Great info!!! Thanks for being real...I'd definitely only use a snatch block.....glad I watched this....I almost bought the hype from that ring! Thank you sir!!
It just kinda makes sense. A rolling load is always better than a sliding load. Unless you are trying to stop of course. Friction makes heat and synthetic things do not like heat. Roll baby Roll!
Always enjoyed your careful approach and consideration of "load math", but in this video I also enjoyed your general tone and a fair attitude in your evaluation. Much appreciated!
Planning a winch recovery depends absolutely on [safely] extracting your stucked vehicle - determine 1. the [GVM] (gross vehicle weight), 2. the [surface] you are stuck in and 3. the [gradient] of your predicament. PS: Always do a Stuck Assessment and then decide which recovery method is the safest and most efficient & effective - taking into consideration the recovery gear at your disposal. Thank you Casey for your straight-talk recovery videos - always educational and well presented! Joseph (Cape Town, South Africa).
Superb info! I hear a lot of good things about Yankum products but even good companies take a wrong turn once in a while. I suspect they'll eventually go back to the drawing board but it may take them a while to swallow their pride. I'm not going to put Yankum down and I'm not going to put Casey down, but I'm not going to spend $175 or $130 for a not-so-great recovery ring, either.
glad you mentioned the heat damage, im in AZ, our summer nights are in the high 90s, the day time is even worse. taking that into consideration for my gear list im making.
I wanted to stop the winch at the same final output to determine how much less actual winch force was needed then go back up Was having a minor miscommunication issue with the guy filming the load cells
Thank you for demonstrating what friction does to synthetic ropes / cables. I am not a recovery guy, but I know from life experience that friction reduces efficiency no matter what the application. Edit: I agree with @CDNBVR1 it would have been nice to see the numbers on a chart.
Man I can tell you something I'm super happy that you made this video because I just about went out and bought a few of those things and they're worth a buttload of money and I can't afford to be reckoned 4 by 4 gear so thank you so much for making this video and help me out save me the big bucks
Good lord! Those really cost that much! Is it made of gold? I can tear up my winch line for free. Yeah I’ll stick to my $40 dollar snatch blocks and winch hook.
I've been eagerly awaiting this one. So, If I'm doing my calculations correctly, the yankum 4:1 is 66.3% efficient and the standard 4:1 snatch block setup is 85.2%. So the yankum is capable of a 5 part pull, correct? If I use the same 66.3% efficiency(I imagine it'd actually be even lower with yet another wrap) and I use the same 4686# line pull you used on the 4 part regular block setup, I get a theoretical 15,534# using a 5 part yankum, which is less than the 4 part regular block and maybe even closer to the 3:1 regular block setup depending on how much more you lose from the 5th line on the yankum. I'd be interested to see what you get from a 5:1 on the yankum in the real world. Thanks for doing this testing.
Good Test, from an actual professional! I agree with your assessment, $400 paper weight. Get the family to high ground. Be safe during the hurricane brother. Holler if you need something.. We are just waiting for the one with our name on it....
It’s 400 for the pair List price is 189 each And thanks we are set for the storm and preparing to help others We have the big rigs Winches Chain saws Ect To help clear roadways and get to the flooded areas
@@matt.mckinzie I remember that you bought 2 now that you say it. Still a paperweight though. Yep been there done that, I know that drill all to well... Yall be safe.
