Tutorial: Sound like John Petrucci with Line 6 Helix & OwnHammer IR's
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- Опубліковано 5 лют 2018
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Time codes:
00:11 Introduction
01:04 Clean Tone
08:02 Rhythm Tone
12:57 Lead Tone
15:36 Seven String Rhythm
17:17 End Result Clips
In this video I show you how to get some convincing John Petrucci inspired tones using Line 6 Helix (Native) and OwnHammer RECTO 212 and 412 Impulse Responses from the new 6-pack bundles.
I used my Ibanez RG652MPB for the 6-string tones and my RG752AHM for the 7-string riff.
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Your tones are seriously the best I've heard on UA-cam since I've been listening to modeled tones...which is probably a decade now. Great stuff man!!!
Thank you!
Sounds great! I recreated this with an LT and love it. I had an issue summing myself to mono when using an A/B split to left and right IR's however. Finally it hit me that I needed to use a Y split and hard pan L/R before the IRs instead. Thanks for the vid!
by far the best video of the helix ive heard
I don't even own a Helix but just wanted to thank you for sharing exactly how you got your tones. Too many people out there now that just want you to buy tones that they make without any tutelage whatsoever.
It would be great to do another video like this but for the updated Distance Over Time (the song Fall into the Light has a great intro that highlights his tone). There was a Sweetwater video which dived into what mics and everything he used for recording. It would be awesome to see a video based off of that to see how close it could match that tone. Great video!
And 3 weeks later......BAM! Your rockin!
A series of this type of video would be awesome!
A540 Definitely planning on doing more....
Very well done, thanks!
Man you nailed it. I would've used both humbuckers (middle position) for the clean tone, but it still sound good enough.
Cool.👍
Calm voice, good to hear.
one of the best tutorial on you tube on how to achieve a great sound on helix ....would you consider also making a video on how to set up a guitar ? especially neck relief ...cheers my friend
Sounds awesome!
Excellent patch building! Please create more with recommended OH IRs and we will purchase 💴 💰 🎤🎸👍
I definitely learned a few things.. Which I will forget.. Because i'm so old haha.. Luckily I can just bookmark and then watch the video again later.. Thank you, Jon..
Amazing job !!
Very good thanks for the instruction.
You must be gifted to make Helix sound so great. Subscribed
The delay trick is awesome for a wider and double effect! Cheers!
yes in ableton(or other daw) put a delay on an other channel copy past your recording and set delay to 25ms and feedback to zero mix 100/100 channel all pan to the right and other channel where is your recording all pan to the left you have your wider effect too but with phasing issues or not depending of tweeking.
Thanks man that was very educational!
Thanks! This helped a lot.
it’s really help me man!!! it is really close to JP sounds!!
awesome tones here. Spot on. Petrucci is the all time best guitar player! DT forever.
nice vid very cool to look at thanks....
18:50 damn that riff and sound is so sick! nicee
Which song is it?
I found that the V70 version of the Celestion sounds much more like as John mic his cabs. In fact they're almost the same as the Petrucci IR included in the Axe-Fx. They're darker than the V60.
amazing bro...
sick
nice video..thanks dude
Awesome! thank you
Great Video. Very helpful. Just got my Helix LT yesterday. I have a 6 string RG652AHM and wanted to know what Cabs to use from the Helix LT itself if I don't have the Ownhammers IR's? I'll probably buy the IR's later but just wanted to test with the internal cabs of the Helix LT first.
Damn that rhythm was thiccccccc
17:20 thanks ahaha awesome!!!
Incredible video! Can I ask when I do this on an actual Helix (not in a DAW) where should I put the delay split path trick for making the sound wider? AFTER the cab/IR block or before (in between the Amp and IR?) Thanks!
Holy Smoke! Great ear! Do you make patches for Helix?
I would really like to here you do something with the new JP Neural DSP stuff with their impulses and own hammer impulses .
Disclaimer: I loosely based these tones on his actual settings but not 1:1. I also really like his Recto tones from the T.O.T. era so that influence is definitely also in these tones. If you want a tighter low end turn down the bass a bit more.
