@@illfaptothis333 it's weird. Out of the 100's of NRA events I've attended, I never see anyone getting killed. I believe you have a highly over active imagination, not to mention prejudice views.
I’m glad to see someone finally standardized a 6 mm A.R. Wildcat variant cartridge. I have seen people have great results with the 6 mm A.R. and other 6 mm Grendel Wildcats. They should perform a lot better than the 224 Valkyrie.
6mm PPC? The base cartridge from which the 6.5 Grendel was derived. Developed from the .22 PPC, which was itself a lift from the early 1960s Russian 5.6 x 39, a "Running Boar' competition round from the early 1960's, and which was a necked-down 7.62 x 39. The 6mm PPC ruled the roost in a couple of bench rest disciplines for quite a while and it makes a nice field cartridge in a suitably light rifle.
I've been shooting 308 and 243 for a lot of years. I have a 5.56 or so also. That 243 covers about everything actually in my area. 400 yards with a good 100 grain bullet and a whitetail is down with not a lot of the grocery part destroyed. 53gr. to 100 + bullet weight selection and it's in your local gun shop. 308 is about the same with 110gr to 200 +. 5.56 is a 22 caliber. Really not much more to say other than a good varmint round. The military had several good choices over the years. They're just understanding what folk's here and over sea's with 243, 6mm, 6.5mm and 7mm actually have known for years.
I like the concept of the "6mm Optimum" this round seems like an attempt to standardize a 6mm optimum inspired round. I find this to be a very good thing.
I hope this round gets popular enough so that more companies will produce magazines, hopefully with design improvements. I'm definitely interested! If Wolf starts making this in steel case I think the market will grow well beyond just the precision crowd.
I think only the Gen 1 Grendel bolts were known for breaking because they were the .125 faced 7.62x39 bolts. Gen II introduced the .136 face that was stronger and is now the standard. I'm guessing it might still be able to handle 6mm ARC loads that are in spec
I went to our local outdoor stores during the lock down and after a week you could not find any 5.56 any more but everyone still had plenty of 6.5 grendel, 6.5 creedmore and a ton of other calibers that can be used in either ar-15 or ar-10. I think this great for no other reason than the flexibility of choice in an emergency.
@@convenienceisa4letterword320 My question exactly. Will it out shoots the 6 ppc. I'm a tad skeptical of the latest, greatest cartridges and the lofty claims that surround them.
I built an 18 incher to start with and it's REALLY impressed me over the past 4 months. I'm building *2* more now: another AR around a 22" Shaw barrel as well as rebuilding an older Rem 7 SS for a bolt-rifle. PTG makes replacement bolts for ~$200 since the 6ARC uses a PPC-based case. Planning to build it around a 26" Proof carbon wrapped barrel for a lightweight hunting rig. Tons of components for reloading on hand. It's an awesome do-it-all caliber. I'm leaving the barrel burners like 6Creed behind for this. ALL-IN!
I really hope the Military picks something Between the 556 and the 308 soon. There are so many great choices out there now, that fit the AR-15 platform.
there is NO ONE RING TO RULE THEM ALL! stick with tried true platforms and just mix n match and improve what you got. we dont need to spend billions on last generation warfare. those billions need to go into 4th gen warfare concepts , strategies and hardware/software.
“It’s great, it’s the most flexible, it’s the highest performing, it out performs.” Why lol? Zero info, all I gathered was that it’s great and trust us lol.
Then Hornady replied - basically, "we know, but here's a link with more advertising hype, but still shy on facts." Their cahrt of velocity over distance doesn't begin until 500 yds for some reason. How many are shooting an AR at more than 500 yds? Not many. Hornady wrote in the link that the ARC has more mag capacity than an AR-10, but the brass sure looks like about the same diameter as the .308. The brass is shorter than 5.56 brass, but the COAL is longer. And - Hornady brags that you can spot your holes better than in a .224 Valkyrie. Hhahaha. Yepper, the difference of an extra 2/100ths of an inch, at 100 yds sure will make the ARC really visible, where the Valkyrie is not. Forget about the fact that the Vallkyrie probably is head and shoulders above the ARC in ballistic performance. And how is this better than the 6.0 Creeeeeedmoor? Or the .243 Win, for that matter? Or the 6 PPC? OK, they might need the AR-10 platform, but I bet you could modify the AR-15, and since their goal was a gov't contract, that would be reasonable to get even more performance than the ARC. They are really struggling to hype a new product, but only with hype. I guess I get tired of "newer, cooler, better" for lots of the new cartridges that are barely different from what is already available. For hunters, with a .25-06 and a .30-06 (or pick another reasonable pair), you can take anything in North America.
@@worsel2113 Wow. Watch the videos or do some research before commenting. The 6 ARC is basically the wildcat 6AR/6Predator that is now saami spec. If you do a little research, you'll find out that the DOD came to Hornady and asked for this cartridge. It's a cartridge for the M16/AR15 platform because that's what the military already has. They wanted an improvement over the current 5.56. What they have with the 6 ARC is a cartridge that's capable of shooting from zero to 1000 yards and have lethal energy. The 105 FMJ bullet has twice the energy and twice the range of the 5.56. At longer distances it has better accuracy and energy than the 7.62x51 that the military currently uses. It also has less recoil, so the shooter can easily spot their own shots. If you were ever in the military, you know that weight is huge. They've shown that the M16 in 6ARC is 30% lighter than an AR10 in 308/6.5cm. Now all the military has to do is swap barrels and bolts. It saves money.
