In this video I talk about the 280 Remington, I talk about it's history, ballistics and how it compares to the 270 Win and 30-06. Hope you enjoy the video!
280 rem is a great round. To many ppl over look it I agree. It’s my long range target gun. Remington 700 in 280 rem! With a 162 eld match. Shoots lights out!
I grew up in Wyoming hunting with a .280Rem. Handloaded with 160gr Nosler Partitions...and up to .270 pressures...it's a fine Elk round out to around 600yds. As I always say, it'll do anything a .270 will but 10gr heavier! I've taken everything from Antelope to large Elk with it and it's not let me down in 40 years of use. I've never felt "under" gunned with it no matter the situation.
I hunted with a 7mm RM for a long time. Now I have a 280 Rem and will never go back. Of all the dozen or so rifles I own, it may be the perfect cartridge IMO.
I love my 280. I know it's not the fastest/biggest round around but it sure has served me well. I shoot 140grn AB out of it and they are devastating on deer.
Love my Bill Wiseman barreled M70 280. Many years ago I said I could probably finish out my hunting years with it. But where's the fun in that? I wouldn't hesitate to tackle brown bear using 175 gr Swift A-Frames. It's all about shot placement anyway. Thanks for the vid!
The 280 hits right in the sweet spot for a hunting round. I know people that hand load for it and it’s performance on game is very effective. It’s a shame Remington themselves where responsible for its poor sales. Here’s hoping the Internet can bring attention to it and maybe re-spark interest in it as it and the 6.5cm did for the original 6.5’s.
Absolutely love my .280. My dad had the standard caliber rifles and I chose to go with slightly different ones. He had the 25-06 and I love that cartridge too. My best buddy's brother introduced me to the .280. My Sako 75 Hunter is my favorite. I handload my ammo and it is nothing short of remarkable. My next acquisition will be the 7mm-08. Thanks for work you put into this video.
I hunted with .280 for over twenty years and had more than a few different rifles in that caliber. Transitioned to the Ackley version 5 years ago and haven’t looked back. Still love the .280 but the .280AI shines if you handload. I hunt whitetail in the SE USA and mostly 300yds. Recoil a bit more than mild. There is still a soft place in my heart and great memories with the .280. Thanks for video on overlooked cartridge
Excellent coverage of this really fine cartridge! The .280 Remington was my favorite hunting caliber for over 25 years, and just as you said, it can do it all. A hunter just can't go wrong with this cartridge.Thanks for giving it some overdue publicity!
I have had mine since 1984. I love it, and have killed more than I can remember with it. Having serious issues finding ammo nowadays though. Might start doing some hand loads.
A few years ago I finally found a late 80’s blued walnut Remington 700 mountain rifle in 280. Shoots very good with handloads and a joy to carry. When I was 16 I really wanted one of these, better late then never I guess
I've got a .280 winchester model 70 featherweight along with a .257 roberts in the same model. My grandad bought the .280 thinking he would go out west but he never went. Great rifle and love the .280 cartridge
In the mid/late 80s i wanted a 280 bad. But the 270 Win, 30-06 and 300 Wby were serving me just fine. Never have gotten a 280. Never got a 35 Whelan either. Both fine rounds.
I think the 280 Remington Ackley improved is a home run. I think that is why it's a popular modification to the 280 Remington and a very good alternative to the 7mm rim mag. if you look at the reloading manuals to 280 AI is almost producing 7mm mag velocities with the same weight bullet with quite a bit less powder. I do actually like the 7-mm 08 also I think if you're practical and you're hunting within 300 yards the 7mm 08 is more than enough. I think you only need more if you're trying to shoot further. I personally don't see myself hunting beyond 300 yards. I'm looking at buying the Winchester model 70 super grade and I'm trying to decide between the classic 270 the 7mm 08 and the 280 Remington. I think they're all great so it's a hard decision. Thank you 👍
I have a.280 Remington in a Winchester model 70 Featherweight… absolutely love this rifle/ cartridge combo! But it’s a 1 in 10” twist . Not sure why they make them like that but I wish it had a 1 in 9” twist for the heavier 175 grain bullets .
Like all the rest of comments below the 280 is an excellent cartridge. In 50+ yrs of hunting and having over 85 guns I’ve had 3 rifles in the 280. All were great guns. Missed my chance on a Model 70 Featherweight in 280 recently though. My best load was a 162gr Hornady using a hot load of IMR 4831 that chronographed at 2940fps. That load accounted for moose, bear elk and numerous whitetail and mule deer.
