I have the eye coach which I got used for a great price. I see the top spin pro also used and tempted to buy it. I like that you explained you are trying to learn with your left hand. I have problem with keeping my eye on the ball and also been working on a more consistent top spin. Thanks for this video. I have to admit I have yet to use my eye coach and I have had it for 6 months!
Thank you Lisa for the video. Looks like Eye Coach is a better fit for me. I am 4.0 with a big flat forehand. it is clear to me that my goal is to improve my overall game. Changing to a different grip in order to have a topspin, I am afraid actually it will ruin my game. To the most, I don't think I am pursuing a career in tennis. LOL
Thank you so much, I’m going to end up getting my daughter both of these, but I would guess it’s probably better to start with the BJK eye coach right?
The Topspin Pro also makes you look at the ball at contact so you don't hit the wings- take a look at any Federer shot to see how stares the ball down at contact. Also not hitting through the ball like a baseball bat (which would knock the TSP over) gives you an immediate feedback of what topspin is all about.
I'm sure the TSP will help with learning the feel of topspin, but if you wanna talk about Roger swing path look at this slow motion video. ua-cam.com/video/PMyqDCj8RLI/v-deo.html You can see just how long the racquet continues FORWARD THROUGH the shot long after the ball is gone and continues fully out to the target. This crazy idea of "brushing" the ball may help some people but I bet it hurts a lot more club level players in the long run unless they learn the need drive through swing.
@@LanceJordan The clip you shared is a return of serve not a forehand groundstroke. Here's a deconstruction of Roger's forehand groundstroke (from the same session I think based on the t-shirt!) that explains that HITTING THROUGH is really the really the crazy idea :-) playmoderntennis.com/blog/?the-roger-federer-forehand-de-constructed I know there are 2 schools of thought on this out there. Sounds like we are in different camps. But that is ok -healthy debate is good for the game!
I'd love to be on your podcast. If you want to contact me please email lisa@thetotalserve.com. let me know here when you send the email in case it gets caught in spam
Well, it’s comparing apples and oranges, really. The topspin pro teaches you how to create topspin. And it’s excellent in achieving that. The eye coach, when used properly develops perfect timing and spacing, and crucially the integration of footwork and movement skills with your technique. The eye coach can train: Topspin Slice Drive Fh Bh Volley Drop shot With the aforementioned fundamentals
@@TheTotalServe Not only nice, but probably cheaper and taking up less space as well. :) And then they'd get sued by both manufacturers of the other products. Helloooo, Billy Jean. :D
I think the 2 inventors see their products as "competitors" so very unlikely that these 2 patented items will combine to be one product. Also, the swing arm timing feature of the Eye Coach would be really difficult to combine with heavy spin of the ball. The ball in a fixed position on the TSPro makes it really easy to produce and repeat the feeling of what topspin is. I suppose it is conceptually doable but the simplicity of each product is the beauty of the whole concept
Hey, thanks for the video! I think I heard you say something that I haven't come across in any of the literature I've read/videos I've watched (I've done quite a bit in the three days it took from ordering my Topspin Pro to its arrival today!) and I was wondering if you could confirm that I understood correctly: the goal with the Topspin Pro is to hit and spin the ball WITHOUT moving it from its position? I've been hitting it and getting quite a bit of movement. I really want to make sure I'm learning the best technique I can, so I really appreciate you taking the time to not only make this video but answer questions on it, as well.
Hi Trintatoo - Phil here, I invented the TopspinPro. The objective is more to spin the ball without touching the screens and less about it moving around. To make it portable we couldn't make it too heavy. So it does actually move a little. Please get in touch via love-all@topspinpro.com if there is anything else we can help with.
