Well the fact that your opponent is one of the longest running world champions in all formats of chess should be enough of a motivation... especially when you're 19
my first thought was "but everyone would notice because he'd be looking up" and i think that solidifies my very saddening conclusion that i am genuinely dumb as hell
Hikaru brought up a more legit conspiracy of what Magnus is actually concerned with. Magnus was suspicious that there was a mole on his team leaking his strats and lines. So the theory is that he played a really obscure line to watch Hans directly play against it proving to himself someone on his team is betraying him. He left the tournament not because he was mad about the L but because someone on his team has violated his trust. He hasn’t accused Hans of anything in public because the beef is personal and within his team.
For some reason, cheating allegations in professional chess are so much wilder than in any other game. A few years ago, Anna Rudolf was accused of hiding a supercomputer in her lip balm. Yep, you read that correctly; a supercomputer in a fucking lip balm. If nothing else, you gotta admire the creative thinking of the accusers, though I think they may have read too many James Bond novels.
This came across my feed by chance but I find it really interesting... for the record I don't play chess I really played it a couple of times and that was years ago. But I do watch a lot of sports and sometimes the underdog Who has absolutely no chance whatsoever sometimes pulls it out. cheating is a very harsh allegation in any sport. I would imagine chess is no different. However one thing that I'm noticing here is these are allegations and very creative ones. from an outside perspective there are two possibilities. either this guy pulled off one of the greatest upsets in chess history apparently from the way you guys are talking about it. or he did cheat but there's no evidence that he did other than speculation and accusation which don't hold water.
@@xinpingdonohoe3978 Sorry, I never edit any comments. No exceptions. But you could always edit yours, and then tell me your spelling mistake was all part of the plan.
It's kinda reassuring, isn't it? There's a fantastic interview with Carlsen somewhere on UA-cam which takes place in the London Eye. So basically, he is in this specially designed transparent capsule, raised high into the air to provide a panoramic view of the city - *and he doesn't look out once, not even a single glance.* All he does is talk about chess, the entire time. 🤣
He’s also misrepresenting this. The footage shown of the tighter security was added after Magnus withdrew. As far as I know there was no wanding before the match with Magnus.
He started it didn’t he? He posted the “I don’t know I can’t say” or something. I’m pretty sure he was salty he lost. The dude could’ve cheated but he did a shitty move.
@@mannyballs5751 Magnus has never called out anyone for cheating unless it was blatantly obvious, even in games he was absolutely crushed in, he is always a good loser and friendly player. Thats why this stands out. He doesn't get "salty" without reason
Magnus was made aware of, or was possibly already aware of Hans's previous cheating, so he left the tournament. I really believe that is all there is to it. The guy had like 50+ wins in a row, and didn't want to lose to a possible cheater. Let's give Hans a few more opportunities and see how he does. If he truly is good enough to beat the greatest of all time.. something something.
@@daggerdick6973 anal beads are obvious? I’m not saying the dude who went against him didn’t cheat but he had know way of knowing. Furthermore it’s a dick move to just say it and leave your fans without explanation target someone else.
To me, the actual reason Magnus withdrew is probably that he talked to someone confidentially about wanting to play that line and that person snitched so the information ended up at Hans, or something equally unspectacular.
as a former chess player that was active for only two weeks this is truly heartbreaking on a personal level, i never expected something like this out of our community
There's a big problem for Hans here. The best players can feel if they play aginst a human or a machnie. They know how the patterns of play are and they know how good the opponents are. The fact that many top GM's suspect cheating from Hans makes a great case against him even tho they havnt found anything physically yet.
But if you watch a play-by-play review by Hikaru or other GM's they actually point out how Hans's moves weren't actually the best, or even amazing. He just played very solidly, while Magnus played bad.
@@leeallen5132 hans' coach once suggested you'd only need to cheat 4 times a game to guarantee a win. Obviously we need evidence to come to a conclusion and for the time being he is innocent but just because he made some not so perfect moves doesn't mean he's innocent either.
Magnus had a lot of chances to equalize that game, but his play was off that day. Hans did nothing out of the ordinary in that specific game, but because of his past now around 50% of people think he's guilty with 0 evidence.
When Charlie first mentioned the anal beads, I thought it was just a wild analogy to explain how crazy the situation was. I was shocked when he pulled up articles of people actually accusing the dude of using anal beads 😂
The only reason I wasn't surprised was because I saw Elon Musk share on Twitter a Reddit post suggesting that the beads were responsible for Magnus being the top chess player for as long as he has been.
@@trequor Unless he was just super pumped that he won and said that he studied HIS line instead of THAT line. Which is more unlikely, that he misspoke or that he had a 5G vaccine tracking chess bot up his back passage?
First time viewer. Just wanted to say you are a very confident, eloquent, witty raconteur. Very entertaining! Thanks for this recap…now add the two move withdrawal online and we’ve got ourselves a story.
First off I'd like to thank you Penguin for keeping it with the facts, and not the emotional garbage that has shat it's way upon the net. You kept it open, you kept it real, and as a fellow chess player I truly admire that. Now onto the show. A decade or so ago, a group of buddies of mine were asked by a high (not pro) level chess player to devise ways of cheating. So we did. We came up with hearing aids with vibe function that could beep very softly but gently vibrates the ear canal. We have thought of glasses with thick sides that could house a small vibrating receiver. Fake skin along the collarbone area to conceal a small transmitter. Basically most avenues of cheating currently available with present technology. And our conclusion was simple. There only needs to be a low level "jamming field" covering the 2.4GHz and 5GHz region and that alone would eliminate about 90% of the cheating. But.....and I do stress BUT....there are other frequencies ,and even the use of light patterns emanating from a small, mid infrared laser that could potentially be picked up by a set of contact lenses specially made to "see" a particular wavelength and others would not see it. The "lights" would be simply aimed at the player and a morse code to transmit the chess notation (1 thru 8 vertical and A thru H horizontally). After that it would only need to say 1 dot for 1 vertical and 1 dot for A (2 dots total) and for say H2 to H4 would be 4 dots to indicate Vertical Line destinstion of H4 and 8 dots to indicate the Pawn at H2. So it would be saying "move pawn at H2 two steps to H4. Now I'm sure a more compact code could be devised, but this is just a VERY basic way to send cheat moves. It seems extremely difficult and elaborate, but there have been cases of transmitters being in a pant cuff and an individual in a bathroom or room that isn't visited with a computer rig sending moves.
remember in school when you had a math test and you were lucky to have memorized the same exact problem that was in the test? maybe this was one of such cases. Hans was lucky to have studied the same strategy Magnus chose to use that day
This would be like studying your history class for the math test, and then getting 100%. Because Hans was up against an opening the other guy NEVER used. Why would you study that?
@@je7055 a lot of hard questions are in a certain structure and there are pretty specific ways to solve them that aren’t obvious at first, so it’s not a completely inappropriate comparison
I love how Charlies mind works man, I mean, he goes "For those unfamiliar with CHESS" arguably the most popular and well known board game in the entire world, however, he goes on to discuss anal beads as if we are all already familiar with the product.