For the best price/performance Buying the apex snatch block from harbor freight Or The traveler snatch block from tractor supply is your best budget options ****Not snatch block the the gold thing metal**** So not sure what the ranger one is but hope this helps We currently use the warn snatch blocks They are very similar to the apex style one Just smaller
Have used a winch for 35 years , on much larger equipment than this . These rings are one of the dumbest things to come up with . A long the same lines as the pet rock . It will always cause friction , either on the line or through the hole ,in turn causing damage to one or the other . Just buy a block pulley ! If one winches once or couples times a year , winch rings , will work , along with loosing winching power . A pulley has been around many years , because they work . Fiction causes hp loss or premature damage to any line ,
I don’t have a dog in this fight but I noticed that they quickly doubled the size of their previous ring thereby increasing the radius around the ring as well as through the centre , if the previous size was “ fine” why the added cost of material and manufacturing for the larger size without any explanation that I am aware of. I think the rings are fine for the weekend warrior or overlander who only need it for the rare occasion but I carry two snatch blocks in my 3/4 ton truck and I don’t even notice the extra weight!
@@thepubliceye haven’t looked at their website recently, but originally they only had the one size( smaller) which is where they came up with the use of the centre hole as “pulley”. I have no issue with them improving their product but they do not seem to be forthright in some of their advertising. As an example they said you can use a tree trunk to redirect the line itself( in Casey’s video) which in my option is stupid, not only can it damage the tree but also the rope.
As I recall Casey was the first person to come up with the 3 or 4-part line thing but using the original rings, He even got Allen to come a look at his genius idea. Allen then designed the new ring with the offset to keep the rings centered and not try to rotate. I 100% agree it's a bad idea. Anyway, that seems to be Casey's baby, I hope he addresses this video somehow.
A snatch block is always better why would you want friction? And the price on some of those rings is more than a snatch block of equal or higher rating
Did a rescue class with an 8 part line, has to be pulled by hand, the amount of losses really start to add up with all the blocks working, I think we got down to 50% loss across the system
Thanks for the information, I think I will stay with normal snatch blocks. don't really see the saving on space a selling point, I carry enough for unforeseen problems spare line etc.
Great video, it makes absolutely no sense why you would want to "slide" any kind of line vs. rolling the same line. Friction is not good for any kind of line. That company is a total rip off, plus giving bad technical directions. Stay safe out there in the coming bad weather.
Would like to have seen the Factor 55 snatch rings compared with these but great video ! I think the humidity has alot to do with the rope damage as well as higher outside temps ! I feel you and Casey would get similar results in the same conditions ! Keep up the good work 👍👍
We will do comparisons between the two but that test has already been performed by many Using a ring even the spinning ones perform worse then any pulley block The difference is they don’t ruin ropes and have a slight better performance then non spinning ones And the fact that people claimed Yankum had some kind of magic coating (which is the same coating everyone else has) that eliminates friction and it was unmeasurable was the reason for this test We have plans to test some other products soon Safer Xtract pulley blocks Red winches ring (spins with a bearing) And a few others
I run 17.5K winch, 1/2" line...this ring would not sustain loads I can generate at 4:1 and they are not rated for 1/2" line🤔 However they certainly are large enough to pass it. I have 5 or 6 standard steel snatch blocks, adequately rated for my needs. Just now gearing up to convert the front 17.5k to synthetic and leave rear steel for now. Your vid is both informative and controversial and should create some friction 😂 in the comments and responses. I would like to see this done on a testing rig comparing friction rings to snatch blocks.