Hype. last thing we needed was another cartridge. How about coming up with a smokeless powder thst gives an extra 1,000 fps, is more stable in temp variances.
@@worsel2113 you seem to be missing the point. This is an attempt to maximize what you can do out of an ar15 platform. Can't legally hunt medium-sized game with any of the.224 cartridges. 6.5 Grendel and any of the larger calibers are too slow to be effective at range. 6mm is sweet spot. Rest of it has to do with optimizing case dimensions for accuracy, mag feeding and other considerations. .224 valkerie is a terrible cartridges. Nobody can consistently get the heavies to shoot well. Without being able to shoot heavy for caliber bullets, it's just an anemic 22 nosler.
Accumulating the hardware now! Faxon 20 inch barrel, SanTan Tac. BCG on the way! Can't wait to get everything and get on the range. This will be my LR Varmint toy plus!
To: Hornady, Thank you for restraining from cursing in your official product announcement ( kick butt vs the alternative). I and many other people do cuss in daily life, however it still isn’t appropriate for a public company to do so when addressing the public/their customers. Thank you.
22 ARC next? 22-250 is my favorite coyote cartridge, but the cartridge design taper doesn’t work right in AR platform. Quick follow up shots on coyotes or multiple coyotes is desired, and a 22 ARC may fit the 22 longer range shots on coyotes.
What??? Where are the million plus subscribers??? This is freaking HORNADY we are talking about, here Seeiously!! I want to understand how and why this channel is not blowing up with viewers!
I have been shooting the 6mm 22-250 for 16 years. Easy shooting and shoots everything from 65 Vmax to 115 Tubb. The ARC is a little slower than the 6/250 but still a very effective combination in the AR platform. I was thinking in the CZ 557 this would be better than the 7.62x39 or the 6.5 Grendel. Same can be said with the mini-Howa action. I have a 6.5 Creedmoor and a heavy bullet 22-250. They all are excellent but the 6/250 is my favorite, a great all around setup. I tend to shoot the 6/250 more than the others. For the AR and the short mini bolt actions this can be interesting.
No the Russians been invented this long ago the 6mm arc is basically a 5.6x39 www.google.com/amp/s/www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/01/10/5-45x39-small-but-perfect-a-history-of-development/amp/
I would love to see more on the testing of the 6.5 Grendel and where it fell short. I understand the lack of velocity. So I am not interested in trying to defend the Grendel or ARC - just your testing and how the Grendel fell out.
Larger case capacity, shorter neck. Slightly more accurate and slightly more powerful, capable of firing almost any weight bullet where the 6mm ppc is slightly limited in that regard. And of course the SAAMI spec, that stuff is really important for consistent accuracy if you don't want to get into handloading every round.
@@PwntifexMaximus Lmao! More accurate than the PPC? You are way off. 6ppc is the most proven and accurate cartridge in the world. Just because it doesn't have the SAMMI BS doesn't mean it is less accurate.
@@dragonflyfab8982 I agree as typically I am not shooting targets behind barriers and at distances beyond typical AR ranges and when I did while in the military, there were other more than suitable tools to do that sort of thing with!
RCMP may have to add this to Canada’s FRT as an prohibited cartridge. It was designed for military use so has no use in civilian hands. Scary days for legal firearm owners in the Great White North.
This might be my next rifles, so I will be interested in the performance. Brass will be important along with the other components associated with the ARC.
This is cool but now I have to get a new rifle. Is it true the the greater the neck down the more wear on the barrel? Just asking what the difference in amount of rounds from a regular AR15 vs ARC before replacing the barrel.
What about 25-45 sharps. Where did that project go to? So many cartridges already out what's the difference between 6 arc and 6 creed or 6 rem or even 5.45×39. So many great catridges out there. Why not make more affordable 416s or 50s?
I like the cartridge, I shoot a Grendel AR for coyotes and pigs. I was thinking I might build a bolt gun as well as a AR in this cartridge. I was wondering about a powder that wasn't affected by temperature extremes.
I feel like 6mm arc, if produced in mass production settings, could replace 5.56x45 once and for all because it just does more and does some things better than several other cartridges out there. It just needs to be made available as 5.56 in order to eliminate 5.56 as the gold standard of calibers for the AR rifle. It's an effective combat capable cartridge, is lightweight enough to carry a 24 or possibly 30 round magazine and has the performance so many have been looking for. I've seen guys dropping coyotes at over 500 yards with this caliber and I mean dropping them in their tracks. Will 5.56 always be around? Yes it will, has been for almost 60 years. Is 6mm arc the new and 10x better 5.56? I believe so simply based upon the numbers and personal experience in the field having seen it work.
What's the shoulder angle on this round? 30 degrees or is it improved like the 40 AR turbo? What is the H20 capacity? Can I neck down 6.5 Grendel to make ammo that will run in this chambering?
Looks great. Round came to market in June 2020 and at the end of October 2020, I'm still looking for a bolt action rifle chambered in 6mm ARC. Any suggestions ???
