Hornady 6mm ARC Joins Race to the Bottom
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The 6mm ARC was developed for the AR15. It is a near perfect round for that. If you are a bolt action type person, you would say it is under powered. In opinion, it is near perfect for what it made for.
When you compare calibers/rounds, you have to think about why they developed.
It is a great round!
There is a bolt action upper for the AR platform in 6mm ARC! It. Is. Awesome.
Hornady just copied the 6mmAR that had been out for 12 or 13 years, 243 and 6mm Predator had also been out several years before the ARC
Until you break your bolt-face like every other AR 15 pattern 6mm arc. The case is too big with too much pressure for the lugs on a standard AR 15 bolt. These cases should’ve been sized up to the AR 10.
@@johnouellet4099 If it was sized up to the AR-10 it would have never seen the popularity it has today
I am quite pleased you have come around to the ARC. I am normally a tried and true cartridge guy but this one spoke to me. I jumped on the bandwagon about 6 months after it came out. I have taken it out to 600 yards and its a winner in my opinion.
🤠 I think many of us out West forget that most of the country is only hunting Whitetail deer and at ranges under 300 yards (usually half of that)! Thefore, what we see as an "irrelevant" cartridge (because we may be thinking about elk) is actually ideal for Whitetail deer at closer ranges! That is why it is important that we take those situations into strong consideration! Horneday seems to be the only manufacturer thinking about what the majority of the country wants and needs, rather than the rare international hunter seeking a stump thumper of a Magnum cartridge! I like what they have done! I think that this cartridge would also be good for the military in closed quarter, indoor combat situations! Anyway, thanks for the review Ron! 👍
I think it was initially designed for the military. They wanted something with more punch than the 223/556.
I would have liked to see in the 6.5 Grendel in this comparison. The 6 mm Arc looks like a stablemate to the 65grendel. Would love to see a video comparing the two.
Really, the 6ARC is 6mm PPC made for AR's or if to put it another way a 6mm Grendel. The three cartridges would be virtually identical in capacity and performance. Although the exterior dimensions would vary slightly, the would be very very close.
@@kaytod exactly my point.
It's a necked down Grendel, that's why it looks similar to you. They actually use the same magazines, my Grendel mags say Grendel or ARC right on them. BTW the ARC outperforms the Grendel by just a little bit after a few hundred yards.
@@kaytod Anyone here have any experience with the 224 Vakyrie? How does it compare to the 6mm ARC and the 6.5 Grendel?
6.5 Grendel has cheap ammo. 6arc is expensive proprietary. That was my decision maker. I didn't buy 6.5 grendel till wolf and ppu started making grendel ammo. If I can't afford to shoot it it's useless
Ron, great video. I live in AZ and hunt Coues deer down along the border. While I’m carrying a bolt gun, one of my buddies carries a 6mm ARC AR 15. Which gives us some comfort in case things get sporty.
Yes, it fills that role. But to be fair, 77 grain ar15 can run double duty on both deer and two legged critters. And 25-45 sharps requires only a barrel change on the ar15. Or 300 hamr. No bolt change. 6mm arc is cool, but it's a spendy way to do what already exists.
@@sasquatchrosefarts 1) To each his own on rifle calibers. My friend with the 6mm ARC has many, many guns to choose from. 2) .223 isn’t legal on deer in AZ. 3) I like your YT handle! Made me smile.
@@brentbryson215 .223 is completely legal for deer in Arizona. R12-4-304. Any centerfire rifle caliber, any centerfire handgun caliber, any muzzleloader rifle or handgun, shotgun using slugs, pneumatic gun .35 caliber and greater, plus archery and others exc exc.
I've spent the last year building what I thought was the perfect AR chambered in 6.5 grendel. Now I don't think so anymore. Dang I guess I found this year's project lol.
"Flip-flopping" is not a bad thing if it is done because you are thinking, learning, studying and evaluating new information! That is a sign of a person who is wise.
I just built a 6ARC. With 24in heavy barrel. I govwith 600 to 700 foot lbs for northern Michigan whitetail. Heck my old 244 with a 95gr SST does a heck of a job on them as well. Great v Ron . Thanks
If you're not shooting past 300 yards, why not go with the 6.5 Grendel ? More energy inside of 400 yards with a heavier bullet and basically the same wind drift and trajectory. I recently bought a Grendel upper for my AR-15 after comparing the two. I saw more of an advantage in the 6.5 Grendel over the 6 ARC at the shorter ranges you would use an AR-15 for. At longer ranges maybe, but then your power factor drops enough you need to use a bigger cartridge anyway. I don't get it.
I like watching this channel because I feel like it's like sitting down with my Grandpa for a history lesson on guns. Thanks, Ron.
