Recovery Rope vs Strap - Matt's Off Road Recovery and MadMatt's experiences
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- Recovery Rope vs Snatch Strap. Matt from @MattsOffRoadRecovery and myself share our thoughts and experiences about both recovery ropes and snatch straps. For Matt (Matt's Off Road Recovery) the Recovery Rope is his must have off road recovery gear.
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"So we got a call.." oh wait wrong channel.
😂😂😂 well played
I had a good laugh over that. Yup, you have some cross-over viewers here. I had to look back at the title and see why the funny talking guy was hosting :-)
Oh damn I am on the wrong channel no wonder there werent any recovery lmao
LOL You guys!!!
I thought the exact same thing when I clicked on this video.
Nothing worse than road rash on your snatch.
Keep up the good Matt. love it.
LOL I've never thought of it like that. HA HA HA
Lol
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@@MadMatt4WD probably don't call it a snatch down under, probably something like a cloaca :)
That is the funniest thing I've read in quite a while lol!
I’m a simple man. I see the Yellow Banana, I click.
LOL
Yep. That’s how it’s done
How do you know when a Matt from Winder Towing is in trouble?
When you hear “Call Casey”
HA HA HA
@@MadMatt4WD ua-cam.com/video/ZllaYC83IUA/v-deo.html&ab_channel=Matt%27sOffRoadRecovery about 6:20 in for the face of shame and the phone call.
He'll holler when he needs ya
Hard to argue with Matt's results, I go with the Ropes.
true
@Brian Landers if they're in trouble one or two times a year maybe. As a resident who has to deal in snow? I'd want those Yankums.
A snatch strap should be in every car that goes off routing, a kinetic rope should be in anyone’s car that goes off Roading all the time.
Old fire hose makes a great protective sleeve to protect straps/ropes against abrasion.
Interesting idea
Where the hell am I going to get an old fire hose?!
Fire house adds significant weight to your rig.
@@Cosper79 don't need to carry a big section... Just 5ft or so
The US Navy used a braided/woven line called SAMPSON ... which was used to minimize shock loads on both the towing and the towed loads. Tugboats used it almost exclusively, but if it parted, it came back at you like a giant whip and would cut you in half. Not just a few boatswains mates died that way ... or lost an arm or leg ... or both.
They were no good for mooring as they would allow a wind to push a ship too far from a pier or buoy. Sampson had a use-by date in that sunshine killed the fibers with UV rays, as well as oil would destroy it too. Abrasion was another Sampson-killer.
I'm impressed by your tow lines (I cannot call them "rope" since that's not nautically correct) and I can see they don't live long enough to suffer from UV degradation ... oil, maybe moreso.
Started vertical wall climbing in early 60's and out first climbing rope was a static "Goldline" rope... OMG, you hated to fall on that baby! Then came the dynamic ropes and many a climbers life, ribs and back were saved by the elastic component of the dynamic rope! Good day, mate!
Thanks for the info.
Haha..I can relate..damn goldline!! That gold line came from the rappeling community. Even a more modern sheathed "Blue water " static line was better than the damn goldline. We always used static for top rope climbing. Dynamic are for lead climbs, rock, ice or mountaineering.
Love the video, glad to see two folks with two different experiences just talking about their experiences and not fighting over who is better. In the end, this betters everyone.
Yes true, Just trying to help
Hi Matt, “The Two Matt’s” what a combo, you guys certainly seemed to get on well. Really interesting , can’ t wait for the next video. Take care, be safe & well. Nick
Thanks mate
I used to use straps before I started watching Matt's channel. I ordered a rope but haven't had an occasion that I've needed it yet.
I'm leaning towards the ropes.
Two absolute legends, together! Awesome video, super helpful, thank you!
Our pleasure!
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Love the yellow xj and Matt is such a great human being
yeah he's a good guy
Everyone refers to Matt's yellow Jeep as the "Yellow Banana".
I really like Mad Matt. He seems like a really good humble dude!
And as always a big fan of Matt. If I need to pull something I always research Matt’s channel and sometimes I just watch for hours because it’s so entertaining. Keep up the great work Matt !!!
Thanks mate
MadMatt 4WD subbing ya bro and I look forward to checking out your channel. Thanks for teaching us so much my friend and always stay safe!
Had a strap fail once pulling my old pickup on the street. It broke in the mid section of a 20ft strap and while the strap did hit my truck, it hit the front (a 1992 Chevy S-10) but caused no damage. I'm not sure if it only hit the steel bumper or the plastic grill too, but I couldn't see any evidence of it. Now, failing in the middle vs. at the end effectively cuts the weight in half and greatly reduces the energy. I don't think I'd want to be standing next to it when it went, but the dangers of failure seem highly dependent on the situation. I'd be more concerned about a tow hook or recovery point coming loose and flinging a heavy chunk of steel, than a strap or a rope breaking cleanly.
