Excellent! I built one and it is hard to extrude the tubing through it, but by you extending the 2 opposing rollers outward is GENIUS! Thank you for sharing, I will be upgrading to your design.
ive had one for 4yrs now. the first failure you will have is stripping the OEM allens in the larger dies. the biggest ive done is 1.5" aluminum sch40 it will almost let the smoke out of that pipe threader if you apply to much pressure with the bottle jack. i took my OEM dies and drilled the shaft on both sides to take a grade 8 1/4" bolts to lock the dies to the shaft. there is so much torque on the driving die i have sheared grade 5s. i also have seen the "anti rotation lever" fail and wrap that spring around and flip the pipe threader over. Make no mistake this is a dangerous tool if you over load it. The keyed swag dies and shaft are way to expensive. i bought 3 other sets of harbor freight dies and turned them on a lathe to make different profiles for square tubing. best thing you can do is make a stand so you can roll it outside as you already know a full stick of material will easily hit the ceiling in any shop.
The swag kit definitely works as advertised. Bought one late last year for my son's 4H Ag mechanics project. He was able to assemble the setup himself in about 4 hours. He bent over 60 ft of 1.5 in schedule 40 pipe. As one of the suggestions below said, have a second person use a pipe wrench on the end to keep it from twisting.
Great video, it was very helpful in building the conversion kit. One comment would be to make sure you measure the 4.5 inches to the front of the hub and not the back. If you go to the back it will be too short.
Use a pipe clamp,welding clamp,or Vice-Grip on the pipe from the start at 1 or both ends so you can keep the tube from twisting,as you'll see when it tries and correct it.Thanks for showing that kit.I hoped they'd motorize it easy.
Yea right I couldn't stop staring at it .I had to watch the video again to see what was happening. That's my dream table .I wish I knew where he bought it or built it .diffenitly bad ass .
@@oneeyedsnake6914 holy crap yea I cant justify spending that kinda cash on a table .I guess I'll have to build one . Local company said they will lazer cut all the holes and materials for like 15 hundred but the holes will still need work and that's alot of holes .now I need to find a shop after they are cut they could ream them to perfect size and work with that size material. It might be cheaper to buy .lmao .
Did you weld that billet hub 4 1/2 from the top or 4 1/2 from the bottom? I did it from tip to top of the billet hub and I don't have enough room. Guess I'll be ordering another lol.
The video is very helpful, thank you for doing this. The pipe twists because of the set screws causing a wobble as it turns (according to swag) they sell an axle that is supposed to eliminate the wobble, and the twisting. I just got mine in along with my electric drive kit, I’m excited to see how it performs with the mods!
Awesome! Thank you for making this video! Seen a lot of bad things about just the HF bender but that Swag kit is great. Will definitely be looking into this!
Hay. Thank you. Been wanting to buy another unit like this. Lent mine out never came back. This one with the other add on will help my old self out. Will be sure to mention your name. Ty again
Awesome video sir, by the way the music in the background is awesome, alot better than rap music. 🤣 That's one fine tool you put together there. 👍🏻Keep up the awesome work sir.
What is used to keep the center axle from either rotating or or sliding in and out.. ie the other axles have cotter pins to keep them from moving whereas the center axle has no holes for cotter pins?
More of a question, do you feel this will handle square tube if prober dies are made to accept and guide it? I’m figuring 3/4”, 1”, 1-1/2”, possibly 2”. All no greater than .125” wall.
Great upgrades for price and i mean it works :) - still the investment for a proper mandrel type bender is worth it if doing more frequent or intricate work IMO. Then again some people don't even need tools to get the job done
I just bought this tube roller this evening...and true to Harbor Freight, it broke in 5 minutes (stripped out the shaft locking screws as I rather expected it would) so I looked into this cool modification. However, making a $200 roller into an $800 roller? Here is what I am looking at: Harbor freight tubing roller I just bought: $250. The Swag kit: $256. The Harbor freight bottle jack: $40. Harbor freight pipe threader $229. Total is $775. Then there is tax, shipping, and my time to fabricate using the pile of parts. In the end, like SO many of my projects, I end up with a very expensive, device of questionable quality. I may be able to fabricate the Swag plates and shafts, but the pipe threader I would need to get used. I do have an extra mini winch. Maybe there is a way to use it? Either that, or return this thing and buy the hydraulic pipe bender.