I was liberally starting my build cart for a 6.5 grendle after researching and realizing 6.8 doesn't have as many option yet. Despite the Army planning on adopting it. saw this and looks like I'll have to wait for the products I want out for a build
The army is not adopting the 6.8SPC....the 6.8 they are going with is an entirely different critter. Can you image the army with a 6.8 SPC round and the general public can out shoot them with a basic 6.5 grendel...that would be hilarious, but maybe typical of the Army
@@nathanhudelson4935 bought 100 factory rounds of 300 prc, 10 % primer pockets were loose after those were fired. lost 50% after second firing. mild load as well 76.7 h1k at 2833 with 225 eldm
I've been looking to branch out from 223, but brass life is important to me. If I can only get a few firings per case, it's not going to work for me. It sounds good and I love Hornady products, but I'm going to wait for independent reviews after the Valkyrie fiasco.
Is this any different than the 6mmX1.5 (inch case)? Looks like a 30-06 case shortened, less taper, steep shoulder, hopefully small rifle (magnum) primer.
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Looking at this new cartridge...what does it do that the 6x45 I have been using in my AR for over 30 years not do...other than shoot a bit heavier bullet at about 100 more fps?
That it gives regular people like me a factory off the shelf box of ammo I can just buy? Sounds like the 6x45 works great for you, but doesn't sound like it would work for slightly less well off or cool people like me
I’d love to crunch the numbers but y’all talked forever and said nothing. Velocities? Weights? Bullet types? You took a 200lb buck at how far with it? I love Hornady but seriously say something worthwhile
I love it however, as a retired vet, I want & need a cartridge that is nominally inexpensive to practice with. Contrary to popular myth, the 5.56 did & does its intended job very well & fits within the fiscal cost parameters well. The 7.62 was & is still my round of choice for a heavy AR. I also have great respect for the 7.62x39 in a proper & quality platform such as the Galil ACE. If this cartridge gets beyond fad stage & becomes a DoD or NATO staple, I may take a serious look. I will & am watching with peaked interest.
This looks interesting, but why not Grendel? I read the spec sheet and it compares favorably against 5.56 and it has achieved its goal of being better. But Grendel is already here and Grendel does almost the same thing.
Looks good, but it will do nothing against lvl 3+ or even lvl3 past 100m like almost all cardrigdes in Service for AR type stuff unless Tungsten is being used, maybe with 3000+ fps would doo?
Hopefully we can get Dasher like performance in an ar15 platform. The Valkyrie flopped because not very many people could get the heavy 90's to shoot worth a damn, and the factory ammo just never performed.
I get why the 5.56 necked up to 7mm would be redundant. It's maybe too much like the 300 Blackout, but I'd still like too see it. Good bullet selection, better sectional density with same velocities. Maybe higher velocities too.
Have to wait and see if this round catches on. I like the idea of the 6.5 Grendel. But it hasn't caught on as well as the 300 Blackout which is an entirely different type of cartridge - not a long range round. I'm waiting to see how the Army's 6.8 round turns out and if it's available to civilians.
I'll tell u buy 6.5grendel. It's made in bolt actions and ak47 rifles. Russia. Italy. Serbia make ammo for it. Wolf is 5$ a box. And it's been around for 20years. Its more popular today than ever. Ruger howa and cz make bolt actions for it. And many ak and ar15s chamber it. 6arc will be a niche USA hornady only cartridge with no cheap ammo.
I reinvented the wheel. It's a little rounder, a bit shinier, but still rolls like all previous wheels. Buy my newly reinvented wheel today and you can save 50% off the price jacking I'm going to mark up at wholesale.
I like it when companies comes out with a new round but hate it when they dn't back it and/or push it. Like the 224 Valkyria, 300 PRC, 300, 350 Legend and etc
Another thing That hasn't caught on is the 7.62x39 necked down to 7mm. If someone made it then we could get actual SAMMI specs. I think it might make a good mid range deer cartridge but there's cartridges that already do the same. 280 Brit was ahead of the game.
ill wait 3 years to see how many people say it sucks.. i had high hopes for the 224 and that was a flop. glad i didnt pull the trigger and build one. love the grendel thou. works for me.. i hope this ARC is as good or better
6mm AR, aka 6mm Grendel, has been a really good wildcat for a long while. This seems to be just a factory optimized and SAAMI specced version so I have more hope. .224 Valk never got me interested because 6.8 SPC is hot garbage.
Just after I bought a new ar-15 with a .223 Wylde chamber :( When ammo or at least the brass becomes more available and affordable I will certainly look into this cartridge. I can get .223/5.56 and .308/7.62 anywhere except Walmart but I'm permanently boycotting them SOB's anyway, I think it will be a while until this gains that degree of popularity but I at least want to see it available in the gun shops and hardware store near me before getting one. I have a good feeling about this cartridge from everything I've seen so far.
@@MF-Rell They are continually selling goods and making more money off that, it is millions of customers that are maintaining and growing their fortune by purchasing goods from their stores. Those millions of customers are only one customer each but add up to many millions, if they lose enough individual customers it will hurt their bottom line. They absolutely do care about retaining customers not because they love their customers but they love their profits that can only come if the customers keep coming.
@@phillhuddleston9445 Walmart isn't losing anything. You're being unrealistic. Are you mad bc you can't open carry in Walmart? You shouldn't want to anyway. Is someone was coming to do harm in a store the first person there going to shoot is the one who open carries.
@@MF-Rell No I don't care about open carrying in Walmart, What pissed me off is when the CEO of Walmart wrote a letter to the president of the united states on behalf of Walmart asking him to support and sign several unconstitutional bills such as an "assault weapons" ban, red flag laws and background checks on all firearms transfers that would create a national gun registry. Since then they have supported the Marxist BLM group pledging many millions of dollars to be donated to them and their affiliates and have pledged to hire and support more minorities which can only be done by discriminating against people who are the majority (white people).
