Thanks for mentioning the shackle safety straps. I just watched a video talking about a fatality that happened in Australia last year. The hitch used for a kinetic recovery failed and was launched through the windshield of the stranded truck, killing the driver. Its no joke, recoveries can kill people.
I have had two snatch blocks in my winch kit since I first got it. I've used them to easily extract vehicles in steep terrain and it is a surprise to me to find that younger folks are just now finding out about them. Pulleys have been around for hundreds of years, so maybe y'all didn't pay attention in science class, or something.
Your Comment on Safety was Extremely well said ! I hope that others heed this advice & your statement. all too often safety seams in the back seat or not even onboard. Safety is always 1st Just to build on your point, even if a Yakum safety line is not available, a tether of any kind or means will lessen the likely hood of an anchor point and /or snatch block from becoming a flying object. I enjoy you Channel. Keep up the Great Content !!
yeah I realized pretty quick that recovery points could be the weak link with this system especially if someone has cheap crappy chinese bumpers with crap welds.
For your future videos - MBS stands for the Minimum Break Strength" which means out of the number of units (lets say 10 shackles were tested) the 45,000 pounds was the lowest number that broke the shackle and that all other shackles tested broke at higher numbers. I hope that makes sense.
Nice video. I learned a few things. I'm glad you showed safety suggestions. I'll stick with my snatch blocks. I have used them to pull out trees on my property. Have a nice day.
I got some pulleys from a rigging guy, they work the best..but i like what I am seeing its light weight an small and compact also waterproof thank you very much..😎💯✌
4:47 that would a helped last year, when one of our flatbed ties trucks slid off the freeway on his winch out call.. I'm in a wrecker. It took about 45mins to get him out. Lol
One of the best reasons to use a double or triple line pull; is to get the rope off the drum. Your winch works better the less rope is on the drum. The numbers aren't small either. I'll use the HF Apex 1200 for example but any similar sized winch will be close. To get the 12000lbs rating you can only have 1 layer of rope. You can only have 16 feet of your 80 foot rope on the drum to get max pull. With 60' on the drum it is only rated to 7885lbs. Using more rope you get added mechanical advantage from the drum and the multi line pull. If you use a single line pull at 20' away your pulling at 7885lbs; When you switch to a triple line pull you pull at over 9500lb and you get the triple word score. So, you get 4845lbs more pull just by un-spooling with the triple line; Or from 7885 to 28500lbs of pull. The numbers are rough just because I'm not including frictional losses. But you could prove it out pretty simply with a load cell. Now you have an oversized rope so it would change the numbers a little different. You'd need a load cell to know for sure. However when you were pulling that truck sideways. You were close enough that you only had around 7000-8000lb pull capacity, with the single line pull. The other thing to remember if you can anchor your multi line pull away from your vehicle. You will only see the fractional load of the system. If you can use a tree or rock as the anchor point when pulling another vehicle you are better off doing so.
All true but I think you explained it a little wrong. It’s not that the winch is rated for any less when there’s more wraps on the drum it’s more like a gear reduction situation. Having one layer on the drum is like having 513 gears and having the whole line on there is like having 355s haha. The winch is still rated the same regardless but it’s gonna have more torque with less line on there. The weight rating and the torque value are two different things
Anyway you slice it snatch blocks with rolling pulleys is the best and safest way! These may work but I would only recommend it as an in a pinch gimmick, say you just got to the top of a hill and needed that little extra tug to get over the crest ,go to get this thingy out you drop it and it takes off rolling down the hill! Well fudge my snatch block just imbedded its self dang now I've got to clean some mud out!
I have a Warn drill winch that I’ve used for self-recovery of my Cherokee KL a few times and it works great. Only 750lb max pull, so I have to use several snatch blocks to get enough pull. These rings will make my life easier using that little winch. It takes quite a bit of line to get that much multiplication, so you need an extension or two to get enough length sometimes.
