From what I am hearing, it seems like the GoE developer(s) may be stealing other mod makers assets, and if those claims are substantiated, then you absolutely should not pay for this mod lol. I don't really know enough about it to say anything for sure, but I will add this as an addendum to my review: If you're interested in playing the mod, then you should do some research and make sure you feel good about paying for it before you play. If anyone has more info about the topic feel free to add onto this comment :)
I mean they are stealing from other modders just as much as they are stealing from fromsoft, there’s a reason paid mods aren’t a thing, because when you have to pay for the mod it becomes theft of the original property for a commercial product, and I encourage anyone who bought this to distribute it to others for free, because it’s far more cringe to steal someone else’s game for your own profit even if it’s a corporation
It wouldn’t surprise me given the amount I’ve heard of the controversy, and while it may not technically be illegal since you aren’t allowed to copyright any mods you make without fromsoft’s permission it is definitely illegal to charge for a mod for a game you don’t have the rights to
A little bit more information, Garden of Eyes had also been known as sanadsk/omegafantasy who was (is? idk) a pos, and there has been plenty of drama around that name. Probably why he changed it in the first place
Garden of Eyes is a notorious grifter that had to change their online name + brand multiple times due to these claims (That are mostly true) and you absolutely should not support them.
This is standard and true for pretty much every single game or piece of media that's put out. If you ever agree to a ToS before playing a game, i promise you its in there. No idea how this guy has gotten away with this for so long. @Setuaro
Exactly this. It doesn't matter what anyone's opinion is, making people pay for mods is against every major games ToS. Mod makers love to complain when they get hit with DMCA's but they themselves open themselves up to it. Not to mention it gives the ammunition for companies to hate modders more than they already do, especially Japanese game studios.
@@ATigerShark I'd go as far as to say Nintendo is the same as the others, albeit more protective. But it doesn't stop people from giving Nintendo actual ammunition.
the part that slays me the most is that the parts he likes the least is when Garden of Eyes tries to do something actually original with the reused assets. Like when the Godskin Executioner uses a different moveset for its phase 2 than he expected, he feels *let down???* that bothers me so much
Garden of Eyes used to go by Sanadsk a few years back, and was quite notorious in the Souls community for stealing other people’s findings and other scummy things.
i personally have no issue paying for this. He put in work and if he wants to charge it he can. But im very aware ok Sanadsk and i didnt know he rebranded into Garden Of Eyes hmmm
the only issue i have with pay-to-play mods is possible issues with fromsoft's copyright, as the mod devs are making money off of from's assets. (not saying it doesn't take effort to mod tho)
Exactly this. No sane person is denying the sheer effort it takes to make a mod it's more trying our best not to step on any big corporations toes and have them start scrutinizing mods as a whole. All it takes is one large enough company being pushed too far to set the precedent and open the flood gates.
say with honesty bro, this shit is unbelievable, Miyazaki like that people mods his games, he even openly said that at one point, shit like this will make the Fromsoftware ban mods just like other companies, and they'll not be in the wrong this time, you give freedom for the fans and look how they repay you
@@Mat69420kfromsoft never had any problem with mods tho. But you should not profiting from mods since most of assets is from fromsoft works and they just added bunch of stuff on it. Though fromsoft seems doesnt mind since they didnt take any action againts it. It literally illegal, thats why a lot of company can take legal action againts something like this . But you cam avoid this legal issue using donation instead and make whatever mods you make free. Its a way to appreciate their effort. Thats why i give more respect to those modders than modders who sell their mods . But yeah i do respect fromsoft from letting them do it. They care more about community more than profit it seems. Even tho some of them doing literal illegal activity
That's what Im wondering about too. I feel like donations are a good way to make some money without the possibility of running into problems with copyright.
It's better to give them those 5$ than to give it to a thief. The difference between those who make art and just earn money is sometimes simply amazing.😂
While I appreciate this overview of the mod and your general unbiased take on it I definitely think it’s hard to ignore some of the scum more stuff GOE does with his mods, including usage of AI without consent of the original voice actors, alleged theft of other modders’ assets, and the fact that it is just literally illegal to make mods behind a paywall.
Trying to be objective and shed some light, because there's a lot of misinformation. Don't take this as me blindly defending, I have my own gripes. I'll go over each separate point, the AI voice lines, modder's assets, and the legality of paywalling. There's no AI voice lines, just in-game voice lines, cut content and in the case of Miquella, that was Garden himself acting with a voice changer, funnily enough. As for other modders' assets, Seamless Co-op was packaged with the launcher, which caused a whole controversy because LukeYui clearly indicated his mod should not be packaged with other mods long before that. Garden was definitely at fault there, but he was completely shut out from the modding community afterwards, with any apologies disregarded. To be clear, it was definitely his fault and he should not have done that (whether because of ignorance or malice, doesn't matter). The repercussions were harsh, but I don't know the full context so it could definitely be justified. Other than the repackaging of Seamless Co-op to make multiplayer easier to access, there's no assets or content from other mods in GoE. And since Seamless was removed from it long ago, that is also not an issue at present time either. I don't blame anyone for not liking GoE for this, but it is something in the past. Putting a mod behind a paywall is not inherently illegal, by the way, and the EULA for the game doesn't disallow mods, paid or otherwise. What is however a legal issue is that content from previous Fromsoft titles are included. Gael, Soul of Cinder, Nameless King, Lady Maria... Even the Alonne armor and such. This is using assets from games the player doesn't necessarily own, which is against the EULA of those games. They should absolutely be removed from the mod as soon as possible. Realistically speaking this is an issue for both paid and unpaid mods, and a LOT of mods use assets from previous games.
@@BigDBrianThank you. It's been hurting my head watching all the commenters just spread misinformation. I don't like paid mods either, but it's wild to lie about the project and pretend that it's illegal because you don't like it.
Its interesting how different convergence and GOE game design philosophy is. Convergence: players hate these aspects about the game so lets remove those!(Double fights, annoying areas, status) GOE:players hate these aspects about the game so lets double down lol!
I can't say I fully agree with Convergence's game philosophy. They should try to improve those aspects instead outright removing them. But GOE philosophy is just putting random shit without meaning or reason. It's atrocious.
@@Daevectus I didn't want it to seem like I don't like the mod, in fact I love it. Just because It's a mod It doesn't mean I can't criticize it though. I mean It's free so I can't complain too much. But I would recommend you to refrain from using "make your own" or "do it yourself" argument. It can be valuable to hear out opinions even when they don't exacly align with yours. Because otherwise It can lead to one being too self absorbed.
It costs just 2$ For a reason lol It's not the price for assets, it's the price for his efforts & modding skills. (Or if u think it takes no effort & knowledge for making a mod as big as GOE's then try making one for urself.
@@Dedbread608"if you don't like it make it yourself" an argument that has been used to deflect criticism of art since its inception. Maybe if he was so good at modding, he wouldn't have to flip assets and charge for them. It's scummy, no matter how you look at it.
The Tower of Flame feels like what a 12 year old would think is cool lol. Lava, lightning, dead dragons, tornadoes and all the random stuff they liked from DS2
GODDAMN YOU'RE RIGHT...but the Dragon Peak was well composed while this place was basically just dumping all those things into a stew lol. Nice Enki pfp btw
The issue people have isn't that people don't think mod's shouldn't be paid to play, it's that it's quite literally illegal and Garden of Shite is breaking the law for what is retrospectively a janky pile of garbage
@@alexlun4464 You don't need to be a police officer to call out asshole behavior and point out it's also illegal ON TOP of that. Also it's not just "the law", it's also kind of an unwritten rule. You take someone else's work, take it down a different route and either enjoy it yourself or share it with others, slowly growing a project and improving something with other people of the community. You don't go "money now", after jankily cobbling together some stolen shit on a game you didn't make.
@dowfreak7 ... okay? But a lot of people make stuff on Patreon that breaks copyright law. I'm talking about custom pokemon art for example. Suddenly it's also illegal for them as well to get commissioned for their work?? It just baffles me how everyone suddenly cares about the law, if I didn't know better I'd say you're all being petty because someone is charging for a mod. He might be an asshole but don't sell that crap that you all care about the law lmao
@@alexlun4464 people care because he literally is stealing from the original creators and ALSO stole (allegedly) from actual small content creators. lets not give him any excuses.
@duckyduckington9736 then cry about that but don't be crying illegal 🤣 also wdym stealing from the original creators as in stealing from Fromsoftware???
It's one reason I despise part of what the ffxiv modding scene is like - there's a very strong proponent of people that due the equivalent of janky looking second life stuff that they either straight up paywall or "early access on patreon/ko-fi" sliminess. And yet you're the bad guy for calling out bad ethics for paywalling that stuff when there's no legal right that they have to do so.
@@TheGamingDavester and then have an audacity to tell the certain race players have bad ethics and straight up go all the way to bully and etc etc.... not to mention that ff14 by default, doesn't allow you to mod by TOS... love how they have some of worst double standard lmao
Even tho the mod looks really interresting, it is just illegal to charge money for a mod, and it's also morraly wrong to charge money for a redesign of already existing bosses, or in the case of Gael just stealing a boss as a whole. Edit: I am not saying that it is easy to make something like this, all i am saying is, that you shouldn't chagre money for other peoples work
Theres dev team def effort put into the mod, but yeah, GoE adding vanilla SoC, Gael, and maria, and putting it behind paywall is not only obvious that is illegal but also crazy.
"This mod gets me, it just knows I love this edgelord nonsense" That is the blue eye knight armor from Demon's Souls I think, it was actually in one of the Souls games for real lmfao
Also I like the Jareel fight. "A not so familiar boss." Undead King Jareel was actually a cut concept boss from Dark Souls 1 that was gonna be tied to the New Londo Ruins in some way. He was a darkwraith and had a kind of more advanced darkwraith moveset, and his grab attack lowered your level like King Allant in Demon's Souls. Not many people know of Jareel since he was never officially in the game, but his code still exists in the game's files and some mods for DS1 include make him an encounterable boss. I think it's cool to pay respect to that, even though they gave him Gael's moveset instead of his own that played with his darkwraith gimmick, but it is still cool.
