Never ceases to amaze me how he so easily discuss this subject like having a conversation in detail, diving into stuff I've never heard about in Star Wars. All white adding humor and various thoughts upon the particular storyline or subject matter. Unlike many others the flow of what is being said is really good and entertaining
It's a surprise that the Galactic Republic lasted this long for 25,000 years until the Clone Wars where it was reorganized into the Galactic Empire under Palpatine.
Here's how I viewed it: The Old Republic before the Ruusan Reformation is the First Republic while the Republic after the Ruusan Reformation is the Second Republic. As for the Republic that emerged after the Empire, it is the Third Republic.
@@lerneanlion the problem is the continuity of govenrment is never really broken. Even with the empire. The Emperor still used the governance of the republic, he jsut made it far stronger and more centralized until it fell and was taken over by ATRTR Who were led by the legally legitimate leaders in the senate. We never had something which truly broke the republic like say. “The Mandalorian Migrations” Where hosts of mandos descended on the republic as it fractured into several dozen factions with the mandalorians taking over much of it including coruscant and the core worlds. Such a scenario would mean it’s been broke. But as far as I remeber. Couruscant had been occupied by only the republic, Sith Empire, galactic Empire, and yuzong vong. But as I mentioned before non of those really broke the republic
I’ve read a few HR books and comics it’s definitely interesting I’m. A sucker for lore :). Hopefully the Acolyte will bring more awarensss about this period of Star Wars history
@GenerationTech right. I wish people could leave the politics out of it. Sadly people like theory let that effect their opinion too much, and miss the beautiful stories, and often the fact that the books kinda point out the philosophies short comings. Atleast ita not as bad as my favorite "Ronin". That story has some massive blind spots, but ita really beautiful in a way. It inspired many pieces of jewelry that I've smithed
What would have happened to the Republic _and the Jedi_ if the Clone Wars never happened? [The Sith have a bad day and Master and apprentice get taken out] Also what if Palpatine just failed in his final plan; Anakin didn't prevent Mace either because he realised he was being played, or Windu actually let Ashoka share her warning? Then the Republic has the GAR and a militarised Jedi Order. Which would change the nature and power of both.
With any alternate history, you have to either brush away a lot of stuff or just ignore key facts or events. Using, canon Star Wars, some kind of separatist movement was going to happen. During the High Republic, there were attempts to open up the Outer Rim to trade but it failed. They removed trade tax to get companies like the Trade Federation to get involved (When the tax was put back, the Trade Federation began blockading worlds i.e. Naboo). Would the separatist movement involve military forces or the Jedi if the Sith weren’t around? Probably not. If the Sith had messed up and somehow not get involved or removed themselves from the galaxy, would the Force even create Anakin Skywalker? If Palpatine and Plegious somehow removed themselves from the picture, the Force would not have created Anakin as a response to their dark side experiments. If it was just Count Dooku, it might have stayed a pacifist movement.
A real life way to describe the application of the mid rim and outer rim when you mention “grouping by sector” is how the major European powers carved parts of Europe, Africa, and the Middle East up after WW I. It’s most prominent in the Balkan States and the Middle East where you had groups of people fundamentally and historically enemies. Yugoslavia is one, and Iraq in particular. The Kurds in northern Iraq were killed by Saddam with chemical weapons. Yugoslavia had a bunch of people forced together, most notably Kosovo. Africa still has unrest once the European powers (mainly France and the UK) left. Heck, it took almost a hundred years for South Africa to sort itself out, and that’s counting its colony state. By African standards, that’s a fairly stable country. I’m not saying anything with Egypt because they are still sorting themselves out after the Arab Spring and Mubarak. So I think you’re spot on with how that translates over to the Star Wars galaxy as a whole, whether it’s Republic, Empire, New Republic, or New Order. None of them have done a really good job of dealing with practical ruling, defense, and even standard of living. Unless you’re from the Core Worlds and have influence, you can pretty much forget about being treated fairly.
Technically the resources are more important as money is simply a tool used to make the exchange and distribution of resources easier, if you think about it.
@@Sawtooth44 No, I just expanded on the 2nd portion of your comment by stating that the resources are actually more important than the money. Totally agree with your comment, btw. 👍
@@EyeOfMagnus4E201 money is a resource materials are a resource people are a resource there are many resources and its all about having more then your enemy
@@luisemoralesfalcon4716 they were the push on their own many tiems. The New Sith in particualr are likely responsible for so thourougly screwing up the outer rim that the republic couldnt fix it properly
bro its so cool how allen finds new video ideas as hes making previous ones. that rhodia situation you first pointed out in a video or two ago is perfect example of this videos theme
Finally. Im having the hardest time understanding the trade block in the first movie and the chess that palpatine was playing. This channel has me questioning the Jedi Order on a level that my younger self would slap me for thinking such things 😂😂😂
Short version: The republic more or less gave corporations free range to colonize the outer rim. This let them avoid taxes and regulations at the cost of doing everything themselves: infrastructure, security, everything. After a while the republic tried to bring them back into the fold, and in protest the trade federation blockaded Naboo. This is where TPM starts. By encouraging them to invade, Palpatine shows how useless the current government is, getting the chancellor deposed and propelling himself into office.
"Amateurs talk about tactics, but professionals study logistics." Is a quote attributed to many great people of history from Alexander the Great to now.
Even the Mandalorian Wars weren't fought by the Republic alone, and they surely would've lost had Revan not stepped in when he did. Same deal here. The Jedi lost to the Nihl because they were by themselves with no support and no backup, tactically speaking.
