all of it. Nothing wrong with pulling over as the uphill hiker if you want to, but it's good for people to know the rule so that it's not always that awkward thing of both people trying to pull over. ❤️
@@LiveHardxLoveHard i totally agree. Im glad you enlightened me. My wife and I are heading to Sedona in a week so I will be definitely be putting that rule into action on the hikes!
What a beautiful couple! With all troubles in dating for this generation, I hope more people can meet a good match.
Aw thanks very much! We really do feel blessed to have a partner that loves the same things -- it's a great benefit to a healthy relationship. ❤️
Perfect list! I'd like to add: never forget a warm jacket (along with an emergency reserve of water). If you get in trouble somehow and must stay overnight, wait for rescue, etc., you will need it. The higher the trail's altitude, the more important.
Thanks Hermann, these are good additions! And also, when we go high altitude in the cold, we also bring an emergency bivvy just in case of an unforeseen overnight. They're very light, and provide good protection from the elements in an emergency. ❤️
I have experienced all of these and more. Great reminders.
Thanks Norm! We really think if we all just gently and kindly keep spreading the word, it will help at least a little. ❤️
Great video! Thanks for this. We also saw you pass by the Merry Go Round Restaurant last night in Lone Pine! We go there every chance we get. It was great to see you there! We are big fans of your channel and enjoy watching the adventures that you share.
Bruce that's awesome! We were actually going to eat there but it was full, so we went to the Seasons next door which was great. Are you guys climbing anything this weekend? We're contemplating a serious sufferfest of trying to get all the way to Rae Lakes and back -- wish us luck! BTW, next time you see us out and about here, or in Bishop, or on trail please feel free to give us a shout -- we'd love to stop and say hi to you in person! ❤️
@@LiveHardxLoveHard That is fantastic! You should have a great adventure out to Rae Lakes. We are headed to Ancient Bristlecones for a good high elevation hike among the ancients! We love those trees and the mountains they inhabit. Also heading to some natural hot springs and fantastic Petroglyph areas involving some cliff hiking and bouldering. It should be amazing! Will be in Bishop tonight. I almost ran out of the restaurant and ran down the sidewalk to catch up with you last night, but I didn't. I should have! Next time. Thanks for your kind reply. Your videos are always so wonderful, positive and adventurous. The music and your singing are absolutely incredible. Best wishes for your current and future success with everything. Kristin & Eric
@@brucekmules So fun! We've never been to the Bristlecones, but have always talked about it and definitely will at some point. So jealous you'll be in Bishop -- make sure to get breakfast at Jack's if you have time. It's our favorite diner ever, huge omelette and the world's best blueberry muffin. Hope you both have a great time, and next time most definitely grab us and we'll all chill and chat!
Definitely! Thanks for the tip. We will try Jacks and see you on the trail!
Great video with info that is very much needed. I have personally witnesses with hiking to the summit of Mt Leconte in the Smokey Mountains in July a whole throng of people with no water and not dressed properly for the hike. I also went off trail to use the bathroom and what I saw was truly disgusting. In the last few years I have seen a number of people on trail both in the western and eastern U.S. who were not prepared physically or with the proper equipment
Thanks very much -- yes we've seen that a lot lately too, and it's not about judgment but just all of us spreading the word to make sure people who are newer to the hiking world can avoid some of the mistakes many of us have already made and learned from. ❤️
I don't use any music when hiking, walking or running... Lol
I figure that the best approach is to be polite and announce that I'm coming up from behind a person!!
You guys rock!
MN Dave
Totally agree, Dave. And if you announce it and their music is too loud to hear the announcement, well you did you're best! ❤️
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All great , your suggestions should be posted at all trailheads , also , dogs on a leash always, not now but someday I would love to discuss the beta, map, gps one, great info for everyone, thank you so much for putting this together, Larry Owens
Thanks Larry! Yes at some point we're thinking we should do a whole video on how and where to collect the best beta for hikes and climbs, and really let everyone chime in with ideas as well. ❤️
Elise....ughh..the music and boom boxes...was in Kings Canyon once....big group too complete with a loud boom box....killed the whole hike from us. We just couldn't get completely away from it. Great video and awesome points too!