@@phillhuddleston9445 you mad about that? Don't you still own yours? Do you really think they're going to take them or are you drinking Trump's Kool aid? People can have different opinions... Some of the anti him people arguments make sense but do I believe everything they say? No!! Handguns are used more in crimes that carbines. You know the second amendment so therefore they can't lawfully take our guns. You're an overly anyways emotional person that knows the constitution but would rather start an argument instead of comprehending that they won't take anything away from us. The US government would crush us in a civil War, remember that.
Number 1 rule to introduceing a new caliber thats actually worth it, supply the ammo readily available first at an affordable price for it's purpose, then let the public judge if it's worth it
hm. as much as i don't buy into the hype, i do have to admit: just like with the grendel, those trajectories from just 52kpsi and limited case capacity are rather nice.
@@killerfungis there is a large difference between a wildcat and a factory produced SAAMI cartidge. I've been a fan of 6mm AR for years but the huge jump in availability has me hypef.
![6.5 Grendel vs. 6mm ARC vs. .224 Valkyrie [Which is Best?]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/HDcUEGB3aO8/mqdefault.jpg)
This is a really impressive ad. It's got the visuals, the talking points, and everything, all bathed in a background of triumphant music.
Nice try corporate puppet account
yep, and its all about killing people. #DEFUNDNRA
@@illfaptothis333 it's weird. Out of the 100's of NRA events I've attended, I never see anyone getting killed. I believe you have a highly over active imagination, not to mention prejudice views.
I've been running an 18" 243 LBC for about 2 years. It's a real soft shooter for its range. The market is going to like this!
I’m glad to see someone finally standardized a 6 mm A.R. Wildcat variant cartridge. I have seen people have great results with the 6 mm A.R. and other 6 mm Grendel Wildcats. They should perform a lot better than the 224 Valkyrie.
My 224 Valk performs superb
@@padkisson26
Glad to hear it. Unfortunately, that is not universal.
6mm PPC? The base cartridge from which the 6.5 Grendel was derived.
Developed from the .22 PPC, which was itself a lift from the early 1960s Russian 5.6 x 39, a "Running Boar' competition round from the early 1960's, and which was a necked-down 7.62 x 39.
The 6mm PPC ruled the roost in a couple of bench rest disciplines for quite a while and it makes a nice field cartridge in a suitably light rifle.
I like it. I used to have a .243 Remington 700 Varminter. It shot beautifully. Accurate and low recoil. This 6mm arc looks to be an improved version
And mag fed semi auto
When it’s the same price per round as 5.56 let me know , otherwise I’ll stay with 308.
Abso-friggin-lutely...
Same. I can barely afford M80 ball and a few boxes of match ammo as is.
I've been shooting 308 and 243 for a lot of years. I have a 5.56 or so also. That 243 covers about everything actually in my area. 400 yards with a good 100 grain bullet and a whitetail is down with not a lot of the grocery part destroyed. 53gr. to 100 + bullet weight selection and it's in your local gun shop. 308 is about the same with 110gr to 200 +. 5.56 is a 22 caliber. Really not much more to say other than a good varmint round. The military had several good choices over the years. They're just understanding what folk's here and over sea's with 243, 6mm, 6.5mm and 7mm actually have known for years.
I like the concept of the "6mm Optimum" this round seems like an attempt to standardize a 6mm optimum inspired round.
I find this to be a very good thing.
I hope this round gets popular enough so that more companies will produce magazines, hopefully with design improvements. I'm definitely interested! If Wolf starts making this in steel case I think the market will grow well beyond just the precision crowd.
Curious to see how many grendel bolts will break once people start loading these hot.
I think only the Gen 1 Grendel bolts were known for breaking because they were the .125 faced 7.62x39 bolts. Gen II introduced the .136 face that was stronger and is now the standard. I'm guessing it might still be able to handle 6mm ARC loads that are in spec
" Hey, Jim, give me a box of 6mm ARC."
" 6mm what?!"
" Nevermind. You got some 55-grain 5.56?"
" Of course."
Maybe Jim says,
" yeah how many boxes you want?..
" How much it is?
" 80$ a box of 20 rounds
" 🤯
@@jmrtn7288 Yups, lol.
"It's not worth it Honey! Just keep hiding behind the bed and let them take the TV."
I went to our local outdoor stores during the lock down and after a week you could not find any 5.56 any more but everyone still had plenty of 6.5 grendel, 6.5 creedmore and a ton of other calibers that can be used in either ar-15 or ar-10. I think this great for no other reason than the flexibility of choice in an emergency.
@@Bshwag Lemme know when that availability happens.
Lmao my thought exactly!
I heard it was a shark with a frickin laser beam on its frickin head.
This didn't go well in testing so you won't see us releasing it any time soon. I am surprised word got out about that product.
@@hornady I think you should release them. Just require buyers to sign a release waiver ;^D
@@hornady can you further explain on your comment?
Laser sharks
@@GC-Jo It was Sarcasm to reply to a comment. Of course there are no sharks with laser beams.
Id love a 22lr ballistic tip factory ammo like the TAP 223 Vmax
Good stuff.
Yea, id buy it for,sure
I have put a 6mm AR build on hold just for this. Glad to see it’s here.
Why? case length will work if your Grendel based
when will this "i just want to change uppers' madness end ?
