Bo-Katan Kryze is a Terrible Person... Kind of
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- Опубліковано 3 бер 2023
- In the second season of the Mandalorian, Din Djarin joins forces with Bo-Katan Kyrze former soverign of mandalore and leader of the nite owls. While Bo-Katan might seem like just another ally for Din Djarin to team up with, she actually has a pretty twisted and complex past. We take a look at who Bo-Katan used to be when she was a member of the Death Watch.
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What bugs me is that she keeps blaming Din and "his people," for splitting their Mandalorian people, yet it was her and those she supported that did that, when Din was a child.
She also blames other factions.
She blames Mandalorians that have split them since the end of Mandalor the great since the group split up right after his death
I agree, but I think this was done on purpose by the writers. She blames the children of the watch for the very thing she did. She is bitter and self-loathing. I think this is a character flaw the writers have given her that she can slowly overcome and redeem herself in the eyes of the audience and the mandalorians in the story.
@@walkerbragg284 Could be, and if it wasn't Disney that owned the SW franchise, I'd have probably thought of that. 🤣
@@lightdarksoul2097 yes, the very group she was part of for years.
the fact pre viszla stated multiple times that her own sister satine would be dead once they were in power and Bo never argued with that is pretty questionable. I wonder if she had plans to betray viszla herself but we’ll never know
As a "true Mandalorian" they believed in combat and the idea of "only the strongest should lead". So if she ever felt vizla was getting old or she would be a better fighter, then yeah she probably would see it as a duty to eventually kill him too
She is a total sociopath.
They should just stop trying to redeem her, it is like trying to redeem Palpatine. Just kill her off already.
@@typo6616 but would she have let satine die is the real question
@@Theosake The armor was always built to resist most damage (in addition to Lightsabers) dating back to when clone wars was still on tv. They called it Mandalorian iron but they didn't change much on the tv series. If you watch season 2 when they take the Gonzanti, Bo Katan, Koska and Axe are hiding behind the walls and Din runs out with his armor and all the grenades in front of them.
I really think Bo was a kid who didn't fully understand what she was getting into.
Bo Katan has terrible social skills when it comes to try win any potential allies, who could have helped her, on her side only to drive them away instead.
Think that’s why she was the second command to vizla who maintained that role.
Good combatants rarely make good diplomats especially if they are particularly prone to sheer brutality.
She acts like her former boss too much. She can keep the military traditions but more level headed like her sister.
You ever wonder why half of Death Watch sided with Darth Maul after he defeated their leader?? Its because Maul spoke their warrior language through combat...
And he bested their leader through skill...
The Mandalorians and Sith have a very long history of being allies in past times... And it goes back in ancient times too...
Mandalorians and Sith are very similar to each other...
Death Watch Mandalorians who sided with Maul adored him and were fiercely loyal to him...
But... Bo-Katan couldn't comprehend that even her former comrades are just following their warrior creed and tradition...
She definitely could have used some of the diplomatic skills of her sister.
To this day, the thing that irks me about Bo is her and Pre Vizsla attempting to assassinate Satine on numerous different occasions and was completely on board with it. Then in Season 7, she tries to guilt trip Obi-Wan about that if he really cared for Satine he would help Mandalore. Literally using her sister who she tried to kill as a means to try and manipulate an ally.
She tried to save Satine though, after Maul killed Vizsla and took over Mandalore.
Funny thing about Bo Katan and Obi-Wan: There was an episode in Season7 in The Clone Wars where Obi-Wan wanted to talk to Ahsoka about Anakin privately, but Bo wasn't happy about that. I'm thinking that Obi-Wan didn't trust Bo, but maybe that's just me. 🤔
That's psychopathy for ya. She got her sister killed but instead of owning up to it (or showing any amount of remorse) she tries to guilt trip her sister's boyfriend like a total cunt
@@garrettdonovan8238 Only to get Obi Wan to Mandalore so she can let him walk into the trap she knew about to get him and Satine killed.
@@AdultThirdCultureKid1971 Of course he doesn't she's a terrorist.
It’s really frustrating that Bo Katan has been spared the consequences of her actions. I was hoping that ahsoka would hold her somewhat accountable in rebels.
sometimes living with the consequences is the real hell.
@@parcirecords well she still seems pretty self righteous and ocassionally pleased with herself from what I’ve watched
@@alaskanbullworm5500 don't think.
Just watch the super cool and awesome woman act awesome and cool.
'She refuses the Darksaber because she hasn't won it by combat as tradition dictates'
Oh so NOW she's all about tradition and honour and such
Remember how she was fine with Darth Maul challenging Pre Vizsla in a 1v1 warrior against warrior duel for the throne in Clone Wars season 5, until the moment Vizsla lost and got decapitated by Maul using the Darksaber. All of a sudden that sacred duel didn't mean anything to Bo Katan while even Vizsla agreed he lost
Yeah, every time she complains that Din's people "split our people," I think, "you actually involved in doing just that and Din was just a child at the time, and yet you blame him?
I think she doesn't really care for the tradition but know her followers do, so that means she have to play along even if she doesn't believe it for the best.