Thanks Michael! Oh my gosh I'd be so upset if that happened in Kings Canyon -- one of the most beautiful and peaceful places in the world! I'm hoping that with new technology groups will realize they can all still listen to the same playlist at the same time with individual earbuds in. We see it all the time with groups doing "silent disco" at the beach. ❤️
Great tips on trail etiquette. Too many people ignore basic courtesy.
Thanks -- ya we're just hoping if we all do our part by spreading the word it might help ensure that the new generation of hikers embraces the unwritten rules.
You guys just never disappoint 😊
Thanks Sood -- that's very nice of you to say! ❤️
Yeah. Music on the trail is frustrating but one ear bud is the way to go for sure. Sometimes those slogs get pretty long
Yes Drew I'm one earbud all the way! ❤️ --E
Totally agree on never underestimating the water ration. We tend to bring more than we need but I would rather not run out!
Same! I’m always bringing too much water which let me just say I will often share with Adam 😂😂 he claims that it would otherwise go to waste so I just side eye him while he sips from the bottle I just carried 20 miles 🙄
Bring a water filter and if you do run out don't be afraid to dip from a clean stream. If you get giardia it won't be until you are back home and you can go to a doctor for treatment. The water from snow melt in the mountains is cleaner than what you get out of your tap at home. 🙂
You guys just keep getting better and better...
Thanks so much! It was fun to do this one -- love sharing hiking thoughts and stories with you guys when we can't actually get out on the trail! ❤️
Missed you in the Sierras last weekend! Went up to Gem Lakes which are gorgeous right now (you'd probably combine it with something gnarly like scrambling up to Mt. Starr) and i was half expecting to run into you 2 there.
Which reminds me, do you have the beta for the hot springs / snowshoeing hike you did last year? We're coming back in March, weather permitting and wife is interested in that
We would have been up there except Elise was sick! We're going this weekend, because it might be the last of the season before the big snows come. Yes sure, just email us through our website, same name as the channel with a .com, and we'll email it to you. March should be a perfect time, as long as the roads are open to get up there of course! ❤️
@@LiveHardxLoveHard thanks, I'll be in touch. Hope Elise feels OK in no time!
02:33 - I totally get you on the earbud-induced oblivion, Adam. 🙏🏻
OK....Commented too soon... ALL of these resonate with me....great video!
Haha I've sort of started to enjoy it -- I yell "on your left" as loud as I can, and if they don't hear it I run on by and prepare to enjoy the jump scare 😂
I have no other choice than smile when I see you guys! Beautiful in every way! 😊 The rules are important, sad that some people go hiking with flip-flops and a Bluetooth speaker, but fortunately I've never seen that first hand - except for the flip-flops.. 😅 Keep up the good work and enjoy life! Greetings from Bavaria! ✌😃
Thanks so much -- and you're right, we've never seen people blaring music in Europe either, thank goodness! ❤️
Great advice! Noise pollution is number one on my list too. It totally takes away from the sounds of nature. On a similar note, I was running a race and someone had their music blasting from their phone. I don't mind if people wear earbuds, but I don't want to hear someone else's music. I couldn't escape it for a while because we were running about the same pace ha!
Oh that would be brutal. It's one thing to hear it for a minute as you pass, but mile after mile would be tough! ❤️
Great list. Noise pollution has always been a no no for me. When I am on trail and hear loud noises particularly music I will as nice as possible let them no it's not cool. The way I look at hiking is that if my presence is effecting another persons peace and quiet then it's just wrong. Can't always avoid it but you must try and minimize the potential.
