I like the way you overlay the TopSpinPro on top of couple of video scene, very helpful to see how the pros keep the angle of their rackets as they make contact.
Great idea to remove the top and thank you for clarifying the guides shouldn't be used to specify the groundstroke path. I recently got my topspin pro and found myself almost slicing up to adjust to the guides and questioning if this is really the right thing to do. It'd be nice if we could adjust the angle of the guides!
Nice vid...I love combining it with footwork for a lil workout. Besides I use it in my courses to demonstrate topspin groundstrokes. It's perfect to habe a standing ball to show the proper stand and distance. My boys love it too...a must have. Found out about it during lockdowns to improve my tennis at home. Nice together with the Bille Jean King-Eye Coach.
Good stuff Jeff. I have the Top Spin pro too and my little 10under champions love it. When I first bought it I had the impression that those guides can be adjusted to different angles and the ball can be tilted with the guides too. I do take the top off like you did and most of the other pros do as well. Maybe the Top Spin Pro 2.0 will have that option. Great UA-cam channel and keep up the great work 👍
@@JeffLewistennis Me neither. I think maybe they should design the next one without the guides and that piece plastic we all keep hitting onto... much like the Billie Jean King Eye Coach but continue with its ease of collapsing and portability. The Eye Coach is heavy. I'm sure you've seen it.
@@steveho7190 They seem to be receptive to feedback. I like the eye coach but prefer the topspin pro because the ball spins more. I like that feedback.
Good video. I really appreciate your mentioning that we should match the racket angle to the guides. Also, I did read the instructions - they chose to exaggerate the vertical angle with the expectation that you will naturally flatten out a bit on the court.
@@JeffLewistennisI WAS WRONG AND YOU ARE RIGHT! Here's an excerpt from the topspin pro website: ISN’T THE ANGLE OF THE TOPSPINPRO TRAINING AID TOO STEEP? At first, it appears that way but the TopspinPro screen is there to represent the ANGLE OF THE RACKET FACE through the impact zone. It does NOT represent the swing path. Federer’s racket angle is typically 79 degrees and Nadal's is 76 degrees through the impact zone. The TopspinPro temporarily removes swing momentum for the purpose of “locking-in” the very same bio-mechanics into your muscle memory. You’ll automatically add swing momentum back into your shot in training & matches. That said, the top and bottom screens on the TopspinPro attach independently, so it’s common practice to take the top panel off once you’ve firmly established the correct technique - allowing you to hit through the ball more. Thanks for all your insights, Jeff!
That is exactly what I did with mine to take the top half off. I don't know the reason to have such a steep angle because the swing path definitely is not that steep.
I heard the site actually gives taking it off as a recommendation. And that the wings are to guide to racquet face angle and not the swing path. Makes more sense that way for sure. Thanks for commenting!
Thanks for the guide. While demonstrating, it seemed like you couldn’t really get the wrist lag going to drive the ball while hitting (i.e., up AND forward). Rather, it was strictly a windmill motion. Is that a drawback? Fine for this exercise?
Thanks for the comment! IMO the main advantage of using a stretch, shortening cycle is to allow racquet head speed with a shorter swing. For me personally the strain it puts on the arm and wrist isn't worth it. Shouldn't change the principles of the swing path and correct way to use the aid 👍.
Hey great video, I was considering buying the topspin pro and I was wondering if it taught back habits ie. Swinging up too steeply and not making proper flat contact and hitting through the ball, and you addressed all of it, appreciate the tips and found it helpful
Is it possible to bend the upper guide where it inserts in order to get a 45 degree angle? The manufacturer might want to sell some add ons at a couple different angles.
Nah they don’t bend. But they flex so you can kinda force the racquet through it. But again they’re intended as a racquet face position guide not a swing path guide.
Hi im thinking about buying top spin pro but i agree that the motion of the racket is more through than in this ludacris 80° angle which is apparently just supposed to regualte racket angle not swing like you said...do you think its fine to just remove the guides completely for example by sawing them of ?
@@Linci10Linci no need to saw they just pop off. Also keep in mind they are quite flexible so it's okay if you contact them. Personally I just like to take the top one off to avoid colliding with it.
