The forehand flick tip on flat contact and hit through the ball is the gold. This is the key. A lot of people do brush too much on forehand flick and end up very unstable. With too much brush, the ball might go out. It might curve up too much. Worst yet, the timing and power transfer are off as we clumsily trying to brush the ball. So the clean solution is flat contact and hit the ball through. Great tip, Coach Tim!
Hello Tom,I am 49yrs old and just started to like the game of table tennis,just like to thank your tuitorials because it really improved me a lot as a beginner,more power.
Thanks again for your videos. I have been practicing your advices. And it worked... need to train more but this is getting somewhere. thanks. Emmanuel from France
I'm not sure he's shown us everything he has. He's serving for the purpose of demonstration, for simplicity, not to win points. The banana flick is always harder when the receiver has a problem reading the serve.
@@uchihamadara7248 but in game is the serve a demo?? Use your brain too... He should have done the real backspin so we can see if it really do the work
I agree with you, the backspin serves are weak and so easy to counter. Dont copy this move, it will result in you losing often against people who do it slightly different. Remember that each shot is different and you need to adjust accordingly. Use your wrist and forearm for backhand, check out fzd for examples. Also please for god sake, dont twist your wrist 270 degrees cuz thats hella slow and looks kinda painful. FZD little bit wrist and forearm combination is a much better option.
Thanks for the help. Your videos are very Clear and Precise on what I need to do to better my game @ Club level. Most of the coaches in my area DO NOT speak good English. So I shy away from them and watch UA-cam videos instead. I play for FUN. I dont play In competitions, but I do like to get better at this game and win some matches :)
Tom, This excellent video really became relevant to me as in my last match I was terrinle against the backspin serve. I have a new, light Stiga bat, and I was pushing everything long. I did not have a long stroke, but I wasn't coming close to controlling the push. I didn't have this problem with a slightly heavier bat. What adjustments do I make with the light bat?. Thanks.
If your pushes keep going off the end of the table, try closing your bat angle a little bit. Or try brushing ball more. Or play it a little slower. One of these options should work for you (hopefully!).
For me, the contact point to flick short underspin ball is between 8-9 oclock or between 3-4 oclock and the center of gravity of the ball should be targetted.
Nice video. But anyone watching, don’t be surprised when you can’t get them back. His servers aren’t that good, he’s hitting the ball in a way that makes it easy to return, for the video. There are people who have crazy spin, much has to do with the kind of rubber is on the paddle. What he’s showing is right but the other guy knows what coming, so that too makes it easier. It takes tons of practice and still it’s not going to be that easy as he shows you, some are just crazy good at serving.
if it's the same backspin serve over and over again, you can easily adapt. but if the server is tricky and varies the amount of spin and also the direction . . . it can be a little difficult
Hi Tom, thanks for that helpful video! I play with short pips on my backhand but I've never been able to get that flick! Is there any way I can pull that off with my rubber? Do you have any suggestions?
Yes you can do this with short pips, although technique is a little different, as you can't spin as much. So you should keep bat angle a little straighter (don't turn as much), contact ball at top of the bounce and play short sharp flick stroke. Contact will be a little flatter. We have a player in our league who does this very well with short pips and it can be hugely effective if you get it right.
Thank you for that! In fact, my coach told me to keep the racket tilted and push it instead of flicking it, but I've never been able to get the ball over the net. It would be very helpful if you could post a video of that player doing the stroke or mention it in one of your upcoming videos! Thanks so much
I can’t believe that people are saying heavy backspin are impossible to attack when you see pro doing it all the time. The addition I would add her is the form of the flick is not the best to teach newbie. First of all the elbow joints done by the student is too flared. Keep it close to your body for more solid and consistent contact. The other point is when people say no energy on flick especially against backspin is because they didn’t get to the ball in the right position that means stretched body, elbows and no space to use your whole body twist (as much as the table allowed).
I am a street player and was looking for this technique to finally counter more actively. Tried yesterday with some friends and both techniques are PURE GOLD!
1. Almost all your serves are corkscrew serves rather than backspin. 2. The serves being flicked are reasonably higher or longer or both. You are right, backspin short serves can be attacked using FH/BH flick but in your demonstration it was a lot easier than how it actually is.
No and no. All my serves are backspin. And all my serves in this video are short - if left, they would have bounced twice on the other side of the table. In this video I've only showed the serves Daniel successfully attacked. He missed more than he got on!
mohammad isa well said. It is easy to comment on someone's technique, which I did, than doing it yourself. I am not keen at all to prove anyone right or wrong. I would like to think that I do have reasonably fair understanding of the game, and based on how much ever I know, I posted my observations which by the way I still think are correct. Please feel free to ignore my opinion if it has no value according to you. Tom Lodziak - posting comments is easy, but taking time to prepare videos and contributing to Table Tennis community takes a lot more effort, and kudos to you for that.
This would be the same apart from where you aim it at the table. If in doubt on how much side spin is on, aim for the middle of the table when performing your flick shots.
Thanks-Very good approach-however-these serves here are not short enough and when it is even a heavier spin serve and U are reaching in even closer to the net these flicks become even harder to hit consistently-so that's why many players may still push strong short underspin serves-but a better push needs to be done with intention very short or deep and heavy cut of the ball if not going for a nice flick with also good placement to actually gain control of the point-if a flick is done softly-U will also be massacred by strong players with a 3rd ball attack regardless-so still lots to be aware of as a receiver vs strong serves esp if U decide to go for a BH or FH flick
Very useful.I will try & develop these attacking shots.The more variety of shots you can play makes your opponent uncertain of what you will do next. Many thanks.
Thanks Tom for your response. I think I understand the backhand flick situation. My difficulty is unable to generate enough racket head speed and rub enough spin to flick the heavy, low, and short backspin balls. I bend my wrist all the way back as far as possible. I can flick a ball bounced higher than the net, short ball with some spin. This is possible, but other players can easily attack my returns. Any ideas ?
Hi Mary - I'd like to help, but it's difficult to tell you what's going wrong without seeing you play. It sounds like you are trying to do the right thing (bend wrist back, generate racket speed). If you post a video of yourself playing the shot, I'd be happy to give some feedback.
Recently I read that, in part because of the backhand flick, there has been a decreased emphasis on short spinny serves (since with the banana flick the receiver becomes the one who initiates the attack) and instead servers are mixing their serves up much more (not the usual 90% short and 10% long) to counter the backhand flick and be better prepared to initiate a 3rd ball attack. So, I assume that if this trend continues it is increasingly important we practice this receiving technique so that we can respond to the more random opportunities to use it. That probably means more attention to footwork as well.
At the pro level, a lot of serves are half-long as these serves can be tricky to attack aggressively. However, I think pros are doing more long serves as well now. So you're right, there is a mixture of service lengths and you need to be able to return short serves, half-long serves and long serves.