That is very well said, and we feel exactly the same way about it. Even if we are shooting a video, we make sure not to talk too loudly if there are others around because we don't want to disrupt their experience of nature. ❤️
I didn’t know about the uphill hiker having the right of way. I would’ve thought since the downhill hiker has the momentum they should have the right of way. I’m glad I learned the proper etiquette tho. I want to be as respectful as I can out there. Thanks
Thanks Mark! Ya it does seem a bit counterintuitive at first. The reason is that uphill hikers, especially at altitude and on steep long hikes, are the ones who are struggling physically, so they're more likely to stumble or fall when moving off trail. Very glad to share that etiquette -- and of course it's only really necessary on narrow single track trails. ❤️
I'm new to your channel. Great list. I would say one of my most pet peeves (no pun intended) is hiking with your dog and not taking water for the dog. I hiked for many years in AZ and people would be surprised at how many dogs die of heat stroke because their owners didn't bring water for the dogs. Second is hiking with your dog when it is hot out, above 75 degrees. I have seen people hiking with their dog when it was above 100 degrees AND not having water for their dog. It's downright abusive.
Thanks, and welcome to the channel! Those are really good suggestions about making sure dogs can hydrate, especially for people who aren't native to the western US and don't realize how hot and dry it gets in CA, UT, and AZ. Humans and dogs can dehydrate in just a couple of hours when it's hot enough out. ❤️
I am aware of a case where some woman, a hiker not new to hiking, went off trail to use the bathroom while with a group and somehow got turned around and could not find her way back. It did not end well for her, and they found her some time much later and she had passed. Someone obviously should have stayed back and waited for her but that did not happen.
We just recently learned about that! It really does go to the point of always having a GPS with you -- and of course not deserting your hiking partners! ❤️
Another one is to not go off trail cutting switchbacks which erodes away our trails. Also, when gathering Beta check the dates of the information.
Oh that’s a good one. I personally love switchbacks, not trying to make it harder for myself. It’s like free miles! - E
Good points to raise guys. One thing that really annoys me on trail, when you are taking in nature and someone running comes from behind you without a sound. Can be very scary. I aways take plenty of water plus electrolytes. I used to have a tendancy to cramp, the electrolytes save the day. I also don't agree people who take dogs who are off leash whilst I'm scrambling.
That's a great point about the electrolytes Martin -- we will definitely talk about that when we do a nutrition video. Electrolytes on really long, hot hikes are crucial! And yes the dogs off leash also really seems like an important issue based on the comments so far. ❤️
I wish we had an etiquette sign in front of Cowels Mountain in La Mesa. One special group of girls would run by me tire out and then walk really really slow and then get annoyed with me when I’m trying to pass them. They did it to me like four times. Regarding the water. I was used to running Cowels Mountain at noon at 90° with no problem. Now I’m doing a five hour hike to the bridge to nowhere. I decided that I didn’t want to carry a heavy pack so I only filled it halfway with water since I’m not a big water drinker. That was the biggest mistake of my life. I’m at the very top on the way down and a girl asked us if we had extra water. All the water we had was in our backpack bladder. I was almost out of water at that point. My husband ran out of his full water, bladder, backpack by the time we got to the bottom, I thought I was going to die. Like Rosanne Rosanna Dana. There were some campers and I asked my husband if I can ask them for a bottle of water and he said yes, which was unbelievable that he said yes and they said we only have one. I said we’ll share it, and by the time they got a closer look at us, they gave us two. I thought I was on the edge of death. We won’t do that again. 😅 fun hike to the bridge to nowhere.
That's a great water story! Really glad you learned that lesson with no long-term ill effects. I still grapple with bringing the extra weight, but am finally getting better about erring on the side of too much water rather than too little. ❤️ --A
I always bring paper maps, a physical compass and altimeter. Even with a cell phone with GPS, having the physical backup will save you if you know how to use them.
Gary you're not the only one who has said this! Question: do you think having a physical backup map is better, or another a phone with a different GPS app (and portable charger for both phones) is better? We do two phones, so we always have a backup in case one gets broken or something, but no paper. Is there something about the paper map that you feel makes it superior to a GPS backup, or is the point just having a backup of some kind? ❤️
Paper maps give you an overview that a 4x3" phone can't display. GPS is wonderful, the army relies on it but the big picture tells you which trail connects to what other trail. The contour lines instantly tell you if it's ridiculously steep etc.