People know chess exists, but Id wager a fair amount of people have never even played a proper game of it. Anal Beads is pretty self explanatory ngl. Idk im tired rn man
I'm confident in assuming that far, FAR more of my coworkers have intimate knowledge of anal beads than of chess. They might _kinda_ know what the pieces look like, but that's it. Kids ain't exactly shy about their interests, man. XD
@@BeFourCM Funny but for real this is true. He can expect most of his viewers to be familiar with sex toys, as he has worked with them many times before. But he has only done chess a few times and rarely on youtube
Also, I think it's not uncommon for Magnus to start making blunders after several HOURS of chess. I don't know how many hours both players had played that day up to then, but chess tournaments are some of the most mentally taxing things for a human being. Magnus was probably burnt out, while Hans was on fire that day.
Something to note is that Hans did not play the best moves most of the time, and played a few sub-optimal moves which could have sabotaged his gameplay. So, at the very least, he was still able to execute the win with some of his own moves.
This could potentially have been him throwing in his own moves on occasion to help throw off anyone who might think he's using a bot. Purposely choosing not to follow the moves on occasion just to further hide the moves that were from an AI. Or to avoid moves that would more obviously be made by an AI. That's just a potential idea though. Would still be risky throwing in his own moves either way if he was cheating. But this is all still assuming he did cheat with this line of thought. No way to say for sure until someone comes out and says it with the authority to say so.
@@snickersnacker4502 yes, cheaters do intentionally not pick the best move but that would involve the computer relaying all the top 10 moves to him because sometimes he plays a move which is fine but not in the realm of even the top 5 computer recommended
@@puzzLEGO Lets be honest, the scariest and most powerful cheaters would be the ones that actually have the skills to back themselves up without the cheats.... Though the idea of him having to casually sit through over ten moves worth of Morse code vibrations is hilarious.
@@puzzLEGO The thing about chess cheaters in pro settings like this is that the person cheating is already insanely good at the game. Even if Hans were to cheat, it's safe to assume that he'd already be amazing at the game without cheats anyway, so he wouldn't need the bot to tell him the top 10 moves, since the move he'd do with his own skill is most likely already in the top 10.
12:00 Also, the Champions Chess Tour: Julius Baer Generation Cup had Kenneth W. Regan on yesterday, a chess player and mathematician, and he has made the engine that detects cheating. He had analyzed all of Hans' games in the tour and the one he did with Magnus, and he found nothing that indicated cheating.
It’s so funny that he referenced it’s always sunny in Philadelphia and then it’s always sunny in Philadelphia make an episode about this very situation🤣 Rob definitely watches Charlie
The most compelling theory imo is that carlsen has suspected for a while that someone on his prep team has been leaking info, so he chose an obscure line & behold, niemann just happened to have studied that kind of line for their match. When he asserts that he never cheated over the board, he could still feel truthful if the cheating was during prep off the board.
@@perspectiveotaku3438 yes, Magnus' seconds who have known him for 15 years decided to leak preparation to some random grandmaster in a classical event. People who don't actively play tournament chess don't realize that preparation is a two way street. You can't just leak some preparation, if you leaked some, you have to leak all of it, because his prep is also based on what his opponent's moves. and are kept in large databanks. And if you try to tell me that Magnus Carlsen, world champion, was outprepped by someone who looked at his prep that morning and he has been looking at it for years, I'd think you were delusional. (I.e Hans recieved a wildcard to be in this event; he knew about his participation for a week max. and if you try to squeeze 10 years of world championship level preparation into a week, good luck lol) This also means Magnus is a bigger piece of shit than ever before because if that's the case, he just let a 19 year old kid get harrassed on the internet for two weeks when a 5 word tweet could've stopped it if it was a prep leak. Also, Magnus' seconds have already come out on chess24 saying that theory isn't true at all ^_^ but it's plausible because that's' what you want to cling to. If you ignore all the facts, then anything can make sense.
Imagine being so good at Chess that when you lose everyone instantly thinks your opponent cheated. Seen vids about him, can definitely understand why they would think that.
yeah, the main problem is that, Magnus has lost before but he has never done something like that + the interview that was so sus. I think is just an accumulation of factors that crated the whole problem and not just one specific thing.
It's not that he was too good(he is) but that Hans is really bad Statistically Hans should have won 1 in every 100 games vs Magnus Which is just nuts that Hans won
@@MattM-oe6qs that's not how statistics work bro... LOL It means that's there's a 1% chance every game of Hans winning and a 99% chance of Magnus winning every game If we translate that and add on to it the fact that Hans is a known cheater, knew all the 20 initial machine movements of an Opening that Magnus had never played before and also couldn't explain his though process for his moves Then I think that maybe he cheated
I hate being that guy but I think you mean unpredictable. "Unexpecting" makes it sound like your some kind of super villain about to unleash a plague of anal beads on chess players.
Reminds me of the cycling era of motors in the bike cranksets. Fabian Cancellara had the most suspicious race. And then the unproven rumours of electro magnets in the bike stays and in the back wheel.
@@Hydro-_- lives aren’t on the line and they play a game for a living. This is the literally definition of meaningless drama. It’s like a baseball pitcher getting caught with stickum. Literally meaningless.
I also heard one possibility was that someone on Magnus’ team gave Hans inside info on what line Magnus would play and that’s why he studied that one specifically. Crazy stuff either way
that would make a lot more sense. Because his tweet implied a conspiracy that would have consequences for Magnus himself if he spoke about it. One guy cheating is not a conspiracy, and it wouldnt really get Magnus himself in trouble if he revealed it. But if his own team mate collaborated it would be an actual conspiracy and that revealing it would have consequences for himself too
This is also extremely unlikely considering Magnus could have chosen to play a number of hundred lines depending how he was feeling, that’s a 1/1000000 odds that someone would betray Magnus and end up choosing the right line which Magnus would end up playing
It doesn't really make sense tho, first "magnus' team" isn't a bunch of randos, it's close friends. And I would have to be paid very handsomely for me to betray Magnus, a multimillionaire. No one could have paid a member of his team to betray him
@@EA_SP0RTCENTER crazier things have happened. I’m not saying it as fact, it’s just a conspiracy as to why Hans decided to study that random/specific start.
@@EA_SP0RTCENTER Never underestimate the power of greed.. I mean, just watch true crime shows, people kill their spouses over small life insurance claims. Or perhaps someone who felt betrayed and wanted revenge.. the possibilities are endless.
If he did cheat, it was probably through espionage, going into the tournament ahead of time already knowing what strategy Magnus was going to try and preparing against that ahead of time. Maybe not cheating in the technical sense but probably in a bit of a weird gray area.
Ok how would a 19 year old chess player get the most respected grandmaster in histories prep when said world champion has a tight knit group of seconds that would literally commit career suicide in his name.
This trick has been around for years, Back in '72 I beat Kasparov with a Commodore Pet shoved up my ass. Man did that thing throw a lot of heat. Anyways, I feel sorry for the guy with the wand who will now have to add a goatse check to his pre-game inspection repertoire. I'd rather be a little league umpire and take all the abuse that comes with it.