@@dumpykong It definitely does give off DS 2 vibes, I think it is really cool. Also I didn't even realize you replied to me, I replied to myself because I am actively watching your video and commenting as I see things lol
There is stuff in this mod I want to appreciate but I just can't because of the paywall. I want to remind everyone that that's illegal. You can donate money to mod creators but they can't put a price tag on their content. And there are mods out there like Fallout London that make entirely new games but still respect the law, which really just makes GoE feel so scummy
I like how they added tons of weapons that seem insanely cool, but the bad areas, bad or mediocre bosses, and fact that they paywalled it means I'll probably never play. I'll stick to Convergence and look into Reforged since I've never heard of it.
Reforged is basically "Elden Ring but without Miyazaki's refusal to fully experiment with already tried-and-true mechanics" - plus significantly more gameplay customization.
Absolutely recommend Reforged and Convergence. Personally Convergence is my favorite mod. Those devs are so talented, Convergence was incredible for DS3 and it’s incredible for Elden Ring. The GoE mod can’t hold a candle to Convergence.
@cosmic2750 I've beaten 3 different versions of Convergence and one of them, 1.4.4 I think, me and my friend went thru in Seamless and beat like 10 times with different classes and combos, it was so much fun. Me and him are currently playing through 2.1.1 in Seamless and doing a reigonlock challenge together to mess with all the new stuff and fight all the new bosses. Convergence is def my favorite mod. I've tried out Reforged since my comment and, while I think what they did is insanely cool and I AM having fun, I really don't like it nearly as much. It feels like I'm trying to unlearn everything I learned by playing Convergence, and doesn't really seem to add that much more to the game outside of the new mechanics with combat and stats. Kinda disappointing, but I'll still see it through to the end just because vanilla-ish ER is nice after all this time playing exclusively Convergence.
The waterfowl that they use in this is one that was in vanilla but removed early on because it had no tell as to when it was happening other than remembering patterns. If I remember correctly, it happened a LOT after she did that double slash copy attack
@@Ambre2022 It's that they are making people pay for an unofficial modification to a game that the person has already bought. The only times that mods should be PTP is if they're actual, 100% new content added onto the game, and not just a reshuffle of the game with some extra additions (like GoE) ESPECIALLY since most of the "new" stuff is just items ported form the other games and color changes.
Yep they definitely did work hard and it is just five dollars, one small problem however, it is not their IP and they are making money off of it. They also must know that what they are doing is by all definitions a crime and have decided to run that gambit. My only issue is that I see it as reckless behavior that puts the modding community as a whole at risk. Why give these suits even more reason to shut down the party and force everyone to go to their lame storefront where every mod now has a price tag. You say If you don't think it's worth paying for then don't play it or make it yourself and I can see where you're coming from but you could just as easily say you should not be getting into modding expecting any sort of financial gain but purely for the love of the game you are modding as at the end of the day it is not your IP, you are using other peoples hard work (not just game assets but even down to the years of brand building and marketing), without their permission, to enrich yourself.
No, that's not how that works. After all, you aren't paying for their mod. You're paying for their patreon. It's literally a trick that is decades old, and it's a very deliberate aspect of Patreon. You could truly never bring a case against them that stipulates that the mod is "pay to play" because it isn't, and GOE has stated that it will be free and that it's only behind their Patreon because it's a WIP. Now, whether you believe that or not is one thing, but the stated intent and the legal "loophole" (it isn't even really a loophole) are more than enough to stave off any legal issues. And, frankly, at the end of the day - Fromsoft literally doesn't care. It doesn't affect them in any way, they don't lose profits when GOE gains. The legality of this is more about how people *think* this should be illegal, but it isn't actually. It doesn't put anyone at risk. It's just a talking point used in discussions about whether GOE is regarded favourably or not. It holds no weight outside of this, and Patreon has been specifically used in this way for a multitude of IPs that are re-molded (but not enough to be considered original content) and accessible only to Patreon members. Again, it is part of why Patreon operates the way it does and it is intended. Also, I do think it's genuinely naive to expect modders to make things for free. As a modder, I delight in making mods for people who wouldn't know how to make it themselves, and I delight in making it freely accessible. However, I'd spit in the face of someone that *expects* mods to be free, as if all of the time, effort and mental energy exerted isn't worth compensation in any way. Or as if it's somehow wrong to seek compensation for a (perceived) well-made product that you know is being enjoyed. (Also, this isn't speaking to claims of more blatantly fucked up shit like the accusations of stealing content - which seems to not entirely be true? - or other nefarious things. I'm speaking specifically to this perceived issue of legality and the whole "why pay for mods!!" bit)
@barnes9211 I completely agree your hard work and efforts should be compensated so as a modder, how are you compensating the marketing team for their hard work building the brand that you are now piggybacking off of to enrich yourself, as an example? Would you be able to successfully lock your mod behind a paywall if there was no audience that others worked hard to obtain? Sure the patreon loophole has been around for a while but with the steady increase in monetisation and games as a whole gaining a larger audience how much longer until one of these mod teams is making so much money off of an IP that isn't theirs that it becomes worth a legal battle for the larger companies? How much fight do you think Patreon is going to put up once all the big boys like EA, Ubisoft, and Nintendo come knocking? They don't even have to be legally in the right, they just have to see the possible money in shutting it down and bringing it in house as worth more than what they'll spend on a drawn out legal battle. Don't get me wrong I 100% agree with the statement that modders hard work should be compensated and expecting a mod to be free is insulting but on the flip side is it not insulting to the entire team that worked on the game for years that some guy can come and make some changes to their assets and AI behaviour and slap it behind a paywall and charge your hard earned customers for access? And finally, it's one thing for you to have a place for fans of your mods to support you on their own accord, it is a whole other thing entirely to lock a mod behind a paywall. It's a whole lot harder to argue people are not paying for the content that legally isn't yours than if it was a simple donation page.
Honestly if such an effort was made that you would want to be compensated for it as if selling a product why not at that point make a new game yourself? Lots of engines out there and sure you won't have the ground laid out to you out of Elden Ring but at least you won't be riding the back of others work without proper compensation to the original developers who built that foundation. It's why i think tipping modders should 100% be reccomended and highly sugested. But putting it behind a paywall without giving anything to the OG devs of the game just feels wrong. Though i am not really a fan of paywalling mods the best and fairest way to go about it is on the developers paid workshop. But that opens a whole other can of worms that might hurt the community as a whole. Modders also need to understand that if you are putting a price on your mod then it will be judged as a product worth that price and thus will be judged more harshly than a free mod. That goes doubly so to overhauls of this size especially with strong competition that are literally free alternatives.
@@mrstalfos7489 "Honestly if such an effort was made that you would want to be compensated for it as if selling a product why not at that point make a new game yourself? " And to this, I have to ask whether you have experience in either because, in my experience (and as it is commonly understood, to my knowledge), the difference in effort between making practically any kind of mod (no matter how extensive) and making an entirely new game is so ridiculously large that this registers as a complete false equivalence. Secondly, I wonder why you assume that one would only want to be compensated for it if it was "such an effort", an effort which is comparable with making a new game according to that sentence. Why would that be the benchmark for when I'm compensated? If someone wants something and I spent two hours of my time making it instead of working my job or spending my time as I pleased, wouldn't I deserve to get compensated for that just as much as I'd deserve it if I spent a year? Is it not the expenditure of my time that I am being compensated for, however small or large the expenditure? "but at least you won't be riding the back of others work without proper compensation to the original developers who built that foundation." Are you an artist, by any chance? I could be wrong, but I'm going to assume not since this sort of perspective (in my experience, of course) tends to come from people who appreciate art but don't really make any art of their own, and thus approach things like "fairness", "fair use" and "compensation to the foundation" from a heavily law-informed perspective. Now obviously, this read might be completely off but even then, my critique about the perspective remains. This simply isn't how art of any kind works, and people almost never expect art to operate like this until it comes to people making derivative art that *they think* isn't worth compensation. First of all, look no further than the fact that it is *entirely normal* to pay for mods in *many* games, especially those where modding is *more* accessible (*and I'm not talking about developer-hosted marketplaces*). And, as you said, the vast majority of popular free mod makers for every game, Elden Ring included, *still do* make money from their mods through donations. Would you have them return the money donated to them for a mod that only gained traction because FromSoft made Elden Ring? What is the difference between the money those modmakers earn and the money GoE earns beyond the fact that one requires you to choose to pay before you enjoy the product, while the other lets you choose at any time? The vast majority of art is derivative, and that is a fundamental and base acceptance of anyone in the industry. This is why laws around this, for example, exist not to prevent you from earning money from a derivative source, but to prevent you from earning money from *another person's work*. People like GoE are creating entirely new and separate experiences from Elden Ring, using Elden Ring as the medium *not the product*. Why would the developers be compensated for a product/experience they didn't make? After all, one is paying to experience the product that is **the Garden of Eyes mod**, not to experience **Elden Ring**. You're paying for the time it took XYZ modder to make the thing you want to enjoy, FromSoft does not factor into that at any point in time. So let's slowly zoom out from paid modmaking: If I'm a famous content maker hosting exclusive PvP arenas with paid entry for folks interested, should FromSoft be compensated? What about for paid events that happen in MMOs, should the MMO developers be compensated just because they're hosting the game (a fact that remains unchanged whether or not these events happen)? If people are paying to watch me play a game, should the developers of the game take a share of my profits since they made the game that I'm profiting from - even though I've already bought the game? If I made a game based on my love and appreciation for another game, should the developers of the origin game be compensated just because I wouldn't have made the game if I hadn't played theirs? How far out does this perspective extend for you, and why? Modders that put a price on their content **do understand** that folks like you will judge them more harshly for it, but that's the **only** thing you should be able to do. You can choose to say "I won't buy this mod because I don't think the content is worth the price", but you can't use that to call into question whether or not it should have a price. And yes, while you haven't directly stated that it shouldn't cost money, the entirety of your comment does boil down to "well... it probably shouldn't, it feels scummy". And I think that's a completely unfair evaluation that is worth re-assessing. The people playing the GoE mod are people that have already bought Elden Ring. FromSoft has *already* been compensated - FromSoft's compensation is *required* for access to the mod in the first place. What they are paying for (or not paying for) is the catered experience that folks like GoE have created for them.