Love my 280! It’s different and straight puts the smack down on whitetail. I shoot nosler trophy grade 140 accubond. Very expensive ammo but I only use about 3 rounds a year when I’m hunting. My scope never moves
I inherited a 721 in .280 from my dad. I figured I'd use it for an elk hunt later this year. I went through 5 or six different boxes of ammo, with different grns. All crap groupings. Then i shot Federal Vital Shock 140grn. .75moa😮. I was impressed.
I know people hate 264 win mag but if it came out recently rather when it debut wouldve been extremely popular but youre right this 280 is sweet underatted round classic
Exactly. My dad use to shoot a 264 Win and killed quite a few mulies and pronghorn with it. One of my favorite memories growing up is watching him shoot a 180” mulie at about 350 yards across a canyon in western Colorado. The 140 partition simply folded the buck where it stood.
I have a pair of .280 Remingtons a 280 Ackley, a .270 and a 7mm-08. Honestly the .280 REMs are my favorites. The Ackley is a good round too but the Remington didn’t need that much improving. The 280 REM is flat, hits hard and has very reasonable recoil. Its very easy to reload for - IMR 4831 and a 140 gr Barnes ttsx. It’s a little more versatile than the 7mm-08 for open country.
A great cartridge but overshadowed on each slde with more popular cartridges with some advantages.The .270 can shoot flatter and the .30-06 which can handle factory loads from 150-220 grains. Although with a well constructed bullet, they are virtually interchangeable. In addition, the .308 has cheaper and better ammo selection. Thanks for sharing.
I bought a Remington Mountain Rifle 30 some years ago. Scoped it, put it in the Safe and have never fired it! This year I plan on deer hunting with it! I've loaded some 139 grain Hornady bullets and some Nosler 140 grain Partitions over 52.0 grains of H450. Velocity should be around 2650 fps. which is adequate for whitetail deer! I never load maximum listed loads! If needed or necessary, I buy factory loaded ammunition! Zero your rifle at 200 some yards for a dead on hold of +/- 3"!
I have the Remington 700 as in 280 purchased in 92, was synthetic stock,"arlyon " cheaper than the mountain rifle but I was making 10 bucks an hr and saved 2 yrs for it, poor man's mountain rifle.
If I was going to use that case and I wanted a 7mm I would defiantly go to the Ackley improved version. While the 7mm rem mag is good, it is not as efficient as the smaller 280AI. That is the case with smaller cases, they are more efficient than larger cases, however if you really want more power, the larger cases will provide that. I have three 7mm rem mags, one for hunting and two for benchrest compititions, I also have a 7mm 284 win which has a smaller case still, but it is very efficient. The 7mm rem mag gives 135fper second faster than the 284win, however the gap would widen if slower burning powder was used in the rem. the slow burning cannot be used in the 284 because the case is too small for that powder. In Australia the 284 win is the most popular 7mm round for long distance benchrest. With less powder than the 7mm rem mag, it does not get quite as hot and is less likely to let a shooter down in the last one or two shots, through being over hot. Benchrest shooting is different to hunting and F class shooting because the shooter has unlimited sighters over a ten minute period, in which case six or even seven shots are fired as sighters only, then the competion starts where another ten shots may be fired, this could mean between fifteen to seventeen shots fired. This is too many for a magnum on a hot day but may be ok on a cold day. The 284 win gets hot but as hot as a magnum, that is why it is so popular. I think the 280AI may be able to achieve the same results or better than the 284win, though I have never seen one at a match. F-class shooting allows only two sighter shots so there is less chance of overheating. Hunting of course is an entirely different game, except in unusual circumstances, not many shots are fired and barrel heating is not a problem.
I like the idea of it.. shame it never got the media bump like the .270 win did. Almost ordered my backcountry 2.0 in a similar .280 AI but ammo is basically nonexistent right now. Went with 30-378 instead.
You should have bought the 300 Weatherby mag. The 30-378 goes about 200 fps faster but the ammo costs twice as much. I can get Weatherby ammo for about $70 a box 165 gr @ 3,300+ fps mv
You can own all different calibers. This is America. Like ice cream you can have many flavors. I have had 22lr, 22 mag, 223, 22-250, 243, 25-06, 257 Weatherby mag, 270, 7mm Remmag, 7mm RUM, 30 carbine, 30-30, 308, 30-06, 300 Winmag, 300 Weatherby mag, 8mm Remmag, 338 Winmag, 35 Remington, 375 Ruger, 416 Ruger, 444 Marlin, 12 GA.