i use Apex snatch blocks and metal shackles not a fan of soft shackle. they talk about the damage of metal did you see the damage done with soft shackle on the wrecker games someone could have been killed. you might argue well they weren't using properly do you really think a metal shackle would have broke I DON'T
A metal shackle would not have broke The proper size soft shackle also would not have broke If using synthetic winch line threw a metal apex snatch block I do recommend you to test it with a soft shackle When tight the soft shackle squeezes the snatch block together and makes the gap between the housing and the pulley almost zero Where a metal shackle does not and sometimes allows the rope to push the housing over and let the rope squeeze between the housing and the pulley
nice video, good objectionable information (audio blending could be tweeked) just an average joe liking the info here, my only question to the yankum ring/ snatchblock setup is... is the yankum fairlead/ cable made of another material with a higher temperature resistance? also in FL, seen the synthetic winch line get friction marks from pulleys too, curious if theres anything to be done about it (other than replacing)
Our house got smashed with the tree and we had to move could t find our mics during this video We have them now Heat is a killer of synthetic line not much can be done to prevent it on fairleads or donuts We are looking into testing a special roller fairlead designed for synthetic ropes Also been in contact with a manufacturer throwing ideas back and fourth about a true bearing pulley block We have about 8 years of cnc machine background so giving them our opinion on how to design it and which bearings to use for best performance From a user standpoint The problem is a bearing capable of holding a high axial load are very expensive compared to a low axial force bearing used in like idler pulleys and such A normal sealed ball bearing used everywhere is around $18 but cannot handle 12-20,000lbs of load needed for a snatch block That’s why most use a brass bushing instead of a bearing A high axial load bearing that can withstand that much force is around $100 alone Now once you add that bearing to an already $100-$150 block it’s outside the price range that most people are willing to pay
Great video! Thanks for taking the time to show the difference between the two. What do you think will happen to the yankum block if you use it in a real world recovery where you are dragging the winch rope thru water,sand, mud, etc and then around that solid metal ring?
It will get grooved just like a fairlead We replace our fairleads a few times a year due to grooving on the sides It wears through the coating and starts cutting into the raw aluminum And a fairlead is the same material coating So it’s apples to apples But the fairlead sees a far less force because it’s a minor deflection where the ring is seeing the full force of the winch and trying to multiply it
Same conclusion I drew when I tested with two load cells with a red winches snatch ring a couple of years ago, multi line compounds the issue. They're efficiency hogs. Keep up the great work!
How did that spinning red winch ring work? I’d never use it but we have had questions about it The point of the rings were no moving parts and sacrifices performance One you put moving parts in a ring It’s garbage in our opinion because nothing secures the rope from falling off and now it has moving parts that need maintenance just like a pulley block or snatch block And at that point the cost and performance is better with a regular pulley block or snatch block and I’d never recommend the ring But if you have a video I can just share it instead of purchasing one to test just to show people
Those were very good tests. May I suggest that you show on a comparison chart your findings. It would make it so much easier to understand. Maybe redo this video with the comparison chart at the end of the demo. Also get a remote mike to improve the sound quality as well. I hope you will take my suggestions to heart as they are not meant as criticisms. Watch how Project Farm does his comparisons. I look forward to seeing more of your videos.
We was going to wait till tomorrow for the test And we need to find our wireless mic It got misplaced when the house got destroyed Moving into a camper Then moving into a house And getting ready for a hurricane in the next few days But we already publicly announced we were doing this test so could t back out
Curb weight is what it weighs empty and there is. No where on the vehicle that tells you that specific thing You can take gvrw and deduct max payload to get the curb weight
1; theirs many ways to get out a stuck vehicles, whatever works is good enough 2; I'd almost rather take advise from the many people out their who has and does use this technique many many times vs one that is sponsored by a competitor and only puts a video out bashing new/innovative product made by competition, 3; i hate casey ladelle😂
My comments that detailed multiple errors in your testing were deleted. Can't handle the truth? Having worked in a NATA testing laboratory that tested equipment like this. I'd take the lab's results over yours's any day of the week. Are you saying the lab lied too? @lightweightmudrecoveriesonly
No dog in this fight but I’d be interested to know how far did the rope travel. By watching and listening to your setup there should have been no movement in the rope - it didn’t travel much or any distance but you indicate the rope was damaged. How? I went back to the beginning of the video and the rope looks the same - frayed. How did the ring cause that damage?
He did another test video of these rings where he was dragging a load, that is where the friction burn came from. The ropes are fine but these rings, not so much
Ropes have a slight stretch factor Straps on trees have a slight stretch factor Load cells also stretch a short distance With everything it stretching a few inches compound to maybe a foot or two of moment to reach the rating And during that short distance still damages stuff
I want to know the back story here… it seems like you and Yankum Ropes have some personal issues that you are back biting each other in videos. If you don’t like their products, don’t use them. Simple. If they know all you are going to do is complain about their products, they should stop sending them to you. Simple. I used to be subscribed to your channel until you started doing this and just getting more vindictive. Stick to recoveries… it’s what you are good at.