@@barnes9211 Ok friend let's go bit by bit: Any amount of effort can be compensated i did express the sentence wrong and for that i apologize. Time is the only resource a person cannot replenish that i agree. Derivative art is fine building it over an artists work without giving them a say however is not. Lets take a different outlook here. Let's say someone continued the book The Count of Monte Cristo for whatever reason. Now people would need the book itself to get the context for the new fan work but do you think it fair a person can pick an entire artform, the story, the world, the characters, and profit from it with out a word to the original creator? Let's put it in another way you are a modder correct? Then how would you feel if they picked up your work with no direct word to you at all, made a few additions and sold it? Would it be fair then to pick others art give them a modification and sell em without telling the artist at all? "Modders that put a price on their content *do understand* that folks like you will judge them more harshly for it". Ok let me just correct this statement because i might have not have expressed it properly. There is no folk like me. I wouldn't judge the pizza my neighbour Betty made and charged 2 bucks like a 5 star meal. That said it would be judged MORE harshly than other alternatives with lower price that is just a fact of life. Especially with competitors with just as much quality but with no price. I am not a fan of paid mods that much is true. However you misunderstand i do not wish for it to not happen or be prohibited. Look i get it I donate to modders because i like their work and want more of it and maybe give some return for them doing good work on something they love. However that's not what most people do. Charging for the mod on itself is not wrong at all on itself IF done properly. And the way GoE is going about it ain't it chief. Giving the original creator of whichever work they are building upon, especially when they are using said creators previous work, at the very least a notification is the bare minimum. From Software, big as they are, and mainly their devs are the artists in this instance. They like it or not have the same rights as independent artists. And should also be treated with the same respect and decency one would another artist. If you want to be compensated for your time spent on building upon a mod that is fine just have the bare minimum of at least notifying the creators about it and let them decide how to proceed. Especially when this is not a fanart or derivative work. This is BUILT on top of an existing work using the tools created by the original minds behind it without any of their knowledge.
crazy move to put this mod up with Convergence and Reforged when its a heap of legal issues and slop and when the only moments you seemed to really enjoy were when you were literally just fighting DS3 bosses
Man, after watching this, it made me really appreciate the Convergence that much more. Everything they add is at least an ATTEMPT at being unique and fitting for Elden Ring. It's not just hard rips of DS2 & 3 bosses or an absurd amount of effect spam. I really recommend checking out the newer content for it because it's been like 15 months since you checked it out and they've added A TON to the game including different mounts, further re-made areas, tons of new bosses, weapons, armor and armor effects and they show NO signs of slowing down.
This mod perfectly encapsulates why I don't bother with big mods like this for Fromsoft-games: the modmakers don't have the experience of Fromsoft and don't understand ANY of design choices behind bosses, areas, enemies, weapons etc. that make the games fantastic and you just get a bunch of "cool" bullshit that's unfun or an eyesore most of the time.
Yeah balancing is usually the problem but I also think it has to do with different interests. I play Souls games to have a challenging experience that gives me a rewarding feeling while some others especially in Elden Ring just abuse broken stuff and practically skip the game. This mod is that idea but x100.
List of "why does Garden of Eyes is bad": 1. The mod is behind paywall and it's illegal to sell something that aren't your if you say "but developer needs money" yes they does but if you take someone's work and tell them that it's your it is not allowed 2. He steal assets from other modder, same answer as no.1 3. Garden of Eyes is Sanadsk which steal content from other creator and modder 4. The mod has zero balancing, just slop like it just the reverse of the intention of Fromsoft
Besides the legal issues with paid mods, I also feel like if all you did was use the assets that the game already has to put them together to create a new experience, that alone isn't enough to call it yours and start asking for money. Look at Minecraft mods, for example, those people are creating entire new assets and even systems that Vanilla could only dream about, and they are still free.
Minus the illegal and unethical behavior I gotta say this mod looks and sounds like cheeks, which sucks because I was excited to play it (even if I was just gonna end up pirating it)
My problem with pay-to-play mods is the precedent it has the potential to set; if this mod does well enough and makes a substantial amount of money for the devs, then every single mod developer under the sun will begin paywalling their mods. It's the same reason we have so many microtransactions today, it paid off just enough back in the day that now way too many developers began cutting content just to sell it back to us!
The thing is it’s not even 5 dollars for the mod forever, it’s 5 dollars a month to keep playing the mod and they can take it away whenever since it’s on their own launcher
23:00 Wraithking Jareel is a reference to a cut boss from the first Dark Souls game! If i remember right, he was on the roof of a church in New Londo and got replaced with the 4 kings by the end i think
I feel like there was a mod for DS1 where you could fight Jareel in the tomb past Gwyndolin. It was teased at the start where he could be found in a cell in the Asylum.
PLEASE replay convergence. There's so many new weapons and bosses since you last played. Genuinely the best Elden Ring mod, if not one of the best mods in general.
Even without the apparent... fluster cluck going on about the legitimacy of the mod, it being a pay to play mod, etc., I just gotta say the mod looks... super rough. Like my primary issue is that it's not telling a new story at all in any capacity. Why are these new threats here, what purpose do they serve to the worldbuilding? To me those are kinda important and should be followed up with quality which... they don't seem to meet the mark of. That Oedon fight looked like a masterclass disaster. Fortissax was an elegant way of implementing deathblight in a fight imo but the captain of the Crucible Knights, it kinda looked like he was applying it as easy as one might apply poison which is NOT how that should go, sweet Jesus. When the highlights of the mod are essentially "Things That Aren't Ours" (DS3/Bloodborne bosses) then I think that should be a red flag. Also what was the point of some of the scene changes? Like turning Raya Lucaria into a blood temple? What purpose did that even serve in the grand scheme of things other than "Blood is everywhere! Oceans of blood!"? And I saw the Malenia fight on another channel, but I gotta say I think she (as well as a couple of other bosses) have had their speeds reduced a noticeable amount and other bosses simply don't move nearly as fast as they should. When you pointed out Margit felt slower, that's because he WAS slower and it's not just him either, I would bet. I dunno, there just seems to be too much bad that greatly outweighs the good and we haven't even gotten to the weapons which seem like they do the thing people don't like the most in Elden Ring- they kinda play the game for you. I'm not saying that it's impossible for an official weapon/spell to do that (Looking at you Ancient Dragon Lightning) but that AoW you used on Malenia did like what? 6k damage or something? That's... a bit on the high end imo unless she has just a ridiculous vulnerability to fire damage for... reasons.
OMG so that parry setup with the crucible knight boss was near the experience I had with the DLC Rakasha Boss with my melee build. I kept eating his spam till my brain went. "Oh right Phantom Means PC combat. That means parry." Was wonderful.
quid pro quo is the legal term for a contract/deal. it translates to "a favor or advantage granted or expected in return for something." by selling access to the mod, even though it's a "donation" Garden of eyes is in fact going into a contract with every donator. A contract that involves selling Bandai Namco's intellectual property and assets. yeah, no judge is ever going to side with that argument. and if any of Bandai Namco's lawyers caught wind of this a cease and desist letter could be sent to terminating the mod. The mod violates Intellectual property rights and is in fact against the law.
I like the weapons, and I like the IDEA of new bosses and boss changes…but honestly the mod would have better mileage if they just put a bunch of Bloodborne and DS3 bosses into the game and called it a day. I ain’t paying 5 bucks for Elden Beast reskins.
@Duggybud they both share Radagon as a father. Who is technically also Marika, Miquella's mother.... so does that make them half brothers or three quarter brothers?
💀"Garden of thief" will sound more believable. We all remember that he was always a criminal and a thief. We all see that his content is a joke against the backdrop of real good mods that are created by donations and available to everyone without a special thief launcher. Stop protecting him, and start protecting those mod creato whom he once robbed in order to start his own business.
MAYBE Convergence, but the other two are absolutely not the Big 3 of Elden Ring mods lmao Randomizer and Seamless are for SURE part of the Big 3, I guess you can throw Convergence in there because I can't really think of another one that's on the level of Randomizer and Seamless
@@dumpykong, tbh idk what you mean by same classification. Like, if you mean the Big 3 of ER overhaul mods, then sure, but they're for sure not the Big 3 of mods in general I'd probably say the overhaul mods are technically bigger than Randomizer and Seamless in terms of what all they do and change, but Randomizer and Seamless are for sure the most popular and well known mods for ER
I’m saying that convergence, goe, and reforged are all overhaul mods, and they’re the 3 biggest of that classification. Seamless co-op is a multiplayer mod so it’s not really comparable, and then the randomizer isn’t adding anything, it’s just mixing up what’s already there
The reason I don't like most mods like this is because it feels like they just slapped on some new visuals, added some explosions to already annoying bosses and called it a day. That's why I'd much rather do a randomizer or seamless coop. And exactly as you said, they do too much. With the convergence mod it's enough to be enjoyable and new, but this amount of effects is just dookie.
oh boy, a paid mod with assets lifted from another game, im sure they put a lot of work into it but if they are willing to steal assets from others i am MORE than willing to pirate their mod.
1:06 is definitely a take ngl. It's making money off another copyright which is highly illegal. Yes, I could go make it myself, but then I'd make it for free to avoid consequences lol
Nothing against paid mods as long as they don't use pre-existing assets (assets from other games or other mods or what-have-you). If you use a pre-existing asset then you have to make a deal with whoever owns the asset and how large a cut do you need to give the owners of said assets (assuming you even get permission to use them). I doubt GoE has made a deal with Sony to use BB or DKS assets.
The thing that's off-putting with this mod in particular (aside from the paywalling of something that legally they can't and shouldn't do) is that so much of the fights either are ripped bosses from other games (sometimes with horrible textures like the Beast clone or the Ornstein and Smough replacement of the godskin duo) or the excessive amount of pure busywork on screen in terms of visual fx or absurd attack chains that are too luck-based to dodge reliably at times. I'm glad that my first experience with Elden Ring revamps was recently with Convergence, as not only is the mod ethically available via ZERO paywall bs, because it has so many interesting spins on being able to more freely build or play however you want with some of the extra classes, weapons, spells, etc. Convergence is the example of a mod done well - done as a passion project, fully available with no silly or arbitrary restrictions, and adds to an already pleasant experience. Meanwhile, as others stated, GoE doubles down on some of the games weaker elements, and then adds messes of it's own on top of that that truly just make it difficult to find any reason to want to try it in the first place even watching snippets of it here. EDIT: To add, doubling down on the stance of "if you don't like it, make it yourself" in regards to the paywalling of the mod is REALLY bad form, and this being I believe the first way I found out about this channel leaves a very bad first impression of entitlement and a lack of any sort of moral decency.