Replying to a 3 year old comment.. but i totally agree. I never used either of these for this exact reason. Recovery point fails and you have a missile.. I rather struggle a little more with a non elastic tow strap or winch line.
I have Bubba Rope and love it, I pulled out buried f350 with my Tacoma no problem
Nice
Back in the 80s I was in the coast guard. We replaced the tow ropes ever year on the small boats. I used to keep the ropes and make my own kinetic tow rope for people stuck on the beach where I was stationed. I was the guy everyone called when someone was stuck on the beach when nobody could get them out.
I was at CG Station Freeport TX and did the same thing. The Chief of the station said we could take anything out of the dumpster we wanted. Because the tow rope on the 41 UTB was a couple of hundred feet, we would cut it up into 50-60’ sections and resplice eyes in it or just be lazy and tie a bowline. I had a 4x4 truck and would cruise Surfside beach and pull people out of the sand.
I use straps for static pulls, for tie down, for safeties and for going around anchor points. Straps have the advantage of spreading their lateral forces across a larger bearing surface, decreasing the amount of pressure per area. Straps also suffer less of a loss of tensile strength and less damage when bent around an object, and damage is more readily visible on a visual inspection.
Static and dynamic lines are ideal when they will only be stressed at connections or run over a proper sheave.
As an example with my tow truck doing a recovery of a vehicle over 50 feet from the roadway, I will use rated straps around a frame member or hard point on the vehicle secured with screw pin shackles to joker slings or recovery rated chains, which are then connected to a synthetic 12 strand line, which is connected to the hook on the wire rope from my winch. I use a belay device on the line to an anchor in case the winch fails or I need to take the load off the winch.
That’s awesome. You touch on something too. Your industry will be regulated but unfortunately this is recreational wheeling and carries no real regulations to my knowledge.
Go Winder Towing! Always learn something from you. Thanks.
:)
Found you through Matt's off road recovery. You have a new subscriber, sir.
Awesome, thank you!
You guys both play off each other very well on subject matter, no side lines.
Thanks Dan.
Through the 80's and 90's I only knew of yoke straps. I pulled a 1 ton ford that was gilled, all 4 wheels free with my Nissan hardbody. Booooooing and the ford sprung forward on first pull. I never saw kinetic ropes until 2 months ago, when I saw your show. I think I'll get me one to back up my strap until it breaks then I'll be a rope guy. And it will be yellow.
I’m certainly more of a rope fan these days.
Farmers towing tractor trailers 60 - 80 thousand pounds through the mud full of sugar beets here in Michigan use big rope not straps!
Sounds fair
That makes sense, a heavy slow 4 wheel drive tractor with 6 or 8 tires for traction towing. The kinetic ropes shine where a smaller vehicle with limited traction is the recovery vehicle so inertia is needed to perform the recovery.
My grandfather told me that farmers in California where he grew up, used to buy old mooring ropes from ships for that exact thing.
Have used straps with tractors a lot, no problems. I think a rope is easier to wrap up when done and would be my only plus for one over the other. Pulling over 80,
000 with a rated strap is no problem with a tractor. To be honest they both work great and use what you got, the cost would keep me from the rope mostly
I have that ARB strap and I've done 10 pulls in a day and it's years old. They die and when they die you can predict it. Keeping them clean (no mud) and dry seems to be important.
If you can't pull a vehicle and have it rolling (e.g. not suctioned into mud) then a snatch isn't going to happen, so you need to have a winch.
As Matt (Winder) showed once, washing a kinetic rope in a plastic bag will rinse away the grit that can cause fibers to abrade and fail.
some point there
@@MadMatt4WD
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Looking forward to the comparison and seeing one of those Yank yankers cut open.
I've been using a snatch rope for over 40 years. I don't leave home with out it. Made my own from a discarded 1" nylon line from a US Navy cruiser and back woven 12" on each end forming a loop. Total length is just under 20 ft. It has never failed to get out anything I wanted to extract.
nice
You should be using old fire hose as a cover for either. Keeps them cleaner, and takes most of the abrasion. Plus a bit of fire hose makes a great chafe protector.
The rope has a designed cover on it. Works really well
While my wife is at work I throw my Super Yanker and recovery straps in the washing machine (no detergent) , sun dry and they look good.