What I really want to know is how much easier the wings make it to bend tube, but no one ever uses the roller first, then adds the wings and uses it. Does anyone have experience with using the roller first then adding the wings?
It looks like a Siegmund welding table to me. But just the table is extremely expensive and if you get past that pill the real money is in the fixtures and clamps. I'd suspect you'd need to drop around 10-15K to have a table like that and just a handful of clamps. I'd personally recommend the buildpro table for a normal high end home gamer versus the Siegmund. But if you're doing professional grade fab work for high end clients then I suppose you could go with the Siegmund. But if he's got this welding table my question is why is he trying to save a couple hundred busks reworking the roller set than just buying a high end set?
So a grand total just under $500, isn't bad. If I had a house and garage, I'd would totally buy the bender and this kit. Looks like they made the kit with close to 1/4" plate. Seems like it'll last a good number of years of use and abuse.
I hear you I'm setting up my small fab shop right out side my door in a really small spot. I'm making a pedastool that I can set mutable stuff on it and when the stuff is not in use it could be pulled off and set aside. I like the craftsmanship work I make due with what I got and area to work with. It would be nice to work in a garage out of the weather.
I will say this I am interested in doing this. JUST A observation you really should not weld with Actone on your work bench that is a recipe for disaster 😳
The problem with the Harbor Freight tubing roller is the bearing suck maybe they're okay with smaller diameter but with two inch aluminum the bearings were going out twice
By the time you add in all these upgrades the cost skyrockets way past the cost of a better brand tube roller - Tube roller $200 NOT INCLUDING STAND or modifying the set screws which will soon strip out - wing kit $100 - bottle jack kit $80 - Electric pipe threader $200 - SWAG Machined Drive Hub $40 - 3 plus sets of dies $ plus $170 for each additional die set - foot pedal $14 - This is not including tax, welding, etc - current total $1,130. Cost of tube roller and just upgrade parts without the power drive is closer to $450, This is not including tax, welding, etc.. Is this still cost effective???
LOL 200$ tubing roller make it work like a 800$ roller... Base pipe roller 200$ the Electric pipe threader 200$, bottle jack 20$ and Sawg kit 254$ Total:675$ Pretty close to 800$ if you ask me...
Im trying to make a jack shaft for my go kart, I have the shaft, and pillow bearings, I cannot find the sprockets anywhere...everyplace I called says they dont know what Im talking about or they dont have sprockets that big. The size I need are 5/8 ID 21 tooth. 1 is a 520 pitch, the other is a 530 pitch. If you can point me in the right direction, that would be great, Thanks
@@larryalexander4833 I did try ebay, but my question is, I need a 520 and a 530 pitch sprocket, and they dont go by pitch apparently, they go by numbers, so what size should I be looking for?
@@elifernandez3044 because I had to take the stock motor out, I blew it up.. Im putting a 1984 3 wheeler motor in it. The wheeler motor has a 520 sprocket. I measured the go kart sprocket, I believe to be, 530...so any idea where I can find these sprockets? They dont go by pitch, so how do I find them?
Could you put one together for me and I buy it from you I am not a welder and you make it look easy would be much appreciated if you could and if you could get back to me thank you and god bless you buddy ??
@@christophermcmahon7920 metal fatigues. mine didnt but if it did, not hard to fix with a welder and some time. all tools are like that these days. they probably beefed it up by now tho. check my channel, i have quite a few vids of it in use and the results.