If FromSoftware's copyright system is against paid mods, similar to how Microsoft is with Minecraft (when they aren't in their own store), then setting sail on the high seas for these mods shouldn’t be a problem for the modmakers either.
so the thing about elden ring animations, aparantly it is for some reason it’s impossible to create new movesets so modders can only string together existing animations from elden ring/other fromsoft games
Where this mod really sinks is that many of the new bosses are just 1 to 1 reskins of bosses we already have. Only Consort Malenia doesn’t seem to suffer from this issue, working in moves from her original moveset, Lady Maria, and various Sekiro enemies, which although we’ve technically seen it before, helps the fight feel fresh with all the new ways these moves flow together. Another mod that has a fantastic example of this is the Convergence mod with its Godskin Matriarch, who seems to blend moves from O’Rin from Sekiro, and Sister Friede from DS3
Paying for mods is not a bad idea, but when i play modded skyrim the number of mods is around 300 because of all armor and weapons, and if all mods cost even 1 dollar, its a 300 dollar purchase, which is not fun at all, knowing some devs will abandon their mods, some will just be ruined by updates and etc. Edit: Also what if you literally cant buy the mod, because the service wont let you? What do you do then?
Please let me know if im wrong, but pay to play mods dont really sound very legal? Anything that profits off of the original developers' work doesn't seem like it would be legal. I totally understand that some mods expand upon a game massively. I would happily pay to play calamity, the terraria mod. Still, wouldn't it be kinda like bootlegging to sell a mod for a game you didn't make?
The reason it’s fully legal is because you’re gaining access to the mod through patreon. So technically you aren’t paying for the mod, you’re making a donation, and that donation happens to let you play the mod. You also aren’t purchasing any sort of license, and there’s no EULA involved. I do understand what you’re saying though lol it could definitely be seen as sketchy
@dumpykong thanks for letting me know. It definitely seems a little sketchy, but im glad that the developers atleast wont bump into legal trouble about the whole thing. Ive known people who made mods for things like pokemon and were taken down by nintendo despite not selling the mod. Its better to be safe than sorry when messing with multi million dollar game development studios.
@@dumpykong Ah yes, just like just finding drugs on the ground after giving a stranger some crisp cash out of the kindness of your heart. It couldn't just "be seen" as sketchy, it 100% is.
Bad take, charging for a mod is unethical, and always wrong. You are piggy backing off of the elden ring IP for free publicity. You could take the same amount of effort and make something of your own great. Instead you're stealing publicity, assets, and work from a bigger company and pay walling because....? No good reason tbh. They literally ripped models from other games they didn't make, put it into a game they didn't make, and then charged you 5 dollars. Sorry, but you're cringe if you support them. The convergence team instead lets you enjoy their fantastic work, with a library of past mods, only asks for donations if you're enjoying it, AND they're making a studio after they're done on the ER mod. Give them 5 dollars. Not GOE dev team. Notice how I wrote this entire comment and I didn't even need to bring up the controversy. Everything I didn't bring up is just icing on the cake that is this shit situation.
fun fact, the 1st phase gael boss is based off of a cut enemy/boss from dark souls one that is theorized to have been the original boss of New Londo ruins instead of the 4 kings. Zulie the witch goes over Jar Eel quite a bit, you should totally check up on them (sorry if people have already commented this lol)
already pirated the game, might as well pirate this too, mods shouldn't be something you pay for, unless this mod was made by todd howard then I completely understand
Wait, but Rennala summoning a weak echo of Radagon is actually so peak though. It makes sense from lore, since they were married for so long, it makes sense in gameplay, since her whole deal in phase 2 is summoning help, and it makes sense as foreshadowing, getting a small taste of the final boss. This mod definitely has its problems, but it also has some killer ideas, man.
the crucible knights remind me of the berserkers from god of war ragnarok, where you have to defeat 12 berserkers in order to fight king Hrolf (hardest boss fight in the game other than gna, hrolf also teleports like cambria)
Just a reminder, them charging IS ILLEGAL. OBJECTIVELY WRONG. That's why people are upset about it. I understand if you didn't know that but I think it's important to know going forward
It’s not illegal lol, they’re not selling a license and they technically aren’t even selling a product at all. You’re donating to the patreon and in return they share the mod they made. I don’t really think it’s worth your time to be upset about because it doesn’t really affect you in any way. If you don’t want to play it, then you don’t have to lol. If you don’t want to pay, you don’t have to, just don’t play it
@ OH entirely my bad. Hadn’t heard of Garden of Eyes before this outside of “They’re charging for their mod” so I took it at face value. Patreon is a different thing. Sorry!
@@astrylpg its just a legal loophole, its still really bad to make content locked behind a paywall, its not a donation its access to a modified variation of the game thats only available through payment. you cannot get the product without paying for it... which is still selling lol
@@kakashilover9231 im genuinely surprised that you made it that far at lvl 40, so just go around and kill some side bosses, get runes, level up, and come back
For bosses like jareel, who was just reskinned gael, I would’ve rather they just put actual gael there. Like the reskins just feel like kind of a waste if that makes sense
@@dumpykong having gaels moveset on a boss that fits gaels rig would make more sense than just using another character that doesnt fit gaels moveset would be good.
@@dumpykong i know how a boss feels is probably more important than any technical aspects but Jareel is a combination of Blaidd and Gael anims, not just Gael. They're pretty 50/50 too. If I were to choose sth I'd rather keep Jareel rather than Gael since his moveset is a bit more unique by virtue of being a combination of things as opposed to just Gael. I make bosses for GoE but I did not make this one. I rly dislike us having bosses from previous games in the mod, I personally think people should buy those games if they wanted to fight those bosses. (This includes even if the mod came out of early access.)
From what I am hearing, it seems like the GoE developer(s) may be stealing other mod makers assets, and if those claims are substantiated, then you absolutely should not pay for this mod lol. I don't really know enough about it to say anything for sure, but I will add this as an addendum to my review: If you're interested in playing the mod, then you should do some research and make sure you feel good about paying for it before you play. If anyone has more info about the topic feel free to add onto this comment :)
I mean they are stealing from other modders just as much as they are stealing from fromsoft, there’s a reason paid mods aren’t a thing, because when you have to pay for the mod it becomes theft of the original property for a commercial product, and I encourage anyone who bought this to distribute it to others for free, because it’s far more cringe to steal someone else’s game for your own profit even if it’s a corporation
It wouldn’t surprise me given the amount I’ve heard of the controversy, and while it may not technically be illegal since you aren’t allowed to copyright any mods you make without fromsoft’s permission it is definitely illegal to charge for a mod for a game you don’t have the rights to
A little bit more information, Garden of Eyes had also been known as sanadsk/omegafantasy who was (is? idk) a pos, and there has been plenty of drama around that name. Probably why he changed it in the first place
Garden of Eyes is a notorious grifter that had to change their online name + brand multiple times due to these claims (That are mostly true) and you absolutely should not support them.
Why was my comment deleted and why do I keep getting notifications about this even though my comment was deleted
It is explicitly stated in the fromsoft terms of service that it is prohibited to monetize the assets made by fromsoft
I see... well it seems the mod devs didn't read ToS lol
This is standard and true for pretty much every single game or piece of media that's put out. If you ever agree to a ToS before playing a game, i promise you its in there.
No idea how this guy has gotten away with this for so long. @Setuaro
Exactly this. It doesn't matter what anyone's opinion is, making people pay for mods is against every major games ToS. Mod makers love to complain when they get hit with DMCA's but they themselves open themselves up to it.
Not to mention it gives the ammunition for companies to hate modders more than they already do, especially Japanese game studios.
@@jamescash5706 Unless it's a pokemon mod. Nintendo is just very hostile
@@ATigerShark I'd go as far as to say Nintendo is the same as the others, albeit more protective. But it doesn't stop people from giving Nintendo actual ammunition.
It is TELLING how Dumpy's favorite moments are him fighting unaltered bosses from DS3 lmao
Honestly that makes me wish for a mod where they add bosses from DS3 with no reskins or gimmicks just to see how they feel to fight in Elden Ring
I do wish they updated the movesets to match Elden Rings Endgame roster, more combo mixups and that kinda stuff.
there's NO WAY dude i have to see this for myself
13:42 HELLLLP THATS SO FUNNY
the part that slays me the most is that the parts he likes the least is when Garden of Eyes tries to do something actually original with the reused assets. Like when the Godskin Executioner uses a different moveset for its phase 2 than he expected, he feels *let down???* that bothers me so much
Garden of Eyes used to go by Sanadsk a few years back, and was quite notorious in the Souls community for stealing other people’s findings and other scummy things.
i personally have no issue paying for this. He put in work and if he wants to charge it he can. But im very aware ok Sanadsk and i didnt know he rebranded into Garden Of Eyes hmmm
@@DomagojStivic the “work” he put in, according to others, was spending a couple of months taking other people’s stuff and using it for his own mod
GOE IS SANADSK????????
that's MIND blowing. I used to follow him.
@@DomagojStivic He cant, its against from software policy ,also he steal alot , less work, more steal
Glad more people are becoming aware of this. Sanadsk is a talentless hack.
the only issue i have with pay-to-play mods is possible issues with fromsoft's copyright, as the mod devs are making money off of from's assets. (not saying it doesn't take effort to mod tho)
Exactly this. No sane person is denying the sheer effort it takes to make a mod it's more trying our best not to step on any big corporations toes and have them start scrutinizing mods as a whole. All it takes is one large enough company being pushed too far to set the precedent and open the flood gates.
especially mods like this that rely so heavily on franchise assets and nostalgia lol
say with honesty bro, this shit is unbelievable, Miyazaki like that people mods his games, he even openly said that at one point, shit like this will make the Fromsoftware ban mods just like other companies, and they'll not be in the wrong this time, you give freedom for the fans and look how they repay you
@@Mat69420kfromsoft never had any problem with mods tho. But you should not profiting from mods since most of assets is from fromsoft works and they just added bunch of stuff on it. Though fromsoft seems doesnt mind since they didnt take any action againts it. It literally illegal, thats why a lot of company can take legal action againts something like this
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But you cam avoid this legal issue using donation instead and make whatever mods you make free. Its a way to appreciate their effort. Thats why i give more respect to those modders than modders who sell their mods
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But yeah i do respect fromsoft from letting them do it. They care more about community more than profit it seems. Even tho some of them doing literal illegal activity
That's what Im wondering about too. I feel like donations are a good way to make some money without the possibility of running into problems with copyright.