LOL and then her white work shirt becomes grey. And that's how the argument started. LOL
Ask a Coast Guard Sailor if he knows why? Brilliant use of great line. Core is second braid. Double braid rope made by Samson.
Yeah I’m a bigger fan of the rope than straps
In the late 70's I drove a Honda Civic with a really good trailer hitch installed. I also carried a 90 foot 1" diameter nylon rope. One day I came upon a Ford 4-wheel drive pickup which was stuck down at the bottom of a filled in area which crossed a creek. I finally convinced the driver to let me try to rescue him. I did so, and he thanked me profusely, but at the last he said "But please don't tell any of my buddies that you rescued me!!! He was acutely embarassed that I got him out!
Good show.
JRJ
gold
Same I got stuck with a gravel truck had gotten the hoist up and taken some off it but it was still heavy. Guy In ford half ton came by and offered to help. I politely said we'll we can try, figuring no way, it walked it out first try.
aI was intruded to kinetic recovery at Cape Cod National Seashore in 1979. They all had 3/4 Nylon rope lengths about 30 ft with chain on each end. I have the same still.
interesting
Very good video! 👍🏻 I personally switched from Recovery Straps to Recovery Ropes myself in the last year, I really do like the ropes. I live in Wyoming, about 6 hours away from Winder Towing, (I went and visited Matt and Ed in January 2020, very awesome guy Matt is! The entire crew is awesome at Winder!) But as I was saying, we have some pretty intense off-roading areas in Wyoming, and the kinetic ropes make quick work of most of the recoveries I've went out on. Great video again, I've watched yours and Matt's Off Road Recovery side of it, love them both! Much love and stay strong 💪🏻 From Wyoming! 🇺🇸
Thanks heaps
American coal miner, If you live in the Great State of Wyoming, how dang fast are you driving to get to Hurricane, Ut in just 6 hours?
@@stevewilson9792
Haha I'm right next to Evanston Wyoming, the bottom South/West corner of the state.
I just ordered my own yankum rope 7/8 30 ft!
Enjoy
I started using Snatch-"UM" straps in the late 70's. I had 2" and 4". What an improvement over to the chains we had been using.
If we still played I would probably have a Yankum rope and shackle.
I can put a climbing perspective on these ropes. Modern ropes such as this and climbing ropes are called Kernmantle rope. From German kern, meaning core, and mantel, meaning sheath.
With climbing ropes we have "static" rope and "dynamic" rope. Static being a non stretching rope and dynamic being the stretchy one, just as these recovery ropes are.
As for strength when wet, yes the ropes do lose strength, but regain it when dried. With climbing we can have "dry ropes' which have a dry treatment on the core or sheath, or both.
These recovery ropes are just bigger versions of our dynamic climbing rope, with about the same stretch limits.
thanks heaps
For sure a recovery rope, here in the UAE desert the kinetic energy helps massively when also the towing vehicle is in soft sand.... Most ropes here are made out of marine Nylon that has the kinetic abilities connected with soft shackles its the safest way to recover a vehicle stuck in the deep soft sand...
Absolutely
I normally wash my straps with a hose or even a power washer to get mud and debris out of the weave, then I lay it out to dry. I use old, or questionable straps for towing to keep the wear off my recovery straps.
Nice one.
I'm really curious what they measure in length new vs at retirement. It might be a good indicator of how much stretch/life is left in it.
Good thought
They will still the same !! If you don't do any physical damage to them , nothing else will affect them !!!
My ropes are 10 years old , they still the same !!
The rope recovery is the best recovery gear I got amongst my gear. I have a rope and recovery straps after I got my recovery rope I do not use the recovery straps to pull some one out. I do how ever use my straps to winch out of a tight spot alone my synthetic winch line.
I have bent my recovery hook on my jeep using a recovery strap before but using the rope it just stretches and gives witch is alot better because either the stuck vehicle is gonna come unstuck or the pulling vehicle is gonna get snagged back wards.
Unlike the recovery strap the recovery rope does not shake u and ur 4x4 to your core when snagging on someone to get them unstuck or pulled.
The more dangerous topic I think you should cover and not sure if you have is TOW straps vs RECOVERY straps they are totally different from each other and now they are used, oh and never use a strap that has metal hooks
So it sounds to me your strap has lost it's stretch and become a tow strap hence the violence. Yes I've covered off the difference between the 2 techniques.
@@MadMatt4WD the time I bent my recovery point , it only had 1 pull on it was brand new rated at 28000lbs, take you I'm in canada and I dont think we got the regulations on straps like you do, like that was mentioned about the 10 tug rule, but like I have said I only use my recovery straps to winch
so a 28000Lbs strap is way too strong for the average 4wd. It will not stretch and will give you a harsh and dangerous recovery. I would suggest this is why the point bent.