I just ordered a Ruger American predator in 6.5 grendel BUT I've never shot a deer past 100 yards, most 50 or less. But I love light recoiling deer cartridges
After a lot of hype, Hornady really dropped the ball on this round when it came to producing ammo and brass for reloaders.
They didn’t drop the ball. There was/is an ammo shortage that cut the achillies off the round at an early stage. Blame COVID and Brandon
It was in stock yesterday at midway. Loaded ammo, dies, brass, etc. More manufacturers need to start making barrels and complete guns in it though.
@@ericshipp51 Well to this day it is still impossible to find brass. Kind of hard to keep blaming covid when there's plenty of brass available for other rounds. I think they gave up on it after the DOD didn't pick it up. Sour grapes.
@@Nick-sx6jm Really? Brass? Well its gone now.
@@SDMacMan Maybe I was lucky. I was looking at it the other day to see if any new barrels or uppers came out and they had 2 of the 3 factory loads and brass. Most manufacturers are focusing on the most popular stuff right now because they can sell an unlimited amount of it.
I rebarreled a Ruger American from 6.5 Grendel to 6 ARC. Bartlein barrel and restocked. It is shooting fantastic
I have a 6mm Rem,,,It's getting very hard to get shells for,,I've had it since 1976,,It's aMod,,,M55 Tikka,,I've got about 12 boxes of Hornady Super Performance 95gr, red tips,,and shoot very good 👍,
I found 2 boxes of corlock the other day bought both.
My rifle really like the 80gr federal loads but I think they discounted them.
I have to feed my rifle my wife's rife and the grandson rife.
All 6mm remington.
Yah,,I used my 6mm rem, on ground hogs back the old days,,No ground hogs around anymore,,So now I use it for coyotes,,With those 95gr Super Performance Hornadys,,They are boasts up from Hornady,,Because, they perform like a 308,,But,,I've got 15 boxes of them 🙄
I don't know who decides on what caliber to drop and which to keep,,they don't think before do,,,I have a Remington 722,,it used to be a 222rem,mag,But rechambered it to a 223rem,still shoots very well, The US Army chose the 223 over the 222 years ago,,& the 222rem mag, had 75 yds,more hitting power,,same as the 6mm Rem, got more than the 243,but the Americans decided 243🤪🤣😁🤪
Thank you 😊
Love the 6arc
Excellent recoil advantages south of the others. This round for sure very useful for purpose in the AR platform. And until you've hunted high and low recoil you don't really see the benefits of being able to remain on target whilst looking through a scope. I'm not certain if this can be done using this round? But if so its benefits would be obvious.
6.5 grendel is extremely simular in performance shooting 123gn 300yrds and in. Maybe you should revisit the grendel?
i'm with you that i can't see any reason to invest in this cartridge when the grendel is so similar and established and more widely available. i think the difference is that Ron hasn't said anything negative about the Grendel, at least that i've ever seen
Same case faster bullet with better BC for long ranges
400 yards and in I see no reason to choose ARC over Grendel, if you are interested is stretching out the range to 500-1000yrds, then the ARC could be justified, its really just a more efficient bullet, but because the ARC is a lighter bullet you don't see the advantages until the longer ranges.
You spelled similar wrong
I've loaded the 6mm arc down to 58 grain bullets. I originally wanted a 6.5. I think you have more bullet range with the 6mm IMO
The ball was dropped when they didn't have rifle makers chambering the 6arc in bolt action rifles from the start! The 6arc with a 24" barrel and a competent handloader is a little freaking monster!! I'd buy a 22arc right now in a heartbeat
Yup. Got a savage bolt gun in this cartridge. My 8 yo daughter loves it. I do too
I put together a nice 6mm ARC for my wife. 22" Grendel Hunter upper with 19" rail, 6.5 Arms Monster BCG, Spikes Tactical Ambidextrous lower, with Larue tactical MBT 2 stage trigger. E-Lander 6.5 Grendel Mags, It's an amazingly accurate rifle.
I've been trying to decide on a distance caliber I can use with a standard ar lower. I keep coming back to the arc...it will probably be my next upper build.
Wow. I don’t even hunt or anything. But 10/10 would hang with you Ron. You seem to have really good entertaining food for thought!
Plan on buying a complete upper😁😁down the road already have the Savage Tac bolt, in 6mm arc. Love the little round👍
Cool cartridge but I will stay with the 6.5 caliber. Put a 110 grain Barnes in the 6.5 Creedmoor and you have over 1000ftlbs of energy out to over 500 yards and still flying at 2000 plus feet per second.
