Hi Hikaru, it's Greg Mustreader. I'm glad you liked my recap of the debate. Looking forward to having you as guest on my podcast some time in future! Guys in the comments - if you want to help make it happen, please like this comment for visibility!
Hikaru wonders why this Mustreader wants to play both sides, cuz he is no better than Kramnik in his logical reasoning and nitpicking when it comes to accusing someone of cheating if you look at his "IS HANS STILL CHEATING???" (all caps) video.
@@BakedTomato123 I wasn't accusing anyone of cheating, LOL. And I'm not "playing both sides", since I've clearly stated my position in the video Hikaru was reacting to - check it out.
At one point in the podcast, Kramnik dropped this weird take that the biggest issue with the chess community today is that everyone’s too close, too united, and afraid to speak their mind for fear of offending each other. Like, seriously? As if unity is some kind of problem for this sport, or as if the chess world isn’t already packed with people talking behind each other’s backs.
Kramnik: "You cheat!" Danya: "No, I don't." Kramnik: "You are a cheater." Danya: "I am not. Why are you so obsessed in calling me cheater?" Kramnik: "I'm not calling you a cheater." Danya: "What?" Kramnik: "What?"
Thanks for the react Hikaru 😂 and a couple things I’d like to clarify is: 1. I am indeed a complete clown who doesn’t know how to play chess, so Kramnik would be justified in thinking that 😅 2. I think most people know but just to clairify, this video is very much a joke which I made to send up Kramnik’s nonsense (eg. Questioning Danya’s Bc8 move recently)… I just edited in a few of the best Kramnik reactions from his various streams over the last year or so and superimposed the baord on top, just forgot to add 10 eval bars damn 😢
Your videos are epic, Epic. You just missed the "Let's do the procedure" clip. Your channel is definitely the best for recaps, congratulations on the great work!!!
Ow, and Naka thought that game was nothing special and then he mentions he was murdered in something similar. What? He is hard to understand sometimes. That game was awesome.
@@CH-wn8sq I guess Danya should not have been breaking rules and cheating for "educational purposes" if that's the case. Then there would be no need to worry about accusations being made.
Such a shame. I was considering buying Kramnik's My Life and Games to learn his play style considering he dethroned Kasparov but the way he's been clowning these past few years has really lowered my perception of him.
@@OhWaker I'd recommend you to buy Danya's book instead, it's titled "Streaming and playing some random online people." There's a great chapter about how he dethroned the great Levy Rozman.
@@OhWakertruth be told, you can still learn from him, but only about chess. He does have cool course online as well. But that’s as far as I would go with learning from Kramnik. Only in the realm of chess, nothing outside of it.
People defending Kramnik should know that before the "cheating with engine" stuff, Kramnik said to magnus "it's a miracle you won against me" He used to say bs like the universe has conspired against him to let Magnus win lmao, well nowadays it's easier to say "you used an engine to beat me"
@@michalrehacek3462 the "its a miracle" thing came from an interview with magnus and nord bank investments (not sure about the name but im sure you can find it)
@@donnelleraeburn9207 You'll get there man, what helped me is playing numerous anonymous games, not focusing on rating, but simply working on time control and becoming familiar with the middle game positions.
38:50 Oh, speaking of elitism. Nepo in one of his first podcasts was mad at Agadmator's popularity. Like he's a mere CM, sitting there with an engine and commenting on moves of GMs and criticizing. So, he stated it as one of the reasons to start the pod. If anyone is interested: The channel is Ян Непомнящий | Шахматы and the video name starts with 50000 подписчиков! from Jun 16, 2024. The rant starts at 22: 35.
Agad is cool, charismatic, easy to watch and gives good easy to understand explanations. Of course he is popular. Also he doesn't make cheating allegations without evidence
@@riverslave709 Found it. Not sure, I can add a full link, but it ends with v=Sd8pZD_54gk The channel is Ян Непомнящий | Шахматы and the video name starts with 50000 подписчиков! from Jun 16, 2024. The rant starts at 22: 35.
@@michaelcarrig627 You'd think, but Hans and Nepo disagree. It does make you wonder though. Two out of three in that trio are cheaters, and now they're banding up together in witch hunts. I'm not gonna say that Nepo has skeletons in his closet, but I think people would find it "interesting" to think about why he's suddenly banding up with the two cheaters.
Basic math why Kramnik can't pick a move and claim to expose cheaters in chess. Danny has ~200k games played. Let's say on average each game takes 50 moves and 20 moves are opening theory. This leaves 30 moves that can be questioned as a "non-human looking" move per game and 6 million moves total from all of Danny's games. I am surprised he could only find one... Obviously this CANNOT be used to expose cheaters.