If an emergency comes up and you have to change your plans while on the trail a paper map would be invaluable.
@@garyp.7501 Ya I can see where the at-a-glance overview would be useful, though the ability to pinch-expand and pinch-contract GPS maps does let you get the big picture pretty well with just a couple finger moves. And it might not be long before GPS contour lines are even better and more detailed than those on maps! With that said though, I do agree that maps encourage more of a geographic and situational awareness, forcing you to use your brain to connect the map to the terrain in front of you, that could be extremely important in an emergency.
Agree, but do have a couple of comments. I mostly hike and backpack alone and often in remote locations. (I have. Garmin, etc.) There aren’t enough people in my circle who can or want to go, so several years ago I decided to start heading out solo rather than sitting on the couch. I’ll often listen to an audio book with one earbud in, but I also let the book tape blast when I know I’m the only one around to alert any animals. 2nd, I am mostly startled by trail runners and not due to earbuds, but my mind is usually wandering and by the time my brain comprehends the running steps and “on your left” you’ve usually already startled me and are past me. 😊
That’s a really good point Kristy! And I honestly should have thought of that because my own mind wanders all the time, so it quite possibly could be that rather than too loud of music. I will definitely remember that next time I am running up on a hiker! - A
Don't be the spontaneous, last minute invite to a long hike - know what you are getting into, and don't go if you cannot properly prepare. On San Gorgonio peak I saw a guy wearing open toe rubber flip-flops. That is a rugged 9 mile hike to 11,000 ft. I asked him why he was not wearing shoes, and he said he was invited on the last minute.
Haha that is a great story! I'm not sure whether to be horrified by the guy's cluelessness or impressed by his fearlessness in regard to pain. If he did the whole hike in flip flops I bet he couldn't walk for a month after. ❤️
Great tips!
Thank you! Hopefully if we all spread the word these will help keep the trails civilized and safe for everyone! ❤️
Hello you have right with those 5 things i take a bag with me to pick up the wastes see you soon thanks to you two
That is a great idea, Gerard. That would be better than our little plastic container!! ❤️
Great info, very useful and thoughtful! I would perhaps add that stone stacks (cairns) are not a piece of art, or way of self-expressing or to spend your leisure in the wild. Building them is not for fun and does not conform to "leave no trace", and where they are being built by rangers, they do have a specific function. So, don't stack rocks just because you feel so.
Yeah, this is a good point. We’ve been severely led astray by random cairns in the past so we tend to not even pay attention to them now!
Now I can see how much you have to get prepared for a hike Elise.. It's not an easy thing... Take care.. 🤗
Haha yeah it does take a lot of time nd energy but when it’s what you love to do it is worth it!
@@LiveHardxLoveHard sure of that my best hiking lady... 😘
I totally agree with your top 5. Gave it a like and actually think this is worthy of 👍🏼 + ❗️
Thanks very much -- we've been wanting to do this one for a while because if we all chip in and spread the word, it'll be great for our trails and keeping everyone happy and safe! ❤️
I agree with the music sentiment. Headphones are significantly better than blaring music from a speaker. It is particularly rude to people that just want to enjoy nature. I work two jobs and I am taking full time graduate courses while I work on my PhD and when I have the time to actually hike, the last thing I want to hear is someone's terrible choice in music when I really just want to enjoy some peaceful solitude in nature. Just be aware of your surroundings as the last time I hiked alone wearing headphones I wandered into a bear which I only noticed when I was close enough that I could have pet the bear. Luckily the bear just walked off confused.
Haha that's a great story about the bear 😂. I totally feel you on the two jobs grad school thing -- that was me years ago, and hiking in the solitude of nature was my solace too. --A
What do you use for trails? Which app do you find moset helpful in US?