Can one hit hard on this device? My daughter (12) has a decent swing and gets moderate spin but she is struggling to hit hard with the topspin action. When she goes to hit hard, she tends to hit flat. She is unable to simultaneously hit hard and 'under and upward'.
I find the topspin pro to be very durable. And replacing stuff isn’t too hard. That being said usually a lack of being able to produce rotation AND compression comes from a misunderstand ing of how the racquet and ball interact. This video gives some important clues to that. As well as the video at my channel home. Keep at it and I’m sure she’ll figure it out!
@@JeffLewistennis Thanks for the reply! Can children also practice with this device? Is the height adjustable? Is it a useful tool in tennis education? Can even a talentless person improve with this?
@@gyorgyfuto4397 Yes you can adjust height. It's my favorite tool for beginner but can also be used to isolate skills for advanced players. Like any tool however it is only as powerful as the coach directing how to use it.
@@JeffLewistennis Thanks! I find that without such a tool it is difficult to teach a person of average or lower ability (there are many of them) the perfect topspin. After I introduce it to them, few can imitate it well. A clever child naturally learns easily. Topspin Pro is sure to be popular with my students.
I'm in a tiny club in the UK {3 courts}. I've learned osmotically and by conscious imitation of shots that interested me including Sampras' inside out topspin backhand, Jana Novotna's roundhouse smash (very useful) and Maureen Atkins' banana shot (lady from the club's way of cutting up short balls by radical crosspin under the ball). Sorry for the digression. I agree with your criticism of what gets called "brushing up the back of the ball" here. A truly awful coach we had taught this and we have dozens of his students practically taking the racket vertically and obviously getting lousy results. I was lucky enough to get a similar product to yours in what we call a charity shop, for £10. Are you aware of a product that has a suspended arm to use for slice shots - possibly even serves? If not - there's an idea for you.
Depends what you want to use it for. Great for technical work with beginners or advanced players who are making a change and want to isolate a skill. I don't feel just hitting on it will make you a better player if your fundamentals are all there or your not working on something specific. A lot of improvement requires live ball action.
It's too easy to make a top-spin hit when the ball is that low. You can do it almost naturally without extra training. The whole different story is when the ball is at the height of your chin and you still want to hit with heavy top spin.
Don’t waste you money on a gadget like this. It’s one thing to hit a ball that’s stationary, and it’s totally different when a ball is coming toward you. Get a decent ball machine.
Thanks for watching everyone please consider subscribing and checking out the links in the description!
I like the way you overlay the TopSpinPro on top of couple of video scene, very helpful to see how the pros keep the angle of their rackets as they make contact.
Thanks for the comment. Yeah the visual came out well.
Thanks!
Great idea to remove the top and thank you for clarifying the guides shouldn't be used to specify the groundstroke path. I recently got my topspin pro and found myself almost slicing up to adjust to the guides and questioning if this is really the right thing to do. It'd be nice if we could adjust the angle of the guides!
Just got one of these. Let’s see how I play tomorrow. Thanks for the tips on how to use it😊
Great suggestion to take the top part off!
Thanks for commenting
Nice vid...I love combining it with footwork for a lil workout. Besides I use it in my courses to demonstrate topspin groundstrokes. It's perfect to habe a standing ball to show the proper stand and distance. My boys love it too...a must have. Found out about it during lockdowns to improve my tennis at home. Nice together with the Bille Jean King-Eye Coach.
Hi Arv , could you please share a video how you combine the footwork with topspin pro. I am sure it will be very useful for my 12 yrs old daughter.
Finally one video about this that is thorough. I might buy this thing
@@rafapazos06 If used properly it's probably the only way to improve ball striking off court.
Good stuff Jeff. I have the Top Spin pro too and my little 10under champions love it. When I first bought it I had the impression that those guides can be adjusted to different angles and the ball can be tilted with the guides too. I do take the top off like you did and most of the other pros do as well. Maybe the Top Spin Pro 2.0 will have that option. Great UA-cam channel and keep up the great work 👍
Thanks Steve! I honestly can’t even picture how it would be designed to encourage the proper swing path AND racquet angle 🤔🤷🏻♂️.
