Indian vs. Harley-Davidson! Am I Switching?
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- Опубліковано 7 кві 2021
- I compare an Indian Challenger to a Harley Road Glide in this video and tell you what you need to know if you are considering purchasing either. We were fortunate to have this Indian Challenger for a few weeks and filmed a complete 12" handlebar and heated grips install on it. A detailed tutorial video will release eventually, so you can save money and do this project yourself.
I ride a 2018 police Harley Electra Glide with the Milwaukee-Eight 107 ci air-cooled V-Twin engine for my day job so I can loosely compare it to the new Powerplus 108 ci liquid-cooled engine coming in the Indian Challenger. I also ride my Harley Street Glide Special with the 103 ci engine off-duty many thousands of miles a year along with other bikes. I am also a police motorcycle instructor and I hope all of this qualifies me to review and compare the Indian to the Harley-Davidson.
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Hey Ryan, I'm a Challenger owner, former Street Glide owner. The Challenger is hands down the better bike for performance, handling and value. The GPS works without paying for it. What you have to pay for is the weather overlay and traffic if you want it.
This is not a review, this is a comparison between the Indian Challenger and the Harley Road Glide. I think it sounded very bias towards the Harley, sorry Ryan.
Agreed, the challenger is a better bike for the price in my opinion.
I 100% agree.
Correct. When you're downplaying obvious benefits of one versus the other it no longer is a comparison.
Polaris is in the same league as are all the japanese brands. Harleys are precious metals 😂😂
Yeah... He said "this is my opinion".
I own a 19 Street Glide. If I had to chose between a Road Glide and a Challenger, I'd chose the Challenger. For big guys the ergonomics on Indians is better. The Indian feels more balanced.
Not to mention price' and POWER!
And features like key fob for saddle bags, windshield that goes up and down etc.
@@renatooi88If you want an up down windshield on a harley. That will be 5k please.
@@Kashmirknight Exactly 😂
Nice to have enough power to pass too.
Indian/Polaris is definitely testing my loyalty to Harley! Each bike they come out with gets better and better! The Challenger, the 22 Chief ... I think Indian is winning the non-Harley purchaser that Harley, because of their aging base, needs to capture!
problem is how long before they go bye bye like victory?
@@AC16 they won't Polaris has deep pockets n Indian is a marquee name that they can build on..good luck Harley ..😀
@@AC16 Victory was never really successful. Unlike HD, Indian is turning a profit and increasing market share every year.
How do you know this? Polaris never reveals their profit with the Indian. They list all of their products as Powersports.
@@alfonsodennis8450 They release their profits in every 10-k, they just don't release unit sales numbers.
Both Iconic brand names - yeah - I know the story! But I’ve had 5 Harleys - enjoyed ‘em…..but I’m giving Indian a shot because I like their approach, attitude and styling so far 😎
Did you get your Indian yet? I got a Springfield Vintage Dark Horse and it’s my favorite bike I’ve had…by far.
Ryan. The challenger comes with CarPlay. Why bother using the baked in gps when you can use Apple maps or Google maps?
Because Google Maps and Apple Maps do not have some of the route filters that are needed for motorcycles like avoid unpaved roads.
@@jam471975 You can use Google Map Maker and filter out unpaved roads.
Plus, there are other map apps available that have more options than either Indian or Harley, like TomTom - which you can use with Apple Car Play or Android Auto.
Plus using CarPlay uses your phone for service not gps. So if you don’t have cell service you don’t have gps. With gps you will never lose service no matter where you are. I use my phone for gps and connect to my helmet headset and there are lots of times I don’t have cell signal so I have no gps. Dedicated gps is always better.
@@joedangelo5640 you do realize that Google map maker went end-of-life in 2017 right? And it would be pretty difficult to use Google map maker when you're on the bike. Most of the time I uses maps is randomly when I'm already on the bike. As much as I hate Harley Maps there is just somethings it does better than other mapping app.
@@jam471975 sorry... "My Maps" by Google. And, you can import gpx files. Plus, like I said before - TomTom app works with carplay.
Beyond that, the navigation on an Indian is free for life, you pay (after 2 years) for the weather and traffic updates.
Great video and great work, Ryan. It’s videos like this - and a significant number of views - that force Indian, and subsequently Harley, to make a better product. Great way to use your voice. Thanks!
I appreciate that!
Great, professional and fair assessment Ryan .. I'm sharing the video on our Screaming Banshee Facebook page! Thank you for a wonderful video!
