Honda CRV: Can't Turn The Key
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- Опубліковано 7 вер 2022
- In this video I have a look at a customers Honda CRV. Their complaint is they can't get the key to turn to get the car running. Indeed it is stuck so now I have to replace the lock cylinder and housing. It is an easy DIY project but the sucky part is you need to program the keys when you are done.
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I Hope this clears up some questions I keep seeing over and over - ua-cam.com/video/YW1kIMHsIvc/v-deo.html
Cheers,
Eric O.
I wasn't concerned with the key situation ...... figured the owner may have had a fob entry and it seemed to be an older tired Honda!! Suprised you could not see the ground being in upstate NY. Just concerned about the chisel and hammer. The air chisel is a sweet method...... I know you would need to run an air hose out ( I even rigged up an air tank for lot work!! 😆) . I cracked a windshield once with the hammer method!! I was bummed!! But the dealer I worked for took it in stride. Broke 2 windshields in 40 years........a learning experience!! Hahaha!
Enjoyed your follow up! Thanks!!
Very interesting point ... of being able to use a new/different lock & key, while strapping/taping the old key computer chip fob > to the/a dangling sensor ... In a soon to be Dystopian world, that is great information Thank You
So let's talk ???
I am an automotive locksmith of 8 years now, this is an ongoing problem and I have got all of my mechanic shops in my area to refer Hondas to me for the fact that I can do a lock cylinder rebuild with new wafers and cut a new key to code so the customer still has one key to work both the door and the ignition switch like it was from the factory, but if you don't have a competent automotive locksmith in your area this is another route to do it the way you did it in your video
It was very cool to see you using the autel 508 to program the keys, that is one of many programmers I have in my arsenal but definitely my everyday go-to
My father loved this channel. Sadly he passed away 9 11 22 . This channel inspired him to work on his jeeps v+his pickup truck. He was 72 survived a near death 10 months ago from liver failure. After his transplant he discovered this channel. It's all he talked about. We watched many together. Thank you soo much for the joy your channel gave my Dad . R.I.P Dad I love you
I understand how inspiring this channel can be. We see a guy not that different from us knowing what he has to do and doing things that make me cringe... not always getting it right the first time (we see it all!) but getting it right in the end. Excelsior!
my condolences.
@@davidmiller9485
Thanks soo soo much. He was a great man. I miss him very much especially those calls around lunch hour.
Yes that's exactly what it is. Between the two of us I know that one of us has a degree in electrical engineering.
If I was hitting that chisel, I would no doubt break the windshield on the back swing.
Absolutely 100%
HA HA .... probably needed to be replaced anywho .... ....
I'd of hit myself in the face, knocked myself out with my fat head knocking the car into neutral rolling down a hill and probably crashing into a a church, bar or a police station.
@@nickg9021 Mitigation for old methods of attack never really goes away. Unless you're Master Lock. Then you just never mitigate anything.
real
Just remember Eric--if you can do it ,i can watch it---thanks for doing it!!!
one video with mourning coffee and the other just before bed. What a combo.
"coming in clutch" is the same as "just in the knick of time". Being super useful to the team at a direly needed moment.
I didn't know ether, My Kidd's 40🤣
It’s the correlation between a manual transmission part and how the term is used in that phrase that’s the issue
First time I've heard the expression. My old mind would have thought "slow and smooth", like using the clutch.
I've heard a similar saying before...coming THROUGH in THE clutch.
All I knew is that I did a sick move and my boy said I came in all clutch. I was proud either way haha
Missed opportunity Eric O! An epic collab with Lock Picking Lawyer could have been what the masses were begging for. 😂😅. Had a similar issue in my Lexus RX330 a few years ago. If Eric O can fix it, so can you!