@@JeffLewistennis Me neither. I think maybe they should design the next one without the guides and that piece plastic we all keep hitting onto... much like the Billie Jean King Eye Coach but continue with its ease of collapsing and portability. The Eye Coach is heavy. I'm sure you've seen it.
@@steveho7190 They seem to be receptive to feedback. I like the eye coach but prefer the topspin pro because the ball spins more. I like that feedback.
Good video. I really appreciate your mentioning that we should match the racket angle to the guides. Also, I did read the instructions - they chose to exaggerate the vertical angle with the expectation that you will naturally flatten out a bit on the court.
Interesting. I honestly don’t even know how I would change the thing to encourage the right racquet angle AND an accurate swing path 🤔.
@@JeffLewistennisI WAS WRONG AND YOU ARE RIGHT! Here's an excerpt from the topspin pro website:
ISN’T THE ANGLE OF THE TOPSPINPRO TRAINING AID TOO STEEP?
At first, it appears that way but the TopspinPro screen is there to represent the ANGLE OF THE RACKET FACE through the impact zone. It does NOT represent the swing path.
Federer’s racket angle is typically 79 degrees and Nadal's is 76 degrees through the impact zone. The TopspinPro temporarily removes swing momentum for the purpose of “locking-in” the very same bio-mechanics into your muscle memory. You’ll automatically add swing momentum back into your shot in training & matches.
That said, the top and bottom screens on the TopspinPro attach independently, so it’s common practice to take the top panel off once you’ve firmly established the correct technique - allowing you to hit through the ball more.
Thanks for all your insights, Jeff!
@@lowellwalters Wow! I guess they did kinda know what they were doing! That’s exactly the way I use it.
@@JeffLewistennis raise the front two legs
Great video. Will absolutely do the "removing the top" part. Subscribed!
Awesome! Thanks for the comment!
I just bought one and this video was a great help, thank you!
Awesome! Glad it helped!
thanks for thevideo.. saved me money here thanks
Good tip about using with upper guide off
@@j.d.f20 🤙
That is exactly what I did with mine to take the top half off. I don't know the reason to have such a steep angle because the swing path definitely is not that steep.
I heard the site actually gives taking it off as a recommendation. And that the wings are to guide to racquet face angle and not the swing path. Makes more sense that way for sure. Thanks for commenting!
Nice Agassi Poster !!!
Thanks for the guide. While demonstrating, it seemed like you couldn’t really get the wrist lag going to drive the ball while hitting (i.e., up AND forward). Rather, it was strictly a windmill motion. Is that a drawback? Fine for this exercise?
Thanks for the comment! IMO the main advantage of using a stretch, shortening cycle is to allow racquet head speed with a shorter swing. For me personally the strain it puts on the arm and wrist isn't worth it. Shouldn't change the principles of the swing path and correct way to use the aid 👍.
@@JeffLewistennis So you’re saying you don’t lag your wrist but keep with the roundabout motion only?
@@lukesweeney9774 I think there's varying degrees of it but no. I don't think I use too much lag.
Hey great video, I was considering buying the topspin pro and I was wondering if it taught back habits ie. Swinging up too steeply and not making proper flat contact and hitting through the ball, and you addressed all of it, appreciate the tips and found it helpful
Good to hear. I love it if used properly. Especially for beginner as I don't feel topspin is introduced early enough. Thanks for the comment.
This is definitely useful, I have one of these and I agree it would be great if the ball protruded more.
Glad you found value Paul!
You have it set very low. Should you not have the ball at waist height?
Could be I guess. I think contact height is pretty variable though.
What do you call this gadget and how to order this one?
Learned something new today
Awesome!
Thanks i have aTSP this is a nice demo on it !
Appreciate the comment! Glad you liked the vid.
What is the link to the video regarding the cone that you mention in the beginning?
It’s actually on my other channel Victory Tennis Programs. Not sure I can put a link here but… ua-cam.com/video/x0JKgJoLGlE/v-deo.html
Great tips!!
Thanks!
actually in alt the videos it is exactly the oposite of what u say.
I know. Makes me sad 😞.
Is it possible to bend the upper guide where it inserts in order to get a 45 degree angle? The manufacturer might want to sell some add ons at a couple different angles.
Nah they don’t bend. But they flex so you can kinda force the racquet through it. But again they’re intended as a racquet face position guide not a swing path guide.