12:45 Someone spends 4 hours making a device that could do that, and another person is making a open source project trying to demonstrate that it could work... but he just need someone willing to test it.
As a guy that has only played chess once years ago in school and lost This has me quaking, shaking on my bed i am absolutely quintuckeled insano indeed
A couple of points Hikaru brought up. The picture of Hans getting scanned by the wand is after the Carlsen match. They only brought it in then, so it wasn't there when he played Magnus. Secondly, they don't search your shoes at that tournament, which is important because there's something called "sockfish". He definitely had a larger opportunity to cheat than Charlie realises.
Niemann had nothing to lose against Magnus, It's pretty weird if he went to great lengths at the risk of his whole career and GM title to have a win against him. It's not even the first time someone beat MC. He either cheated and was really prepared to defend himself from allegations, or he did not cheat which makes being transparent easy for him. Overall, chess is freaking wild.
It’s not even the first time hans beat him, he beat him in a rapid (15 minutes) game a couple of weeks before. Although there is a large difference between rapid and classical.
Beating Magus puts his rating to Super Gm. It'd also make him first in a 100k tournament. I don't see any real evidence he cheated, but there's definitely reason to.
Magnus loses relatively often, it's more the fact that he withdrew from a tournament which is extremely, extremely rare in chess combined with Hans' behavior. Moreover, Magnus is the single most respected individual in the sport. It would be like Federer, Nadal and Djokovic all accusing the same person of cheating. It's not proof but you damn sure have to look into it.
The most believable and reasonable explanation I've seen is that someone close to Magnus leaked the strategy he was gonna use against Hans. So Hans obviously just prepared for it like he admitted in the interview
@@carpedm9846 well Magnus only used the line once and usually they study the more used lines because the person is more likely to do those lines so the chances os hans knowing the line that was used once is very low
Thing is, as a chess player you don't just have this secret "chess strategy I'll use tomorrow" diary or idea like chess is a perfect information game that's not really a thing. People have been talking about leaked opening preps but 1) If you wanted to leak his prep which is already weird if you had something against him or smth *you don't give it to Hans when he is playing black against magnus* 2) the more real point, you don't really have one opening in this secret folder, when you prepare for a game you look at multiple lines and sidelines on your chessbase which is basically like a large note system software for chess so if someone was to leak his prep that would be like me asking for some cheat sheet before a test and someone handing me a book. Han's interviews have been absolutely dogshit but there's no clear indication or any indication that he cheated. It's just magnus leaving the tournament which is an absolutely terrible thing to do in a round robin tournament made people think it had something to do with cheating and then chess streamers like hikaru just hopped on that bandwagon for content. Clearly magnus thinks he did cheat because he didn't come out to clear anything up for this entire time but there's simply no proof so that's just being a dick
I was at a chess competition once, and a guy literally had his phone sticking out of his pocket that had the position on the board 🤣The tournament director was called and the guy started crying lol Cheating in chess now is easier than ever, but it sucks when it comes down to competitions with prizes and etc. that it's something you potentially have to worry about. There've been times when I played people I thought were cheating, I keep my eyes on them. Anyway, great video!
Very easy to cheat actually. You can just go to the bathroom during the match and use stockfish to your benefit. Any player above 1600 ELO with decent memory can easily reconstruct a positon on their phone after leaving the board. And then getting a full evaluation from the engine. Giving them information about who stands better and key ideas in the position. It's so easy to get away with, without raising any suspicion, as long as you don't abuse this and check for every move. Best you can do is probably just to be aware and keep your eyes on suspects, as you said.
you could probably use stockfish for esports tournaments especially MOBA. I can alert the players if there is a gank or an ambush or if the enemy team is taking big objectives. idk seems wild
The most annoying thing about this whole situation is fairly prominent figures in the chess community on the Hans cheated bandwagon led me and I'm sure many other people to believe the moves he played were inconceivable and something only a chess bot would come up with. Which is simply not true. The line he played has been done before and is very much something you can study. It's really sad such popular people in chess are being so disingenuous.
@@paulplockinger431 Edit: i Stand corrected. I mixed up levy and Hikaru's analysis. Levy is pretty unbias in this situation. "Well not just Hikaru. Gothamchess had me convinced based on his review of the game and post interview that the line he played didn't exist and that all his moves went against chess theory. Later to find out that was all completely false."
@@paulplockinger431 honestly made me lose a little respect for him it’s sad and I genuinely believe it comes from a place of him thinking “if I couldn’t beat him there’s no way this guy did”. Even if Hans did cheat it’s sad to see all these guys immediately jump to conclusions, you’d expect more contemplation on issues like this from top lvl chess players but I guess not.
@@paulplockinger431 There is some evidence, its just not conclusive evidence. Evidence is just anything that supports a conclusion. Tons of evidence exists. Its just that when you want to make a conviction, you need conclusive evidence. Not all evidence is proof that something happened. You can even have evidence for stuff that isnt true without it being contradictory. But conclusive evidence is when the evidence is strong enough to actually prove the statement. But yea, evidence comes in many different levels. to say there is NO evidence is a bit naive, there just wasnt any conclusive evidence. But there definitely IS some evidence.
@@snarf1851 "well not just hikaru. Hikaru's puppet is also pushing what hikaru is preaching" I wonder why I'm not surprised. No offense to gothamchess I like a lot of his videos, but he has possible bias in this situation.
2 things: 1. the extensive security checks were implemented the following session after magnus resigned, not all along the way 2. top GMs do not think hans had anal beads or whatever, that was a reddit theory by imaginative gachi fans, all top GMs say most likely magnus' prep got leaked which implies hans paid someone off or is friends with someone in magnus' team.
When Hans wins a game, it typically just makes his day. But when Hans wins against Magnus, it makes his hole weak.
Goddammit
💀 😂
that took me a minute
LOOOL
😂
Hans didnt just beat Magnus, he rectum
this is bloody underrated
I audibly chuckled
amazing
Good one 👍
damn near killed im
Imagine being a chess GRANDMASTER, and instead of studying chess lines, you choose to study morse code for BUTTHOLE CHEATING.
Lmao that's dedication... give the man who puts the beads in the win
And also decided to learn from a secret agent how to hide any expressions provoked by a thing vibrating in that hole.
Well the fact that your opponent is one of the longest running world champions in all formats of chess should be enough of a motivation... especially when you're 19
@@pruthvirajshinde9991 Not to ruin the fun but Hans wasn’t originally going to be against him and he only found out last minute
Che̶s̶s̶eating grandmaster
Commentator: “So, why did you play Queen to d4?”
Hans: “I guess you could say I had a ‘feeling’ deep inside it was the right move.”
It was a gut feeling.
@@oenrnHe just Believed the heart of the cards. or heart of the pieces
"Chess speaks for itself "
-Hans Neiman
He felt a little tingling sensation that that was the right move.
@@jacobnair6707 Peter tingle
Clearly Hans had a mirror on the ceiling so that he could see Magnus's moves.