Lately with my online chess, I've been experimenting with a mindset shift whenever I feel that my position is slipping away. I would ask myself "what would Stockfish recommend?" (*without* using Stockfish), and pretend I'm doing a game review where there is one move to save the game. This type of shift allows me to drastically cut down the amount of fear I have with an ugly position. Anyone who does enough game reviews will find that there are plenty of bad positions that can still be saved with precise play. There would be no way that I would have learned such moves without learning from Stockfish with each review. Additionally in blitz, there are moves that will confuse the opponent - basically following Finegold's basic rules including "always play bishop c8" and "always retreat". Quite often, they're not the best moves, but against humans, they're good. I find it absolutely incredible that someone like Kramnik doesn't know that basic rule like I do. It just goes to show how stuck in his old ways he is and hasn't been able to learn anything new since retirement.
Kramnik's "I'm being mean to Daniel because Hikaru was mean to me" is the weakest, most juvenile argument I've heard from him. My 12 year kids wouldn't say that with a straight face. What a child he is.
1:00 it’s not this guy, it’s Kramnik himself. He can’t make a claim without adding immediately “ I am not claiming you are cheating I am just asking “. There is no assertiveness in his behavior .
How could FIDE ban Kramnik for a year from FIDE rated tournaments for talking about stuff which is 100% outside FIDE's jurisdiction here?! It's online chess...
I'm glad that the 3 time former world champion is bringing interesting suspicions to the public.. He is not accusing anyone.. He is just asking questions to clarify the many suspicions he has... Chesscom should be investigating the suspects... Some might be baseless but this one definitely has a base.. If you can easily use an engine while a game is going on with all those glances then he can also use it to get to 3200 while playing a 2900 opponent and even against Kramnik since everyone views his take as ridiculous.. Maybe not against Magnus but you never know... He also made everyone aware that Danya and Bortnyk farmed 1800s otb to get to 2700 otb in blitz which is interesting because he avoids world rapid and blitz
its very crazy that kramnik just wants to get away with begging the question forever and "just asks questions", instead of commiting to any single position
There is medical treatment for Kramnik's "suspicions". Normally, you need a psychiatrist to write these prescriptions, and they take some time to work.
Fischer didnt go crazy. He was right about everything he said. Google AIPAC, they literally pay congress to support israel, so fischer wasnt wrong when he said Israel controls the US.
Opening the engine at the end of a game to analyze the opening of the game is by definition of the word cheating, not cheating. Dayna would had to have used the engine to gain an advantage for actual moves in the game. If you are on move 20+ no amount of analyzing moves 1-5 are going to give you an advantage.
Correct. It was dumb, and it's definitely a fair play violation, but fair play violations do not equal cheating. The concepts are connected, but not equivalent. All cheating is a fair play violation, but not all fair play violations are cheating.
Me: I gotta get to sleep and wake up early next morning Also me: watching Hikaru’s reaction to Dan’s recap of Naroditsky’s reaction to Kramnik’s paranoid “non-accusations” even though Russian is my first language and I have already watched the original video
I feel so bad for Danya and that he got dragged into this. He shouldn’t even have done the interview, he was trying to make points but never got a chance to do so.
After watching this drama unfold for some time, I think Kramnik might have narcissistic personality disorder. If so, his tolerance for the success of others is zero. And he would do and say anything to undermine it. Power and control regarding attention is the issue. There is no reasoning with someone like this. They are a victim and it would be impossible for anyone to legit supercede them, i.e., the “opposition” must be cheating.
@@ElReyGarcia11 The difference with Hikaru is that what you see is what you get. Hikaru is honest about who he his and doesn’t hide malicious intent behind a moral facade. I like this about Hikaru.
Yup. Even if witches are real no one will ever believe him since the proof is impossible to come by. There is 0 way to actually proof Daniel cheats or cheated. However the chances he did is probably closer to 50/50 than most people like hikaru will admit.
Funny thing is: many of the Russian chess fans in chat took your name, luckily not everybody shares Nepo's madness. I think among titled players, GM Shimanov and Anish the great himself(who is really good in Russian, like Vishy) disagreed heavily with Kramnik's conclusions.
I believe the thing about Kramnik playing on other accounts happened in Titled Tuesdays. ChessNetwork took a closer look at some of the specific tournaments, standings, deciding games, opening choices. I don't remember that ChessNetwork concludes anything, but it seemed at least plausible to me that a player or two could have been cheated out of money prizes.