@@MadMatt4WD go big or go home hahaha the guy was on 37s hahah yet again this was in my first days of getting in to off roading and such I got 12 years under my belt now
Matts channel is the best! Its so nice to see you guest appearing on another channel. A man with a world of knowledge in that head of his.
What is interesting is that climbing ropes which are also kinetic energy ropes, have a rated number of falls. ie 8 or 10. When we would wonder whether the internal core is damaged we would bend it, you can see the break as the bend is almost 180 degrees, vs say 90 degrees. "U" and whether you can put the two surfaces together.
Thats interesting.
I heard a story (fable?): A tank got bogged during training. The army's extraction team struggled. A farmer stated HE could extract the tank and was allowed to prove it. His secret? 'Patience'. He allowed the force to be applied over a longer period of time so that the vehicle could 'ooze' instead of tear its way out. This analogy applies to recovery ropes versus the less elastic snatch straps.The kinetic energy from a moving vehicle can be applied either as a violent jolt or a more graduated surge. To tear a vehicle free from a viscous material like mud in less than 1 second requires far more force than allowing it to work itself free over 2 to 3 seconds.
Great point. I actually want to do this as a video one day. I guy i know had a 4wd stuck in quick sand and he applied winch power to the vehicle and waited. It took a number of hours but the vehicle came out because of the constant slow force.
Great Fable! True also, minus the tank. As a farmer, we use these types of ropes for tractor and truck recovery. We actually use sailing ropes we that are rated but we have to splice them ourselves. Same principle though!
Believe it or not I actually saw an M60A1 in mud up to the bottom of the turret. Stuck big time. It was outside Aschaffenburg Germany at our local training area I believe in 1978 or maybe 1977. I was a medic and swapped out with my relief before they got it out.
@@larry41 Yikes! Now THAT would be a recovery worth watching. The rope would have to be about as thick as the mooring lines for ocean liners.
@@gregparrott Yeah, I wish I had the presence of mind at 22 years old to realize that's a story I should have found out the ending to!
It's funny that after WINDER Matt says; "Well it's hard to find a real expert on these...." and Mad Matt says;
"Well you're it now!!!"
I laughed for a really long time after that,.....but it's gotta be the closest thing to the truth considering what he puts those things through!!!😉👍
Yep totally the guys done more than anyone I know.
Welcome to Utah! It will take you a month to get that red Utah dust out of my kit. Rope, always use a kinetic energy rope. I prefer Bubba Rope.
Lots of important info left out here. The 10 hits max thing is bogus as a general statement. You need to discuss work load limits and design factor and how those loads effect service life. Also shock loading and how it puts extra load on the hear. The design factor of gear used for nylon strap or double braid nylon will also effect percent stretch for each. You should also dive into the build of a double braid nylon, the core, the outer layer, and how to inspect this type of gear, % variance in diameter, etc.
For a snatch strap it is not bogus information. For a rope it seems multiple uses are fine assuming no damage. Yes the difference between WLL and and breaking point are different. Yes different working environments will affect the 10 hits rule but for the general punter it's good to know a snatch strap has a life and needs to be managed.
@@MadMatt4WD ALL gear has a service life that needs to be managed. It is not bogus in that ARB or any maker can certainly limit use, and the lower the use the safer the end user. I wonder where the 10 number came from though? I understand the Australian Government got involved and created a number of rules due to a number of off-road recovery deaths, down to outlining info, font size and placement, etc. on recovery tags. I wonder how much of the 10 use limit was dictated by Aus law and/or insurance? Most important to service life in BOTH KERR and KERS (rope AND strap) would be paying attention to Design Factor, care and maintenance, inspection, and (likely most important) abuse such as shock load. To say that a Double Braid Nylon rope with a design factor of 5:1 or 4:1 can be worked through hundreds of uses but a nylon web strap only 10 max is outrageous as a blanket statement. In extreme cases, some gear should be retired after ONE use (abuse); again, where does “10 use” come from? I am guessing the ARB has a much lower design factor, likely 2:1, 3:1 if we are lucky... so this ratio is likely smaller, but still off at that and could be misleading to end users that ropes are somehow magically able to withstand a much higher number of uses as long as there is no visible damage. If someone is regularly shock loading a double braid nylon rope its service life would be significantly reduced even without visible physical damage. If someone is using a recovery strap with a higher design factor, no shock load, no nicks or UV degradation, etc. it will certainly have a service life beyond 10 uses. Sure, it would be great if everyone were to err on the side of caution and replace gear more often, but most will not. It is time that off-roaders become more educated on raw material of gear and its intended use, MBS vs WLL, design factor, how shock loading effects gear, care and maintenance, and proper inspection. Armed with this knowledge there should be much more accurate and timely removal from service and less gear breakdown and trail-side injuries.
