How Effective Is Sinovac? Inactivated Virus VS mRNA Vaccine | Talking Point | COVID-19
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- Опубліковано 15 сер 2021
- As of 9th August, over 81,000 in Singapore have gotten their first dose of the Sinovac vaccine. Why are some choosing it over the mRNA vaccines which have an efficacy of over 90%? Join Steven Chia as he speaks to experts to find out everything there is to know about Sinovac. Steven also follows a 32- year-old veterinarian on her Sinovac vaccine journey to find out why the vaccine’s 51% efficacy doesn’t concern her at all.
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Fully vaccinated with Sinovac since last month. Tested positive with COVID 19 this week. Felt like a normal common cold. In fact I had worst common colds before. Moral lesson: "The best vaccine, is what's available for you".
the virus came from vaccine
so stay away from people atleast a month
@@arvobrendon4267 Lol I recommend you read CDC's website 😊
So the vaccine helps...? You had worse common cold before the sinovac ..but when tested positive now ur common cold seems like nothing...
@@ChickenCluck it did, I would've been in a worse condition if it wasn't for the vaccine. I really have bad seasonal colds / flu. My body is just built that way. It's "nothing "perse that I'm asymptomatic, i feel something but not to the point that I feel like dying, you know. Take meds prescribed by your physician, eat healthy, drink lots of water yadda yadda yadda to make you comfortable and your immune system would work as the days progress.
@@xiufairy_99 CDC dont own vaccine they cant answer your question if you ask the truth
im vaccine seller and investor too
we all know what vaccine are for
I've noticed the more I avoid cable news and social media the more normal things are.
Noticed the same.
Tell me it's normal to live in a world with obese people so fat they need scooters to buy food...
@@peach7469yes its normal. im not obese and i use motor daily for work, also for food lol it just would take too much time on a bicycle
amen havent watched that garbage with all the ads for a long time
@@peach7469 it would only really be troublesome if the fat obeses would need oversize cars like SUV's.. oh wait nevermind
At the end of the day, it’s all up to your body, no matter which brand you had choosing all came with risks.
... .Wich is much smaller than not taking any vaccine at all...
@@maxmorrel1820 that's the point, better safe than sorry
Yesss they have all risk but moderna and Pfizer are tested with low risk and more effective 95%.
Whereas Sinovac the CCP had low efficacy with unknown risk hidden by CCP . All manufactured under secrecy.
@@ZxLayER low efficiency at 1.4 billion of their own citizens?
It’s not about the risk. It’s about vaccine mandate that i have problems with
I hope people who have a choice with their vaccines see how privileged they are to even have a choice. Some countries don't even have a choice, they can only have what is offered to them by the government.
And I live in that country called US. They picked Pfizer and gave that to me. I really want the vaccines made in China, Iran, Cuba or Russia.
All vaccines are good. My point here is that having a choice is already a privilege in itself.
Exactly. Why the hell did they have to change the way vaccines were made to Mrna?
If you would ask developing countries which vaccine they would prefer, they would actually go for the vaccines that have mRNA technology because of its high efficacy rate against COVID. But then again, they don't have the privilege of choice.
Yes like Philippines, they only give you Sinovac because they are corrupt af
The report from Indonesia that 350 health care workers in the Indonesian city of Kudus became infected with the CoV-2 Delta variant in spite of being fully-vaccinated with Sinovac is technically true, but somewhat misleading. In Kudus, it turns out that 5,000 health care workers were fully-vaccinated with Sinovac. Of those 5,000, 350 became infected with the Delta variant. This means that 4,650 did not become infected with the Delta variant. This means that Sinovac was 93% effective in preventing Delta variant infection in Indonesian health care workers in Kudus. Since health care workers in in-hospital settings are repeatedly exposed to CoV-2 variants (currently the Delta variant), it is reasonable to assume that the protection of an ordinary Indonesian (or even Singaporean) citizen who is fully-vaccinated with Sinovac (and in an out-of-hospital setting) is at least as good as that of the Kudus data (which is 93% protection), if not higher. This is very good news for people fully-vaccinated with Sinovac. But remember, if you say "93% protection with Sinovac against Delta variant" , it's not news. But if you say "350 Kudus health care workers got infected in spite of Sinovac", it's big news. Just saying.
This should read by people, keep it up bro
This! People should realize that vaccine efficacy rate is determined by how many people are getting infected vs the total.
One month ago, when our population that receive vaccine in capital city is just as low as 10%, the case was so high, now when 100% of population have recieved 1 shot of vaccine (AZ and Sinovac) the case is is just 1/10 of one month ago.
Even if you aren't fully vaccinated, 1 shot still protects you from covid 19.
Sinocrap is just glucose jabs laced with hallucinogens
Up to this. Knowledge is power.
This is really poor. Two "journalists" asking leading questions to get the answers they want. Mediacorp, do better.
pfizer has only 39% efficacy & not 95%!!!
Jay, the interviewed veterinarian makes the key point that Sinovac uses traditional inactivated virus compared with new mRNA vaccines. She says she was concerned about long term side effects of the available alternatives. Later, Dr Loh stated he recommended the mRNA vaccines based on real-time data derived from administering millions of doses ( measured in months, not years). In other words, those being vaccinated are participating in a long term clinical trial. Pity he didn't mention adverse reaction data available in the U.S VAERS system.
EXACTLY there is ZERO data on the long term effects of teh Mrna eperimental vaccines and the fact they were dissing Sinovac and trying to get people to take the Phizer CLEARLY TELLS me take the inactivated one and stick with what has proven to work over generations and not somethign they are still experimenting with
The doctor probably didnt know the existing of US VEARS data online. The datas scare me.
All vax are not good.
The reporter fail to explain the difference between vaccince effiacy vs effectiveness. Effective means vaccines stops you from dying when you catch covid, effacy means you may have syptoms if you catch covid.
Also the annual flu vaccines has effacy of between 30 to 60 percent. So 50% is actually very good
Also did not mention that efficacy is now 41% after a few months!
as we know, vaccine efficacy rate is determined on how many people are getting infected during clinical trials. But these 2 mrna vaccines were clinically tested in rich countries who have better housing, food supply and in a controlled environment. Sinovac is mainly tested on developing countries who have poor housing and large population as well, not to mention where all the covid variants mutated. I'm not against them, it's just that it's unfair to roast these chinese and russian vaccines where in fact they were the ones that is tested in real life scenario. I would suggest Pfizer and Moderna should do the same clinical trial
Right? I'm surprised how that one Dr. just blatantly said vaccines with higher efficacy are better. He's a doctor for goodness sake! Where has his credibility gone? Information on efficacy can be easily found and he just straight-faced lie?
I don't think that makes a difference. When you want to calculate the efficacy of a vaccine, you don't calculate the number of covid cases among a group of vaccinated people. In order to tell the efficacy, you have to compare a vaccinated group and a placebo group (I can't send the link but you can find an article from the WHO website and the title is "vaccine efficacy, effectiveness and protection"). So thie efficacy doesn't depend on the country.
@@user-pi1jf2fu3f that’s pretty much what i said, just needed to expound. Anyway, I wouldn’t trust WHO right now since they’ve been inconsistent since the start of pandemic (remember they said we don’t need to wear mask, but then they take it back. They also said covid is not airborne but turns out it is airborne). I suggest you watch the video from Vox titled- “Why you can’t compare covid-19 vaccines”, that video will explain how pfizer and moderna got a high efficacy while j&j got a low one. In short, the pfizer and moderna clinically trialed their vaccine without the variant outbreak and at low peak of covid
@@LasdilElizaga I think you can trust the WHO on this information as that doesn't seem to be a covid19 pandemic knowledge but more a general knowledge. If you want, you have this information on wikipedia which really walks through what's the vaccine efficacy over formulas and examples.