We really like AllTrails, Joanna, so that's our main navigation app. However we generally also have Gaia running on our other phone just in case something gets whacky with the AllTrails map. ❤️
Great Vid-----I learned something like the GPS maps----I didn't know they existed as maps. I hope you heal quickly from all the candy you inhaled! :-) Happy Trails
Thank you! Yeh we would not be able to go to half of the places we do without GPX routes downloaded onto our maps :) if you get subscription apps like all trails or Gaia you can track yourself along the route as you go, and figure out quickly when you’re off trail. Life saving :) we’re still going through the monster bag of Reese’s Adam bought for the zero trick our treaters we had 😂
I love your sit down videos - so funny and always learn something 😂❤ also “dire Halloween party”
Kate!!! We miss you! Hope you and Fab are doing great!!!❤️❤️--A
This was a very hilarious videos, thanks for the tips. Although, I learned some of these point the hard way a few years ago. Getting lost on trail and not having enough water. Had to call 911. I was 30 miles from where I started. I definitely learned that day to get better beta and have enough water. 😂
Oh my gosh, that's a great story! Ya we all tend to learn a lot of this stuff the hard way -- sometimes more than once! But great that you really learned from it. That's how we are too. We def have made a lot of mistakes, like when we bonked on Rim to Rim, but really used that to improve our calorie intake on all future hikes! ❤️
Excellent advice! I will add, if your walking as a family or small groups don't block the whole trail so faster hikers can get by. Control your dog, don't let the leash to long to block the trail with the leash. In national parks I see people who go way off trail and put themselves in dangerous situations just for a great photo. Hike your level of hiking, if you haven't hiked 5k before don't attempt a tough 20km hike. Some people bring their kids hiking which is great, but making a toddler hike 10km on a hot day is not a great way to have your kids enjoy hiking.
These are all really good suggestions. Blocking the trail is especially an issue on popular hikes, and we've seen it a lot too. Very important for people to move to the side if they're stopping to deal with kids, etc, so others can get by. ❤️
So many people do these things in Colorado. Especially the noise pollution, dog pollution, and not knowing passing etiquette. It's why I seek out trails that aren't going to be mobbed with people. Maybe I'm just old, but if I'm going somewhere really wild, I'll print out a topo map and have a compass with me. GPS and downloaded maps can fail or run out of batteries.
Chris that's really interesting about the topo maps and compass. Do you do that in place of GPS, or in addition? We always have 2 phones with 2 different nav apps just in case of battery failure, etc. We do a lot of off trail stuff, and I feel like I wouldn't be sure where I was with just a map and compass. But much respect for your orienteering skills that you're able to! --A
@@LiveHardxLoveHard Oh, yeah. As a backup ;) I do use GPS as a first option. I learned Orienteering as a kid, but it's not difficult. I think there's a bunch of UA-cam videos on it.
When I’m hiking alone through bear country, the boom box is a good idea
Ya we definitely have to make an exception for being the first person out on a hike in bear country -- especially grizzly bear country!
1000% on #2 - this one drives me nuts!!
For sure, Kristen! Especially if people are coming downhill and taking up basically the whole trail!! ❤️
Do's and Don't good information, I should enjoy hiking but I start picking up people's trash except the poops... haha , be aware of your surroundings THAT'S very important but Thanks for sharing a lot of good advice. its always a blessing
Thanks Andrea! Yeah we try to make it a point to pack out more trash than we brought in every time. If everyone did that there would be no more trash on trail!
I always thought it was the uphill hiker to give right of way since downhill hikers are faster so I always give way. Good to know the actual rule.
That's very nice of you, and a lot of people do the same. Nothing wrong with uphill hikers giving way when they feel like it, especially if they want to rest. But yes, it's good to know the actual rule so when we're cruising downhill and some poor group is struggling upward, we pull aside and let them keep their rhythm. ❤️
What’s the trumpet painting in the background called? I like it
DJ Trumpet - just guessing🤪
It does look beautiful
Thank you! Can't remember off hand, but if Elise knows I'll have her leave a reply! --A
Elise, do you know? 😊
I'll always give way to the downhill hiker, since it's easy for me to pause, thanks to gravity, and they have momentum. Let them keep their flow, and knees are grateful for that too.
It also makes sense for whoever can pass the spot faster to go ahead.