I'm so sorry for the long delay. I don't know how I missed this. There will always be some recoil of the ball arm mechanism. the lighter touch on the ball, the less it will move. consequently the less it moves the more upward and forward spin you are generating. If it's moving a lot then you are on the flatter end of things. if it's not moving much, you are getting more topspin
I'm sorry I didn't reply. The more the arm recoils, the flatter you are hitting the ball. I didn't mean to say that the arm will not move at all if you are doing it "right". Topspin is all relative to a shot and a situation. If the arm does not move much at all then you are hitting more topspin (more rotations of the ball) and it will have a much softer sound. If the arm is recoiling quite a bit then you are hitting less topspin (or a flatter ball). Flatter does not mean flat. Neither way is right or wrong Does that help?
Been using an Eastern Forehand and hitting flat for 20 years. Now I want top spin and deciding whether to keep the Eastern grip and just modify the swing path to windshield wiper style. Or switch to SW grip straight away. Think I might start out Eastern and see the topspin result, if topspin is not good enough, then gradually move towards bevel 3.5 grip and then, if necessary, SW grip bevel 4.0... People say SW is superior for spin but don't see why an Eastern grip is inferior to SW grip for generating topspin at the 4.0 rec level.
Hi I'm sorry I missed your message. I would skip trying with the eastern forehand. This is the easiest and cleanest way to get the correct angle of the racket face in the right position for topspin. Otherwise you end up twisting and turning your hand, elbow and arm. This will slow down the racket head, generate minimal spin and potentially cause elbow issues. Let me know if you need some help
I have not tried the TopSpin Pro but for me, the Eye Trainer has been a massive help to my game. But I have always hit with a lot of topspin. In fact it took me years to learn how to drive through the ball and only since using the Eye Trainer for the past year have I developed much more variety on my shots but also a lot more consistency. I think the TopSpin Pro seems more like a one trick pony where as the Eye Trainer allows you to work on many things off the court that are closer to what you NEED to do ON the court. Let's face it, you will never hit a stationary ball on the court. All the topspin in the world won't help you see the ball better and learn to focus on a MOVING target. There are some design flaws in the Eye Trainer, namely that you do need to be careful or you can easily damage your frame if you catch the hard plastic ball holder. There are rubber guards but those can also wear out. But the point of this tool is to really learn to focus your eye and consistently find the center of the strings with a clean controlled swing. I would be interested to try the TopSpin Pro but I'm afraid it might lead may lead back to bad habits I had of hitting TOO MUCH topspin. I would say maybe try it if you don't already have topspin on your shots or if you only know how to hit flat balls. See this video for example of how much more through the ball the pros hit vs exaggerated topspin, yes even Rafa. ua-cam.com/video/lgCokC--lyI/v-deo.html
Hi Lance. It sounds like you do not need the Topspin Pro. I see it as a tool that helps people who do not have the feel and understanding of topspin. And it will allow unlimited practice to reinforce this way of hitting the ball. It lets them feel and experience what it takes to make the ball spin forward. There is also the aspect of sight/vision/ ball watching in order to get clean hits on each ball as well as stroke production. The Eye Coach does have a broader range of concentration: vision/ball watching, timing of each hit, potential approach to the ball. The ball does spin forward but not with any velocity. Lenny's concentration with the Eye Coach is vision and ball watching and the rest is a bonus. Yes, the plastic ball holder can potentially ding the racket. Another inspiration to watch the ball:) Thank you so much for your reply. You have obviously put a lot of thought into this and have done a great job defining the 2 tools
Yes the Eye Coach is very versatile and helpful. If you are a person learning, struggling with the concept of topspin then Topspin Pro can be an invaluable tool to let you feel the actual process of hitting topspin. They are both very valuable in their own ways. Great comments!
Yes of course! The difference here is that w TSP the ball stays in a more fixed position. It doesn’t move as much so perhaps it’s a little easier to stay eye on the ball. But of course it will help. You need to see the ball fully in order to strike it w the intended Topspin. Ball watching is just not the main focus that Phil developed the product for. His primary focus is feeling and developing Topspin ( so more focus on technique) With Eye Coach the ball has a “fly away” effect. The ball is on a swing arm that simulates the ball going away from you. You have to track it out and back in so ball watching is the dominant feature. Lenny’s main focus with EC is vision, no head shift, eye on the ball, timing (so not concentrating most on technique) Both products are great for ball watching, just different
This is awesome and thanks for the review of both of these products. I was familiar with billy jean kings eye coach but never heard of TopspinPro. Thank You.