HaHaHa! I just made a comment about him! It was the first thing I thought of. Particularly the Lishi picks! o7
If LPL showed up, he would have to pick the lock twice to show that it "wasn't a fluke".
lock pickin lawyer face would be shown lol, Eric can't help himself
@@dlsimmonsjr1 Knowing LPL, Eric would have to sign numerous waivers before LPL would even show up.
Ha!
I just give a thumbs up before watching South Main Auto videos now.. cause you know they’re gonna be good and you’re going to learn something new
I do the same!
@@rolandbates6978 Who doesn't??!?
Yea, but do you give it the ol' insty and the facebook?
Absolutely! I've learned a lot from Dr. O! I've also learned what not to do!
Same
Eric HUGE props for finishing the repair in the field. Everyone knows that bringing the car inside early would be cheating. A true automotive warrior in our presence.
Man, that tin foil really was the key.
I'll see myself out.
Don't be so paranoid.
Nope, I pushed you out!
Actually, that wasn't the worst I've heard!
@@dans_Learning_Curve
he got the tin foil from under his hat
@@andyhinners4402 that's why he's always wearing a hat!
Dad jokes, I was gonna go there.....
The guy who owns it knows that you hate intermittent faults.
That's what I was thinking! You want it broke or not?
Hahaha
It's awesome that you can snap something off and it's a good thing. Usually when I do that, it's an "oh shit" moment!
Makes me wonder what the dealer does in these cases. They don't have a tool for that I'm thinking
I find there are many more shear-threads on a car than shear-bolts.
Now, that's funny 😂. Nothing like a little Kentucky thread locker
I don't know, it's kinda 50/50 for those of us in the rust belt lol!
And not just on a car!
I always use spring loaded center punch at an angle to loosen those security bolts
Please don’t hesitate to do repeat videos on any work like this. First, you will probably show us different ways to skin a cat. Second, from one manufacturer to another, the steps will probably differ a lot. I marvel at your ability to understand concepts and processes to lead you through diagnosis to task completion. Great stuff!
Not sure which is better, Eric's commentary or his automotive skills? Who am I kidding, they are both GREAT (and Clutch too)!!!!
Retired 40 year dealer tech here. The tumblers for these sidewinder keys have only tiny spurs on them to ride on the cut surface of the key. As the tip of the key gets excessively worn from not being inserted straight the tumbler spur gets worn off until it no longer is lifted by the key and so you can't turn the cylinder. If you get a new (aftermarket I think) T5 key blank cut to the original key code, it will likely catch the tumbler and allow you to turn the key and then remove the lock cylinder without removing the entire lock assembly. The T5 blank has a re-writable chip and so it can be cloned to the original transponder key and the car will accept it without any programming and you will still have a key that will work in all the locks. At that point you can disassemble the cylinder and replace any worn tumblers (from a kit) and lube it well with the super-light grease made for that purpose. Same goes for replacing the whole cylinder, just recode it to the original cut. Since it was almost always the first tumbler that was damaged, I always just left that one out so that the key was more aligned in the slot before it reached the second tumbler. If the tip of your sidewinder key is getting rounded off on the cuts, consider getting it replaced with a T5 before you get to that stage and always insert the key in line with the slot. T5s are also great for adding extra keys without programming, the car just thinks they are all the same key.
Another reason I enjoy you videos is they are real. The things that happen are like I have experienced. in my 50 + years. I haved learned a lot as well.
Eric O I just want to thank you for doing more videos per week! It makes my day when I get to watch a new video you put out!!!
Shear bolts always induce a reverse euphoric feeling. The mind and body is used to feeling defeat and anger when breaking a bolt off.
Sign of a true smack-O-expert . Can hit the chisel end without watching it .
I've bought plenty of cars without keys from the auction and taken plenty of these shear bolts out. A trick the locksmith taught me. Just as Eric said cut a slot in the bolt use a flathead and remove. Or take a flat screwdriver and beat the head counterclockwise until she breaks free. Also used a stripped bolt socket big enough to go over the head. It grabs them and will back them out.