« You see here Danya you used the engine against a 1100 when you had a queen and a knight up. You said you didn’t cheat but you have the engine. Let’s do the procedure » Kramnik
That game and his reaction at the end is a perfect example of what the researcher (and chess player himself) said on C2 podcast. People tend to accuse others when they have played a bad game.
Kramnik is right about one thing, that there is a lot of cheating happening online. The problem is that he has made himself a vigilante. He makes many baseless accusations WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE. And he acts as if he is the judge and jury, that must be satisfied. He is slandering many players, and damaging their reputations. He persecutes some. And then he claims that he is not accusing anyone. Vladimir, this is not the right way. This is not helping.
Kram has a cluster B disorder, and can't say what he means (something Hikaru has actually noted on his stream). He means to say to Danya "I am sinking, and need you to lieutenant for me," and he's punishing Danya/taking him hostage.
Kramnik has gone off the deep end of lunacy. Like the fact that there were no consequences when he accused a KID just because he lost is insane, nevermind the other accusations
@@billjones8950he is directly the cause of people backing the person accused of cheating. That phenomena can 100% be traced only to Kramnik’s own actions, as was predicted by everyone. This is in line with how we understand sociology as well. People who act as witch hunters to advocate for more stringent testing end up having the opposite effects. It happens in all cases which is why we knew it would happen. It’s almost like Kramnik is purposefully muddying the waters given how textbook his technique is in undermining the legitimacy of cheating claims.
@@pookz3067 well I agree he’s going about it a bad way. But the best place to cheat is a place people will always assume it’s not happening. I wouldn’t bet my life on Daniel not being a cheater. But I also wouldn’t bet on him being one either. But if I had to put money on it I’d bet kramnik is closer to the truth than most people think
Kramnik is one of those people who cannot manage their emotions well. They then use Freudian rationalizations, creating constructs in their imagination to calm those emotions. In interactions with others, these constructs are most often false accusations. The biggest mistake is to enter that world of imagination, as imagination is limitless, and a person can endlessly come up with justifications for their false accusations. Simply put, the person should be ignored, or if their accusations cause harm, sued for defamation.
Kramnik is just butthurt at this point, traumatized about everyone beating him online and being accused of cheating so now he's trying to pull the uno reverse card by accusing everyone and play the victim at the same time.
one point agains "vy" vs "ty", I am not russian, but my native language is slovak, and using vy here is also sometimes used to separate from other party. its very unusual when both parties does not use same level, its especially used by politicians in public debates, when they want to passively signal that they distance from other party, even when they use "ty" in private communication. not sure if this is the case, I assume Danya never had non-formal relationship with Kramnik, and in that case its also normal, since its unpolite from younger/less relevant party to request using ty in communication.
How do you know? Lance Armstrong appeared that way. Bernie Madoff did too. Calling Kramnik crazy for questioning things is objectively unfair. Particularly as evidence is mounting. This comment coming from a Danya fan. Absolutely true, he comes across as the straightest and most passionate guy. Well it's starting to look more and more like he is shy of "straight." Which is OK: good guy did a few bad things. What I really don't like: the insults he keeps throwing at Kramnik. Uncalled for, unfair, and I believe strong sign of guilt. Sadly
@giulianoroberti2584 he's not just asking questions he's casting aspersions on the guys reputation and using the internet like a hammer when the only tool you've got is a hammer everything looks like nails. I remember when questions were being asked about the toilet gate. bullshit right.he seems to have forgotten.
The fact that Hikaru spotted the same moves that Danya made in his game against Kramnik, let's us know that the moves were not obscure engine moves, but something GMs would or should just know.
Kramnik is the adult version of a little kid hitting another kid out of the blue, the kid hitting him back and then he goes and runs back to his mum crying that he got attacked
Battling Kramnik is like a new chess variant that all the grand masters are starting to practice. Next is 'Fischer random Kramnik debating' where he goes first and just picks something random to hate on and you have to fight in its defence! 😅
Hi Hikaru, it's Greg Mustreader. I'm glad you liked my recap of the debate. Looking forward to having you as guest on my podcast some time in future! Guys in the comments - if you want to help make it happen, please like this comment for visibility!
Would love a podcast with Hikaru. Love the way you conduct podcasts, @MustReaderChess!
Hikaru wonders why this Mustreader wants to play both sides, cuz he is no better than Kramnik in his logical reasoning and nitpicking when it comes to accusing someone of cheating if you look at his "IS HANS STILL CHEATING???" (all caps) video.
@@BakedTomato123 I wasn't accusing anyone of cheating, LOL. And I'm not "playing both sides", since I've clearly stated my position in the video Hikaru was reacting to - check it out.