Side notes: Load bearing capacity of some double braid nylon ropes is divided equally between the out cover and inner core, where external abrasion leads to removal from service. Other versions have 100% of the load carried by the inner core, where the outer cover is there for abrasion resistance, and therefore external abrasion will not compromise the load bearing ratings of that rope. For your Factor 55 rope, that was manufactured by Holloway Houston rigging company in Texas, you should know if you are abrading only a protective cover, or load bearing strands.
Nylon has approximately 15% strength loss when wet. Strength returns when completely dry.
And finally, as a reminder to all, ALL ratings are only for NEW and UNUSED gear. Ratings will start decreasing as soon as a piece of gear is put into service.
STAY SAFE!
Thank you for the extensive and authoritative reply. From what I can tell 10 is an arbitrary number and as you indicate there are numerous variables that would affect this. I observe that many think they are performing a snatch recovery when in fact they are simple towing and in this case the strap could potentially last for many many pulls. On the other side I can in controlled environments break a strap in one or 2 pulls. Personally I hate the things and would much prefer to recover using other techniques. The uncontrolled energy release is such a dangerous element to the recovery. Why I do a lot of these videos is in an effort to get people thinking more about what they're doing in a recovery and putting the wind up them about how dangerous they can be. I believe Holloway make all the KERRs.
My first exposure to a kinetic rope was on a Coroner's inquest.A shallow water tugboat captain lost his head when the towline, (nylon), ripped the deck cleat off the dredge barge which was stuck on a sandbar. Since then I have used nylon or elastic ropes very little. I have bought one of Matts ropes and look forward to using it here in our Canadian winter. I will just leave you with the caution to everyone, make sure that what you are attaching to is secure and can not become a projectile. In the case of the barge, the cleat was welded to the deck and not strong enough for the forces applied to it. Rigging is an artform.
That’s horrid. This is why I’ve done so many videos trying to warn people about the dangers.
I have been watching Matt's Off Road Recovery channel for a few months now, and I have to say I thoroughly enjoyed this little conversation between these two experts. I gleaned a lot of valuable information that I haven't through the recovery videos (Those are also informative, but in different ways). Thank you.
Thanks. We’re only trying to help.
I used a snatch strap once to get my yukon xl out of some deep mud with my duramax and it snapped and took out my rear window.
Yeah that doesn't surprise me. One of the reasons I'm not a fan of them
Yeah now I carry a bubba rope in my vehicles. Thanks for the great video.
Great show. I've been surprised by the Aussie's resistance to using kinetic ropes. I keep a 10' kinetic rope in my truck as well as a 30' snatch strap. The 10' kinetic rope doesn't take up a lot of room, but it has a lot more stretch than the snatch strap and gets used a lot more.
I’m not sure if it’s a resistance but rather lack of exposure to them. As i say this was my first time to use one.
@@MadMatt4WD
I commented on kinetic ropes on another well known Aussie 4wd channel and was immediately blown off with "snatch strap does the same thing and doesn't take up as much space" comments. Seemed pretty resistant to me. I agree that lack of exposure is to blame. I see the same thing here when I talk about Black Series trailers. I see resistance from those who haven't been exposed to the Aussie style off road caravans and are accustomed to the garbage trailers we've been sold here for decades.
Hmm. I really don’t have much time for those who are closed to learning. I’m sorry for my fellow countrymen who were disrespectful towards you.
@@MadMatt4WD No blame on you or your country. Like I said, there's plenty of it here, probably more. Someday I'd love to go exploring around the outback of Australia. Looks like beautiful country and just my kind of population density. Keep up the great content!
Will do
I'm big on overlanding. My 5 year old son loves the Winder jeep. Awesome recovery tutorials.
That is awesome!
Oi M8, Matt’s recovery channel brought me here, and you seem like a top bloke yourself! New subscriber here. Skål!
Woot woot. Thanks mate
Awesome video lots of knowledge i just ordered my matts recovery rope can't wait to replace my old10k sling leg thats on its last leg
Cool video but I realize the rope is just simple double braided nylon. I used that in the Navy, used to know how tomsplice it as well. Very robust stuff but Id you break it watch out.
Matt after watching this video I subscribed to your channel. I'm curious to see what you guys are doing in your country. Being a fan of Matt's recovery and seeing him do the things that he does I'm excited to see what you are doing.