Don't worry if we can't see what you're doing on the video. We're here just for your great commentary!
I almost chose auto repair as my career. Looking back on this decision and watching you fight with vehicles all day, I'm glad I chose not to. It's bad enough working on my own car.
So, you chose brain surgeon instead?
And they are worse to work on with all the BS in the way today. More complex and without the assortment of tools almost rediculous.
Totally not worth it, unless you have your own shop
I ended up in IT Field Services for a Fortune 100 electric company. My motto for the department: Taking Computer Age skills to the end of Bronze Age roads at any time in any weather. Still a lot less frustrating than working on cars.
When I worked at Honda I changed a whole wack load of those. I found the best way was a long, very sharp, chisel. Knock a slot in it then start knocking it loose on the side of it in a counter clockwise rotation. As soon as it starts moving you can use a screw driver. Those snap off security bolts are made from real soft steel
I have a Honda element. Had same problem. I took the ignition cylinder out disassembled it and removed the tumblers and put it back in. Now you can turn ignition with any key but only cranks with original. Fixed it for free
You can also use a deep 1/4" drive thin walled 12 point socket, drive it onto the shear bolt and remove the bolt that way
And that just proves the little key pouch to protect keyless entry cars works 👍
Thanks for another great video I’m hooked on your videos better than sitting on the couch after work listening to my wife. Ty
I work for a dealer and we send out the new lock cylinder to a locksmith to code it to the old keys so the customer doesn’t have 2 separate keys for ignition and door. It’s usually not that expensive. Locksmith charges around $30.
I had that done before and guy used a Dremel to put a slot for the breakaway head bolts. Great job Mr O.
Eric O,
My gf's roommate gets our 'why you don't do it that way' award after my gf figured out what was causing her roommate's new car not to start. When you have a push button start car, you first press the brake before pressing the Start button. Not her roommate, she was doing both at the same time which would put her car's dash into light up mode informing her of all the items on it and then not start up if the button won the race.
My auto repair experience has been accomplished using mostly inappropriate tools. Good job, Mr O!
I am a locksmith and I rebuild these units usually for less than the cost of the cylinder and I don't have to remove the housing assembly. My customer spends less and uses the same key for the ignition and the door.
I bet you also don't use a 2 foot long chisel? 😀😅😎😂😂😂
We have a legendary locksmith in town who could probably handle it. We might have to wait a while but it would be worth it.
Call the Lock Picking Lawyer! Nice work
You are right, everyone seems to wait until the cylinder total stops turning to say, "oh, I ought to get that fixed". I don't know if they think by some magic, the cylinder will just heal itself. Working at a Honda dealer, I have done quite a few of these parking lot repairs. And yes, the hammer and chisel is my preferred method of removing the sheer bolts.
Years ago I found your channel when I searched for help with this same problem on the same vintage CRV. Your video on getting the cylinder out of the column from years ago helped me with the repair back then and I have learned from you and enjoyed your entertaining videos ever since! We still own that CRV by the way. It's been a very reliable car.
I wonder what was my first video I viewed of SMA? Can't remember! It certainly would be fun to remember what I was searching for! He's definitely stepped up his video game!
@@dans_Learning_Curve Yeah, the first ones of his I saw didn't have all the video quality and the production he has now.
I come here for the rookie mistakes. Keep them coming. I love Amateur Hour at SMA!!!
I was impressed with your knowledge of JIS screwdrivers. I have one at 40 years old used many thousands of times and it looks like the day I got it
Funny how Philips screwdrivers are designed to cam out! Not the case with JIS!
I've been watching you for years. I would gladly bring any of my cars from Groton Connecticut to South Main Auto!
You can often turn a security bolt with the help of some sharp diagonal cutters. They’re sharp enough to get a grip on the heads.