Hmm 750 videos and we make 2 about a product that’s completely garbage and the company lies to promote sales and you are going to unfollow us?? Well don’t let the door hit you on the way out Have a great day
@@matt.mckinzie I unfollowed you prior to those two videos. I just wanted to see what another you tuber was going on about. I unfollowed them as well. I have also sent a few messages to various companies about retribution videos… you can’t make everybody happy.
I can see that the disagreement between the two parties isn't comfortable, but @offroadrecoveryFL has brought up a pretty serious defect in a product that could lead to equipment failure and possible injuries. I am certainly thankful to be better informed after the demonstration. Thank you @offroadrecoveryFL.
You should consider raffling the rings off for cheap. Help regain your money spent and maybe get you some more views :-) I enjoyed this video went maybe to someone they're better than nothing
We may just give them away to a random customer that dosnt have any gear like we do with a lot of our cheaper gear that we have tested in the past Something is better then. Nothing to some
@6:46 Maybe stupid question and it's for anyone willing to answer, if you live in places like Arizona on days that is can reach 115 degrees does that mean you should not be using synthetic rope? Thanks for the informative video.
Great info!!! Thanks for being real...I'd definitely only use a snatch block.....glad I watched this....I almost bought the hype from that ring! Thank you sir!!
It just kinda makes sense. A rolling load is always better than a sliding load. Unless you are trying to stop of course. Friction makes heat and synthetic things do not like heat. Roll baby Roll!
Always enjoyed your careful approach and consideration of "load math", but in this video I also enjoyed your general tone and a fair attitude in your evaluation. Much appreciated!
Planning a winch recovery depends absolutely on [safely] extracting your stucked vehicle - determine 1. the [GVM] (gross vehicle weight), 2. the [surface] you are stuck in and 3. the [gradient] of your predicament. PS: Always do a Stuck Assessment and then decide which recovery method is the safest and most efficient & effective - taking into consideration the recovery gear at your disposal. Thank you Casey for your straight-talk recovery videos - always educational and well presented! Joseph (Cape Town, South Africa).
Feel like your calling people out without saying exactly what you think..... Keep it up my guy!
Superb info!
I hear a lot of good things about Yankum products but even good companies take a wrong turn once in a while. I suspect they'll eventually go back to the drawing board but it may take them a while to swallow their pride. I'm not going to put Yankum down and I'm not going to put Casey down, but I'm not going to spend $175 or $130 for a not-so-great recovery ring, either.
glad you mentioned the heat damage, im in AZ, our summer nights are in the high 90s, the day time is even worse. taking that into consideration for my gear list im making.
“Reel magic” google it. It’s for fishing line. Including dyneema braided line… You’re welcome. Use heavy after every cleaning of your rope.
Very nicely done video with the different systems and measurements on both ends of each setup.
Great testing, I love these types of tests.
Very educational.
I just went with $30 harbor freight blocks and soft shackles. I already had d-rings. I don’t single line anything including my quad.
I like how you kept bumping the winch with the pulley block vs just stopping with the rings
I wanted to stop the winch at the same final output to determine how much less actual winch force was needed then go back up
Was having a minor miscommunication issue with the guy filming the load cells
Thank you for demonstrating what friction does to synthetic ropes / cables. I am not a recovery guy, but I know from life experience that friction reduces efficiency no matter what the application.
Edit: I agree with @CDNBVR1 it would have been nice to see the numbers on a chart.