To be fair i feel as if both in rebels and in the mandalorian she learned from that experience
She took controll when maul was rightful ruler her people divided themselves and the empire took over
She took the darksaber without earning it through combat (after initially refusing it and having it forced upon her by a bunch of clans) the empire destroys mandalor
Shes refusing it now because she has learned from her mistakes and so she won't take it without fighting for it and she won't divide her people by attacking din for it i think she now cares about the tradition and honor because she learnt its important.
Yes she is very salty but i think considering how terrible her life has been her people constantly getting invaded by outsiders its fine to sulk in a big chair she still helped din and did give her blessing to unite her faction under his rule
@@somethingsomethingelse7706 That is another take, and not a bad view on it.
"NOW" several decades later...
Bo-Katan is the anti-Din Djarin. Din Djarin is on a selfless quest to preserve and protect. Although he is tough and ruthless, he is honest, honorable, a man of his word, and usually, very polite. Bo-Katan is on a selfish quest for personal power, and will tell any lie, break any law, abrogate any oath, or bluntly alter any agreement in order to make that happen.
Exactly.
The armorer is also anti-Bo-Karen, at least from what was shown so far. She cares about her clan and doesn´t bend the rules even if they don´t suit her at the moment. She exiled Din but she didn´t try to kill him for not keeping the creed, and she gave him a possibility to redeem himself.
I feel like she isn’t selfish tho I feel like she feels she failed and she feels a strong desire to make up for her failures she likely feels responsible for the entirety of mandalores demise and at this point she is basically giving up
@@andrewbernard1911 I agree
@@andrewbernard1911kay, but you can make things better without having to be you the leader. Din shown many times how easily ppl will follow him and will stay by his side. This woman depends on a fucking sword for loyalty. What would u do? Take a step back and support the one u believed had the better skills to lead and restore mandalore, what did we do? Stay sulking in our big thrown room. "I want to bring Mandalore back to greatness as long I'm the one rulling it, no matter what" did she grow? Sure. But not much in those 30 years
So basically she's a modern feminist
As others have pointed out, Din was a child when he first joined the watch, the very same watch that saved his life when he was a child. Bo Katan, was an adult who helped overthrow her sister with the help of maul, and she also was fully supportive of Mandalorian traditions up until Maul won against Vizla, she is hypocritical at best and down right narcissistic at worst, no wonder she can't drum up support when she constantly changes what she belives in.
She believes in nothing. She is just power-hungry narc who uses everyone around her as tools. Even Pre Vizsla was more of a tool to her than a lover. She wanted power through him and threw a tantrum when Maul interferred with her plans.
She wanted the darksaber only because she could make the Mandos follow her easily thanks to it. She obviously thinks they are dumb and doesn´t have any respect for them. And she is surprised they abandoned her...
It’s staggering how many times the Mandalorians sided with this idiot.
And she was sort of racist about Maul and the clones
@@carlycrays2831 You're absolutely right..That comment on Clones was disgusting..She straight dehumanized Boba in his face...🤡
she has evolved and matured
I've said this for years man!
Back during the Clone Wars, she was okay with Pre Vizla murdering Dutchess Satine of Mandalore, her own sister, and ruling the planet with an ironfist. But when Maul does it, that's crossing a line? Such a hypocrite.
Main reason I never liked her and them trying to reshape her character doesn't work for me. She's a hypocrite and a sore loser.
Thank you! I’ve been saying that for years but the fanboy-simps kept coming to her defense!
A bit like Anakin I guess, jedi, then supporting a tyrant, then back as a Jedi again (sort of playing both sides of the force in the clone wars). Even the jedi work for the worst sith lord in history before realizing their mistake.
You just don't understand how Mandalorian society works. Mandalorians are proud warriors, train from childhood to become fierce combatants. Martial prowess and honor are two concepts very important in their culture. And they even have a creed every Mandalorian need to follow.
From Bo-Katan's point of view, Satine was destroying Mandalorian culture and was not, by any mean, a Mandalorian since she was not following the creed or having any martial prowess.
Yes she was okay with Pre Vizsla killing her sister because :
- Satine was not a Mandalorian from her point of view.
- Satine was destroying Mandalorian culture, weakening Mandalore.
- Pre Vizsla was her Mand'alor and loyalty to Mand'alor is something very important for any true Mandalorian warrior.
By the way, Maul was not Mandalorian either so when he took the throne, it was obvious she would not follow him. She's not hypocrite, she's just being Mandalorian.
@@quentinberger4639 well it's obvious mandlorin culture sucks
I have to say I’ve always felt that Ahsoka and everyone forgave her deathwatch career pretty quickly. Not to mention the way she called out Obi wan for not caring about Satine was a low blow and horribly hypocritical
I know right ? that b*** was trying to kill her sister for most of the clone wars and now she's here telling Obi-Wan he doesn't care about Satine
I sort of give Ahsoka a pass because she was a kid and she was really trying to make herself look grown up in front of Obi-Wan and Anakin. And she would likely grow to wish she hadn't said all that.
Forgiveness is irrelevant. Ahsoka wanted to take down Maul, and Sabine's Mandos wanted to take Mandalore back.