Side cutters can be good. They way I do them is drill a 1/8 hole in the flat where it was broken off, then bang a flat blade screwdriver that is slightly wider into the hole and turn. You can get them out in no time. I was amazed at how easy it was to get an auction car with no keys going by unscrewing the ignition from the column then the switch from the back and starting with a screwdriver. 1990s S Class Mercs have some trick that causes the steering lock to still engage, so I just unbolted the whole steering column and rotated it to steer a short distance lol.
Thanks for taking us along on this one. Really enjoyed the parking lot repair. Have done that many times back in the day.
“It’s usually after I did some sick move” 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Did a LOT of lock mechanism replacements for that same problem. Toyotas, Mercedes, Mazdas, etc... Some even had the shear heads still on from factory new! Someone forgot to go the extra 'click!' Nine times out of ten the driver of the vehicle had some huge keyring with over a pound of keys dangling off of it. After a few years of that weight yanking on the ignition key it would wear out one or both. Toyota used to sell a complete kit with ignition lock, two front door locks, glove compartment lock, and trunk/tailgate lock with all the clips and bezels and whatnots. Back in the mid-1980s it was $200 retail. Most other manufacturers sold them separately. On the cylinders where the shear bolt heads were accessible from underneath I used a left-hand drill bit and drill to zip them right out. Otherwise a long chisel was the way to go. They were never very tight. Love your channel Eric... loved the work also but not enough to still do it... just watch.
Tongue-in-cheek...a true hammer mechanic! Keep up the great work! I'm learning a bunch!
You started humming when you got the shear bolts loose, I call that the hum of victory! lol great video as always, have a great day and God Bless!
And what a great feeling that is.
Wow, this makes the job seem so much better on a GM van. No security bolts, nothing stopping you from taking it apart. I will say the Dormain kit is working well, and the worst of it was that it came with all of the wafers, and you have to put the cylinder together yourself, which isn't bad once you get it figured out. I think they want you to copy the wafers in the old cylinder, but those were long gone by the time I was told to fix the van. Yeah, it was fun getting everything fixed when there was nothing buy a shell left, so it involved destruction in some sections.
Every time I see that gen CRV makes me miss mine. Surprised that one survived the forced recall.
"Forced recall?" I have two... and see bunches of 'em every day... sure, the airbags have been replaced, but they weren't removed from the road!
It’s always good to know taking an hour to do something which generally takes ten minutes happens more often than not.
This is some next level work repair work.
I’ve used chisels on every single one of those so you did it perfectly :) Been working on and specializing in Hondas for 13 yrs. Always more than one way to skin a cat😏
Wonder if you can use the snap on socket extractor. The one that goes to a screw driver i used it to get out torx bit on air bag bolt. Honda has TSB on it to for SRS.
Hanging lots of items and extra keys on your car key ring causes this . The key cylinder is not designed to cope with extra weight causing the key and the internal cylinder to wear out super fast . Slop and slack inside to cylinder caused the pins and springs inside to NOT allow the rotation of the lock . Do not put lots of heavy extras on your car keys . It’s designed to last 20 + years with just the car key it’s self !
Ha the train guy! 13:03 That’s part of how I feel watching your videos!
Excellent
my 2006 Odyssey ignition did the same. First time I removed the worn tumbler. About a year later the same thing happened so I removed all the tumblers and springs. Works great, no programming of keys, only issue is key can fall out at anytime. All honda key will fit the ignition but not start the vehicle. Good video Eric O.
I've done those and most of the time it was easy. Vehicles were late 80's to early 90's. Good fix Mr. O.
Just had to do this on an 01 Avalon last week. The metal rod broke off the lock cylinder. Except I was upside down under the dash and it was 95° outside. 😂😂😂
Good times
That would suck. I just decided to replace the tiny bulb in the ring light that goes around the key slot in my 04 Avalon. That was a bear by itself, i broke one of the bulbs trying to put it in. They are darn near microscopic. Next time, I'm getting green LED bulbs for that ring light and the one in the shifter lamp. All the bulbs in the rear of the car are now LED and seem to last a really long time.