Thanks very much for making this video. That was a really interesting, straightforward honest Test.👍🏻
Man I can tell you something I'm super happy that you made this video because I just about went out and bought a few of those things and they're worth a buttload of money and I can't afford to be reckoned 4 by 4 gear so thank you so much for making this video and help me out save me the big bucks
Great video. Good information on the snatch blocks.
Great video brother! Thanks for all the information!!
Good lord! Those really cost that much! Is it made of gold? I can tear up my winch line for free. Yeah I’ll stick to my $40 dollar snatch blocks and winch hook.
Yeah , that's right . Keep METAL , potential projectiles , in your Recovery set-up .
Those plastic rings would probably become a much faster projectile in the case of a line failure.
Now don't upset those boys with facts and figures. haha
Good job.
I've been eagerly awaiting this one. So, If I'm doing my calculations correctly, the yankum 4:1 is 66.3% efficient and the standard 4:1 snatch block setup is 85.2%. So the yankum is capable of a 5 part pull, correct? If I use the same 66.3% efficiency(I imagine it'd actually be even lower with yet another wrap) and I use the same 4686# line pull you used on the 4 part regular block setup, I get a theoretical 15,534# using a 5 part yankum, which is less than the 4 part regular block and maybe even closer to the 3:1 regular block setup depending on how much more you lose from the 5th line on the yankum. I'd be interested to see what you get from a 5:1 on the yankum in the real world. Thanks for doing this testing.
Great info. Thanks budd
Really enjoyed meeting you guys. The hat is outstanding quality.
Good Test, from an actual professional! I agree with your assessment, $400 paper weight.
Get the family to high ground. Be safe during the hurricane brother. Holler if you need something..
We are just waiting for the one with our name on it....
It’s 400 for the pair
List price is 189 each
And thanks we are set for the storm and preparing to help others
We have the big rigs
Winches
Chain saws
Ect
To help clear roadways and get to the flooded areas
@@matt.mckinzie I remember that you bought 2 now that you say it. Still a paperweight though.
Yep been there done that, I know that drill all to well... Yall be safe.
Thanks buddy I got burned only on one big paperweight. I bought 2 large Ranger snatch blocks I hope there not crap either.
For the best price/performance
Buying the apex snatch block from harbor freight
Or
The traveler snatch block from tractor supply is your best budget options
****Not snatch block the the gold thing metal****
So not sure what the ranger one is but hope this helps
We currently use the warn snatch blocks
They are very similar to the apex style one
Just smaller
I have never seen Allen refute your findings but it sure seems to put Casey's panties in a bunch.
Just to clarify something- Casey is never wrong about anything. And he will tell you so.
Have used a winch for 35 years , on much larger equipment than this . These rings are one of the dumbest things to come up with . A long the same lines as the pet rock . It will always cause friction , either on the line or through the hole ,in turn causing damage to one or the other . Just buy a block pulley ! If one winches once or couples times a year , winch rings , will work , along with loosing winching power . A pulley has been around many years , because they work . Fiction causes hp loss or premature damage to any line ,
I wonder how this would do in UL testing. Is it considered a safety item and needs it?
If there is a line failure, I would rather have a plastic chuck flying back towards me than a heavy steel pully.
You are amazing....... Facts......
I don’t have a dog in this fight but I noticed that they quickly doubled the size of their previous ring thereby increasing the radius around the ring as well as through the centre , if the previous size was “ fine” why the added cost of material and manufacturing for the larger size without any explanation that I am aware of. I think the rings are fine for the weekend warrior or overlander who only need it for the rare occasion but I carry two snatch blocks in my 3/4 ton truck and I don’t even notice the extra weight!
There are two sizes,. I stand corrected. Now I recall the smaller ones were even recalled and the new ones were sent out free.
@@thepubliceye haven’t looked at their website recently, but originally they only had the one size( smaller) which is where they came up with the use of the centre hole as “pulley”. I have no issue with them improving their product but they do not seem to be forthright in some of their advertising. As an example they said you can use a tree trunk to redirect the line itself( in Casey’s video) which in my option is stupid, not only can it damage the tree but also the rope.
