Harley vs Indian Touring Models
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The clear winner is the customer...choice is good...buy what you like!
That is the best comment ever about which is better! Bravo man. I totally agree
Great review Adam. Thank you for all you do for veterans; kudos to you buddy. Rubber side down and keep the vlogs coming👍🏼
Indian vs Harley. Neither answer is wrong. Horsepower or Comfort. Buy the motorcycle that gets you out there to enjoy the road. I own a Victory and absolutely love it. When I’m ready for a new bike it will be Road Glide or Dark Horse. Adam thank you for the honest review and as a active serving Marine myself thank you for all you have done and continue to do for veterans.
I own a victory I rode the Indian one of the best riding bikes I've ridden I was impressed.that road glide is a good looking bike I must say.the Gold wing is a beast beutifull and powerful.keep on riding people.God bless.
From what I have heard in other reviews the Indian in sport mode is a beast. I wonder if those few extra HP of the 114 would even be noticed in comparison. Excellent comparison review!
I also have a Victory, XC , the MOST reliable bike I’ve had by far , cool to ride on the curves , comfy and good looking. I would buy a dyna for having a city riding bike , but I Love the new chieftain
Which one is the comfort?
I agree, I own Victory. I love my bike but if you're riding it doesn't matter what it is.
Thanks Adam that was a really good comparison video!
Great video! Adam your did a great job explaining the difference.
Thank you
Great information Adam. Both companies are stepping up their games. Love your final statement: “Life is short. Buy the damn motorcycle”...
That 116 Indian blows both those Harleys 107&114 out of the water!
Great video! It is great to see someone offer an unbiased review of both bikes. Keep it up!
Great job Adam - excellent review!
Great review Adam! Thx for the info
Would love to see a video comparing different fairing styles. Great video, love the charity work you do! Keep it up brother!
Awesome video. Thanks for taking the time to make it.
Really like the Indians but I'll stick with Harley for one reason; I've got 4 Harley dealers to one Indian dealer in my area. I've also got many independent shops around here to choose from that can work on my Harley.
Great video Adam! Great reviews for the bikes, I so love that new Indian! Ride safe and happy travels man!
Awesome straight up review Adam thanks for always keeping it real
Awesome vid! "Buy the damn motorcycle". Love it. And love my '18 HD SGS. 107 has great power and the batwing is fine on interstate. Keep the videos coming, love seeing what you are up to.
I think you're kinda missing the boat. If I want to tour, I want to know about GVWR. I want to know luggage capacity. I want to know which one will bake my nuts faster. I want to know fuel range. I want to know maintenance requirements.
A 6 hp difference on a 900 lb motorcycle is about as an important a difference as having 7 or 8 M&Ms on your ice cream cone.
My man did say this was all based on his O-pinion of the stock numbers facts. I get what u sayin tho.
I can confirm that the indian will roast your nuts way faster than the harley. I had read about the 111 in the indian being a chestnut roaster. Before I upgraded from my dyna to a RGS, I had test rode an indian bagger similar to this one, along with a road glide and street glide. The reports are true. Sweaty ol' bag in no time lol.
@@Mowk86, that is my only complaint with the Indian 111 and from my own research have also seen its a common one. The bike performs beautifully, regardless. But this summer will be my first on it, so we will see how it feels in 110 degree temps with 50% or more humidity. Im not confident that heat deflectors will make a huge difference. Its nice in the winter though, didnt feel the need for buying a seat warmer with temps in the 30s.
The Indian does ride hotter with the 2 into one stock pipes. Once I switched to true duals, the heat was very comparable between Road glide and Roadmaster.
The Indians have the bigger bags and trunks if your comparing H-D full dresser with the Roadmaster. Indian has bigger bags. Honestly I don't feel it's enough to be a major selling point. What made me switch for HD to Indian, was the ride. The overall ride experience is way better on Indian. However, Both company's are great in my opinion, and you can't go wrong no matter what you ride, as long as you ride!