Awesome thank you!
You are wrong. You can control the complete functions of the ride command without touch screen. You have the trigger buttons as well.
I am a french biker and I can tell you that I will never buy an other bike than Harley, I'll love it since twenty years now, I am 62 years old, I own three Harleys and I hope they will drive me till the end of my life...
Harley for ever... for ever Harley...
Thank you Ryan for your videos .
Yeah, Harley Davidson preys on people like you lol
@@joevsfood 👍
@@carolinarider5237 no disrespect brother. I have four Harleys. But I just switched to Indian and I am not looking back.
@@joevsfood none taken. I'm agreeing with you. If I ever buy other bike it will a Indian.
@@joevsfood and @Carolina Rider, no disrespect too, I prefer Hraley for the look, the rumble, the tradition and the customisation possibilities...
g'day from down under, great review mate, honest and straight to the point, best review on the challenger i have seen in a while. I love the look of the challenger, but love my harley more!
Shout out down under! Thanks
Had several bikes in the past like Yamaha 1900, Stratoliner. than I tested HD Road glide and street glide, but after I tested Indian Chieftain limited I falling in love with Indian. Very nice handling and smooth driving 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼🤘🏼
And you have power to pass more than one car at a time.
Love the channel. Thanks.
Lots and lots of cons in your review. Frankly, the electronic screen, ride modes and suspension are far superior. I was also surprised with your assessment of the brakes. I don’t think there is a comparison between the two and hope Harley upgrades and invests further.
Lastly, I’m 6’5” and the Indian seat is so superior. Also love their tank. The tear drop is a tired, tired design.
hmm my factory Brembos havent give me any negatives yet, hope they dont. 19 Ultra Limited....as far as performance the Goldwing will spank both.
@@waynephillips5741 Happy with factory Brembos too
-------------------- a tired tired tired design is having only 2 cylinders.....a Indian of 1940 or a Henderson of 1930 were american motorcycles that a HD could NEVER measure up to ....to this day.... hey Ryan ....V- twin .... two too few....period.
@@waynephillips5741 They spank hard too 😂. I've been looking at those F6Bs. Man, good looking long azz bikes. I didn't like the style change in 18 as much but they're still really beautiful machines.
You do a bike evaluation like I do! Great job. Great bike too. Just, well, not a Harley. I came from many, many years on a gold wing. Oddly the Indian touring bikes remind me a lot of what the wings used to be. The Harley has some huge disappointments (suspension etc) but there are numerous aftermarket fixes.
I love how you showed the TCS irl because most people doing reviews dont do it so you have to find out yourself as soon as you have the bike. :) thx for this nice vid and infos
This was very well made great job!! You missed many things tho..
The triggers on the bars to help navigate the ride command.
There is a ton of aftermarket windshields and other stuff
Crash bars only come on limited
The extra cost on navigation is for live weather and live traffic use..
To get the limited in HD (power, locking bags, rdrs ext) you would have to buy the CVO..
GREAT JOB THOUGHT I WOULD CLEAR SOME OF THAT UP..
Exactly. Hope his audience reads comments to get the facts straight.
Great review been years since been on that canyon road. 🤓😎 nice. Harley does need to step up there game with things. 😎🏍💨💨💨💨💨👍🏻🇨🇦
Great review, couple comments
1. Nav will always work even after 2 years. The two year limit you spoke about is for the Weather and Traffic overlay on the nav.
2. You can run the touch screen from the bars there are toggles on the back side of the controls on your trigger fingers.
3. You can Bluetooth & WiFi sync nav maps.
Look forward to hearing what you think after a long time review.
The standard does not come with navigation. It throws a screen asking you to contact the dealer.
@@RyanUrlacher Yeah, the nav on the base is an upgrade...$500 I think. Admittedly, I have 2018 Chieftain with Nav and after 3 years I have yet to even use it other than to watch for hard curves on unknown roads.
@@RyanUrlacher You can purchase the GPS for additional $500 on the base model. The subscription you are referring to is for Live weather overlay and Live traffic after 2 yrs.
I'm glad someone mentioned this. Pay-to-play premium services are pretty standard, two years to decide if you like it and want to pay for it. I love my RM, but I really wish Indian would give a Satellite Radio option, I think that is my biggest gripe with the setup.
Really great video coverage in this. Nice work.
Thanks a ton!