@@thepubliceye the original size is no longer available
Which we think is very odd since there was nothing wrong with them
They said
As I recall Casey was the first person to come up with the 3 or 4-part line thing but using the original rings, He even got Allen to come a look at his genius idea. Allen then designed the new ring with the offset to keep the rings centered and not try to rotate. I 100% agree it's a bad idea. Anyway, that seems to be Casey's baby, I hope he addresses this video somehow.
@@thepubliceye actually Alan from yankum came up with it, but Casey was the first to show it on UA-cam.
A snatch block is always better why would you want friction? And the price on some of those rings is more than a snatch block of equal or higher rating
Dont care if its cotton nylon or kevelar. Heat is the enemy of any rope. Ive seen harbor lines stretch around timber heads and get scarring.
Did a rescue class with an 8 part line, has to be pulled by hand, the amount of losses really start to add up with all the blocks working, I think we got down to 50% loss across the system
Thanks for the information, I think I will stay with normal snatch blocks. don't really see the saving on space a selling point, I carry enough for unforeseen problems spare line etc.
Great video, it makes absolutely no sense why you would want to "slide" any kind of line vs. rolling the same line. Friction is not good for any kind of line. That company is a total rip off, plus giving bad technical directions.
Stay safe out there in the coming bad weather.
Would like to have seen the Factor 55 snatch rings compared with these but great video ! I think the humidity has alot to do with the rope damage as well as higher outside temps ! I feel you and Casey would get similar results in the same conditions ! Keep up the good work 👍👍
We will do comparisons between the two but that test has already been performed by many
Using a ring even the spinning ones perform worse then any pulley block
The difference is they don’t ruin ropes and have a slight better performance then non spinning ones
And the fact that people claimed Yankum had some kind of magic coating (which is the same coating everyone else has) that eliminates friction and it was unmeasurable was the reason for this test
We have plans to test some other products soon
Safer Xtract pulley blocks
Red winches ring (spins with a bearing)
And a few others
@@matt.mckinzieThe word is “than”.
I’m not sure why this upset so many people. Safe recovery is important. Asking questions is how things get better
@@matt.mckinzie you talked about a formula. Can you elaborate on it or post it?
I don't like them I think to much friction with them compared to a regular snatch block aka pully . Not as much friction with a pully period .
Solid video
I run 17.5K winch, 1/2" line...this ring would not sustain loads I can generate at 4:1 and they are not rated for 1/2" line🤔 However they certainly are large enough to pass it.
I have 5 or 6 standard steel snatch blocks, adequately rated for my needs.
Just now gearing up to convert the front 17.5k to synthetic and leave rear steel for now.
Your vid is both informative and controversial and should create some friction 😂 in the comments and responses.
I would like to see this done on a testing rig comparing friction rings to snatch blocks.
i use Apex snatch blocks and metal shackles not a fan of soft shackle. they talk about the damage of metal did you see the damage done with soft shackle on the wrecker games someone could have been killed. you might argue well they weren't using properly do you really think a metal shackle would have broke I DON'T
A metal shackle would not have broke
The proper size soft shackle also would not have broke
If using synthetic winch line threw a metal apex snatch block
I do recommend you to test it with a soft shackle
When tight the soft shackle squeezes the snatch block together and makes the gap between the housing and the pulley almost zero
Where a metal shackle does not and sometimes allows the rope to push the housing over and let the rope squeeze between the housing and the pulley
nice video, good objectionable information (audio blending could be tweeked)
just an average joe liking the info here, my only question to the yankum ring/ snatchblock setup is... is the yankum fairlead/ cable made of another material with a higher temperature resistance?