Regarding the last point of your comment, the efficacity of the vaccines have happened to be updated. The update takes into account the delta variant. Maybe the critics were fair at a moment, but it's different now on my opinion.
@@LasdilElizaga The "inconsistency" you witness is how science works, whereas change is imminent when new (reliable) data is presented. People generally "see" the end results, not the process on how the results were obtained that's why it looks "inconsistent". So yeah, you can definitely trust WHO since the changes are proof that its a scientific organization.
Got sinovac because i did my research and studies. No following blindly from media garbage
Good that you haven't been brainwashed by the West.
Kudos
I got mine too n felt 10years younger, healthier. CNA is a good ambassador for western big pharma.
Well the best vaccine is from where the virus is made of you know 🤷
@@lloydz7628 A lot of evidence is showing the virus might be coming from USA, dun ask me for evidence to prove, it's already all over the net and you go see for yourself
I've had my two shots of Sinovac and thankfully enough both times the only side effect I'd have to bear with was a sore arm and that was it
is it good to drink more water , 1day before & after
THANKFULLY you did not die. For Sinuvac , not being effective is the BEST scenario
the efficacy rate is based on how, where and when the human trial was set up. so it is very subjective and not a definite answer that one vaccine is better than the other.
What are you talking about?! There is no such thing as a "subjective" efficacy rate. They are all objectives you can not change human trial vaccine data to suit a geopolitical narrative.
@@JasonRMJ Yat didn't mention politics. Point is, that trials were run in different countries, with different populations, run at different times which means different prevalences of the virus in circulation and different variants in circulation which means different results.
@@JasonRMJ there is other/innate immunity, which mean subjective. There is only equation on paper, no experiment. And people call that science -_-
@@JasonRMJ ua-cam.com/video/K3odScka55A/v-deo.html
I seem to get the feeling that this news agency is pro-MRNI... Well, one who yields power, yields the "truth" So they say!
The point is sinovac vaccines is old school and I want that.
I do the same.
I got Sinovac and I don't want it. I had no choice because of the impending lockdown in our country just before august because no one is allowed to complain about government overreach if I can go to the grocery and wait our company sponsored moderna vaccines in september.
Thats my point also, thats why i dont want my second shot of moderna😭 i want to take sinovac now😭
@@triadwarfare i'd wait sometime if i were you. My close friend suffered from chest pain & shortness of breath for months now. She took pfizer. Went to clinic & hospital they couldn't figure out what's wrong with it.
@@MuhammadIqbal-we5mu your friend is from china? her name is pooh xi bear right?
During the Tokyo Olympic games, the Chinese team has no COVID-19 cases reported, while other teams had many cases!
That proven
how did u know they took sinovac instead of sinopharm? apparently sinopharm's efficacy is higher
Chinese people follow rules. Others esp. the Caucasians do not. Vaccines can only work to certain extent. Wearing mask at all time and staying away from crowds matter more.
I got my first shot, waiting on the bartender for my 2nd one.
I can't believe that people are getting cocktail vaccines..
@SRPK De Music
Exactly dear Friend me too.
Those shity soups . With rna dna chemicals substances . We wouldn't eat those soups . Why we accept those soups in injection in our body
@SRPK de Music
"Pus from animals, polluted products of foreign DNA or RNA, cancer cells and chemical additives of all kinds. We wouldn't eat those filthy soups. Why do we mindlessly accept that they have to be injected into us?"
-Dr Jean Meric
Lol🤣🤣🤣
@@metothemoon1227 Oh wow!! This shii is scary!
I think the efficacy rates should be updated in the event they have changed.
There seems to be some form of Bias-ness in this reporting. I think its worth noting that the 95% efficacy for Pfizer was based the observation of 170 covid infected volunteers alone. Not to mention, the report in Chile in the New England Medical Journal has supported the fact that Sinovac has higher efficacy than the supposed 50% and that is reflecting a real world data. Yes even though the mRNA vaccine definitely has higher efficacy, but most of its data came from clinical trials. In terms of real world data, Israel has already reported that Pfizer is not very effective against the Delta variant..and most importantly that all vaccines need booster shots. Not just Sinovac but Pfizer as well.
What to expect?
Can Dr Loh tell us will there be any adverse side effects from Pfizer and Moderna vaccines 10-20 years from now??? Dr Loh biasely mentioned millions have taken the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines and they are very safe but that is now...what about 10-20 years from now????
1 shot sinovac barely any provide any protection any against the Lambda variant 3-4% efficacy. 2 shot is still quite poor with just over 50% efficacy. Maybe a poor comparison as we don't know how effective mRNA vaccines are against Lambda as most South American countries do not have much available until later this year.
@@jasonang2105 Dr Loh basically mentioned something on the line that mRNA has been used before etc but didnt mention it has never been used before for vaccine purposes and that the potential for adverse effects is unknown.
@@MegaMrWrong Hi Wing, may i know where did you get the 3-4% efficacy as i would love to read about it. Its true that 50% efficacy was reported but i think its also good to remember that the efficacy was based on clinical trials in Brazil where there was an outbreak of a prevalent virus which i believe it is Alpha variant and that the real world data has shown the efficacy to be much higher. The 50% efficacy was because the authorities took into account very mild cases into the data which doesnt require clinical assistance. If you exclude this population, the efficacy apparently is around 78%. But with regards to severe hospitalisation and death, the efficacy is much higher. S basically i think its important to note that efficacy comparison between vaccines may not be so straightforward.
I love how misleading and biased this report was.
this video could be classified as misinformation campaign
Selling Ko Yok
I dropped by just to read the comments. Didn’t bother to watch the video because I anticipated misinformation. It’s nice to see comments from people who are clear minded and think rationally 😊
Wei Du, their correspondent in Hong Kong needs to get fired. I am Canadian, both my wife and I got vaccinated with 2 shots of Pfizer, as it is the safest in Canada. I had 3 days of diarrheas and my wife was sick with mild fever for 4 days. Both of us had muscle and joint pains for 4 days. I wonder how much Wei got paid by Pfizer, I would like some of that money lmao.
@@shnmak2958 Haha - I feel the same - didnt bother to watch as it will be a painful experience! Just observng comments.
Fully vaccinated with Sinopharm vaccine (also inactivated virus vaccine), it was harder to wake up the next day after both shots, but other than that no obvious side effects.
But Sinovac is dirt
Yes they should update the efficacy rate of SINOVAC if they believe its one of the best
It's not.
@@lolipedofin what is better vaccine bro
@@khalifa8967 pfizer for mRNA, Probably Sputnik for Viral Vector. I'm inclined to say all the vaccines are good, even Sinovac is better than nothing, but it's definitely not better than the rest.
It's just the grass always greener thing, majority of vaccines here are sinovac, and I know a lot of people who waited for pfizer shots to be available. I was lucky to be given AZ or Sinovac option, I immediately opted for AZ.
People said whole virus vaccines is the proven tech and how it is always been done. Here's the reverse angle, it's an old tech, and Sinovac had bad track record and their clinical trial is one of the least transparent. Not to mention the risk of ADE from whole virus vaccine.
@@lolipedofin for short the better one is pfizer?
@@khalifa8967 Very very short TL;DR, yes... Pfizer.
But I'm sticking with the best vaccine is what is available to you immediately, even Sinovac. But you should probably look for booster immediately when it is available.
Thank you CNA and Steven Chia for this very interesting and informative report on the Sinovac Vaccine. Foreigners aged 60 and older can finally receive the Vaccine free here in Thailand. I had my Sinovac shot and will receive my second AZ shot on September 6th here in Hua Hin, Thailand. Only mild symptoms that cleared up fairly quickly; mild feeling of being warm and a mild headache at the 4th hour post shot. I am aged 74 and retired here in Thailand. Thank you to all of the folks who contributed to your wonderful and down to earth report! Best Wishes, Rob Allen.