That's a nice way to think about it, and I'm sure they appreciate it! And there's def nothing wrong with uphill hikers yielding if they want to, as long as downhill hikers know that if the uphill person doesn't want to yield then they should pull over. ❤️
@@LiveHardxLoveHardI often see that you two are speedily jogging down the trails to get home sooner, so why would I as the uphill hiker force you to stop for me to amble past?
I've read up the logic for both sides eg that the uphill hikers like their rhythm and have more limited vision. If it's near a peak, it's better to make more space by letting the downhill traffic exit faster... In Seattle, I liked the lesson that no driver claims the right of way, but one driver is supposed to yield the right of way.
So a compromise could be that the downhill hiker technically must yield (with a wink to Dr Suess' Zaxes), but it's best etiquette for the uphill hiker to be unselfish and yield🏞️
@@zetristan4525 That is perfect!
Your hair looks great elise
Thank you!! ❤️ --E
Hiking here in the Bay Area, it seems not many know about hiking on the right and passing on the left. There's groups of 3 or 4 that refused to hike single file. They are all hiking abreast and don't even move when they see you coming from the opposite direction.
Then there's so many people who don't know what, "On your left" means. They get all confused and walk right into your path when you're coming up behind them.
Actually now that you mention it, that happens here too. I'll say "on your left" and people move left instead of right. But in truth that doesn't bother me too much, because at least we're both aware of each other and we can figure it out. I really get irked when I shout it, their music is so loud they don't hear it, and then they get mad at me for scaring them when I pass! --A
@@LiveHardxLoveHard I hear Adam. Same thing happened to me recently with a headphone walker, but I was on my mountain bike. Never heard me and a narrow trail.
I think I just missed you guys at Castle Craigs in Mammonth. Your video came out a day after I was there.
@@planet3599 That's awesome! What a gorgeous hike that is, and basically no one on it, right? Love the Sierra.
You guys are totally California. even the accent! Great content 😊 baldy was crazy today!
Haha well you know we love our Cali, so we'll def take that as a compliment! Glad to hear you were up on Baldy -- maybe it was super busy because everyone knows the first big El Nino storm is coming this week and they wanted to get that last hike in. We like Baldy in the snow, though, so we're cool to wait until after a couple storms when it's way less crowded! ❤️
Adam is not bald! Not even close to. ⛰️🦒
1. It drives me crazy when someone is blasting music on trail.
2. Coming down trail, I have to remind people going up that they have the right of way a lot of times.
3. All the trails around Maine and New Hampshire, I haven't seen much dog poop on trail
4. I almost always hike without a GPS, I usually used a standard map. The only time I wished I did was when Lori and I ran out of Daylight on the Highline trail. We had flash lights and head lamps, but we were a little worried for those last two miles.
5. I always carry too much water. I hate having the extra weight, but I rather have too much than not enough
Dan we're starting to move your direction with extra water now. It's such a pain to carry it, but really necessary for safety in case the hike takes way longer than planned or even in case of injury or getting lost. Hope you'll move our direction on the GPS. It seems like you're starting to get into harder stuff, and though old-school map reading is awesome those GPS can be really helpful in certain situations -- especially in the dark! ❤️
@@LiveHardxLoveHard With the exertion you both do on your difficult accents, you must need a great deal of water
@@evans_swiftie_shirt1730 Yes! Especially on the hot dry days.
Sorry you were sick Elise ❤
Thank you! It was so weird -- I almost never get sick, and I was dying for like 4 days after that darn party. But back strong now, and ready for more adventure this weekend! ❤️ --E
I did not know this!
Glad to share! ❤️
Trail music is my biggest pet peeve for sure!! Also on busy trails when pairs or groups of people walk side by side and take up the whole path without paying any attention to others trying to pass them or even being courteous to oncoming hikers being forced off trail to pass.
Yes and yes!!!! 👍
Haha yeah, I am too awkward to ever do anything about it but I do usually try to give them my MEANEST looking side eye 😂
@@LiveHardxLoveHard same!!! But, I’m Rambo with an attitude, in my mind!