Remington really acted as their own sales prevention team when they underloaded it and introduced the 7MM Rem Mag a few years later. Plus the 270 has always been neck and neck with the 280 Rem.
I like the idea of the 280 Rem, it works but what made me go with it's AI brother was the chambering issues. A lot of gunsmiths have older 7MM Express/280 Rem chamberings that won't fit. I believe the change took place in the 1990's. I've had to have 2 rifles that needed more free bore to fit factory ammo. One was a Browning BAR. I like the cartridge but really like the Ackley Improved version.
Shot a whitetail buck this year at 272 yard with my 280. Have owned a 280 since 1992 and taken whitetail, mule deer, moose and black bear. All have been at 150 yards out to 325 yards with no issue's.
280 Rem. Take a look at the Nosler Manual #4. 160g-162g bullet, Fed 210 primer, IMR 7828, 2930 fps, real world, not text pie in the sky! Look at Nosler's accuracy load and this is for bolt guns only. Manuals were adjusted for pumps and semi auto's. Also, with the 180g Hornady ELD-M, R#17, ballistics at 2700 is fantastic to say the least. I form brass from Lapua 30/06 brass, and you can not kill the primer pockets on the Lapua brass. RWS makes 280 brass if you can find any
I love these comparisons; makes sense these calibers look similar on paper however the performance in the woods is a very difficult factor to quantify. I have all three calibers and hands nothing comes close to the 280 in knockdown power. In my opinion the 280 should be the biggest selling standard caliber of all time. However I do realize there are alot of opinions out there so I will use the term my two cents. I love shooting the belted boys however I do know in the woods and shooting around a hundred yards the 280 is a much better choice.MY advice if it carries any weight I tell my friends if you see a 280 for sale don't think just buy it. Remington completely blew it with this caliber no wonder they went out of business. Regards all.
.280 could have been the one cartridge that gave hunters both .270 and .30-06 performance in one package. At least we can sure enough load it that way today. And we don't have to go to the AI version to get real decent numbers either.
@@ReloadingWeatherby It's one of those deals where something that is potentially superior or actually superior does not get the proper promotion or it fails to inspire people based on ignorance or perception or both. 7mm-08 is at least twice as popular as .280. I find that a real oddity. .280 had a 20 year head start.
Sure it’s good. But it doesn’t do anything that other, easier to find calibers do not. Even these days you can usually find 270, 30-06, 308 etc but 280, 25-06, 7mm-08 etc can be more challenging to find. People worry too much about this. At the end of the day, it’s what you are comfortable and accurate with that counts Cheers
The next year .308 came out short action w .284 was born .280 went to express I went and built a 6.5x06 it can shoot 156 Norma and the 160 Hornady r n down to 85 gr I shoot a 95 horn v max at 3350 and at 500 yard it drops only 10” w +2 at 100 my 7 mm08 w 110 hp are close but not quite 4” high at 100 zero I like 7 mm the 280 improved would work for most having a Swede and 7 mm this round w 110 should crank 3600 fps and 600 yard yote shots better than wind calc smaller calibers even the 22 250 blows all over the place w 60 s the only other one close would be a .243 70 gr full load 4350 3400
I think where it does is on long range targets where bc is king. I'm running a 25" 280ai with 184gr berger @ 2850fps and can reliably ring steel at 2000 yards. This is in a hunting weight rifle. You seldom see anyone be successful at this with 30-06. The BC velocity balance just isn't as good.
It’s close to the 30-06 but better with longer ranges and what did it for me was the lighter recoil. And now with a brake, it has about the same recoil as a 243
280 Rem Express is like a 7mm Mauser on steroids' , Remington did not push it enough , 7mm are almost just right for most hunting. unless its in Alaske or Africa
Everything about the .280 case and the 30-06 case is the same except for the length of the case neck. All other measurements are the same. Necking a case down is not always a good idea if you want to create ballistic performance.
Remington wanted the 280 for use in their 760 pump 742 auto. The problem was they jammed in the pump, they got stuck in chamber so Remington loaded the 280 a little lighter (less powder) than the Win 270. This was a big turn off to shooters and the 280 never got the credit it deserved.
280 was always a hair better than the 30-06 and 270. Low pressure loading for Remington wood master automatic and 7mm Remington Magnum doomed it. In a bolt action rifle loaded to pressures of a 270 it is probably the best efficient soft skin game cartridge of all time. I always called the 280 the thinking man's rifle cartridge.