Sonic Drive Studio what is the name of the song you are playing during this demo?
Pull me under by Dream Theater
Maybe if you've used the guitar's switch 2nd position, the clean would've sounded more like Petrucci's. Apart from that, the tones are very spot on. Will be cool if you do the ToT Recto tones :)
awesome, and.. i have a question.. you use nadir. so signal chain is 'guitar - amp - delay - IR'?. IR is last?
You could do with less bass / mud on the rythm sound. On his JP2c amp there are videos of him taking bass completely out. I'd suggest also dropping the drive until it tightens up.
Cool sound! Axe-FX Petrucci sound???
Hi Man! Tutorial: Sound like Nuno Bettencourt (Extreme) with Line 6 Helix & OwnHammer IR's????? Please!
Hi!!! Excelentt job!!! The best video for helix!!! I confess I was selling my helix and I was going to buy kemper, but after I saw that it was possible to get great tones with it. Do you have plans to make other great guitar players? Which ones? I'm a big fan of nuno bettencourt sound from III Sides to Every Story album, What do you think? Thanks and be good"
I sold my Helix and I was thinking of buying a Kemper but I end up buying another Helix XD... This unit is very good, it just need some time to learn, non standard IRs also helps a lot
Cool stuff indeed!
Just not sure about the Lead part, doesn't sound as creamy as John's one. I assume just because ts808 tone is missing (John uses it as a boost). also the Rhy sounds very harsh compared with typical john tones (Pull me under is not a good comparison... John himself is not super-happy about that parts), this may work in the studio but it might not be good for live perfomances. Fair to say the IR response in NadIR is also very different compared with Helix floor/LT one (43ms vs 200ms)
can you make the IR file available for download? thank you friend!
Hey man great stuff, where can i buy or download ? JP Rulez
Hey Jon, would you consider putting this on custom tone?
As always, an excellent and very useful video
I really like the trick with the delay for dual guitar sound (12:30) .... but when I reproduce the sound in a monophonic listening there is a big problem with the phase ,,,
Is there a trick in order not to have this phenomenon ? ...Thanks !
Cool!! i have a question, why use nad ir? helix have ir loader that i know
just a note about the widening delay technic. By delaying the left side of your signal, you actually are panning the guitare on the right side (it is pretty audible in this exemple). This is just a thing to be aware of. Further more, in a live context it can be a great idea because it helps to fill the space. In the studio, this kind of trick is not mono compatible and may blur your heavy guitar where you may want very precise attack. I do like panning stuff with time differences, but maybe not this kind of guitar part
not true
Stringprodigy if you want so, but I'm afraid that science is on my side on this one. I also wrote a master thesis on the subject ^^
@@JayLGuitar Lol list the peer reviewed papers that support your claim
@@Stringprodigy dude I don't know what game you are playing but there's plenty... This phenomena is known since early (1900). You can check out the Dupleix theory. And by googleing interaural time difference you'll find many ressources. Like this one : www.sciencedirect.com/topics/neuroscience/interaural-time-difference
@@JayLGuitar asking for evidence is playing a game?
FYI, JP used a totally different mic combination on the new album. Also his live rig tends to use 421s only. Anyway, that's detail but great sounds on this video.
Amazing work and professional sound. Thanks. I could I reach same sound like those using line 6 pod HD 500x? Any help would be appreciated.
@Reylan Cortes
If you can, there are several things to keep in mind since your guitar is different from the video, pickups, strings, technique etc.
That tone you can have with your Pod if you want you give me your email and I'll help you.
@@butcher_0392 thanks a lot for your time. My email is cortes.reylan87@gmail.com
@@reycortes2595
Check your mail
great helix video ever (jp sound), hands down. About the reverberations ?, What do you recommend ? with helix settings of course, thankss!!
Sebastián Luengo John Petrucci usually isn't a fan of reverbs but of course you can add them. I always use some subtle and short room reverb to give my tones a little 'air' and dimension.
how to use helix native on a stereo guitar bus as stereo processing? rather than using two instances of it on the left and right guitars
Hi!!! Where is the best place in chain to put the Ir in helix hardware? Thanks and be good
geraldothome After the amp block should be fine!