You didn't talk about the differences in Liquid cooled vs the Air cooled? This is why I watch your clips!!! Outstanding!!!
I don’t have a challenger or road glide but I traded my ultra for a Road Master. The Indian has a so much better ride I had to trade. Glad I did!!
have heard the same from many harley riders who have moved to indian they all rave about the ride is so much better than their harley
I rode the new roadmaster limited today at a demo ride. It did feel and ride nice. It felt tiny compared to my ultra limited. The infotainment screen was moving up and down during the ride which was concerning to me. Grabbed it with my hand but it felt tight? It did ride well a little bit stiff. The power was good but not as smooth as my ultra limited. Not enough of a difference for me to trade.
I change the windshield height on my Roadmaster almost every ride. I can look over it or through it depending on conditions. It's like you have 6 windshields in one so why would you need aftermarket ?
I'll never go back to a fixed shield.
Virtually every manufacturer that offers a touring line puts power shield on as standard. HONDA, BMW, KAWASAKI, YAMAHA, INDIAN, VICTORY.
Agreed , its about knees in the breeze no matter the make. Also agree HD has a much more established dealer network.
I used the power window on every ride on my Roadmaster, and I use the power window on my Challenger every ride. It's only a "gimmick" until you ride with one through a thunderstorm on a highway, and then go back into stop and go traffic in a city.
@@danielstewart7732 agreed! My passenger loves it too. at full up, Causes the air to go over her helmet instead of punching her in the face. Another scenario , go through a pressure/temp change and fog collects on the shield. The ONLY people that I EVER heard dismiss the power shield, ride a brand that doesn't offer them. Yeah, it's a big deal. Btw, there is only one brand that makes a touring line that doesn't offer it. Ride modes are also a big deal. I never thought I would say that before I had ride modes. (again, only one brand dragging their feet on this feature)
I actually had one on an older Honda. Never used it. Just left it up. I prefer to get a more precise windshield with proper flow for me. Just my opinion and experience as stated.
@@RyanUrlacher you're entitled to that brother
Love this review the best. Very thorough. Loved the traction control test.
Glad you liked it!
Another great video Ryan. We appreciate it!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I agree 100%...It should come with standard crash bars! Great review and now I have some info to take back to the dealer and see what they're reaction is when I bring up some of these points.
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@@RyanUrlacher I really appreciate your responses. 👍
Forgot to mention that Indian Challenger has top of the line front investors suspensions , a mono rear suspension which help the geometry of the bike when taking corners, plus top of the line brembo break, oilcooler so that engine won't cook your legs on a long trip, and yes I want power on my Touring bike because when I'm riding with my wife and our bags I definitely need power to move that weight .
Exactly, he completely skipped everything that makes the Challenger perform better than the RG in every way. I care more about the engine, suspension, brakes, chassis, more so than navigation. This guy is clearly a HD fan and that's fine, but lay all the facts on the table.
Definitely agree the crash bar should be included. beautiful bike, and newer tech engine.
The boombox is not only touch screen. There are manual controls as well. I went back and forth between the two bikes as well before I made my decision to go with a 2019 Road Glide Special. The 114 with a Stage II torque cam and a suspension upgrade to Legends (front and rear) performs just as well. I couldn't get away from the HD community, the waaaaaay bigger support system in terms of dealerships on long hauls. Finally, the style (personal preference) just "did it for me" with the HD. I was/am a big fan of the Challenger and think Indian has a great product. But I just love my Road Glide. Stay safe, brother.
The new Boom Box GTS (2019 and newer) is all touch screen. As mentioned, there are toggles on each handlebar. The older Boom Box had touch screen and soft buttons.
@@RyanUrlacher yeah man, I made that comment just before you mentioned the toggles, to which is what I was referring. My bad. Safe safe brother.
But…as you say, had to add aftermarket cams and suspension to “perform just as well”. For the price Harley wants, shouldn’t have to shell out potentially thousands to rise to Indian’s bar. And this is coming from an Ultra Limited owner.
Thank-you for all your hard work in putting these videos together! Great vid and good points! Great work Brother!💙 Enjoyed the slow circles! 💥💫
Rock on!!
Good review Ryan. As for the Harley audio system id rather have an aftermarket system installed than the boom box. I have friends with both and the boom box guys would get aftermarket if they had to do it again. Myself, I was in a toss-up between buying a Harley heritage classic V107 or the Indian super chief limited. I test rode them both & I ended up getting a 2020 harley heritage classic V107 in vivid black. The Indian is beautiful and rode nicely. I don't have anything bad to say about the bike but my dream bike was a harley and finally got a brand new one. If i thought the Indian all around rode better it would have been a very tough decision but it didn't ride better. My issue with Indian itself is the lack of dealerships.
