Pete Thorn using Line 6 HELIX RACK with amp
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- Опубліковано 20 жов 2024
- A quick demo of the Line 6 HELIX RACK unit, using in conjunction with a tube amp for studio recording
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Really nice sound ! Thanx for this video man.
Sounds great!
Thanks Pete..
Nice Video! Thanks!
BTW can you give us a block diagram of what you did Pete? As in how many aux's you used and were they set to inst. lvl or line lvl on the sends and returns within Helix?
Can I just put u inside my studio desk. You are so cool. Live your educational integrity
Excellent video Thanks Pete!
very cool... want!
Very cool
THIS IS AWESOME!!!! Do more videos like this Pete. Who else agrees?
I'd watch them!
Same here.
Amazing tone
Sounds great Pete, are you using the Ownhammer IR,s?
Yes it's a greenback in a 2-12"
Can you please make a new video for the helix rack how you setup the cabling and demo pedals....
Is there anuncios difference between that and using the Helix Native Plugin with an audio interface?
*any difference
5 years old but still helpful
Sounds great Pete. Happy New year mate
Hey Pete, awesome videos!. Doubt you are still monitoring this but I'm just curious if you are making changes to send/receive levels in the helix or just leaving everything at unity? Probably a dumb question somehow but I'm not sure I'm working things the best.
HAPPY NEW YEAR PETE
amazing i love the Helix
Pete is not only an amazing guitarist but your level of expertise with recording and production and overall studio prowess blows me away.
The clean sounds awesome
I learn so much from Pete Thorn
Great video dude, thank you
djlurch1049 thanks!
Cool Thanks man! Very helpful..
Love that Suhr Pete!
you are fucking awesome man!
Awesome ! do you think there will be any tone suck if i connect the helix using the AUX output to my home speakers? ( which are actually pretty decent top of the line JBLs but not made for modeling)
Your original Helix demo from a year ago it's what made me take the dive to by my Rack unit. At the time it was the only demo that actually made the Helix sound well and exhibit its full potential. Glad to see you are using it!! I do the same thing in my studio with bands who want to use real amps. I'll run the amp into my Fryette Powerstation for load and use the helix as an Ir loader.
Pete, could you tour with only a pod go? Why or why not and how would you go about setting it up?
Sure, it’s a really good sounding unit. Really it’s just a smaller helix.
Pete please help me.
1. Can I record a dry DI track into my DAW with the Helix.
2. Can I reamp/add effects in post with the controls on the Helix.
3. Most importantly, while I'm tracking raw DI with the Helix into my DAW, can I dial in my effects and play through my AMP (not the monitors) while I am tracking?
I didn't get what you said about the the signal coming out from the head. Is it going straight into the Helix or somewhere between?
I would like some day to buy a real Tube Amp head and use it with my helix LT. I don't know if I have to buy or not a reactive load box and what happens if you don't use it. I'm aware that new real amps have and XLR DI out. My question is if I can use somehow Helix IRs with this XLR DI amp output
Hi Pete. Could you please do a demo of how you use your speaker impulse responses? I have some of the OwnHammer IR's but struggling to get a good, natural sounding cab simulation inside the Two Notes Wall of Sound. Thanks
Chris Shearwood - what are you sending into the WOS? Real amp? Helix?
rockinchippy Hi, thanks for your help. I'm trying to use a couple of real amp heads through the Two Notes Torpedo Reload, Logic Pro X & WOS plugin. For speaker simulation I'm using the OwnHammer IR cabs, but so far it's sounding pretty bad! Not sure how to properly dial in a good sounding speaker cab using IR sound files?
Chris Shearwood - I hate to say this but it's the load in the Reload. Make the plunge and get the Suhr Reactive Load. The load is the single most important ingredient in the single chain.
rockinchippy Thanks. I was first considering the Suhr RL but I can only really afford to buy one, so decided to go with the Two Notes as it covered more of my recording needs. I believe the Torpedo is also a reactive load like the Suhr. Have you been able to A/B both in comparison? If so, is the Suhr a big difference?
The Torpedo does have the benefit of switching impedance; I find my amps sound best at 16ohms. I've read somewhere that a reactive load is still to some degree a fixed load, just that the impedance curve is not flat like a fixed load. In other words, the sound of a reactive load will still vary between amplifiers.
Your recordings also sound great though. Can I ask what you use for your impulses, how you blend speakers/mics etc?
rockinchippy Sorry to bother you again. Do you own the Torpedo Reload? If so, could you give your opinion on the Two Notes load vs the Suhr Reactive Load?