Hi Tom, your under spin serves are weak. So extreme wrist clocking back way passing your center line of your body is fine. That is because you rely heavily on the wrist rotation and some forearm brush to contact the weak spinning ball. But if the underpin serve is low and spinning, the write action alone is not going to make it. What needs to be done is "getting the body heavily involved". In order to do that, do not clock your wrist way pass the center line, to the extreme right of your body, but slightly to the left of your body, before passing the center of your body. The pad will need to be lower, almost close to the table. The wrist still rotates but just barely pointing the pad to the abdomen of your body. Do not need to over clocking. As the heavy spin ball comes, use the body as the engine to start the motion, and brush with forearm and wrist. As the pad makes contact with the ball, the wrist brush can slight brush upward, but not much. We still want to make sure the forearm and wrist brush along the same arc, basically forward and up, as the body rotates in motion. The key is the body hip rotation that drives the forearm and wrist. That is how the very heavy underspin ball gets pick up.
I'm sure what you describe will work also. There's probably about 10 different ways you could do a backhand flick. I think the most important thing is to find a method which works for you and puts your opponent under pressure. Thanks for commenting.
Wow. Thank you so much for these tips. So helpful indeed. I will try these techniques when I play the next time with my friends and let you know whether they work wonders for me or not. ✌🏼👍🏼😊
Yes, i agree that the short length backspin can be smashed too with the technique shown here in this video. But somehow, it looks like there is not much backspin on the ball... i use these shots too but i find it difficult to do it when it is very near to net & with heavy backspin.... I really appreciate your effort on the video. Thanks,,👍
Actually very short serve are easier to attack, the hardest the one that bounce 7/11 of the table on the thrid bounce or something. I forgot since I no longer plays seriously. There’s the whole physics and angle on why that’s the case.
Great videos. Thanks. I'm curious about the backhand flick with backspin serves. Are you using a mechanical grip rubber or tacky rubber on your backhand. Does it matter? Thanks again
Nope. These are all short backspin serves. Watch the video again and look at where the ball bounces and where Daniel contacts the ball (over the table).
point taken and agreed that one should not attack most of the time. This is especially true because at the amateur level, the serves can be done extremely well, but the returns do not match the level of expertness. Having said that, I get frustrated that my go-to return against devious backspin servers is to do a defensive push or touch shot. I definitely want to practice these attacks even if I will not use as much in a game.
Suggestion: if you have an associate like Eli, or someone else, make a tutorial about long pips, close or away from the table. It is neglected subject, and you really do high quality videos
Tom Lodziak Great, do it sooner, I have a tournament in October this year :). But, anywhen is welcome, because I believe, with right strategy and technique, you can make a serious damage to your opponent with long pips. Nowadays, defenders use more and more short pips, because of spin variation. Here is also a new topic: varying the spin when defending. Keep up with good work, excellent videos and detailed explanations
Not quite as good as a video, but here's an article I wrote about beating long pimples players: www.tabletenniscoach.me.uk/tactics-for-beating-a-long-pimples-player/ - Good luck with your tournament!
Tom Lodziak Thank you very much. Now I know how not to play against attackers. I am long pips player, that is why I asked, I need good strategy against strong attackers. Recently, I lost a match from highly experienced player. He didn't beat me with powerful spins or serves, he got me with tactics, making me move. He played so softly, almost like ballet show. That is also what I need, some technique, but, also tactical suggestion how to WIN WITH LONG PIPS
Yes, I plan to do something on long pimples in the future. I need to find a good long pimples player to help demo the shots though! I'm not much of a long pimples player myself.
ADVICE TO ALL! - This instruction is sound and it works. BUT....as Tom said, it will take practice, and I say---LOTS of it. I had been practicing these two techniques for hours on my home table and robot. These absolutely work. But in matches then, they still break down a lot because it just takes time to learn how to keep cool and use them in matches when frankly we are all amped up and excited. BOTH of these are very technical and rely heavily on great timing and bat angle. In both cases no matter what you think the eye sees - the bat angle cannot be closed full scale on short underspin. It can be closed, but needs to open up a little more is what I mean. Thank you Tom! This is excellent as are all of your videos! Your book is also excellent!
I loved this video, but your comment has me confused. i can see clearly in this video that the bat angle is closed during the backhand flick while returning short underspin.
@@KidLightning33 Yes it is. What I was conveying is the more underspin you are reversing, the more you will need to 'slightly' open your bat angle. it's going to be closed, but the degree of closeness can change depending on the amount of spin being countered. Which makes great player extremely difficult to play because they vary their spins once you lock onto what they are doing. Same in real tennis.
I agree but I just gave up penhold due to the fact that I can't use my backhand with it, or to be more precise, my coach did not want to train me on the modern RPB and because of that I got angry and changed the grip to the shakehand.
Im agree with coments here, whats the point on explaining how to rest a short backspin serve, ir you Don't do a single one properly? Im mean intention of the video is good but all this seems useless to me.
this serve is already not perfect short backspin serve it should bounce on the opponent side with height less than the net height also more tight to the distance to the net at the first 15% of the other side
Wow - that's a very precise way of measuring a short backspin serve! Probably not that helpful though. I think the main thing you want to achieve with a short backspin serve is to keep the ball low, get plenty of backspin and make sure the ball bounces twice on your opponent's side.
15%?? Where did you get that number from?? The best short serve is that in which the second bounce of the ball is very close to the end line while keeping as low as possible the trajectory of ball. That's all.
Really useful thank you! I think one part that was missed in this video is that he's attacking the side of the ball where the spin is less. Making it far easier to handle. This is more obviously seen in the forehand return.
The idea is good, but the short backspin ball bounced high than the net on the other side as shown in video. Therefore, it was easy to flick, and also the ball has a weak back spin on it.
There is plenty of backspin on the serve. Daniel missed plenty of the flicks when we filmed this - I only showed the ones he actually got right. But thanks for watching and commenting.
well, short backspin serves in my opinion, especially short serves, especially backspin serves is where the ball does not leave the table at all, that what you have shown was long serves with very little and almost no spin... thus very disappointing
But what if I use the ghost serve like Ma Lin did in one of his training videos? I don't think that it is possible to attack that one because the amount of spin is way too big on it. I will try to see if my coach will be able to attack my ghost serve. I will try to give it as much spin as possible so that it returns to the net if allowed to bounce.
I do not know if you are competent in this field. The problem is the following. The summer is very hot and I play outdoors. So, not wishing to destroy my bat, I bought a bat for 1 pound. AND I WAS AND AM DELIGHTED. Especially with my topspins both sides. Then I bought the same bat for 1 pound, but decided to replace the rubber by the less expensive and the lightest possible. They were LKT Pro XT. The idea was simple and genius. To upgrade my bat achieving step by step better results with better rubbers. AND IT WAS AND IT IS A CATASTROPHE. I lost COMPLETELY control of my spins. The net )10%) or out (90%) . The net or out. The same movements, the same balls, the same force. Probably you know how one should play a Chinese rubber? Or what is wrong? I really ABSOLUTELY frustrated.