This is an excellent review! It’s a detailed review and hits the details most riders want to hit.
Thanks so much!
I really enjoy my 2019 Springfield Dark Horse but never have ridden an HD so I can’t say one is better. Just comes down to personal preference.
I have owned both. 2015 Road Glide then the 2020 Challenger and this year went back to 2021 Road Glide. For me it was style more than anything. I felt like the Challenger was a great performing bike just lacked style (my opinion before everyone tires to jump on my back) you have your's I'm entitled to mine). Both great bikes in different ways. I grew up in the HD family so I suppose for me there is some degree of brand loyalty. Oh and BTW there is resale to consider!
Solid review Ryan; thanks for taking the time to put it up. I'll stay with my 2018 SGS HD.
That was a fair review. I must agree with your points Ryan. Either-or. your getting wind on the knee's. PS....I don't want to be looking at a screen while riding. Some are getting to busy for my needs. Eyes on the road.
Enjoy your video as always. I did not notice you talking about the difference in the seats that would be nice, also it just might be me but when I buy a motorcycle I want to know how much heat is coming off the engine. Thanks for the video
Stock seat in the video. It was like all stock seats and will need to be changed for any serious long distance touring. Just like Harley seats.
Test rode the Challenger and then the RGS after meeting with you in Sturgis last year. Stayed with Harley but traded in 2 of my bikes to get the Road Glide Limited. Bumped up to the 131 kit before taking delivery and it’s a beast.
I bet! My dad has a '12 Ultra Classic with the 120R. Dyno'd at 141 hp and 140 ft-lbs, which moves that bike really well. Most fun bagger I've ridden.
Is it still together?
@@rickseibel5904 my dad's 120R is, still running great.
That scenery is amazing!😎
Amazing indeed. Where did you shoot the video? Thanks.
Ryan, I consider myself a newbie in the riding. I only log about 30k a year on two wheels, the past 10 years or so. Learning from guys like you with so much more experiance is always a blessing. Thank you for all you do to keep us thinking, informed and connected with the good gear. I have an HD street glide special in the US. I ride a BMW 1200 and a Honda 750NCS as a city bike in Europe where I live primarly and your content is so helpful. I am sorry for the jerks who will hate on this video becuase you rode something other than the “true” american iron horse. Riding is a lifestyle, and I absolutely love how you model that for us younger riders. Blessings brother and keep up the great content. I will agree with some of the comments you seem a bit slanted toward the Harley, but hey ….. I am tilted toward my smaller lighter bike in Athens Greece for lane spliting! You were very honest that your opinion was your opinion. Thanks for the review.
Thank you so much for the kind words. They are truly appreciated!
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I like HD Breakout a lot. So, I went to visit a local HD dealership and they wanted to charge me a lot over MSRP. So, I eventually bought a 1/12 scale model and I have become a happy owner now ever since.
Great video! I respect what Indian is putting on the road but there will never be a replacement for a Harley!
your maintenance costs will always be way higher then the Indian , Guaranteed .
Brad, that's been proven to be bunk. Cost of maintenance and repair of the baggers, Indian to Harley, is higher for Indian.
NIce. I"ve always had my eyes on the Chieftain. I feel like they look pretty sweet. But I do like my Ultra!
I'll tell you what. I've had plenty of rides with guys I know with Harleys, people come up to look at our bikes, don't give a damn about the HDs with the Indian sitting there.
Did you deactivate the rear cylinder deactivation for the throttle blip?... it is a feature to help with rear cylinder heat when stuck in traffic...It completely shuts off the rear cylinder at idle. But you can deactivate it in the menus.
Outstanding video angles! I owned a 2020 Harley Electra standard and after installing three different sets of performance mufflers, stage one download, stage on air filter assembly, and after test riding a stock Indian Challenger my Harley 107 engine felt anemic in comparison. I traded my 2020 Electra Glide Standard in at the Harley dealership for a used 2019, Road Glide Ultra with a 114-inch engine in it. Even after a Woods cam, dyno-tuned Power Vision, fuel tuner, Fuel Moto, RTX two into one exhaust, Ventilator air filter, the stock Challenger felt ' SO MUCH FASTER ' from 3,500-4,000 RPMs. , gains RPM's much faster than my 114-inch Harley, easier to pick up off of the side stand, and I can take a curve much faster than I can on my 2019 Road Glide Ultra. The mono-shock on the Challenger is made by Fox and has more travel and rides over rough roads much better than a 2020 Harley Road Glide. The inverted forks on the Challenger take fast curves much better than the 2020 Road Glide.
better bike for less money. My Harley wobbles when I go 70 mph and I hit a sharp bump. Its little scary.