@@FlawedOffroad I don’t want to haul a winch around all the time with 95+% hwy driving. Mostly, I self recover with my Hi-Lift jack, but the little Warn is there if I slide off an off camber spot where the jack won’t work (which has happened). Hi-Lift is also my backup winch. I also, use the drill winch to move logs out in the woods. I was skeptical when I first got the winch, but practiced dragging the Cherokee around with it and it did the job. When I really needed it, it got me out when I only had one tire on the road, one in the air and two off a steep bank. Just the way I roll, unconventional. The two ring setup would really simplify things for me. Wouldn’t be a bad idea to add a drill winch to your bag. It’d be good for moving the back end of your Jeep sideways, or more easily backward. 8x pull wouldn’t be hard to set up, just add a 3rd tiny block, that can handle 1500lbs, and add it to the free end of the 4x off the two offset rings. Use the extension to reave between the two rings for 4x and drill winch cable for a 2x of that 4x. It’d move slow as hell, but that’s not always a bad thing.
Who would have thought simple machines could multiply force… Anyone who’s taken a basic science course. Still really cool to see it done in a such a lightweight simple system. I may invest.
Cool video, In my opinion the safety rope should be connected to the soft shackle instead of the ring that way there is no chance of it falling out during a breakage.
I completely agree. What if the ring or anchor point break opening is large enough to slip past the safety rope. Plus the soft shackles look like larger openings. Maybe run through both if there is space.
I have 2 of those old type snatch blocks from Harbor Freight for use with steel cable. I also have 2 rings rated at 66,000 for using with my Synthetic Rope winch cable. DO NOT use rings for BOTH! Use for one OR the other!! Any cut from steel cable will destroy a Synthetic Rope. They are so much lighter too and takes up less room as well. I also have a 1" x30' snatch rope, as well as a 66' tow snatch strap to lengthen my winch line. I also have hard shackles and soft shackles as well. Most times, a double pull is all you need. I also have a High Lift jack and traction boards that can be used as base for high lift jack.
Great video. Very clear information! Thank you. We just got our 2 Yankum V2 snatch rings Monday. (off back order) So pumped to go get stuck lol! Plus I had a great time playing with the Factory 55 fast FID to get my WARN winch set up for the Yankum Groove Fairlead. Love learning new things! Mark (& Teresa) Hampstead Maryland • Purpose Built Adventure Rig • Ford Ranger - GFC Camper V2 #1919
What I didnt show was me doing the same thing. After I filmed the field test I went down to the creek bed behind the farm to attempt to get stuck (to film part of my previous video haha). Never did get stuck enough to need to winch but it was fun regardless. Thanks for checkin out the video!
The just need the silicon nips that Factor 55 has on the soft block. They have little red "hairs" that keep the rope from falling out of the block groove.
I’ve just recently started getting my 90 YJ (that I’ve owned since I was 14 yo, I’m 40 now) up to running again. This channel is just what I was looking for. Awesome content, great host, useful tips, and a mind for playing economically. Keep it up, man! 👍
At some point you need to run the winch as a fast line to an anchor then snatch block and deadline of of the anchor that is much heavier than you vehicle
nice video and nice demo, 1. YOU SHOULD NEVER be close to the setup, if something goes wrong you could be dead, please backup the winch a little bit so it won't be tight before you test it. 2. if you are polling someone else, like in your demo, you should return the cable to another truck or a tree, this way you are distributing the load on your vehicle as well. I your demo there is a huge force on the jeep frame that might cause it to bend Great gear and great demo, thanks!
Yeah I’m pretty sure I mentioned in the video it’s best to spread out the attachment points to as many different things as possible. The winch has part of the load, d ring has part of the load and the pulled vehicle has part of the load. If Doing a five part pull you can attach the end of the rope to even another section.
I wish you would have checked the temperature of the block after a heavy and long pull. I didnt expect much temp increase in the line on each side but the block is concentrating the friction on a small area of the block. After a long pull i wonder if it heats up enough that it could melt the line that touching it. Good video thanks for posting.
Awesome video. BTW, MBS is Minimum Breaking Strength, not Max. Max is not good, that would mean of all the ropes tested, the rated value is the Max. Much better is Minimum BS, of all the ropes tested, the value stated is the Minimum.
The easiest way to remove or replace a high tension spring is with, wait for it, a shoe string or 3 feet of weed eater line. Just loop it around the hook and pull! I found 3 ft works best and it has never let me down.
I watch Matt, Rory, Paul, Casey. Never seen them mention this kit! I hope the discount code still works after Christmas. New F250 plus Christmas has me tapped right now. But def want this kit for my Apex 12,000 on my 250. Thanks man! Cheers from Michistan! Subscribed.
Yes the code will still be working its not a time limited code! Thanks for checkin out the video. Casey did a video on this before I did but not sure on the others
I'll continue watching recovery videos. You kids go out there and "f-around" in the dirt, mud, rocks, sand etc. I'll be someplace comfortable watching your videos.