The pandemic really showed just how bad panic-buying and panic-hoarding can get. It’s important that we stock up during seasons of plenty, so that when times get tough, we’re more prepared.
as for the bit at the end about logistics... when playing Hearts of Iron IV with some of my friends, I maintain a couple Elite divisions with priority supply but most of what I produce ends up as Lend-lease to the others... about 80% as I recall ends up as lend-lease... then of course there's also the license production of designs I make since I also tend to go for certain techs asap for instance torpedo launched mines so i can have subs deploying mines making it hard for the enemy to prevent me from doing so as they can't see the minelaying operations as easily...
as always the video was really good and thought provoking, only thing i would like to come back is the is the trademark line about the republic and democracy... dont know why but i find it calming.
Noticed something, didn't Find Jarin determine finally Mandalore IS still semi inhabitable after all??? Or was that whole series, someone... Maybe Boba Fett having a running dream arc in their mind
Some people here are too into the memetic hazard of 'small government'. If anything, the Galactic Republic has _too little_ bureaucracy... or at least a too-small unelected bureaucracy. People forget that civilizations require immense (adjusted for population size and technological context) bureaucracies to even _function_ let alone thrive. Yes, even ancient civilizations needed an immense bureaucracy (outside of Rome, the primary holders of the bureaucracy were the religious caste/social tier, not the people) to function. Then there are the apparatuses to enforce that bureaucracy... which in both canons is _severely_ lacking in general (basically, the same situation that the USN currently faces: not enough personnel and material to do what the government is asking for it to do; Legends is especially atrocious given that the Judicial Forces have 'oh GOD so many' things to keep an eye on and practically nothing to cover with)...
Fascinating and compelling dive into an aspect of Star Wars History/Economy/Politics/Military that I never considered, even though as you point out there's a HUGE amount of lore behind this!
To summarize it up: The Republic is too large. After all, the Republic will faced no problems such as shortage of manpower and resources if the Republic did not rule the entirety of the known galaxy. The Republic needed to share the galaxy with the other polities too even if they don't like them. That's why the Roman Empire lived so long after the Abbasid Caliphate came to be because the Abbasid Caliphate has no interest of besieging Constantinople but simply just raiding the Anatolian lands under the Romans for loots, slaves, symbolism and glory annually and the same also applied to the Roman Empire after the theme system is firmly applied into both the Balkans and Anatolia. I don't know if the same can be said about the First Bulgarian Empire and the Kievan Rus' but as long as their rights for trade, certain privileges and enclaves in Constantinople are maintained well, they really do not have problems with the Romans. Also, by alllowing the systems outside of the Republic to develop on their own, the Republic may actually found an ally like how the Roman Empire under the Isaurian dynasty formed an alliance with the Khazar Khaganate in the future. So yeah, this sounds good to me.
To be entirely honest, a single unifying government ruling a galaxy as diverse and vast as the star wars galaxy should never be seen as a good thing imo. Trying to regulate and defend a territory that big is impractical in the extreme. Though general conflict might be higher I think things would be more stable if the galaxy was broken up into smaller alliances of worlds or small interstellar nations that were able to self govern and interact with other polities on a peer level.
Those states would have been competing with each other, and sooner or later they'd be drawn into endless wars over territory and resources. Look at Europe from the Roman Era to 1945. Without some central body there would be no galactic peace and eventually one faction would achieve dominance. And would eventually fracture and fall. That's history.
@@kenle2 Yes because the endless reign of an uncaring elite without the strength to even enforce it's own laws or defend it's own people is infinitely better. Nothing is perfect, yout have to choose your poison.
@kenle2 Didn't the Roman empire split and fall partly because it got too big to manage? Maybe the Star Wars galaxy should try going for a few smaller governments instead of one giant one?
The Old Republic was doomed from the start, after 1000+ yrs of peace they simply weren't accustomed anymore to war and its sad consequences. They should've mantained some token armed forces and a STRONG Navy. Their mistake remember me of the idiotic decommissioning that stroke the USA after ACW, some politicians suggested of disbanding the Navy, after all the USA would've NEVER fought again another war! Sometime I think that Ruslan 's reforms were "suggested," by some alien parasites, as in an old episode of ST-TNG, when a lot of Starfleet 's admirals are infected by aliens.
If a planet lacks an ecosystem that can support local farming (traditional or hydroponic) then it was probably never suitable for colonization in the first place. The problem with the Outer Rim is that most corporations were simply looking for resources (even though, scientifically speaking, the Deep Core should be more resource rich). This led to the creation of dependent colonies that were bad long term investments.
Do you know if there's lore about planets that were completely strip mined and either abandoned or rven made uninhabitable? I feel like that's something the corporations would do, just can't think of an example.
And that's somewhat pathetic for a space faring civilization. If you don't know how to make an agricultural ecosystem or indigenous self sustaining system for agriculture, you clearly have no business colonizing the planets and moons in your own system let alone worlds across the galaxy.
It really didn't. Tatooine's economy was essentially that of a small town built around a gas station and a failing mine. Its population wasn't that far off from one, either; the world had 80k to 200k people on it, including the Jawas and Tuskens, at any given time.
Hutt space literally nextdoor, not a planet literally an entire forth of the known galaxy, yeah the average person was poor, but it was economic hotspot for those willing to break the law
Wow Allen, it’s interesting how you continue to tie Star Wars lore into modern society. Educating myself on Geopolitics, I’ve learned that the U.S. is no longer interested or capable of patrolling the high seas for international commerce protection. This and wars in places like Ukraine has and will continue to create food insecurities in countries that import much of their food.