@@mrsvetly On my Dyna, yours might be the same, the rear Swingarm is bolted to the engin/transmission. Not the Frame. Thats INSANE. I wish i noticed that before i bought or i never would have. When the engine mounts wear out the rear wheel moves around like crazy and becomes DANGEROUS. Check your motor mounts...
You a bike police instructor that cool I see now 😊
pretty sure their is 2 more triggers on the backside of the controls you missed for navigating and using the stuff on the screen as well!
Great review!
This bike has so much Victory DNA. As a former Victory owner I like nearly everything on it (from what I’ve seen) the fairing has taken a while for me to warm up to but it’s getting there for me.
I would say if you’re coming from sport bikes and want more comfort when touring this or a Victory Cross bike might be a great fit, if you have always loved Harleys then obviously you would probably prefer a bike with the suffix “glide”.
Again thanks for making a quality review with both your likes and dislikes and relevant comparisons to Harley.
Sold my batwing and got my first Road Glide. Love that 2021 114. Love the ride on a shark nose.
How are you enjoying the masive 75 hp?
@@darrinburnet1477 it's as eligible for a speeding ticket as everyone else...
Great review. Indian makes a good looking bike. As you have said,I wouldn’t give up my Harley, but I’d have one of each if money were no object!
Thanks, Ryan!
U betcha!!
absolutely love the challenger!!
Great review Ryan. Many thanks from the UK. ......
Very thorough review!
Most reviews seem to miss the excellent suspension and the annoying handlebar vibration and throttle lag.
Glad you noted that it is silly to have a dresser in that price range with no protection from highway bars.
This is a great machine with good power and Indian/Polaris needs to finish the platform. Maybe a color option other than black or grey without the extra $5K price tag couldn't hurt.
Thanks for all your work. Ride Safe!
Thanks for weighing in!
Switched from a 2015 harley street glide special to a 2019 Indian chieftain limited and no regrets.
A 2019 street glide would be a big upgrade too lol
Nice overview and comparison. I'm still leaning towards the Indian Challenger myself, mainly for the little nit-picks and personal preferences that you didn't like ( Turn signal switch, Water cooled, Windshield). To each their own, stay safe!
Challenger is a great bike.
@@RyanUrlacher You dont look like a young Guy...So i can talk real with you...Ive owned Metrics...a Victory...and 2 HD's...I am not impressed with electronic gadgets...I only look at the Basics of what Motorcycles are...If Indian makes a Bike with A plain windshield Leatherhard Bags with the Challenger Engine....Comprable to the Hertiage Classic Softail for under 20K...I would consider switching...
Thanks for the honest review Ryan
Absolutley!
I did a demo ride on it and I really enjoyed the ride. Only problem I had with the bike was that the ride was too short. Really nice bike. I agree Ryan buy a sportbike if ya fly down the road. This bike great for touring. 👍
It’s a personal thing with what you want to ride , I will stay with my HD thanks Ryan
U betcha
@@RyanUrlacher obviously you are VERY BIASED and like the harley wobbleson better who cares . same old PROBLEMS , SUMPING ISSUES, BAD CAM PLATE cheaply made cast design . so you have to spend thousands of dollars to fix harleys mistakes cause they know you will . poor in denial H.D . guy's
I don’t know where brad gets his information from but I definitely haven’t had the issues he’s referring to , I guess he’s a H-D hater
Ryan nice review, the Dark Horse in matt grey looks better 😜👍🏻
The base model challenger comes in black and that matte grey this year....that matte grey looks awesome
Excellent review Ryan. I’m at this point in my choice. Thank you.
Good luck!!
Can you please do a comparison review of new Harley Road glide limited and Indian Road master Limited. Your thoughts of the two I am torn trying to decide I also like the Harley Ultra.
I thought the windshield was gimmicky too at first, but after thousands of miles I use it everyday. Up on the highway down in town. I am running a Klockwerks Windshield which I love the looks of.