Excellent! I built one and it is hard to extrude the tubing through it, but by you extending the 2 opposing rollers outward is GENIUS! Thank you for sharing, I will be upgrading to your design.
Slick fitty that's some real elfin Ingenuity good job
ive had one for 4yrs now. the first failure you will have is stripping the OEM allens in the larger dies. the biggest ive done is 1.5" aluminum sch40 it will almost let the smoke out of that pipe threader if you apply to much pressure with the bottle jack. i took my OEM dies and drilled the shaft on both sides to take a grade 8 1/4" bolts to lock the dies to the shaft. there is so much torque on the driving die i have sheared grade 5s. i also have seen the "anti rotation lever" fail and wrap that spring around and flip the pipe threader over. Make no mistake this is a dangerous tool if you over load it. The keyed swag dies and shaft are way to expensive. i bought 3 other sets of harbor freight dies and turned them on a lathe to make different profiles for square tubing. best thing you can do is make a stand so you can roll it outside as you already know a full stick of material will easily hit the ceiling in any shop.
let the smoke out! rof! yep thanks for the great 'advice' TOM!
The swag kit definitely works as advertised. Bought one late last year for my son's 4H Ag mechanics project. He was able to assemble the setup himself in about 4 hours. He bent over 60 ft of 1.5 in schedule 40 pipe. As one of the suggestions below said, have a second person use a pipe wrench on the end to keep it from twisting.
Bro that kit is well thought out some real good engineering
Great video, it was very helpful in building the conversion kit. One comment would be to make sure you measure the 4.5 inches to the front of the hub and not the back. If you go to the back it will be too short.
Use a pipe clamp,welding clamp,or Vice-Grip on the pipe from the start at 1 or both ends so you can keep the tube from twisting,as you'll see when it tries and correct it.Thanks for showing that kit.I hoped they'd motorize it easy.
Nice job!! Nice welding table.. I’m a union tin knocker and in the process of getting certified for mig / stick welding!!!
That welding table is awesome
Yea right I couldn't stop staring at it .I had to watch the video again to see what was happening. That's my dream table .I wish I knew where he bought it or built it .diffenitly bad ass .
@@teamdrama6251 picture of the name of it on the credits but and I looked at it online but it was like 9k$
@@oneeyedsnake6914 holy crap yea I cant justify spending that kinda cash on a table .I guess I'll have to build one . Local company said they will lazer cut all the holes and materials for like 15 hundred but the holes will still need work and that's alot of holes .now I need to find a shop after they are cut they could ream them to perfect size and work with that size material. It might be cheaper to buy .lmao .
Google it. Quite a few nice tables available. Not cheap though. 8-14 grand depending on size@@teamdrama6251
I need this tool in my life!!
Did you weld that billet hub 4 1/2 from the top or 4 1/2 from the bottom? I did it from tip to top of the billet hub and I don't have enough room. Guess I'll be ordering another lol.
The video is very helpful, thank you for doing this. The pipe twists because of the set screws causing a wobble as it turns (according to swag) they sell an axle that is supposed to eliminate the wobble, and the twisting. I just got mine in along with my electric drive kit, I’m excited to see how it performs with the mods!
Awesome! Thank you for making this video! Seen a lot of bad things about just the HF bender but that Swag kit is great. Will definitely be looking into this!
Awesome. You're channel keeps getting better.
Awesome build sir !! Enjoyed watching your videos, keep up the great work sir
*Looks Like a GREAT Kit!!!*
Hay. Thank you. Been wanting to buy another unit like this. Lent mine out never came back. This one with the other add on will help my old self out. Will be sure to mention your name. Ty again
Nice!! I build propeller guards for hovercraft out of EMT, & have used the HF tool several times. This will make a nice upgrade!!
Constructive, precise, creative, (I learned something today).
Liked, Subscribed. Awesome content! Thank you!
Do they make bearings for flat stock or rectangular tubing
Awesome video sir, by the way the music in the background is awesome, alot better than rap music. 🤣 That's one fine tool you put together there. 👍🏻Keep up the awesome work sir.