Logistics and supply chain management is definitely not a sexy subject but greatly important in our (and the Galaxy far, far away) ability to survive and thrive. I love how you make the connections Sexy. 😎
It was Cheaper for Rhodia to import food during peace compared to growing it locally, so their ability to grow food diminished because it wasn’t needed. Building a Farming system capable of supporting billions of individuals from scratch doesn’t happen overnight no matter how lush the climate so the planet starved
MegaFlora and fauna doesn't necessarily mean kind to life in legends its goes deep into the fact that rodia is a highly polluted planet the toxins outside the dome making it damn near impossible for anyone who is a regular human to step outside the dome without major health concerns, think similarly in our world's history the Europeans trying to enter the interior of Africa before the development of proper immunization like yes they could go there but chances are they'd be dead in less than a year
We should make our supply chain more resilient so that in case of any war, people will not starve, and it can keep food and medical supplies flowing to the places that need it, especially with these uap in the skies because why would you create a whole new division of military
Good idea . Here's the thing though, in todays global economy making our supply lines more resiliant simply isn't profatable. Covid-19 has ensured opened up the idea of making our economy more resiliant but as long a no body think there is a major war coming and big buisness wants to keep making massive amounts of money with minimal expense than making our supply chain more resiliant simply won't happen until it is prehaps to late.
notice how deep the world is and how deep the subsequent discussion can be with what Lucas did, then look at Disney canon, short cut the end of the empire with battle of Jaku and then basically have the new republic as a failure from the very start just to make the disney trilogy's backstory make sense, which is extremely lazy, explain things with one big event, and just make everyone seem like idiots, the same government that somehow came from the Rebellion that organized against the empire. Ironically because of the battle of Jaku, being a lazy way to destroy the imperial fleet, in disney canon, the galaxy would be more intact and the economy much stronger than in Legends, yet somehow Legends New Republic was not that poor and inept. Then look at legends that highlighted the ups and downs of the rebellion transitioning to the New Republic and dealing with the politics and military strategy of fighting against the empire. I guarentee you Thrawn's return in Timothy Zahn's trilogy will feel more epic than disney canon shadow council.
We want the police we just don't want the messing with us for no reason. They're like we can only gather at church anywhere else and you can be arrested or worse. They see their cells more has overseeing us than helpers
I live in the farm area of northern Arkansas so it’s like being on the outer rim and we will never die from starvation okay we might not get the food we like but we can still grow our food and keep from dying from starvation but we are still considered a flyover state and we don’t get much recognition from Washington DC and if they don’t get their act together we have succeeded from the republic before and we will have no problem doing that again but I love my country but that starts with my community not the people who live in a different state and when they try to make laws that go against what we were raised to believe in it will be a huge mistake so we will keep our guns thank you and you can keep your hands off of our stuff
And much like the Separatists, the last time y'all seceded, it was in the interests of a bunch of rich assholes wanting to retain their ability to abuse other people.
I still refuse to believe that the Republic, especially without any central military force, was anything but a chaotic hellhole ruled by petty tyrannical warlords. You CANNOT convince me that over a million species, 10s of millions of cultures, religions, languages, and political beliefs existed in harmony without threat of overwhelming force from a central authority. Here on Earth, I'm anti-authoritarian. But in Star Wars, I'm all for the Empire. Not Palpatine and Vader and Tarkin, but more of a Thrawn styled Empire. Perhaps I'm too entrenched in Warhammer 40k. Perhaps that is coloring my ability to see the possibility of peaceful co-existence without threat of force being involved. Or perhaps I've seen too much in our own world. I've been to 9 different countries in Asia, Europe, and South America. Sometimes in a uniform and sometimes not. I've witnessed(and sometimes taken part in) racial, religious, political, and cultural conflicts. Perhaps all that has left me too jaded. I used to look up to the Republic as 'the good guys'. But now that I don't really assign 'good guy' status to anyone above a small group(small community at the higher ends), I can't help but feel frustration and disgust with the Republic and it's do-gooder idealism. Especially whenever the reality is corruption and authoritarianism, greed and corporate power over all. I dunno man.
One solder requires a supply chain to function; someone to make their weapons, their armour, their ammo, their uniform, their rucksacks, their food, medicines, sleeping bag etc. Someone in a city requires someone to make their cafe latte, their crossiants, someone to reply to a complaint 😂
Serious question. Was the formation and existence of the Republic actually beneficial for the galaxy as a whole? Or was it just about power and wealth?
Yes. It last that long from promoted prosperity through trade and economic development as well as proper rule of law and common defense from the many pre russaan threats running around the galaxy
8:03 The whole point with defunding the police is that when departments don’t have the resources to cover for officers when they fuck up, they’ll be force to do a better job. No one wants to remove them completely. You can divert the fundings elsewhere, towards helpful prevention instead of violent reaction. People hate the police because police easily get away with bullshit and giving them more money will not help, not to mention that the system was never designed with everyone’s best interest in mind. If police are held accountable to the same degree as any other profession when they fuck up, maybe people would feel safer having them around.