Underrated comment
A secret disciple of Hikaru Hans is I see
That's genius
my first thought was "but everyone would notice because he'd be looking up" and i think that solidifies my very saddening conclusion that i am genuinely dumb as hell
Some naruto chunin exam cheating strat
I knew once beads were involved, we had to see a recap on Charlie's channel
Do you really think he could have used beads
@@Allen-wo8yi not in a million years
Hey just subbed to your channel!
@@Allen-wo8yi The real crazy part is that he had the beads in, but wasn't using them to cheat.
Hello chess daddy
Hikaru brought up a more legit conspiracy of what Magnus is actually concerned with. Magnus was suspicious that there was a mole on his team leaking his strats and lines. So the theory is that he played a really obscure line to watch Hans directly play against it proving to himself someone on his team is betraying him. He left the tournament not because he was mad about the L but because someone on his team has violated his trust. He hasn’t accused Hans of anything in public because the beef is personal and within his team.
Ahh thank you this makes so much more sense
That really seems in line with Magnus, actually
That makes more sense
this is a good theory honestly
I'm guessing you discuss the strategy w your team before the match? Or how would anyone know he was gonna play the rare line?
This takes "listen to your gut" to a whole new level
Nice one, gave me a good belly laugh.
It probably did make his belly laugh too.
😂
Imagining Magnus just hearing the vibration every few turns and seeing Neiman make a face every time lol
@true gaymer yes
LMAO
😐😐😐😐😖😳☺😐😐😐😐😐
I'm crying laughing rn
What if Hans is secretly a nudist and this is all a big brain move so he can play chess butt naked?
It’s straight up embarrassing that the Chess devs haven’t patched this yet, even though the game is over a thousand years old
Fr sad they are letting the game get overtaken by cheaters and bots.
They need to nerf the white team on god
Also we really need a queen nerf
@@demoman5864 speaking of bots
shiii they didnt reply lol
Fr man, they are just really lazy.
Lol, you can literally watch Charlie's hair dry as the video progresses.
That's funny af
🤣🤣🤣🤣...spot on
😂
lmao
Imagine he didn't cheat, and he beat Magnus whilst being stimulated.
fires up all his nerouns
@@lolasdm6959LMFAO
Magnus basically stepped into a crowded elevator, ripped the stinkiest fart of all time, and then got off on the next floor.
I just did that
LMAOOOO
@I noone cares
Just like Trump after Jan 6, some just won't accept the results
@@kminek6548 ignore trolls
For some reason, cheating allegations in professional chess are so much wilder than in any other game. A few years ago, Anna Rudolf was accused of hiding a supercomputer in her lip balm. Yep, you read that correctly; a supercomputer in a fucking lip balm. If nothing else, you gotta admire the creative thinking of the accusers, though I think they may have read too many James Bond novels.
Or MacGyver episodes, whichever you prefer.
This came across my feed by chance but I find it really interesting... for the record I don't play chess I really played it a couple of times and that was years ago.
But I do watch a lot of sports and sometimes the underdog Who has absolutely no chance whatsoever sometimes pulls it out. cheating is a very harsh allegation in any sport. I would imagine chess is no different. However one thing that I'm noticing here is these are allegations and very creative ones.
from an outside perspective there are two possibilities. either this guy pulled off one of the greatest upsets in chess history apparently from the way you guys are talking about it.
or he did cheat but there's no evidence that he did other than speculation and accusation which don't hold water.
How could he fit a computer in a lip balm??? How could he fit a computer in his pocket????
@@AirNeat fitting a computer into your pocket is easy. Let me remind you you dont need a laptop, something smaller than your phone would work
You don't need a supercomputer to play chess, a computer that could beat anyone in chess could easily fit in a lip balm.
UPDATE:
In a subsequent tournament magnus carlsen and hans niemann were to face of again, and magnus simply forfeited that match immediately.
Because the perfect counter was played on an obscure opening most likely pointing to a mole in Magnus' tram
@@freakydino9872 confirmed ?
It's not cheating. Hans just has a firm grasp of his opening.
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Edit : No, I just mean... he's tight in the fundaments...
Next time you put an edit part in your comment, you might as well edit your comment.
@@xinpingdonohoe3978 Sorry, I never edit any comments. No exceptions.
But you could always edit yours, and then tell me your spelling mistake was all part of the plan.
@@michaelgove9349 you fool. That was all part of the plan.
My comment is now edited, and your comment shows that it's actually an edit.
@@xinpingdonohoe3978 mans 6 moves ahead
Best one so far.
For anyone new, Charlie is professional actor turned chess player. His talent was shown in pogchamp, he checkmated his opponent in less than 10 turn
Who's Charlie??
@@Self_Evident ah sorry not to elaborate, Charlie or Charles White Jr. is penguinz0
@@acatreassuresyouthateveryt7842 who is penguinz0
@@Xirree ah sorry not to elaborate, penguinz0 is known as MoistCr1TiKaL or just Cr1TiKaL
@@kripiece You should elaborate further, he is known to many as Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
I find it incredibly hilarious that Niemann is 19 but looks 40, and Carlsen is 31 but looks 19.
Maybe its the beads 😳
Magnis also acts like he is 19
@@EdgiB0Do 👀😏
Whatever kind of drugs you’re using I need cuz you’re baked af
1. That’s just not even true really.
2. Why is that hilarious?…
as someone who is on the spectrum, the chess community online makes me look neurotypical
It's kinda reassuring, isn't it?
There's a fantastic interview with Carlsen somewhere on UA-cam which takes place in the London Eye. So basically, he is in this specially designed transparent capsule, raised high into the air to provide a panoramic view of the city - *and he doesn't look out once, not even a single glance.* All he does is talk about chess, the entire time. 🤣
SpRectum
@@Culiaoficial “translated to straight by google” 💀
HHEJAHDHJS
@@michaelgove9349he was there for an interview so he did the interview?
"We thoroughly felt Hans up and found nothing" "Well you didn't check his colon"
He’s also misrepresenting this. The footage shown of the tighter security was added after Magnus withdrew. As far as I know there was no wanding before the match with Magnus.
What gave it away is that he came his pants about 10 minutes into the match
And then Magnus was like "I'LL HAVE WHAT HE'S HAVING!"
@@rabd3721 I wonder if a presidential candidate fluent in Morse code can win the debate... and orgasm in the process.
what
@@parknich081 Prostate stimulation makes you bust, that’s the joke
Why doesn’t this comment have more likes lol
The biggest thing is “where is Magnus in all of this?“ it’s absolutely ridiculous that everyone is fighting over absolutely no information.
He started it didn’t he? He posted the “I don’t know I can’t say” or something. I’m pretty sure he was salty he lost. The dude could’ve cheated but he did a shitty move.
@@mannyballs5751 Magnus has never called out anyone for cheating unless it was blatantly obvious, even in games he was absolutely crushed in, he is always a good loser and friendly player. Thats why this stands out. He doesn't get "salty" without reason
Magnus was made aware of, or was possibly already aware of Hans's previous cheating, so he left the tournament. I really believe that is all there is to it. The guy had like 50+ wins in a row, and didn't want to lose to a possible cheater. Let's give Hans a few more opportunities and see how he does. If he truly is good enough to beat the greatest of all time.. something something.