The DOD commissioned the work by Hornady , Barrett, and proof research to make a combat rifle and cartridge for a very specific purpose: to reach out to enemies who were staying outside of the range of the common M4....
I don't think you appreciate the wide use and obsession with the AR15 platform, Ron. All the calibers that have been developed for it in the last 20 years aren't popular because they're better than existing cartridges. They're popular because they do the best you can with a given bullet diameter in the AR platform.
I am building an AR in 6mm ARC for two of the reasons he mentioned. The main reason is for getting people in to hunting, particularly my young niece and nephews. I know when I was a kid who was new to hunting, recoil was my biggest worry. There are too many other factors to worry about when you are shooting an animal to have to worry about recoil. 6mm ARC is more than enough cartridge for the job and it removes the worry of recoil.
The other thing is I like shooting long range for fun (I don't compete or anything, I just like ringing steel at a distance for fun). I shoot Berger VLD bullets in my .270 with 54.5 grains of Hodgdon 4831. The 6mm ARC is supersonic past 1000yds and a typical load uses half the powder I use in my .270. In theory, the powder cost should be half as much for the 6mm. The bullets should cost a little less too, but that depends on what i end up settling on.
ATT.
Ron Spomer, you need to know the actual history of the so called 6ARC..
Hornady stole the design from a great and well know wildcater of the new era.
By the name of Robert Whitley, who design the 6mmAR with permission of Alexander Arms necking down the 6.5 grendel case.
So it's not a Hornady thing*
Just in case you'd be interested! 😉
I have owned a couple of 243 Win. Although not my 1st choice for deer the 243 / 6 mm punch above their weight with 100 + grain projectiles due to high BC and good penetration. This cartridge looks good and mild to shoot. For a non-reloader the logistics of factory made ammo ( price and availability) become important for me. Regards Dave
I feel vindicated. You and I had a short discussion on velocity where I argued I am happy to give up velocity in favor of more consistent accuracy. I think we were talking about 6mm or 6.5mm bullets. I see no reason to push a round out at >2900 fps when ~2600 fps gets the job done with potentially better accuracy. I don't care that my slower bullet has more drop out to 300 yards as long as I can consistently hit what I am aiming at (staying within your 6in target for example). Flat shooting is not all what it's cracked up to be with the cost of barrels and powder. Maybe ARC stands for exactly that - increased amplification of bullet trajectory? Thanks for opening your thought process and coming to the dark side... 😁
Its a 308 / 7.62x51, scaled down to 6mm size. Similar velocities, similar trajectories, plenty of energy for most game you'll encounter and a good all-round catridge when loaded up or down. I reckon a 22" barrelled Ruger American in this would be a really nice budget performer.
@@boingkster a 243 is a 308 scaled down to 6mm.
@@WayStedYou there's a big difference between "necked down" and "scaled down", ie a 17 Remington is a necked down 223 but a 17 hornet looks very much like a scaled down 223.
They should have redesigned (strengthen) the bolt (and barrel extension) and simply necked down a 6.5 Grendel.
Haven’t you wondered why you haven’t heard anything from the “undisclosed government agency”? Could it be that it didn’t meet expectations?
Come on Ron you can't stop now you have to keep doing video's for us all .......
Flip Flop Ron for President! LOLOL ... just kidding... I think that's a cool new cartridge.
All the new cartridges coming out are sticking their bullets out Further and cutting their necks literally! The Longer throats Make the Lighter bullets jump further. The answer is longer necks, so that you can handle the lighter bullets and the heavy bullets. And donuts are no problem if you are reloading with a bushing die, just don’t size your longer neck down to the shoulder neck Junction before the donut. Lastly throats erode and there will be a point when your bullet cannot be moved out further because the neck will not be holding it. Think Of have the Versatility of the long neck 30-06.
Can you make a comparation on 🇩🇪 6,5x68mm (80 years old) to modern 🇺🇸 6,5mm calibers?
Love your podcast. Just found your You Tube channel with this video. Thanks for all the great info and insights.
I was really digging the idea of a bolt action in this cartridge, but after researching I think the better option would be a 6mm BR Norma. The main hindrance of the ARC is the bolt in the AR15. I had hoped that CMMG would adapt their MK47 PowerBolt design to use with the ARC since it uses the larger 308 style bolt carrier to handle the 7.62x39 as opposed to the weaker/smaller AR15 bolt by taking out too much material to accommodate the larger rim. I believe this is why they reduce the pressure for the AR15. If CMMG produced their rifle with the stronger bolt, it would be the best AR platform for this cartridge.
Alot of the hype is sales pitch on these new cartridges they are presented that they have been sprinkled with wizard dust.