Historically speaking, all too often if a security or police force is successful at reducing crime in their given area of patrol, political voices will often make the erroneous assumption that since there is less crime then a reduction in the size/capabilities of the police force should be implemented. This false assumption and implementation typically has one of two, if not both, outcomes all but inevitable: 1. The reduced police force allows criminal activity to increase. And/or: 2. The police force that is to lose a percentage of its funding is prone to falsify criminal activity, persecute innocent persons, ignore the rights of individuals, or any other kind of illegal activity in order to continue receiving current if not increased funding. I would also like to point out two other failings in the law enforcement/justice system: First, there is not a strong enough overwatch of law enforcement departments, the internal affairs department is highly inadequate. Second, there is too much of a fraternization between personal of law enforcement and of the judicial department. This fraternization jeopardizes the integrity of the three branches of government system. If the courts are too friendly with police, then the courts are liable to overlook discrepancies and even any kind of crime that law enforcement personnel perform. As an unfortunate victim of law enforcement and judicial corruption, I do agree that defunding or eliminating them is not the answer. Stricter oversight, recruitment, and training are a more logical solution. Give incentive to remain honest and enforce reprimandations against offending personnel. Being a good police officer means stopping criminals even if they are police officers, because once they begin breaking the law, they become criminals and not law enforcement. Allowing criminals to thrive in the departments of law enforcement brings a negative perception of the entire police force which makes for a negative relationship between law enforcement and the community of which they serve, thus making the job of legitimate police work much more difficult. Stop the criminals inside and your job will be easier outside. All easier said than done, cannot be denied. But saying it at least gives it any chance to get done.
Star wars Star wars from a different point of view always refreshing. And that i'm with your police police Views. That is why this is one of the best channels on the subject
If you can grow, mine, or make it yourself, you should do so. Your most favored trading partner today may become your most hated enemy tomorrow, or someone else might cut the chain between you.
7:50 How about talking where it comes from before going into pro cop, one sided takes? If youre going to walk into this field, speak more broadly, even if you arent going to hide your biases.
He wasn't being bias he simply stated both sides of the argument go back and listen to your own time marker he said your side of it too I think MAYBE you are letting your own bias show
@Thelazybaboon-kn3dc What both sides of the argument? He made a MAJOR assumption in stating that the worst thing to happen *ever* was cops not patrolling areas where African American people lived. If you can't see what a major faux pas that is when looking at even a basic history book, we have nothing more to discuss. Your biases are even more glaring than his.
Been a subscriber for years and watch every vid you put out. Would you consider trying to sound more lively rather than dower? Star Wars is a fun subject but you don't seem even remotely excited anymore. Sounds like you're reading a book report aloud to a class but you hated the material. We'd prefer to hear the excitement we know you have, in your presentation
What? Sure how many other people you listen to but he is extremely knowledgeable on the subject matter and delivers it very well. He also includes sarcasm and humor in the subject matter the timely way
@@ChristopherSloane That has nothing to do with delivery. Sounding like you're bored or uninterested is the opposite of engaging. Not a hard concept to grasp.
@@GenerationTech You're already on 1.5 speed my friendly chipmuch :D Still doesn't make you sound more engaged though. This was only meant to be constructive
He spoke on both sides of a difficult debate for literally less than 30 seconds each if that is too much for you I think you need to spend some time outside
Never ceases to amaze me how he so easily discuss this subject like having a conversation in detail, diving into stuff I've never heard about in Star Wars. All white adding humor and various thoughts upon the particular storyline or subject matter. Unlike many others the flow of what is being said is really good and entertaining
He unlike any other Star Wars UA-camr
He talks like my friends and I do about the lesser discussed aspects of Star Wars. Really refreshing tbh, validating even
Chancellor Valorum allows the CIS to leave the Republic peacefully.
*Palpatine [whispers]:* Fück.....
Allan: *says PDFs*
Me, nodding: "Personal Document Format."
It's a surprise that the Galactic Republic lasted this long for 25,000 years until the Clone Wars where it was reorganized into the Galactic Empire under Palpatine.
It wasn’t one continuous Republic, but rather several governments that inherited the name.
Do not forget to mention how it took a Gungan Sith to convince the Senate into giving emergency powers to the Supreme Chancellor
It has waxed and waned a lot.
It’s also gotten into 17 generational long civil wars between coruscant alsakaan and corellia.
Here's how I viewed it: The Old Republic before the Ruusan Reformation is the First Republic while the Republic after the Ruusan Reformation is the Second Republic. As for the Republic that emerged after the Empire, it is the Third Republic.
@@lerneanlion the problem is the continuity of govenrment is never really broken. Even with the empire. The Emperor still used the governance of the republic, he jsut made it far stronger and more centralized until it fell and was taken over by ATRTR Who were led by the legally legitimate leaders in the senate.
We never had something which truly broke the republic like say.
“The Mandalorian Migrations”
Where hosts of mandos descended on the republic as it fractured into several dozen factions with the mandalorians taking over much of it including coruscant and the core worlds. Such a scenario would mean it’s been broke.
But as far as I remeber. Couruscant had been occupied by only the republic, Sith Empire, galactic Empire, and yuzong vong. But as I mentioned before non of those really broke the republic
That last part is Star Wars meets Perun's channel. The Stars Universe is a place where defense economics is a thing.
We need a Perun collab with gen tech
Your observations are still sooo creative..
Keep the videos coming
The fact that you know of the nihil makes me actually like you. I think HR is just as good as legends, each jus5 has its own strong and weak points.
I’ve read a few HR books and comics it’s definitely interesting I’m. A sucker for lore :). Hopefully the Acolyte will bring more awarensss about this period of Star Wars history
@GenerationTech right. I wish people could leave the politics out of it. Sadly people like theory let that effect their opinion too much, and miss the beautiful stories, and often the fact that the books kinda point out the philosophies short comings. Atleast ita not as bad as my favorite "Ronin". That story has some massive blind spots, but ita really beautiful in a way. It inspired many pieces of jewelry that I've smithed
Cooperation is the key to human success, it's key to success throughout the galaxy.