Another great video Mr. Sandoval, as all ways. Read many of the comments and everything has already been said ! Oh yea there is one more thing
👍👍👍👍👍👍👍 "We are American" thanks 4 what U do for all us Vets 🇺🇸
A great review with up front honesty thanks and you have the best of both machines there as always ride safe
This is a great video, thank you for putting in the time making it.
Always great videos!
Thanks Adam ! Cool review
Thanks Adam for your honest review one thing I really like about you. Gained respect for you listening to the between two wheels podcast. Keep doing what you're doing brother!
Great unbiased video! Hope you Skooter and Miss Ashley are doing well. Rise safe my friend.
What a difficult line to balance, but you did a great job. It's comparing two very capable machines. Way to keep it fair Sandoval.....
Thank you
Great job I’m glad you made it to the way you did I was Harley would’ve stayed with you buddy but great great blog keep up the good work stay safe coming to see you in the spring down the campground
Nice video. Especially leading off with the opinion piece. I personally found this review one of the best I've seen so far.
I have always admired your honest reviews, especially that you base your opinions on fact as opposed to reviews based on emotions based on a love for a particular brand. Continue to be the honest person you are. Great work
Colville Titus thank you and I will
I just got my first bike.I finally got me a road king.Man I'm having fun.thanks for all you do Adam.
Road King is the clear winner. Unmatched.
Agreed! Though I must admit, my King is only my second bike and my newest being a '97 model. Just hard to beat a good ole carb'd Harley.
Right on Adam great video! I love my Road Glide wouldn’t trade it for anything but if I had the means I would give the Indian brand a try and the same I would keep both!.... stay safe out there sir I appreciate what you do!
Thanks for breaking it down in great detail!
Great honest straight forward review. Thank you Adam.
i added the bars, and the highway pegs to my 2019 darkhorse before you even suggested it in the other video, i knew it was missing. but being around mc's i have had members gauking at my bike, throwingthier legs over it, feeling the balance. and all of them fell in love with it. the bike is awesome, im loving it. and my next mod isnt needed but i just want it, and that's the bigger cams. air cleaner, also the true duel exhaust replacement. its going to be amazing.
Harleys sold in the
U.S. are indeed assembled in one of four plants located in Wisconsin,
Missouri and Pennsylvania. But the brakes and clutch are imported from
Italy, the engine pistons are made in Austria, the bike suspension comes from Japan, and other electronic components originate in Mexico and China.
Do you happen to know about Indian Motorcycles?
I have to say that your videos are appearing a lot more relaxed lately - keep it up
Nice and fair review. Couldn't agree more. I do multiple long trips a year as well. So when it came time to add a stablemate to my BMW GSA long distance bike, I went and test road both the Street Glide and the Chieftain. The Street Glide felt more "put together". Everything about it was evidence of a company that has been doing this a long time...uninterrupted. But the Indian handled better and like you said had a plusher ride. But I really liked having more power.
Easy fix...I had the dealer install the all Indian 116 Big Bore Kit before delivery. This kit includes the Indian Stage 1 Intake, Stage 2 Exhaust, and Stage 3 CAMs, Rods, Pistons, and various other supporting parts. This is the Indian equivalent of the HD 117 CVO. On the Indian, tuned properly with a Dynojet PCVX the bike puts down more than 123 HP and 144 TQ. Interestingly enough, the 2018 HD Road Glide 117 CVO that dynoed in front of me put down 93.75 HP and 112.51 TQ.
I think Indian will be putting the 116 as standard equipment for 2020 on the Chiefs.
It’s like watching a comparison between cars... electronic windshield? No no, I’ll stick with no windscreen. Motorcycling in the purest of form
Adam, you are 100% correct. Mono shock is where it’s at as for handling. Harley already has been changing frames to this configuration. (Softails) you will see it move to the touring bikes, you know how they operate. Keep making great videos brother.
Thank you, straight forward appreciate your opinion and expression of choice. Keep us informed.
Great video! Love my Springfield. Don’t forget the 111 has an upgrade to a 116 just like HD does for the 107-114.