I covered that towards the end. I measured no more than a 15 degree difference between a section that hadn’t gone through yet to one that had. The rope can be operated up to 200f and melt point is 300f
It’s been proven you lose about 25% in friction loss with this system. A 4 to 1 rigging has a multiplier of about three and a 5 to 1 rigging has a multiplier of about 3 1/2 almost 4. still a pretty cool system, just keep in mind that your output isn’t anywhere near what you think it is.
Its still way more pulling power than not using it. Its not a linear amount of loss every time you double back, there's diminishing amount after each leg and some complicated math thats a bit above my head.
Some rings are better than others. One of those Australian dudes did a loadcell test and determined about 8% friction loss on most recovery rings. When he tested this yankum system he got about 25% overall loss when running it in a 4:1 set up.
Do you mean like winching myself to a tree, or using a tree as a secondary attachment for the end of the line while still pulling something else? I can probably do a short style video like that the next time I have the jeep out
@FlawedOffroad Yes, what you said I think is the same listed below. Still pull something heavy like the truck you used with your rig and multi part lines to a tree anchor or another vehicle anchor. Thanks
@@Person-ly6im well I did tie off my jeep on the rear as an anchor to a truck in the video but I can do one on the front. Might be awhile before I have the jeep out again
@FlawedOffroad I'm not talking about your jeep being anchored, which is fine. I guess I'm trying to say that only your winch line is attached to your jeep. Another attachment to the pull rig and another attachment to the tree ir vehicle anchor.
Yeah you can do it that way but it’s going to apply some of the force to the tree or secondary vehicle. but if it’s just to redirect the pull towards that vehicle/tree instead of toward the winch it’s fine. just know that part of the power is being diverted. Now if you are doing a self recovery you could hook to multiple things and it won’t matter because you are pulling yourself.
The full kit is a bit pricy, however you can get individual items like the rings without all the extras to bring the price down. The thing is, you can also use cheap chinese stuff and risk ending up like this guy... ua-cam.com/video/NrIR_4IPIbk/v-deo.html
If we do a compound line pull at what point are we getting to the point where the mount engineering isnt sufficient? I mean can we see 80,000 pound pulling force with 3 or 4 lines?
The thing is not all the force is on one mount it’s spread out to however many places you’re hooked. so the winch/mount itself takes some of the load, and the thing you’re pulling take some of the load and whatever you’re hooking back to take some of the load. Also just because it can generate that much pulling force doesn’t mean that it is, it only reaches those numbers if there’s enough resistance for it to reach those numbers. But I did mention somewhere in the video that you have to make sure that you’re not overcoming whatever recovery points you’re hooking to and that it is a good idea to spread the load out. The 4 and 5 part pulls are recommended only for recovery professionals. I’d like to think that the subset of people that are investing in this system would actually take the time to know how to use it properly and not just redneck it together. Lol
I actually have both. My oba is weak but it’s enough to top up tires and run locker. Then I have a clone of the maxi trac. I have videos of both systems if you dig around on my channel about 7 months back I did one, and a year or 2 back I showed the tank/oba
ARB dual compressor is king I've tried a ton of diffrent options and only thing that compare are the co2 tanks (I think I have 2 of the POWER TANK brand and there awsome) but I run the ARB dual compressors in my 2 current rigs and I have the portable version of the dual I keep in my tow rig / daily driven truck. I di run a small tank on my off road rigs ( a lj buggy on 40s & a Cherokee on 40s thays pretty much a buggy also) but it's a real small tank just to help if I wana run an air impact or what not but mostly so I dnt have to kick the arb on and off for my lockers because both rigs run arb air lockers from and rear. And I use a hose setup that connects the 2 fronts to a air chuck on my front bumper and the line ts off to each tire and the same for the rear tires at the rear bumper and the arb fills four 40" tires in a matter of minutes form around 5psi usually to 15 or so I never go much over thay because I trailer both of my rigs but occasionally I do go from 1 trail to another on road and it's extremely quick compared to all other systems I have tried and seen
i dont like winch rings. they involve a level of friction on the rope, and or shackle and or D ring. they may be lighter and smaller. But friction increases wear and tear on the pulling line, shackle or d ring. also the friction involved reduces pulling power. its been tested and shown to be true.