Would love a podcast with Hikaru. Love the way you conduct podcasts, @MustReaderChess!
At one point in the podcast, Kramnik dropped this weird take that the biggest issue with the chess community today is that everyone’s too close, too united, and afraid to speak their mind for fear of offending each other. Like, seriously? As if unity is some kind of problem for this sport, or as if the chess world isn’t already packed with people talking behind each other’s backs.
Danya is basically trying to convince crazy people that they are crazy. You can't do it.
Well put
Are you crazy? 😅
Daniel doesnt seem like he has faced much adversity in his life, his response to all of this is kinda sad. Kramnik really messing with him
”Never Argue With Stupid People. They Will Drag You Down To Their Level and Then Beat You With Experience.”
this is indeed worse than cheating
Kramnik: "You cheat!"
Danya: "No, I don't."
Kramnik: "You are a cheater."
Danya: "I am not. Why are you so obsessed in calling me cheater?"
Kramnik: "I'm not calling you a cheater."
Danya: "What?"
Kramnik: "What?"
Haha. Excellent summary.
why are you gae?
who said I am gay?
You are gae
People like this you gotta walk away before you lose your mind
Reminds me of the meme "Why are you gay?" "Who says Im gay?" "You are gay!"
He can accuse kids of cheating and potentially ruin their careers, but GOD FORBID HIKARU, NO SWEARING.
That's crossing a line 😂😂😂
In gaming, what he's doing is called "griefing."
Agree the man is pathetic
Kids are the population that cheats the most, trust me. Being 12 years old doesn't give you approval to cheat.
I want to see hikaru tbagging kramnik in real life
@@devjyoti5614 I would pay good money for this 😂
Hikaru going straight to the POINT !!!
Kramnik is being RIDICULOUS !!!! And should be treated ACCORDINGLY !!!!!
Ridicule is often used when you can't make any contra arguments
@@regzzuse280lol you're seriously defending Kramnik?
Noo, if not RIDICULOUS, he's just losing ALL CREDIBILITY, except for he's done on the chessboard!!!
Kramnick is being libelous and should be sued.
@@regzzuse280Kramnik is just hopeless individual, if it wasn't for him being a former world champion, he would be slapped left right and centre
Thanks for the react Hikaru 😂 and a couple things I’d like to clarify is:
1. I am indeed a complete clown who doesn’t know how to play chess, so Kramnik would be justified in thinking that 😅
2. I think most people know but just to clairify, this video is very much a joke which I made to send up Kramnik’s nonsense (eg. Questioning Danya’s Bc8 move recently)… I just edited in a few of the best Kramnik reactions from his various streams over the last year or so and superimposed the baord on top, just forgot to add 10 eval bars damn 😢
Your videos are epic, Epic.
You just missed the "Let's do the procedure" clip.
Your channel is definitely the best for recaps, congratulations on the great work!!!
You are not a clown. And we do not need to be super strong players to understand what is going on here. ❤ you man. Keep going and keep speaking up!
Ow, and Naka thought that game was nothing special and then he mentions he was murdered in something similar. What? He is hard to understand sometimes. That game was awesome.
bro the bit in this video was hilarious :D
Shame that there are no consequences for Kramnik.
consequences for?
For making baseless accusations and putting people's reputations at risk you muppet
@@nicholasintrepidity5073pretending he's judge, jury and executioner
@@CH-wn8sq I guess Danya should not have been breaking rules and cheating for "educational purposes" if that's the case. Then there would be no need to worry about accusations being made.
@@CH-wn8sq
Baseless?
He uploads almost an hour long videos with many arguments and basis.
Kramnik became a clown lately.
World champion to Interesting person what a downfall 😂
Such a shame. I was considering buying Kramnik's My Life and Games to learn his play style considering he dethroned Kasparov but the way he's been clowning these past few years has really lowered my perception of him.
@@OhWaker there are various other great players that you can follow.
Kramnik is acting crap lately. Must have respect for his juniors.
@@OhWaker
I'd recommend you to buy Danya's book instead, it's titled "Streaming and playing some random online people."
There's a great chapter about how he dethroned the great Levy Rozman.
@@OhWakertruth be told, you can still learn from him, but only about chess. He does have cool course online as well. But that’s as far as I would go with learning from Kramnik. Only in the realm of chess, nothing outside of it.
It's a desperate attempt to stay relevant now that he's no longer a top chess player.
People defending Kramnik should know that before the "cheating with engine" stuff, Kramnik said to magnus "it's a miracle you won against me"
He used to say bs like the universe has conspired against him to let Magnus win lmao, well nowadays it's easier to say "you used an engine to beat me"
This got me curious, do you have sources for this pls?