111-116 for Thunder Stroke, 107-114 for Milwaukee 8 107, and 114-117 for the Milwaukee 8 114. Can't go wrong with any of them
Thanks for the video u explained your views perfectly.
So glad you gave the honest review. I can't wait to get my Road Master. They do advertise 119 foot pounds of torque. The road master gives you the full vent option of the lowers. Can't wait to see the next review.
Greg Durkee I concur re: 119 foot pounds of torque. I have an 18 Roadmaster and love it! A bit hot on the right when temps are high but it appears Indian solves that issue in the 2019 models. (Plans for true duals (no cat) and high flow air filter should decrease heat by 30% on the 18 model.)
Thank you for your knowledge I like to hear from owners who have experienced enough of the bike. I would like to get the best out of the Road Master and the TS 111 . I'm looking to buy the 2018 left over still in the crate. I was told that I may want the power command tuner for it even with stock. What are your thoughts on this?
Have you considered the 116 big bore kit Indian now has? That would be comparable to your 114 on your Road Glide. Also Indian does have lower fairings with a push button that allows air to come through. All that being said, I am in love with the Road Glide. If Harley would put the electric windshield, push button locking bags and heated grips I would own one. Thanks for your review! Glad to see an unbiased review of both.
Great video Adam. One thing I considered (trust me I went between Indian and HD for a full year) was the availability of aftermarket parts and accessories. Indian, for as good a bike as they make didn't have nearly as many aftermarket mods available. I'm sure this will be different in 5-10 years. I also considered the availability of HD vs Indian dealerships throughout the country. Should I ever break down in the middle of nowhere, Im likely to find an HD dealership closer than I would Indian. These were 2 major factors in making my decision. Kudos to you good sir! Keep up the great work!
That's what I'm struggling with right now. Hopefully I'll be able to buy my new bike next spring or summer. After market parts and dealer availability are my only concerns with Indian.
Good review man, thanks for the comparison. A little competition is only going to improve both brands and gives the American consumer better options and ultimately promotes motorcycling. I’m an HD fan to the bone but I like to focus on the positives of both of these brands.
Great video Adam!
Comprehensive. That's the perfect word for this video. You did the numbers, the physical differences, and the intangibles in your opinion. This is how all reviews should be - great video.
I try 🙌
Excellent overview Adam! Am looking forward to your next overview on these great machines. Are you considering having Indian install the 116 into your bike?
Great video Adam. Lots of great knowledge to know about the different bikes.🤘🏻👍🇺🇸
Great video, man I love both bikes.. Got the wife on board as well, I’m still pulling towards the Harley Street Glide though as I’m not traveling thousands upon thousands of miles on my bike but only a few long runs a year. Thanks again for this comparison.
Cheers.
Badass comparison review!!! Thanks!
Awesome review Adam. Thank you...… How is Ashley? Well I hope.
Awesome review! I am in love with the Indians and plan to buy one in the near future; either a Springfield or a Chieftain, however, I frequently rent Harleys through Eagle Rider and have more miles on them, and I really loved the road glide and Harley's Milwaukee Eight, it's just such a nice engine. Having ridden both bikes in your review, I completely agree with your analysis, thanks again!
Great video Adam, very informative.
Patiently waiting on the opportunity to purchase either or...🙏🏽 nice review Adam!
Your review was great, I think Im going to set up a test ride for the Indian. thanks
Great !!! keep up the good work, review a Suzuki boulevard if you get the chance
You can't go wrong with either bike,thanks for all the specs on each bike and great job to Harley and Indian for making great bikes,enjoy em both Adam.
Yeah! Been waiting for this!
Well let me start by asking if the Indian still rust and start on its own while in your garage ?
sorry it took so link.
Well done boss, and so true: Life is short!