Caught me at a good time. Its called "Used to" by Nbhd Nick - I got it off epidemic sound so im not sure if its released anywhere else. also its the instrumental version so apparently theres a version with lyrics
Using a winch ring in this manner will wreck your winch line almost immediately. This has been proven on numerous sites. Use the winch ring with a guarded soft shackle designed for use with the ring which allows it to rotate without damage. The ring can then roll properly and not damage your winch line.
I doubt there is any other than the florida dude who has made a bunch of videos trying to discredit it. The only thing I have seen happen is the cheap chinese winch ropes can leave a residue on the ring.
I'd ay petroleum based lubricant would be a no no ... but what about Teflon?? that would reduce friction DRASTICALLY as long as teflon spray doesn't harm the rope? Heck even water oor snow would make a huge difference! and be safe to the winch rope
Not sure what piece of plastic you’re talking about, I would argue it takes a special kind of person to go to the website and put the product in the cart to find out the shipping just to come back and badmouth it on a UA-cam video. Lol
Ya until your in over 100 deg weather and you see the winch line melting and coming apart yes it does there’s a guy on the tube that actually shows it happening so yep I’ll still to snatch blocks
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Thanks for mentioning the shackle safety straps. I just watched a video talking about a fatality that happened in Australia last year. The hitch used for a kinetic recovery failed and was launched through the windshield of the stranded truck, killing the driver. Its no joke, recoveries can kill people.
I saw a safety video on that one...truly goes to show
I haven't seen that actual video , but Have heard about it .
I am betting the Recovery Vehicle took off like a Greyhound shot in the arse .
Eventually offroad guys are going to rediscover the block and tackle, and it will be a "revolutionary new idea."
Ummmmmm , this setup IS a Block and Tackle , in a more Compact form .
lol that’s so true
I have had two snatch blocks in my winch kit since I first got it. I've used them to easily extract vehicles in steep terrain and it is a surprise to me to find that younger folks are just now finding out about them. Pulleys have been around for hundreds of years, so maybe y'all didn't pay attention in science class, or something.
who said people are just finding out about them? I had the old steel version for years. this system is alot different and lighter thats all
Your Comment on Safety was Extremely well said !
I hope that others heed this advice & your statement.
all too often safety seams in the back seat or not even onboard.
Safety is always 1st
Just to build on your point, even if a Yakum safety line is not available, a tether of any kind or means will lessen the likely hood of an anchor point and /or snatch block from becoming a flying object.
I enjoy you Channel. Keep up the Great Content !!
yeah I realized pretty quick that recovery points could be the weak link with this system especially if someone has cheap crappy chinese bumpers with crap welds.
Yes we’ve seen Cassey use this in his rescues !!
For your future videos - MBS stands for the Minimum Break Strength" which means out of the number of units (lets say 10 shackles were tested) the 45,000 pounds was the lowest number that broke the shackle and that all other shackles tested broke at higher numbers. I hope that makes sense.
I thought that the whole idea of a max break strength was pretty much useless!
Nice video. I learned a few things. I'm glad you showed safety suggestions. I'll stick with my snatch blocks. I have used them to pull out trees on my property. Have a nice day.
I got some pulleys from a rigging guy, they work the best..but i like what I am seeing its light weight an small and compact also waterproof thank you very much..😎💯✌
way lighter than a bunch of steel snatch blocks for sure
Great video. Love the humor. You were right I clicked on this video to learn this and I did. Thank you.
great system
i don't have to do alot of recovery for myself but when I do this system seems like the best i've seen
thanks great job and good video
4:47 that would a helped last year, when one of our flatbed ties trucks slid off the freeway on his winch out call.. I'm in a wrecker. It took about 45mins to get him out. Lol
One of the best reasons to use a double or triple line pull; is to get the rope off the drum. Your winch works better the less rope is on the drum. The numbers aren't small either. I'll use the HF Apex 1200 for example but any similar sized winch will be close. To get the 12000lbs rating you can only have 1 layer of rope. You can only have 16 feet of your 80 foot rope on the drum to get max pull. With 60' on the drum it is only rated to 7885lbs. Using more rope you get added mechanical advantage from the drum and the multi line pull. If you use a single line pull at 20' away your pulling at 7885lbs; When you switch to a triple line pull you pull at over 9500lb and you get the triple word score. So, you get 4845lbs more pull just by un-spooling with the triple line; Or from 7885 to 28500lbs of pull. The numbers are rough just because I'm not including frictional losses. But you could prove it out pretty simply with a load cell.