Thanks Kevin. I hope we live up to your expectations. When you have time go back through some of the videos.
I have been using 3” 30’ snatch strap for 20 years. I was skeptical about the ropes until I tried one out. The rope was 100$ more than a good strap but it’s worth it.
I agree
Never thought a video on a piece of recovery equipment could be so interesting :) .
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That's a large boat rope is all, super strong bet you could buy something very similar at a boat supply.
Yes they’re made in the same factory
GO JEEP.
Your finally outta the closet.
Enjoy.
Got caught with ma pants down
Always been a strap man myself. But in Alabama muck, it's whatever you got...
:)
I bought kinetic rope after watching all of Matt's Off Road Recovery videos. Someday I'll get a chance to use it.
Go wheeling with a mate and DO IT :)
There is some misinformation related to moisture durability and strength of ropes vs. straps. Products manufactured with nylon are hygoscopic - they absorb moisture. Polyester straps are have low hygroscopicity and dry more quickly. The type of nylon matters a lot; is it PA Nylon 6, 6.6 or one of the other nylon polymers? Unfortunately vendors are not very forthcoming with specifics; two exceptions are Yankum Ropes and Freedom Recovery Gear. Polymer coating of a rope minimizes abrasion and reduces moisture absorption. All tug straps that I have seen are not polymer coated which exposes them to both moisture absorption from rain, mud, etc. and well abrasion in the weave due to dirt and grime.
The ARB warning tag mentioned (which is not on my older ARB straps) regarding not using for more than 10 tugs is misleading. I don't believe it means throw it away after 10 pulls. This makes no sense. I think the correct interpretation is that the strap should not be used after 10 consecutive pulls without allowing time for the nylon to recover its elasticity. I have seen numbers from a few hours to 24 hours. (What does ARB say?) I believe a similar caveat applies to a tug rope made of nylon and polyester straps. Recovery time will depend on the number of consecutive pulls and how "heavy" the pulls were. A rope or strap used on a regular basis will definitely loose some elasticity over time.
Great video I have many friends that bought the rope I hope you’re getting a commission Matt
this Matt doesn't unless you buy one from the link in the description. :)
Yankum rope and Rhino are the 2 kinetic Brand recovery Ropes I use never used the Arb snatch strap
Just wondering why you dont have a winch or use one.. just wondering..
I have winches on both my 4wds but they're not with me on my US trip as I'm Australian based. A winch is my go to recovery device.
Winches are slower than kinetic ropes. But they have their place.
I have had a snatch strap for 15 years and it has not lost a bit of its elasticity. Its got a few frayed areas so I am looking to replace it. Evidently DO NOT buy an ARB strap...10 pulls and its done? Either that is total BS or they make junk. Not a good plug for ARB....
On another note...ARB's website says nothing about 10 pulls and its toast.
It is dependant on how hard the hits are.
That seems like a very entertaining duo. I’ve never heard of the recovery ropes till now, probably because I’m an Aussie but it’ll be good to see how they work!
love the support :)
I bought a recovery rope here in Australia about 4 months ago... after watching Matt’s off road recovery (US)... it has been used once to pull out a bogged hilux, their snatch straps had broken trying to get out, so I lent these guys my rope.. the hilux just popped straight out, no fuss... they were like WTF!?!?! great product.
Jase on All 4 Adventure uses the rope now.
@@emptyeskiadventures463 America :D
It’s a massive “mechanical advantage”, just like a huge rubber band!!!
Yes I’m not sure if kinetic energy is the same as a mechanical advantage of say a lever.
6:18 the reduction in shape might be caused from melting due to friction heat as the braids quickly pull tight. I kitesurf and build and pre-stretch my kitelines. Early on, I discovered that if I winch the 1.75mm Dyneema lines during my pre-stretch to quickly, they melt and harden in spots.
That's a very interesting thought.
I drive in northern Canada, where theres snow on the roads 8 months of the year. I get one of my vehicles stuck about once a year somewhere. What sort of gear would you recommend to keep in my truck, for the occasional moderate recovery? Snatch strap and 2 soft shackles?
That would be a great start. you may even consider 2 straps you can join because getting enough kinetic energy on ice can be a challenge so a longer run-up may be needed.
@@MadMatt4WD awesome. Thanks!
Love watching the aussies wheel
Got some great trails and great vehicles!
Been watching Matt’s recovery channel for a while
Nice
I prefer kenetic rope, and I've used both.
I'm leaning that way if I have to do a kinetic recovery.