Sorry for the delay. No they are not for serving. You can most definitely learn to serve with ServeMaster. www.thetotalserve. Check it out for instructional videos and info
For me, the Eye Coach is probably more overall helpful because you need to have timing and focus in order to make it work for you. If you are looking to feel what topspin is and how to generate it, then TopSpin Pro is the one.
This is Lisa Dodson who did the video. My review is rather old now but I stand by all that I said. But, just as an add/clarification on for the video: Topspin Pro: 1. The more the arm that holds the spinning ball recoils, basically the less topspin you are hitting. If it barely recoils then that means you are hitting more spin. Since there are varying degrees of topspin, if you are swinging hard, then the arm will always recoil. But you shouldn't hear a big clunking sound. 2. Use TSP for practicing particular shots: If you are hitting a baseline drive you will have more recoil as you will be driving more through the ball If you are hitting a short angle you should have less recoil as you will be hitting a lot more spin ( more upward than outward on the ball) and probably less speed since it is a much shorter distance to out of bounds 3. Portability is easy 4. When I see people using TSP it is usually on the forehand. Don't forget your backhand! 5. If you are creative then you can use this for developing many shots from different parts of the court. Topspin isn't always hit in the same amount or at the same trajectory. Eye Coach Trainer: 1. If you are hitting topspin, then hit topspin on the Eye Trainer. Topspin comes from an upward swing path that you want to repeat. The ball won't spin much but that is not important with this tool. EC is designed more for keeping your head still, keeping eyes to the ball longer and for timing. 2. Not so convenient to carry around as the base weight makes it pretty heavy but it is certainly doable They are both excellent tools. Players often ask me which one they should choose. Given the descriptions above, you should decide for yourself based on what you want to improve TSP: spin EC: ball watching/timing
Thanks for the response! Both Eye Coach and Topspin Pro have height adjustments. Neither of them will go to shoulder height but definitely higher than optimum striking height
I am debating between these two training tools. I can only afford one. Doesn't the Top-Spin Pro also require you to focus on the ball? In your honest opinion if you could only have one which one would you get. I am a 3.0 player I suffer when it comes to forehands - not getting prepared quick enough, weight tilted back instead of forward, no lag.... Haven't really started training on top spin. Does the Eye Coach give you a better feel for live action balls and rhythm and still offer a spinning ball to teach top spin? Whatever product I choose I will be giving it a workout for sure!
Colleen, I just ordered the Eye Coach pro because I have the bad habit of looking away at contact, which is what it was designed for. Got mine at Holabird sports.
Welcome! Good tool! Don't you need to change the ball often? Because then it's quite expensive...Can children also practice with this tool? Is the height adjustable? Is it a useful tool in tennis education? Can an untalented person develop better with this? I mean the Topspin Pro tool...
Hi. Yes you do need to change the ball but not very often. Of course it depends upon how much you use it. I'm guessing that if you use it 3 times a week for 30 minutes you would need to change it in 6 months? Yes it lowers to a child's height or to practice low balls and extends to a taller height also for tall people and for practicing higher balls. This is made for any player. Talent is relative. Anyone can learn to hit topspin if you get the right guidance. Feeling something is the best way to learn
If you hit the ball like she does on the topspin machine it will go into the net every time. The only way you could get the ball over the net with upstroking it is to hit it FLAT no spin, you have to really pound it with that much spin ...women can't usuall swing that fast.
I hate seeing people "brushing up the back of the ball" unless I'm playing them. I see students of coaches teaching this "hitting" almost vertically. Hilarious.