I don't have much time left to decide if I should return the Two Notes, but would hate to think I got rid of the Torpedo due to user error. Having said that, there is a fuzziness I can't seem to dial out of my recordings & my DAW levels aren't peaking! Just seeking an unbiased opinion whether or not the Suhr is a BIG difference in sound quality? Thanks
a good clean sound + delay + chorus = eargasmic
Great video. It make sense to have best of both worlds.
very inspiring. Wonder what this would sound like with my Fender Hotrod Deluxe?
I wanna ask , why prefer the rack version rather than floor? Thx
Also, am I right in thinking that the Helix Rack is just the same machine in a different box? So I'd be able to do this exact setup using my normal Helix Pedalboard?
Euan Hamilton yes!
Sweet! Cheers Pete!
Thanks for the demo. Love the off the cuff licks and informal structure of this. Cool perspective on this vid and cool tones.
Anyone know what jack on the back of the helix would you plug the line level of the tube amp back into?
James Maurer cheat sheet comes with it. If not look online.
I think the fuzz pedal stole the show! I'm looking forward to your demo of it
It's pretty sweet!
you're the best Pete. 👍
jim phelps thanks Jim!
I really enjoy your sound. Great guitar playing. Lots of interesting ways to use gear as well.
I really enjoy them becasue Im a newer guitar player, and sometimes not sure the "correct" or best way to use gear.
Thx
There's general rules but experimentation is great!
I did the same "experiment" with my AX84 Hi Octane Amp I built last year using a Weber Minimass. What a fantastic tool for guitarists and any musician for that matter. I've also used it in two Lexington Lab Band videos (Boston and Foreigner). Love the music and the science of the electric guitar.
A red squeezer in the Helix. Dirty tone talk.
Wow, sounded amazing
I want to do some sort of reamping, but I don’t know enough about cables to know wether or not I can use both ts or trs cables to make this work or if I need to stick with one or the other. I’m looking at buying the two notes torpedo reload to snag my amps output (signal: guitar, line 6 helix rack, DIoutput from helix to Bugera TRIREC, TRIREC to two notes torpedo, torpedos line out to go into line 6 helix send/return)
My question may we be with ts and trs cables with xlr-m and xlr-f ends specifically
How can I know what cable to use and when? I understand that one is balanced and the other is unbalanced, but does that mean one is stereo and the other is mono? Or are they all mono?
Is the line out on the two notes torpedo mono or stereo? Is that a dumb question?? Should I already know something like this??? Lmao. Fr though, I feel like this is something I should know and I’m over here pulling my hair out over it.
Apologies in advance for my long winded comment. 🤘🏼
Thank you again!!!
Crazy question, Pete -- the neat licks you're playing beginning around 5:40, I assume they're in E but is that a modal thing you're playing? Really cool sound.
Hey Pete, big fan here. Honestly I find it a bit funny that you «incorporated» the Helix in your rig while you have an Axe-Fx right on your deck.
Great tone at 4:29! Always awesome Pete. Happy New Year to you.
Hey Pete - have you tried the Peavey mini-heads? They have an XLR out that does speaker simulation that might make your life easier when doing direct recording with a tube amp...
Hey Pete, your setups sound amazing!
Thanks!
Enjoyed this PT! Thinking I'll always prefer analog pedals hitting the front of my tube amp though. But great for post effects after the impulse response!
Adriatic Delay... good choice.
Would love to see you try a week of just using the HELIX alone into the studio monitors - bearing in mind the new models - litigator etc.. and seeing if you - after some twiddling are able to get perfectly good tones straight out of the rack to match that TopHat.
And then post a vid of your discoveries.
Maybe some comparison switching between TopHat returns and a plexi or JTV model ?
Fantastic video Pete! All your videos are great, but this "sitting in with Pete" style video is awesome. Feel free to do more of these, I loved it.
Pete, Thank you so much for your time and effort and selfless determination to pass your incredible knowledge to all of us guitar players who strive to be more like you and your talent. You are a wonderful and kind musician who is such an asset to the guitar world. I'm 65 and still learn every day. My music is so comforting to me and pleasuable even though I suck. But since watching your videos, I'm grtting better. Thanks again my friend. God bless
So the fuzz is in front of the Helix and not in a loop? Sounds awesome. I'm going to try it with my MJM London Fuzz.
Sean Gillen you could definitely put it in a loop. You'd be able to move it around in the signal path too.