What would have happened to the Republic _and the Jedi_ if the Clone Wars never happened?
[The Sith have a bad day and Master and apprentice get taken out]
Also what if Palpatine just failed in his final plan; Anakin didn't prevent Mace either because he realised he was being played, or Windu actually let Ashoka share her warning?
Then the Republic has the GAR and a militarised Jedi Order.
Which would change the nature and power of both.
With any alternate history, you have to either brush away a lot of stuff or just ignore key facts or events. Using, canon Star Wars, some kind of separatist movement was going to happen. During the High Republic, there were attempts to open up the Outer Rim to trade but it failed. They removed trade tax to get companies like the Trade Federation to get involved (When the tax was put back, the Trade Federation began blockading worlds i.e. Naboo). Would the separatist movement involve military forces or the Jedi if the Sith weren’t around? Probably not. If the Sith had messed up and somehow not get involved or removed themselves from the galaxy, would the Force even create Anakin Skywalker? If Palpatine and Plegious somehow removed themselves from the picture, the Force would not have created Anakin as a response to their dark side experiments. If it was just Count Dooku, it might have stayed a pacifist movement.
A real life way to describe the application of the mid rim and outer rim when you mention “grouping by sector” is how the major European powers carved parts of Europe, Africa, and the Middle East up after WW I.
It’s most prominent in the Balkan States and the Middle East where you had groups of people fundamentally and historically enemies. Yugoslavia is one, and Iraq in particular. The Kurds in northern Iraq were killed by Saddam with chemical weapons. Yugoslavia had a bunch of people forced together, most notably Kosovo.
Africa still has unrest once the European powers (mainly France and the UK) left. Heck, it took almost a hundred years for South Africa to sort itself out, and that’s counting its colony state. By African standards, that’s a fairly stable country. I’m not saying anything with Egypt because they are still sorting themselves out after the Arab Spring and Mubarak.
So I think you’re spot on with how that translates over to the Star Wars galaxy as a whole, whether it’s Republic, Empire, New Republic, or New Order. None of them have done a really good job of dealing with practical ruling, defense, and even standard of living. Unless you’re from the Core Worlds and have influence, you can pretty much forget about being treated fairly.
An army marches on its stomach.
just like in many RTS games
Economy is King
and economy is not just money its any resource you gather and use
Technically the resources are more important as money is simply a tool used to make the exchange and distribution of resources easier, if you think about it.
@@EyeOfMagnus4E201 missed the 2nd part of my comment
@@Sawtooth44 No, I just expanded on the 2nd portion of your comment by stating that the resources are actually more important than the money. Totally agree with your comment, btw. 👍
@@EyeOfMagnus4E201 money is a resource
materials are a resource
people are a resource
there are many resources and its all about having more then your enemy
EVA: Silos needed
As always it is a pleasure watching your videos.
Man I love this channel
The Republic set the stage for their own downfall.
I thought it was the Senate himself
Well the sith had little hand in ti
@@theliato3809 the Sith just seemed to learn where to push just enough.
@@isaackim7675 yes, me....
@@luisemoralesfalcon4716 they were the push on their own many tiems.
The New Sith in particualr are likely responsible for so thourougly screwing up the outer rim that the republic couldnt fix it properly
bro its so cool how allen finds new video ideas as hes making previous ones. that rhodia situation you first pointed out in a video or two ago is perfect example of this videos theme
Finally. Im having the hardest time understanding the trade block in the first movie and the chess that palpatine was playing.
This channel has me questioning the Jedi Order on a level that my younger self would slap me for thinking such things 😂😂😂
Short version:
The republic more or less gave corporations free range to colonize the outer rim. This let them avoid taxes and regulations at the cost of doing everything themselves: infrastructure, security, everything.
After a while the republic tried to bring them back into the fold, and in protest the trade federation blockaded Naboo. This is where TPM starts.
By encouraging them to invade, Palpatine shows how useless the current government is, getting the chancellor deposed and propelling himself into office.
As ever, a great informed & well researched episode.
"Amateurs talk about tactics, but professionals study logistics." Is a quote attributed to many great people of history from Alexander the Great to now.
Even the Mandalorian Wars weren't fought by the Republic alone, and they surely would've lost had Revan not stepped in when he did. Same deal here. The Jedi lost to the Nihl because they were by themselves with no support and no backup, tactically speaking.
Love your videos, their so well thought it...thank u boo
I like gen tech’s political takes I’m on the other side of the spectrum but you can really understand him and reasoning with the small excerpts
The pandemic really showed just how bad panic-buying and panic-hoarding can get. It’s important that we stock up during seasons of plenty, so that when times get tough, we’re more prepared.
Wouldn't core worlds have more Deadly radiation
Technically they’re the planets nearest to the core, but not actually in the core, so no. Good thinking, though. 👍
as for the bit at the end about logistics... when playing Hearts of Iron IV with some of my friends, I maintain a couple Elite divisions with priority supply but most of what I produce ends up as Lend-lease to the others... about 80% as I recall ends up as lend-lease... then of course there's also the license production of designs I make since I also tend to go for certain techs asap for instance torpedo launched mines so i can have subs deploying mines making it hard for the enemy to prevent me from doing so as they can't see the minelaying operations as easily...
Woo Hoo, first one to like and comment today! I appreciate all of the good videos from Generation Tech. Only channel where I tend to like every video!