Ha! Well, I have not played with this rubber but I just ldid some research and it seems like a typical Chinese rubber - tacky, low throw and needs lots of energy to get anything out of the rubber. I have tried Chinese rubbers a couple of times and I just didn't play well with them. My style of play is not suited to Chinese rubbers. I had a similar experience to you - my shots were not good! So I just stick to European style rubbers now.
Yes, I think I will abandon my Chinese rubber. Wasted money, but …On the other hand, I spare for better weather my another bat with XIOM OMEGA PRO 2.00 MM. But last week I tried to play with it. Earlier I played with it quite well. Except topspin. I mean I thought that I executed topspin, but I was wrong. Your method in “How to attack a backspin ball” was really a revelation for me, and, by pure coincidence, I started to train it with my 1 pound bat and I GOT A FEELING of a topspin. Both forehand and backhand. And I am very thankful to your for wonderful tips. But. When I tried to play with my OMEGA PRO rubbers, it was a catastrophe as well. All the balls parted out of the table. By my topspins. And once more: with the same movements, force and spins of the coming balls. I tried to diminish the angle of the bat. The result was better. But. The curve, then, is quite flat. The ball passes just above the net. And each time I an not sure if the ball goes into the net or in out. All the pleasure of a spin (absolute control) disappeared. Have you any idea what to do? PS When you want to buy a bat and you do not know which, you quite often get the advice which I found quite clever and reasonable. “Buy first a simple bat, which allows you a maximum control. Once you got the techniques, buy a better bat which allows you to be more power and sophisticated. Etc…For example, first DEF, then ALL, then OFF… I found it a quite expensive way. But by accident, I am now in the similar situation. I control perfectly with my simple bat. I simply, just a within couple of weeks, jumped in a category of the best players of our circle with acquired topspins. So I thought, once the heat of the summer is over, I take my XIOM OMEGA PRO and I am the best. And it is not a case. I am at a square one. Absolutely no control. And I had the impression that I felt the ball on bat while executing topspins. I did quite complicated things. But now that feeling disappeared as well.
I went through the same process. When I started my bat was too fast for and I had little control. So I switched to a slower bat and instantly my game was better as I could get better balls on the table. I then went through a process (over many years) of gradually changing to slightly faster rubbers and blades. My best advice is to stick with an 'all round' blade for time being and use 1.9mm rubbers. When you feel you have good control and consistency, then you can change to slightly faster blade / rubbers.
Yes, you can, but the technique is different (and a little easier). Essential, you can drive through the ball and pimples will send the ball back over the net. You can be quite evil with it!
Very good advice but no offense, the backspin in this educational video is very minimal, almost non-existent, that's why your opponent was able to topspin or flat hit the ball, but in a real game backspins can get insanely fast/powerful. I'm having difficulty breaking the opponent's chopper game short to the net. 80% of the time his shots are placed right next to the net with a tremendous amount of backspin. Because of the heavy spin, the ball bounces lower than the net and if left untouched, the second bounce is either very close to the first one or even closer to the net than the first bounce. Are there any tactics against those backspin shots so that I can try breaking his game?
If the backspin is really low and really heavy and really close to the net, then it's probably easier to touch the ball back short and low or you could push the ball long and wait for an easier ball to attack.
@@TomLodziak That's what I've been doing but the guy has lots of experience and when I push it back it keeps chopping over and over again until I mess up. From that position there is no way I can push it back on his side closer to the net and if I do, the ball will bounce very high then he will slam it. Chopping style is he's forte and he can do that all day long so playing what he wants is not the right approach. If he makes a mistake and I switch it to topspin the point is mine but he knows this very well and doesn't give me this opportunity, that's why I was asking for advice to break this type of game. Thank you!
@@johns5917 To beat this sort of player, your only option is to learn how to topspin consistently against backspin balls. Without this skill you will always get stuck in these backspin pushing rallies. I have a load of content about this, which may help you ... Tactics for beating a pusher: www.tabletenniscoach.me.uk/tactics-for-beating-a-pusher/ Changing your pushing mindset: www.tabletenniscoach.me.uk/changing-pushing-mindset/ How to attack a backspin ball: ua-cam.com/video/ObuqH-d_LQI/v-deo.html
Most of your serves a lot or some side side spin as you can clearly in the slow motion, this makes returning the serve a great deal easier, poor demonstration in truth
Sorry, that's not right. There is a little bit of sidespin on these serves, but it is mostly backspin, as you can see from the angle of my bat when I contact the ball. But thank you for taking the time for watching and commenting.
My racket is a little bit old and my forehand rubber has lost some of its friction. Therefore I've switched my backhand and forehand sides for my play style. Now my backhand has a lot less spin on the ball. When I try to flick the ball with my backhand, the ball seems like it can't get enough spin. I feel like I have to have a little bit of forward movement but in backhand flick we almost have no forward movement. So what should I do ? Is the rubber problem for me or just the tecnique ?
It could be either. If your rubber has lost a lot of grip, then it will be harder to spin the ball. Try someone else's table tennis bat for a few minutes and see if you can spin the ball more. If you can spin the ball more, it might be time to get new rubbers. If you can't spin the ball any better, then you probably need to work on your technique.
The angle of the bat (return player) irritates me a bit. The underspin serves in this video seemed to be fairly mediocre in terms of spin intensity. What if served with much more underspin? Wouldn't the return player have to use a more open bat angle to play a flick successfully? I just can't play a backhand flick as shown if the serve comes with a very, very strong underspin and remains short - actually not wanting to leave the table. In that case I tend to open my bat angle and then sort of lift it - however not to create an underspin (like with a push) but more retain the spin given by the opponent (which from my view would be a top-spin then). So after watching this video I wonder if I can use a backhand flip really to return a short, heavily backward spinning serve.
Well there is plenty of backspin in the serves used in the video. But Daniel's BH flick technique is quite an advanced stroke. It has taken him A LOT of practise to do this consistently (and he did miss a fair few in filming - I just showd the ones he got on). The key to the stroke is a lot of racket speed and brusg. If your bat is too slow, the ball won't clear the net. And the way Daniel plays this flick he ball goes low over the net. The margin for error is small. You can open bat angle more and spin up more. This is easier to do (and how I tend to do it), but you don't get as much speed or spin.
Thanks! I tried it yesterday in the training and used a different rubber (PF4 1.6mm) instead of Hurricane III 2.2mm. The Hurricane was not a good choice for my play style. And yes, racket speed is key indeed as I experienced first hand. Just ordered one more PF4. Will play it on both sides.
@@danield.7359 Hey, I just wanted to say another option our coach suggested when flicking against very heavy backspin is to contact the ball on the side so the spin doesn't have as much effect. It seemed to work quite well when I could pull it off but I definitely need to practice it a lot more to get consistent.