Hi John. Yes i see it all the time too, teachers trying to teach this vertical hit. what most people don't understand is how difficult it is to approach the ball "vertically" when it is coming in on a flat(ter) plane. You can however hit more vertically when a ball is dropping down from a high point (as a lob might or a very high ball might fall) as opposed to the flatter incoming ball. That is generally not explained well.
Yes they are costly but remember you can use them for years, anywhere and as much as you want or need. Both are quality items. It's hard to know the costs involved in developing, manufacturing, producing, shipping products. And, depending upon where you live, one unit of either product can be the equivalent of 2 tennis lessons. Where I live, one TopSpin Pro would buy 1.25 hours of a tennis lesson😯
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I have the eye coach which I got used for a great price. I see the top spin pro also used and tempted to buy it.
I like that you explained you are trying to learn with your left hand.
I have problem with keeping my eye on the ball and also been working on a more consistent top spin. Thanks for this video.
I have to admit I have yet to use my eye coach and I have had it for 6 months!
Thank you for this video. Excited to start using these two immediately!
Thanks so much for this info! Your input has helped me with what I'm going to purchase tomorrow.
Happy to help
Thank you Lisa for the video. Looks like Eye Coach is a better fit for me. I am 4.0 with a big flat forehand. it is clear to me that my goal is to improve my overall game. Changing to a different grip in order to have a topspin, I am afraid actually it will ruin my game. To the most, I don't think I am pursuing a career in tennis. LOL
Hi Joe. Sounds like you have a realistic view of your game. If you want to pursue the flatter groundstrokes then Eye Coach is the way to go. Have fun!
@@TheTotalServe eye trainer is also great for practicing volleys not just ground strokes
Thank you so much, I’m going to end up getting my daughter both of these, but I would guess it’s probably better to start with the BJK eye coach right?
The Topspin Pro also makes you look at the ball at contact so you don't hit the wings- take a look at any Federer shot to see how stares the ball down at contact. Also not hitting through the ball like a baseball bat (which would knock the TSP over) gives you an immediate feedback of what topspin is all about.
I'm sure the TSP will help with learning the feel of topspin, but if you wanna talk about Roger swing path look at this slow motion video. ua-cam.com/video/PMyqDCj8RLI/v-deo.html You can see just how long the racquet continues FORWARD THROUGH the shot long after the ball is gone and continues fully out to the target. This crazy idea of "brushing" the ball may help some people but I bet it hurts a lot more club level players in the long run unless they learn the need drive through swing.
@@LanceJordan The clip you shared is a return of serve not a forehand groundstroke. Here's a deconstruction of Roger's forehand groundstroke (from the same session I think based on the t-shirt!) that explains that HITTING THROUGH is really the really the crazy idea :-) playmoderntennis.com/blog/?the-roger-federer-forehand-de-constructed I know there are 2 schools of thought on this out there. Sounds like we are in different camps. But that is ok -healthy debate is good for the game!
super great video Lisa! would love to interview you on our tennispal chronicles podcast! you are a legend in teaching!
let me know. will be happy to talk with you.
I'd love to be on your podcast. If you want to contact me please email lisa@thetotalserve.com. let me know here when you send the email in case it gets caught in spam
I'm available for your podcast if you are interested
Lisa@thetotalserve.com
Well, it’s comparing apples and oranges, really.
The topspin pro teaches you how to create topspin.
And it’s excellent in achieving that.
The eye coach, when used properly develops perfect timing and spacing, and crucially the integration of footwork and movement skills with your technique.
The eye coach can train:
Topspin
Slice
Drive
Fh
Bh
Volley
Drop shot
With the aforementioned fundamentals
Which, of course, begs the question of whether or not both could be combined into one contraption?
Wouldn't that be nice?