@@JeffLewistennis I understand they figure that the swing path will happen naturally when you are hitting a live ball and trying to get depth.
Hi im thinking about buying top spin pro but i agree that the motion of the racket is more through than in this ludacris 80° angle which is apparently just supposed to regualte racket angle not swing like you said...do you think its fine to just remove the guides completely for example by sawing them of ?
@@Linci10Linci no need to saw they just pop off. Also keep in mind they are quite flexible so it's okay if you contact them. Personally I just like to take the top one off to avoid colliding with it.
Ok thanks for advice. Great channel coach i am tennis newbie and all of your videos are really helpful.
@@Linci10Linci Thanks for the kind words! I hope you're enjoying the sport!
Can one hit hard on this device? My daughter (12) has a decent swing and gets moderate spin but she is struggling to hit hard with the topspin action. When she goes to hit hard, she tends to hit flat. She is unable to simultaneously hit hard and 'under and upward'.
I find the topspin pro to be very durable. And replacing stuff isn’t too hard. That being said usually a lack of being able to produce rotation AND compression comes from a misunderstand ing of how the racquet and ball interact. This video gives some important clues to that. As well as the video at my channel home. Keep at it and I’m sure she’ll figure it out!
@@JeffLewistennis thanks for the prompt feedback! I really appreciate it.
Great advice
Thanks!
Great video Jeff!!
Thank you!
I agree with the comment concerning the ball protruding more if that’s any help in future
Welcome! Good tool! Don't you need to change the ball often? Because then it's quite expensive...
They come with an extra ball! I have had mine about a year and it hasnt worn out yet.
@@JeffLewistennis Thanks for the reply! Can children also practice with this device? Is the height adjustable? Is it a useful tool in tennis education? Can even a talentless person improve with this?
@@gyorgyfuto4397 Yes you can adjust height. It's my favorite tool for beginner but can also be used to isolate skills for advanced players. Like any tool however it is only as powerful as the coach directing how to use it.
@@JeffLewistennis Thanks! I find that without such a tool it is difficult to teach a person of average or lower ability (there are many of them) the perfect topspin. After I introduce it to them, few can imitate it well. A clever child naturally learns easily. Topspin Pro is sure to be popular with my students.
Great video
Thanks!
I'm in a tiny club in the UK {3 courts}. I've learned osmotically and by conscious imitation of shots that interested me including Sampras' inside out topspin backhand, Jana Novotna's roundhouse smash (very useful) and Maureen Atkins' banana shot (lady from the club's way of cutting up short balls by radical crosspin under the ball). Sorry for the digression.
I agree with your criticism of what gets called "brushing up the back of the ball" here. A truly awful coach we had taught this and we have dozens of his students practically taking the racket vertically and obviously getting lousy results.
I was lucky enough to get a similar product to yours in what we call a charity shop, for £10.
Are you aware of a product that has a suspended arm to use for slice shots - possibly even serves?
If not - there's an idea for you.
It's a great idea and I think this same company is actually working on that! Thanks for the comment.
I was wondering if anyone were trained with topspin pro? And if it was effective
Depends what you want to use it for. Great for technical work with beginners or advanced players who are making a change and want to isolate a skill. I don't feel just hitting on it will make you a better player if your fundamentals are all there or your not working on something specific. A lot of improvement requires live ball action.
@@JeffLewistennis Thank you so much, Jeff, I got your point!
Do you have a topspin pro training aid?
@Andrew Moe Thanks Andrew! Hope you’re able to find some tough matches!
Yes
Just ordered one last week
It's too easy to make a top-spin hit when the ball is that low. You can do it almost naturally without extra training. The whole different story is when the ball is at the height of your chin and you still want to hit with heavy top spin.
Worst training device ever created - players are not swinging up at 80 degrees.
You can just remove the guides completely by sawing them off 😅
Don’t waste you money on a gadget like this. It’s one thing to hit a ball that’s stationary, and it’s totally different when a ball is coming toward you. Get a decent ball machine.
The ball machine doesn’t fit into my 50m2 flat
@@banditwindsor Mine fit in the front seat of my Mustang.
It's for kids, mate. 😁
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