I consider myself a thinking man and I shoot 270. Does it matter? Nope. Whatever you can shoot accurately is all that matters. Deer are actually pretty soft and easy to kill. Other big game not so much but how many people really hunt grizzlies? With the increasing scrutiny of firearms and ammunition, I definitely prefer popular calibers (I do not reload.) If the liberals continue to win elections, our rights will continually be eroded and having a common and popular caliber will be increasingly advantageous. Obviously I hope this doesn’t happen. Any caliber is going to have its fans but “better” is hard to prove. Most guys I know that shoot competitively use 308 but that is what they like. I like it as well, but is it “better” than my 270? Maybe, but for most uses, it’s splitting hairs Cheers
@@tomdavis3038 The deer will not know the difference and don't care what you think. I don't own a 280. Load ammo for it though. I do own the 270 and 06. Thinking about if I knew what know now I'd have just the 280 to split the difference. Always good to have military caliber firearms. That is why I have 9mm , 308, and 223 and good old 45acp. They not my favorite hunting rifles and pistol. They for Just In Case something hits the fan. I pray that never happens.
@@ReloadingWeatherbyI find the max velocities in most manuals hard to achieve. I don't load the 270 but I'd be very happy with 2900 with a 150 out of my 280 with a 23 inch barrel. And that would be at least a full grain above the max listed by Nosler... Just my experience. maybe I have a slow barrel.
@bneaclab1 If you use the right powders it's not that hard. IMR 7828 SSC is great for velocity. I loaded up a load for my friend and he is getting 2950 FPS. And it's not a hot load
@@ReloadingWeatherby 53 of imr4350 behind a 160 accubond gives me 2800 in my 280. That is 'well' above max and below max listed velocity, or right around it. I've thought about your suggested powder, but I'm happy with my load at the end of the day as it is very accurate.
The 280 is a good round but its lack of popularity along with the demise of the 264 win mag can be summed up with 3 words. 7MM REMINGTON MAGNUM. Anyone saying the 7mm mag is not the premier 284 is really fooling themselves. The 7mm rem mag like its twin the 7mm weatherby mag are the top of the heap in 7mm.There is the Mashburn magnum, which gives a bit more velocity but with more powder. The Sharp &Hart and the Achley Improved but all require more expensive brass which can be hard to come by. The Remington is about as perfect a balance IMO as one can get in 284. The 28 Nosler is just stupid with a box of 20 unfired brass going for around 3 bucks a case and that's IF YOU CAN FIND. IT.
280 rem is a great round. To many ppl over look it I agree. It’s my long range target gun. Remington 700 in 280 rem! With a 162 eld match. Shoots lights out!
Have you done a video on it?
@@ReloadingWeatherby I have not yet. Been to busy trying to get my 300 wsm load work up done for my hunt in Texas and New Mexico
@@ReloadingQuest How is your 300 WSM shooting?
@@ReloadingWeatherby good I got it shooting a 3/4 group after messing with the seating depth. Shooing 150gr Barnes ttsx and imr4350
@@ReloadingQuest What is the velocity? The 300 WSM I tried was slow
I grew up in Wyoming hunting with a .280Rem. Handloaded with 160gr Nosler Partitions...and up to .270 pressures...it's a fine Elk round out to around 600yds. As I always say, it'll do anything a .270 will but 10gr heavier! I've taken everything from Antelope to large Elk with it and it's not let me down in 40 years of use. I've never felt "under" gunned with it no matter the situation.
Thanks for sharing! Very underrated!
I hunted with a 7mm RM for a long time. Now I have a 280 Rem and will never go back. Of all the dozen or so rifles I own, it may be the perfect cartridge IMO.
Thanks for sharing
I love my 280. I know it's not the fastest/biggest round around but it sure has served me well. I shoot 140grn AB out of it and they are devastating on deer.
My 280 is my favorite hunting rifle. Great for deer, elk and antelope. I have lots of other caliber rifles but this one is my favorite.
It's a good one!
Love my Bill Wiseman barreled M70 280. Many years ago I said I could probably finish out my hunting years with it. But where's the fun in that? I wouldn't hesitate to tackle brown bear using 175 gr Swift A-Frames. It's all about shot placement anyway. Thanks for the vid!
The 280 hits right in the sweet spot for a hunting round. I know people that hand load for it and it’s performance on game is very effective. It’s a shame Remington themselves where responsible for its poor sales. Here’s hoping the Internet can bring attention to it and maybe re-spark interest in it as it and the 6.5cm did for the original 6.5’s.
Absolutely love my .280. My dad had the standard caliber rifles and I chose to go with slightly different ones. He had the 25-06 and I love that cartridge too. My best buddy's brother introduced me to the .280. My Sako 75 Hunter is my favorite. I handload my ammo and it is nothing short of remarkable. My next acquisition will be the 7mm-08. Thanks for work you put into this video.