I don't get it - you got Sinovac AND ASTRA - ZENECA???!
Oh I wrote it just before they explained that part .. . . Very peculiar, had no idea it was done :O
It's all about business...PERIOD
yes, not about your health! so be careful with News that is posted more for promoting their 'propaganda'. They are nothing but misinformation!
Yeah! "Everybody wants to rule the world." by Tears for Fears
Look at how singapore has been pushing it on tv. Disgusted!
15:00 They just mention the number of medical workers that got infected after vaccination... they dont mention how many days they didnt work at all or even if they went to work right away. By the looks and the situation it seems they just went back to work immediately.
I know several first responders, one in particular her daughter tested positive for covid, she called her employer ( hospital ) and they told her if she didn't have any symptoms to come back to work, really messed up if you ask me
And the total number of persons vaccinated was not mentioned... Only those who got infected were stated which is BTW insignificant percentage wise. ;)
@@kenl.4594 very true, they want to get away with the people that got infected just to make it seem like getting that vaccine is the worst thing if you have no other options.
My friend has high blood pressure, heart issue, diebetes and jaundice. He has completed full Sinovac jab a month before he was infected with Covid19. He only has mild cough and headache. No lung problem. He only spend a week in hospital and coming back to work a week after that. I guess Sinovac really did its wonderful work on him.
To me it's about getting the job done. Me and my parent we are tested positive weeks ago, we have taken pfizer vaccine back in Mar and also with mild to almost no symptoms. We were asked to do home recovery and recovered from the virus after 10 days.
I have asthma with no shot and covid was annoying at most. No cough and I only felt sick for 12 hours.
It's not because the sinovac is less effective, it's because vaccination rate is low in Indonesia. This report is biased.
Selling Ko Yok in the old days
Not forgetting there's lots more KTV clusters in Indonesia and Thailand🤣
true
Stupid comment, pns dokter tentara dll yg udh disuntik sinovac tetep kena covid sampai masuk rs bahkan ada yg meninggal
@@hypestreet5285 gw tinggal di amrik , sama kayak disini yg disuntik pfizer juga dokter banyak yg mati juga
There are breakthrough cases with mRNA vaccines as well. The lesson is to NOT be complacent even if you have been vaccinated.
Or... dont give a Fuk and just live... do you know the survival rate of covid? Like 99.9 to 99.7 at worst
@@ca6360 wait ive also heard this before but is this fr? like do u have any links or something official?
@@yaren-ht8lg official? That's funny, those who control official control the narrative, the funding , publishing and research... like John D ROCKEFELLER used to control all the official
@@ca6360 yeah u didnt helped me at all lmao english is not my first language i was just asking for a source or like is this percent truly correct
@@yaren-ht8lg the CDC website
Got my Sinovac, double shot. Very smooth, no side effects. Perfect. After six months will get the booster and I am very happy and grateful
How could one be happy of injecting foreign substance into their own body.
@@missplainjane3905 Ever heard 'prevention is better than cure'😉
@@ashiyajung9325
It doesn't prevent the virus.
@@missplainjane3905 As a covid survivor.. I can say it prevent the worse case
@@ashiyajung9325
I know there are people who don't have the virus yet but they died after getting jab.
Completed my sinovac vaccine.
First dose March 18, 2021
Second dose April 15, 2021
I’m still alive.😇
CNA is joining the league of BBC soon I guess
Yeah, this whole video seemed to have an "anti-Sinovac" perspective. Sad that racially Chinese people would be so brainwashed by MSM to be so anti-China.
@@tutanota7421 They are embracing 'White' or 'Colonial' Supremacy! after all, the first language is English. Some would prefer "Western" parents if possible. They will wake up after they get bashed up in places that are "anti-Asian" allies. US, UK,Canada, Australia and New Zealand. CNA- what rubbish they market themselves as "The Asian Perspective"
Obviously
Actually, a lot of whites don't buy into this vacs cr*p. Some just take it because forced to for work reasons or even peer/family pressure. Still many refuse it - for example you can see the protests in France over vacs passes. Asians, Chinese especially the more educated ones, should learn to be sceptical of "authority" and mainstream Western media. But all I see are 'robots' just blindly accepting what media and authorities say.
CNA should ask your own questions instead of copying western media scripts. Start asking questions for yourself.
I'm very heartened to see (based on the comments here) that many netizens are able to see through such biased reporting by CNA. The media bias against sinovac has been indeed deafening. Sinovac is made using basically the same method as the normal yearly flu vaccine. Are these anti-sinovac people saying that those annual flu vaccines that doctors and experts have been encouraging us to take year after year are also not effective?
It's part of the US-lead, Western media propaganda to convince people that "China bad". As most people don't have the time to critically think about the news they are consuming, it's particularly effective in English speaking countries.
is covid the same as the flu? if every medicine use the same old traditional method, then where do breakthroughs come from? you mean the way to treat every illness is the same? without scientists coming up with newer innovation for vaccines, you think people will be able to overcome newer viruses in their times like polio, tetanus or HEP A/B? covid =/= flu
Flu vaccines actually have low efficacy due to the mutation speed of rhinoviruses. Plus, it is widely reported that those who do not have the flu prior to innoculation, got infected with the flu virus.
Make your own conclusions.
@@jascforfun7576 Its US led as well as $$profit driven. Sg Temasek/GIC are big investors in both Pfizer and Moderna. And when $$Billions are involved, its hard to trust capilaits pharmas.
@@silverscourer I never got a flu shot as getting it is not that serious, and we get a different version of it every year anyway.
For me sinovac is safer, traditional.
Got my first dose of sinovac 3Days ago... No adverse effects so far
I'm fully vaccinated with sinovac and i choose it over mrna...
In Israel, it seems the effect of mRNA vaccines after 6 months go descrese also. They have prepared their third injection
As of now it is unclear what's the cause for this. There is a statistical correlation which suggests(!) that the vaccine has become less effective but the reason could very well be something else like too many precautions (masks, limited public events, etc.) being lifted too quickly or people becoming too careless. Once the exact cause is known, targeted measures can be taken, but as of now the 3rd injection is just a result politicians not knowing what to do, while scientists and statistics ppl try to figure out the causal connections.
All antibodies generated by the vaccine decrease and disappear in time as the person is never exposed to the virus. But the immune system remembers how to make that specific antibody if ever it encounters that virus again. Just think about this, you were vaccinated against polio, hep A, hep B, measles, etc. only once, probably when you were a kid. They didn't need to vaccinate you year after year.
@Tim Loo A traditional method does not equal a good method. The inactivated virus/ bacteria method tends to produce low efficacy vaccines in many instances. Examples are those of cholera, typhoid and Whooping cough. Sinovac falls into this category as well.
Also, it has failed to make good vaccines for viruses like HIV and Herpes.
And a look at how Sinovac is working in Chile and Indonesia, its effectiveness falls even faster than any MRNA vaccine
@@geraldmaxwell3277 Pfizer/BioNTech covid vaccine is only 39% effective against delta variant, a latest medical report was shown by Israeli health ministry. So what is the efficacy of Sinovac vaccine against delta variant?
@Tim Loo Nobody claimed that mRNA is a panacea or that it prevents infection in 100% of cases. Also, have you even watched the video? Sinovac is so bad, that many people require a 3rd injection with another vaccine as it doesn't seem to countinue working after a half a year.
As for what's happening in Israel, the rise in numbers could also be caused from lifting restrictions too quickly or due to people acting recklessly, induced by overestimating the amount of protection they recieve. A cause has yet to be found!!
Btw, that's why I placed the exclaimation mark behind "a statistical correlation which suggests" in my first post - we don't know the cause yet, there is some very weak evidence, but that might aswell turn out to be misleading. That's the tricky part about interpreting statistics and has happened often enough to be a common phenomenon…
Interpreting statistics example: Many ppl. who own a Porsche, are rich.