Convergence is so much better and more ethical and it’s free lol
It's better to give them those 5$ than to give it to a thief. The difference between those who make art and just earn money is sometimes simply amazing.😂
@@whydidiwatchthis5174 wtf ur saying?
@@Mat69420k as in giving it to the convergence mod makers is better
@@Mat69420ksaying the $5 should go to convergence instead
@@Mat69420kprobably, donation > fee
While I appreciate this overview of the mod and your general unbiased take on it I definitely think it’s hard to ignore some of the scum more stuff GOE does with his mods, including usage of AI without consent of the original voice actors, alleged theft of other modders’ assets, and the fact that it is just literally illegal to make mods behind a paywall.
That is a major bummer to hear :( if those things are true then I absolutely advise against paying for this mod LOL
@@dumpykongyeah, they used other mods' assets for their own and put a pay wall without giving a cut to the original modders
Trying to be objective and shed some light, because there's a lot of misinformation. Don't take this as me blindly defending, I have my own gripes.
I'll go over each separate point, the AI voice lines, modder's assets, and the legality of paywalling.
There's no AI voice lines, just in-game voice lines, cut content and in the case of Miquella, that was Garden himself acting with a voice changer, funnily enough.
As for other modders' assets, Seamless Co-op was packaged with the launcher, which caused a whole controversy because LukeYui clearly indicated his mod should not be packaged with other mods long before that. Garden was definitely at fault there, but he was completely shut out from the modding community afterwards, with any apologies disregarded.
To be clear, it was definitely his fault and he should not have done that (whether because of ignorance or malice, doesn't matter). The repercussions were harsh, but I don't know the full context so it could definitely be justified.
Other than the repackaging of Seamless Co-op to make multiplayer easier to access, there's no assets or content from other mods in GoE. And since Seamless was removed from it long ago, that is also not an issue at present time either. I don't blame anyone for not liking GoE for this, but it is something in the past.
Putting a mod behind a paywall is not inherently illegal, by the way, and the EULA for the game doesn't disallow mods, paid or otherwise.
What is however a legal issue is that content from previous Fromsoft titles are included. Gael, Soul of Cinder, Nameless King, Lady Maria... Even the Alonne armor and such. This is using assets from games the player doesn't necessarily own, which is against the EULA of those games. They should absolutely be removed from the mod as soon as possible. Realistically speaking this is an issue for both paid and unpaid mods, and a LOT of mods use assets from previous games.
@@BigDBrianThank you. It's been hurting my head watching all the commenters just spread misinformation. I don't like paid mods either, but it's wild to lie about the project and pretend that it's illegal because you don't like it.
@@BigDBrianMost of the assets in the mod come from Elden ring itself and are simply reused. The mod legally cannot be pay 2 play based on its content.
Its interesting how different convergence and GOE game design philosophy is.
Convergence: players hate these aspects about the game so lets remove those!(Double fights, annoying areas, status)
GOE:players hate these aspects about the game so lets double down lol!
I can't say I fully agree with Convergence's game philosophy. They should try to improve those aspects instead outright removing them. But GOE philosophy is just putting random shit without meaning or reason. It's atrocious.
This mod feels like it lacks any kind of testing and that's a really big deal when you put a mod behind a paywall.
Don't forget NPC fights with all these "invaders", literally everyone hates those, especially after Leda
@@vanjaarsic1616 convergence's "philosophy"???? It's a video game mod, if you want it done differently make your own it's not for you
@@Daevectus I didn't want it to seem like I don't like the mod, in fact I love it. Just because It's a mod It doesn't mean I can't criticize it though. I mean It's free so I can't complain too much. But I would recommend you to refrain from using "make your own" or "do it yourself" argument. It can be valuable to hear out opinions even when they don't exacly align with yours. Because otherwise It can lead to one being too self absorbed.
Imagine making a mod thats flipped assets from the developer and then having the audacity to try to charge for it lmao. Imminent cease and desist
It costs just 2$ For a reason lol
It's not the price for assets, it's the price for his efforts & modding skills. (Or if u think it takes no effort & knowledge for making a mod as big as GOE's then try making one for urself.
@@Dedbread608"if you don't like it make it yourself" an argument that has been used to deflect criticism of art since its inception. Maybe if he was so good at modding, he wouldn't have to flip assets and charge for them. It's scummy, no matter how you look at it.
@jacobash5904 looks someone's 2-3 month of efforts being sold for 2$ pricetag no matter how I look at it.
@@ec5400 I think selling your own mods is legal.
There is a difference between Drug dealer & a Engineer who's making mods for a living ✌️
@@Dedbread608yeah, you're absolutely right
The dealer deserves the money and the other doesn't
Garden of Eyes is gonna be flipping burgers once Nightreign comes out lmao
Or the C&D letter arrives. Some companies are nice enough to do that first... others start with a subpoena.
The Tower of Flame feels like what a 12 year old would think is cool lol. Lava, lightning, dead dragons, tornadoes and all the random stuff they liked from DS2
Bro you are describing the dragon peak area from the dlc 😂
GODDAMN YOU'RE RIGHT...but the Dragon Peak was well composed while this place was basically just dumping all those things into a stew lol.
Nice Enki pfp btw
It looked like bowser’s lair
The issue people have isn't that people don't think mod's shouldn't be paid to play, it's that it's quite literally illegal and Garden of Shite is breaking the law for what is retrospectively a janky pile of garbage
Since when did we become cyber police? It's somebody else's job to seek into the legality of this not ours lol
@@alexlun4464 You don't need to be a police officer to call out asshole behavior and point out it's also illegal ON TOP of that.
Also it's not just "the law", it's also kind of an unwritten rule. You take someone else's work, take it down a different route and either enjoy it yourself or share it with others, slowly growing a project and improving something with other people of the community. You don't go "money now", after jankily cobbling together some stolen shit on a game you didn't make.
@dowfreak7 ... okay? But a lot of people make stuff on Patreon that breaks copyright law. I'm talking about custom pokemon art for example. Suddenly it's also illegal for them as well to get commissioned for their work??
It just baffles me how everyone suddenly cares about the law, if I didn't know better I'd say you're all being petty because someone is charging for a mod. He might be an asshole but don't sell that crap that you all care about the law lmao
@@alexlun4464 people care because he literally is stealing from the original creators and ALSO stole (allegedly) from actual small content creators.
lets not give him any excuses.
@duckyduckington9736 then cry about that but don't be crying illegal 🤣 also wdym stealing from the original creators as in stealing from Fromsoftware???
Remember the outcry of paid mods from Bethesda? When almost every one us agreed that paid mods should not be a thing? Yeah, good times.
It's one reason I despise part of what the ffxiv modding scene is like - there's a very strong proponent of people that due the equivalent of janky looking second life stuff that they either straight up paywall or "early access on patreon/ko-fi" sliminess. And yet you're the bad guy for calling out bad ethics for paywalling that stuff when there's no legal right that they have to do so.
@@TheGamingDavester and then have an audacity to tell the certain race players have bad ethics and straight up go all the way to bully and etc etc.... not to mention that ff14 by default, doesn't allow you to mod by TOS... love how they have some of worst double standard lmao
Even tho the mod looks really interresting, it is just illegal to charge money for a mod, and it's also morraly wrong to charge money for a redesign of already existing bosses, or in the case of Gael just stealing a boss as a whole.
Edit: I am not saying that it is easy to make something like this, all i am saying is, that you shouldn't chagre money for other peoples work
yeah
Theres dev team def effort put into the mod, but yeah, GoE adding vanilla SoC, Gael, and maria, and putting it behind paywall is not only obvious that is illegal but also crazy.
Also so many of the lore they adding that just doesnt make sense at all, and the art direction thats doesnt fit the entire game aesthetics
Also most of the bosses are just made for cool factor without balancing at all
Garden of yikes trying to make a boss without flashbangs challenge (Impossible)
ok so any good comments about the mod or only criticism?
@@DomagojStivic It has crazy amounts of content. Can't argue with that. But for me they are mostly disappointing
"This mod gets me, it just knows I love this edgelord nonsense"
That is the blue eye knight armor from Demon's Souls I think, it was actually in one of the Souls games for real lmfao
That’s so funny, I thought it was familiar, but I assumed it was a dark souls 2 lol
Also I like the Jareel fight. "A not so familiar boss." Undead King Jareel was actually a cut concept boss from Dark Souls 1 that was gonna be tied to the New Londo Ruins in some way. He was a darkwraith and had a kind of more advanced darkwraith moveset, and his grab attack lowered your level like King Allant in Demon's Souls. Not many people know of Jareel since he was never officially in the game, but his code still exists in the game's files and some mods for DS1 include make him an encounterable boss. I think it's cool to pay respect to that, even though they gave him Gael's moveset instead of his own that played with his darkwraith gimmick, but it is still cool.
@@dumpykong It definitely does give off DS 2 vibes, I think it is really cool. Also I didn't even realize you replied to me, I replied to myself because I am actively watching your video and commenting as I see things lol
when im in a copying boss moveset competition and my opponent is garden of eyes:
Go online and find it for free. Paying for mods is a copyright violation already so yea
There is stuff in this mod I want to appreciate but I just can't because of the paywall. I want to remind everyone that that's illegal. You can donate money to mod creators but they can't put a price tag on their content. And there are mods out there like Fallout London that make entirely new games but still respect the law, which really just makes GoE feel so scummy
Having a patreon or a kofi is fine but mods legally speaking are not allowed to cost money
@@realhadesreturn but having it locked behind a paid patreon also counts. Not that that was what you were implying, I just wanted to state that
I like how they added tons of weapons that seem insanely cool, but the bad areas, bad or mediocre bosses, and fact that they paywalled it means I'll probably never play. I'll stick to Convergence and look into Reforged since I've never heard of it.
100% recommend reforged it's got some pretty stuff.
Reforged is basically "Elden Ring but without Miyazaki's refusal to fully experiment with already tried-and-true mechanics" - plus significantly more gameplay customization.
I wonder if you could pirate it.
Absolutely recommend Reforged and Convergence.
Personally Convergence is my favorite mod. Those devs are so talented, Convergence was incredible for DS3 and it’s incredible for Elden Ring. The GoE mod can’t hold a candle to Convergence.