Thanks for commenting!
I hunted with .280 for over twenty years and had more than a few different rifles in that caliber. Transitioned to the Ackley version 5 years ago and haven’t looked back. Still love the .280 but the .280AI shines if you handload. I hunt whitetail in the SE USA and mostly 300yds. Recoil a bit more than mild. There is still a soft place in my heart and great memories with the .280. Thanks for video on overlooked cartridge
Excellent coverage of this really fine cartridge! The .280 Remington was my favorite hunting caliber for over 25 years, and just as you said, it can do it all. A hunter just can't go wrong with this cartridge.Thanks for giving it some overdue publicity!
Thanks for watching
Got a Remington 700 Classic in 280 Rem. I love it! 😉
I have had mine since 1984. I love it, and have killed more than I can remember with it. Having serious issues finding ammo nowadays though. Might start doing some hand loads.
A few years ago I finally found a late 80’s blued walnut Remington 700 mountain rifle in 280. Shoots very good with handloads and a joy to carry. When I was 16 I really wanted one of these, better late then never I guess
Nice! Thanks for sharing John!
PAID 500$FOR THE SAME ONE....KID NEEDED FUNDS.I HELPED HIM OUT!😅
I just bought my first gun and its a 280 remington. cant wait to take it to the range after the holidays.
I've got a .280 winchester model 70 featherweight along with a .257 roberts in the same model. My grandad bought the .280 thinking he would go out west but he never went. Great rifle and love the .280 cartridge
Thanks for commenting!
In the mid/late 80s i wanted a 280 bad. But the 270 Win, 30-06 and 300 Wby were serving me just fine. Never have gotten a 280. Never got a 35 Whelan either. Both fine rounds.
I think the 280 Remington Ackley improved is a home run. I think that is why it's a popular modification to the 280 Remington and a very good alternative to the 7mm rim mag. if you look at the reloading manuals to 280 AI is almost producing 7mm mag velocities with the same weight bullet with quite a bit less powder. I do actually like the 7-mm 08 also I think if you're practical and you're hunting within 300 yards the 7mm 08 is more than enough. I think you only need more if you're trying to shoot further. I personally don't see myself hunting beyond 300 yards. I'm looking at buying the Winchester model 70 super grade and I'm trying to decide between the classic 270 the 7mm 08 and the 280 Remington. I think they're all great so it's a hard decision. Thank you 👍
Kinda odd it wasn't mentioned
I have a.280 Remington in a Winchester model 70 Featherweight… absolutely love this rifle/ cartridge combo! But it’s a 1 in 10” twist . Not sure why they make them like that but I wish it had a 1 in 9” twist for the heavier 175 grain bullets .
Like all the rest of comments below the 280 is an excellent cartridge. In 50+ yrs of hunting and having over 85 guns I’ve had 3 rifles in the 280. All were great guns. Missed my chance on a Model 70 Featherweight in 280 recently though. My best load was a 162gr Hornady using a hot load of IMR 4831 that chronographed at 2940fps. That load accounted for moose, bear elk and numerous whitetail and mule deer.
Thanks for sharing!
Love my 280! It’s different and straight puts the smack down on whitetail. I shoot nosler trophy grade 140 accubond. Very expensive ammo but I only use about 3 rounds a year when I’m hunting. My scope never moves
Good to see a video of my old workhorse. Thank you
I've bagged whitetail, muley, elk and a moose with this round. Very versatile round.
What grain would you use for moose?
I inherited a 721 in .280 from my dad. I figured I'd use it for an elk hunt later this year. I went through 5 or six different boxes of ammo, with different grns. All crap groupings. Then i shot Federal Vital Shock 140grn. .75moa😮. I was impressed.
Glad you found something it likes
I know people hate 264 win mag but if it came out recently rather when it debut wouldve been extremely popular but youre right this 280 is sweet underatted round classic
Yep, 280 and 264 came out at the wrong time
264 win is one of my favorites. It’s a poor man’s 257 Weatherby.
Exactly. My dad use to shoot a 264 Win and killed quite a few mulies and pronghorn with it. One of my favorite memories growing up is watching him shoot a 180” mulie at about 350 yards across a canyon in western Colorado. The 140 partition simply folded the buck where it stood.
I have a Browning A-Bolt(GreyWolf) in .280 Rem. Love that rifle.