@@TheTotalServe Not only nice, but probably cheaper and taking up less space as well. :)
And then they'd get sued by both manufacturers of the other products. Helloooo, Billy Jean. :D
I think the 2 inventors see their products as "competitors" so very unlikely that these 2 patented items will combine to be one product. Also, the swing arm timing feature of the Eye Coach would be really difficult to combine with heavy spin of the ball. The ball in a fixed position on the TSPro makes it really easy to produce and repeat the feeling of what topspin is. I suppose it is conceptually doable but the simplicity of each product is the beauty of the whole concept
@@TheTotalServe Great reply. Thanks!
Top bravo pour ces explications ou peux t'on trouver ces appareils ? Merci
Hey, thanks for the video! I think I heard you say something that I haven't come across in any of the literature I've read/videos I've watched (I've done quite a bit in the three days it took from ordering my Topspin Pro to its arrival today!) and I was wondering if you could confirm that I understood correctly: the goal with the Topspin Pro is to hit and spin the ball WITHOUT moving it from its position? I've been hitting it and getting quite a bit of movement. I really want to make sure I'm learning the best technique I can, so I really appreciate you taking the time to not only make this video but answer questions on it, as well.
Hi Trintatoo - Phil here, I invented the TopspinPro. The objective is more to spin the ball without touching the screens and less about it moving around. To make it portable we couldn't make it too heavy. So it does actually move a little. Please get in touch via love-all@topspinpro.com if there is anything else we can help with.
I'm so sorry for the long delay. I don't know how I missed this. There will always be some recoil of the ball arm mechanism. the lighter touch on the ball, the less it will move. consequently the less it moves the more upward and forward spin you are generating. If it's moving a lot then you are on the flatter end of things. if it's not moving much, you are getting more topspin
I'm sorry I didn't reply. The more the arm recoils, the flatter you are hitting the ball. I didn't mean to say that the arm will not move at all if you are doing it "right". Topspin is all relative to a shot and a situation. If the arm does not move much at all then you are hitting more topspin (more rotations of the ball) and it will have a much softer sound. If the arm is recoiling quite a bit then you are hitting less topspin (or a flatter ball). Flatter does not mean flat.
Neither way is right or wrong
Does that help?
Been using an Eastern Forehand and hitting flat for 20 years. Now I want top spin and deciding whether to keep the Eastern grip and just modify the swing path to windshield wiper style. Or switch to SW grip straight away. Think I might start out Eastern and see the topspin result, if topspin is not good enough, then gradually move towards bevel 3.5 grip and then, if necessary, SW grip bevel 4.0... People say SW is superior for spin but don't see why an Eastern grip is inferior to SW grip for generating topspin at the 4.0 rec level.
Hi I'm sorry I missed your message. I would skip trying with the eastern forehand. This is the easiest and cleanest way to get the correct angle of the racket face in the right position for topspin. Otherwise you end up twisting and turning your hand, elbow and arm. This will slow down the racket head, generate minimal spin and potentially cause elbow issues. Let me know if you need some help
Get the book Vic Braden learn the strokes tennis for the future
Braden explains Imho eastern is goodThe western I sometimes use too
Maybe I'm missing something. Federer has an Eastern forehand. Hardly think he's lacking topspin.
Don't change your grip. Just don't. Federer hits eastern and his forehand isn't bad 😁
I have not tried the TopSpin Pro but for me, the Eye Trainer has been a massive help to my game. But I have always hit with a lot of topspin. In fact it took me years to learn how to drive through the ball and only since using the Eye Trainer for the past year have I developed much more variety on my shots but also a lot more consistency. I think the TopSpin Pro seems more like a one trick pony where as the Eye Trainer allows you to work on many things off the court that are closer to what you NEED to do ON the court. Let's face it, you will never hit a stationary ball on the court. All the topspin in the world won't help you see the ball better and learn to focus on a MOVING target. There are some design flaws in the Eye Trainer, namely that you do need to be careful or you can easily damage your frame if you catch the hard plastic ball holder. There are rubber guards but those can also wear out. But the point of this tool is to really learn to focus your eye and consistently find the center of the strings with a clean controlled swing. I would be interested to try the TopSpin Pro but I'm afraid it might lead may lead back to bad habits I had of hitting TOO MUCH topspin. I would say maybe try it if you don't already have topspin on your shots or if you only know how to hit flat balls. See this video for example of how much more through the ball the pros hit vs exaggerated topspin, yes even Rafa.