Correllation: "There seems to be some kind of connection between being rich and owning a Porsche."
Wrong interpretation: "People are rich, because they own a Porsche."
Numbers/trends alone do often lead to the wrong conclusions and all possible reasons that may cause an event have to be evaluated in order to be able to make a definitive statement that explains cause and effect.
This programme presented as if only Sinovac may need a booster shot, but
just look at Israel,UK and USA
true. All vaccines are not super good against the new variants. All need new shots.
Only dxxx people believe in western propaganda. Yet, many Sporeans fell for it.
We shouldn't admit that there is a country called Israel BTW! It is occupied Palestine.
we just need to look at the surged in cases locally.
@@lesliechua5535 Spore govt still said that those new cases are asymptomatic and mild cases. lol. Just wait until there are hospitalization cases just like in Israel and USA.
Doned first and second does of sinovac, i dont get any sides effects, once got the jab, straight away do gardening, drink coffee and tea, eat durian. So far so good.
Me too, straight to work as usual.
don’t eat durian, an 60 yrs old guy died after taking 2nd dose, he died while eating durian, if ur think it’s a joke then ignore this
Is deffinitely joke. You good.
Same here.
I absolutely reject being a guinea pig to mrna vacs!
same here. went straight to graveyard shift work
Thanks for the video.
My questions to you：
1) Have we heard enough side effects like cardiac arrest for mRNA vaccinations in SG and globally?
2) Why have Israel, the UK, the USA, and many other countries providing mRNA vaccinations seen a surge of cases after achieving a 70% inoculation rate nationwide? Doesn't it show the effectiveness of mRNA vaccination in real life? Don't they need to provide a booster dose
3) Inactivated vaccination has stood the test of time for decades and how long is it for mRNA technology? You know emergency use is not equivalent to full clinical trials right?
Be unbiased, please.
1) Most likely, at least compared to ones administering the cheaper traditional vaccines which correlate to the same places where human lives are cheap and political embarrassments are seen as a sovereign threat. Also consider how the news loves to dramatize novel/rare incidents over classic/mundane ones, much like plane crashes over car crashes.
2) Breakthrough infections are expected, what really matters is how bad it gets for those infected. For example over 100 medical personnel fully inoculated by Sinovac died in the same timeframe that none were reported lost who had mRNA jabs. And likely there's more underreporting in those places more reliant on those Chinese alternatives.
www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/indonesia-reports-record-number-doctor-deaths-covid-19-july-2021-07-18/
3) mRNA has been undergoing trials for over a decade now, and looks to be more promising in the long run because of its faster turnaround (just swap some of the genetic code and not need to incubate entire batches in millions of chicken eggs afterwards) and stronger response (it's likely these targeted proteins are less noisy than inactivated whole virus particles, so the antibodies you make will bond better to the pathogens as they come). Clinical trials were accelerated because the next phases were begun as soon as it was deemed safe to proceed, instead of waiting on the long pauses of data processing in between; the "emergency use" is simply another such acceleration while the data gets compiled into its final form. It's likely that mRNA vaccines in general will be deemed as safe as inactivated virus ones because of how many more people have taken mRNA vaccines compared to a smaller traditional trial of any medicine, especially since mRNA fundamentally only have a couple components whose only real change would be the genetic sequence in the payload.
@@doujinflip I have to disagree with u for no.3, I have looked US data. I am not against vaccination but what I see is not enough to make me believe your point.
If it's as useless as they claimed, why the change in govt policy on Sinovac now? Clearly a less than convincing attempt to cover up for the govt's backpedaling, and disappointingly, CNA is in the thick of it.
For some reason, the Ministers and Main Stream Media were vigorously pushing Modena and Pfizer only but not the other vaccines. I wonder why?
@@davidong3776 Temasik Holdings has US$250m investment in BionTech?
Dear LNY, thank you for sharing. I did not know.
@@davidong3776 You know that Pfizer has a large manufacturing plant in Tuas, don't you?
Dear LNY, I see. Thank you for sharing. Now the obvious question is the trade-off or price for the foreign direct investment in the plant made by BioNTech and the compromise arising from Temasek’s investment I suppose. Your information sets the parameters for critical thought, analysis, criticism and query and I would have expected the journalist worth anything at all in CNA to raise, probe, investigate or comment.
Pls do a follow up video regarding this, thanks ü
There had already been talk about booster shots in the US for some time prior to this video. With everyone being vaccinated with MRNA there, how is this different from requiring boosters for the Sino vaccines? At the end of the day they'll all require reinforcement after their effect wanes.
While the govt tries her best to be impartial while making her best judgement, I just want to say that it's a blessing that we have 2 very different types of vaccines to choose from. It's a win win for both sides and so let's not be so harsh on the other side in return ~ since we all got what we want in the end.
Discrimination against those who CANNOT accept mRNA but yet Still NO Non mRNA vaccine available on National Program.
Worst than Racism
Don't take any of them.
Hundreds of medical workers infected with COVID despite Sinovac shots. Hundreds out of how many medical workers adminustered Sinovac in total??? Still not mentioned the data completely. Even with mRNA vaccines, Israel sees a spike in cases and starts to plan and adminster the 3rd dose.
Thats how media work. Misleading.
Sinocrap is just glucose jabs laced with hallucinogens
@@AdolfHitler-si3ze Please show where you got this information!
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That's A 1 mth OLD FAKE ACCOUNT Spewing 💩💩💩🙄
Dun Expect ANY Constructive
@@vincecarlo Thank you very much for informing me.
Cheers.
such a slap in the face when pfizer annouced third shot booster since april and the reporter seemed surprised, i wonder why, maybe this reporter wasn't watching the news since then
If you have to be persuaded, reminded, pressured,
lied to, incentivized, coerced, bullied, socially shamed,
guilt tripped, threatened, punished and criminalized .....
If all of this is considered necessary to gain your
compliance ..... You can be absolutely certain
that what is being promoted is not in your best interest.
And?
Agree 👍
People should have the right to choose whether to get vaccinated or not. We just need to be responsible in protecting ourselves with the basic health protocols - masks, distancing, handwashing, etc.
Israel and Serbia have about the same population, and both have high vaccination rate. Israel doesn't use Sinovac but Serbia does. So far, it doesn't appear to me that Israel is doing any better than Serbia as far as dealing with Delta variant is concerned.
We don't use Sinovac only Sinopharm, I myself took the Pfizer, the delta variant is still not dominant here and when it becomes we are going to hell again, many people who got the Chinese one didn't develop antibodies, the whole world is recommending RNA boosters except here, I'm gonna get the Moderna in October for third dose.
Pfizer/BioNTech covid vaccine is only 39% effective against delta variant, a latest medical report was shown by Israeli health ministry.
@@Georgeklee Correct
, still better than the Chinese ones.
@@alexbecar977 not true . Vs the Delta variant Chinese doctors said no need booster yet and still effective.
Pfizer quoted 39%( dont believe their figures) and almost immediately want to use boosters after so soon to increase efficacy .
I have a video about vaccines ...
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@@alexbecar977 the "whole" world is recommending mRNA is because of the influence of western media. The so-called whole world usually means US. Right from the beginning mRNA has been packaged as the ultimate solution. many "research reports" bragged about its efficacy as a forever lasting vaccine. but 6 months later, they all changed their stand. CDC even claimed the current vaccine may not work against new variants in future. No one is dubious about the effectiveness of mRNA but the American media and pharmaceutical corporations were too boastful about it. From being the holy grail in the beginning to the present "may not be effective" is too drastic for people to accept.
All the negative reviews did not affect Sinovac sales at all. Inactivated vaccines sell itself.
China made covid
@@ChrisB-cx6td sure sure...American developed covid virus, tested in china and upgraded in india.. FIFY..
@@ChrisB-cx6td varian delta India, most mortality.