Like you I did not think much of this new round when it first came out 2 years ago. After reading more I came to the same conclusion you have. This round will be as popular with the AR guys as the 243 bolt action was back in the sixties. Considering that the round was developed for the military there is a chance that the military may come to the same conclusion you and I have and start using this round after they shoot out the barrels in their new 80,000psi M-5.
Love my 243
The U.S. military should have adopted this round for the AR platform. All they have to do is re-barrel their existing platform
I have seen the real green flash in the Florida Keys. It is "very" bright and I believe it is when all the things align: the sun shine through the water (like light through a prism) and the green flash shoots out to be visible to the human eye..
Just bought one in absavage 110, shoots lights out
I won't "poo poo" any newer cartridge, but still like the old "tried and trues". If I was a new shooter and looking for a more all around cartridge, the 6mm ARC or 6.5 Grendel would be great choices and both have ammo available for similar prices as CM size ammo.. They both offer more smack than the .223/5.56 in the same platform, without really adding much weight in the loadout.
I recently "built" a 7.62×39 AR and it has great potential for the shorter ranges where I hunt. I am not recoil sensitive, and really notice little difference between it and a 5.56 AR, but my young grandson does. The ARC would up the Sectional Density and Kinectic Energy fronts over most 62-64 grain 5.56 hunting ammo.
This reminds me of the time I bought a Remington model 8 from an old neighbor of mine and it came with 2 boxes of old as dirt UMC 30 Remington ammo with 3 rounds missing out of the boxes and 2 brand spanking new boxes of ammo that said "30 Remington AR" and when I opened the box my hand slapped my forehead so hard I thought I was gonna die. For some reason Remington decided to give 2 completely different cartridges the exact same name. 30 Remington and 30 Remington AR are not interchangeable or even close. This 6mm Hornady DTAC BR Lapua thing looks just like that 30 Remington AR. At least they didn't call it a 243 Winchester AR.
My hat’s off to the modern cartridge developers. Whether the advantages are field practical, or theoretical, they are resulting in marketing success. Are they enough to make me trade in my .243 Winchester 70? In a word, no.
I enjoy your show and watch regularly. I am about the same age as you so I can relate to a lot of your experiences. I am currently looking for a new varmint rifle. I had pretty much decided on the 6MM ARC and was really interested in what you had to say about it. Problem is, after watching your show I now have several concerns about the 6 ARC. I believe it to be a good cartridge for its intended purposes however, there seems far more hype in advertising and bragging than in actual facts as to the performance of the cartridge much like back in the day and the very successful 308 advertising campaign. Advertisers sold people on the idea of how much more "efficient" the 308 (62,000psi) was than the 30-06 (50,000psi). Fact is that the real difference was in the working pressures of the firearms/cartridges at the time. The 30-06 ammo was loaded to lower pressures so it wouldn't damage the gas operated firearms of the time. The inherent efficiency of the cartridge case had little if anything to do with the actual ballistics of the cartridge and everything to do with the ballistics of sales for the 308. Loaded to the same pressures, with the same bullets, in similar rifles the 308 simply lacks the case capacity and horsepower to do what the 30-06 will. This is the same with the 6 ARC/243 Winchester comparisons.
My understanding is that commercially produced 6 ARC ammo is loaded to 52,000 PSI which makes sense to me as, I do not believe Hornady would purposefully market ammo that would fit and function perfectly in the extremely popular AR style firearm which could at a minimum damage the firearm and at worst, maim or kill the shooter? l just don't believe Hornaday would do that nor that their lawyers would let them. Further with the 243 having a huge case capacity advantage over the 6 ARC and operating at substantially higher pressures (horse power) 60,000/62,000 PSI) how can any reasonable person argue that 6ARC ballistics are nearly identical to the 243 Winchester?
If a person is talking about a hand loading proposition and if a person has a bolt/single shot firearm then the 6 ARC could be loaded to have higher horsepower but, only up to a point. Then the 243 Winchester could be loaded to higher pressures if a person wanted to take the risk. Also the 243 could be setup to shoot long for caliber bullets putting it on even footing with BC's. Then what?
I just don't see the 6 ARC as equaling the 243.
Hunt honest and shoot straight. Heh heh "shoot straight" could certainly have more than one meaning.
6mm ARC perfects the AR-15/M16 platform.
The U.S. military just screwed up by making the 277 fury the standard infantry rifle. 277 fury is great for a DMR or belt fed machineguns. But the infantry rifle should be 6mm ARC.
"6mm Remington if you still have one" Damn right I still have one. But Im in the process of a re barrel of a mini 30 in 6mm ARC. Im getting sick of the 7.62x39 esp. now that we have to use copper bullets even for pigs here in Ca. Its a pain to reload the little commmie cartridge with its limited ballistics and bullet choices. 6mm ARC will solve all that.