@@MyrddraalX thanks - this makes sense. I will try it tonight, but I guess I will have to figure out how to hit the ball on the side if it comes straight at me and still play straight. Another trick is to hit the ball far below center of the racket (below the sweet spot of the bat, just above the handle - it's more greasy there and acceleration is much weaker)
@@danield.7359 Yeah you kinda have to try to position yourself so you can get around the ball, it's pretty tricky but I think worth the effort. Ah yeah that is interesting, generally I try to get as close to the top of the bat for more spin but I'm always interested in trying different variations so I'll give it a go, thanks!
One big problem with a backhand flick... it's telegraphed very early by watching the position of the opponents arm... in fact it's almost like slow motion... when someone is returning like this you have an age to get in position to attack their return. That's not to say "don't use it", more to say that against better opponents you'd better be bloody good at it and make a winner.
This is where ball placement is important. If you can mix up where you flick (FH, BH, middle), it is very effective and not so easy to defend against. And it's also important to recover quickly after you flick, so you can also attack the 4th ball. I have found flicks to be very effective at amateur level. And heck, the pros flick all the time! So if it's good enough for the pros, it's good enough for the rest of us.
Hi coach, when you use the term "flick" does it mean *brush* the ball or *hit* the ball? So if we do the opposite would those techniques still call flick, or it has a different name? Thanks
this move is way too big and slow and inaccurate, if you want a real way to counter short backspin look at ma long vs fanzhedong video and watch fan zhe dong's backhand twist, or 拧 in chinese
Agreed. Ma Long and Fan Zhedong are amazing. However, my videos are aimed at amateur table tennis players - mostly beginners and intermediates. I don't think it is advisable for these players to copy Ma Long and Fan Zhendong to begin with. They should start with simpler actions to begin with a progress from there.
@@TomLodziak I think that it would help a lot of people if in the future that you emphasize that these moves aren't meant to be copied directly. Each paddle and shot is different so you got to adjust accordingly, for example giving them advice on how to adjust to different shots would be very helpful.
@S E P ua-cam.com/video/A96q8X1SrcI/v-deo.html Ofc this is quite a bit harder, but its I believe its worth the investment as it is a superior technique with more potential
Don't worrk too much about the sidespin part. If you flick the ball like Daniel shows in the video, then you will override any sidespin on the ball. If it is sidespin with heavy backspin, you will need to lift the ball more. If is it is sidespin with light backspin you can play the strokes a bit more more forwards rather than up.
Well this is exactly what Daniel is doing with his BH flick. He is getting his elbow forward to create the space to get around the side of the ball a little. If the ball was deader or no spin, Daniel's flicks would have been flying off the end of the table. I think the serve is a little deceptive. There is a lot of backspin. I have been using this serve for a long time. You have to trust me on this one!
Thanks. Since the video you mentioned in the beginning I have managed to “attack” these short backhand serves. But. I have not been managing to attack. My “attack” is not really an attack. It is just top spin instead of a backspin push or similar. But my balls are still slow and even not high, but easy to attack. And your returns in this video seem to me are easy to attack as well. They are just topspin returns instead of backhand returns. But they are not aggressive to be called a real attack.
This is when ball placement becomes very important. If you mix up where you flick (BH corner, FH corner, middle), it becomes very effective. Also, don't just think off the flick as a one off shot or a winner. You need to recover after the flick and get ready to attack thr 4th ball (if it comes back). But it sounds like your next challenge is to get more speed on your flick. If you can get more speed, then it will be much stronger.
First, of course, it is an excellent solution, and probably the only, to attack a backhand short serve / return. Secondly, of course, the ball placement permits to put the opponent under the pressure. Third, I see in international matches, that theses techniques are the real attacks. Nevertheless, and I play with long time amateurs, my balls are more or less easily attackable. They are long (naturally), just a bit higher then the net. And as it seems to me, ALL long balls are easy to attack (by those who knows how to do it) in any case. And I do not know / find the solution. Except the placement. To make the balls stronger seems a very risky solution while the net is very near. Of course, if one has a real talent…
Next time you try BH flick do this... try to play very deep to your opponent's playing elbow. It makes it very hard for your opponent to attack your flick. I have found this to be hugely effective. Ideally you need a bit of speed too.
By the way. These last days I played to my opponent's playing elbow. He still managed to attack. But first, now not always. Second, now his balls go to the net or out of the table at least three times more often. So now his attacks are just illusion in many cases. Thanks for the advice.
The forehand flick tip on flat contact and hit through the ball is the gold. This is the key. A lot of people do brush too much on forehand flick and end up very unstable. With too much brush, the ball might go out. It might curve up too much. Worst yet, the timing and power transfer are off as we clumsily trying to brush the ball. So the clean solution is flat contact and hit the ball through. Great tip, Coach Tim!
Hello Tom,I am 49yrs old and just started to like the game of table tennis,just like to thank your tuitorials because it really improved me a lot as a beginner,more power.
Thanks men, I'm improving so much watching your videos!
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Thanks again for your videos. I have been practicing your advices. And it worked... need to train more but this is getting somewhere. thanks. Emmanuel from France
Tom’s short backspin serves are pretty weak. Of course that will be easy to attack.
I'm not sure he's shown us everything he has. He's serving for the purpose of demonstration, for simplicity, not to win points. The banana flick is always harder when the receiver has a problem reading the serve.
He is serving for the demonstration only
Use your brain tf
I agree with u
@@uchihamadara7248 but in game is the serve a demo?? Use your brain too...
He should have done the real backspin so we can see if it really do the work
I agree with you, the backspin serves are weak and so easy to counter. Dont copy this move, it will result in you losing often against people who do it slightly different. Remember that each shot is different and you need to adjust accordingly. Use your wrist and forearm for backhand, check out fzd for examples. Also please for god sake, dont twist your wrist 270 degrees cuz thats hella slow and looks kinda painful. FZD little bit wrist and forearm combination is a much better option.
Thanks a lot! Tried the shot it worked !
Excellent. Great to hear.
Thanks for the help. Your videos are very Clear and Precise on what I need to do to better my game @ Club level.
Most of the coaches in my area DO NOT speak good English. So I shy away from them and watch UA-cam videos instead.
I play for FUN. I dont play In competitions, but I do like to get better at this game and win some matches :)
Tom, This excellent video really became relevant to me as in my last match I was terrinle against the backspin serve. I have a new, light Stiga bat, and I was pushing everything long. I did not have a long stroke, but I wasn't coming close to controlling the push. I didn't have this problem with a slightly heavier bat. What adjustments do I make with the light bat?. Thanks.
If your pushes keep going off the end of the table, try closing your bat angle a little bit. Or try brushing ball more. Or play it a little slower. One of these options should work for you (hopefully!).
Thanks Coach Tom
Thumbs up! I appreciate that.
Good stuff! Cheers!