also in FL, seen the synthetic winch line get friction marks from pulleys too, curious if theres anything to be done about it (other than replacing)
Our house got smashed with the tree and we had to move could t find our mics during this video
We have them now
Heat is a killer of synthetic line
not much can be done to prevent it on fairleads or donuts
We are looking into testing a special roller fairlead designed for synthetic ropes
Also been in contact with a manufacturer throwing ideas back and fourth about a true bearing pulley block
We have about 8 years of cnc machine background so giving them our opinion on how to design it and which bearings to use for best performance
From a user standpoint
The problem is a bearing capable of holding a high axial load are very expensive compared to a low axial force bearing used in like idler pulleys and such
A normal sealed ball bearing used everywhere is around $18 but cannot handle 12-20,000lbs of load needed for a snatch block
That’s why most use a brass bushing instead of a bearing
A high axial load bearing that can withstand that much force is around $100 alone
Now once you add that bearing to an already $100-$150 block it’s outside the price range that most people are willing to pay
Well done
Great video! Thanks for taking the time to show the difference between the two. What do you think will happen to the yankum block if you use it in a real world recovery where you are dragging the winch rope thru water,sand, mud, etc and then around that solid metal ring?
It will get grooved just like a fairlead
We replace our fairleads a few times a year due to grooving on the sides
It wears through the coating and starts cutting into the raw aluminum
And a fairlead is the same material coating
So it’s apples to apples
But the fairlead sees a far less force because it’s a minor deflection where the ring is seeing the full force of the winch and trying to multiply it
Makes sense thanks for the reply 👍
That's a really good point. Water + sand / mud will increase friction and bring the failure point of the synthethic rope down even lower.
But.....but....but.....the other guys are more entertaiiinnniinngggg.......😳😳
I would agree
thanks
The most important friction creates heat, and dynema cannot withstand heat!
WARN Epic Multi-Purpose Snatch Blocks are much better.
Would a ring be ok to keep in a side-by-side which weighs 1,800lbs, or still recommend the blocks? Rings just seem more space saving and such.
Same conclusion I drew when I tested with two load cells with a red winches snatch ring a couple of years ago, multi line compounds the issue.
They're efficiency hogs.
Keep up the great work!
How did that spinning red winch ring work? I’d never use it but we have had questions about it
The point of the rings were no moving parts and sacrifices performance
One you put moving parts in a ring
It’s garbage in our opinion because nothing secures the rope from falling off and now it has moving parts that need maintenance just like a pulley block or snatch block
And at that point the cost and performance is better with a regular pulley block or snatch block and I’d never recommend the ring
But if you have a video I can just share it instead of purchasing one to test just to show people
Those were very good tests. May I suggest that you show on a comparison chart your findings. It would make it so much easier to understand. Maybe redo this video with the comparison chart at the end of the demo. Also get a remote mike to improve the sound quality as well. I hope you will take my suggestions to heart as they are not meant as criticisms. Watch how Project Farm does his comparisons. I look forward to seeing more of your videos.
We was going to wait till tomorrow for the test
And we need to find our wireless mic
It got misplaced when the house got destroyed
Moving into a camper
Then moving into a house
And getting ready for a hurricane in the next few days
But we already publicly announced we were doing this test so could t back out
they have a decent concept, they just need to reduce the friction somehow
I think the radius through the ring is also too tight to maintain load rating of the rope.
Is there a place on a vehicle, placard, sticker, that has its gross weight? That way you don't have to look for it in the owner's manual every time?
Driver door will give you gvrw but that max capacity
Curb weight is what it weighs empty and there is. No where on the vehicle that tells you that specific thing
You can take gvrw and deduct max payload to get the curb weight
@OffRoadRecoveryLLC okie da! Thanks. I figure my 9k with a couple snatch blocks should pull most of any trail rig that gets stuck on the trail.