Thank you Sir.
that's crazy I did that earlier today with blues deluxe using amp mod and sigma ir and got really nice clean sound
i gig with my Helix LT in 4CM with my Suhr Hedgehog. I recently added a Suhr Reactive Load and an ACE and it works really nicely for silent recording.
who cares what a shuckster has to say? ; ) sorry - feeling retahded. But I do have a question for you if you don't mind. I am torn (thorn) between kemper and helix. I want the best feel. If you are using your amp the way you are, does that mean you use the helix only for effects? or do you still use the amp models? not really an expert as you can likely tell. 4 cable method implies you are using the Suhr's preamp right? I would like to know what you think of the feel of the helix just by itself. I would want to use a powered frfr cab (I think so at any rate). but does taking tubes out of the equation kill the feel and tone? I would appreciate your feedback shucky baby!
i use my Helix in many ways: 4CM w/ Suhr and my dual DV Mark Lil 40 tube heads/cabs rig and also with my Bassbreaker 15. With the Suhr, i'm instantly switching the 4CM preset AND the desired amp preset via MIDI. The drive on the Suhr is so great that i'm only using the Helix for Wah/Comp/OD pedals > Suhr >Helix FX in loop.
With the DV rig and the BB15, i run into the tube preamps for clean presets and then, on the Crunch and Lead presets, i'm bypassing the tube preamp and using the Helix models. They sound amazing to me and it's completely seamless. I've also got a couple banks of presets that are optimized for DI to my active QSC PA system for small venues where an amp is too loud.
All versions sound great, and 99.9% of all audience folks would never know/care what i'm using. As for the "feel", in my experience, that comes from tube power amps pushing back and reacting to dynamics. Nothing I have ever used live or in studio (pretty much at least one of everything made over the last 30 years) truly replicates the organic feel of playing through a real tube amp. That said, i think the Helix LT is probably the best overall cost/performance/feature set device i've owned, and it's just so very useful in many ways for live performance or recording applications. hope that helps a bit.
so very greatly appreciate the time you took to reply. very helpful. thanks brother!
Great video Pete. My question is what if you wanted to use the Helix in conjunction with a mic'd amp? I'd love to use something like a Helix for all my effects instead of Logic's. Is this even possible?
Which do you like better? The rackunit or the floor version?
Hey Pete, Can you do a video on the Boss Katana? I know it's not a tube amp, but I think it sounds tubish for a good price
Thanks Pete, you ARE the man!!
Do you have an iso box or DI anywhere between the Helix and amp, or the reactive load and the Helix? I tried using my Orange Dark Terror with my Helix once, but there was huge hum coming from the speaker.
The Helix sounds great and it must be handy to pull up all the modeling effects at your fingertips.
Hey Pete! Helix or AxeFX?
Once you got to the point where you added comp, delay, reverb and chorus, holy crap !!!! That sounded amazing. What is the equipment in front of you and to the right and how much of it, if any, are you using along with the line 6. You have a great setup and great sound. Keep the videos coming, thanks !!!
Cool video! Diggin the Emplexador! It's one of my favorite amps.
Probably the most asked question -
Ax fx 2 xl plus vs Helix rack?
Shannon Pereira I mean. He's got a fractal sitting in the rack in his desk, and all I ever see him use is Helix gear.
Shannon Pereira both are great, really. Axe fx is a terrific unit. Vs questions- I have no idea. It's literally like asking "BMW 5 series or Mercedes E class?"
Love this Pete,its like popping in yours for a coffee in between delivering the post on my bike lol!
Pete, do you still currently favor the Ownhammer IRs?? Do have any other recommendations?
Forgive me if this comes off as rude but do you mind me asking what happened to your eye?
It's called a Strabismus & usually occurs when your infant or born with it. It can be fixed with surgery, but it's not cheap & I'd bet his brain has already learned to compensate so why mess with it.
what is more practical for some one that just wants to jam in home studio the rack unit or the peddle ?
Apple Bag rack in studio.
Very Informative . Great video !!
I can see you have the Adams and Dynaudio Monitors . Which one would you recommend for mixing or the most go to for you ? Thanks .
JIB AAA both dynaudio and Adam are nice near fields, the bearfoots I use as midfields are great GREAT too. The dynaudios I took home, and they are a "smoother" speaker, Adams have more going on in the upper middle/top end to my ears. Depends what u want. I can work on them all
Thank you for the feedback..
Hey Pete, I'm considering buying myself a Helix but I can't decide between the ragular AIO footswitch or the rack with an added footswitch. Personally i would think the rack is more suited for me because I don't want to crowl under my desk everytime I wanted to turn a knob. On the other side I don't know how often I really have to turn a knob on the actual helix and not the helix software on my computer.
diggin the new hair man
So when the signal comes out of the helix via the cab simulator are we hearing computer speakers? Sorry for the dumb question. I don't understand how the cab simulator works. Does it require a special speaker?
Steven Ohata no you are hearing the output of the Helix, being recorded into Logic
Send me the preset.......