Is that a scene from a movie 8:12
I think it's Batman vs Superman. I only saw it once years ago so I'm not 100%
Dolphin empire vs the vong, who would win?
as always the video was really good and thought provoking, only thing i would like to come back is the is the trademark line about the republic and democracy... dont know why but i find it calming.
Noticed something, didn't Find Jarin determine finally Mandalore IS still semi inhabitable after all??? Or was that whole series, someone... Maybe Boba Fett having a running dream arc in their mind
Some people here are too into the memetic hazard of 'small government'. If anything, the Galactic Republic has _too little_ bureaucracy... or at least a too-small unelected bureaucracy. People forget that civilizations require immense (adjusted for population size and technological context) bureaucracies to even _function_ let alone thrive. Yes, even ancient civilizations needed an immense bureaucracy (outside of Rome, the primary holders of the bureaucracy were the religious caste/social tier, not the people) to function.
Then there are the apparatuses to enforce that bureaucracy... which in both canons is _severely_ lacking in general (basically, the same situation that the USN currently faces: not enough personnel and material to do what the government is asking for it to do; Legends is especially atrocious given that the Judicial Forces have 'oh GOD so many' things to keep an eye on and practically nothing to cover with)...
Fascinating and compelling dive into an aspect of Star Wars History/Economy/Politics/Military that I never considered, even though as you point out there's a HUGE amount of lore behind this!
You know what they say a soldier to win a battle, but logistics to win a war.
To summarize it up: The Republic is too large. After all, the Republic will faced no problems such as shortage of manpower and resources if the Republic did not rule the entirety of the known galaxy. The Republic needed to share the galaxy with the other polities too even if they don't like them. That's why the Roman Empire lived so long after the Abbasid Caliphate came to be because the Abbasid Caliphate has no interest of besieging Constantinople but simply just raiding the Anatolian lands under the Romans for loots, slaves, symbolism and glory annually and the same also applied to the Roman Empire after the theme system is firmly applied into both the Balkans and Anatolia. I don't know if the same can be said about the First Bulgarian Empire and the Kievan Rus' but as long as their rights for trade, certain privileges and enclaves in Constantinople are maintained well, they really do not have problems with the Romans. Also, by alllowing the systems outside of the Republic to develop on their own, the Republic may actually found an ally like how the Roman Empire under the Isaurian dynasty formed an alliance with the Khazar Khaganate in the future. So yeah, this sounds good to me.
To be entirely honest, a single unifying government ruling a galaxy as diverse and vast as the star wars galaxy should never be seen as a good thing imo.
Trying to regulate and defend a territory that big is impractical in the extreme. Though general conflict might be higher I think things would be more stable if the galaxy was broken up into smaller alliances of worlds or small interstellar nations that were able to self govern and interact with other polities on a peer level.
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Those states would have been competing with each other, and sooner or later they'd be drawn into endless wars over territory and resources.
Look at Europe from the Roman Era to 1945.
Without some central body there would be no galactic peace and eventually one faction would achieve dominance.
And would eventually fracture and fall.
That's history.
@@kenle2 Yes because the endless reign of an uncaring elite without the strength to even enforce it's own laws or defend it's own people is infinitely better. Nothing is perfect, yout have to choose your poison.
It ruled over more like half of it.
And many of those worlds were from places colonized by the original republic members or joined of their own accord
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Didn't the Roman empire split and fall partly because it got too big to manage? Maybe the Star Wars galaxy should try going for a few smaller governments instead of one giant one?
The Old Republic was doomed from the start, after 1000+ yrs of peace they simply weren't accustomed anymore to war and its sad consequences. They should've mantained some token armed forces and a STRONG Navy. Their mistake remember me of the idiotic decommissioning that stroke the USA after ACW, some politicians suggested of disbanding the Navy, after all the USA would've NEVER fought again another war! Sometime I think that Ruslan 's reforms were "suggested," by some alien parasites, as in an old episode of ST-TNG, when a lot of Starfleet 's admirals are infected by aliens.
If a planet lacks an ecosystem that can support local farming (traditional or hydroponic) then it was probably never suitable for colonization in the first place. The problem with the Outer Rim is that most corporations were simply looking for resources (even though, scientifically speaking, the Deep Core should be more resource rich). This led to the creation of dependent colonies that were bad long term investments.
Do you know if there's lore about planets that were completely strip mined and either abandoned or rven made uninhabitable? I feel like that's something the corporations would do, just can't think of an example.
@@kingofhearts3185 - Yeah, but you don't really need people for that, just droids.
And that's somewhat pathetic for a space faring civilization. If you don't know how to make an agricultural ecosystem or indigenous self sustaining system for agriculture, you clearly have no business colonizing the planets and moons in your own system let alone worlds across the galaxy.
@@kingofhearts3185Cassian's original honeworld was left in such a condition, strip mined off all usable resources and then abandoned.
Palpatine been behind this engineered crisis BS😂
How did Tatoooween survive without space trade
It really didn't. Tatooine's economy was essentially that of a small town built around a gas station and a failing mine.
Its population wasn't that far off from one, either; the world had 80k to 200k people on it, including the Jawas and Tuskens, at any given time.
Hutt space literally nextdoor, not a planet literally an entire forth of the known galaxy, yeah the average person was poor, but it was economic hotspot for those willing to break the law
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Yes.
It was Tortuga during the Pirate Era or A drug transhipment town during the Cocaine wars.
Always love these deep dives into star Wars lore! Keep it up generation tech.