Great video 👍🏻👍🏻
Very straight and honest. Sometimes is Harley owners get a little snobby and don’t even consider other males. As far as fairings I had a 2012 road glide but now I have a 2018 ultra limited and can crush as many miles with the batwing fairing as I could with a fixed wing fairing. I use to hate batwings but I found out it’s the Rider not the ride
Rode my 2018 Road Glide Ultra, with a stage 2 power cam (107ci) in it from British Columbia Canada to Newfoundland and back last year. Bike ran 100% no problems in any weather... didn't hit any snow thankfully. Great ride best i've ever had. Buddy has a 2020 Indian Challenger and yeah he can pull away from me but at 63 years old I'm okay being 1 .5 secs behind him. For me the Road Glide Ultra any day
Glad to see a review that didn't go to the highest bidder. Keep up with the great work. Would really like to get a chance to ride with you someday. I'm an Army vet got a laundry list of things wrong with me but I love to ride. Did the saddlesore 1000 last summer all by myself on a 08 wide glide,I think it was 18.5 hrs. Have a great day
Thank You for my Freedom sir.
You keep up the good work and getting the word out.
Thanks for sharing! I’m considering a Road Glide Special or Ultra Road Glide Special for my next bike.
Bought a Chieftain Dark Horse today. Your videos helped me a lot in deciding. Upgraded the exhaust to Reinhardt headers and pipes and Indian Stage 1 air intake. Hope it sounds good. Thanks for the videos....
Thank you very much for your review! Excellent show!👍👍👍👍🤜🤜🤜🤜
Nice review. I chose between the Road glide and Indian. Both great bikes! I love the Road Glide. Rented for a weekend and no complaints. For me it simply came down to comfort and suspension. So I purchased and Indian. I am 52 and 6’4. Suspension really made the difference and torque before Harley upgraded engines in 2019. Also could have spent money to upgrade suspension on Harley but just couldn’t justify doing that. No hate both great just Indian was for me. Ride on everyone!
I can understand why you would say that.
Now that's what I call a straight-up honest review... your integrity is shining through Adam.... I just listened to the b2w podcast that you were a guest on.. it was great to hear you give a little more insight into what was going on with the marketing people at corporate Harley-Davidson... hard to believe the arrogance of the new head of marketing at the time.. so happy you chose not to be a sell-out & stuck to your principles.... would be great if you could provide a link to the podcast so everybody can have a listen..... cheers brother and keep the rubber on the road
Thanks brother, I will always stay true to the road and my biker family first
@@adamsandoval something I realized from day one when u first posted on you tube....
@@adamsandoval I really dig what you're about Adam
after seeing your comment I went and listened to that podcast, and wow. Ive always been an underdog kind of guy, and now I'm even more of an Indian fan.
@@adamsandoval
Link, please.
Good Job Adam!
GREAT VIDEO ! NICE JOB!
Great video ! I support the conclusion, and I agree with that fixed fairing Indian, it's here maybe as early as next year (hopefully )
fingers crossed
I ride Indian Springfield and a few things to add. It runs very hot even with the catalytic converter out. Few dealerships to get anything fixed plus there’s are very little selection for aftermarket and parts. no upgrades on brakes customizing etc.Good bike but HD is still out in front.
Great video great info, thanks!
Thanks for being part of this channel 👊🇺🇸😎
Adam! You hit the nail on the head! With Harley needing to change their suspension
That marker noise is giving me goosebumps
Same here,it was so irritating.I commented the same and was going through the comments to see if am i the only one who found it irritating.
As always well done and I agree a personal preference no doubt. I would prefer the Road Glide Triked out with Kool Trikes could not afford it
Roadmaster with adding Stage two, brings the power HP to 90 and TQ to 116 with the lower fairings that opens and closes plus a easy to remove trunk. You need to ride one of those Mr. Sandoval they are nice.
Thanks, Awesome Vlog, Thanks Adam.
Great video Adam, I loved your points on the future of these bikes. I dig the mono shock for the cruisers..... I think HD needs to have an adjustable windscreen as well. Here's a big thing for me. Customer service? I've had horrible luck w/ HD. I don't think I'll buy another and my two kids will be getting bikes soon. NO HD's for them until they clean up their act. My local dealerships service depts. are tools if you ask me....... I regret not staying at your campsite while out for the Paris HD gig. I'm heading your way this Summer for sure!
see you then!