Well true. "The inactivated platform" is kinda selling point of Sinovac. It is strong marketing point with people who does not want to have severe side effect. Or peope with allergy etc.
But, the selling point of mRNA which is "much higher efficacy" is also undebatable at this time.
@@kocannery3596 You seem to know people from the inside to get this information, introduce me?
I believe the 51% efficacy rate quoted by your expert was based on frontline medical staff in Brasil with high exposure to the virus, whereas a more representative sample would be a fairer comparison, like the town of Serrano [also in Brasil] where everyone there was vaxxed with Sinovac [or perhaps Sinopharm - not sure which - btw, why did Sg only also s/vac & not s/pharm?] which achieved max efficacy, with just one person falling ill [she was the only person who refused the vax].
My understanding also is that the main objective of any vax is to get the body's immune system to recognise (& combat via producing anti-bodies) when exposed to the virus, so it is only natural that the anti-bodies will decrease over time. However, the immune system is already then primed to produce more anti-bodies should the person get re-infected. So I suspect the reduced presence of anti-bodies the longer the time span from the last vaxx is a bit of a red herring but perhaps an additional precaution to boost the presence of these a-bs.
Similar to getting seasonal [yearly] flu shots in colder climes like the UK where all elderly people are invited to take these booster shots.
I'm not an expert in this field, but maybe, just maybe, I thought because covid19 is still rapidly evolving, what they need is that, if someone was to get infected, the antibody level should be high. It's true that the level should decrease with time, to save resources, and some memory cells are created, but maybe the time taken for the antibody to wake up and start working is longer than the time the virus needs to make severe damage? In other works *the vaccine that we take might not be as effective*?
They can say anything they want.
About seasonal flu vaxx, it's not a pure booster. As the flu virus moves to variation, they guess these variations and create a new vaxx each vinter.
Brasil uses Sinopharm is not exactly the same. Sinovac has a little bit less protection
what they were saying was that if you take the vaccine you wont get sick, but its TOTAL BULLSHIT, anyone who takes the vaccine still gets sick. And the death rate has not dropped. a total failure.
A bit misleading with the infection numbers regarding the Indonesia and Thailand healthcare workers. Seems is trying to discourage people from using sinovac, should mention how israel say the efficacy of pfizer drops dramatically against Delta Variant too.
yeah its a bit misleading but also, at the time when they are making this(from June-July/2021) I think Israel hasnt come out with that announcement yet.
With Pfizer and Moderna, Israel and US with higher vaccination rate, cases still surging. Indonesia and Thailand with low vaccination rate and you blamed Sinovac. Of course health care workers are more at risk in getting covid.
because the control of world mainstream media is in the hand of US.
Now they quoted 350 infected!!! out of 300K health care workers??? Isn't that 99.99 efficacy? so stupid really . Anti China sites using stupid data !!
Wion , Indian anti china site... quoted 1 doctor died out of 300K healthcare workers vaccinated.... and blew it up when hundreds in US died ....
@I Love Hamas Only an idiot would make that conclusion.
@I Love Hamas you have headache, so you take paracetamol, but headache becomes worse, so paracetamol gives headache.
@I Love Hamas Foreigners and China it self brought covid to Thailand not the vaccines. China must pay it’s inconvenience and distraction caused by WUHAN CORANA VIRUS 19
Astra also had facial paralysis case. Moderna have blot clot cases as well. I think the whole point of CNA is to tarnish Sinovac. At the end of the day, your question towards the vaccine experts only covers the effect NOW while the woman was worried of long term effect like in 50 years. Other experts believe that Sinovac is more predictable.
I believe most of the cases in SG recently are those vaccinated people. As the vaccination rate increases, we will expect to see more people infected despite their jabs. However, majority are still vaccinated with mRNA vaccines. If they wants to focus on reporting "hundreds of thai or indonesian medical workers infected with COVID despite Sinovac jabs", why don't they do the same reports on channel about the infections in Israel and the US where mRNA vaccines are administered.....
I also saw through it. The point is they wanted to become unbiased but I could see that their main target is Sinovac. They didn't do any further research on mRNA vaccines. MSM these days are very unreliable and can't be trusted that's why I mostly try to read directly from nature journals, or some independent journalists where I can again ask questions.
@@jiashengshi4786 Exactly : )
50 years is too long. You may see much higher cases of Alzheimers and heart problems in the next 10 to 15 years. But of course that would be attributed to "poor lifestyles".
AZ doesn't have facial paralysis, it killed 300 people in Taiwan !!! Let's tell the truth.
We sarawak also use sinovac. Case still increased. But death and hospitalised minimal.
Cases increasing due to folks violating SOP in place. SinoVac injected Sarawakian too. Stay safe.
The purpose of vaccines is to avoid hospitalization and death. It's not to prevent infection. Your immune system fights the virus and not the vaccine.
I don't think China used Pfizer and Moderna vaccines yet they were able to control covid crisis in their country. And I'm still gonna go with something that is available because I wasn't given a choice anyway and I won't complain about that, it's better than none. So yeah.
They used other methods. The outbreak was under control pretty early on, even before the first vaccine even came out.
@@Kaliahn And I'm pretty sure that the vaccines they are and will be using are still China-made.
@@JB-nr5fo Yes quite obviously. But that wasn't my point, just wanted to mention that they managed to control the covid pretty well before the vaccines were even a possibility. But I guess that's a feature of totalitarian regimes, they can do whatever they want. To them vaccines are just an extra tool (and theirs isn't a good one at that) ontop of all the rest.
@@Kaliahn I'm still gonna go with something that is available because I wasn't given a choice anyway.
@@JB-nr5fo China is a communist state. They do not tell you negatives. So, the Chinese themselves knew the communists hide something and many people died without reports. Internet is controlled so people has no way of saying against the communists.
because of political competition, we should dig and judge by ourselves
So who will judge us later?
yup, if you dont wanna die, avoid sinovac, its made in china, remember?
@@fhetfet6402 made in china so what ?
@@mrone3407 milk powder and used oil
@@fhetfet6402 so....made in China is bad......why would the most advanced country in the world scared of made in China since everything China made is bad? I am sure 50% of what is in your house you use everyday is made from China. I am sure everytime you use it you curse yourself for using China made products but you are to cheap to pay triple for the same item made in other countries. LOL
Even the vaccination has a political consensus. Hmmmm. Kudos!
I have the same feeling from wacthing this episode. Vaccine politicization, it is very clear because of using the term "inactivated vaccines" CNA keep referring it as Sinovac. All the while most of the times mrna vaccines were refered to as mrna vaccines not the manufacturers. And the Hong Kong based CNA correspondent mentioned 20 cases of side effect involving Sinovac vaccines but later on She also mentioned only 3 persons who has the facial paralysis got compensated. I stop watching halfway because I wanted unbiased comparison. Halfway through CNA keep mentioning the side effects from Sinovac without a single mention of side effects from other vaccines, that alone made me think this is not an unbiased reporting.
@@komalakosasih7629 untill today sputnik vaccine still not approved by WHO and they were the first to produce it. Many countries are using it also. Politics in times like this is disgusting
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Agreed with you. Shocking that CNA can be so bias.
The Indonesian Health authority had already refuted the falsehood about the efficacy of Sinovax vaccines from western media, and confirmed that the vaccine is as effective as other vaccines. But CNA continue to spread this misinformation.
Pfizer already indicated that its vaccines losses it efficacy after 6 months, and now recommending a third shot - but was not mentioned.
CNA would be more than delighted if they were announcing a 4th booster, or a yearly shot from now on for their vested interest in this "Big Pharma" brand! That's Big Business!
@@sylvesterfong9275 yes Pfizer themselves said u need a 3rd shot soon in the future
Completed my Sinovac vaccines with minor side effects, short mild pain then numbness on my left arm (due to injections), sleepy then wake feeling rested (loved it😍) and hungry.