Nice, very helpful video :)
For me, the contact point to flick short underspin ball is between 8-9 oclock or between 3-4 oclock and the center of gravity of the ball should be targetted.
Nice video. But anyone watching, don’t be surprised when you can’t get them back. His servers aren’t that good, he’s hitting the ball in a way that makes it easy to return, for the video. There are people who have crazy spin, much has to do with the kind of rubber is on the paddle. What he’s showing is right but the other guy knows what coming, so that too makes it easier. It takes tons of practice and still it’s not going to be that easy as he shows you, some are just crazy good at serving.
I agree
it was very helpful for me and now i can shot attack easily
Very useful
if it's the same backspin serve over and over again, you can easily adapt. but if the server is tricky and varies the amount of spin and also the direction . . . it can be a little difficult
Hi Tom, thanks for that helpful video! I play with short pips on my backhand but I've never been able to get that flick! Is there any way I can pull that off with my rubber? Do you have any suggestions?
Yes you can do this with short pips, although technique is a little different, as you can't spin as much. So you should keep bat angle a little straighter (don't turn as much), contact ball at top of the bounce and play short sharp flick stroke. Contact will be a little flatter. We have a player in our league who does this very well with short pips and it can be hugely effective if you get it right.
Thank you for that! In fact, my coach told me to keep the racket tilted and push it instead of flicking it, but I've never been able to get the ball over the net. It would be very helpful if you could post a video of that player doing the stroke or mention it in one of your upcoming videos! Thanks so much
I can’t believe that people are saying heavy backspin are impossible to attack when you see pro doing it all the time. The addition I would add her is the form of the flick is not the best to teach newbie. First of all the elbow joints done by the student is too flared. Keep it close to your body for more solid and consistent contact.
The other point is when people say no energy on flick especially against backspin is because they didn’t get to the ball in the right position that means stretched body, elbows and no space to use your whole body twist (as much as the table allowed).
I am a street player and was looking for this technique to finally counter more actively. Tried yesterday with some friends and both techniques are PURE GOLD!
Werry werry gut. Thanks.
1. Almost all your serves are corkscrew serves rather than backspin.
2. The serves being flicked are reasonably higher or longer or both.
You are right, backspin short serves can be attacked using FH/BH flick but in your demonstration it was a lot easier than how it actually is.
No and no. All my serves are backspin. And all my serves in this video are short - if left, they would have bounced twice on the other side of the table. In this video I've only showed the serves Daniel successfully attacked. He missed more than he got on!
Prashant Kumar post a vid. Let see how you do it.maybe we can learn something from you.
mohammad isa well said. It is easy to comment on someone's technique, which I did, than doing it yourself. I am not keen at all to prove anyone right or wrong. I would like to think that I do have reasonably fair understanding of the game, and based on how much ever I know, I posted my observations which by the way I still think are correct. Please feel free to ignore my opinion if it has no value according to you.
Tom Lodziak - posting comments is easy, but taking time to prepare videos and contributing to Table Tennis community takes a lot more effort, and kudos to you for that.
Hi Tom ,this video was very useful.But how to return short sidespin services with back spin
This would be the same apart from where you aim it at the table.
If in doubt on how much side spin is on, aim for the middle of the table when performing your flick shots.
Thanks-Very good approach-however-these serves here are not short enough and when it is even a heavier spin serve and U are reaching in even closer to the net these flicks become even harder to hit consistently-so that's why many players may still push strong short underspin serves-but a better push needs to be done with intention very short or deep and heavy cut of the ball if not going for a nice flick with also good placement to actually gain control of the point-if a flick is done softly-U will also be massacred by strong players with a 3rd ball attack regardless-so still lots to be aware of as a receiver vs strong serves esp if U decide to go for a BH or FH flick
Great video, Coach. All of your insight is correct to the point but I have to say that those are not top quality backspin serves.
Very useful.I will try & develop these attacking shots.The more variety of shots you can play makes your opponent
uncertain of what you will do next. Many thanks.
Thanks Tom for your response. I think I understand the backhand flick situation. My difficulty is unable to generate enough racket head speed and rub enough spin to flick the heavy, low, and short backspin balls. I bend my wrist all the way back as far as possible.
I can flick a ball bounced higher than the net, short ball with some spin. This is possible, but other players can easily attack my returns. Any ideas ?
Hi Mary - I'd like to help, but it's difficult to tell you what's going wrong without seeing you play. It sounds like you are trying to do the right thing (bend wrist back, generate racket speed). If you post a video of yourself playing the shot, I'd be happy to give some feedback.
Recently I read that, in part because of the backhand flick, there has been a decreased emphasis on short spinny serves (since with the banana flick the receiver becomes the one who initiates the attack) and instead servers are mixing their serves up much more (not the usual 90% short and 10% long) to counter the backhand flick and be better prepared to initiate a 3rd ball attack. So, I assume that if this trend continues it is increasingly important we practice this receiving technique so that we can respond to the more random opportunities to use it. That probably means more attention to footwork as well.
At the pro level, a lot of serves are half-long as these serves can be tricky to attack aggressively. However, I think pros are doing more long serves as well now. So you're right, there is a mixture of service lengths and you need to be able to return short serves, half-long serves and long serves.
Hi Tom, your under spin serves are weak. So extreme wrist clocking back way passing your center line of your body is fine. That is because you rely heavily on the wrist rotation and some forearm brush to contact the weak spinning ball. But if the underpin serve is low and spinning, the write action alone is not going to make it.
What needs to be done is "getting the body heavily involved". In order to do that, do not clock your wrist way pass the center line, to the extreme right of your body, but slightly to the left of your body, before passing the center of your body. The pad will need to be lower, almost close to the table. The wrist still rotates but just barely pointing the pad to the abdomen of your body. Do not need to over clocking. As the heavy spin ball comes, use the body as the engine to start the motion, and brush with forearm and wrist. As the pad makes contact with the ball, the wrist brush can slight brush upward, but not much. We still want to make sure the forearm and wrist brush along the same arc, basically forward and up, as the body rotates in motion. The key is the body hip rotation that drives the forearm and wrist. That is how the very heavy underspin ball gets pick up.
I'm sure what you describe will work also. There's probably about 10 different ways you could do a backhand flick. I think the most important thing is to find a method which works for you and puts your opponent under pressure. Thanks for commenting.
Wow. Thank you so much for these tips. So helpful indeed. I will try these techniques when I play the next time with my friends and let you know whether they work wonders for me or not. ✌🏼👍🏼😊
Good luck. Dan's technique is quite advanced. So don't worry i it doesn't work at first. Got to keep practising.
Muchas Gracias!
Yes, i agree that the short length backspin can be smashed too with the technique shown here in this video. But somehow, it looks like there is not much backspin on the ball... i use these shots too but i find it difficult to do it when it is very near to net & with heavy backspin....