Excellent video my wife and I recently bought 2 scouts and we love them.
How rich r u
@@ohherewegoagain I’m not rich
@@FNGMOTO 2 scouts must be pretty rich. Lol.
@@ohherewegoagain don’t most people have 2 vehicles?
@@FNGMOTO and if you include your cars then it's more than 2 for you.
Right on Adam, great comparison, you really nailed it. I’ll hold onto my SGS for the time being but having built them for years, I’d really love to get something different up onto my lift. Ride safe my friend!
So nice that we have great competition that makes both bikes better. Both bikes are great and I'd like to see in the comparison. Thanks for great video
Really good review. One thing I would like to see is how much it cost to service a HD and a Indian the first year or a certain amount of miles. The lower the maintenance the better! I ride a 2011 Victory Cross country. The only complaint is that the air filter is under the front part of the tank. Otherwise oil, trans, and primary are all lubed. Easy and no issues. I want ride, time not shop time. Hope the campground is doing well! Be safe.Thanks again for a great review.
needing repair while traveling HD dealership along the road in most big cities
yes plenty of parts in china
And pay way too much, while getting repairs.
Great analysis.. Thank you
Awesome review bro!
Wish i could subscribe twice lol great video
Thank Mate... I wish you could too..
Well. One thing is obvious by watching this video. They both collect bug guts equally! 😄 Good job on the comparison!
Nice job brother!
Good video and review. An informed option is always welcome. I personally don't have fairing on my Roadking Special. Wanted touring comfort with all the wind.
I just visited my local Indian dealer and jumped on a Chieftain dark horse... BY FAR this was the best balanced motorcycle I have ever threw a leg over after owning 17 motorcycles. The handling JUST BLEW ME AWAY! The seating position was lower to the ground and felt more stable and balanced. The exhaust from the factory sounded perfect with a deep and mellow tone. Quality is evident throughout the bike. The dealership experience was MUCH MORE personal and friendly with the dealership taking time to explain in great detail the engineering features of the motor and chassis. I was told the power stroke motor only has a total of EIGHT GASKETS compared to Harley-Davidson’s thirty six approximately. But the real selling point for me is the mind blowing handing and balance of this machine. I don’t care how long you have been riding other brands, every serious rider owes it to themselves to visit their local Indian dealer and test ride the dealership and the Chieftain Dark horse. I will take mind blowing handling and a more comfortable ride over a few horsepower any day! And of course I understand the stage kit turns this bike into a real beast! I made up my mind real quick.
Thank you for your thoughts. Gonna be buying a new bike when I retire and its gonna be between these two bikes.
A good rider can take less power and outrun a rider that isn’t as good with a bigger motor .... I’ve seen it done a hundred times I’ve got some friends that are decent riders and have bikes that are built to the max and I can take my 103 with a stage 3 in it and smokem .... but I’ve been riding since I was 4 and raced professionally for 5 years
Robert Contreras Thanks Robert, one thing I did forget to mention is the comfortable ride. This bike has the fox mono shock with six inch travel at the rear that soaks up the bumps.. I have a really bad back so this feature is a really big deal for me and the bike itself feels very light because of the great balance. As soon as you sit on the Chieftain dark horse and take it off the side stand at the showroom you see what I’m talking about. I strongly encourage a nice long test ride as well. Best Regards.
@@jamesstewart2186 but a good rider with more power is a perfect match.
Already feels good cause they are coping from over 100 years of experience.
Damn, I'm starting to dig the Indian. Great job.
The one thing that keeps me on a Harley is the turn signal switches. Hate to say it but the individual switches on each side is so much easier than that small little metric switch. To be a matter of fact every time I have test rode a Indian, I hit the kill switch trying to turn on the right turn signal.
interesting vid. I am an old 01 softail guy myself....been absent from your channel for a while...catching up...hope one of these two companies have finally sponsored you ?...always good to see anyone promoting cycling....we need to get more younger riders into the sport.