This is what my friend in Malaysia told me too, no side effects except for feeling sleepy and hungry, so this is what I call consistency. Whereas heart inflammation and messing up the menstral cycle is not something people want, and if everyone who has the vac has side effects like this. These are call doubts and we have the right to question. Big pharmas has no liabiities to these side effects that people get. Remember, kids in schools are taught lessons using inquiry based technique. What are we telling the kids? They dont need to have critical thinking and just follow the mass? I think everyone should really think through, does the gov really care about the health of the people or their economy with these experimental mrna shots. Same goes for all countries.
Sameeeeee
Massive headache for 3 days for me
Hwoa. Just got my 1st dose. After a day, I got fever(40.1celsius), headache, cough, colds, body pain... Basically like flu for 2 days.
@@jonathanng138 How long after that? 1st or 2nd dose?
I wish we had a choice here in the USA even if it wasn't free.
the efficacy rate should be questioned too if they utilize the right and accurate sample.
When did Malaysia say that? where you get the news from?
Such a good analysis, answered all of my questions.
Cna doesn't answer anything right. It's too biased.
Thanks CNA for churning out awesome COVID-19 content! Meanwhile, stay safe everyone and get vaccinated!
Isreal is a good example of Pfizer vaccine being less effective against the Delta strain. Hospitalisation and death rates are up. Figures from the government health agencies of Thailand quoted an infectivity rate of 0.091% amongst front liners (exclusively Sinovac) and an infectivity rate of 1.26% in Malaysia (exclusively Pfizer). Would have been good to hear why Dr Gabriel Oon wrote to Health Minister asking Spore to stop using mRNA vaccines.
The end point is death Einstein. Not symptoms or infection anymore. The problem is sinovac killed almost 100 health staff in Indonesia despite getting 2 doses. And heck...the really dodgy part is it is MADE IN CHINA
This is false. There is no evidence that Pfizer is less effective, only the opposite.
@@reubensher8144 yep meanwhile in the U.S were averaging 6-10 deaths per day with pfizer and moderna. thats 180 - 300 per month.
@@orangerightgold7512 source of data please otherwise you are lying
Israel Government research indicate that after 6 months Pfizer efficacy is only 16%. that means 84% of fully vaccinated will get infected. Those vaccinated wit Pfizer also have as much viral load as unvaccinated person.
All these data can be found in Government research paper published in several established medical portal worldwide.
i got vaccinated with pfizer but TBH i would have taken any vaccine that was available at the time, even the sinovac which was never my first choice.
the main point of a vaccine has always been to prevent most (not all unfortunately) hospitalizations by reducing the chance of severe conditions, even if it comes at the cost of more or less important undesirable side effects for a few "unlucky" people.
Actual the main point of a vaccine is that plus herd immunity but unfortunately that is not going to happen with the corona virus.
Wait for the long term side affects over the next 2 to 5 years, probably a large increase in cancers
I'm Malaysian, studied Applied Sciences majoring in Biology & Chemistry. I learnt that inactivated whole virus is well accepted and used for decades. I hv been 2 dose vaccinated for 3 weeks. No side effects and feel healthier!
My 81 year old father received his first Pfizer dose. He almost passed. Weeks of headaches, can't walk straight, seeing things on the walls, irregular heart rate, weakness, and sleeping all day. Previously he was SO healthy...after 4 weeks of Tyenol, we had to bring him to the hospital. He's now on blood thinners for life. 100% true.
Very true, Pfizer, mRna can cause blood clot , happened to my son's friend, 6 mths after 2 shots of Pfizer.
My brother n his 2 friends suffered swollen painful legs n giddiness for over a mth.
I took Sinovac, only tired for 2 days , slept alot n workup fresh. Very comfortable.
If a booster is required in Singapore, I will opt for sinovac or Sinopharm, though it is expensive jab from my own pocket.
I don't want mRna vaccine.
@@kstang9441 come here in Philliphines sinovac and sinofarm is available here
I'll wait till they get something safer
Sri lanka recent data. Go see good sinovac perform under delta variants. Mrna is overhyped n packaged 🤥
Sri Lanka is heading towards bankruptcy they have no choice and probably cant afford made in the west mrna which is highly regulated, if sinovac is so good why did chinese government allow pfizer to be manufacture mrna in china this month under the fosun-biontech brand hahahahaah
China is open to investment and also they going 5 vaccines approach. Mrna, traditional, inhaler, adenoviruses n novavax type. Also pfizer is offered because they have many expats there preferring pfizer for travel visa. They already explain but as usually, unless u read chinese news. The west wont report real n good news from china
Yes. Traditional way is a safer bet. If Sinovac is not effective, China would have lost its fight against Covid-19 already. But now it is still going strong against covid 19
So,how bout another vaccine? Did you know how the vaccine it works? They no kill the virus,but vaccine just make the immune antibody to strong.. untill now still no ones can kill the covid-19.. so now around the world just make a initiative to human how the body can fight with the virus until they can find how to kill the virus. At the same time we are human still can alive although positive covid-19. That is the vaccine.
China is losing its fight against the Delta variant. That is the covid strain that appears to be gaining dominance in many countries. The original covid-19 virus is now old news in the face of newer, mutated viral strains of covid. Delta is now dominant and the Lambda variant is being watched and studied.
This video just LITERALLY mentioned that the Sinovac efficacy is just above 50% while the mRNA versions are above 90%, and NOT any safer than the mRNA versions, yet you say "it's a safer bet". And then another idiot here states that it is "TOO strong". You people making up their own idiotic interpretations of the facts is why so many people are refusing the mRNA versions!
Done my 2nd dose of SINOVAC i didn't feel any discomfort aside from aching on my arms.. God bless us all
I just got my first dose earlier and I only felt the heavy feeling of the shot, other than that I feel well and good like normal.
350 out of how many ? this is misleading. I heard it was 350 doctors out of 10000 doctors which means it protected a high percentage of their doctors.
You are right. At least the Straits Times in their article reported that it was out of 5000 doctors, so people can work out the percentages. The report here is as biased as Western media which relies on the generally poor math of their audience who don't know how to make objective comparisons using percentages but rather "350! China vaccine must be bad!".
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350 front line staff out of 234,000 staff. The % is .001. So dont be conned by headline shd read the whole article. So deceiving...tactics of western MsM
yeah they just sensationalize those that get affected but if they just bother to do the math, they can see that it is being very effective. Just like in the US, they had 153,000 symptomatic breakthrough cases (breakthrough cases are those who got infected even though they're fully vaccinated). That number seems so huge, but if you compare it to the 156 million fully vaccinated americans, it is just 0.098%, not even one-tenth of 1%.
These media are really doing a disservice to the people. Instead of spreading the right information, they intentionally misinform or disinform by sensationalizing the headlines and not really doing a good research.
Im Indonesian , we have 1.4mil health worker , dont compare with tiny mini singapore , in June when delta variant strike , fully vaccination was just 5% from population , now we have 12% and 25% single dose , the BOR (hospital bed occupancy) drop from 90+% to 20% now , Sinovac vaccine really works.
you see US breakthrough case now with delta variants, and just search Vox vaccine efficacy in youtube to see how pfizer and moderna lie with 95% number
- Indonesia Kudus: among 5000 sinovac vaccinated healthcare personnel, 350 infected = 93% effective.
- Thailand: "Among 677,348 medical personnel who received two doses of Sinovac, 618 -- less than 1% -- became infected,...one nurse died." (Bangkok Post)
- India: 92% of fully vaccinated healthcare workers showed mild infection (Note: India didn't use sinovac)
- US: statistics not available.
- Holland: According to the Dutch RIVM (CDC counterpart in the Netherlands), 9% of all positive cases tallied last week in the Netherlands were fully vaccinated individuals (not sinovac, not healthcare staff)
Please note: healthcare staff are hundreds times more exposed to the virus.