@@daggerdick6973 anal beads are obvious? I’m not saying the dude who went against him didn’t cheat but he had know way of knowing. Furthermore it’s a dick move to just say it and leave your fans without explanation target someone else.
@@daggerdick6973 😂
Interviewer- “Hans, how do you feel about this huge upset over Carlson today?”
Hans- “BzzzzzzzzzzzzzZz”
To me, the actual reason Magnus withdrew is probably that he talked to someone confidentially about wanting to play that line and that person snitched so the information ended up at Hans, or something equally unspectacular.
Wifi anal beads
Charlie defeated XQC, the best chess player in just 6 moves. Of course Charlie’s Opinion on this is 100% Valid
The xqc chess incident lol never forget
@@HunterSolo Legendary moment in history
Pikachu and his 10 FAT SUB
"His opinion on this" = I didn’t watch the video before commenting
That's like beating an armless man in a boxing match.
as a former chess player that was active for only two weeks this is truly heartbreaking on a personal level, i never expected something like this out of our community
ya’ll didn’t even watch the video it is extremely unlikely hans cheated
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 🤣🤣🤣
@@Danstry That's
the joke. The comment is satire. His credibility line is literally "I played chess for two weeks."
@@NiceBigHampter bro you acting like you had enough time to watch it in full either, it was uploaded like one minute before my comment
Cringe af.
There's a big problem for Hans here. The best players can feel if they play aginst a human or a machnie. They know how the patterns of play are and they know how good the opponents are. The fact that many top GM's suspect cheating from Hans makes a great case against him even tho they havnt found anything physically yet.
But if you watch a play-by-play review by Hikaru or other GM's they actually point out how Hans's moves weren't actually the best, or even amazing. He just played very solidly, while Magnus played bad.
@@leeallen5132 hans' coach once suggested you'd only need to cheat 4 times a game to guarantee a win. Obviously we need evidence to come to a conclusion and for the time being he is innocent but just because he made some not so perfect moves doesn't mean he's innocent either.
Thats the thing, they wont find anything physical
Magnus had a lot of chances to equalize that game, but his play was off that day. Hans did nothing out of the ordinary in that specific game, but because of his past now around 50% of people think he's guilty with 0 evidence.
@@frankjohnson123 are you a chess grandmaster?
The way he so nonchalantly talks about all this really enhances the experience for me
I've always considered chess a pain in the ass sometimes but not like this
funni
Who said it was painful 😉
This puts a new meaning to the phrase 'Gut Instinct'
@@Local_Laydee Amen brother 😏
Q: "Where the hell did you come up with that move?"
A: "I just pulled it out of my ass."
When Charlie first mentioned the anal beads, I thought it was just a wild analogy to explain how crazy the situation was. I was shocked when he pulled up articles of people actually accusing the dude of using anal beads 😂
It sounds like such a Charlie analogy too
The only reason I wasn't surprised was because I saw Elon Musk share on Twitter a Reddit post suggesting that the beads were responsible for Magnus being the top chess player for as long as he has been.
@@RemyWillard Hence why he left and didn't report. He's pretty guilty af lmao
ah yes, an ANALogy
reddit is stupid
Id just like to say real quick. I love your dedication to the phrase "insaneo style" joel knew it would catch on
1:24 That was definitely a string of words that I never expected to hear put together
This is the only cheating "scandal" i've ever seen without any evidence whatsoever.
Almost like the 2020 election
@@tylere.8436 this mfer just lit a fire in this comment section LMAO
@@GameSquad306 This video was basically asking for it. I figured I'd make the rabbit hole more deeper.
It's suspicious
You don't get it, he's acting really sus in interview!!!!!! That's conclusive prove that he cheated!!!
And now Sunny has actually parodied it
9:04 “and they did receive punishment for it” why did my mind jump to taking them down to the torture dungeon
Turns out he wasn't cheating, his partner was just super adamant about him wearing a Lovesense during the match and kept teasing his prostate.
LMFAOOO
Oh-k 💀
Well, I mean he won so clearly anal is a winning strat
New chess meta. Prostate simulation increases (gameplay) performance. All High level players will be adopting this technology from now on.
Where did this information come out
If this guy truly didn't have any foul play, I feel so bad for him. Such an amazing feat if he did this legitimately.
The thing is: They already caught him cheating...
So nobody with a brain will believe he now is a clean player.
Its an amazing feat if he did cheat with anal beads.
The fact that he admitted to studying that obscure line is extremely suspicious
@@jaymthesn5981 cheating as a 12 year old = cheating as a 19 year old... sure
@@trequor Unless he was just super pumped that he won and said that he studied HIS line instead of THAT line. Which is more unlikely, that he misspoke or that he had a 5G vaccine tracking chess bot up his back passage?
First time viewer. Just wanted to say you are a very confident, eloquent, witty raconteur. Very entertaining! Thanks for this recap…now add the two move withdrawal online and we’ve got ourselves a story.
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What a pain in the ass that must've been...
for both players
this is one of the few times that reality has out-weirded Charlie's analogies
We are truly living in a simulation
pun intended?
it's honestly impressive
ANALogies... heh. I wanted the first pun but someone already bead me to it ;-;
If that man was able to get a high level chess win by reading vibrations with his rectum, I say let him keep it.
facts
First off I'd like to thank you Penguin for keeping it with the facts, and not the emotional garbage that has shat it's way upon the net. You kept it open, you kept it real, and as a fellow chess player I truly admire that. Now onto the show. A decade or so ago, a group of buddies of mine were asked by a high (not pro) level chess player to devise ways of cheating. So we did.
We came up with hearing aids with vibe function that could beep very softly but gently vibrates the ear canal. We have thought of glasses with thick sides that could house a small vibrating receiver. Fake skin along the collarbone area to conceal a small transmitter. Basically most avenues of cheating currently available with present technology. And our conclusion was simple. There only needs to be a low level "jamming field" covering the 2.4GHz and 5GHz region and that alone would eliminate about 90% of the cheating. But.....and I do stress BUT....there are other frequencies ,and even the use of light patterns emanating from a small, mid infrared laser that could potentially be picked up by a set of contact lenses specially made to "see" a particular wavelength and others would not see it. The "lights" would be simply aimed at the player and a morse code to transmit the chess notation (1 thru 8 vertical and A thru H horizontally).
After that it would only need to say 1 dot for 1 vertical and 1 dot for A (2 dots total) and for say H2 to H4 would be 4 dots to indicate Vertical Line destinstion of H4 and 8 dots to indicate the Pawn at H2. So it would be saying "move pawn at H2 two steps to H4. Now I'm sure a more compact code could be devised, but this is just a VERY basic way to send cheat moves. It seems extremely difficult and elaborate, but there have been cases of transmitters being in a pant cuff and an individual in a bathroom or room that isn't visited with a computer rig sending moves.
remember in school when you had a math test and you were lucky to have memorized the same exact problem that was in the test?
maybe this was one of such cases. Hans was lucky to have studied the same strategy Magnus chose to use that day
what? no
you studied for math tests by memorizing entire problems as if they were chess lines?