Good point
@@michalrehacek3462cramdick is such a pathetic embarrassment
Yes it's true😂
@@michalrehacek3462 the "its a miracle" thing came from an interview with magnus and nord bank investments (not sure about the name but im sure you can find it)
Talk about living rent free in someone's head, huh? Kramnik can't stop thinking about Hikaru.
Kramnik isn't accusing, he's conducting a special insinuation operation.
Kgb operation
😂
kramnik is such a bully, we need to blacklist him from any events
Who is "we"?
1200 rated fanboys?
Alright buddy.
@@regzzuse280 im higher rated than that lmao
@@donnelleraeburn9207
How higher😏
@@regzzuse280 not that high, im hoping to hit 1600 by the end of this year, im grinding gotham chess video currentnly
@@donnelleraeburn9207
You'll get there man, what helped me is playing numerous anonymous games, not focusing on rating, but simply working on time control and becoming familiar with the middle game positions.
38:50 Oh, speaking of elitism. Nepo in one of his first podcasts was mad at Agadmator's popularity. Like he's a mere CM, sitting there with an engine and commenting on moves of GMs and criticizing.
So, he stated it as one of the reasons to start the pod.
If anyone is interested: The channel is Ян Непомнящий | Шахматы and the video name starts with 50000 подписчиков! from Jun 16, 2024. The rant starts at 22: 35.
Agad is cool, charismatic, easy to watch and gives good easy to understand explanations. Of course he is popular. Also he doesn't make cheating allegations without evidence
@@tolkienfan1972Yep
can u link that nepo podcast.?
Nepo also thinks he doesn't understand Gukesh's moves lmfao
@@riverslave709 Found it. Not sure, I can add a full link, but it ends with v=Sd8pZD_54gk
The channel is Ян Непомнящий | Шахматы and the video name starts with 50000 подписчиков! from Jun 16, 2024.
The rant starts at 22: 35.
When you think about it, it’s more of a hate triangle, really
Kramnik hates everyone and everyone hates Kramnik?
@@michaelcarrig627 You'd think, but Hans and Nepo disagree. It does make you wonder though. Two out of three in that trio are cheaters, and now they're banding up together in witch hunts. I'm not gonna say that Nepo has skeletons in his closet, but I think people would find it "interesting" to think about why he's suddenly banding up with the two cheaters.
Well, let’s just say I remember some beef between Danya and Hikaru also
@@neruneri technically Nepo and Dubov cheated with their prearranged knight dance draw
@@rq4740 real beef? Or just a bit sour from a loss?
Basic math why Kramnik can't pick a move and claim to expose cheaters in chess.
Danny has ~200k games played. Let's say on average each game takes 50 moves and 20 moves are opening theory. This leaves 30 moves that can be questioned as a "non-human looking" move per game and 6 million moves total from all of Danny's games. I am surprised he could only find one...
Obviously this CANNOT be used to expose cheaters.
Lately with my online chess, I've been experimenting with a mindset shift whenever I feel that my position is slipping away. I would ask myself "what would Stockfish recommend?" (*without* using Stockfish), and pretend I'm doing a game review where there is one move to save the game. This type of shift allows me to drastically cut down the amount of fear I have with an ugly position. Anyone who does enough game reviews will find that there are plenty of bad positions that can still be saved with precise play. There would be no way that I would have learned such moves without learning from Stockfish with each review.
Additionally in blitz, there are moves that will confuse the opponent - basically following Finegold's basic rules including "always play bishop c8" and "always retreat". Quite often, they're not the best moves, but against humans, they're good. I find it absolutely incredible that someone like Kramnik doesn't know that basic rule like I do. It just goes to show how stuck in his old ways he is and hasn't been able to learn anything new since retirement.
A compelling argument, and one you would assume is within the grasp of a super GM but alas, lol.
Problem is, Kramnik is very bad at math
Danya's rating taking a dive since the allegations. Hmmm
Kramnik's "I'm being mean to Daniel because Hikaru was mean to me" is the weakest, most juvenile argument I've heard from him. My 12 year kids wouldn't say that with a straight face. What a child he is.
You can report Kramnik to UA-cam for harassment and cyber bullying, I have, picked out 4 videos naming and defaming Danya.
Well, in one of the videos Danya himself said he is using engine.. That proof itself makes him immune to the bullying...
@@shrinivas105nope, context matters
World War I : a wrong turn
World War Ii : A failure in art school
World War III : Kramnik
Just imagine if Kramnik is watching Hikaru videos. This thumbnail alone is enough to make him furious 😂😅😅.