I love the 6arc! Mine is very good shooting, sub moa and it's ballistics are better than 5.56, it's the only caliber I think could beat out the 5.56 for military use
So with all that said, how does the 6mm ARC and the 6.5 Grendel stack up to one another?
Grendel carries more energy inside of 250 yards or so, but then the higher efficiency of the higher B.C. 6mm bullet takes over. Less wind deflection in the ARC, too.
@@RonSpomerOutdoors thank you.
So basically, the 6.5 Grendel is a better hunting cartridge and 6 ARC is a better long range paper puncher.
6 arc or 6.5 Grendel, Mo. Whitetail’s
Ron 2024🤠
Considering that this cartridge is designed mainly for the AR platform it would seem to fit pretty well in the hog hunting category. But also slowing it down a little bit would help with the noise reduction aspect if the shooter should decide to put a suppressor on the rifle. As most of us know, a suppressor really only does it’s job if the round goes subsonic. Can’t really think of any other reason. I would never buy it just because it’s too expensive for me to use in large quantities. It’s not very easy to find either. I don’t know … I guess it just depends on the shooter. And the wallet.
It's actually pretty easy to find ammo for nowadays we buy cases of it
I love my 6.5 Grendel. But in 10 years from now the 6ARC will have buried the Grendel & the 22valkyrie also.
After a great experience with Grendel I think 6 ARC is brilliant. Let's face it, the AR15 platform is going to be replaced in the military and the cost of entry to a Sig Spear is prohibitive for most of us. The 6 ARC adds a big boost to the AR15 platform. It isn't a 277 fury, but you will have a lot more power than 556 and quite a bit less weight and recoil than a Sig Spear chambered in 277. Note: the 277 really competes with AR10's, but we all like the AR15 so, 6 ARC is a big winner in my book.
I think it's meant for an M16/M4 system as a marksmen rifle for the military.
Say it fast... Grendel Grendel Grendel
I love my arc
I wish Ruger would make a Ranch Rifle in 6mm ARC.
I’m getting one in a howa mini action..4.5 lbs
I've been wanting to put an AR together for 6ARC. I just can't decide if I want to go cheaper with Aero Precision upper or just go all in with something from Geissele. It won't be used for competition or anything, just hunting and plinking, so I'm leaning towards the cheaper route.
I built one from Aero parts but spent a little extra on a great barrel from Compass Lake Engineering. It's a tack driver. Put the money in the barrel, the rest doesn't matter that much. A JP bolt would be highly recommended but an Aero will work good too.
Hornady didn't think it through, Alexander arms did. They just necked down the grendel. I love them both and have several, but I always felt the grendel should have been 6mm from the go
I prefer Grendel. Higher bc. Better penitration. More frontal diameter. Larger expansion.
What about the 224 Valkyie??
What would happen if Hornady teamed up with sig and used a bi-metal case for the 6mm arc? I wonder how fast they would be able to drive a 108gr head?
Try as I might (Western Hunter), I feel like a dude going into pistol fight with a knife, when out in the field with my .243. I can never shake that, try as I might, AND after taking the largest bodied Mulie, I have ever shot, a few years back one. But, for punching paper, if that was my "getcha" the ARC would be the ticket, you could almost watch em hit the target.
I'll just stick with my 243s.
Plainly the measuring stick of all the 6 mm. hunting rounds. I will never shoot at any game animal farther than 300 yards anyway.
Ron Spomer I do not care if someone likes a cartridge I like or hates it. I just care about peoples idea's and opinions on things not if they agree with me or not. In fact I like it better when people disagree with me and make a strong case for why they disagree! It gives me an opportunity to see someone else's thoughts on a topic. I generally can not stand people that "like to see other people come around" that nonsense is for small minded fools that want a pat on the back either because they want their ego stroked or they crave conformity and group think. I value well reasoned debate on idea's and topics not "yes men" and group think. The fact that you where open minded enough to change your mind on the topic over time means your thinking critically and are intellectually honest and I like that! I do not want my ego stroked! LOL Your good to go in my book because you tell it like you see it and you make a good case for why you think what you think and back it up with facts and figures!
6 ARC, just like 6.5 Grendel, only make sense in the AR-15 platform. In a bolt gun it is pointless. Why would you use a cartridge built around the limitations of the AR-15 in a gun design that doesn’t have those limitations? So many far better choices for a bolt. In the AR-15 platform; however, it is a great option.
The us military should have probably just rebarreled all they're current rifles for 6mm ARC. It would have saved boatloads of money and the Sig Spear would be just replacing the dmr rifles.