Finally a 6mm for Ar-15 with factory ammo!
so basically it's a 243 win made to fit in a ar 15
Literally, just necked down a bit!
Kinda. same bullet but nowhere near the velocity. But it will be a extremely efficient 6 mm cartridge for the AR platform.
I don't see anything wrong with that. Getting 243 perfomance without going to AR10 platform seems legit.
Winchester did this in the early 2000s, it's called the 243WSSM and its awesome
Almost
It’s gonna probably be the 6mmARC It’s based off the Grendel but with a 6mm bullet also probably be there 105gr ELD M
...that has already been stated by hornady
So it's basically a PPC......
Did you not watch the video? 😂
His statement was made here a few hours before the video released.
@@convenienceisa4letterword320 My question exactly. Will it out shoots the 6 ppc. I'm a tad skeptical of the latest, greatest cartridges and the lofty claims that surround them.
I built an 18 incher to start with and it's REALLY impressed me over the past 4 months. I'm building *2* more now: another AR around a 22" Shaw barrel as well as rebuilding an older Rem 7 SS for a bolt-rifle. PTG makes replacement bolts for ~$200 since the 6ARC uses a PPC-based case. Planning to build it around a 26" Proof carbon wrapped barrel for a lightweight hunting rig. Tons of components for reloading on hand. It's an awesome do-it-all caliber. I'm leaving the barrel burners like 6Creed behind for this. ALL-IN!
I really hope the Military picks something Between the 556 and the 308 soon. There are so many great choices out there now, that fit the AR-15 platform.
Could of swore I had a “reliable” source tell me while ago that the SIG’s .277 is the army’s new gun.
there is NO ONE RING TO RULE THEM ALL! stick with tried true platforms and just mix n match and improve what you got. we dont need to spend billions on last generation warfare.
those billions need to go into 4th gen warfare concepts , strategies and hardware/software.
@@dylanbob3909 Turns out that source was pretty reliable huh?
They brought us the creedmoor and it is the real deal and Alexander made the Grendel and it is sweet too so the arc will probably catch on too
“It’s great, it’s the most flexible, it’s the highest performing, it out performs.” Why lol? Zero info, all I gathered was that it’s great and trust us lol.
www.hornady.com/6mmARC#!/
Then Hornady replied - basically, "we know, but here's a link with more advertising hype, but still shy on facts." Their cahrt of velocity over distance doesn't begin until 500 yds for some reason. How many are shooting an AR at more than 500 yds? Not many. Hornady wrote in the link that the ARC has more mag capacity than an AR-10, but the brass sure looks like about the same diameter as the .308. The brass is shorter than 5.56 brass, but the COAL is longer. And - Hornady brags that you can spot your holes better than in a .224 Valkyrie. Hhahaha. Yepper, the difference of an extra 2/100ths of an inch, at 100 yds sure will make the ARC really visible, where the Valkyrie is not. Forget about the fact that the Vallkyrie probably is head and shoulders above the ARC in ballistic performance. And how is this better than the 6.0 Creeeeeedmoor? Or the .243 Win, for that matter? Or the 6 PPC? OK, they might need the AR-10 platform, but I bet you could modify the AR-15, and since their goal was a gov't contract, that would be reasonable to get even more performance than the ARC. They are really struggling to hype a new product, but only with hype. I guess I get tired of "newer, cooler, better" for lots of the new cartridges that are barely different from what is already available. For hunters, with a .25-06 and a .30-06 (or pick another reasonable pair), you can take anything in North America.
@@worsel2113 Wow. Watch the videos or do some research before commenting. The 6 ARC is basically the wildcat 6AR/6Predator that is now saami spec. If you do a little research, you'll find out that the DOD came to Hornady and asked for this cartridge. It's a cartridge for the M16/AR15 platform because that's what the military already has. They wanted an improvement over the current 5.56. What they have with the 6 ARC is a cartridge that's capable of shooting from zero to 1000 yards and have lethal energy. The 105 FMJ bullet has twice the energy and twice the range of the 5.56. At longer distances it has better accuracy and energy than the 7.62x51 that the military currently uses. It also has less recoil, so the shooter can easily spot their own shots.
If you were ever in the military, you know that weight is huge. They've shown that the M16 in 6ARC is 30% lighter than an AR10 in 308/6.5cm. Now all the military has to do is swap barrels and bolts. It saves money.
Hype. last thing we needed was another cartridge. How about coming up with a smokeless powder thst gives an extra 1,000 fps, is more stable in temp variances.
@@worsel2113 you seem to be missing the point. This is an attempt to maximize what you can do out of an ar15 platform. Can't legally hunt medium-sized game with any of the.224 cartridges. 6.5 Grendel and any of the larger calibers are too slow to be effective at range. 6mm is sweet spot. Rest of it has to do with optimizing case dimensions for accuracy, mag feeding and other considerations. .224 valkerie is a terrible cartridges. Nobody can consistently get the heavies to shoot well. Without being able to shoot heavy for caliber bullets, it's just an anemic 22 nosler.
I was really hoping it was 450 bushmaster necked down to 6mm 😞
Matthew Smith 🤔😂🤣😂🤣
now that'd be a combo......great idea!!!
They tried that but the bullet just burst into flames as soon as it left the barrel.
120mm necked down to shoot a .177 airgun pellet
Accumulating the hardware now! Faxon 20 inch barrel, SanTan Tac. BCG on the way! Can't wait to get everything and get on the range. This will be my LR Varmint toy plus!