At this point I am waiting for Kramink to have a go at Magnus
Carlsen would put up the 50k in an instant 😂
He's just going against cheaters.
@@regzzuse280 people he’s accusing of cheating*
@@regzzuse280this dude is Kramnik on alt account
@@regzzuse280where is his crusade against himself?
That's a thumbnail for the ages.
Let’s be honest, all of hikaru’s thumbnails are for the ages. 😂
1:00 it’s not this guy, it’s Kramnik himself. He can’t make a claim without adding immediately “ I am not claiming you are cheating I am just asking “. There is no assertiveness in his behavior .
FIDE need to censure Kramnik from bringing the game into disrepute. Maybe a punishment like banned for a year from FIDE rated tournaments,
How could FIDE ban Kramnik for a year from FIDE rated tournaments for talking about stuff which is 100% outside FIDE's jurisdiction here?! It's online chess...
I'm glad that the 3 time former world champion is bringing interesting suspicions to the public.. He is not accusing anyone.. He is just asking questions to clarify the many suspicions he has... Chesscom should be investigating the suspects... Some might be baseless but this one definitely has a base.. If you can easily use an engine while a game is going on with all those glances then he can also use it to get to 3200 while playing a 2900 opponent and even against Kramnik since everyone views his take as ridiculous.. Maybe not against Magnus but you never know... He also made everyone aware that Danya and Bortnyk farmed 1800s otb to get to 2700 otb in blitz which is interesting because he avoids world rapid and blitz
@@obiemmanuel1514 And btw be careful of not exposing yourself to the sun, you are already melting pretty quickly.
@@obiemmanuel1514Classic confirmation bias. You made up your mind already, you're not seeing reality
@obiemmanuel1514 he's playing in new York
Hikaru spotting all of Danyas moves in 1 second in the game at the end while Kramnik is so sure of "obvious indicators" is hilarious^^
its very crazy that kramnik just wants to get away with begging the question forever and "just asks questions", instead of commiting to any single position
This classic malicious technique is called "Sealioning" (look it up - I probably can't link anything here).
It's very Russian way to do it.
Hikaru doing the procedure. Dissecting the cause of the entire saga.
There is medical treatment for Kramnik's "suspicions". Normally, you need a psychiatrist to write these prescriptions, and they take some time to work.
Thumbnail is crazy lol
Hikaru: setting video to 1.5x, because the guy is speaking slowly.
Me, setting Hikaru to 1.5x:
Who is slow now?
Ah finally Russia has his Fischer. And Im not talking about chess skills.
Kramnik better than Fisher
No crap he has so many more resources to get better than Fischer did
Fischer didnt go crazy. He was right about everything he said. Google AIPAC, they literally pay congress to support israel, so fischer wasnt wrong when he said Israel controls the US.
@@applehead2004mj how hard were you hit in the head as a kid?
Prime kramnik better than Fisher no doubt but different times but Fisher domination is at different level.
I’m increasingly more curious what kramnik thinks about the shape on the earth
KING of the KGB: Kramnik Goes Bonkers
Magnus also cheated becuase he streamed drunk with his friends😂- Kramnik
HE PLAYED ON OTHER PEOPLE'S ACCOUNTS. The penalty? Believe it or not, jail. And the procedure
Kramnik is such a shame on the chess community
Opening the engine at the end of a game to analyze the opening of the game is by definition of the word cheating, not cheating. Dayna would had to have used the engine to gain an advantage for actual moves in the game. If you are on move 20+ no amount of analyzing moves 1-5 are going to give you an advantage.
Correct. It was dumb, and it's definitely a fair play violation, but fair play violations do not equal cheating. The concepts are connected, but not equivalent. All cheating is a fair play violation, but not all fair play violations are cheating.
Epic Chess is hilarious. So glad you featured him ❤
Hikaru reacting to Epic Chess is great. He is hilarious.
Yeah, it was indeed actually quite funny
Epic Chess is unwatchable. Completely crap.
@@Etherglide then don’t watch it.
@@kdiigx I don’t.
@@Etherglide cool. Thanks for sharing.
Me: I gotta get to sleep and wake up early next morning
Also me: watching Hikaru’s reaction to Dan’s recap of Naroditsky’s reaction to Kramnik’s paranoid “non-accusations” even though Russian is my first language and I have already watched the original video
Kramnik simply doesn't accept that he is getting older and worse while others can get better
Magnus new app- takes takes takes 😂😂😂
I'm not claiming Kramnik being crazy nor paranoid but what he does is the definition of both
You see old world champions like Garry and Vishy and your respect for them increases multifold after seeing Kramnik
I feel so bad for Danya and that he got dragged into this.