@@je7055 chess is easy bro all u have to do is memorize the moves and counter!!
lmao
This would be like studying your history class for the math test, and then getting 100%.
Because Hans was up against an opening the other guy NEVER used. Why would you study that?
@@bruced09 but he has used it.
@@je7055 a lot of hard questions are in a certain structure and there are pretty specific ways to solve them that aren’t obvious at first, so it’s not a completely inappropriate comparison
Imagine all the Grandmasters having to admit to a full cavity search before playing.
I would every time 😏
Wtf I’m becoming a GM now
@@busta-_-busta9165 Fruiity
I love how Charlies mind works man, I mean, he goes "For those unfamiliar with CHESS" arguably the most popular and well known board game in the entire world, however, he goes on to discuss anal beads as if we are all already familiar with the product.
People know chess exists, but Id wager a fair amount of people have never even played a proper game of it. Anal Beads is pretty self explanatory ngl. Idk im tired rn man
I'm confident in assuming that far, FAR more of my coworkers have intimate knowledge of anal beads than of chess. They might _kinda_ know what the pieces look like, but that's it.
Kids ain't exactly shy about their interests, man. XD
I've never played chess in my life so
@@ShaftersUploads Exactly the term "Chess" provides zero context to what it even is to anyone unfamiliar with the term, "anal beads" leaves no doubt.
@@BeFourCM Funny but for real this is true. He can expect most of his viewers to be familiar with sex toys, as he has worked with them many times before. But he has only done chess a few times and rarely on youtube
Also, I think it's not uncommon for Magnus to start making blunders after several HOURS of chess. I don't know how many hours both players had played that day up to then, but chess tournaments are some of the most mentally taxing things for a human being. Magnus was probably burnt out, while Hans was on fire that day.
@@LowChow subhuman
@@LowChow I do!
@@LowChow the whole chess community does
@@LowChow bro, this is a video about chess
@@LowChow kid can't accept that Magnus lost
jack harlow really fell off damn
If Joel Haver hadn't invented the term "insano style" a few months ago, humans would have no language to describe this event. Thank you Joel
This comment goes insano style.
I caught it in the video and thought man the way he just used insaneo style was pretty insaneo style
Crazy
Thank you Joel
Insaneo style goes insaneo style
Something to note is that Hans did not play the best moves most of the time, and played a few sub-optimal moves which could have sabotaged his gameplay. So, at the very least, he was still able to execute the win with some of his own moves.
This could potentially have been him throwing in his own moves on occasion to help throw off anyone who might think he's using a bot. Purposely choosing not to follow the moves on occasion just to further hide the moves that were from an AI. Or to avoid moves that would more obviously be made by an AI.
That's just a potential idea though. Would still be risky throwing in his own moves either way if he was cheating. But this is all still assuming he did cheat with this line of thought. No way to say for sure until someone comes out and says it with the authority to say so.
@@snickersnacker4502 yes, cheaters do intentionally not pick the best move but that would involve the computer relaying all the top 10 moves to him because sometimes he plays a move which is fine but not in the realm of even the top 5 computer recommended
Didnt feel the vibration the right way I guess
@@puzzLEGO Lets be honest, the scariest and most powerful cheaters would be the ones that actually have the skills to back themselves up without the cheats....
Though the idea of him having to casually sit through over ten moves worth of Morse code vibrations is hilarious.
@@puzzLEGO The thing about chess cheaters in pro settings like this is that the person cheating is already insanely good at the game. Even if Hans were to cheat, it's safe to assume that he'd already be amazing at the game without cheats anyway, so he wouldn't need the bot to tell him the top 10 moves, since the move he'd do with his own skill is most likely already in the top 10.
12:00 Also, the Champions Chess Tour: Julius Baer Generation Cup had Kenneth W. Regan on yesterday, a chess player and mathematician, and he has made the engine that detects cheating. He had analyzed all of Hans' games in the tour and the one he did with Magnus, and he found nothing that indicated cheating.
It’s so funny that he referenced it’s always sunny in Philadelphia and then it’s always sunny in Philadelphia make an episode about this very situation🤣 Rob definitely watches Charlie
As a chess player on cool math games for approximatley 30 minutes, im so sad that this happened
The most compelling theory imo is that carlsen has suspected for a while that someone on his prep team has been leaking info, so he chose an obscure line & behold, niemann just happened to have studied that kind of line for their match. When he asserts that he never cheated over the board, he could still feel truthful if the cheating was during prep off the board.
this is bullshit by the way lol I can't believe this theory is so popular
That theory makes sense and blurs the line of cheating too
@@perspectiveotaku3438 yes, Magnus' seconds who have known him for 15 years decided to leak preparation to some random grandmaster in a classical event. People who don't actively play tournament chess don't realize that preparation is a two way street. You can't just leak some preparation, if you leaked some, you have to leak all of it, because his prep is also based on what his opponent's moves. and are kept in large databanks. And if you try to tell me that Magnus Carlsen, world champion, was outprepped by someone who looked at his prep that morning and he has been looking at it for years, I'd think you were delusional. (I.e Hans recieved a wildcard to be in this event; he knew about his participation for a week max. and if you try to squeeze 10 years of world championship level preparation into a week, good luck lol)
This also means Magnus is a bigger piece of shit than ever before because if that's the case, he just let a 19 year old kid get harrassed on the internet for two weeks when a 5 word tweet could've stopped it if it was a prep leak.
Also, Magnus' seconds have already come out on chess24 saying that theory isn't true at all ^_^ but it's plausible because that's' what you want to cling to. If you ignore all the facts, then anything can make sense.
@@Anonymous-hm9dc The people who possibly leaked it came out and said they didn't leak it? Really, that's your evidence?
@@AirNeat is your theory that his entire prep team betrayed him? Yeah didn’t think so.
He's been very open....with EVERYTHING......
Also good to mention, the tournament literally put out a statement saying they had no evidence of any of the players cheating
They didn't dig "deep" enough...
Imagine being so good at Chess that when you lose everyone instantly thinks your opponent cheated. Seen vids about him, can definitely understand why they would think that.
yeah, the main problem is that, Magnus has lost before but he has never done something like that + the interview that was so sus. I think is just an accumulation of factors that crated the whole problem and not just one specific thing.
It's not that he was too good(he is) but that Hans is really bad
Statistically Hans should have won 1 in every 100 games vs Magnus
Which is just nuts that Hans won
@@jdjnfjb827 if he loses the next 99 then the statistic is validated. No one said he has to lose the 99 first.
@@MattM-oe6qs that's not how statistics work bro... LOL
It means that's there's a 1% chance every game of Hans winning and a 99% chance of Magnus winning every game
If we translate that and add on to it the fact that Hans is a known cheater, knew all the 20 initial machine movements of an Opening that Magnus had never played before and also couldn't explain his though process for his moves
Then I think that maybe he cheated
@@jdjnfjb827 in reality it's a high probability, cause he won so. . .
its actually insane how anal beads and chess could be connected like this. the world is truly unexpecting
I hate being that guy but I think you mean unpredictable. "Unexpecting" makes it sound like your some kind of super villain about to unleash a plague of anal beads on chess players.