Well done!!! This is perfect in so many ways! I've got to put together a Sako L461 for this one!
I love the .223/5.56,it gets the job done,very accurate it works for me.
To: Hornady, Thank you for restraining from cursing in your official product announcement ( kick butt vs the alternative). I and many other people do cuss in daily life, however it still isn’t appropriate for a public company to do so when addressing the public/their customers. Thank you.
Finally a 6mm AR factory option!!!
How does it work in shorter barrels like 16-18" or even 10.5"
Will splash on Body Armor and ruin the paint on it
22 ARC next? 22-250 is my favorite coyote cartridge, but the cartridge design taper doesn’t work right in AR platform. Quick follow up shots on coyotes or multiple coyotes is desired, and a 22 ARC may fit the 22 longer range shots on coyotes.
What??? Where are the million plus subscribers??? This is freaking HORNADY we are talking about, here Seeiously!! I want to understand how and why this channel is not blowing up with viewers!
I have been shooting the 6mm 22-250 for 16 years. Easy shooting and shoots everything from 65 Vmax to 115 Tubb. The ARC is a little slower than the 6/250 but still a very effective combination in the AR platform. I was thinking in the CZ 557 this would be better than the 7.62x39 or the 6.5 Grendel. Same can be said with the mini-Howa action. I have a 6.5 Creedmoor and a heavy bullet 22-250. They all are excellent but the 6/250 is my favorite, a great all around setup. I tend to shoot the 6/250 more than the others. For the AR and the short mini bolt actions this can be interesting.
well.... 7.62x39 is basically the same as 30-30.....
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so id hope something that is trying to get close to 308 (but MUCH flatter) should beat x39
Hornady really worked their ass off on this one. Just go to Camp Perry and see what wildcat is winning the matches and copy it.
6.5 grendel make over, just necked down to 6 mil
No the Russians been invented this long ago the 6mm arc is basically a 5.6x39 www.google.com/amp/s/www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/01/10/5-45x39-small-but-perfect-a-history-of-development/amp/
They saw what happened with the .224 V.
I would love to see more on the testing of the 6.5 Grendel and where it fell short. I understand the lack of velocity. So I am not interested in trying to defend the Grendel or ARC - just your testing and how the Grendel fell out.
6.5grendel is better for most shooters. Bigger heavier larger dia bullets. And cheaper foreign ammo.
The 204 Ruger will always be my favorite coyote round!
Amen
@@frankschneider5566 24gr NTX @ 4,500 ft/s (1,079 ft-lbs)🔥🔥🔥
For years I have pondered why the 6.5 Grendal wasn't a 6 Grendal. Now we can launch a 105gr. bullet much faster 🤘
GrendAl ???😂😂😂
Did you ever hear of a 243 win. 6172.2 MM It will be so close it wont be funny.
Grendel is still the better cartridge in my opinion. Its way more popular. And cheap ammo is available for grendel unlike 6arc.
Generally speaking I love Hornady ammo... And I'll try anything once :)
My wife said the same thing and now we have been married 27 years now.
the 6.5 grendel is based off the 6mm PPC. so how is this not the 6mm PPC with a differant name?
It is. The main thing is this is similarly optimized for ARs like Grendel. This is also SAAMI spec which is new for 6PPC
Larger case capacity, shorter neck. Slightly more accurate and slightly more powerful, capable of firing almost any weight bullet where the 6mm ppc is slightly limited in that regard. And of course the SAAMI spec, that stuff is really important for consistent accuracy if you don't want to get into handloading every round.
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Lmao! More accurate than the PPC? You are way off. 6ppc is the most proven and accurate cartridge in the world. Just because it doesn't have the SAMMI BS doesn't mean it is less accurate.
Selected by the military doesn't mean squat in the private sector.
@@dragonflyfab8982 I agree as typically I am not shooting targets behind barriers and at distances beyond typical AR ranges and when I did while in the military, there were other more than suitable tools to do that sort of thing with!
RCMP may have to add this to Canada’s FRT as an prohibited cartridge. It was designed for military use so has no use in civilian hands. Scary days for legal firearm owners in the Great White North.
This might be my next rifles, so I will be interested in the performance. Brass will be important along with the other components associated with the ARC.
This is cool but now I have to get a new rifle. Is it true the the greater the neck down the more wear on the barrel? Just asking what the difference in amount of rounds from a regular AR15 vs ARC before replacing the barrel.
Just checked the Velocity, this thing is around 2750fps with 24" 100-110gr, so how much is that with 18" 2600fps max?
What about 25-45 sharps. Where did that project go to? So many cartridges already out what's the difference between 6 arc and 6 creed or 6 rem or even 5.45×39. So many great catridges out there. Why not make more affordable 416s or 50s?
I like the cartridge, I shoot a Grendel AR for coyotes and pigs. I was thinking I might build a bolt gun as well as a AR in this cartridge. I was wondering about a powder that wasn't affected by temperature extremes.
I feel like 6mm arc, if produced in mass production settings, could replace 5.56x45 once and for all because it just does more and does some things better than several other cartridges out there. It just needs to be made available as 5.56 in order to eliminate 5.56 as the gold standard of calibers for the AR rifle. It's an effective combat capable cartridge, is lightweight enough to carry a 24 or possibly 30 round magazine and has the performance so many have been looking for. I've seen guys dropping coyotes at over 500 yards with this caliber and I mean dropping them in their tracks. Will 5.56 always be around? Yes it will, has been for almost 60 years. Is 6mm arc the new and 10x better 5.56? I believe so simply based upon the numbers and personal experience in the field having seen it work.