@@lucidbarrier I put it all back together with the replacement lock cylinder and didn’t realize it had the immobilizer. 😂😂 so I had to take the lock cylinder back out and swap the rest of the stuff.
Geezus!!! No envy here. I always thought mechanics had the secrets to make things easy. Guess I was wrong.
I had same CRV and key issue week before last. Just threw a used ignition and key at it.
I had an 04 crv that did the same thing. I just pulled the tumblers out of the switch 🤣
100% fix and you still need the correct key
@@Qusin111 you are correct, but if you have a screwdriver you can listen to the radio 😆
Noticed you said you would have used a mini die-grinder but would have needed to drag an extension out to the car. That's exactly why my latest mini-tool is battery powered. So much more useful than the previous one, no cable dragging around getting in the way.
So many times this has happened now, had a similar job today at work on a land cruiser, then i get home and see eric has posted a video on a similar thing. Greay work!
Did this with a Tercel but I used a punch and hammer! Your way is more logical..great video!
Dear Eric... I'm constantly amazed by your general (and further!) electrical/electronic/computer skills, on top of what
the vast majority of general 'Mechanics' would know, or even think about!!!! I know that 'today' it is an integral part of
what you have to do/know, but you do it SO much better than those damn 'Parts Cannon' Dealers etc!!!!!
Not to mention you are also a wonderful & loving family man, as per your lovely interactions with your wife etc!!!!
Love your ribald humor, Eric O. -- never, ever change! +1 Like
Just got home from work to a SMA video and house to myself for a couple hours happy and some peace and quiet
Eric,
Great video and fix - thank you!
SMA#1
Paul (in MA)
You have really great videos. Between the excellent explanations to the great camera work you and your family are a true testament to the American spirit. I have a question though, What is the meaning of life?
Beautiful good job love the watch you working on it’s very interesting for me to watch keep up the good work
Been there done that didn't need the video to know what you were doing and no there was nothing wrong with using a chisel. Good video Mr O 😊😊
I had a locksmith shop and did many of these. I used a awl with a full tang and punch a dimple and then nudged it around. A center punch will also work but the awl is easier to hold without smashing your fingers. Drilling a hole for an easy-out also works.
Reminds me of my locksmithing days. Great video.
“Roll the windows down! Hallelujah! Oh boy they don’t sound good roll that back up.” 😂
Famous last words as Eric touches the forbidden window and it breaks in his lot.
Hi, Mr. O. I never enjoyed working on the dash. So it was great to watch you do it. I never had to program a key so that was interesting. Thanks for sharing! Stay Healthy!
I love the tinfoil trick. Great stuff. Heck, I still program keys with my ol Autel AP200. Thanks as always, Eric!
Very informative with real life emotions. Just like it always happens to me when I am repairing my cars. Great tips. God bless your shop and keep you safe, Mahalo, JAH
Eric, I'm not sure how tall you are, but you put me in the mind of Doc... The dwarf. There has not been an issue which you have failed to explain in terns we all can understand. Thanks!!!
Eric, Hopefully I will not need to do this, but It's good to know how its done. As always, thank you for sharing your expertise✌
You taught me to do this on a Ford Escape video and it's been smooth sailing, along with Ivan teaching me to use a scan tool and a scope.
Hey, don't forget to swap the faceplate before you mount the...oh, well, that works too. Another great video from SMA. Thanks for being so willing to share your knowledge. From a former locksmith, you can cut the head of that Hondu key apart, and inside is a small rectangular chip. That's what that encoder ring reads for the security system. You can pop that out and it's much easier to duct tape under your dash or the steering column cover if you want to permanently bypass that system.