This video could not have been more perfectly timed. I'm getting ready to do the exact same setup in my home studio. Fantastic video Pete. You always make such great informative videos that are fun and very down to earth. Oh and your tone is always a blast to listen to too.
Amazing how context is everything. I just tried a HELIX for the 1st time at Guitar Center. They had it on an angled rack plugged directly into a little Fender. I plugged in and scrolled through some presets. It sounded no better than my old BOSS GT-6. (As was I'd never cut through a mix live)I didn't have time to experiment but I'm certain the unit can sound better with a more ideal setup. Pete's 1st Helix demo blew me away.
Nice job Pete. I use my Helix with my Mesa Mark V and Catalinbread Dirty Little Secret Pedal. The flexibility of using the Helix as amp or preamp with the Mark V or vice versa explores a whole variety of tones. I too use the Ownhammer IRs. Check out the Helix videos by Richie Castellano of Blue Oyster Cult.
Pete, I'M SOLD!!! Thank you for taking the time to demo this great processor! I've been mulling for years because I used to think tube-amps wouldn't work with this processor well enough or possible conflicts due to the lack of circuitry. I also was being bombarded by my buddies on getting a GT-1000. I didn't want to go the pedal-board route anymore and found the Helix. Your video really put to shame what my friends were telling me. It goes to show you that friends, and how many of us have them, aren't the authority on rack systems, musicians like you are!!
Peace, brother.
Pete, great video and great tones! Is it possible to use the Helix+tube amp without the loadbox, or would that fry the Helix, give you bad tone, etc?
Considering this is only a couple of months old - this tells me you like the Helix quite a bit. Not sure if you still have the Fractal FX8, but just wondering which do you prefer? I'm also wondering if you notice any loss of fidelity (compared to plugging in straight to the amp) by putting the amp in a loop as the signal is converted to digital first, then back to go to the loop send, then to digital on return, and then back to analog at the final outputs.
Hi Pete, is the Suhr reactive load going into Helix return loop? I tried this, but I get a loud beeeep.
This is sooo damn cool....wish I could have a setup like that..very nicely described pete.....i know you don't do metal hehehe but do make a video about metal tones hahaha....you are awesome
Hey Pete,I'm running my Helix rack into a Marshall dual monoblock 9200, both channels out to some basic peavey 15" floor wedges I didn't think it would sound that great but to my surprise it sounded awesome !! My question is what would you recommend for speakers in a stereo set up. Current setup is temporary, and must handle the tremendous volume coming out of the 200 tube watts out of the Marshall 9200,thanks!!
can i use the pod hd500x as a midi controller for the helix?
Hi Pete!
I got a question (scratching my head).
I have the 145 leslie on a patch and it is shown as stereo.
But does it split the signal there directly to the output, even if it is in a line followed by other mono efx.?
i can't seem to see the stereo signal path, I'm only guessing and listening to whats happening.
Thanx in advance ;-)
Hello Pete, the line 6 helix can be used with a combo ??? or is not a good choice ? thanks for this Helix Rack demo
Bro, when you started off with the relatively clean tone at the beginning, that guitar sounds ridiculous! Like, RIDICULOUS!
Loving the videos and your approach to everything you're doing. Got a sub outta me!
Great video Pete. I just got my Helix rack on Saturday and am having a blast with it. Tomorrow I am going to experiment using a load box and a Marshall Class 5.
I would love to see you do a Helix demo that focuses on amp modeling. I know you did another Helix demo, but several of the examples use external tube amps with load boxes. I'm sure that you could come up with some amazing tones that use only Helix amps and effects.
Phillip Hintze not exactly what you're looking for, but I think they play around with some on one of the earlier Tim & Pete shows
I'll need to check that out - thanks!
That is one HELL of a signal path. LOL!
you have alot of great gear videos, do you buy, sell and trade alot? What have sold off recently?
Hey Pete! Can you explain how the amp "fake load" thing works? How can I send the signal back to the fx processor?
Greetings from Brazil.
Felippe Medeiros The speaker output of the amplifier goes into the load box. The output of the load box, which is at line level, goes back into the helix. You add the speaker simulation within the helix, I'm doing it via an impulse response block, so I can use the speaker sound of my choosing. Then stereo out of the helix into my recording interface.
Pete Thorn I have an old Pod HD500...would this work with that? No IR block but there are built in cabs
Great video! Thank you Pete. What impulse response are you using? I really liked the tone.
Helix is so cool. I love mine. Are you using the Ownhammer IR's in this Helix?
andrewt248 yes that's what I'm using in this video
Great videos Pete, please keep up all the great work. The sounds you can get from that Helix are persuading me to invest in one.