Now you have an oversized rope so it would change the numbers a little different. You'd need a load cell to know for sure. However when you were pulling that truck sideways. You were close enough that you only had around 7000-8000lb pull capacity, with the single line pull.
The other thing to remember if you can anchor your multi line pull away from your vehicle. You will only see the fractional load of the system. If you can use a tree or rock as the anchor point when pulling another vehicle you are better off doing so.
All true but I think you explained it a little wrong. It’s not that the winch is rated for any less when there’s more wraps on the drum it’s more like a gear reduction situation. Having one layer on the drum is like having 513 gears and having the whole line on there is like having 355s haha. The winch is still rated the same regardless but it’s gonna have more torque with less line on there. The weight rating and the torque value are two different things
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Anyway you slice it snatch blocks with rolling pulleys is the best and safest way! These may work but I would only recommend it as an in a pinch gimmick, say you just got to the top of a hill and needed that little extra tug to get over the crest ,go to get this thingy out you drop it and it takes off rolling down the hill! Well fudge my snatch block just imbedded its self dang now I've got to clean some mud out!
I have a Warn drill winch that I’ve used for self-recovery of my Cherokee KL a few times and it works great. Only 750lb max pull, so I have to use several snatch blocks to get enough pull. These rings will make my life easier using that little winch. It takes quite a bit of line to get that much multiplication, so you need an extension or two to get enough length sometimes.
why not just get a normal winch too
@@FlawedOffroad I don’t want to haul a winch around all the time with 95+% hwy driving. Mostly, I self recover with my Hi-Lift jack, but the little Warn is there if I slide off an off camber spot where the jack won’t work (which has happened). Hi-Lift is also my backup winch. I also, use the drill winch to move logs out in the woods. I was skeptical when I first got the winch, but practiced dragging the Cherokee around with it and it did the job. When I really needed it, it got me out when I only had one tire on the road, one in the air and two off a steep bank. Just the way I roll, unconventional. The two ring setup would really simplify things for me. Wouldn’t be a bad idea to add a drill winch to your bag. It’d be good for moving the back end of your Jeep sideways, or more easily backward. 8x pull wouldn’t be hard to set up, just add a 3rd tiny block, that can handle 1500lbs, and add it to the free end of the 4x off the two offset rings. Use the extension to reave between the two rings for 4x and drill winch cable for a 2x of that 4x. It’d move slow as hell, but that’s not always a bad thing.
Speed always ain't the fracture of pulling its power for pulling and I like your setup that you're😊
Great video, and thanks for the shoutout!
Thanks bud!
Who would have thought simple machines could multiply force…
Anyone who’s taken a basic science course.
Still really cool to see it done in a such a lightweight simple system. I may invest.
You can also pull the vehicle forward by connecting a harness to the rear axle tubes and vice-versa.
Cool video, In my opinion the safety rope should be connected to the soft shackle instead of the ring that way there is no chance of it falling out during a breakage.
I completely agree. What if the ring or anchor point break opening is large enough to slip past the safety rope.
Plus the soft shackles look like larger openings.
Maybe run through both if there is space.
I have 2 of those old type snatch blocks from Harbor Freight for use with steel cable. I also have 2 rings rated at 66,000 for using with my Synthetic Rope winch cable. DO NOT use rings for BOTH! Use for one OR the other!! Any cut from steel cable will destroy a Synthetic Rope. They are so much lighter too and takes up less room as well. I also have a 1" x30' snatch rope, as well as a 66' tow snatch strap to lengthen my winch line. I also have hard shackles and soft shackles as well. Most times, a double pull is all you need. I also have a High Lift jack and traction boards that can be used as base for high lift jack.
Great video. Very clear information! Thank you.
We just got our 2 Yankum V2 snatch rings Monday. (off back order) So pumped to go get stuck lol!
Plus I had a great time playing with the Factory 55 fast FID to get my WARN winch set up for the Yankum Groove Fairlead.
Love learning new things!
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What I didnt show was me doing the same thing. After I filmed the field test I went down to the creek bed behind the farm to attempt to get stuck (to film part of my previous video haha). Never did get stuck enough to need to winch but it was fun regardless. Thanks for checkin out the video!