Might be a natural for Ruger's small rotary magazine bolt-action. It would be a step-up over the 77/22 Hornet version if Ruger can assure accuracy.
I’ll stick with my 6creed.
In a bolt action, 6arc is basically a slightly hotter 6BR. In a gas gun, it is almost identical to 6BR and can fit into an AR15. Anyone that is into maki g teeny tiny little groups knows how good the 6BR is and the 6 ARC is ballisticly almost its twin. It really is a superb round.
I don’t think those 108gr in the table truly reach 2800fps shown in the table in this video. I think 6ARC is a business because of AR15 service market. No service rifle market means no civilian market as the usual rule. Only 243Win, 6CM seem like reliable factory available, and the other 30+ 6mm cartridges will never go to factory production. If you can get 2900fps for 103ELDX then it would be excellent for varmint and deer. Perhaps the 70-80gr varmint loads is where the 6ARC is best placed that should reach 2800-3000fps somewhere I would think. In most other videos I’ve seen using 103gr or 108gr, they start having pressure signs or primer blow out with velocities typically sub 2600 to mid 2600 and that makes it a baby 308. Inflating the velocity numbers to look like you get 2800fps for 108gr I think is a bit of marketing stretch to make it seem like an edge or keep up with 6 or 6.5CM.
Howa 1500, mini action, under 5 pounds in 6mm ARC.
I will stick with the 6.5 Grendel and the 6.8 SPC. The 6mm sounds cool but does so little more than the other two already do. And it's pretty much a Hornady only game right now. And after the way they treated their employees and then lied about a vaccine mandate, I will no longer support them for my ammo needs. They use to be my go to ammo brand. I can't look the other way however on a company that does not truly support freedom.
2545 sharps?
How can 10k psi difference between two platforms be acceptable??? At least with 223/556 at 7k difference psi there is a designation printed on the barrel....seems sketchy.
This case would serve better in .224 caliber.
Its hype the 6 5 grendal is better but it just never took off
I've been watching this round. The 6MM ARC is looking very good for overall performance.
Run the chart out to 1000 yards with all info. this round outperforms the 6.5 Grendel at 1000 yards.
At least the info I saw showed this. Please run the chart for this round. 6MM ARC holds hypersonic out to and past 1000 yds.
I am seriously looking at this round.
I still favor my 243, but 6MM ARC has my attention for long-range ballistics.
Also, I want it for (guess what) my AR platform... 😇😇😇
It pains me to say it because I went 6.5 grendel before the arc existed… but the 6 arc is probably the best all around cartridge for the ar15 platform. It’s a 400 yard deer cartridge you can put in a 6.5 lbs (loaded and scoped) semi auto that shoots sub moa… besides that it has great application as a fighting/defensive rifle cartridge. I think Hornady hit it out of the park with this one. (But Not enough of a difference for me to switch from 6.5 grendel at this point)
Same
6.5 is better, the arc has a very minimal bc benefit while losing 20 grains of bullet. 6.5 grendel and 22 grendel are the best of the bunch.
@@PineyJustice perfectly stated
PineyJustice the 123 eldm at .506 G1 out of the grendel can be pushed at around 2450 FPS out of an ar. The 108eldm at .536 can be pushed at close to 200fps faster out of the same barrel length ar. Faster starting velocity and higher bc= more velocity down range in a cartridge class where minimum expansion velocity (around 2000fps for most projectiles) is your determining factor for maximum effective range on game. Your looking at around a 100 yard advantage to the 6 arc.
@@DrewEdwardBacklas Except that hornady factory 6.5 grendel is more like 2600 fps, on top of that, handloading a little hotter is fairly normal, run a quality bolt. Current pressure limitations are largely due to the old bolts when the cartridge first came out which were little more than modified 5.56 bolts.
If you want speed and BC, 22 grendel is better than 6 arc.
The 6mm ARC is one of the most common calibers my customers have built. I went with one of my customers and called some coyotes and he shot a coyote at 580 yards with it. Other than shooting paper, I had never shot the 6mm ARC.
I ended up building one for myself and love it. It’s my go to rifle now for coyotes and varmints.
How do you like it VS the 6.5 Grendel?
@@ghost101049 I don’t. Get the 6mm ARC.
I’m grateful for mature men like yourself to self reflect and then make compromises as well as give credit in areas contrary to your previous mindset. Thank you for all your great work!
Thank you, Lil-Mo.