“In Australia”
Hold my beer , Matt
LOL
I bought my 1.5 inch (100,000 lb) "tow rope" back at a farm supply store back in 1979. Still have it and has never failed, so I have never even tried a strap. Just DON'T use a chain from truck to truck!
Cool. A chain is good for a tow but's thats all.
I just got a jeep WK (not the best offroading but its my first) a few months ago and have been watching 4x4 videos a lot more recently including Matt's channel. The craziest and coolest videos I see though all come from Australia(i'm from New Mexico, USA). You guys take offroading to the next level. I'm glad you guy's did this video and I was able to find your channel too. I'm subbing now and look forward to many more great videos.
Welcome. take some time to go back through and watch some of my other videos.
Matts wasn't much of a talker back when this video got recorded
Good video I’ve been around ropes most my entire life 30 years. I have tried straps and I don’t like them. We have pulled out tractors, trucks and semis. They just work great. I have only ever broke one rope to the several straps I have broke.
I think I'm going to be happier with ropes from what I'm seeing
To keep the elasesety in the bungeee cords
wash the ROPES in hot not boiling but hot
TURTEL or ALASKA WAX CAR SHAMPOO
THE WAX WILL PRESERVE THE ELASTESETY
and give a bit of dirt easy off
That's an interesting idea. I guess it keeps the fibers slippery
Growing up, my Dad had a 100' "kinetic rope". We always called them snatch ropes. As far as them wearing out, he had that one for over 20 years that I can attest to. I never broke as far as I know. It got used A LOT! Often people would look him up just to borrow it as that was the only way to get them out when they were out in the middle of a pond or something. Good times!
Sounds awesome. Ropes seem to behave very different to the straps.
Ok, so, 10 hits and it's done,the elasticity is gone,it's now like a chain ? ...for a *professional* there is no contest there,is there mate? go with the .50 $ a pull rope, forget the strap,i would... 3 of them to start with,in case a customer overruns it on hard ground and *grinds * it down on the outside..lol it's like when you're pulling someone , and then something stops you,just too suddenly; i use some that are actually made here (in Portugal--it's in Europe,to the left of Spain lol... i lived 20 years in NY and i used to explain this to lots of folks).
It's an arbitrary number because there are many variables that can affect this number. But yes they loose their stretch over time.
When I first saw Matt's off road recovery I was very confused why a professional would be shock loading his strap haha
Yes until we understand the tool.
Kinetic rope is the only way to go..most modern method of pulling something. watched matt a lot and i own a "stretchy strap" and it still is fairly solid and gives a too big of a tug and can damage things. kinetic rope is just allround better as its gentle and gives more power as its kinetic. what matt said about ropes going bad is the same that happens with climbing gear and you just get bunch of rocks inside the weave of the rope and it eats the rope away. also you cant easily get the rocks out at all so i think a protective sleeve of some sort would be a good add onto the rope
it's been suggested a bit of old fire hose to protect it.
I've seen tanks being pulled with recovery ropes, at redstone arsenal. I'd have to give the win to the rope.
Agree
@@MadMatt4WD I'd give the win to a slow pull mega winch.
Still aint worth the 300$ he’s askin for it
Gentlemen, i ran into this posting by mistake and i am glad i did as i learned a lot about recovery gear. Stay fafe..
Our pleasure
The use of the kinetic rope dates at least back to the mid-60's which is when I first saw them in use in Southern CA. Literally everyone in the club we were in had a 30' piece of 3/4" white nylon rope with the eyelets braided in each end. The strap and rope both had their place but usually we all just used the rope. The biggest difference we saw was I've seen one of the 30' ropes we had stretch out to be close to 50' long, a strap had almost no stretch to it back then. Also, one unique feature of the nylon rope was if you had a FJ-40 and attached a Jeep CJ-5 to the other end the rope magically turned into a push-rope and was able to push the Jeep uphill... at least if you ask my uncle. Seriously though, I am actually a little surprised the modern kinetic rope doesn't stretch as much as its predecessor did. I cant count how many times we use that rope to pull out people that were un-recoverable by winch, strap or chain. The most extreme was a small motor home buried in the sand to the frame that a FJ-40 couldn't winch out but the aforementioned Jeep pulled out with the rope without breaking a sweat (nor using four-wheel drive for that matter, but don't tell the FJ driver that, he felt bad enough as it was).
Thanks for the story. A kinetic recovery is a very very powerful method of recovery which is why it's used. The biggest concern lies in people doing them safely.