Nice! Thanks for sharing
I love my 280 rem
I have a pair of .280 Remingtons a 280 Ackley, a .270 and a 7mm-08. Honestly the .280 REMs are my favorites. The Ackley is a good round too but the Remington didn’t need that much improving. The 280 REM is flat, hits hard and has very reasonable recoil. Its very easy to reload for - IMR 4831 and a 140 gr Barnes ttsx. It’s a little more versatile than the 7mm-08 for open country.
Thanks for commenting!
A great cartridge but overshadowed on each slde with more popular cartridges with some advantages.The .270 can shoot flatter and the .30-06 which can handle factory loads from 150-220 grains. Although with a well constructed bullet, they are virtually interchangeable. In addition, the .308 has cheaper and better ammo selection. Thanks for sharing.
I inherited my dad's .280. It really likes 140grn Federal.
I bought a Remington Mountain Rifle 30 some years ago. Scoped it, put it in the Safe and have never fired it! This year I plan on deer hunting with it! I've loaded some 139 grain Hornady bullets and some Nosler 140 grain Partitions over 52.0 grains of H450. Velocity should be around 2650 fps. which is adequate for whitetail deer! I never load maximum listed loads! If needed or necessary, I buy factory loaded ammunition! Zero your rifle at 200 some yards for a dead on hold of +/- 3"!
Sounds like you're set
I have the Remington 700 as in 280 purchased in 92, was synthetic stock,"arlyon " cheaper than the mountain rifle but I was making 10 bucks an hr and saved 2 yrs for it, poor man's mountain rifle.
I harvested a B.C. Moose with my .280 Rem. a few years back, it was a one shot kill! Fawnie Mountain Outfitters, if you're interested!
Thanks for sharing!
What grain you use and how many yards? TIA
It really is a well rounded cartridges my 280ai is getting velocity’s I never would have guessed it would
If I was going to use that case and I wanted a 7mm I would defiantly go to the Ackley improved version. While the 7mm rem mag is good, it is not as efficient as the smaller 280AI. That is the case with smaller cases, they are more efficient than larger cases, however if you really want more power, the larger cases will provide that. I have three 7mm rem mags, one for hunting and two for benchrest compititions, I also have a 7mm 284 win which has a smaller case still, but it is very efficient. The 7mm rem mag gives 135fper second faster than the 284win, however the gap would widen if slower burning powder was used in the rem. the slow burning cannot be used in the 284 because the case is too small for that powder. In Australia the 284 win is the most popular 7mm round for long distance benchrest. With less powder than the 7mm rem mag, it does not get quite as hot and is less likely to let a shooter down in the last one or two shots, through being over hot. Benchrest shooting is different to hunting and F class shooting because the shooter has unlimited sighters over a ten minute period, in which case six or even seven shots are fired as sighters only, then the competion starts where another ten shots may be fired, this could mean between fifteen to seventeen shots fired. This is too many for a magnum on a hot day but may be ok on a cold day. The 284 win gets hot but as hot as a magnum, that is why it is so popular. I think the 280AI may be able to achieve the same results or better than the 284win, though I have never seen one at a match. F-class shooting allows only two sighter shots so there is less chance of overheating. Hunting of course is an entirely different game, except in unusual circumstances, not many shots are fired and barrel heating is not a problem.
Great cartridge!
I like the idea of it.. shame it never got the media bump like the .270 win did. Almost ordered my backcountry 2.0 in a similar .280 AI but ammo is basically nonexistent right now. Went with 30-378 instead.
You should have bought the 300 Weatherby mag. The 30-378 goes about 200 fps faster but the ammo costs twice as much. I can get Weatherby ammo for about $70 a box 165 gr @ 3,300+ fps mv
You can own all different calibers. This is America. Like ice cream you can have many flavors. I have had 22lr, 22 mag, 223, 22-250, 243, 25-06, 257 Weatherby mag, 270, 7mm Remmag, 7mm RUM, 30 carbine, 30-30, 308, 30-06, 300 Winmag, 300 Weatherby mag, 8mm Remmag, 338 Winmag, 35 Remington, 375 Ruger, 416 Ruger, 444 Marlin, 12 GA.
Remington really acted as their own sales prevention team when they underloaded it and introduced the 7MM Rem Mag a few years later. Plus the 270 has always been neck and neck with the 280 Rem.
Remington themselves screwed over the 280 Rem. Unfortunately. Especially since it is probably the best cartridge in the 30-06 rifle case group
One of the best cartridges made.
My Favorite Cartridge!!! Yay!
