Lithuania Remembers The Holocaust
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- Опубліковано 1 лис 2024
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One of the most contested chapters in Lithuania's history is also humanity's darkest - The Holocaust. Lithuania has been accused by some detractors of airbrushing that period of history.
We evaluate to whether this is true, explaining the Lithuanian Holocaust and exploring reasons why Holocaust memory has evolved in the way that it has in that country
In recent times Lithuania's leadership at all levels has taken a firm line, with a new emphasis on Holocaust commemoration, new museums, education reform, and celebrating the Righteous Among Nations.
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I would like to note that biggest exile/deportation by soviets from Lithuania was ~8 days (on 14-17June,1941) before nazi attacked USSR (on 22 June,1941).
Soviets sent to exile families of best people: teachers, medics, priests,...
Of course when nazi came they were looked on as "savers from soviets" and sadly after the deportations there was no sound voice to call for sanity for rest of population.
Let's not forget WHY "Never Again".
Thanks Anzelmas, you raise an important point, and indeed many Jews were included in the deportation you describe. This will be covered a lot more in the history of Lithuania series itself.
15:30 Chiune Sugihara Sakura Park, in Vilnius, established on the right bank of the Neris River next to the National Art Gallery, the Japanese Sakura Park decorates the city with pink blossoms every spring and becomes a centre of attraction for townspeople.
Thank you for not shying away from this topic.
Like i see in comments biggest problem in LT that people put holocoaust opposite deportations, saying that some jews were involved in deportationas(that is true,) and final argument is that that jews are same like lithuanians couse they made LT people deportations and nations like now equal, both are bad . I think for final reconcile we need to say : yes there were lots and lots of jew killers, it were our grand parents and this was evil and : yes, some of jew people, wich was in high rankings of soviet NKVD, that brutaly suppressed Lithuanias fight for freedom. Both nazi and soviet regimes were brutal and destructive, there is no need to argue wich is more evil. Result is terrible we lost hundred of thousand our fellow citizens, no matter nationality.
There does seem to be a kind of persecution jealousy. I don't understand it. The loss of Jews was a loss to the Lithuanian nation, just as the losses were under Soviet occupation and repression. The bottom line is your last sentence, and I 100% agree with it.
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About holocaust in Lithuania I think are one problem. We speaking about holocaust more, than about our own genocide in soviet union. Which creates a quite unfairness sense.
I prefer Tomas Venclovas term „stratocide“ rather than genocide as it wasn’t directed against all Lithuanians. Nevertheless both terrible events should be remembered in respect to the victims and not be weighted against each other.
@@most513 in long terms it was genocide. Because the goal was delete the identity and assimilate. Also the minor lithuanians was wipe out at all. The holocaust is important and I agree as the second of importance after lithuanian genicide, but not as equal, because it is not lithuanians fault. Also the lithuanians have much smaller population, so he loses was much painful to us, that to jews.
And also in my opinion the difference between lithuanians and jews. That how much optimistic we look the lithuanians is are dying nation, and the jews not.
@@irov5892 I dont think we should count Lithuanians and jews as very different groups. Jews in Lithuania were really culturally as lithuanians, they created and thrived in loads of cities, they were as lithuanian as its possible to be lithuanian. Holocaust was very bad for all Lithuania, not just the jews.
It depends from which view we looking. If we talk about jews which lived in Lithuanian and was Litvaks, yes they was part of lithuanians community. But talking about all jews, it is quite different, and don`t forget the jews lived not only in Lithuania, but in all Europe and in other countries and in bigger numbers, which from this point is not equal. Also looking at Lithuanian, from holocaust we lost about 150-200k people, from soviets we lost about 1 million, which was teachers, soldiers, politics ant others intellectuals. It means, that we lose all our best people, all who can create, all who can make our culture richer.