Rolled over from Matt's Offroad and this is a video i had no idea i needed. i have used snatch straps for a while and had more than one fail s this is great knowledge!
glad to have helped
the Recovery Rope are 1000 times better than standards straps imo
Yep
Should have started with "so we got a call"
Ha ha ha
As an Aussie 4x4 enthusiast im very happy to see this video. Subbed to Matts channel for a long time now and subbing here.
I have never used the ropes myself, always straps and used them much more than only 10 times! Infact my current arb one would be atleast 20 pulls and still works.
Will have to look into these ropes though. Over 100 pulls and still working? That is excellent value for money.
Thanks. You can get the rope in the link in the description and use the code madmatt to get 10% off
the strap itself breaking is not what does the damage its when you rip the anchor point off and send it flying
this is true.
Yes in my op.iv had more anchor points break on me then the straps.
Ya, everybody focuses on the big ropes/straps, but they never reinforce their tow points.
Why not do this the " Real way? " ARB Vs Yankum & put both through hell?
wait to see the next videos
@@MadMatt4WD When lol?
We release a video a week so probably 2-3 weeks out for this one
Matt of off-road recovery is the MAN!
Yeah @matts off road recovery is a tops guy.
Is the 10 pull thing there just for protection of the company or do you think it really stretches the nylon to no longer recoil? That yankum rope is made out of the same material I believe. I know its put together differently but I have a hard time thinking they are that different.
I have a strap from ARB with a tag on it to check of the hits but yes in my experience after around 10 full hits they don't stretch as well. I have one that has no stretch left in it.
On my list ...
it should be :)
Of course such a great video. I do prefer a rope as you know. Keep up the good work!
Thanks mate Love your work
The keywords 'Matt's Off Road Recovery' brought me here. I look forward to the comparative testing of snatch straps versus recovery ropes. The key differentiator is the recovery rope's greater stretch. The likely mechanism for this stretch is not as much the material as it is the geometrical construction. The strands are configured into a helical/serpentine weave. As load is applied, the helix is pulled into a straighter line, as evidenced by the rope becoming thinner.
While Yankum looks great, I bought another brand because after 6 months since I notified them, they have STILL failed to correct or even acknowledge a libelous error on their web page. You can easily verify it yourself:
Compare the Maximum Breaking Strength (MBS) of Yankum's various rope diameters to those of 'Bubba' ropes (the only manufacturer with military certified strengths). Both manufacturers list the same MBS for their 7/8" and 1.5" ropes. In between these two diameters, Yankum offers a 1", while Bubba offers a 1.25".
Here's the problem: Yankum lists their 1" as having the same MBS as Bubba's 1.25".
For this to be true, Yankum's 1" rope MUST be made of a different material than all their other ropes. By comparing cross sectional areas, Yankum's 1" rope would have to use a material that is 56% stronger than all their other rope. Furthermore, that material would have to be 56% stronger to all ropes made by Bubba and every other manufacturer of recovery ropes.
Due to lack of response, I bought a 1" rope from another manufacturer. While their 7/8" and 1.5" ropes match Yankum's and Bubba's MBS, their 1" rope has a rated MBS of 33,500 lbs. This is what one would expect based on cross sectional areas.
Perhaps by posting this here, it will finally prompt them to be responsible about a real liability in their advertising.
I'll stay out of that discussion but I'll tag them. @yankum rope
@@MadMatt4WD Thanks. My email was to 'Alan'. Now that I've checked my emails, it was on 12/4/19. That's a bit over 4 months ago, not 6.
I’m picturing this rant as being spoken by Vizzini from A Princess Bride. It appears Yankum ropes has encountered one of the two classic blunders; never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line!
But seriously, maybe Yankum just tests them differently, or there are other variables at play. I’m not sure you can label it a ‘libelous error’ quite yet.
I could care less, if they are good enough for Matt they are good enough for me.
@@JimYeats It's fine that you call it a rant. But the math is real simple.....should you elect to go the next size up from what Matt uses, you'll be disappointed if you expect it to be anywhere near as strong as what's advertised.
Haha, never heard this before:
"Expert: Ex is a has-been and spurt is a drip under pressure" LOL
😂
3:48 they use nautical miles down there???
Nice!! 'Steered' on over from Matt's channel...:-)
Thanks for coming
I have know about resting a snatch strap after a heavy recovery to let it shrink back to normal length but I did not know it have a ten use life span
There ya go. Obviously it depends on how hard the hits are. A lot of people actually perform a tow recovery and think it's a snatch recovery. 2 very different things.
I carry a strap and a kinetic, both 30 feet. I use the kinetic unless I am going to get into rock rash...I let the less expensive strap take the hit if I can't protect the kinetic.
Nice work