Been meaning to do it for a while
I like the idea of the 280 Rem, it works but what made me go with it's AI brother was the chambering issues. A lot of gunsmiths have older 7MM Express/280 Rem chamberings that won't fit. I believe the change took place in the 1990's. I've had to have 2 rifles that needed more free bore to fit factory ammo. One was a Browning BAR. I like the cartridge but really like the Ackley Improved version.
The 280 is my favorite for deer.
How many yards are you taking whitetails down
Anywhere from 20 to 250 yards, the last two were both under 30.
I love a 280 Remington,have a Cdl stainless fluted limited and a 7400 auto
Sweet!
Shot a whitetail buck this year at 272 yard with my 280. Have owned a 280 since 1992 and taken whitetail, mule deer, moose and black bear. All have been at 150 yards out to 325 yards with no issue's.
It's a good one
@@ReloadingWeatherby very steady round
280 Rem. Take a look at the Nosler Manual #4. 160g-162g bullet, Fed 210 primer, IMR 7828, 2930 fps, real world, not text pie in the sky! Look at Nosler's accuracy load and this is for bolt guns only. Manuals were adjusted for pumps and semi auto's.
Also, with the 180g Hornady ELD-M, R#17, ballistics at 2700 is fantastic to say the least. I form brass from Lapua 30/06 brass, and you can not kill the primer pockets on the Lapua brass. RWS makes 280 brass if you can find any
Yep! I have the most modern Nosler manual and it has the same velocities that you shared from manual #4.
Enjoyed the video. I admit I much prefer the Ackley, but your video was spot on
Thanks
I love these comparisons; makes sense these calibers look similar on paper however the performance in the woods is a very difficult factor to quantify. I have all three calibers and hands nothing comes close to the 280 in knockdown power. In my opinion the 280 should be the biggest selling standard caliber of all time. However I do realize there are alot of opinions out there so I will use the term my two cents. I love shooting the belted boys however I do know in the woods and shooting around a hundred yards the 280 is a much better choice.MY advice if it carries any weight I tell my friends if you see a 280 for sale don't think just buy it. Remington completely blew it with this caliber no wonder they went out of business. Regards all.
I think it would be a better comparison to select each by the sectional density.
Good video If I had my choice and could find all the loading components I would have the 280 just because I like the Oddball stuff
It's fun having the unique cartridges!
.280 could have been the one cartridge that gave hunters both .270 and .30-06 performance in one package. At least we can sure enough load it that way today. And we don't have to go to the AI version to get real decent numbers either.
It's a good one
@@ReloadingWeatherby It's one of those deals where something that is potentially superior or actually superior does not get the proper promotion or it fails to inspire people based on ignorance or perception or both. 7mm-08 is at least twice as popular as .280. I find that a real oddity. .280 had a 20 year head start.
280 Ackley is efficient but 7mm rem mag has better ammo availability.
Sure it’s good. But it doesn’t do anything that other, easier to find calibers do not. Even these days you can usually find 270, 30-06, 308 etc but 280, 25-06, 7mm-08 etc can be more challenging to find. People worry too much about this. At the end of the day, it’s what you are comfortable and accurate with that counts
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Very true
Can you make a video on the 264 win mag, considering one
Yep, I did include it in one of my videos. ua-cam.com/video/JL3wjY-HYAw/v-deo.html
The next year .308 came out short action w .284 was born .280 went to express I went and built a 6.5x06 it can shoot 156 Norma and the 160 Hornady r n down to 85 gr I shoot a 95 horn v max at 3350 and at 500 yard it drops only 10” w +2 at 100 my 7 mm08 w 110 hp are close but not quite 4” high at 100 zero I like 7 mm the 280 improved would work for most having a Swede and 7 mm this round w 110 should crank 3600 fps and 600 yard yote shots better than wind calc smaller calibers even the 22 250 blows all over the place w 60 s the only other one close would be a .243 70 gr full load 4350 3400
I keep looking at the 280 AI thinking I would like to have one, but then I think it doesn’t out perform a 3006 enough to justify buying one.
Yeah
I think where it does is on long range targets where bc is king.
I'm running a 25" 280ai with 184gr berger @ 2850fps and can reliably ring steel at 2000 yards. This is in a hunting weight rifle. You seldom see anyone be successful at this with 30-06. The BC velocity balance just isn't as good.
@@javitl7382 impressive. Yes the only people I’ve seen do extreme long range with a 3006 is Mark and Sam after work out of Australia.
It’s close to the 30-06 but better with longer ranges and what did it for me was the lighter recoil. And now with a brake, it has about the same recoil as a 243
I want to get a 280ai but I own a 7mm rem mag, 30-06 and a .270 Winchester. Besides Then I have to explain to the wife why I need another rifle. 🤔😂🤣
280AI is more efficient, is that a good reason to get a new rifle?