1; theirs many ways to get out a stuck vehicles, whatever works is good enough 2; I'd almost rather take advise from the many people out their who has and does use this technique many many times vs one that is sponsored by a competitor and only puts a video out bashing new/innovative product made by competition, 3; i hate casey ladelle😂
My comments that detailed multiple errors in your testing were deleted. Can't handle the truth? Having worked in a NATA testing laboratory that tested equipment like this. I'd take the lab's results over yours's any day of the week. Are you saying the lab lied too?
@lightweightmudrecoveriesonly
We have not deleted any comments
No dog in this fight but I’d be interested to know how far did the rope travel. By watching and listening to your setup there should have been no movement in the rope - it didn’t travel much or any distance but you indicate the rope was damaged. How? I went back to the beginning of the video and the rope looks the same - frayed. How did the ring cause that damage?
He did another test video of these rings where he was dragging a load, that is where the friction burn came from. The ropes are fine but these rings, not so much
Ropes have a slight stretch factor
Straps on trees have a slight stretch factor
Load cells also stretch a short distance
With everything it stretching a few inches compound to maybe a foot or two of moment to reach the rating
And during that short distance still damages stuff
If you can pull a bulldozer out of the swamp with a jeep and a winch that should be bottom line end of story 😮
Not to mention you just melted a 300$ cable. I’d call them and ask for a refund and reimbursement for ruining your rope.
I want to know the back story here… it seems like you and Yankum Ropes have some personal issues that you are back biting each other in videos. If you don’t like their products, don’t use them. Simple. If they know all you are going to do is complain about their products, they should stop sending them to you. Simple.
I used to be subscribed to your channel until you started doing this and just getting more vindictive. Stick to recoveries… it’s what you are good at.
Hmm 750 videos and we make 2 about a product that’s completely garbage and the company lies to promote sales and you are going to unfollow us??
Well don’t let the door hit you on the way out
Have a great day
@@matt.mckinzie I unfollowed you prior to those two videos. I just wanted to see what another you tuber was going on about. I unfollowed them as well. I have also sent a few messages to various companies about retribution videos… you can’t make everybody happy.
I can see that the disagreement between the two parties isn't comfortable, but @offroadrecoveryFL has brought up a pretty serious defect in a product that could lead to equipment failure and possible injuries. I am certainly thankful to be better informed after the demonstration. Thank you @offroadrecoveryFL.
I just don’t understand why you can’t just put another ring on. They are literally like 20$ a piece.
You should consider raffling the rings off for cheap. Help regain your money spent and maybe get you some more views :-) I enjoyed this video went maybe to someone they're better than nothing
We may just give them away to a random customer that dosnt have any gear like we do with a lot of our cheaper gear that we have tested in the past
Something is better then. Nothing to some
I volunteer 👋🏼👋🏼😂
@@Mister_z71 🤣🤣
Why not do a 4:1 Spanish Burton using Ext rope and only 2 regular snatch blocks ?? ,,, just trying to learn ! 😊
I will stay with my pile of real snatch blocks, thanks.
I couldn't take the perfect boy wonder anymore so he's in the rear view mirror.
same here. tired of his bs.
well it's HIS way or you're wrong on every idea @@chrisnaaa3378
Which boy wonder because I have stopped following one as well.
Casey Ladelle, In my opinion the man knows every and can't never be wrong.@@jcar1417
Why does the hole in the ring look offset?
It is
Those rings are a dumb idea. Keep your snatch blocks greased.
Who gives a crap about packaging……..I can predict how this video is going to go before watching
You don’t need tools for fixing your winch ropes or cables ! If you have knowledge.
All you do is talk smack about everyone else. You think your the best. How about you do you and let them do them
Hear hear.
Audio is terrible.
@6:46 Maybe stupid question and it's for anyone willing to answer, if you live in places like Arizona on days that is can reach 115 degrees does that mean you should not be using synthetic rope?
Thanks for the informative video.
Get mic 👌🏻
We have them now
@@matt.mckinzie was gonna ask if you could blend the audio a bit better, a lot of volume up/ downs between the clips