Anything is better than rap music including no music at all.
Great vid. Going check out swag off-road
Are there flat dyes that come with it or that you can get for flat stock or square tubing?
Pretty cool.
THANK YOU FOR DETAIL VIDEO AS GREAT IDEAL TO DO BY SHOW PUT ALL TOGETHER
Thanks beard. I’ve been looking for a good roller. You rock.
Excellent! I like to see upgrades like that.
What side of the billet hub are you measuring to when welding it on the axle? You pulled tape from both sides in the video
What is used to keep the center axle from either rotating or or sliding in and out.. ie the other axles have cotter pins to keep them from moving whereas the center axle has no holes for cotter pins?
Nicely done
Awesome job thanks
More of a question, do you feel this will handle square tube if prober dies are made to accept and guide it? I’m figuring 3/4”, 1”, 1-1/2”, possibly 2”. All no greater than .125” wall.
Thats great!
do you know where to get square tubing dies for this roller
Great upgrades for price and i mean it works :) - still the investment for a proper mandrel type bender is worth it if doing more frequent or intricate work IMO.
Then again some people don't even need tools to get the job done
Will it bend 1.75 120 wall dom?
That’s pretty cool
Where can buy just the hub that fits into the pipe threader?
I just bought this tube roller this evening...and true to Harbor Freight, it broke in 5 minutes (stripped out the shaft locking screws as I rather expected it would) so I looked into this cool modification. However, making a $200 roller into an $800 roller? Here is what I am looking at: Harbor freight tubing roller I just bought: $250. The Swag kit: $256. The Harbor freight bottle jack: $40. Harbor freight pipe threader $229. Total is $775. Then there is tax, shipping, and my time to fabricate using the pile of parts. In the end, like SO many of my projects, I end up with a very expensive, device of questionable quality. I may be able to fabricate the Swag plates and shafts, but the pipe threader I would need to get used. I do have an extra mini winch. Maybe there is a way to use it? Either that, or return this thing and buy the hydraulic pipe bender.
Which of the anonymized links in the description are for Swag Offroad? Do I have to click on them all to find out?
When do we get to see the buggy the big supercharged one
What I really want to know is how much easier the wings make it to bend tube, but no one ever uses the roller first, then adds the wings and uses it. Does anyone have experience with using the roller first then adding the wings?
Have you ever seen the orange and white Coleman BT200X.
That was bad ass
What kind of welder did you use?
We use prime weld. They are linked in the video description.
Does harbor freight still sell this tubing bender?
So it's like 10% harbor freight after you add all this!?
What foot pedal did you use on the roller?
Rule number 1 with this tool.
Take the bag/box of bolts that come with it and throw them in the scrap hopper. Replace them with grade 8.
Damn... I like that fab table. Who made it?
It looks like a Siegmund welding table to me. But just the table is extremely expensive and if you get past that pill the real money is in the fixtures and clamps. I'd suspect you'd need to drop around 10-15K to have a table like that and just a handful of clamps. I'd personally recommend the buildpro table for a normal high end home gamer versus the Siegmund. But if you're doing professional grade fab work for high end clients then I suppose you could go with the Siegmund. But if he's got this welding table my question is why is he trying to save a couple hundred busks reworking the roller set than just buying a high end set?
So a grand total just under $500, isn't bad. If I had a house and garage, I'd would totally buy the bender and this kit. Looks like they made the kit with close to 1/4" plate. Seems like it'll last a good number of years of use and abuse.
I hear you I'm setting up my small fab shop right out side my door in a really small spot. I'm making a pedastool that I can set mutable stuff on it and when the stuff is not in use it could be pulled off and set aside. I like the craftsmanship work I make due with what I got and area to work with. It would be nice to work in a garage out of the weather.
I even thought about buying a box truck or trailer to make a small shop out of it.
Very nice.