What's the shoulder angle on this round? 30 degrees or is it improved like the 40 AR turbo? What is the H20 capacity? Can I neck down 6.5 Grendel to make ammo that will run in this chambering?
Looks great. Round came to market in June 2020 and at the end of October 2020, I'm still looking for a bolt action rifle chambered in 6mm ARC. Any suggestions ???
Looks like a barrel burner. For us frugal folk what is the expected barrel life using this round?
I was liberally starting my build cart for a 6.5 grendle after researching and realizing 6.8 doesn't have as many option yet. Despite the Army planning on adopting it. saw this and looks like I'll have to wait for the products I want out for a build
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The army is not adopting the 6.8SPC....the 6.8 they are going with is an entirely different critter. Can you image the army with a 6.8 SPC round and the general public can out shoot them with a basic 6.5 grendel...that would be hilarious, but maybe typical of the Army
Never trust the government even when you see the money , look how they and Remington fucked up the 6.8SPC !
@@killerfungis ....6.8x51, not the SPC
waiting to buy a new upper...
what loading is DOD buying...what bullet...what velocity in their 16" carbines...what is the terminal ballistics at range...
So a modern version of the 7.92x41mm CETME Cartridge, cool stuff.
these cartridges are cool but when your lucky to get one shot out of factory brass its a no go for me, your brass in the prc sucks
Adrenalinejunkey really, I’ve had good luck with 6.5 prc brass so far some loaded 4-5 times. What issues you having.
LAPUA or nothing...
@@nathanhudelson4935 bought 100 factory rounds of 300 prc, 10 % primer pockets were loose after those were fired. lost 50% after second firing. mild load as well 76.7 h1k at 2833 with 225 eldm
@@Sheepdog419 they dont make 300 prc had to switch to adg
@@Adrenalinejunkey Hence, why I don't own a PRC. Lapua does make 300 Norma, however 😁
What bullet weight is the military running? Is it the 105 BTHP that's in the black ammo line?
How does the cartridge compare to my 6mm Norma Bench Rest. It looks very similar case style
What muzzle velocities are we looking at for this cartridge?
I've been looking to branch out from 223, but brass life is important to me. If I can only get a few firings per case, it's not going to work for me. It sounds good and I love Hornady products, but I'm going to wait for independent reviews after the Valkyrie fiasco.
looking forward to the 8.6 guys, please don't forget about that... we've been waiting patiently for a couple years.
How is this compared to 224 Valkyrie for long range precision gas guns? Looks like the BC is very close
Is this any different than the 6mmX1.5 (inch case)? Looks like a 30-06 case shortened, less taper, steep shoulder, hopefully small rifle (magnum) primer.
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Looking at this new cartridge...what does it do that the 6x45 I have been using in my AR for over 30 years not do...other than shoot a bit heavier bullet at about 100 more fps?
That it gives regular people like me a factory off the shelf box of ammo I can just buy? Sounds like the 6x45 works great for you, but doesn't sound like it would work for slightly less well off or cool people like me
I’d love to crunch the numbers but y’all talked forever and said nothing. Velocities? Weights? Bullet types? You took a 200lb buck at how far with it?
I love Hornady but seriously say something worthwhile
they are just copying what someone else perfected- so how would they know?
I love it however, as a retired vet, I want & need a cartridge that is nominally inexpensive to practice with. Contrary to popular myth, the 5.56 did & does its intended job very well & fits within the fiscal cost parameters well. The 7.62 was & is still my round of choice for a heavy AR. I also have great respect for the 7.62x39 in a proper & quality platform such as the Galil ACE. If this cartridge gets beyond fad stage & becomes a DoD or NATO staple, I may take a serious look. I will & am watching with peaked interest.
CMMG says it's 10+ weeks until they get barrels out. It might be here in time for hunting season...
Does it consume it's powder load within a 14.5" barrel and a 100 grain plus bullet
What's Wrong With The 6mm Remington Or The .243 Winchester That Came Out 65 Years Ago . . .
This looks interesting, but why not Grendel? I read the spec sheet and it compares favorably against 5.56 and it has achieved its goal of being better. But Grendel is already here and Grendel does almost the same thing.
The bottom of the case is belted like a magnum shell. Is it a belted magnum?
6mm Arc built for the AR platform, that B!den will buy back.
We the people are concerned about our application.
Brilliant.
Can you also use this round in a full auto rifle or a specially ammo-converted MG?
Looks good, but it will do nothing against lvl 3+ or even lvl3 past 100m like almost all cardrigdes in Service for AR type stuff unless Tungsten is being used, maybe with 3000+ fps would doo?
Hopefully we can get Dasher like performance in an ar15 platform. The Valkyrie flopped because not very many people could get the heavy 90's to shoot worth a damn, and the factory ammo just never performed.
I’m looking forward to the 6mm, me and my cousin have been discussing 5.56 alternatives for years
I get why the 5.56 necked up to 7mm would be redundant. It's maybe too much like the 300 Blackout, but I'd still like too see it. Good bullet selection, better sectional density with same velocities. Maybe higher velocities too.
I’m confused... so does this fit inside of a typical 5.56 AR-15 ? Probably a dumb question.
what length barrel and twist do you recommend is optimal for the 108 match ammo for gas gun. thanks
This is finally starting to catch on.