I was just in Lithuania for a conference and, before attending, saw where my Jewish great grandparents came from. I told many of Lithuanians, and Polish at the conference for that matter, and their response was very positive. These people understand the dangers of antisemitism which, in Western Europe and North America, is unfortunately on the rise. I can say that they appear to be better educated on the subject over there than in my native Canada for example. These countries have changed and the younger generation who I met especially understands what happened and are pro-Israel today. My opinion is it's important that we remember the Holocaust but not hold it against the people living in these countries today. They welcome Jews and especially ones who are trying to reconnect with their roots.
Ninth Fort memorial. When I saw it in person it left lasting impression on me.
Also "Stahlecker wrote that he had succeeded in covering up actions of the Vorkommando (German vanguard unit) and made it look like an initiative of the local population"
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Great video. It would be great to hear about the history of the Jews pre-1900s in Lithuania.
I look forward to the response from your Israeli friends. You did your homework and it will be interesting to hear why (or if) they still think Lithuania is remembering the Holocaust in a way that is not appropriate.
circling back, glad to hear the Israeli friend feedback was positive... and that in general this sensitive topic has been met with measured and considered responses.... that comes from the top. Well done.
Just short notice, Lithuania didn't had any SS units. I may be mistaken, but I think all other countries occupied by Germany had SS units.
Lithuania had big Units Collaboratig with German SS . They killed thausends of Polisn people
@E P You are correct. Latvia and Estonia had local Waffen SS units formed but Lithuania did not.
Regarding the topic of this video- we do not forget and are not proud of this tragic segment in history of Lithuania. Some lithuanians did colaborate with nazis in killing jews and I'm sorry that happened. It was a horrible crime.
Yet- I do not feel personal guilt for what some grandfathers and great grandfathers did. Children are not to be blamed for the crimes of their parents so stop salting the wounds. Remember to ensure it won't happen again.
Poland did not have SS units, and the Jedwabne controversey that dogs Poland to this day seems to be a microcosm of what Crispin describes as happening across Lithuania. It relates to alleged retribution by local Poles against Jewish inhabitants who welcomed and collaborated with the invading Soviets. When the Germans arrived, the tables were turned. It appears likely that the murders that ensued were carried out by the Germans, but it has been conveniently recast as a pogrom by the usual suspects.
Poland suffered under both the Russian and German boot and did loose its independence. They just did not collaborate with the Germans like the Litwins did.
Einsatzgruppen from the Ukraine for brought to Lithuania and Democratic socialists from Lithuania were sent to the Ukraine
@@Tar1ff They killed Polish ethnic people too (about 20.000 in Ponary)
Not to poop on your party too much, but there are a couple of modern contentions worth mentioning.
1. Is the commemoration of forest brothers allegedly involved in pogroms or having expressed antisemitic ideals in their writings. Personally this issue doesn't bother me too much. After all, there were around 30k active "forest brothers" and around 100k collaborators. In a population of this size you would find a couple of antisemites even today. So I say fuck em (the forest brother involved in pogroms if that wasn't clear). But ofcourse this is being spun by certain political forces as an attack of the Lithuanian independence movement. And is stirring up some discontent towards the Jewish community.
2. is much less relevant, but more recent. It's what to do with the sports palace which was built on an old Jewish cemetery. The government can't make up it's mind on what to do with it, and once again people feel that this is due to the pressure from the Jewish community.
Generally there is some antisemitism in Lithuania, but find me a country where that doesn't exist (except maybe Israel). It is also getting better. There used to be neo-nazi organisations like skydas, which de facto is pretty much dead today. Probably moved to UK for better wages in chicken factories. But I think general sentiment in Lithuania is "I don't care" (although people might correct me on this). But most people (that I know) feel that it's something that happened a long time ago, and not only to the Jews. And of course most people will remember stuff that happened to their own families much more, so the Jewish holocaust doesn't get as much attention.
Yes, there are lingering challenges although I am positive about where Lithuania is and its direction. I know about the sports palace - though I take a kinder view. Lithuania was occupied by the Soviet Union for 40 years. Education about the Holocaust was highly distorted. It's not something that can be fixed overnight.
Against Bolsheviks yes against Jews no
we also have to admit that many jews accepted soviet occupation and have to be qualified as political not ethnical victims. Although, no excuse to anti-Semitism and holocaust