He shouldn’t even have done the interview, he was trying to make points but never got a chance to do so.
Being interrupted is fine. It just makes the interrupter look like the jerky, which Kramnik is.
Seem like Kramnik living out some old trauma and projecting it out to the world completely unaware
His parents, coach and the Russian system forcing him to perform is his old trauma
to be fair to Kramnik: we have a far lesser understanding of chess than he as a world champion and especially as a cheater.
😂
Kramnik is not acting in good faith
😂 Epic cheese has such quirky humor. It's a funny channel.
The best love triangle in chess, perhaps in the world
For anybody wondering. The last video was edited. The video of Kramnik reacting to the moves were against a different player.
After watching this drama unfold for some time, I think Kramnik might have narcissistic personality disorder. If so, his tolerance for the success of others is zero. And he would do and say anything to undermine it. Power and control regarding attention is the issue. There is no reasoning with someone like this. They are a victim and it would be impossible for anyone to legit supercede them, i.e., the “opposition” must be cheating.
Just want you to know that you are no different then Kraamnik. Two sides of the same coin, both extreme, restarded takes.
I had the same thoughts although I also see aspects of it in Hikaru tbh
@@ElReyGarcia11 The difference with Hikaru is that what you see is what you get. Hikaru is honest about who he his and doesn’t hide malicious intent behind a moral facade. I like this about Hikaru.
@@searsino I conclude that your extreme take on me is the third side of this coin.
kramnik reports everyone who beats him. He is a chess god, he doesn't lose, he only gets cheated
Kramnik totally won the debate
"Witch Hunter Kramnik", is a good title for Kramnik in this era.
Yup. Even if witches are real no one will ever believe him since the proof is impossible to come by. There is 0 way to actually proof Daniel cheats or cheated. However the chances he did is probably closer to 50/50 than most people like hikaru will admit.
Witch hunter sounda cool. Vlad the Implier (stolen from another comment) or Windmill hunter (reference to Don Quixote) would be better imo
Epic Chess is a pure ray of sunshine
Funny thing is: many of the Russian chess fans in chat took your name, luckily not everybody shares Nepo's madness. I think among titled players, GM Shimanov and Anish the great himself(who is really good in Russian, like Vishy) disagreed heavily with Kramnik's conclusions.
Nepo's takes are generally quite cringe
Kramnik accuses Hikaru baselessly... Hikaru claps back... Kramnik: How dare you! Look, everyone! I'm the victim!!! 🤣🤣🤣
Magnus Carlsen ❌
Magnesium Calcium ✅
I believe the thing about Kramnik playing on other accounts happened in Titled Tuesdays. ChessNetwork took a closer look at some of the specific tournaments, standings, deciding games, opening choices. I don't remember that ChessNetwork concludes anything, but it seemed at least plausible to me that a player or two could have been cheated out of money prizes.
Alabama probably has different rules for chess. The king is allowed to mate with the all the pieces in the middle of the game.
I can tell without watching that this will be gold content.
It's ridiculous. Danya doesn't need to cheat against anyone, much less an 1100 rated guy. The argument is pointless.
« You see here Danya you used the engine against a 1100 when you had a queen and a knight up. You said you didn’t cheat but you have the engine. Let’s do the procedure »
Kramnik
Kramnik is the KAREN of chess!
That game and his reaction at the end is a perfect example of what the researcher (and chess player himself) said on C2 podcast. People tend to accuse others when they have played a bad game.
Thanks for calling out, not just Kramny, but his apologists too...
THUMBNAIL SO GOOD!
Also ye this whole thing has been going for wayyy too loing
Kramnik ruined his name. Everyone will remember him as a crazy actor who lost his sanity
Wth is that title 😭
Kramnik is not a chess player.
He is the toilet cheater!
12:06 new meme format/gif found and its a gem 😂
get a life
Take no prisoners NAKA !!
Kramnik is doing his very best to ruin his chess legacy by behaving like a complete clown.
Editor going insane with the thumbnaild 😂😂
Kramnik is right about one thing, that there is a lot of cheating happening online.
The problem is that he has made himself a vigilante. He makes many baseless accusations WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE.
And he acts as if he is the judge and jury, that must be satisfied.
He is slandering many players, and damaging their reputations. He persecutes some. And then he claims that he is not accusing anyone.
Vladimir, this is not the right way.
This is not helping.