What about do's and don't's of hiking in snow? Or at elevation? And do you guys always check weather reports, and what if you're caught in the rain?
These are great questions -- we might actually do a whole snow video at some point, because that's our biggest concern. And huge yes on the weather reports. We check religiously, and have actually turned around in the car before even starting a hike if the weather changed dramatically and looked like it would get dangerous. Especially with snowstorms in the Sierra! ❤️
I show respect on the trail.be cool on the trail .I get it .
For sure David -- we're betting you're cool both on trail and off trail! ❤️
I too have startled hikers wearing earbuds! Funny - and I concur - they look at me like I’m the bad guy.
It really is funny, and as long as I call out loudly when I'm approaching I never feel bad about it. 😂 --A
Great advice, guys! Elise, sorry your party on Halloween was fraught with illness! Great to see you two! 🥰🎹🎼❤️
Thanks Michael! Ya it was super annoying, because how did Adam not get sick when the whole party was his idea? Aren't couples supposed to get sick together? 😂
Regardless if you’re in the mountains or in your living room, I am happy to see you guys happy and happy in love. ❤
Thank you so much -- that's a very kind thing to say and brought a big smile to both our faces! ❤️
Oh... recommendations for good water filters please? Ideally lightweight and no weird aftertaste
We use the Katadyn BeFree filter and love it. Works great, no bad taste, and serves as an extra water bottle when needed.
First Aid Kit, signaling device e.g. whistle or mirror, compass (if GPS goes dead.)
Good ones! We've heard a couple stories lately where the old-fashioned whistle made all the difference. ❤️
@LiveHardxLoveHard Thanks for the Heart and comment. After I wrote that list, I remembered never forget to check and bring as needed items listed in the classic "10 Essentials" or updated versions of it like the "REI 10 Essentials" on any substantial hike into the wilderness.
Young children should carry a whistle. Preferably on a detachable neck lanyard. Kids can step off trail for a distraction, feel lost and panic quickly. The small whistle on a pack chest strap is easily overlooked and insufficient.
This is a great one! They should carry one in parks and big grocery stores too!! ❤️
I would say to be mindful of rockfall. Please always yell, "ROCK!" That is important even if you don't see anyone or if the rocks are small. You never know what is below you and you could accidentally cause a major rock slide. I live in CO and do 14ers. Many climbers have had gnarly injuries from rockfall. My BF and I have also been hit on our helmets with rocks tumbling down on Class 3/4 terrain. It is a scary surprise not knowing rocks are tumbling your way.
Yes!!! This is definitely one we should have included. We have had so many rocks kicked down on us over the years, and most of the time even the people who kick them don't yell anything! On the other hand, a good Samaritan shouting "rock" probably saved our butts from a serious one when we were going up avalanche gulch on Shasta. So this is a super important tip. Wish we'd thought of it for the video! ❤️
1. Your ears can save your life in the wilderness: rattlesnakes; rockslides; big animals
2. Yield to pack animals and follow the packer's directions no matter which direction.
3. Bury it off trail. Carry and pack out sanitary wipes.
4. Learn to read a topo map and carry it.
5. Invest in a hydration bladder, filter, and electrolyte tablets. In arid mountains natural water sources are for animals not humans.
Great stuff, and the pack animals one is super important! Moving hikers and trail runners can spook the horses and create real danger for everyone. ❤️
You guys are great
Thanks very much, Dylan -- that's such a nice message to wake up to this morning! ❤️
All great information as usual! I can't tell you how many hikers I have saved that either have no beta or water. Don't feel bad Elise... I may have partied too much on Halloween as well :-)
Wow Mark, it sound like you are a much more noble human than Adam is! 😂
@@LiveHardxLoveHard lol...Thanks, but I doubt that!
Good tips! My wife always makes fun of me for rolling my eyes at hikers playing the "soundtrack of our lives" while on trail but DAMN, it's annoying!! Granted, it's much less common in NPs and more remote areas than in Socal. Urban hikers need their Pitbull...