@@FlawedOffroad 🤣
The just need the silicon nips that Factor 55 has on the soft block. They have little red "hairs" that keep the rope from falling out of the block groove.
I’ve just recently started getting my 90 YJ (that I’ve owned since I was 14 yo, I’m 40 now) up to running again. This channel is just what I was looking for. Awesome content, great host, useful tips, and a mind for playing economically. Keep it up, man! 👍
I definitely get down with theYJ stuff, glad to have you aboard
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THANK YOU FOR DOING PROPER SCIENCTIFIC TESTING! saving money for all !
I dont know how scientific it was, felt a little more redneck to me haha. But either way, you're welcome :D
I've been wondering how those things work for awhile now. Thanks.
This use to be winching 101 but I guess it was forgotten about and found again.
WAAAY Better explanation than Everyone elses." You answer the WHY's. Excellent video my good man. Thank you.
Thanks dude
Nice demonstration, man, looks like a great set up products.
It is!
At some point you need to run the winch as a fast line to an anchor then snatch block and deadline of of the anchor that is much heavier than you vehicle
nice video and nice demo, 1. YOU SHOULD NEVER be close to the setup, if something goes wrong you could be dead, please backup the winch a little bit so it won't be tight before you test it.
2. if you are polling someone else, like in your demo, you should return the cable to another truck or a tree, this way you are distributing the load on your vehicle as well. I your demo there is a huge force on the jeep frame that might cause it to bend
Great gear and great demo, thanks!
Yeah I’m pretty sure I mentioned in the video it’s best to spread out the attachment points to as many different things as possible. The winch has part of the load, d ring has part of the load and the pulled vehicle has part of the load. If Doing a five part pull you can attach the end of the rope to even another section.
I wish you would have checked the temperature of the block after a heavy and long pull. I didnt expect much temp increase in the line on each side but the block is concentrating the friction on a small area of the block. After a long pull i wonder if it heats up enough that it could melt the line that touching it. Good video thanks for posting.
It wasn't even noticeably warmer to the touch(on a hot day). not a chance its melting
Awesome video. BTW, MBS is Minimum Breaking Strength, not Max. Max is not good, that would mean of all the ropes tested, the rated value is the Max. Much better is Minimum BS, of all the ropes tested, the value stated is the Minimum.
Yeah it was a brain fart, if you can’t tell I’m not the most well spoken person
@@FlawedOffroad Great video, trivial mistake.
Very interesting to see new products. Thank you for sharing
That’s awesome!! Thanks for sharing!
The easiest way to remove or replace a high tension spring is with, wait for it, a shoe string or 3 feet of weed eater line. Just loop it around the hook and pull! I found 3 ft works best and it has never let me down.
It’s funny like half the comments on this video are about that damn spring😂😂
Hmm.. I'm missing something.. 👍😎✊
This is an excellently detailed demo. Kudos subbed Dandahermit
I watch Matt, Rory, Paul, Casey. Never seen them mention this kit! I hope the discount code still works after Christmas. New F250 plus Christmas has me tapped right now. But def want this kit for my Apex 12,000 on my 250. Thanks man! Cheers from Michistan!
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Yes the code will still be working its not a time limited code! Thanks for checkin out the video. Casey did a video on this before I did but not sure on the others
All the Operators, Boilermakers and, Ironworkers think thats just adorable....
I'll continue watching recovery videos. You kids go out there and "f-around" in the dirt, mud, rocks, sand etc.
I'll be someplace comfortable watching your videos.
Very cool! Thanks for sharing. Is the heat generated not an issue for the rope??
I covered that towards the end. I measured no more than a 15 degree difference between a section that hadn’t gone through yet to one that had. The rope can be operated up to 200f and melt point is 300f
@@FlawedOffroad ah you’re right I see that in the addressing concerns part!
Excellent video. Great presentation. Thank you!!
Thanks!
It’s been proven you lose about 25% in friction loss with this system. A 4 to 1 rigging has a multiplier of about three and a 5 to 1 rigging has a multiplier of about 3 1/2 almost 4. still a pretty cool system, just keep in mind that your output isn’t anywhere near what you think it is.
Its still way more pulling power than not using it. Its not a linear amount of loss every time you double back, there's diminishing amount after each leg and some complicated math thats a bit above my head.
Correct you are
Awesome dude. That’s a nice set up.
definitely opens up a world of options!