Kram has a cluster B disorder, and can't say what he means (something Hikaru has actually noted on his stream). He means to say to Danya "I am sinking, and need you to lieutenant for me," and he's punishing Danya/taking him hostage.
dgaf Hikaru is my favorite Hikaru.
kramnik got older got bad at chess and instead of realizing he got bad with age he thinks everyone else suddenly got better
Kramnik has gone off the deep end of lunacy. Like the fact that there were no consequences when he accused a KID just because he lost is insane, nevermind the other accusations
Well when people back the person accused of cheating 100% of the time it’s always going to look that way
@@billjones8950he is directly the cause of people backing the person accused of cheating. That phenomena can 100% be traced only to Kramnik’s own actions, as was predicted by everyone. This is in line with how we understand sociology as well. People who act as witch hunters to advocate for more stringent testing end up having the opposite effects. It happens in all cases which is why we knew it would happen. It’s almost like Kramnik is purposefully muddying the waters given how textbook his technique is in undermining the legitimacy of cheating claims.
@@pookz3067 well I agree he’s going about it a bad way. But the best place to cheat is a place people will always assume it’s not happening.
I wouldn’t bet my life on Daniel not being a cheater. But I also wouldn’t bet on him being one either. But if I had to put money on it I’d bet kramnik is closer to the truth than most people think
Kramnik's list:
Hikaru done ✅
Danya done ✅
Magnus left⏳
I'm not a data scientist but at the end of the day I think Hikaru is gonna be frank here for a minute! LET HIM COOK BAYBAY!🎉
Kramnik pivots more than any politician
"He's not liked because everyone can see through what he's doing"
spot on - not that complicated
Kramnik was once all there but has since gone fully Bobby Fischer late stages. 😳😳
Hikaru genuinely hates Kramnik guts.
Kramnik is one of those people who cannot manage their emotions well. They then use Freudian rationalizations, creating constructs in their imagination to calm those emotions. In interactions with others, these constructs are most often false accusations. The biggest mistake is to enter that world of imagination, as imagination is limitless, and a person can endlessly come up with justifications for their false accusations. Simply put, the person should be ignored, or if their accusations cause harm, sued for defamation.
Narcissism is a hell of a drug
Kramnik is just butthurt at this point, traumatized about everyone beating him online and being accused of cheating so now he's trying to pull the uno reverse card by accusing everyone and play the victim at the same time.
12:06 we have a new meme lol
one point agains "vy" vs "ty", I am not russian, but my native language is slovak, and using vy here is also sometimes used to separate from other party. its very unusual when both parties does not use same level, its especially used by politicians in public debates, when they want to passively signal that they distance from other party, even when they use "ty" in private communication. not sure if this is the case, I assume Danya never had non-formal relationship with Kramnik, and in that case its also normal, since its unpolite from younger/less relevant party to request using ty in communication.
Hope that Hukaru will visit Mustreader's podcast too!
Isn't it time Kramnik's grandkids put him in an old folks home. 👩🦼🧓🏚
He’s only 49.
38:37 that my friend is an epic commentary on epic cheese 😆😆
Daniel is a straight guy he just love's playing and teaching Chess . To question his honestly is just crazy.
How do you know? Lance Armstrong appeared that way. Bernie Madoff did too. Calling Kramnik crazy for questioning things is objectively unfair. Particularly as evidence is mounting. This comment coming from a Danya fan. Absolutely true, he comes across as the straightest and most passionate guy. Well it's starting to look more and more like he is shy of "straight." Which is OK: good guy did a few bad things. What I really don't like: the insults he keeps throwing at Kramnik. Uncalled for, unfair, and I believe strong sign of guilt. Sadly
@giulianoroberti2584 he's not just asking questions he's casting aspersions on the guys reputation and using the internet like a hammer when the only tool you've got is a hammer everything looks like nails. I remember when questions were being asked about the toilet gate. bullshit right.he seems to have forgotten.
The problem is that Kramnik has retired and so FIDE can’t even censure him.
So in his logic magnus is farming all the time, playing with lower rated players. 😶 The guy literally needs therapy.
The fact that Hikaru spotted the same moves that Danya made in his game against Kramnik, let's us know that the moves were not obscure engine moves, but something GMs would or should just know.
Kramnik is the adult version of a little kid hitting another kid out of the blue, the kid hitting him back and then he goes and runs back to his mum crying that he got attacked
This seems to me like some type of Cluster B personality disorder with regards to Kramnik. Narcissistic personality disorder perhaps?
43:39 - was he good sport , no he was not a good sport..😅
Danya has more integrity than most humans. F Kramnik, he’s gone insane.
Kramnik should probably find a new hobby
Battling Kramnik is like a new chess variant that all the grand masters are starting to practice. Next is 'Fischer random Kramnik debating' where he goes first and just picks something random to hate on and you have to fight in its defence! 😅