Nice review, learned a few things I didn't know about the challenger. For me it's missing some things I really enjoy. Like lowers, crash bars and tourpack. I ride an ultra limited which seems like the perfect touring bike. Have it dialed in pretty good after stage 2. Still would like to upgrade the seat and suspension though. Update! I got a chance to demo ride both the challenger and roadmaster. Loved the clutch and overall ride. They felt really nimble and fit me well as a smaller rider. Both bikes need some attention to the tuning and audio. Not enough to make me trade my ultra limited. It was a good time fun bikes for sure..good job indian
Look at the roadmaster then you compare apples to apples
@@barendfourie6687 I really like the new roadmaster limited. Felt light fit me well.
I rode a Challenger last year out of curiosity. It actually was pretty smooth with lots of power. I couldn't get over the looks, very plasticky and the controls looked just like those from the Polaris Slingshot.
Rented a big Indian once. The 2 things I liked were the saddlebags that locked with the clicker like virtually every car made in the last 20 years and I also liked the electric windshield that goes up & down. That said, I have a Harley and will probably not be switching
Love those Indian motorcycles!
They just keep getting better and better!!
@@GiancarloBenzina , Can’t agree, I’ve owned and ridden Harleys since 1972. Both for pleasure and work.
Made it through the time when AMF had their foot on Harley-Davidson, until they got away from AMF with the help of then President Regan.
I’m glad to see both Indian and Harley-Davidson both on American roads. It’s good for the country that they are.
I ride a 2017 Indian road master now and have 41 thousand trouble free seasonal miles on it so far and I’m pretty sure 50 thousand miles will be on the odometer by this fall.
Polaris/Indian has only been in existence for 7 model years.
They are doing a terrific job with their line up of bikes.
I get questionnaires from Indian every year asking what they can do to improve their line of motorcycles.
I like that. It’s good business.
It’s been a tough year for HD.
They dropped their CVO line this year and didn’t come out with their 2021 model line until January/February of this year.
However, I don’t want Harley-Davidson to go under! On the contrary, I want them to do well and thrive even.
Like is said, it’s good for America that two historical and well known iconic American names are back on American roads together again👍
I test rode the Challenger and loved it. I owned Road Glides for 10 years but I really liked the Challenger a lot. It was much better in some ways but HD still has a few pros in its corner too. There isn't a clear winner, it all comes down to what the riders priorities are IMHO.
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Good video Ryan keep them coming. The jacket you are wearing does that have armor in the shoulder and elbows?
Yes ==. www.lawabidingbiker.com/revit-worker-overshirt/
Ryan, what helmet brand and model are you wearing. Looking for a modular and want to check yours out. Tks!
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Shoei neotec
I couldn't decide between the HD or Challenger. So I bought a Victory cross country.
Nice!
Good choice
You absolutely can't go wrong with a Victory. By the way the Challenger was designed and patented by Victory Motorcycle. But then they developed the original Chief / Chieftain line as well, right down to the art deco R2D2 fairing on the old tube steel framed Victory Touring Cruiser platform which was discontinued in 2006, so they've been around for a minute.
Awesome!!! I have a Victory Vision, virtually indestructible. I Love My Bike. I'm a left leg amputee and I can't stay off it... Ride Safe...
@@gregoryjohnson4319 you're not a left-leg amputee, you're a gosh dang beast. Keep it up bro
Ryan your video title said am I switching? I’m guessing no. Lol
i’m thinking, Indian will have to come out with a badass police bike to get Ryan interested! 🤣
Great video. The Challenger gives you the best of both worlds; performance in a touring package.
3 Drive modes with stability control with IMU STANDARD for safety. Which includes cornering ABS and Cornering Traction control.
The Challenger fairing is closer to a Kawasaki Vaquero
Loved the video. Good work. Test rode both HD RGS and the Challenger summer of '20. Ended up with HD. Different overall feel. The engine and transmission sounds, the vibration on the bars and the seat. Liked Harley better. Never rode HD or Indian before. Or any cruisers. Now I understand the Harley culture.
Thanks for sharing!
Cool to go slow great womans bike.
How's the MPG? I'm achieving 50+ mpg on my Road Glide Special now that it's broke in at 30 K..Thanks for the video!!
Great video! Pluses & minus for each as a comparison should be.
Glad you liked it!
Ryan thanks for a great review. I'm with you about the looks and styling of the Indian. I'm on my second Harley ('20 CVO Limited) and prefer the way they look.