That’s pretty awesome I’ll need to get some for my rig when I get it completed
2-4% friction loss is a lie. Traditional snatch blocks are around 10%. Rings are around 15%, these are 30+%.
Some rings are better than others. One of those Australian dudes did a loadcell test and determined about 8% friction loss on most recovery rings. When he tested this yankum system he got about 25% overall loss when running it in a 4:1 set up.
@@biggs8729we have tested them 2 part line 3 part line and 4 they soak up 30% friction on all set ups
That would make this 4:1 a 3:1 essentially. That's not to bad for such a small and lightweight system.
@@matthiasderoo9133 we have different opinions on small lightweight system 🤣
Those donuts of theirs are massive
A warn snatch block is smaller
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Can you do another video using a 3, 4, and a 5 part line and a tree or another vehicle as an anchor?
Do you mean like winching myself to a tree, or using a tree as a secondary attachment for the end of the line while still pulling something else? I can probably do a short style video like that the next time I have the jeep out
@FlawedOffroad Yes, what you said I think is the same listed below.
Still pull something heavy like the truck you used with your rig and multi part lines to a tree anchor or another vehicle anchor. Thanks
@@Person-ly6im well I did tie off my jeep on the rear as an anchor to a truck in the video but I can do one on the front. Might be awhile before I have the jeep out again
@FlawedOffroad
I'm not talking about your jeep being anchored, which is fine. I guess I'm trying to say that only your winch line is attached to your jeep. Another attachment to the pull rig and another attachment to the tree ir vehicle anchor.
Yeah you can do it that way but it’s going to apply some of the force to the tree or secondary vehicle. but if it’s just to redirect the pull towards that vehicle/tree instead of toward the winch it’s fine. just know that part of the power is being diverted. Now if you are doing a self recovery you could hook to multiple things and it won’t matter because you are pulling yourself.
If it weren't for safety yankum ropes wouldn't even exist, safety is just as interesting as the tool itself😊
That is really impressive power 💪
It is!
My thoughts are that even with your 10% discount, it's crazy expensive!
The full kit is a bit pricy, however you can get individual items like the rings without all the extras to bring the price down. The thing is, you can also use cheap chinese stuff and risk ending up like this guy... ua-cam.com/video/NrIR_4IPIbk/v-deo.html
If we do a compound line pull at what point are we getting to the point where the mount engineering isnt sufficient? I mean can we see 80,000 pound pulling force with 3 or 4 lines?
So it's like a triple case set up for your winch
The thing is not all the force is on one mount it’s spread out to however many places you’re hooked. so the winch/mount itself takes some of the load, and the thing you’re pulling take some of the load and whatever you’re hooking back to take some of the load. Also just because it can generate that much pulling force doesn’t mean that it is, it only reaches those numbers if there’s enough resistance for it to reach those numbers. But I did mention somewhere in the video that you have to make sure that you’re not overcoming whatever recovery points you’re hooking to and that it is a good idea to spread the load out. The 4 and 5 part pulls are recommended only for recovery professionals. I’d like to think that the subset of people that are investing in this system would actually take the time to know how to use it properly and not just redneck it together. Lol
About the steel snatch blocks; they have sharp edges at the anchor point that will cut synthetic rope.
yeah on those its best to use a solid bow shackle. I prefer the new setup with all synthetic
Very cool set up Dan. Great info! Yankum has some great products!
They sure do. But hey just because I have all this gear is no excuse for you to get yourself majorly stuck😅
4 way pull... no joke... thanks
I wood always use winch cable on my badland zxr 12000 winch never synthetic Winch rope .
awesome work on the video man.
Thanks bud!
Wow serious kits. Can't afford it though. I'm 80 on so sec n can't cruise at that speed.😅😅😅 Dandahermit
you can piece together everything seperate to fit your needs. even having one of these rings opens up new ways to rig. Thanks for watching
do you have on board air or do you use a portable air system? trying to decide if i should get a arb air system or just a portable air compressor.