@cosmic2750 I've beaten 3 different versions of Convergence and one of them, 1.4.4 I think, me and my friend went thru in Seamless and beat like 10 times with different classes and combos, it was so much fun. Me and him are currently playing through 2.1.1 in Seamless and doing a reigonlock challenge together to mess with all the new stuff and fight all the new bosses. Convergence is def my favorite mod.
I've tried out Reforged since my comment and, while I think what they did is insanely cool and I AM having fun, I really don't like it nearly as much. It feels like I'm trying to unlearn everything I learned by playing Convergence, and doesn't really seem to add that much more to the game outside of the new mechanics with combat and stats. Kinda disappointing, but I'll still see it through to the end just because vanilla-ish ER is nice after all this time playing exclusively Convergence.
0:12 bro did you replace Drake's face with Epstein. 😂😂😂
That’s Drake bro wym??
@dumpykong LoL
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The waterfowl that they use in this is one that was in vanilla but removed early on because it had no tell as to when it was happening other than remembering patterns. If I remember correctly, it happened a LOT after she did that double slash copy attack
I thought we all agreed that pay to play mods are bad?
Why is it bad that people want yo get money for their work ?
@@Ambre2022 it’s not as simple as that
@@BigDaddy0Kev yes it is ?
yes and no. while i do think mods should, for the most part, be free, as a developer myself, i do understand people wanting to be paid for their work
@@Ambre2022 It's that they are making people pay for an unofficial modification to a game that the person has already bought. The only times that mods should be PTP is if they're actual, 100% new content added onto the game, and not just a reshuffle of the game with some extra additions (like GoE) ESPECIALLY since most of the "new" stuff is just items ported form the other games and color changes.
Yep they definitely did work hard and it is just five dollars, one small problem however, it is not their IP and they are making money off of it. They also must know that what they are doing is by all definitions a crime and have decided to run that gambit. My only issue is that I see it as reckless behavior that puts the modding community as a whole at risk. Why give these suits even more reason to shut down the party and force everyone to go to their lame storefront where every mod now has a price tag.
You say If you don't think it's worth paying for then don't play it or make it yourself and I can see where you're coming from but you could just as easily say you should not be getting into modding expecting any sort of financial gain but purely for the love of the game you are modding as at the end of the day it is not your IP, you are using other peoples hard work (not just game assets but even down to the years of brand building and marketing), without their permission, to enrich yourself.
No, that's not how that works. After all, you aren't paying for their mod. You're paying for their patreon. It's literally a trick that is decades old, and it's a very deliberate aspect of Patreon. You could truly never bring a case against them that stipulates that the mod is "pay to play" because it isn't, and GOE has stated that it will be free and that it's only behind their Patreon because it's a WIP. Now, whether you believe that or not is one thing, but the stated intent and the legal "loophole" (it isn't even really a loophole) are more than enough to stave off any legal issues.
And, frankly, at the end of the day - Fromsoft literally doesn't care. It doesn't affect them in any way, they don't lose profits when GOE gains. The legality of this is more about how people *think* this should be illegal, but it isn't actually. It doesn't put anyone at risk. It's just a talking point used in discussions about whether GOE is regarded favourably or not. It holds no weight outside of this, and Patreon has been specifically used in this way for a multitude of IPs that are re-molded (but not enough to be considered original content) and accessible only to Patreon members. Again, it is part of why Patreon operates the way it does and it is intended.
Also, I do think it's genuinely naive to expect modders to make things for free. As a modder, I delight in making mods for people who wouldn't know how to make it themselves, and I delight in making it freely accessible. However, I'd spit in the face of someone that *expects* mods to be free, as if all of the time, effort and mental energy exerted isn't worth compensation in any way. Or as if it's somehow wrong to seek compensation for a (perceived) well-made product that you know is being enjoyed.
(Also, this isn't speaking to claims of more blatantly fucked up shit like the accusations of stealing content - which seems to not entirely be true? - or other nefarious things. I'm speaking specifically to this perceived issue of legality and the whole "why pay for mods!!" bit)
@barnes9211 I completely agree your hard work and efforts should be compensated so as a modder, how are you compensating the marketing team for their hard work building the brand that you are now piggybacking off of to enrich yourself, as an example? Would you be able to successfully lock your mod behind a paywall if there was no audience that others worked hard to obtain? Sure the patreon loophole has been around for a while but with the steady increase in monetisation and games as a whole gaining a larger audience how much longer until one of these mod teams is making so much money off of an IP that isn't theirs that it becomes worth a legal battle for the larger companies? How much fight do you think Patreon is going to put up once all the big boys like EA, Ubisoft, and Nintendo come knocking? They don't even have to be legally in the right, they just have to see the possible money in shutting it down and bringing it in house as worth more than what they'll spend on a drawn out legal battle.
Don't get me wrong I 100% agree with the statement that modders hard work should be compensated and expecting a mod to be free is insulting but on the flip side is it not insulting to the entire team that worked on the game for years that some guy can come and make some changes to their assets and AI behaviour and slap it behind a paywall and charge your hard earned customers for access?
And finally, it's one thing for you to have a place for fans of your mods to support you on their own accord, it is a whole other thing entirely to lock a mod behind a paywall. It's a whole lot harder to argue people are not paying for the content that legally isn't yours than if it was a simple donation page.
Honestly if such an effort was made that you would want to be compensated for it as if selling a product why not at that point make a new game yourself?
Lots of engines out there and sure you won't have the ground laid out to you out of Elden Ring but at least you won't be riding the back of others work without proper compensation to the original developers who built that foundation. It's why i think tipping modders should 100% be reccomended and highly sugested. But putting it behind a paywall without giving anything to the OG devs of the game just feels wrong.
Though i am not really a fan of paywalling mods the best and fairest way to go about it is on the developers paid workshop. But that opens a whole other can of worms that might hurt the community as a whole. Modders also need to understand that if you are putting a price on your mod then it will be judged as a product worth that price and thus will be judged more harshly than a free mod. That goes doubly so to overhauls of this size especially with strong competition that are literally free alternatives.
@@mrstalfos7489
"Honestly if such an effort was made that you would want to be compensated for it as if selling a product why not at that point make a new game yourself? "
And to this, I have to ask whether you have experience in either because, in my experience (and as it is commonly understood, to my knowledge), the difference in effort between making practically any kind of mod (no matter how extensive) and making an entirely new game is so ridiculously large that this registers as a complete false equivalence.
Secondly, I wonder why you assume that one would only want to be compensated for it if it was "such an effort", an effort which is comparable with making a new game according to that sentence. Why would that be the benchmark for when I'm compensated? If someone wants something and I spent two hours of my time making it instead of working my job or spending my time as I pleased, wouldn't I deserve to get compensated for that just as much as I'd deserve it if I spent a year? Is it not the expenditure of my time that I am being compensated for, however small or large the expenditure?
"but at least you won't be riding the back of others work without proper compensation to the original developers who built that foundation."
Are you an artist, by any chance? I could be wrong, but I'm going to assume not since this sort of perspective (in my experience, of course) tends to come from people who appreciate art but don't really make any art of their own, and thus approach things like "fairness", "fair use" and "compensation to the foundation" from a heavily law-informed perspective. Now obviously, this read might be completely off but even then, my critique about the perspective remains. This simply isn't how art of any kind works, and people almost never expect art to operate like this until it comes to people making derivative art that *they think* isn't worth compensation.
First of all, look no further than the fact that it is *entirely normal* to pay for mods in *many* games, especially those where modding is *more* accessible (*and I'm not talking about developer-hosted marketplaces*). And, as you said, the vast majority of popular free mod makers for every game, Elden Ring included, *still do* make money from their mods through donations. Would you have them return the money donated to them for a mod that only gained traction because FromSoft made Elden Ring? What is the difference between the money those modmakers earn and the money GoE earns beyond the fact that one requires you to choose to pay before you enjoy the product, while the other lets you choose at any time?
The vast majority of art is derivative, and that is a fundamental and base acceptance of anyone in the industry. This is why laws around this, for example, exist not to prevent you from earning money from a derivative source, but to prevent you from earning money from *another person's work*. People like GoE are creating entirely new and separate experiences from Elden Ring, using Elden Ring as the medium *not the product*. Why would the developers be compensated for a product/experience they didn't make? After all, one is paying to experience the product that is **the Garden of Eyes mod**, not to experience **Elden Ring**. You're paying for the time it took XYZ modder to make the thing you want to enjoy, FromSoft does not factor into that at any point in time.
So let's slowly zoom out from paid modmaking: If I'm a famous content maker hosting exclusive PvP arenas with paid entry for folks interested, should FromSoft be compensated? What about for paid events that happen in MMOs, should the MMO developers be compensated just because they're hosting the game (a fact that remains unchanged whether or not these events happen)? If people are paying to watch me play a game, should the developers of the game take a share of my profits since they made the game that I'm profiting from - even though I've already bought the game? If I made a game based on my love and appreciation for another game, should the developers of the origin game be compensated just because I wouldn't have made the game if I hadn't played theirs? How far out does this perspective extend for you, and why?
Modders that put a price on their content **do understand** that folks like you will judge them more harshly for it, but that's the **only** thing you should be able to do. You can choose to say "I won't buy this mod because I don't think the content is worth the price", but you can't use that to call into question whether or not it should have a price. And yes, while you haven't directly stated that it shouldn't cost money, the entirety of your comment does boil down to "well... it probably shouldn't, it feels scummy". And I think that's a completely unfair evaluation that is worth re-assessing.
The people playing the GoE mod are people that have already bought Elden Ring. FromSoft has *already* been compensated - FromSoft's compensation is *required* for access to the mod in the first place. What they are paying for (or not paying for) is the catered experience that folks like GoE have created for them.
@@barnes9211 Ok friend let's go bit by bit:
Any amount of effort can be compensated i did express the sentence wrong and for that i apologize. Time is the only resource a person cannot replenish that i agree.
Derivative art is fine building it over an artists work without giving them a say however is not. Lets take a different outlook here. Let's say someone continued the book The Count of Monte Cristo for whatever reason. Now people would need the book itself to get the context for the new fan work but do you think it fair a person can pick an entire artform, the story, the world, the characters, and profit from it with out a word to the original creator?