@@myjobsucks who says they're not?
Aynaaaaaalll beeeeeads
Aynal beeeads
Some guy in pink tight pajama suit.
It's also insane how no one is comparing this to the 2020 election, most fair and secure. lmao
@@tylere.8436 because nobody's thinkin about past elections, we're focusing on how someone could cheat with high tech anal beads in chess
Reminds me of the cycling era of motors in the bike cranksets. Fabian Cancellara had the most suspicious race.
And then the unproven rumours of electro magnets in the bike stays and in the back wheel.
Hans halfway through the match said "my mind is telling me no... but my bodyyy is telling me yesss"
As someone who has won one game of chess in his life, this is earth shattering for me. I am not okay.
I beat Randy in middle school and he refused to shake my hand.
I beat a guy in chess several months ago and now he's in prison. Checkmate, my dude.
As a rectal chess master this is ok
As a penial chess gm I concur
never played, no opinion 🥹
Magnus makes one tweet.
The entire chess community tries to guess the next 5 moves.
This is literally an episode of its always sunny. New season even
People are ignoring the most important part of the video, Charlie saying “insane-o style”. Joel is gonna be put on the map with this one!
As someone who recently learned their computer comes bundled with a chess app, I can't believe our community would devolve to such meaningless drama.
"meaningless" you do realize these are their careers and professional chess is more dignified than you can imagine.
@@Hydro-_- 🤓🤓🤓🤓
@@Hydro-_- lives aren’t on the line and they play a game for a living. This is the literally definition of meaningless drama. It’s like a baseball pitcher getting caught with stickum. Literally meaningless.
@@roykoopa4real nah but the anal beads is funny asf
@@Hydro-_- i know right cheating in chess what’s next the apocalypse
I also heard one possibility was that someone on Magnus’ team gave Hans inside info on what line Magnus would play and that’s why he studied that one specifically. Crazy stuff either way
that would make a lot more sense. Because his tweet implied a conspiracy that would have consequences for Magnus himself if he spoke about it. One guy cheating is not a conspiracy, and it wouldnt really get Magnus himself in trouble if he revealed it. But if his own team mate collaborated it would be an actual conspiracy and that revealing it would have consequences for himself too
This is also extremely unlikely considering Magnus could have chosen to play a number of hundred lines depending how he was feeling, that’s a 1/1000000 odds that someone would betray Magnus and end up choosing the right line which Magnus would end up playing
It doesn't really make sense tho, first "magnus' team" isn't a bunch of randos, it's close friends. And I would have to be paid very handsomely for me to betray Magnus, a multimillionaire. No one could have paid a member of his team to betray him
@@EA_SP0RTCENTER crazier things have happened. I’m not saying it as fact, it’s just a conspiracy as to why Hans decided to study that random/specific start.
@@EA_SP0RTCENTER Never underestimate the power of greed.. I mean, just watch true crime shows, people kill their spouses over small life insurance claims. Or perhaps someone who felt betrayed and wanted revenge.. the possibilities are endless.
bro was not remembered as the person who beat magnus, but remembered as the person with the buttplug in a chess tournament💀
If he did cheat, it was probably through espionage, going into the tournament ahead of time already knowing what strategy Magnus was going to try and preparing against that ahead of time. Maybe not cheating in the technical sense but probably in a bit of a weird gray area.
Ok how would a 19 year old chess player get the most respected grandmaster in histories prep when said world champion has a tight knit group of seconds that would literally commit career suicide in his name.
This trick has been around for years, Back in '72 I beat Kasparov with a Commodore Pet shoved up my ass. Man did that thing throw a lot of heat. Anyways, I feel sorry for the guy with the wand who will now have to add a goatse check to his pre-game inspection repertoire. I'd rather be a little league umpire and take all the abuse that comes with it.
High level chess and little league baseball has more in common than many would like to admit
If this scandal isn't called "bussygate" I will be mad.
not only is the queen being kept alive in a nutrient tank, but she will be controlling charles with beads
Speaking of always sunny, they did a hilarious take on this topic.
I came here just to say this. 😂
Charlie is and forever will be god tier level commentary
I would say Jesus tier
@@Mcspazz731 Dang, it's rare to see someone comment before the bot.
I agree but the tone of his voice really tires me after one or two videos. It's just monotonous.
w comment
@@KanaIzumiya this comment you’re replying under is a bot comment, so technically he didn’t
If Hanz truly didn't cheat, how embarrassing would this be for Magnus and the chess community xD
I doubt Hans would cheat against Magnus, if you pull something like this then in a less obvious way against a weaker player.
It doesnt look like he cheated otb.
@@snowhawk4049 why would you cheat against a weaker player that doesn't make any sense
especially in a game like chess
@@bighillraft bc it’s a free win with no suspicion
@@ignis6144 theres no point though, you can just... win normally if they're weaker
"Are you standing, because you're going to want to.."
"I'm always maximally reclined.."
12:45 Someone spends 4 hours making a device that could do that, and another person is making a open source project trying to demonstrate that it could work... but he just need someone willing to test it.
As a guy that has only played chess once years ago in school and lost
This has me quaking, shaking on my bed i am absolutely quintuckeled insano indeed
Indubitably.
@@personexistingnot 🧐
Hans was probably shaking too.
@@mrred9474 hans kim
charlie does seem easily entertained doesnt he
I love how Charlie always decides to take a shower 15 mins before he films.
What's wrong with that
@@Ali-se3gb Op literally says he loved how he does.
His name IS moist...
@@shnmraari9943 it can reasonably be interpreted as sarcasm imo
He should get head&shoulders as a sponsor
A couple of points Hikaru brought up. The picture of Hans getting scanned by the wand is after the Carlsen match. They only brought it in then, so it wasn't there when he played Magnus. Secondly, they don't search your shoes at that tournament, which is important because there's something called "sockfish". He definitely had a larger opportunity to cheat than Charlie realises.
Imagine playing 1 minute bullet with the beads
As a cheese eater myself, this is so heart breaking. Imma go smoke a doobie
Same. Enjoy your smoke brother 💯
Im drinking a cheese and orange milk shake myself
@@josephkehler5241 😐 w......tf
yo can i get a hit of that
@@jamesmcivor340 new Bothwell mild give it a try
The most shocking thing isnt the victory, but instead the fact that he didn't finish before the match did
Ohhhhh I'm com.... peting
@@Lucas_Jeffrey LMFAO
I don’t think the location for the beads has many nerves so it would need to be really deep to avoid detection and transmit coherent messages.
the fact that this is so outlandish that they put it into an episode of Always Sunny was literally so fitting
Niemann had nothing to lose against Magnus, It's pretty weird if he went to great lengths at the risk of his whole career and GM title to have a win against him. It's not even the first time someone beat MC. He either cheated and was really prepared to defend himself from allegations, or he did not cheat which makes being transparent easy for him. Overall, chess is freaking wild.