Cute that US dont provide the stats.
@@harukrentz435 why expose data that will put them in disadvantage lol.
Thanks for Data
Healthcare staff may exposed to the virus, BUT they’re also very protective. Cannot be used to determine vaccine efficacy.
It's opposite in Thailand, if in Singapore Pfizer and Moderna are free and they have to buy Sinovac vaccine on their own. In Thailand, however, Sinovac is free while they have to pay for Pfizer and Moderna vaccine.
Both countries are in Southeast Asia but very different from one another hahaha
Hahahah..
Singapore here we prioritize ‘safety’ in a way so thats y we are encourage to get the Phizer or Moderna vaccine.
Sinovac is only for ‘emergency’ use.
At e end of the day, each to their own.🤣
One country is a well -developed first world country. The other is a very poor third world country. In Singapore they have come to realize the best protection is from Pfizer and Moderna, so they encourage those vaccines.
In Thailand the Sinovac is FREE because it has been donated or purchased VERY cheaply. Any vaccine is better than no vaccine however.
Thank you for this very legit and thorough study. It helped people decide wisely if this vaccine will be taken
This video is concentrated in countries that used SINOVAC, what about Israel? US? UK where COVID cases are going up?
Erm because that is the whole point of the video? - "How effective is Sinovac?"
There is so much marketing and no real science. If USA is forcing vaccines in spite of breakthrough cases that proofs that the incentive is not patients’ well being. If there is no money to be made, there is no research.
The US and to some extent Israel are experiencing a pandemic of the UNVACCINATED.
The UK has been having falling cases, not rising ones.
you wanna know how pfizer and moderna come out with the (fake ) 95% efficacy ? just search VOX vaccine efficacy in youtube..
its a number from clinical trial only in US with single variant and done when the curve is low and flat ...
Why wouldn't the reporter talk about the Pfizer/BioNTech covid vaccine having only 39% effective against delta variant, which was recently reported by the Israeli health ministry?
I hope we get through this.
I'm having a trouble, which of these vaccines are more effective and recommend? Which is better?
Still waiting for the more effective INTRANASAL VACINE!
Just have my second dose of Sinovac vaccine last Saturday. My understanding is there is no difference between 80% and 90% efficiency, unless it's 50%compare to 90%.
I chosen the safer
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here's a nice explanation to illuminate you.
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The reason why I go with traditional technology that is because its been used for more than century now. With new technology I'll probably take it once it's FDA approved.
Seriously? You feel the FDA is still honest? Even with these communist garbage heaps in power?
totally logical
@@awfullyawful Then who do you suggest we trust? Jesus?
The Trusty Sidekick I suggest you trust yourself. I suggest you take responsibility for your own life. It will be challenging given the corruption of information but it is possible.
Perhaps go within. See if you can’t commune with your higher self, your God, Jesus, Muhammad, Krishna, Zeus, whatever it may be for you.
Find strength in stillness and this will help you more readily discern truth. I don’t have all the answers and I know our leaders don’t either. If they’d just be honest, I’d be more willing to hear them out but they refuse to report injuries and deaths. They act as though this stuff is safer than saline. They’re lying.
Pfizer has just been FDA approved
A year has passed , so how's the vaccine from all brands ?
it would be good to update.
here in the philippines, vaccines are free, including sinovac, though you can’t choose between the vaccines, because the vaccine changes because of its availabilty
basta aq kht anong bakuna ang importante bakunado na.
it's not free, Nalibing na tayo sa utang dahil sa Kamoteng Digong na iyan
It depends on the LGU. Here in Puerto Princesa City, the city post schedule for first dose of various brand available. Hence, the city is giving us choices when we want to be vaccinated. We have the luxury to wait because we don't have that much cases compared to other parts of the Philippines. Johnson and Johnson vaccine were used by remote municipalities because it requires one jab only. The AstraZeneca and Johnson and Johnson vaccine were bought from the funds of the city government of Puerto Princesa City.
in the philippines they are dying with hunger not covid , does not matter if got vaxcinated or not they will going to die more faster
@@jinroh516 Kahit di si Digong ang pangulo, mapapautang pa rin ang bansa. Ganyan lang talaga pagiisip ng ordinaryong Pilipino with regards to "debt". When another politician starts to scream "lubong sa utang", I doubt since nakikisakay lang sila with people's misunderstanding on debt and how it works. While ordinary citizens like you criticize the gov for too much debt, people like me as well as actual professionals say that the gov is actually avoiding debt, when it should not, during these times. A true gov that cares for the economy would not be afraid to loan to adress the slow PH economy. The current admin is not taking more debt for the sake of their image.
But since the covid variants are changes on the spike protein, wouldn't it make sense to get a whole inactivated virus not just the spike?
Since it is only the protein spike which is tailored to that particular immunization, it means the efficacy can be higher. Just like you take a sniper gun instead of a shotgun.
Certainly, if the mutation becomes too different than that particular protein would not dock anymore. Biontech on Delta has not of the same high in efficacy, but it works still with meaningful efficacy.
The thing is, mRNA could be changed in 8 weeks or lesser to target the mutation very well. However, the relevant authorities and scientists are not in any agreement, if then the vaccine needs the same 3 test phases again, or if that modification is covered by the initial studies. Majority says yep, need to study again.
It is not wrong what the Chinese say, since you get the entire virus the "coverage" is potentially wider. But then, also the efficacy for a particular strain is lower.
The re-action of your body to an mRNA vaccine is closest what you get from the real virus, without getting any virus in you, and only with what is required to make you immune (more or less). We are only at the beginning of mRNA developments.
It is quite clear that this will be the future standard. In a few years we will be able to prevent certain cancer types, rabis, and even common flu easily.
@@krollpeter I guess if that is right, then the problem is that we are dealing with mRNA vaccine mark 1, like iphone1, so it is not the best version yet. It is injuring a lot of people, if i have to guess, i would say 1 out of 100 people have long term problems, though in most cases that problem is better than catching covid.
@@emilianosintarias7337 From past experiences science believes, that side-effect or long term effects after about 6 months are quite unlikely. Many people get side effects, but most get over it after a short time. It looks like dead virus vaccine has milder side effects ... but lesser? We get reports from just over the border, ie. Malaysia and Thailand, that are similar to Singapore reports.
From what I see virus-vector has shown the most side effects. But even there the number of affected people is not high, and even this vaccine seems better than nothing. The Sputnik however seems so far doing good.
For everyone still considering: Please do not forget all of us will get this infection at some point of time. That's right, ALL OF US.
@@krollpeter I understand that the theory, mechanism is not understood, but it is happening. Everyone the VAERS report and reports is UK of adverse advents are very very high. The claim is that these don't matter because anyone can make such a report, but actually, most of the reports are from health care providers. so I doubt they are paranoid anti-vaxxers. Whole sections have been deleted as well.
We also hear of people with neurological issues starting up a few months after the vaccine. There are group of survivors, some are doctors, and they are clearly censored.
Also there are stories in the media that clearly show a problem in processing events, because we see for example, a healthy middle aged woman die 20 minutes after the vaccine, but because it was clearly not an allergic reaction ,it is marked as unrelated-as if the only way a medicine can cause injury is through allergy. Again I think this is not happening to most people, but it should mean that we don't fully understand what is happening, only what should be, in the body.
Indeed. I don't like the idea of turning my cells into synthetic spike protein toxin factories. We know now that it spreads to all of your organs, bones and even the brain. I think the Sinovac product is more sane.
Philippines got more 17M jabs of Sinovac, I trusted inactivated virus technology as well, got finish my 2jabs already with minor side effects like spasm on the arm where I got the shots. I prepared my self day before the jab, like sleep well, drink lots of fluid, eat healthy meal, have a good cold shower, exercise regularly, just to minimize and preparation for the risk and possibility for side effects. Hope this helps.