Haha yeah it def is more common closer to the city, though in some ways all the more annoying for that because when you're just trying to escape the city grind in nature for a couple of hours the last thing you need is club music 😂
Massive thumbs up on these points! Thanks for the PSA and hope it reaches the clueless :o)
Aw thanks! Hopefully everyone takes it the right way. We’ve all started somewhere and sometimes people just genuinely don’t know, so why not share and makes the trails a little merrier!
I saw families in Bryce Canyon with one small water bottle!!! I can't believe it!
Bryce is a really good example, Cheryl, because it gets so terribly hot and dry in the summer and it's easy to get miles away from any water source. Plus, so many novice hikers! ❤️
Whhhaaaatttt….there was a Halloween Party in California last week….and I didn’t go? We LOVE Halloween! And, unfortunately, here in Ouray, Colorado, Halloween almost doesn’t exist ( there is trick or treating on Main Street at the businesses only; no neighborhood activities 😢. Anyways, we were in Palm Springs for Halloween this year. We had just finished assembling a ton of furniture, as well as returning from the U2 concert in Vegas; so we sadly did not do specific Halloween activities. Because….we were assembling more furniture :-(
I lack a few trail common senses. But…I muscle through them. I stay up late. So, I start my Colorado alpine hikes after noon….and get to enjoy the lightning storms hehehe. If my long hair German shepherd hair stands up, we duck hehehe. On many hikes, I don’t take cold weather gear. If I am behind schedule, and the temps drop, I just keep hiking into the night (yes…it wouldn’t work as well if I broke a foot). I actually love night hiking.
Aside from that, I completely agree with your points! I wish trail life would be incorporated into our every day life with regards to the etiquettes out in the towns, cities, and such.
My dog looks part bear/ part wolf, so I actually give all uphill and downhill hikers the right a way….and try to get at least 10 ft off of the trail.
Oh yes…since I am always hiking solo with my dog, I always bring the garmin inreach. A twisted or broken appendage is just around the next corner! I also carry a 40 ft length of 1 inch webbing so I can belay my dog up or down a class 3 climb, up to 25 ft. And, I have a poncho-esque thing with 4 holes in it, and shoulder straps, so I can evacuate my dog, if needed.
Whew…..lack of water is no joke! In a sustained climb, I stop and water my dog every 30 minutes. He drinks 3/4 to 1 liter on every one of those stops. I stop every hour on a long descent. On a 2 hr climb, just do the math; we use lots of water. I also carry a sawyer purifier so as to supplement our water needs.
PS. I emailed my contact info for when you are in Palm Springs in the middle of the month. I will be there 17-25 November. Safe travels and get well soon!
Awesome, Alan! Hope we'll see you when we're there. That is a fantastic point you make about giving people space when you bring the pup as well. I personally love dogs and always stop to pet them on trail, but I know not everyone does so giving them extra space is definitely the considerate thing to do! And love that you're thinking about pup rescue as well, just in case!! ❤️
Been hiking forever and never heard of #2. I doubt many people have. But I always go on the side anyway so not an issue.
That’s interesting! As far as we know it first got popularized in national parks with rangers and their website sharing it with people. And then it started expanding to other hikes as well. But it’s a nice rule of the road and makes sense bc the uphill hikers are always the ones struggling!
Great list! Plus, always tell someone where you’re going and if possible don’t hike alone. Finally, don’t watch this video while eating dinner, as I did. 😀💩
Haha great addition, Monte, and sorry about dinner 😂
I'm going to be surprised if I'm mistaken - but was that bear on the Lakes Trail in SEKI? I feel like I recognize that boulder!
Yes! Wow you have a really good eye, and a fantastic memory!! We were out doing the Alta to Pear traverse that day!! ❤️
There was a woman a few years back who got off trail to use the toilet on the AT in Maine and got lost. She was missing for 2 years before her body found. She did not have the GPS, or map and compass. It is a real danger for sure to not have navigation supplies!
Whoa, we had never heard that story before but what an excellent example of how things can go wrong so quickly. Such a good reminder of why having All the beta is so essential!