I actually have both. My oba is weak but it’s enough to top up tires and run locker. Then I have a clone of the maxi trac. I have videos of both systems if you dig around on my channel about 7 months back I did one, and a year or 2 back I showed the tank/oba
CO2
ARB dual compressor is king I've tried a ton of diffrent options and only thing that compare are the co2 tanks (I think I have 2 of the POWER TANK brand and there awsome) but I run the ARB dual compressors in my 2 current rigs and I have the portable version of the dual I keep in my tow rig / daily driven truck. I di run a small tank on my off road rigs ( a lj buggy on 40s & a Cherokee on 40s thays pretty much a buggy also) but it's a real small tank just to help if I wana run an air impact or what not but mostly so I dnt have to kick the arb on and off for my lockers because both rigs run arb air lockers from and rear. And I use a hose setup that connects the 2 fronts to a air chuck on my front bumper and the line ts off to each tire and the same for the rear tires at the rear bumper and the arb fills four 40" tires in a matter of minutes form around 5psi usually to 15 or so I never go much over thay because I trailer both of my rigs but occasionally I do go from 1 trail to another on road and it's extremely quick compared to all other systems I have tried and seen
great vid, thx
i dont like winch rings. they involve a level of friction on the rope, and or shackle and or D ring. they may be lighter and smaller. But friction increases wear and tear on the pulling line, shackle or d ring. also the friction involved reduces pulling power. its been tested and shown to be true.
Great video. Thanks.
Holey shit I knew something was gonna grenade!!!😮😮😅😅😅
What’s swl for then
Nice guy & good advice, WISH there was less cusing - IMHO
Awesome video!
Thanks Aaron!
Looks cool
Great !
What song is that at the beginning?
Caught me at a good time. Its called "Used to" by Nbhd Nick - I got it off epidemic sound so im not sure if its released anywhere else. also its the instrumental version so apparently theres a version with lyrics
Using a winch ring in this manner will wreck your winch line almost immediately. This has been proven on numerous sites. Use the winch ring with a guarded soft shackle designed for use with the ring which allows it to rotate without damage. The ring can then roll properly and not damage your winch line.
Can you share a link for any sites that show this?
I doubt there is any other than the florida dude who has made a bunch of videos trying to discredit it. The only thing I have seen happen is the cheap chinese winch ropes can leave a residue on the ring.
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I'd ay petroleum based lubricant would be a no no ... but what about Teflon?? that would reduce friction DRASTICALLY as long as teflon spray doesn't harm the rope? Heck even water oor snow would make a huge difference! and be safe to the winch rope
There no need for any of that unless you believe the haters that have been commenting on here
I'm alive because I'm a safety freak. Lottsa serious hugely heavy jobs.
Yankum stuff is to expensive for me .. $1240 plus tax and shipping for this kit. gezzzzz
You don't have to get the whole kit, it comes with alot of stuff but it's not all required to get the multi part pull
@offroadrecoveryFL could teach you a few things about winching. Those sorry offset donuts will ruin your rope!
Nah that guy is full of shit
If you run a chafe guard through the ring, you can/will fail the line if its under load. Never, ever, do that.
Didnt think I did that but sometimes when filming its easy to miss little details lol
No friction? No wear on the rope? They must have coated that ring with non-nutritive cereal varnish.
You don't anchow the back
All these winch ropes are made in China. Some may have a better manufacturing standard than others is all. It's all about the mark-up to the consumer
@@johnswanson3741 yankum is made in Idaho, USA
they have been known to ruin the winch rope and the winch rope also has been known to slip off the Winch Ring. just saying.
No good for us guys in the sand and mud.
Would take a real special kind of person to spend $144.00, plus $16.00 ship, on a piece of plastic. Boggles the mind.
Not sure what piece of plastic you’re talking about, I would argue it takes a special kind of person to go to the website and put the product in the cart to find out the shipping just to come back and badmouth it on a UA-cam video. Lol
Ya until your in over 100 deg weather and you see the winch line melting and coming apart yes it does there’s a guy on the tube that actually shows it happening so yep I’ll still to snatch blocks
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Happens all the time. Nothing new here
? What happens? lol
Super complicated setup. Nty!
So a snatch block is better lmfao
Do not use this junk. Use a snatch block, there are other videos explaining why you shouldn't use these rings.
Oh by the guy that lied and used a bunch of incorrect info to sensationalize his point? yeah sure
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This the guy you are talking about? The guy that used correct equipment for measurement, maybe one day you will know what you are talking about but not today, enjoy replacing winch lines for no reason.
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Do your own research. Then you can speak facts.
@@whatnow5313 don't need to when someone else already did it the correct way.
Garbage product but your not really curious, you just want confirmation on your purchase
lol funny guy
I knew a girl that was offset.
Also use the FREEDOM WINCH LINE!!!!!!!!!!👊😎👌🪓🤠👍