Now if you'll excuse me gotta hunt some dolphins
I am surprised a Char like character never appeared in Star Wars.
Wow Allen, it’s interesting how you continue to tie Star Wars lore into modern society. Educating myself on Geopolitics, I’ve learned that the U.S. is no longer interested or capable of patrolling the high seas for international commerce protection. This and wars in places like Ukraine has and will continue to create food insecurities in countries that import much of their food.
Logistics and supply chain management is definitely not a sexy subject but greatly important in our (and the Galaxy far, far away) ability to survive and thrive. I love how you make the connections Sexy. 😎
How was it, amateurs discuss military tactics or strategy. Professionals discuss logistics.
Why its important for everyone to be self reliant
Question this might be out of your field but can you do a video on what Grand admiral thrawn would think of Pokemon
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Dude, Russia is the world supplier of fertilizer. Before the Ukrainian conflict, 35% of the fertilizer the US used came from Russia alone.
7:48 How can this guy be so based
Totally understand the Confederacy perspective. During the pandemic, Earth got no help from the Republic!
To give an idea of how important logistics and economics are, the American logistical train is why the Axis lost World War II.
Military maxim:
"Amatures study tactics.
Professionals study logistics."
How come a lush planet lie Roda be so dependent on galactic trade Tatoooween was a desert
It was Cheaper for Rhodia to import food during peace compared to growing it locally, so their ability to grow food diminished because it wasn’t needed. Building a Farming system capable of supporting billions of individuals from scratch doesn’t happen overnight no matter how lush the climate so the planet starved
Why do so many of our non-desert countries rely on imported food?
They're poor and stupid.
MegaFlora and fauna doesn't necessarily mean kind to life in legends its goes deep into the fact that rodia is a highly polluted planet the toxins outside the dome making it damn near impossible for anyone who is a regular human to step outside the dome without major health concerns, think similarly in our world's history the Europeans trying to enter the interior of Africa before the development of proper immunization like yes they could go there but chances are they'd be dead in less than a year
Maybe they had large hydroponics agriculture systems which depended on materials brought in by the trade federation
What you say is very practical
I would kill to hear the Raxus Address
So... If kamino wasnt part of the republic, who was the kaminoan senator? Very curious. Curious indeed.
Kamino was allowed to automatically join the Republic when the Clone Wars began
We should make our supply chain more resilient so that in case of any war, people will not starve, and it can keep food and medical supplies flowing to the places that need it, especially with these uap in the skies because why would you create a whole new division of military
Good idea . Here's the thing though, in todays global economy making our supply lines more resiliant simply isn't profatable. Covid-19 has ensured opened up the idea of making our economy more resiliant but as long a no body think there is a major war coming and big buisness wants to keep making massive amounts of money with minimal expense than making our supply chain more resiliant simply won't happen until it is prehaps to late.
We had covid, followed by Russian aggression. We need to make our supply lines more resilent.
notice how deep the world is and how deep the subsequent discussion can be with what Lucas did, then look at Disney canon, short cut the end of the empire with battle of Jaku and then basically have the new republic as a failure from the very start just to make the disney trilogy's backstory make sense, which is extremely lazy, explain things with one big event, and just make everyone seem like idiots, the same government that somehow came from the Rebellion that organized against the empire. Ironically because of the battle of Jaku, being a lazy way to destroy the imperial fleet, in disney canon, the galaxy would be more intact and the economy much stronger than in Legends, yet somehow Legends New Republic was not that poor and inept.
Then look at legends that highlighted the ups and downs of the rebellion transitioning to the New Republic and dealing with the politics and military strategy of fighting against the empire. I guarentee you Thrawn's return in Timothy Zahn's trilogy will feel more epic than disney canon shadow council.
Yeah there’s a clear sense of history to the legends continuity for how things worked
We want the police we just don't want the messing with us for no reason. They're like we can only gather at church anywhere else and you can be arrested or worse. They see their cells more has overseeing us than helpers
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RED = diplomatic immunity
so the graindeal is the irl paralel
This is something I want to watch!
I live in the farm area of northern Arkansas so it’s like being on the outer rim and we will never die from starvation okay we might not get the food we like but we can still grow our food and keep from dying from starvation but we are still considered a flyover state and we don’t get much recognition from Washington DC and if they don’t get their act together we have succeeded from the republic before and we will have no problem doing that again but I love my country but that starts with my community not the people who live in a different state and when they try to make laws that go against what we were raised to believe in it will be a huge mistake so we will keep our guns thank you and you can keep your hands off of our stuff
And much like the Separatists, the last time y'all seceded, it was in the interests of a bunch of rich assholes wanting to retain their ability to abuse other people.
As a Hoosier I will say some times it's better to be ignored by uncle Sam then get his help
I still refuse to believe that the Republic, especially without any central military force, was anything but a chaotic hellhole ruled by petty tyrannical warlords. You CANNOT convince me that over a million species, 10s of millions of cultures, religions, languages, and political beliefs existed in harmony without threat of overwhelming force from a central authority. Here on Earth, I'm anti-authoritarian. But in Star Wars, I'm all for the Empire. Not Palpatine and Vader and Tarkin, but more of a Thrawn styled Empire.
Perhaps I'm too entrenched in Warhammer 40k. Perhaps that is coloring my ability to see the possibility of peaceful co-existence without threat of force being involved. Or perhaps I've seen too much in our own world. I've been to 9 different countries in Asia, Europe, and South America. Sometimes in a uniform and sometimes not. I've witnessed(and sometimes taken part in) racial, religious, political, and cultural conflicts. Perhaps all that has left me too jaded.