I have a 2020 Roadmaster. There is no charge ever for GPS. There is charge after 2 years only if want to keep the live traffic and live weather overlay which I believe HD also does not even offer.
All good to know! Thank you Ryan.
Any time!
Also think about there are so many more Harley dealerships and add on items you can get. I do most miner repairs myself without having to remove all that plastic they on the other bikes especially the Honda Gold wing and thank you for your video on replacing your brake fluid
Is that a 2020? If so do the firmware update and the gps will work better. My honest opinion... hands down the challenger is better then the roadglide and streetglide. There's no comparison unless confirmation bias is influencing the buyers decision. I was in the market for a new bike. Tried both Harley street glide and road glide and the cheiftain dark horse. All 3 felt small but the Cheiftain was a better motorcycle then the harleys. I'm 6 feet. When i rode the challenger it was amazing. The challenger does have room for improvement. I agree with your take on the throttle response. It can be improved. Lloydz has that solved with the Ecu flash but that's an extra $600. On the flip side Harleys have bigger issues with crank runout, sump issues, etc. Not to mention harley changed their crank runout specs as to minimize warranty claims. Harley doesn't value their riders. By the time you reach their runout specs for warranty your out of warranty. Misinformation or confirmation bias is the name of the game if someone buys a harley. It is the lesser bike in 2021...by a longshot. Harlys do have beautiful paint jobs. I'll give them that.
Seems like the Indian would be closer to the Gold Wing as far as aftermarket and support.
You nailed it right at the end...aftermarket! You can really build a HD from a catalog and there isn't much out there to make the bike yours...I would still buy one I think though...
One question for you...where are you riding during this test? It looks amazing!
Just started following you. Great content and videos. Where are you located? The scenery is stunning!
Thanks for the sub! Eastern Washington State near Yakima
At the end of the day, I still prefer Harley. On a preference issue, I'm in the Niagara Falls, Ont area and I believe the closest Indian is 2 hours away... that's a turn off for me..
And that’s the only reason I’d buy a Harley. Bad enough that there’s only one triumph service center near me
My #1 complaint on my '19 H-D RoadGlide Special is the factory speakers. For the price point of this bike, the speaker volume are total crap. Volume / power is woefully inadequate if you are moving past 45 mph. At highway speeds I just turn it off. The speakers are too far forward for the set up and output. With a 3/4 or full face helmet, don't bother turning it on. This bike should come standard with an updated Boom amp and speakers and 4 of them. I am running the Stage 1 kit with SE slip ons so that is not the cause of the speaker quality.
Now this I can agree on. I had to upgrade my system to a HogTunes kit that has 2 front speakers and a 2x200 amp (which also powers the rear speakers but you lose the fader) and I separately purchased rear speakers for the Tour Pak and installed myself (easy). All in all I had to fork out $900 and $200 for a total of $1100 out-of-pocket to upgrade the useless stock audio.
Great shots. Was that Naches or Yakima river? 509/360/425/253 wants to know. ;)
I'm on a 16 Chieftain Dark Horse. Previous bike was a Victory. Never owned a Harley but like you said, if money wasn't an option I'd have one of each. I really miss not having a dealer network and the people networking that Harley has developed over the years. My dealer is outstanding and close by so I'm fortunate there. Otherwise, like you said, everything else is just personal preference for a couple of bikes made to do the same job.
The challenger is amazing, just wish it was a different name from the space shuttle that blew up.
😂
Hadn't thought of that. Good one.
I remember that day!
Should be called the DOMINATOR because it truly is
Any words on support?
One of the best things about touring on a Harley is pulling into the nearest dealership for tires and oil change. No appointment needed.
I talk about it in the video. Check it out
No appt needed? Idk what Harley dealers you go to but I’ve never seen one that doesn’t need an appt for service lmao.
@@coop4274 all over the country. I've never made an appointment.
Have you noticed how many Harley Davidson dealerships have close this past year?
@@RoadKing05FLHR I’ve never seen a dealership that would take you in for service without having an appt. it just doesn’t work that way. If that was how they did it they’d be swamped and never get anything done. Or your bike would sit there all day waiting for them to get a time slot open to do it lol. They don’t have 50 techs just sitting around waiting for people to drive in for service. Lol
I was just wondering where this video was filmed. looked like a great place to ride. Reminds me of parts of Idaho.