I go for your pov.
All the best.
rest in peace in advance...
@@omens676 what an evil comment this is!
@@omens676 it really shows who is evil.
@@lny4170 i dont see anything wrong on sinovac. He might be one of the people doesnt trust there government having this vaccine. He might be still unvaccinated and probably he will get the virus and die miserable because of hes stupid thinking.
I tested positive for COVID-19 last week. I'm fully vaccinated with Sinovac. My Father tested positive too but he is not vaccinated yet. I saw the difference between a vaccinated person and unvaccinated person. Go out and take a vaccine. All vaccines are effective no matter what brand it is.
Lol if the vaccines are so good, what’s the point of forcing people to take them? Why does the government care about who takes the vaccine and who doesn’t?
because the virus mutates and hospital has limited capacity
@@lynn-9937 Because hospital has limited capacity and not all patients are covid infected.
You're not the only one. What about the person vaccinated and infected after?
@@user-uk5vl4fk5u check statistics. Nurses and doctors are actually being laid off because of how slow it is.
Completed my sinovac with my blood pressure slightly elevated after 30 min. I feel sleepy and doze of for 30min. There's no swelling , no pain, no other side effects felt. So far am doing okay.
Same I had with pfizer
Obviously my body telling me to fu off by putting the poison in body
Sri Lanka (university of Sri Jayawardenapura) has done a study on the effectivity of sinopharm against the delta varient and it's mostly positive with a 90% + immunity response
I wonder why there's so little coverage of Sinopharm. Most media outlets only talk about Sinovac, but Sinopharm is being used in many countries.
@@angelxxsin So far it seems to work well in Hungary, along with Sputnik. All restrictions were lifted in june and the country was open for international tourism.
@@angelxxsin sinopharm are the most expensive vaccines.
Ask the same questions after 2 years
do you know what's gonna happen after 2 years?
I bet you saw that video saying vaccinated people will only lasts for 2 years after they get vaccine shots... Amma right? 🤣
I got Sinovac vaccine. I have completed two dose. I'm feeling better.
When I took Sinovac, my family went crazy hahaha but yeah, I'm comfortable with this decades-proven vaccine method
True
I dont trust mrna tech
@John Smith that's sad but hey, if you want to spend your life that way then i wish you the best of luck
@John Smith dont become an incel
@John Smith ✨ G O O G L E ✨
Is there a way to mark this bias video as misinformation?
Yes, there is. It is already marked. The video states....Produced in Singapore. Singapore is a strange place with many superstitious and uneducated veterinarians.
@@YuChiGongG you mean Report > Spam or misleading ? Okay thanks. Done. 🙏
With the resources that CNA has , CNA can do it better for this kinda educational/informative video.
@@rickieyap7010 MSM...... spreading the "right" news.
couple weeks ago the US is thinking about giving booster to pfizer shots too, delta variant is having a field day in America as we speak.
But that field day is predominantly people that are reluctant of getting vacinated, ofcourse if the unvaccinated are geting increasingly infected there will also be more break through amongst the vaccinated.
@@roverdank8260 You missed the point where he mentioned about "pfizer booster shots". He is not talking about unvaccinated people. Meaning to say, even those that were given pfizer, they might still need to get their third booster shot in order to combat the delta variant. This shows that, it doesn't matter what brand you took, eventually you might still need to get a third shot.
@@roverdank8260 it been announced starting September 20th the US is rolling out with booster shots (3rd shot) for pfizer and moderna..
Pfizer First-Quarter 2021 Revenues of $14.6 Billion
Year will close in Excess of $60 BILLION
Why U think They are pressing for 3rd Jab ?
@@KC_88631 i know about them wanting to give a booster shot but I’m saying that the current spike in cases in the us is mainly unvaccinated people and not people that were already vaccinated, it dose make sense to consider a booster shot as well, it’s just that currently the problem in the us is less the effectiveness of its vaccines and more it’s unvaccinated population either the ones unable to get or the ones unveiling to get it.
I'm a medical doctor working in a hospital with several hundred COVID-19 patients. I wanted to have the Pfizer jab but only Sinovac was available so I went for that instead of nothing. Now I'm thinking that I need to have a booster, particularly either Pfizer BioNTech or Moderna, unfortunately it's not in the approved vaccination plans right now. Maybe I can filch some excess vaccine for my booster shot, if the opportunity arises 😁
Yeah 94% vs 51%...I’ll go with 94% Thank you very much😎
mRNA vaccines also subject to breakthrough cases, in fact have been confirmed also cannot fully prevent spreading infection. So suggesting mRNA as preferred choice is deemed premature.
They still have the highest rate of protection. Anyhow, every vaccine there currently is has lost some effectiveness with the occurence of new mutations of sars-cov2, and this was to be expected (all viral diseases mutate to some extent). All vaccines do protect against hospitalization quite well (90%+) and shorten the timespan + chance an infected person can transmit the disease to others, so they are still effective in reducing cluster sizes aswell.
Aaaannnndd guess what has sinovac disclosed about their efficacy against the delta variant? Nothing.
Vaccines are not designed to minimise spreading. This is something a lot of people DON'T understand. It is simply to assist your immune system to prepare for such an infection.
@@slyarsenal It isn't even a matter of debate whether vaccines minimise spreading because it's already proven time and time again that they do!
The logical consequence of a prepared immune system is a lower likelihood to get sick, a shorter timespan in which an infected person acts as a spreader (bc. he becomes healthy again more quickly) and a reduced viral load (=less symptoms & less chance to make others sick).
Proof for this can be seen when comparing the statistics of several states with greatly differing vaccination rates i.e. Connecticut and Mississippi. All data and thorrough explaination here: ua-cam.com/video/mxTQQD-QVjk/v-deo.html
@@Psychx_ Second that.
Such a biased report
Such a chinese phobic's comment
My favourite guy, Steven! 👍🏻
ok!....so far so good...no complain of casualties!
with 60 percent fully vaccinated with the so called the best vaccine with 95 percent efficacy. US seems to go towards another 200.000 cases a day. in Jakarta after vaccination increase rapidly and reach 45 percent fully vaccinated, cases drops down significantly and fast
Maybe the testing is also not optimal in Indonesia, but hope for the best
even if pfizer mrna is better, it is not so much better like what the media portrays it to be. the best vaccine is the one in your arms. any vaccine is doing its part to return to normalcy. all the politica did is making people hesitant with the vaccine and boosting ego
You realize a lot of the people coming down with covid in the US are anti-vaxers or haven't gotten the vaccine?
@@Jay-nc5sx maybe need to treat that first. That stuff can effect future generation. Dumb idiot humans that is
@@M_Jono that is true! These vaccines were just be made when variants were not here yet..
Thank you that you are tracking short side effects of mRna and non Mrna vaccine. I hope you will not stop doing this for any long term side effects of these vaccines; comes year 2023 to 2025. And then 2030 and beyond.
EU is already investigating long term side effects of mRNA like kidney, heart, reproductive. google for it.
Found nothing on non-clickbaity sites. Chances are it's not a specific concern versus the more traditional alternatives; lingering effects of any vaccine would become noticeable within the first three months.
Minute 7, efficacy rate based on original Covid virus. How about Delta and Delta plus virus?
My sister (who lives in AU) and my mom got AZ. My dad got Sinovac. My brothers and I got Moderna because this was privately funded, while my parents and sister got the ones from government (PH for my parents, AU for my sister). My parents, and my then unvaxxed youngest brother, got hit with COVID. Mom who only had her first dose back then got a bit sick. Dad who was fully vaxxed (covid hit on the second week after the second dose) was only asymptomatic. My then unvaccinated brother received the full brunt of covid. Thankfully he's young and strong so he survived, then took the first dose of Moderna with me last week.