Excellent review Adam. I agree with everything you said Especially the fixed faring. That's a wrap, Now grab a rag and clean those dirty pigs!😁✌
Great Review Adam, If you don't mind me pitching in my review as well. I have 150,000 Miles between HD- '05 Super glide, '06 Street Bob,'10 Heritage, '11 Street Glide, and my last H-D '13 Road Glide. I now own a 2016 Indian Roadmaster. Now keep in mind my Road glide was a 103 and the Roadmaster is of course a 111. I agree 100% a Fixed Fairing motorcycle is much easier for long trips because the wind just rolls off the Fairing. Where Attached to the fork Fairings on the Indian Chieftians and Roadmasters, and H_D Street Glide and Ultras can be a bit more work during windy times. That being said all fairing bikes are great to ride on long trips. I rode from Southern Az to Northern Wisconsin on a Street Bob, and the Iron but part of that was awful, but lets face it, Motorcycles are just fun to ride! anyway I digress. The power, torque, suspension, stereo, balance and overall comfort in the Roadmaster was way better than my Street Glide or Road Glide. Now we are comparing power and torque of a set of 103's vs 111. A riding brother of mine went out with me to see the difference on the pavement head to head, He has a '13 Street Glide VS my Roadmaster. RM has more power and torque and in 5th or 6th gear really pulls away from the SG after about 50-60MPH. I don't have to downshift the RM to pass. The SG did. The RM is a bigger heavier bike and smaller Gas Tank, so the SG get a bit better MPG's and slightly bigger gas tank turns into more stops for the Indian than the H-D. Now I used to be able to drag the shit out of my floor boards on every H-D I owned, on both sides. Meaning I could lean much harder and faster in the curves on all my touring H-D's. However the seats on all of them were a little high for my 30' inseam. The RM has a lower seat and the exhaust is hung much lower. So when I lean hard, I destroy my pipes before I get to the floorboards. I have 12,000 MI on my Indian Roadmaster, and other than leaning harder and faster in twisty roads, the indian is far superior. Now H-D has the 117 so they are more powerful. However there is a 116 upgrade option for all Indian 111's, so then we are back to even when it comes to Horse power and torque. any spelling or grammar errors, I apologize, I've been piecing this together while at work. Bottom line for me after 160,000+ miles of riding......get what you want, and what you can afford. Being on two wheels regardless of make is what it's all about. I personally could never own a Goldwing, because of my biases. However, I will admit, the 2019 Goldwings are fast more powerful and more nimble than any American made bike. (That was so painful to say!) So, as of right now I prefer Indian, to HD. I still would love to have a Street Bob for an around town bike! However in the long run, all this competition is best for us the riders! Be safe everyone, keep the rubber side down, and get your bike out of the garage!!!
I ride a 2009 stripped down Ultra Classic. A few performance enhancements and suspension modifications has totally transformed this bike. I put a 100 miles on it and find myself looking for the next 100 miles. I love the bike! I look at the new models out there but I ask myself "Why?"
David DeJong A hundred miles. Lol
The why question will be answered if you ride one for a bit. Even my '14 is a huge improvement over the earlier model. And the '18 is enough I'm going to upgrade in spring.
Thanks for the comparison, Adam. I’m planning on buying a brand-new bagger in the spring. I’ve been tossed up between the Chieftain and the Street Glide. I’m going to ride both, but I like the Chieftain better. I also like all the facts you pointed out because I’m a shorter guy.
Harley thinking= "Instead of fixing our current engine issues (88"---96")...let's just build another motor and throw it in next years model".
Everyone else= "For next year, we will address current model year issues and resolve them for our loyal customers".
Harley= "Yeah, well. We have pretty colors".
Others= "We will have invested a lot of money in R&D to help improve the overall quality of our line up to make our customers happy".
Harley= "Um, we have loud pipes".
Umm your just an idiot...