Yeah when I heard MC used this like only ever once I thought "yeah maybe he let down his guard a bit"
It’s not even the first time hans beat him, he beat him in a rapid (15 minutes) game a couple of weeks before. Although there is a large difference between rapid and classical.
he "risked his whole career" both times he was caught cheating online for smaller matches, but that still didn't stop them
Beating Magus puts his rating to Super Gm. It'd also make him first in a 100k tournament. I don't see any real evidence he cheated, but there's definitely reason to.
@@karrawr9538 I mean, he was 12, and 16. And they were online casual matches, not even rated. I don't think he risked his career doing that
Me: standing up
Charles: you’re gonna wanna take a seat
**scandal is revealed**
Me: gasping for air
@KINDLY HELP ME REACH TO 99K SUB Nobody gives a shit about your profile picture
You should have sat down smh
At least people in wheelchairs watching this video are safe
@@theoverlord4218 galaxy brain strats
It's amazing how much effort people will apply to cheating instead of getting better
It’s impossible for most people to ever reach SuperGM levels of skill. There’s only 24 SuperGMs in the whole world right now.
10:19 When suddenly "It has to be this way" starts playing during a chess match...
I find this story so funny and it just seems like people don't want to believe that magnus could lose
That's not how chess works buddy, if any random person could do what he did then we wouldn't be here in the first place.
@@Ebani facts
@@Ebani but it really isn't a random player, as i understand it it's the player ranked 49th in the world
@@Eiden_Simply you dont know chess dont speak on chess if you dont know how it works
Magnus loses relatively often, it's more the fact that he withdrew from a tournament which is extremely, extremely rare in chess combined with Hans' behavior. Moreover, Magnus is the single most respected individual in the sport. It would be like Federer, Nadal and Djokovic all accusing the same person of cheating. It's not proof but you damn sure have to look into it.
The most believable and reasonable explanation I've seen is that someone close to Magnus leaked the strategy he was gonna use against Hans. So Hans obviously just prepared for it like he admitted in the interview
Or like. Couldnt it just be that he studied various strategies before the tournemant, and went "ah yeah, magnus used a tactic I prepared for."
@@carpedm9846 No, because Magnus has never played that line before with either black or white
@@carpedm9846 well Magnus only used the line once and usually they study the more used lines because the person is more likely to do those lines so the chances os hans knowing the line that was used once is very low
Thing is, as a chess player you don't just have this secret "chess strategy I'll use tomorrow" diary or idea like chess is a perfect information game that's not really a thing. People have been talking about leaked opening preps but
1) If you wanted to leak his prep which is already weird if you had something against him or smth *you don't give it to Hans when he is playing black against magnus*
2) the more real point, you don't really have one opening in this secret folder, when you prepare for a game you look at multiple lines and sidelines on your chessbase which is basically like a large note system software for chess so if someone was to leak his prep that would be like me asking for some cheat sheet before a test and someone handing me a book.
Han's interviews have been absolutely dogshit but there's no clear indication or any indication that he cheated. It's just magnus leaving the tournament which is an absolutely terrible thing to do in a round robin tournament made people think it had something to do with cheating and then chess streamers like hikaru just hopped on that bandwagon for content. Clearly magnus thinks he did cheat because he didn't come out to clear anything up for this entire time but there's simply no proof so that's just being a dick
@@carpedm9846 you clearly dont know how chess works
I love the "Insano style" reference from Joel Haver
Funny how he references It’s Always Sunny…
9:37 when Charlie said he didn't believe Hans cheated Magnus Carlsen immediately busted through the door to attack Charlie
How did this comment fly under the radar
That's him trying to bust through the door 💀💀💀
I was at a chess competition once, and a guy literally had his phone sticking out of his pocket that had the position on the board 🤣The tournament director was called and the guy started crying lol
Cheating in chess now is easier than ever, but it sucks when it comes down to competitions with prizes and etc. that it's something you potentially have to worry about. There've been times when I played people I thought were cheating, I keep my eyes on them.
Anyway, great video!
Very easy to cheat actually. You can just go to the bathroom during the match and use stockfish to your benefit. Any player above 1600 ELO with decent memory can easily reconstruct a positon on their phone after leaving the board. And then getting a full evaluation from the engine. Giving them information about who stands better and key ideas in the position. It's so easy to get away with, without raising any suspicion, as long as you don't abuse this and check for every move. Best you can do is probably just to be aware and keep your eyes on suspects, as you said.
@@totalhysteria thanks 4 the advise 🚶
@@mice4486 🤣
action chess ac assassin creed
I’m literally a better chess player than you dude
you could probably use stockfish for esports tournaments especially MOBA. I can alert the players if there is a gank or an ambush or if the enemy team is taking big objectives. idk seems wild
Gives the "gut feeling" a new meaning
The most annoying thing about this whole situation is fairly prominent figures in the chess community on the Hans cheated bandwagon led me and I'm sure many other people to believe the moves he played were inconceivable and something only a chess bot would come up with. Which is simply not true. The line he played has been done before and is very much something you can study. It's really sad such popular people in chess are being so disingenuous.
Hikaru throwing blame with no evidence
@@paulplockinger431 Edit: i Stand corrected. I mixed up levy and Hikaru's analysis. Levy is pretty unbias in this situation.
"Well not just Hikaru. Gothamchess had me convinced based on his review of the game and post interview that the line he played didn't exist and that all his moves went against chess theory. Later to find out that was all completely false."
@@paulplockinger431 honestly made me lose a little respect for him it’s sad and I genuinely believe it comes from a place of him thinking “if I couldn’t beat him there’s no way this guy did”. Even if Hans did cheat it’s sad to see all these guys immediately jump to conclusions, you’d expect more contemplation on issues like this from top lvl chess players but I guess not.
@@paulplockinger431 There is some evidence, its just not conclusive evidence.
Evidence is just anything that supports a conclusion. Tons of evidence exists. Its just that when you want to make a conviction, you need conclusive evidence.
Not all evidence is proof that something happened. You can even have evidence for stuff that isnt true without it being contradictory. But conclusive evidence is when the evidence is strong enough to actually prove the statement.
But yea, evidence comes in many different levels. to say there is NO evidence is a bit naive, there just wasnt any conclusive evidence. But there definitely IS some evidence.
@@snarf1851 "well not just hikaru. Hikaru's puppet is also pushing what hikaru is preaching" I wonder why I'm not surprised. No offense to gothamchess I like a lot of his videos, but he has possible bias in this situation.
Magnus: *makes a move*
Hans: 😩😩😫... I'll now make my move.😎
2 things:
1. the extensive security checks were implemented the following session after magnus resigned, not all along the way
2. top GMs do not think hans had anal beads or whatever, that was a reddit theory by imaginative gachi fans, all top GMs say most likely magnus' prep got leaked which implies hans paid someone off or is friends with someone in magnus' team.
2:40 you got me hooked at multiverse
Could you imagine if you were innocent in this situation, and are being attacked to this level just because you beat someone? Crazy as hell
Maybe If he didn’t act all sus during the interview
now imagine if you’re guilty. that shit craaaaaazy
It's damn near impossible to beat Magnus , that's why
@@lolhavefun9201 Except he lost. So it's not impossible.
@@thwomp1542 That's the whole point of him cheating tho?