Does the new (r)evolution impulse responses package have cabs that could do the job for the petrucci sound? Clean, Crunch & Lead?
Absolutely! The TRAD is literally perfect for that
Can you do Opeth
No download??
Gonna be a stupid question, but why are your Di signals set in stereo and not in mono?
Isn’t the output a little hot or is that how it’s done?
Stupid question. Will this work similarly with the HX Stomp? i.e., are the IRs compatible and does it have enough blocks avail? Thanks. New to amp modeling..
Should work just fine!
Your helix screen is showing both input and output levels but my helix edit does not have this feature...that I know of. I'm on helix 5.6.
He is using the Helix Native software not Helix Edit. That could be why it looks a bit different.
Get us to sound like Paul Gilbert with Helix!
are there any benefit to put the chorus in front of the amp instead of after amp? Thanks
When you put an effect in front of the amp it will act more as a pedal, if you put it after the amp it will act more as an effect in the loop or in a rack for example. The sound can be a little bit different. For instance, after the amp effects can be stereo or they can effect the sound going into distortion etc. Just experiment, there are no rules.
Petrucci uses Chorus, Flanger, Phaser, Compressor & Overdrive in of front of the amp. So thats how we should do right?
So... If I get this right, you load the IR in the DAW and do ALL tweaking in Native? Where does the IR end up in the signal CHAIN then? I mean, this is all swell and dandy in a studio setting, but for my live set-up...not so much.
In other words, If I where to recreate this in the Helix work window, where would I then put the IR?
Wanted to ask the same thing... I experimented to put the IR just after the amp (before the split) and after the join. In the latter scenario the stereo effect is lost. In the former - it sounds very close to when the IR is in NadIR but there is still noticeable difference. I want to know why is that and what is the difference b/w having the IR in NadIR (after the plugin) and in an IR block after the amp.
OK, found the answer (by pure chance) - it turned out that I have to lower the level for the IR block with 2dB (-18 to -20) to make it sound the same as with NadIR. So, the position right after the amp is the correct one.
why need to make loop in 4:35 whereas it uses A/B split and there is nothing in the A path?
gujeff Because we want the delay to only affect one side of the stereo image.
Thanks, I though the split A/B will only choose either A or B, but it should be taking both A and B path
01:30 - So that means the IR is first in the signal chain? I'm asking cause I've seen all sorts of IR chain locations.
IRs should always come after the amp
@@SonicDriveStudio Yeah, that's what I thought!
Thanks!
Jon sounding like John lol.
Next one Stephen Carpenter! xD
Arnold Hoppe That's not easy....
I know, but you really nailed the tone so far. That's why we need you to do it! :D
Stef or Chino will be great!
Did you sell your Helix floor?
You're getting a bad comb filtering or phase problem.
You seem to be hitting the input of the Helix rather hard.
Don't worry about it if it's not clipping
Good to know! I always look forward to your videos. I think you have a real knack for creating really catchy riffs, and you always do an excellent job at explaining things.
I always do -12 on input and -18 on output in Helix, then raise the level after Helix/at the fader. Although if it's not clipping there's no reason to worry, I personally prefer more headroom
I'm new to the Helix. What do you mean by "hitting the helix input hard" ? You mean the volume know on the top of the unit?
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Is this the IR that you used for the lead and 7 string sound?
www.ownhammer.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=176&products_id=390
TheSocialMartyr420 For the 6 string rhythm part, yes! But for the lead I used a blend between that and the SHLZ. You'll only find that one in the six pack.
TheSocialMartyr420 7 string sound was the V60 btw.
Hey thanks for the reply! Just to make sure, This is the IR for the clean sound: www.ownhammer.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=185&products_id=431
And for the SHLZ blend, that IR is only available if you purchase the $29.99 412 recto bundle, right?
Edit: Would love to see more of these tutorials from you.
Am I only one who think the tones sound super phasey and weird
Yeah
Way too much gain.