Have to wait and see if this round catches on.
I like the idea of the 6.5 Grendel. But it hasn't caught on as well as the
300 Blackout which is an entirely different type of cartridge - not a long range round.
I'm waiting to see how the Army's 6.8 round turns out and if it's available to civilians.
I'll tell u buy 6.5grendel. It's made in bolt actions and ak47 rifles. Russia. Italy. Serbia make ammo for it. Wolf is 5$ a box. And it's been around for 20years. Its more popular today than ever. Ruger howa and cz make bolt actions for it. And many ak and ar15s chamber it. 6arc will be a niche USA hornady only cartridge with no cheap ammo.
I reinvented the wheel. It's a little rounder, a bit shinier, but still rolls like all previous wheels. Buy my newly reinvented wheel today and you can save 50% off the price jacking I'm going to mark up at wholesale.
Looks like a winner for its stated purposes!
hornady is the Ferrari of ammo.
I like it when companies comes out with a new round but hate it when they dn't back it and/or push it. Like the 224 Valkyria, 300 PRC, 300, 350 Legend and etc
Please enlighten me. How is this any different than the 6mm PPC? What did you folks do, copy it and claim it as your own?
Can the 6 mm Arc fit in a AR-15 Sport that shoots the 556/223 round
Another thing That hasn't caught on is the 7.62x39 necked down to 7mm. If someone made it then we could get actual SAMMI specs.
I think it might make a good mid range deer cartridge but there's cartridges that already do the same.
280 Brit was ahead of the game.
284 Winchester
ill wait 3 years to see how many people say it sucks.. i had high hopes for the 224 and that was a flop. glad i didnt pull the trigger and build one. love the grendel thou. works for me.. i hope this ARC is as good or better
6mm AR, aka 6mm Grendel, has been a really good wildcat for a long while. This seems to be just a factory optimized and SAAMI specced version so I have more hope.
.224 Valk never got me interested because 6.8 SPC is hot garbage.
How does the .300 ham’r compare?
@hornady what's the difference between 6mm ar and 6mm arc?
.243 WCF - in a Grendel case !!
.243 WCF is my 'all rounder' of choice; I just can't use it an AR15 platform readily(!)
How is this cartridge different from the 6mmAR that's been around for 20 years?
Price, Price, Price, availability, availability and availability.
Just after I bought a new ar-15 with a .223 Wylde chamber :( When ammo or at least the brass becomes more available and affordable I will certainly look into this cartridge. I can get .223/5.56 and .308/7.62 anywhere except Walmart but I'm permanently boycotting them SOB's anyway, I think it will be a while until this gains that degree of popularity but I at least want to see it available in the gun shops and hardware store near me before getting one. I have a good feeling about this cartridge from everything I've seen so far.
Walmart doesn't care, the Walton's are worth 225.2 Billion dollars pick another fight.
@@MF-Rell They are continually selling goods and making more money off that, it is millions of customers that are maintaining and growing their fortune by purchasing goods from their stores. Those millions of customers are only one customer each but add up to many millions, if they lose enough individual customers it will hurt their bottom line. They absolutely do care about retaining customers not because they love their customers but they love their profits that can only come if the customers keep coming.
@@phillhuddleston9445 Walmart isn't losing anything. You're being unrealistic. Are you mad bc you can't open carry in Walmart? You shouldn't want to anyway. Is someone was coming to do harm in a store the first person there going to shoot is the one who open carries.
@@MF-Rell No I don't care about open carrying in Walmart, What pissed me off is when the CEO of Walmart wrote a letter to the president of the united states on behalf of Walmart asking him to support and sign several unconstitutional bills such as an "assault weapons" ban, red flag laws and background checks on all firearms transfers that would create a national gun registry. Since then they have supported the Marxist BLM group pledging many millions of dollars to be donated to them and their affiliates and have pledged to hire and support more minorities which can only be done by discriminating against people who are the majority (white people).
@@phillhuddleston9445 you mad about that? Don't you still own yours? Do you really think they're going to take them or are you drinking Trump's Kool aid? People can have different opinions... Some of the anti him people arguments make sense but do I believe everything they say? No!! Handguns are used more in crimes that carbines. You know the second amendment so therefore they can't lawfully take our guns. You're an overly anyways emotional person that knows the constitution but would rather start an argument instead of comprehending that they won't take anything away from us. The US government would crush us in a civil War, remember that.
Number 1 rule to introduceing a new caliber thats actually worth it, supply the ammo readily available first at an affordable price for it's purpose, then let the public judge if it's worth it
Hornady, now releasing the 243 Winchester super short magnum from the early 2000s.
hm. as much as i don't buy into the hype, i do have to admit:
just like with the grendel, those trajectories from just 52kpsi and limited case capacity are rather nice.
Probably not true. It won't be nearly as extreme, and probably won't eat barrels like WSSM cartridges do.
Come on Hornady, Let's get to pumping out more of that arc brass and 108 bullets !!! 🤕🤕🥵🥵😩
Caliber Of The Month.
I’m curious to see a 6 ARC vs 300 HAM’R comparison.
Hmmm extreme wear with a quicker bullet?
Just settling into Grendel....
What are the best mags we need for this round?
I been waiting for this for a while now.
Been available for 10 years
@@killerfungis there is a large difference between a wildcat and a factory produced SAAMI cartidge. I've been a fan of 6mm AR for years but the huge jump in availability has me hypef.