I will say this I am interested in doing this. JUST A observation you really should not weld with Actone on your work bench that is a recipe for disaster 😳
Nice vidéo
Square Dies ?
The problem with the Harbor Freight tubing roller is the bearing suck maybe they're okay with smaller diameter but with two inch aluminum the bearings were going out twice
I surprised you didn't clean the parts or at least do a quick roloc sand on the swag parts before you welded them. I guess if it works, it works.
Nice video.. Please NO ACETONE on the welding bench..!! 😨😮☹
what about if you want to make a complete circle.? you can't because you can't take it off.
I wish I had that kinda time to think stuff up like this.
By the time you add in all these upgrades the cost skyrockets way past the cost of a better brand tube roller - Tube roller $200 NOT INCLUDING STAND or modifying the set screws which will soon strip out - wing kit $100 - bottle jack kit $80 - Electric pipe threader $200 - SWAG Machined Drive Hub $40 - 3 plus sets of dies $ plus $170 for each additional die set - foot pedal $14 - This is not including tax, welding, etc - current total $1,130. Cost of tube roller and just upgrade parts without the power drive is closer to $450, This is not including tax, welding, etc.. Is this still cost effective???
That's Awesome 👍 now as long as Christ doesn't return anytime soon , I will have to do that , God Bless Y'all
THOMAS K LoL
LOL 200$ tubing roller make it work like a 800$ roller... Base pipe roller 200$ the Electric pipe threader 200$, bottle jack 20$ and Sawg kit 254$ Total:675$ Pretty close to 800$ if you ask me...
Yeah it is but works great lol
Im trying to make a jack shaft for my go kart, I have the shaft, and pillow bearings, I cannot find the sprockets anywhere...everyplace I called says they dont know what Im talking about or they dont have sprockets that big. The size I need are 5/8 ID 21 tooth. 1 is a 520 pitch, the other is a 530 pitch. If you can point me in the right direction, that would be great, Thanks
bucky dr1 Why don’t you go with a 420 chain?
@@larryalexander4833 I did try ebay, but my question is, I need a 520 and a 530 pitch sprocket, and they dont go by pitch apparently, they go by numbers, so what size should I be looking for?
@@elifernandez3044 because I had to take the stock motor out, I blew it up.. Im putting a 1984 3 wheeler motor in it. The wheeler motor has a 520 sprocket. I measured the go kart sprocket, I believe to be, 530...so any idea where I can find these sprockets? They dont go by pitch, so how do I find them?
@@buckydr1858 check McMaster carr .they carry a bunch of that stuff .might have what you are looking for .
Get a “no dog” level!
OK so now build a 1/4 midget (1/2 midget so gravy bones fits) and stick that stage 4 212 in it
Men super !!!
Background music isn't necessary. Its actually distracting and annoying.
Welp its on there for life now. I don't do it anymore unless its turned way down just to keep the silence down.
@@RedBeardsGarage great video. Thanks for taking the time to make it. I'm trying to roll some tubing for a minibike build.
Definitely don't get your fingers court I did once in an industrial roller on large pipe burst my thumb like a tomato. Not fun way to get a day off.
Could you put one together for me and I buy it from you I am not a welder and you make it look easy would be much appreciated if you could and if you could get back to me thank you and god bless you buddy ??
Stick to building engines! That hub is not 4.5 inches to the end of the shaft shaft!!! Learn to read a tape measure.
Just buy an affordable bender... SO much cheaper and easier.
Any recommendations?
@@christophermcmahon7920 "the affordable bender" look it up.
@@pawpatina I wonder if the fixed the pivot bolt problem yet. It wallered out on the two guys that I know that have it.
That is the one I have been researching a bit.seems like a pretty good design. Have you used yours a bunch? Thanks
@@christophermcmahon7920 metal fatigues. mine didnt but if it did, not hard to fix with a welder and some time. all tools are like that these days. they probably beefed it up by now tho. check my channel, i have quite a few vids of it in use and the results.
That's pretty cool