@@RonSpomerOutdoors I want to see you do a video on all the weirder caliber stuff you don’t think gets enough love
@@RonSpomerOutdoors Ron, you missed something. Although this is good. And 6.5 grendel.is good. Because they run different diameter bolt face, they have heavy upper receivers on ar15. For overall weight of a sporty hunting ar15, you want 300 hamr, or 25-45 sharps. The standard brass can be loaded with good powder and accomplish a lot on a heavier bullet. 6.5 Grendel rifles, and 6mm arc , makes the ar15 gain a pound or two. Which then makes them kinda not such good choices. They are good, but not optimal.
It's obviously not that anyone just wants a slow .243, it's just how much performance can you shove into an AR magazine length. May be less than most 6mm but it's still more than 5.56 which is the main idea.
Baffles me that this isn't the main talking point in all these cartridge war videos... It's all about maximizing performance in a given platform depending on the intended application
243 fits in the Ar 10 though....
@@frankk1512 Yeah, if you have a larger gun with a longer action you can fit a more powerful cartridge. That's like saying the 300 BLK is a "slow 30 cal" because you can fit 308 in an AR-10. It is, duh, but that's rather missing the point of the cartridge.
@@CCXRS7 "Yeah, if you have a larger gun with a longer action you can fit a more powerful cartridge" '
No thats the point im making, Its more on the same platform. The differences appear in recoil ect but not in build size.
@@frankk1512 the 243 fits in the ar10, not the smaller framed ar15. 243 is irrelevant to compare to the 6arc
Fell in love with the 6mm ARC when I first read about it. Ron, you were correct to give this little cartridge another look. Nice work!
*.280 Bristish* would have cut 70 years of needless 'development,' just saying.
This ^. Strange whow younger generations rediscover sage knowledge. The Brits were on to something with their .280.
Yeah, I believe the Mausers which so impressed us in Cuba were 7mm. If we would've gone 7mm (or 6.5) after the Krag, we probably would've skipped the wild 7.62/5.56 swing.
The 6mm arc was designed for the ar15 platform. It also makes a good bolt gun for deer. SOF wanted a cartridge that could be easily carried like the m4 but had the capability to engage targets over 500m because the bad guys would sit just outside the 5.56 range and lob rounds in just hoping to hit someone. And thus the 6mm arc was made. In the right hands it is capable of accuracy at 1000m.
Big fan of the 6mm ARC. Just a target shooter but I've pushed out this small cartridge to 1000 yards in an AR platform and it was a lot of fun. BC with 107 HPBT SMK is exceptional and fun to shoot. Glad to see you have changed your mind on the cartridge.
Any discussion about 6 arc without paying homage to the 6.5 grendel feels incomplete. There isn't much 6 arc can do that 6.5 grendel can't. 6 arc was made from a grendel case necked down.
Right? I watched the entire video hoping for some kind of comparison to the Grendel.... crickets. Respect to Mr. Spomer for putting the numbers together here, but leaving the 6.5 Grendel out of the mix almost seems intentional. Especially since he did a fairly detailed video on the Grendel just 8 months ago.
The shoulder on the ARC is pushed back slightly (0.03") vs the Grendel, but yes, it is definitely in the same family. The 6mmAR and 243 LBC just use a necked down Grendel case and have been around longer.
1:10 twist is just archaic. The .270 Win is suffering from the same problem. People are shooting 170 grain bullets over 2000 yards with 1:8 twist barrels.
Agree. Rebarrled my 243 with 1:8. Not even the same league as a 1:10.
Same with 308, there is some new heavier 308 ammo that requires a 1:8 twist
I agree that .243,25-06,,270 are left behind. Twist them Boys up and they are come to life. Like the 130+ grain bullets for .25
To each his own I guess.
@@IamONaLISTthis is my biggest gripe with any 30cal rifle. Whether you get a 308, a 300 win mag, or an 06 they all have 1:10 or even a 1:12. It seems like the only way to get the appropriate twist rate for a rifle of any caliber is to get it custom built
@@farmer727 was this to shoot 100gr bullets better or does it help all around with the 70-90gr bullets too?
Long live the .243, everyone is trying to equal or exceed this cartridge but the .243 is still king.
The 6arc isn’t meant to be competition for the 243. The 6arc was designed to fit in an ar15 magazine.
😂some peeps just dont get it. Sorry, i cant help but to laugh when i see guys comparing the arc to the 243 like thry think its made to conquer it. So dang funny.
The 6mm cm kills the 243
Ron's humble opinion strangely parallels the source of his check. Long live 243!!
Lol but not in an AR .
I think the military should have gone with this over 6.8mm Sig
The 6.8 Sig is to defeat modern body armor. 6mm ARC cant do that.
@@Gieszkanne I know but the Russians and Chinese cannot logistically supply their troops with body armor so what's the point? Plus even if they had good armor, if you get shot in the thighs or the face you're a goner but also getting hit in the arms and legs would take you out of the fight or at least make you ineffective. Logistically speaking I think having more bullets is also an important factor.