Thanks for the video, just got me out of trouble in England, first time I have had any issue with the ignition at all. Got the lock/barrel all off and Honda wanted £800 for a new unit so instead I used the key in the lock off the column and a screwdriver in the back section to get me home whilst I wait for a 2nd hand complete lock system from eBay.😅
coming in clutch
being able to perform under extreme pressure
(Derived from the clutch mechanism in a manual car, where perfect timing can mean the difference between a launch and a stall)
You are one of the best channels on UA-cam Mr. SMA!
Great tip re getting the vehicle going to be able to take it somewhere to have keys programmed. Hopefully every vehicle I have will enable me to do this if I am stuck.
It doesn't matter what I am doing now but at the slightest bit of struggle I instinctively blurt out, "COME ON BABY!"
Thanks for the heads up. I'm going through the same thing with my 03 civic. Great job with the video
Better explaining than the other videos
I finally achieved a long-time goal today (September 9) and ordered a South Main Auto t-shirt and sweatshirt. I’m looking forward to October when I am scheduled to receive my order. Then, I will happily represent South Main Auto here in Iowa. 🙂
Well done and thanks.I have a 2003 Honda Civic (Accord on your side of the pond) and it has the same security system as that one your working on. It's been a very reliable car to me.
Memorize this phrase "I don't do Hondas". Ever since I started introducing myself with that phrase, my life has been all smiles and I sleep better.
But.... it's your civic duty!
The more videos similar to this that I watch, the more I appreciate the fact that the newest vehicle I own was built in 1994 and doesn't have any of this "fancy" stuff. It's a 1994 Ford Ranger and the most complicated thing on it, in my opinion, is the efi system. Roll up windows, push down locks and 3 pedals! I had to change the ignition lock cylinder on it once and the hardest part of that job was finding the proper diameter of brass rod to release it. Thank you Ace Hardware hobby section!
I imagine you could still turn the key to the accessory position to release the cylinder. On this car it wouldn't turn at all.
@@fascistpedant758 I could spin it all the way around all day long but there's a lock pin that prevents it from coming out of the column. It's kinda like an old style headlight switch that you have to reach up underneath the dash and push the release button so that the knob and shaft will come out from the front so that you can remove the switch itself from behind.
@@MikeBrown-ii3pt I meant to point out that the lock pin isn't accessible if the key is in the lock position. That was the problem with the CRV.
And I thought I was the only one who uses a 12 " chisel to fix a steering column. I was wrong . Thanks Eric O.
I got the same CRV and will be saving this video to my favorites, just in case I needed in the future. The foil trick was pretty cool
As always great job brother.always enjoy the videos.
You did it the right way! It worked and didn’t require buying a new tool.
Thanks for answering so many questions in advance . Hereto fore I respected the Audi auto, but what a pain to work on ! 3+ hours book time to change a belt is just unbelievable.
Another KEY Presentation from SMA 😎👍🇨🇦
**RIMSHOT** 🥁🥁🥁
Mr O, I haven't watched one video of yours that I didn't enjoy and learn something from. Thanks for the great content. I was sportin my black, South Main Auto shirt this weekend. The chicks were diggin it.............
I truly enjoy your videos. Can't tell you how many times my kiddo wants to know what the heck I'm laughing at 🤣... Thanks for the sense of humor... and of course the skills you share.
It seems to me that it might be a good idea to not shear those mount bolts until you've successfully programmed both keys. That way if you get a bad new ignition or keys that won't program you wont have to do that bolt removal battle again.
Correct ! I never remove them either.
Love your videos best on u tube very informative
I wish dealers were honest
Wow, I saw that big hammer and chisel and instantly thought of Andrew Camarota taking a chain saw to his dash to install a new radio. Cave man indeed! Nice little vid, thank you,, Mr. O. My closing line: "if YOU can do it, then I will get YOU to do it, else it'll be a mess of expletives, cracked plastic and misfit parts".
" you can't see what I'm doing " , ah , the " trust " thing . Hey Eric , don't forget to swap out the parts