ua-cam.com/video/lgCokC--lyI/v-deo.html
Hi Lance. It sounds like you do not need the Topspin Pro. I see it as a tool that helps people who do not have the feel and understanding of topspin. And it will allow unlimited practice to reinforce this way of hitting the ball. It lets them feel and experience what it takes to make the ball spin forward. There is also the aspect of sight/vision/ ball watching in order to get clean hits on each ball as well as stroke production.
The Eye Coach does have a broader range of concentration: vision/ball watching, timing of each hit, potential approach to the ball. The ball does spin forward but not with any velocity. Lenny's concentration with the Eye Coach is vision and ball watching and the rest is a bonus. Yes, the plastic ball holder can potentially ding the racket. Another inspiration to watch the ball:)
Thank you so much for your reply. You have obviously put a lot of thought into this and have done a great job defining the 2 tools
Yes the Eye Coach is very versatile and helpful. If you are a person learning, struggling with the concept of topspin then Topspin Pro can be an invaluable tool to let you feel the actual process of hitting topspin. They are both very valuable in their own ways. Great comments!
Thank you for your honest review.
I chose a rebound net for practicing my left forehand a decade ago.
Hi Lisa, would the Topspin Pro also help with keeping your eye on the ball at contact/ somewhat like the Eye Coach? Thanks!
Yes of course! The difference here is that w TSP the ball stays in a more fixed position. It doesn’t move as much so perhaps it’s a little easier to stay eye on the ball. But of course it will help. You need to see the ball fully in order to strike it w the intended Topspin. Ball watching is just not the main focus that Phil developed the product for. His primary focus is feeling and developing Topspin ( so more focus on technique)
With Eye Coach the ball has a “fly away” effect. The ball is on a swing arm that simulates the ball going away from you. You have to track it out and back in so ball watching is the dominant feature. Lenny’s main focus with EC is vision, no head shift, eye on the ball, timing (so not concentrating most on technique)
Both products are great for ball watching, just different
@@TheTotalServe OK thanks!
This is awesome and thanks for the review of both of these products. I was familiar with billy jean kings eye coach but never heard of TopspinPro. Thank You.
You're welcome. Glad you found it helpful
Happy to help:)
Concentration head still Vic Braden book
Can I learn to serve with Eye Coach or Topspin Pro?
No, not with either
Sorry for the delay. No they are not for serving. You can most definitely learn to serve with ServeMaster. www.thetotalserve. Check it out for instructional videos and info
I got both now! :)
They are both great products and especially helpful when you are in a cold winter climate with less access to outdoor play. Have fun!
@@TheTotalServe Like all your tools. ;)
Which have you found more helpful & why? Thanks!
I prefer the #eyecoach actually because the ball is moving and I think it’s more fun. 🤩👍
For me, the Eye Coach is probably more overall helpful because you need to have
timing and focus in order to make it work for you. If you are looking to feel what topspin is and how to generate it, then TopSpin Pro is the one.
This is Lisa Dodson who did the video. My review is rather old now but I stand by all that I said. But, just as an add/clarification on for the video:
Topspin Pro:
1. The more the arm that holds the spinning ball recoils, basically the less topspin you are hitting. If it barely recoils then that means you are hitting more spin. Since there are varying degrees of topspin, if you are swinging hard, then the arm will always recoil. But you shouldn't hear a big clunking sound.
2. Use TSP for practicing particular shots:
If you are hitting a baseline drive you will have more recoil as you will be driving more through the ball
If you are hitting a short angle you should have less recoil as you will be hitting a lot more spin ( more upward than outward on the ball) and probably less speed since it is a much shorter distance to out of bounds
3. Portability is easy
4. When I see people using TSP it is usually on the forehand.
Don't forget your backhand!