Around the greater Yakima, WA area
Great video Ryan.
Thanks!
Well said, Long Live Harley Davidson....👍👍👍🇦🇺
U mention no crashbar etc, but u don't mention how much it costs to get the same HP comparison to the Challeger!
The cost is comparable within $10-$20 if you’re adding front and rear. But my friend waited 3 months for his. Mine were here in 3 days. He also waited months for a tour pack. Mine was here in 3 weeks. He has had his bike back in the shop twice already for issues running correctly. Apparently had something to do with the tune they did. The dealer network and parts availability is very slim in his experience. Also had to go to two different dealers before he got any decent service while shopping and to get a test ride. Obviously that will vary wildly dealer to dealer. Polaris makes a good bike, but has a long way to go on the back end in my eyes. For me, Paint, fit and finish, cheap feeling plastic, resale value, gimmicky BS, and let’s not forget the god-awful looks. Yeah. I’m happy here I’m at.
@@DOHC91GLI Well, I got rid of my Harleys becuase I got tired of them breaking down all the time.I would travel a 100 miles pass many dealers due to how bad the service department were on the dealer near me. Got tire of the my brakes and clutch giving out on hot summer days. I live in South Florida and commute everyday. The stock suspension is garbage. Harley run hot and like shit in stock configuration. I never heard of a company that makes a product and pitches you to buy the extended warranty with the fear that it will break down, thus Dealer support network. By the way, have you heard about the M8 Oil sumping issue that Harley will never fix becuase they know their fan boy customers will upgrade it to the S&S part. Does this sound familiar -"Yes, This part failed, we can install the same part back in but it will most likely fail again down the road, but if you install the stage 2 or CVO version it will be golden. That's why my 15 plus years of Harley ownership will be no more.
Ryan I studied this thing for a year its got its pros and cons like all makes. What I didn't do before buying the exact model and color your testing was check the accessories and prices. They are ridiculous on there prices ie: rear sissy bar and back rest 900.00 ?? Then the other stuff crash bars passenger foot boards etc. And the limited amou!nt of accessories. But it rides great very comfy. 47 years riding HDs. I traded my 17 Tri - Glide in on the Indian, HD Tri-glide biggest pos I ever owned.Thank you Ryan for your review and your service!!!
Thanks for the comments Dave.
What was wrong with the triglide?
FYI you mentioned you had a problem muting the sound system if you press the volume button straight in once it mutes and unmutes the system. I purchased this exact bike last September and some of my input goes as follows. The throttle is terrible for low speed maneuvers and most will be holding the throttle a little high and using the clutch to modulate a little more but once on the highway the throttle is good. I give the edge to Harley on that on definitely. This bike because of the power and suspension components pushes into a sport tourer category I feel the Chieftain line is more comparable to the Harley touring bikes. There is definitely more feedback from the engine especially at speed but that is because the engine is rigid mounted where as the Harley is balanced and rubber mounted definitely a smoother ride on the Harley. The infotainment center on the base model Challenger whether or not its a software issue or processor is slow and glitchy. As far as the windshield goes totally not glitchy, I use it constantly its awesome, I too had my doubts live with it for more than one ride and you will be a believer. One final note the biggest draw to this bike for me was suspension and handling, there is absolutely no comparison between a stock Harley touring bike and Indian the suspension, ride and handling are just superior I came off a 2017 Road Glide and until I invested in some Ohlins which made it better but no where near as good as a stock Indian.
It's a really nice looking bike. Based on your information, it seems like the purchase is going to be a matter of personal preference. I think I'll stick with my Road Glide Ultra.
Definitely. It will depend on personal preference on so many items.
The Polaris “Indian” bikes are great in that they push Harley to up their game. The 2021 Harley lineup is really solid in large part due to the competition.
Harley has changed relatively nothing in their 2021 Lineup other than taking away from the bikes. Cable clutch for example.
Opinions vary and I thought going to a cable is a step backwards
@@talkingrock7011 I have always preferred the cable clutch. For some reason it’s smoother for me than the hydraulic one. Also, I like the retro feeling
@@frank118 I’ve ridden with a cable clutch since 1970 and changed to a hydraulic in 2009 and perfectly happy and would never go back to a cable but that’s just me
Currently a '15 RGS owner (previously had '98 & '09 RG). I was interested in Challenger for awhile now, but did nothing about it. Now I want to know about Pursuit; what can you share on Pursuit?
I like it, thanks for the breakdown.