Let's put it in another way you are a modder correct? Then how would you feel if they picked up your work with no direct word to you at all, made a few additions and sold it? Would it be fair then to pick others art give them a modification and sell em without telling the artist at all?
"Modders that put a price on their content *do understand* that folks like you will judge them more harshly for it". Ok let me just correct this statement because i might have not have expressed it properly. There is no folk like me. I wouldn't judge the pizza my neighbour Betty made and charged 2 bucks like a 5 star meal. That said it would be judged MORE harshly than other alternatives with lower price that is just a fact of life. Especially with competitors with just as much quality but with no price.
I am not a fan of paid mods that much is true. However you misunderstand i do not wish for it to not happen or be prohibited.
Look i get it I donate to modders because i like their work and want more of it and maybe give some return for them doing good work on something they love. However that's not what most people do. Charging for the mod on itself is not wrong at all on itself IF done properly. And the way GoE is going about it ain't it chief. Giving the original creator of whichever work they are building upon, especially when they are using said creators previous work, at the very least a notification is the bare minimum.
From Software, big as they are, and mainly their devs are the artists in this instance. They like it or not have the same rights as independent artists. And should also be treated with the same respect and decency one would another artist.
If you want to be compensated for your time spent on building upon a mod that is fine just have the bare minimum of at least notifying the creators about it and let them decide how to proceed. Especially when this is not a fanart or derivative work. This is BUILT on top of an existing work using the tools created by the original minds behind it without any of their knowledge.
crazy move to put this mod up with Convergence and Reforged when its a heap of legal issues and slop and when the only moments you seemed to really enjoy were when you were literally just fighting DS3 bosses
I love how obviously you can see which assets are stolen and which ones aren’t cause of the drop in quality lmao😭
Pay to play but they can’t even bother to rename the Grafted Scion 💀😭
1:10 i think you forgot that garden of eyes steals assets from other modders
Do you know if there's proof of this somewhere? I keep seeing people say this and idk what they even mean
Also, its just illegal.
@thwomp1542 i think there is, i will look into its again and find few examples
So from what i can find online he bundled seamless in his subscription.
Man, after watching this, it made me really appreciate the Convergence that much more. Everything they add is at least an ATTEMPT at being unique and fitting for Elden Ring. It's not just hard rips of DS2 & 3 bosses or an absurd amount of effect spam. I really recommend checking out the newer content for it because it's been like 15 months since you checked it out and they've added A TON to the game including different mounts, further re-made areas, tons of new bosses, weapons, armor and armor effects and they show NO signs of slowing down.
This mod perfectly encapsulates why I don't bother with big mods like this for Fromsoft-games: the modmakers don't have the experience of Fromsoft and don't understand ANY of design choices behind bosses, areas, enemies, weapons etc. that make the games fantastic and you just get a bunch of "cool" bullshit that's unfun or an eyesore most of the time.
What about convergence then?
IS THAT ISAAC KRATOS
@@prettyradhandle Yes it is, made by me. A masterpiece, I know!
Yeah balancing is usually the problem but I also think it has to do with different interests. I play Souls games to have a challenging experience that gives me a rewarding feeling while some others especially in Elden Ring just abuse broken stuff and practically skip the game. This mod is that idea but x100.
12:30 *valkyrie flashbacks*
I was JUST thinking that.
List of "why does Garden of Eyes is bad":
1. The mod is behind paywall and it's illegal to sell something that aren't your if you say "but developer needs money" yes they does but if you take someone's work and tell them that it's your it is not allowed
2. He steal assets from other modder, same answer as no.1
3. Garden of Eyes is Sanadsk which steal content from other creator and modder
4. The mod has zero balancing, just slop like it just the reverse of the intention of Fromsoft
That Elden Beast reskin feels like a Calamity boss
Besides the legal issues with paid mods, I also feel like if all you did was use the assets that the game already has to put them together to create a new experience, that alone isn't enough to call it yours and start asking for money. Look at Minecraft mods, for example, those people are creating entire new assets and even systems that Vanilla could only dream about, and they are still free.
Minus the illegal and unethical behavior I gotta say this mod looks and sounds like cheeks, which sucks because I was excited to play it (even if I was just gonna end up pirating it)
My problem with pay-to-play mods is the precedent it has the potential to set; if this mod does well enough and makes a substantial amount of money for the devs, then every single mod developer under the sun will begin paywalling their mods. It's the same reason we have so many microtransactions today, it paid off just enough back in the day that now way too many developers began cutting content just to sell it back to us!
Imagine charging money to basically make a shitty boss remix in Elden Ring lmfao.
Seamless co-op is the dragon ball to Convergence, Reforged, and garden of eyes's Big three
The thing is it’s not even 5 dollars for the mod forever, it’s 5 dollars a month to keep playing the mod and they can take it away whenever since it’s on their own launcher
23:00 Wraithking Jareel is a reference to a cut boss from the first Dark Souls game! If i remember right, he was on the roof of a church in New Londo and got replaced with the 4 kings by the end i think
I feel like there was a mod for DS1 where you could fight Jareel in the tomb past Gwyndolin. It was teased at the start where he could be found in a cell in the Asylum.
@@XxExtremeSamX I think it was in Daughters of Ash.
PLEASE replay convergence. There's so many new weapons and bosses since you last played. Genuinely the best Elden Ring mod, if not one of the best mods in general.
Dude that Rennala goes so hard I'm simping rn
I'm disappointed, you should have done more research, the creator of the mod is notorious for stealing assets from other modders whitout permission.
6:30 "he destroyed my framerate so i destroyed him" i love that😂
Ah yes
Elden Souls, Prepare to pay, Illegal Edition.
Even without the apparent... fluster cluck going on about the legitimacy of the mod, it being a pay to play mod, etc., I just gotta say the mod looks... super rough. Like my primary issue is that it's not telling a new story at all in any capacity. Why are these new threats here, what purpose do they serve to the worldbuilding? To me those are kinda important and should be followed up with quality which... they don't seem to meet the mark of. That Oedon fight looked like a masterclass disaster. Fortissax was an elegant way of implementing deathblight in a fight imo but the captain of the Crucible Knights, it kinda looked like he was applying it as easy as one might apply poison which is NOT how that should go, sweet Jesus.
When the highlights of the mod are essentially "Things That Aren't Ours" (DS3/Bloodborne bosses) then I think that should be a red flag.
Also what was the point of some of the scene changes? Like turning Raya Lucaria into a blood temple? What purpose did that even serve in the grand scheme of things other than "Blood is everywhere! Oceans of blood!"? And I saw the Malenia fight on another channel, but I gotta say I think she (as well as a couple of other bosses) have had their speeds reduced a noticeable amount and other bosses simply don't move nearly as fast as they should. When you pointed out Margit felt slower, that's because he WAS slower and it's not just him either, I would bet.
I dunno, there just seems to be too much bad that greatly outweighs the good and we haven't even gotten to the weapons which seem like they do the thing people don't like the most in Elden Ring- they kinda play the game for you. I'm not saying that it's impossible for an official weapon/spell to do that (Looking at you Ancient Dragon Lightning) but that AoW you used on Malenia did like what? 6k damage or something? That's... a bit on the high end imo unless she has just a ridiculous vulnerability to fire damage for... reasons.
OMG so that parry setup with the crucible knight boss was near the experience I had with the DLC Rakasha Boss with my melee build. I kept eating his spam till my brain went. "Oh right Phantom Means PC combat. That means parry." Was wonderful.
These videos are always fun to watch. And this one doesn’t fail, well done!
quid pro quo is the legal term for a contract/deal. it translates to "a favor or advantage granted or expected in return for something." by selling access to the mod, even though it's a "donation" Garden of eyes is in fact going into a contract with every donator. A contract that involves selling Bandai Namco's intellectual property and assets. yeah, no judge is ever going to side with that argument. and if any of Bandai Namco's lawyers caught wind of this a cease and desist letter could be sent to terminating the mod. The mod violates Intellectual property rights and is in fact against the law.
21:07 the way i was half listening and locked in at pitwos theme playing
I like the weapons, and I like the IDEA of new bosses and boss changes…but honestly the mod would have better mileage if they just put a bunch of Bloodborne and DS3 bosses into the game and called it a day. I ain’t paying 5 bucks for Elden Beast reskins.
i'll just wait for the definitive edition then wait for the reddit hero to share the mod, meanwhile i play reforged and convergence
making Melania Miquela’s consort is actually weird when you think about what consort means
So is the choice to make Radahn his consort, from non consenting older half brother to potentially consenting twin sister.
To be fair, so is making your half-brother
oh i didn’t know Radahn was his half brother, im gonna have to watch a lore video i guess
@Duggybud they both share Radagon as a father. Who is technically also Marika, Miquella's mother.... so does that make them half brothers or three quarter brothers?
@@blizzardgaming7070 half i think, but that made me think a bit haha
💀"Garden of thief" will sound more believable.
We all remember that he was always a criminal and a thief. We all see that his content is a joke against the backdrop of real good mods that are created by donations and available to everyone without a special thief launcher.
Stop protecting him, and start protecting those mod creato whom he once robbed in order to start his own business.
Who did they steal from?
@@thwomp1542 0:51 oh yeah I wonder who this "John soul of cinder" guy is from?
MAYBE Convergence, but the other two are absolutely not the Big 3 of Elden Ring mods lmao
Randomizer and Seamless are for SURE part of the Big 3, I guess you can throw Convergence in there because I can't really think of another one that's on the level of Randomizer and Seamless
Those are definitely bigger, but they’re not really the same classification
@@dumpykong, tbh idk what you mean by same classification. Like, if you mean the Big 3 of ER overhaul mods, then sure, but they're for sure not the Big 3 of mods in general
I'd probably say the overhaul mods are technically bigger than Randomizer and Seamless in terms of what all they do and change, but Randomizer and Seamless are for sure the most popular and well known mods for ER
Convergence is 100% part of the big 3. It has 1 million downloads alone. It is also the big content mod that people like the most.
I’m saying that convergence, goe, and reforged are all overhaul mods, and they’re the 3 biggest of that classification. Seamless co-op is a multiplayer mod so it’s not really comparable, and then the randomizer isn’t adding anything, it’s just mixing up what’s already there
Nice video again, cheers from Germany. The mod has some cool additions
The reason I don't like most mods like this is because it feels like they just slapped on some new visuals, added some explosions to already annoying bosses and called it a day. That's why I'd much rather do a randomizer or seamless coop.