@@Bagginsess Do you really think US troops will ever fight against Russian or Chinese? They both outnumber US by far. The era of big troops fighting each other is over. War is stupid anyhow. But for the AR15 I also think the 6mm ARC is the most ideal cartridge.
@@Gieszkanne war always finds a way to happen. I don't think it'll happen anytime soon but decades from now there will be ground conflict between all the super powers. Japan and China will have yet another war, India and Pakistan probably, Turkey and maybe Iran or the Arabs, Russia and someone, and America will probably fight China over Australia and New Zealand or maybe even Hawaii if China is feeling stupid enough.
I also see countries building giant bunker cities to deal with nukes like medieval folks built castles and walls to deal with horses of raiders, eventually culminating in star fort cities once Europe industrialized.
@Gieszkanne Ideal cartridge for an accurate bullpup. Compact enough for cqb without sacrificing range. Just gotta work on trigger and barrel.
Rumor has it that an 6mm ARC with the steel base of the 6.8X51 Sig can push a 108 grain bullet out of the barrel at 3,100 fps, making it almost on pair with 6.5 Creedmoor. The downside is the high chamber pressure, but that's not a problem if the gun is built to handle it.
6mm arc is great especially for AR platform. I saved a ton of weight over my 6.5cm AR. Packs a perfect punch for deer and down.
A lot of hunters going with the 6mm and having good success with it. Thanks Ron for more information on this new favorite of the Hunting and shooting sports. 🎥💯👍
Well I've seen a couple lost with it already last year. No exit and no blood trail.
@@Future-Preps35
Well 180!yards isn't too far, and when a deer is knocked down hair knocked out of him blood's found there, and he gets up and runs off that's not a Miss buddy if you don't have a blood trail to follow, around here it's over , I don't care how much energy a bullet put in a Target if the target's not killed and you don't have a blood trail and you don't have a trail dog , you're not finding the deer. I mean you might be as all these new kids, they don't care as long as they go and find a rack five days later after buzzards are flying around, if that's the kind of Hunter you are, then you are set.
I mean I shot a good one with my 6.5 Grendel Last year at 80 yards and didn't get an exit or any blood trail and I almost didn't find that buck, but I just stumbled across him.
I mean I'm not bull crapping you, the facts are the facts if you don't have two holes in an animal it's hard to find them in the deep South I've hunted down here 40 years now.
And the biggest requirement for a deer cartridge down here is two holes in the animal. I know gun makers and bullet salesman like to talk about all the high B.C. and energy in the Target with no exit, all these frangible bullets and all this bull crap. But the fact still remain if you can't find your game, well you just got a conversation piece then., Think about it the pipsqueak 243 comes out and over 3,100 ft per second
And for the last 35 years of using one I have heard people talk about how it was too small not good enough and blah blah blah. Now you got a cartridge coming out 300 plus feet a second slower than the 243 and it's a long range Slayer?
Car reminds me of CNN and nsnbc and the rest of the b******* we hear everyday.
Sounds like someone is a terrible shot
The spot where I believe the 6 ARC will shine is the micro action Howa. The rifle is under 5 pounds. That would make a great high mountain. Off the beaten path kind of rifle.
That's right. That and the Grendel are perfect for those ultralight mini actions.
Do you by chance have a howa mini action build? If so would you mind sharing what you used and the weights? Thanks.
@@bigald9560 I don't have one yet. I was really hoping CZ would have a 527 6mm ARC. CZ dropped the 527 line and shot them selves in the foot.
At some point I will probably get a Howa but I don't have one yet.
It’s shines in the AR15. Way more power and effective range than the .223. The military should’ve adopted it instead of the .277 BS
@@ericshipp51 I read something about the military did adopt it.
@@idahoron They are fooling around with a lot of stuff.
The 6mm ARC, from what I have gathered, is a DOD & Hornady project to make a cartridge to be more effective than the 5.56 at the extended ranges (500-850 yards), yet, lighter weight than the .308 and also interchangeable with the M4/AR-15 platform. A soldier can have one lower receiver and two upper receivers (5.56 & 6mm ARC). When engaging at enemies beyond the effective range of the 5.56, the soldier can switch uppers and effectively do so. I know I am late to the table, but I just watched the Hornady podcast on the 6mm ARC. That is where I got this info.
Note: Combat is different than hunting. I do not encourage anyone take a 700 yard shot on a deer with a 6mm ARC. I wouldn't take a 500 yard shot on a deer with a 7mm Rem mag. My personal hunting limit is 400 yards... and that is far...