5. If you are creative then you can use this for developing many shots from different parts of the court. Topspin isn't always hit in the same amount or at the same trajectory.
Eye Coach Trainer:
1. If you are hitting topspin, then hit topspin on the Eye Trainer. Topspin comes from an upward swing path that you want to repeat. The ball won't spin much but that is not important with this tool. EC is designed more for keeping your head still, keeping eyes to the ball longer and for timing.
2. Not so convenient to carry around as the base weight makes it pretty heavy but it is certainly doable
They are both excellent tools. Players often ask me which one they should choose.
Given the descriptions above, you should decide for yourself based on what you want to improve
TSP: spin
EC: ball watching/timing
What is this please give me the name
One is Topspin Pro (the one on the slant) and the other is Billie Jean King's Eye Coach (ball on a stick)
Can I practice Highballs on either of those
Thanks for the response! Both Eye Coach and Topspin Pro have height adjustments. Neither of them will go to shoulder height but definitely higher than optimum striking height
@@TheTotalServe thank yoi
You could always put it on a box
@@commondirtbagz7130 Yes you're right! if the setting isn't high enough raising it up would do the trick. Thank you!
@@TheTotalServe happy to help :)
I am debating between these two training tools. I can only afford one. Doesn't the Top-Spin Pro also require you to focus on the ball? In your honest opinion if you could only have one which one would you get. I am a 3.0 player I suffer when it comes to forehands - not getting prepared quick enough, weight tilted back instead of forward, no lag.... Haven't really started training on top spin. Does the Eye Coach give you a better feel for live action balls and rhythm and still offer a spinning ball to teach top spin? Whatever product I choose I will be giving it a workout for sure!
Colleen, I just ordered the Eye Coach pro because I have the bad habit of looking away at contact, which is what it was designed for.
Got mine at Holabird sports.
Let me know what you think
Looks like the eye coach is harder on your strings. Just something to consider.
@@SloanZurnToto sooo .
@@kaafaa5944 not very good. I have gone through 2 balls, they don't last very long. I'd say skip it.
Welcome! Good tool! Don't you need to change the ball often? Because then it's quite expensive...Can children also practice with this tool? Is the height adjustable? Is it a useful tool in tennis education? Can an untalented person develop better with this? I mean the Topspin Pro tool...
Hi. Yes you do need to change the ball but not very often. Of course it depends upon how much you use it. I'm guessing that if you use it 3 times a week for 30 minutes you would need to change it in 6 months? Yes it lowers to a child's height or to practice low balls and extends to a taller height also for tall people and for practicing higher balls. This is made for any player. Talent is relative. Anyone can learn to hit topspin if you get the right guidance. Feeling something is the best way to learn
If you hit the ball like she does on the topspin machine it will go into the net every time. The only way you could get the ball over the net with upstroking it is to hit it FLAT no spin, you have to really pound it with that much spin ...women can't usuall swing that fast.
I hate seeing people "brushing up the back of the ball" unless I'm playing them.
I see students of coaches teaching this "hitting" almost vertically. Hilarious.
Hi John. Yes i see it all the time too, teachers trying to teach this vertical hit. what most people don't understand is how difficult it is to approach the ball "vertically" when it is coming in on a flat(ter) plane. You can however hit more vertically when a ball is dropping down from a high point (as a lob might or a very high ball might fall) as opposed to the flatter incoming ball. That is generally not explained well.
Both great tools
Both terribly overpriced. 😮
Yes they are costly but remember you can use them for years, anywhere and as much as you want or need. Both are quality items. It's hard to know the costs involved in developing, manufacturing, producing, shipping products.
And, depending upon where you live, one unit of either product can be the equivalent of 2 tennis lessons. Where I live, one TopSpin Pro would buy 1.25 hours of a tennis lesson😯
cheaper than a ball machine, more convenient than heading to a wall to hit.