And exactly as you said, they do too much. With the convergence mod it's enough to be enjoyable and new, but this amount of effects is just dookie.
11:45 oedon is a great one from bloodborne. He’s supposedly the only great one that ascended beyond the others if I’m not wrong
oh boy, a paid mod with assets lifted from another game, im sure they put a lot of work into it but if they are willing to steal assets from others i am MORE than willing to pirate their mod.
1:06 is definitely a take ngl. It's making money off another copyright which is highly illegal. Yes, I could go make it myself, but then I'd make it for free to avoid consequences lol
Nothing against paid mods as long as they don't use pre-existing assets (assets from other games or other mods or what-have-you). If you use a pre-existing asset then you have to make a deal with whoever owns the asset and how large a cut do you need to give the owners of said assets (assuming you even get permission to use them). I doubt GoE has made a deal with Sony to use BB or DKS assets.
The thing that's off-putting with this mod in particular (aside from the paywalling of something that legally they can't and shouldn't do) is that so much of the fights either are ripped bosses from other games (sometimes with horrible textures like the Beast clone or the Ornstein and Smough replacement of the godskin duo) or the excessive amount of pure busywork on screen in terms of visual fx or absurd attack chains that are too luck-based to dodge reliably at times.
I'm glad that my first experience with Elden Ring revamps was recently with Convergence, as not only is the mod ethically available via ZERO paywall bs, because it has so many interesting spins on being able to more freely build or play however you want with some of the extra classes, weapons, spells, etc. Convergence is the example of a mod done well - done as a passion project, fully available with no silly or arbitrary restrictions, and adds to an already pleasant experience. Meanwhile, as others stated, GoE doubles down on some of the games weaker elements, and then adds messes of it's own on top of that that truly just make it difficult to find any reason to want to try it in the first place even watching snippets of it here.
EDIT: To add, doubling down on the stance of "if you don't like it, make it yourself" in regards to the paywalling of the mod is REALLY bad form, and this being I believe the first way I found out about this channel leaves a very bad first impression of entitlement and a lack of any sort of moral decency.
If FromSoftware's copyright system is against paid mods, similar to how Microsoft is with Minecraft (when they aren't in their own store), then setting sail on the high seas for these mods shouldn’t be a problem for the modmakers either.
6:03 yoo it's that dude from ds 2 you can say that he is really "forgotten" (drums in background) get it?
so the thing about elden ring animations, aparantly it is for some reason it’s impossible to create new movesets so modders can only string together existing animations from elden ring/other fromsoft games
Where this mod really sinks is that many of the new bosses are just 1 to 1 reskins of bosses we already have. Only Consort Malenia doesn’t seem to suffer from this issue, working in moves from her original moveset, Lady Maria, and various Sekiro enemies, which although we’ve technically seen it before, helps the fight feel fresh with all the new ways these moves flow together.
Another mod that has a fantastic example of this is the Convergence mod with its Godskin Matriarch, who seems to blend moves from O’Rin from Sekiro, and Sister Friede from DS3
Paying for mods is not a bad idea, but when i play modded skyrim the number of mods is around 300 because of all armor and weapons, and if all mods cost even 1 dollar, its a 300 dollar purchase, which is not fun at all, knowing some devs will abandon their mods, some will just be ruined by updates and etc.
Edit: Also what if you literally cant buy the mod, because the service wont let you? What do you do then?
I'm glad to know this mod is far from something I would enjoy. No need to look for a free copy.
Please let me know if im wrong, but pay to play mods dont really sound very legal? Anything that profits off of the original developers' work doesn't seem like it would be legal. I totally understand that some mods expand upon a game massively. I would happily pay to play calamity, the terraria mod. Still, wouldn't it be kinda like bootlegging to sell a mod for a game you didn't make?
The reason it’s fully legal is because you’re gaining access to the mod through patreon. So technically you aren’t paying for the mod, you’re making a donation, and that donation happens to let you play the mod. You also aren’t purchasing any sort of license, and there’s no EULA involved. I do understand what you’re saying though lol it could definitely be seen as sketchy
@@dumpykong that just sounds like a legal loophole
@@paracame8162 also sounds like its fine to pirate that shit since it doesnt have a EULA or license🤷♂
@dumpykong thanks for letting me know. It definitely seems a little sketchy, but im glad that the developers atleast wont bump into legal trouble about the whole thing. Ive known people who made mods for things like pokemon and were taken down by nintendo despite not selling the mod. Its better to be safe than sorry when messing with multi million dollar game development studios.
@@dumpykong Ah yes, just like just finding drugs on the ground after giving a stranger some crisp cash out of the kindness of your heart.
It couldn't just "be seen" as sketchy, it 100% is.
5:05
Yo king, great video so far in, just wanted to know the song at this moment
Bad take, charging for a mod is unethical, and always wrong. You are piggy backing off of the elden ring IP for free publicity. You could take the same amount of effort and make something of your own great. Instead you're stealing publicity, assets, and work from a bigger company and pay walling because....? No good reason tbh. They literally ripped models from other games they didn't make, put it into a game they didn't make, and then charged you 5 dollars. Sorry, but you're cringe if you support them.
The convergence team instead lets you enjoy their fantastic work, with a library of past mods, only asks for donations if you're enjoying it, AND they're making a studio after they're done on the ER mod. Give them 5 dollars. Not GOE dev team. Notice how I wrote this entire comment and I didn't even need to bring up the controversy. Everything I didn't bring up is just icing on the cake that is this shit situation.
fun fact, the 1st phase gael boss is based off of a cut enemy/boss from dark souls one that is theorized to have been the original boss of New Londo ruins instead of the 4 kings. Zulie the witch goes over Jar Eel quite a bit, you should totally check up on them (sorry if people have already commented this lol)
I would pay any amount of money to use Margit's cane as an actual weapon in official Elden Ring, that weapon fuels the inner druid in me
Standing on the shoulders of giants...
When we getting a pokering 4 or pokering 1 for shadow of the erdtree
The mod hasn't been updated (and doesn't look like it will be updated at all) so I'm not sure if it'll ever be possible :(
Morgott would be cool of he occasionally summoned various gold folk as an assist attack
already pirated the game, might as well pirate this too, mods shouldn't be something you pay for, unless this mod was made by todd howard then I completely understand
Funny seeing a mod that brings previous bosses to the game given the recent reveal.
Love to see you doing great on here bro and keep it up. Hope you been good since I last saw you when you graduated 😭😂
Making ppl pay for mod is illegal but miyazaki and the team are good people and instead of sueing their modders they hired them
⚠MOD IS A SCAM ⚠
Fighting Lady Maria in Elden Ring before Bloodborne is kinda insane
8:06 is it just me or did he say East of florida
21:07 Seeing the Fume Knight Fighting Gael is literally Fromsoftware Peak
I really dislike this mod. Between the AI voices, the assets ripped straight from Fromsoft and other mods, and the paywall, its just inexcusable
Wait, but Rennala summoning a weak echo of Radagon is actually so peak though. It makes sense from lore, since they were married for so long, it makes sense in gameplay, since her whole deal in phase 2 is summoning help, and it makes sense as foreshadowing, getting a small taste of the final boss. This mod definitely has its problems, but it also has some killer ideas, man.
Nah bro they turned Miquella straight 💀
and even more incestuous.
from his half brother to his twin
the crucible knights remind me of the berserkers from god of war ragnarok, where you have to defeat 12 berserkers in order to fight king Hrolf (hardest boss fight in the game other than gna, hrolf also teleports like cambria)
1:06 bruuuuuhhh
4:13 well tbf I did receive my accord shortly after helping her. Unironically
Just a reminder, them charging IS ILLEGAL. OBJECTIVELY WRONG. That's why people are upset about it. I understand if you didn't know that but I think it's important to know going forward
It’s not illegal lol, they’re not selling a license and they technically aren’t even selling a product at all. You’re donating to the patreon and in return they share the mod they made. I don’t really think it’s worth your time to be upset about because it doesn’t really affect you in any way. If you don’t want to play it, then you don’t have to lol. If you don’t want to pay, you don’t have to, just don’t play it
@ OH entirely my bad. Hadn’t heard of Garden of Eyes before this outside of “They’re charging for their mod” so I took it at face value. Patreon is a different thing. Sorry!
That’s okay :)
that's still basically the same thing. even if it's not technically illeagal it's still a pretty shady and scummy thing to do imo.
@@astrylpg its just a legal loophole, its still really bad to make content locked behind a paywall, its not a donation its access to a modified variation of the game thats only available through payment. you cannot get the product without paying for it... which is still selling lol
12:34 literally the Valkyrie queen in god of war
Charging for mods is illegal and honestly makes me wanna unsub because you supported it
I was promised chicken big macs with dumpy where are my chicken big macs
Sure, I won't go and find it for free or anything *wink wink*... it's not like it's a mod or anything on the internet.
Remember to steal from Garden of Eyes whenever possible. He is human scum.
hi im stuck on radagon any help would be awesome im level 40 this is my first playthrough
Level up to like 130 you are under leveled
@edeecadin2664 wait are you serious
Bro this is my first souls like game so I had no idea I was supposed to be that prepared lol
@@M.R.B.T_7890 okay not need, but you prolly should be
@@kakashilover9231 is your weapon maxed out?
@@kakashilover9231 im genuinely surprised that you made it that far at lvl 40, so just go around and kill some side bosses, get runes, level up, and come back
5:00 in, the legend of Zelda music hits diff
You claim to dislike reskins in base game Elden Ring but your favorite things here are literally copy pasted dark souls assets
real
For bosses like jareel, who was just reskinned gael, I would’ve rather they just put actual gael there. Like the reskins just feel like kind of a waste if that makes sense
@@dumpykong having gaels moveset on a boss that fits gaels rig would make more sense than just using another character that doesnt fit gaels moveset would be good.
@@dumpykong i know how a boss feels is probably more important than any technical aspects but Jareel is a combination of Blaidd and Gael anims, not just Gael. They're pretty 50/50 too.
If I were to choose sth I'd rather keep Jareel rather than Gael since his moveset is a bit more unique by virtue of being a combination of things as opposed to just Gael. I make bosses for GoE but I did not make this one. I rly dislike us having bosses from previous games in the mod, I personally think people should buy those games if they wanted to fight those bosses. (This includes even if the mod came out of early access.)
LETS GOOOO