I really appreciate your effort on the video. Thanks,,👍
Actually very short serve are easier to attack, the hardest the one that bounce 7/11 of the table on the thrid bounce or something. I forgot since I no longer plays seriously. There’s the whole physics and angle on why that’s the case.
Great videos. Thanks. I'm curious about the backhand flick with backspin serves. Are you using a mechanical grip rubber or tacky rubber on your backhand. Does it matter? Thanks again
I don't think it matters too much. Focus on getting the technique right and you can flick with any rubbers.
i guess u r serving long serves not short backspin spin ..ahh disappointed..
Nope. These are all short backspin serves. Watch the video again and look at where the ball bounces and where Daniel contacts the ball (over the table).
No I am a professional tt player and my advice we should not attack back spin short and hard serves
point taken and agreed that one should not attack most of the time. This is especially true because at the amateur level, the serves can be done extremely well, but the returns do not match the level of expertness. Having said that, I get frustrated that my go-to return against devious backspin servers is to do a defensive push or touch shot. I definitely want to practice these attacks even if I will not use as much in a game.
Hello Tom Lodziak, I need to get video for beginner. Thanks
Hi - you could start with this playlist, which has videos suitable for beginners...ua-cam.com/play/PLjmS7YXYKTYl95hGnhMNFwfkpnWNJDnM6.html
Suggestion: if you have an associate like Eli, or someone else, make a tutorial about long pips, close or away from the table. It is neglected subject, and you really do high quality videos
Yes, I definitely want to do this. This is one of the videos I plan to make in 2019.
Tom Lodziak Great, do it sooner, I have a tournament in October this year :). But, anywhen is welcome, because I believe, with right strategy and technique, you can make a serious damage to your opponent with long pips. Nowadays, defenders use more and more short pips, because of spin variation. Here is also a new topic: varying the spin when defending. Keep up with good work, excellent videos and detailed explanations
Not quite as good as a video, but here's an article I wrote about beating long pimples players: www.tabletenniscoach.me.uk/tactics-for-beating-a-long-pimples-player/ - Good luck with your tournament!
Tom Lodziak Thank you very much. Now I know how not to play against attackers. I am long pips player, that is why I asked, I need good strategy against strong attackers. Recently, I lost a match from highly experienced player. He didn't beat me with powerful spins or serves, he got me with tactics, making me move. He played so softly, almost like ballet show. That is also what I need, some technique, but, also tactical suggestion how to WIN WITH LONG PIPS
Good explanation, but one small detail is missing when the paddle contact the ball.
You should aim to contact the ball when it is at the highest part of the bounce. This makes it a little easier to execute the flicks.
Timing is important as well. My coach told me to count 1 2 flick. The 1 and 2 are the bounces.
Hi, Tom! Tnx for the video! Q: Do you have a plan to show the long pimples attack? Or long pimples stop? Forvard block (no chop)?
Yes, I plan to do something on long pimples in the future. I need to find a good long pimples player to help demo the shots though! I'm not much of a long pimples player myself.
ADVICE TO ALL! - This instruction is sound and it works. BUT....as Tom said, it will take practice, and I say---LOTS of it. I had been practicing these two techniques for hours on my home table and robot. These absolutely work. But in matches then, they still break down a lot because it just takes time to learn how to keep cool and use them in matches when frankly we are all amped up and excited. BOTH of these are very technical and rely heavily on great timing and bat angle. In both cases no matter what you think the eye sees - the bat angle cannot be closed full scale on short underspin. It can be closed, but needs to open up a little more is what I mean. Thank you Tom! This is excellent as are all of your videos! Your book is also excellent!
I loved this video, but your comment has me confused. i can see clearly in this video that the bat angle is closed during the backhand flick while returning short underspin.
@@KidLightning33 Yes it is. What I was conveying is the more underspin you are reversing, the more you will need to 'slightly' open your bat angle. it's going to be closed, but the degree of closeness can change depending on the amount of spin being countered. Which makes great player extremely difficult to play because they vary their spins once you lock onto what they are doing. Same in real tennis.
@@cldavis33 thank you!
In fact, with the penhold grip, forehand flicks are incredibly easy
Yes, that's true. The forehand flick is easier with the penhold grip as you can use your wrist more.
I agree but I just gave up penhold due to the fact that I can't use my backhand with it, or to be more precise, my coach did not want to train me on the modern RPB and because of that I got angry and changed the grip to the shakehand.
IsItHardToBeVegan? With trial and error, and a bit of practice, I'd reckon you'd get it.
Makka Pakka get what?
Yup i ussually do this
Im agree with coments here, whats the point on explaining how to rest a short backspin serve, ir you Don't do a single one properly? Im mean intention of the video is good but all this seems useless to me.
this serve is already not perfect short backspin serve it should bounce on the opponent side with height less than the net height also more tight to the distance to the net at the first 15% of the other side
Wow - that's a very precise way of measuring a short backspin serve! Probably not that helpful though. I think the main thing you want to achieve with a short backspin serve is to keep the ball low, get plenty of backspin and make sure the ball bounces twice on your opponent's side.
15%?? Where did you get that number from??
The best short serve is that in which the second bounce of the ball is very close to the end line while keeping as low as possible the trajectory of ball. That's all.
Really useful thank you! I think one part that was missed in this video is that he's attacking the side of the ball where the spin is less. Making it far easier to handle. This is more obviously seen in the forehand return.
The idea is good, but the short backspin ball bounced high than the net on the other side as shown in video. Therefore, it was easy to flick, and also the ball has a weak back spin on it.
There is plenty of backspin on the serve. Daniel missed plenty of the flicks when we filmed this - I only showed the ones he actually got right. But thanks for watching and commenting.
well, short backspin serves in my opinion, especially short serves, especially backspin serves is where the ball does not leave the table at all, that what you have shown was long serves with very little and almost no spin... thus very disappointing
No, all my serves were short backspin serves. If they had been left they would have bounced twice on the other side of the table.
But what if I use the ghost serve like Ma Lin did in one of his training videos? I don't think that it is possible to attack that one because the amount of spin is way too big on it. I will try to see if my coach will be able to attack my ghost serve. I will try to give it as much spin as possible so that it returns to the net if allowed to bounce.
Weak spin.
Just go to. Some Chinese tutorials
I do not know if you are competent in this field. The problem is the following. The summer is very hot and I play outdoors. So, not wishing to destroy my bat, I bought a bat for 1 pound. AND I WAS AND AM DELIGHTED. Especially with my topspins both sides. Then I bought the same bat for 1 pound, but decided to replace the rubber by the less expensive and the lightest possible. They were LKT Pro XT. The idea was simple and genius. To upgrade my bat achieving step by step better results with better rubbers. AND IT WAS AND IT IS A CATASTROPHE. I lost COMPLETELY control of my spins. The net )10%) or out (90%) . The net or out. The same movements, the same balls, the same force. Probably you know how one should play a Chinese rubber? Or what is wrong? I really ABSOLUTELY frustrated.