280 Rem Express is like a 7mm Mauser on steroids' , Remington did not push it enough , 7mm are almost just right for most hunting. unless its in Alaske or Africa
Give it a faster twist rate, add a few more grains of powder and revive it. Chamber in the new 700 and make ammo prices the same as the 270.
270 Weatherby Magnum is the greatest medium to large game at long range with minimum recoil
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The 280 Remington was called 7mm Express Remington, NOT 7mm Remington Express.
My Remington 700 barrel is stamped 7MM EXP REM
Accidentally said it backwards. Thanks for watching!
Hallo.. Why not go and buy a 7 x 64 Brenneke? Available since 1917. Seems to me the developers of the 280 Rem tried to "Americanize" the 7 x 64..
Even harder to find 🤷
Everything about the .280 case and the 30-06 case is the same except for the length of the case neck. All other measurements are the same. Necking a case down is not always a good idea if you want to create ballistic performance.
Nothing wrong with the 280 rem, but it doesn't give me a reason to trade in my 7mm-08 or 30-06:)
Remington wanted the 280 for use in their 760 pump 742 auto. The problem was they jammed in the pump, they got stuck in chamber so Remington loaded the 280 a little lighter (less powder) than the Win 270. This was a big turn off to shooters and the 280 never got the credit it deserved.
I reload for the 280 3000 fps with 140gr fast and flat .
280 was always a hair better than the 30-06 and 270. Low pressure loading for Remington wood master automatic and 7mm Remington Magnum doomed it.
In a bolt action rifle loaded to pressures of a 270 it is probably the best efficient soft skin game cartridge of all time. I always called the 280 the thinking man's rifle cartridge.
I consider myself a thinking man and I shoot 270. Does it matter? Nope. Whatever you can shoot accurately is all that matters. Deer are actually pretty soft and easy to kill. Other big game not so much but how many people really hunt grizzlies? With the increasing scrutiny of firearms and ammunition, I definitely prefer popular calibers (I do not reload.) If the liberals continue to win elections, our rights will continually be eroded and having a common and popular caliber will be increasingly advantageous. Obviously I hope this doesn’t happen. Any caliber is going to have its fans but “better” is hard to prove. Most guys I know that shoot competitively use 308 but that is what they like. I like it as well, but is it “better” than my 270? Maybe, but for most uses, it’s splitting hairs
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@@tomdavis3038 The deer will not know the difference and don't care what you think. I don't own a 280. Load ammo for it though. I do own the 270 and 06. Thinking about if I knew what know now I'd have just the 280 to split the difference. Always good to have military caliber firearms. That is why I have 9mm , 308, and 223 and good old 45acp. They not my favorite hunting rifles and pistol. They for Just In Case something hits the fan. I pray that never happens.
2900 for the 270 seems a bit optimistic.
With a 150 gr? Handloading it's pretty easy to get
@@ReloadingWeatherbyI find the max velocities in most manuals hard to achieve. I don't load the 270 but I'd be very happy with 2900 with a 150 out of my 280 with a 23 inch barrel. And that would be at least a full grain above the max listed by Nosler... Just my experience. maybe I have a slow barrel.
@bneaclab1 If you use the right powders it's not that hard. IMR 7828 SSC is great for velocity. I loaded up a load for my friend and he is getting 2950 FPS. And it's not a hot load
@@ReloadingWeatherby 53 of imr4350 behind a 160 accubond gives me 2800 in my 280. That is 'well' above max and below max listed velocity, or right around it. I've thought about your suggested powder, but I'm happy with my load at the end of the day as it is very accurate.
Don't waste the 7mm accubonds! For some reason Nosler has thrown 7mm bullets "to the dogs"!
Accubonds are hard to come by. Won't be wasting them
The 280 is a good round but its lack of popularity along with the demise of the 264 win mag can be summed up with 3 words. 7MM REMINGTON MAGNUM. Anyone saying the 7mm mag is not the premier 284 is really fooling themselves. The 7mm rem mag like its twin the 7mm weatherby mag are the top of the heap in 7mm.There is the Mashburn magnum, which gives a bit more velocity but with more powder. The Sharp &Hart and the Achley Improved but all require more expensive brass which can be hard to come by. The Remington is about as perfect a balance IMO as one can get in 284. The 28 Nosler is just stupid with a box of 20 unfired brass going for around 3 bucks a case and that's IF YOU CAN FIND. IT.
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