I used to look up to the Republic as 'the good guys'. But now that I don't really assign 'good guy' status to anyone above a small group(small community at the higher ends), I can't help but feel frustration and disgust with the Republic and it's do-gooder idealism. Especially whenever the reality is corruption and authoritarianism, greed and corporate power over all. I dunno man.
One solder requires a supply chain to function; someone to make their weapons, their armour, their ammo, their uniform, their rucksacks, their food, medicines, sleeping bag etc. Someone in a city requires someone to make their cafe latte, their crossiants, someone to reply to a complaint 😂
I just f9und out the "Vader Immortal" was a thing.
Serious question. Was the formation and existence of the Republic actually beneficial for the galaxy as a whole? Or was it just about power and wealth?
Yes.
Yes.
It last that long from promoted prosperity through trade and economic development as well as proper rule of law and common defense from the many pre russaan threats running around the galaxy
Logistics makes the world go round.
Star Wars needed a FedEx or UPS. Though they likely would have been corrupt CIS funders too.
Well young man, maybe the world will listen to you..giving this wise advice finally..but, I'm not going to hold my breath. I'm tired, and too old.
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Not true over policing in poor placing
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The whole point with defunding the police is that when departments don’t have the resources to cover for officers when they fuck up, they’ll be force to do a better job. No one wants to remove them completely. You can divert the fundings elsewhere, towards helpful prevention instead of violent reaction.
People hate the police because police easily get away with bullshit and giving them more money will not help, not to mention that the system was never designed with everyone’s best interest in mind.
If police are held accountable to the same degree as any other profession when they fuck up, maybe people would feel safer having them around.
Historically speaking, all too often if a security or police force is successful at reducing crime in their given area of patrol, political voices will often make the erroneous assumption that since there is less crime then a reduction in the size/capabilities of the police force should be implemented. This false assumption and implementation typically has one of two, if not both, outcomes all but inevitable: 1. The reduced police force allows criminal activity to increase. And/or: 2. The police force that is to lose a percentage of its funding is prone to falsify criminal activity, persecute innocent persons, ignore the rights of individuals, or any other kind of illegal activity in order to continue receiving current if not increased funding.
I would also like to point out two other failings in the law enforcement/justice system: First, there is not a strong enough overwatch of law enforcement departments, the internal affairs department is highly inadequate. Second, there is too much of a fraternization between personal of law enforcement and of the judicial department. This fraternization jeopardizes the integrity of the three branches of government system. If the courts are too friendly with police, then the courts are liable to overlook discrepancies and even any kind of crime that law enforcement personnel perform.
As an unfortunate victim of law enforcement and judicial corruption, I do agree that defunding or eliminating them is not the answer. Stricter oversight, recruitment, and training are a more logical solution. Give incentive to remain honest and enforce reprimandations against offending personnel. Being a good police officer means stopping criminals even if they are police officers, because once they begin breaking the law, they become criminals and not law enforcement. Allowing criminals to thrive in the departments of law enforcement brings a negative perception of the entire police force which makes for a negative relationship between law enforcement and the community of which they serve, thus making the job of legitimate police work much more difficult. Stop the criminals inside and your job will be easier outside.
All easier said than done, cannot be denied. But saying it at least gives it any chance to get done.
Evidence based policy is best
It would be better writing if the army was for the highest bider
The Republic and US Military Policy is pretty similiar. So.. is There gun rights in The Republic?
In Legends at least, it differed from planet to planet.
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If you can grow, mine, or make it yourself, you should do so. Your most favored trading partner today may become your most hated enemy tomorrow, or someone else might cut the chain between you.
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you guys make great videos, but lets be real the High Republic is not Star Wars it is just Disney trash
7:50 How about talking where it comes from before going into pro cop, one sided takes? If youre going to walk into this field, speak more broadly, even if you arent going to hide your biases.
He wasn't being bias he simply stated both sides of the argument go back and listen to your own time marker he said your side of it too I think MAYBE you are letting your own bias show
@Thelazybaboon-kn3dc What both sides of the argument?
He made a MAJOR assumption in stating that the worst thing to happen *ever* was cops not patrolling areas where African American people lived.
If you can't see what a major faux pas that is when looking at even a basic history book, we have nothing more to discuss.
Your biases are even more glaring than his.
I love you fam, but your bad take on cops is just completely uneducated.
Been a subscriber for years and watch every vid you put out. Would you consider trying to sound more lively rather than dower? Star Wars is a fun subject but you don't seem even remotely excited anymore. Sounds like you're reading a book report aloud to a class but you hated the material. We'd prefer to hear the excitement we know you have, in your presentation
What? Sure how many other people you listen to but he is extremely knowledgeable on the subject matter and delivers it very well. He also includes sarcasm and humor in the subject matter the timely way
I mean you could play it at 1.25 speed it’ll make me sound like a chipmunk which is funnier
@@ChristopherSloane That has nothing to do with delivery. Sounding like you're bored or uninterested is the opposite of engaging. Not a hard concept to grasp.
@@GenerationTech You're already on 1.5 speed my friendly chipmuch :D
Still doesn't make you sound more engaged though. This was only meant to be constructive
Great videos but please stick to Star Wars analysis. You don’t have to reference black history and development if you don’t fully understand it.
African Americans demanded removal of the police
Full of pro cop BS.
He spoke on both sides of a difficult debate for literally less than 30 seconds each if that is too much for you I think you need to spend some time outside