Ha! Well, I have not played with this rubber but I just ldid some research and it seems like a typical Chinese rubber - tacky, low throw and needs lots of energy to get anything out of the rubber. I have tried Chinese rubbers a couple of times and I just didn't play well with them. My style of play is not suited to Chinese rubbers. I had a similar experience to you - my shots were not good! So I just stick to European style rubbers now.
Yes, I think I will abandon my Chinese rubber. Wasted money, but …On the other hand, I spare for better weather my another bat with XIOM OMEGA PRO 2.00 MM. But last week I tried to play with it. Earlier I played with it quite well. Except topspin. I mean I thought that I executed topspin, but I was wrong. Your method in “How to attack a backspin ball” was really a revelation for me, and, by pure coincidence, I started to train it with my 1 pound bat and I GOT A FEELING of a topspin. Both forehand and backhand. And I am very thankful to your for wonderful tips.
But. When I tried to play with my OMEGA PRO rubbers, it was a catastrophe as well. All the balls parted out of the table. By my topspins. And once more: with the same movements, force and spins of the coming balls. I tried to diminish the angle of the bat. The result was better. But. The curve, then, is quite flat. The ball passes just above the net. And each time I an not sure if the ball goes into the net or in out.
All the pleasure of a spin (absolute control) disappeared. Have you any idea what to do?
PS
When you want to buy a bat and you do not know which, you quite often get the advice which I found quite clever and reasonable.
“Buy first a simple bat, which allows you a maximum control. Once you got the techniques, buy a better bat which allows you to be more power and sophisticated. Etc…For example, first DEF, then ALL, then OFF… I found it a quite expensive way.
But by accident, I am now in the similar situation. I control perfectly with my simple bat. I simply, just a within couple of weeks, jumped in a category of the best players of our circle with acquired topspins. So I thought, once the heat of the summer is over, I take my XIOM OMEGA PRO and I am the best.
And it is not a case. I am at a square one. Absolutely no control. And I had the impression that I felt the ball on bat while executing topspins. I did quite complicated things. But now that feeling disappeared as well.
I went through the same process. When I started my bat was too fast for and I had little control. So I switched to a slower bat and instantly my game was better as I could get better balls on the table. I then went through a process (over many years) of gradually changing to slightly faster rubbers and blades. My best advice is to stick with an 'all round' blade for time being and use 1.9mm rubbers. When you feel you have good control and consistency, then you can change to slightly faster blade / rubbers.
Your videos are awesome 💖
What if we have a long pimples bat? Can we still play a backhand flick with the long pimples side?
Yes, you can, but the technique is different (and a little easier). Essential, you can drive through the ball and pimples will send the ball back over the net. You can be quite evil with it!
Excellent again Tom, thanks so much
Hi Tom what is the best mid to high priced paddle to buy that can create a really good spin?
Very good advice but no offense, the backspin in this educational video is very minimal, almost non-existent, that's why your opponent was able to topspin or flat hit the ball, but in a real game backspins can get insanely fast/powerful.
I'm having difficulty breaking the opponent's chopper game short to the net. 80% of the time his shots are placed right next to the net with a tremendous amount of backspin. Because of the heavy spin, the ball bounces lower than the net and if left untouched, the second bounce is either very close to the first one or even closer to the net than the first bounce. Are there any tactics against those backspin shots so that I can try breaking his game?
If the backspin is really low and really heavy and really close to the net, then it's probably easier to touch the ball back short and low or you could push the ball long and wait for an easier ball to attack.
@@TomLodziak That's what I've been doing but the guy has lots of experience and when I push it back it keeps chopping over and over again until I mess up. From that position there is no way I can push it back on his side closer to the net and if I do, the ball will bounce very high then he will slam it. Chopping style is he's forte and he can do that all day long so playing what he wants is not the right approach. If he makes a mistake and I switch it to topspin the point is mine but he knows this very well and doesn't give me this opportunity, that's why I was asking for advice to break this type of game. Thank you!
@@johns5917 To beat this sort of player, your only option is to learn how to topspin consistently against backspin balls. Without this skill you will always get stuck in these backspin pushing rallies. I have a load of content about this, which may help you ...
Tactics for beating a pusher: www.tabletenniscoach.me.uk/tactics-for-beating-a-pusher/
Changing your pushing mindset: www.tabletenniscoach.me.uk/changing-pushing-mindset/
How to attack a backspin ball: ua-cam.com/video/ObuqH-d_LQI/v-deo.html
Thanks @@TomLodziak for the advice. I'll closely look into them. 👍
Thank you
It was useful
Can I call it "slap" (flip) for my better understanding?😀
You can call it whatever you want, so long as it makes sense to you!
Most of your serves a lot or some side side spin as you can clearly in the slow motion, this makes returning the serve a great deal easier, poor demonstration in truth
Sorry, that's not right. There is a little bit of sidespin on these serves, but it is mostly backspin, as you can see from the angle of my bat when I contact the ball. But thank you for taking the time for watching and commenting.
Great tutorial. Does anyone play in the Vancouver Washington area?
For me forehand flick is easier than backhand flick
Short backspin serves are vey nasty. Sometimes I try to get them with backhand flicks but end up on net
sir you are too much talking why not do the demo instead
In a game environment, the backspin serves will not have the bounce needed to play this attacking shot. In that scenario we have no option to attack
If you can attack topspin can you chop topspin?
Yes, you can.
My racket is a little bit old and my forehand rubber has lost some of its friction. Therefore I've switched my backhand and forehand sides for my play style. Now my backhand has a lot less spin on the ball. When I try to flick the ball with my backhand, the ball seems like it can't get enough spin. I feel like I have to have a little bit of forward movement but in backhand flick we almost have no forward movement. So what should I do ? Is the rubber problem for me or just the tecnique ?
It could be either. If your rubber has lost a lot of grip, then it will be harder to spin the ball. Try someone else's table tennis bat for a few minutes and see if you can spin the ball more. If you can spin the ball more, it might be time to get new rubbers. If you can't spin the ball any better, then you probably need to work on your technique.
very helpful video tank you
This is not at short serve, its half long and easy to attack even for me a low level player.
But good explanation in all fairness
good clip
Very good
The angle of the bat (return player) irritates me a bit. The underspin serves in this video seemed to be fairly mediocre in terms of spin intensity. What if served with much more underspin? Wouldn't the return player have to use a more open bat angle to play a flick successfully? I just can't play a backhand flick as shown if the serve comes with a very, very strong underspin and remains short - actually not wanting to leave the table. In that case I tend to open my bat angle and then sort of lift it - however not to create an underspin (like with a push) but more retain the spin given by the opponent (which from my view would be a top-spin then). So after watching this video I wonder if I can use a backhand flip really to return a short, heavily backward spinning serve.
Well there is plenty of backspin in the serves used in the video. But Daniel's BH flick technique is quite an advanced stroke. It has taken him A LOT of practise to do this consistently (and he did miss a fair few in filming - I just showd the ones he got on). The key to the stroke is a lot of racket speed and brusg. If your bat is too slow, the ball won't clear the net. And the way Daniel plays this flick he ball goes low over the net. The margin for error is small. You can open bat angle more and spin up more. This is easier to do (and how I tend to do it), but you don't get as much speed or spin.
Thanks! I tried it yesterday in the training and used a different rubber (PF4 1.6mm) instead of Hurricane III 2.2mm. The Hurricane was not a good choice for my play style. And yes, racket speed is key indeed as I experienced first hand. Just ordered one more PF4. Will play it on both sides.
@@danield.7359 Hey, I just wanted to say another option our coach suggested when flicking against very heavy backspin is to contact the ball on the side so the spin doesn't have as much effect. It seemed to work quite well when I could pull it off but I definitely need to practice it a lot more to get consistent.
@@MyrddraalX thanks - this makes sense. I will try it tonight, but I guess I will have to figure out how to hit the ball on the side if it comes straight at me and still play straight. Another trick is to hit the ball far below center of the racket (below the sweet spot of the bat, just above the handle - it's more greasy there and acceleration is much weaker)
@@danield.7359 Yeah you kinda have to try to position yourself so you can get around the ball, it's pretty tricky but I think worth the effort. Ah yeah that is interesting, generally I try to get as close to the top of the bat for more spin but I'm always interested in trying different variations so I'll give it a go, thanks!
That is a side spin serve. Hayzzzz
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Wicked vid! How does that serve compare to mine?
Please post the link of your website under videos
Thanks for lesson, excellent
One big problem with a backhand flick... it's telegraphed very early by watching the position of the opponents arm... in fact it's almost like slow motion... when someone is returning like this you have an age to get in position to attack their return. That's not to say "don't use it", more to say that against better opponents you'd better be bloody good at it and make a winner.
This is where ball placement is important. If you can mix up where you flick (FH, BH, middle), it is very effective and not so easy to defend against. And it's also important to recover quickly after you flick, so you can also attack the 4th ball. I have found flicks to be very effective at amateur level. And heck, the pros flick all the time! So if it's good enough for the pros, it's good enough for the rest of us.
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Great video and very clear instructions. Heaps of practice needed
Always love your instructions, thanks!
Thanks for your work. Negative commentators -you dudes do something else then throw dirt in other people work.Thanks.
How to make a perfect service
Please help me
tq for share 👍👍👍
And How about long speed servers?
Here's a video on how to return (and attack) a topspin serve ua-cam.com/video/oKvjzS_eXk8/v-deo.html
Surprised that people don't know about forehand and backhand flicks before making such comments
Thanx teacher
Hi coach, when you use the term "flick" does it mean *brush* the ball or *hit* the ball? So if we do the opposite would those techniques still call flick, or it has a different name? Thanks
A flick could be or brush or a hit. The word 'flick' just means you are playing the shot over the table closer to the net.
Wow! That’s great. Can you please create a video on it?
this move is way too big and slow and inaccurate, if you want a real way to counter short backspin look at ma long vs fanzhedong video and watch fan zhe dong's backhand twist, or 拧 in chinese
Agreed. Ma Long and Fan Zhedong are amazing. However, my videos are aimed at amateur table tennis players - mostly beginners and intermediates. I don't think it is advisable for these players to copy Ma Long and Fan Zhendong to begin with. They should start with simpler actions to begin with a progress from there.
@@TomLodziak I think that it would help a lot of people if in the future that you emphasize that these moves aren't meant to be copied directly. Each paddle and shot is different so you got to adjust accordingly, for example giving them advice on how to adjust to different shots would be very helpful.
@S E P ua-cam.com/video/A96q8X1SrcI/v-deo.html Ofc this is quite a bit harder, but its I believe its worth the investment as it is a superior technique with more potential
1-daniel prolly has expensive rubber
2- the spin on the serve isnt very strong
Daniel has good Tibhar rubbers, which helps him a little, but most important thing is his technique.
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What about when the serve comes with backspin AND sidespin? What bat angle should I take?
Don't worrk too much about the sidespin part. If you flick the ball like Daniel shows in the video, then you will override any sidespin on the ball. If it is sidespin with heavy backspin, you will need to lift the ball more. If is it is sidespin with light backspin you can play the strokes a bit more more forwards rather than up.
Ok, thank for the reply!
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Well explained and demonstrated. Thanks
This video is very helpful. Thank you, Tom.
Dont think i will be able to do that with my anti-spin rubber 😅
Ha! No, probably not! But all kinds of evilness you can do instead!
very good
Daniel is cute
good job
Amazing
Hi Tom, I notice your back spin serve seemed to have more side spin than back spin, made it easier for him to attack.?
The serves are pretty loaded with backspin. There's probably a little bit of sidespin, but mostly backspin.
Well this is exactly what Daniel is doing with his BH flick. He is getting his elbow forward to create the space to get around the side of the ball a little. If the ball was deader or no spin, Daniel's flicks would have been flying off the end of the table. I think the serve is a little deceptive. There is a lot of backspin. I have been using this serve for a long time. You have to trust me on this one!
Thanks. Since the video you mentioned in the beginning I have managed to “attack” these short backhand serves. But. I have not been managing to attack. My “attack” is not really an attack. It is just top spin instead of a backspin push or similar. But my balls are still slow and even not high, but easy to attack. And your returns in this video seem to me are easy to attack as well. They are just topspin returns instead of backhand returns. But they are not aggressive to be called a real attack.
This is when ball placement becomes very important. If you mix up where you flick (BH corner, FH corner, middle), it becomes very effective. Also, don't just think off the flick as a one off shot or a winner. You need to recover after the flick and get ready to attack thr 4th ball (if it comes back). But it sounds like your next challenge is to get more speed on your flick. If you can get more speed, then it will be much stronger.
First, of course, it is an excellent solution, and probably the only, to attack a backhand short serve / return. Secondly, of course, the ball placement permits to put the opponent under the pressure. Third, I see in international matches, that theses techniques are the real attacks.
Nevertheless, and I play with long time amateurs, my balls are more or less easily attackable. They are long (naturally), just a bit higher then the net. And as it seems to me, ALL long balls are easy to attack (by those who knows how to do it) in any case. And I do not know / find the solution. Except the placement. To make the balls stronger seems a very risky solution while the net is very near. Of course, if one has a real talent…
Next time you try BH flick do this... try to play very deep to your opponent's playing elbow. It makes it very hard for your opponent to attack your flick. I have found this to be hugely effective. Ideally you need a bit of speed too.
Thanks a lot!
By the way. These last days I played to my opponent's playing elbow. He still managed to attack. But first, now not always. Second, now his balls go to the net or out of the table at least three times more often. So now his attacks are just illusion in many cases. Thanks for the advice.
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