Bo Katan: *antagonizes anyone that doesn't fit her own Mandalorian standards with an insufferable attitude*
Mandalorians: *leave*
Bo Katan: *surprised Pikachu face*
Mandalorians: Do you really believe your own hype that much?
Bo Katan: I AM THE HYPE!!!
Every past mandalore: No you are not
Also, taps Ahsoka’s ass before Lux! Woman of culture!
@@IsaiahRichards692 Isnt that sexual harassment tho
@@Haloguy3959 It’s just flirting, minus the consent!
Bo-Katan is (together with Pre Viszla) a main contributor to Mandalorian society falling apart.
And she still does not seem to be reflective about this at all
She probably still thinks that the passivist movement was the contributor to splitting mando culture into the various factions even though that’s an obvious revisionist take. The clans have always been rivals, fighting each other in various wars over millennia.
Aristocrats do like to Aristocrat
Typical woman who lacks accountability and would rather blame someone else for the repercussions she suffers 😂
She is a narcissist.
@Ultimate Sora ouch. But true.
I still remember the Bo Katan the racist memes, viciously skewering the fact that by Death Watch's own standards Darth Maul legitimately took control of the clan only for her to outright reject it.
yeah, and with complete disregard of how the ancient Mandalorian way was to accept any and all species within the fold. The original Mandalorian species who decided that, wasn't even human. They were essentially the Star Wars equivalent of Predators and the original natives of Coruscant.
The only reason humans ended up being the largest racial group within the Mandalorians is because most of the planets around where the Mandalorians started recruiting and invading with that ideology of Mandalorians being a culture, not a species happened to be populated by a lot of humans.
Bo-Katan would likely never want to accept Grogu has an actual Mandalorian foundling. On the other hand, the Armorer was all for it.
Bo-Katan and those of Death Watch who left with her after Maul won were prejudiced and cherry picking rules and codes of the Ancient Mandalorians that fit their personal agenda. On the other hand, the Mandalorians from Death Watch who stayed with Maul and accepted him were actually the ones following the real ancient traditions.
They weren't good people either, but I can at least respect their firm will to their ideology when they became actually loyal to Maul. Well, not all of them were truly loyal. Some like Gar Saxon were in it only for the power that came with it while some others like Rook Kast were genuinely loyal towards Maul.
@@sancturillore I mean sure to some extent. But are we really going to pretend that Maul followed the mandalorian ways other then at moments when it would benefit him? I think it very clear its more about him not really being mandalorian. Not that he was not human. Ofc there is nothing outright saying that. But acting shocked that she would not accept a sith outsider she already planned to get rid of is not that shocking. But yes tradition have never really mattered to her it feels like. She is always on the side of power and pragmatism to get what she wants. Going from planing to kill her sister to rescuing her all for the sake of the politics of it. She even changes the deal with Djin in the last season mockingly saying "this is the way" while doing so. Its not the largest backstab but its the same kind of practical flexibility around honor and tradition. But thats also kind of the entire thing about mandalorians. Every story about them have always been a mix of infighting merc clans and honor bound warriors.
@@RasakBlood maul is a living embodiment of most mandalorian values except for honor...sith values of how fighting is pretty much necessary for people to evolve is mandalorian 101 too. All that talk of power and will to power
@@powderedwiglouis1238 he should've gotten armor then he would've been a true mando
@@flamebreaker7318i know im late but maul didn't really have time to get beskar armor
The night of 1,000 tears happened during Bo-Katan's leadership.
thats what im saying. anytime bo is given the leadership role, she shows time and time again that she is a walking L . how tf do you lose an important relic like a darksaber??? TWICE???
@@glamglam8347 That's why she's now all alone in The Mandalorian season 3.
Idk how anyone was expected to fight off that many bombers at once
@@neofulcrum5013 Mandalorian pride failed I guess
And she didn´t die because she ran away like a coward she is. She has no obvious injury, no prosthetics, not even a scratch. She doesn´t look like someone who was fighting to death to protect Mandalore and keep the darksaber...
Admittedly my opinion is slightly biased as I came into Mandalorian culture through the republic Commando books, but I find her comments to Din in the recent episode to be ironic since every point along the way she has participated in the division of Mandalorians. While she has done some heroic things, she is fundamentally a self interested Villan. Not that she can't be redeemed, but right now she is salty because she's not in control anymore.
I hate what Filloni did to the mandolorians in general but Bo Katan is probably the most interesting character because of her many flaws, some of which are what make her a bad leader.
i mean yeah, her character was originally solidly antagonistic: an insurgent and terrorist against a peaceful government. I don't think she fundamentally changed at all, starting the Mandalorian civil war not out of a motive to help the people, but out of xenophobia. I don't think she's fundamentally changed since her first appearance
Bo Katan Octillionare grindset: Hate stable government. Overthrow government. Install government everyone hates. Refuse diplomacy. Get invaded. Flee created disaster. Rinse, repeat, and refuse to elaborate. (Or until there’s literally no one left).
@@RedElm747 This is an interesting point. Part of what makes Bo interesting is that she is just a bad person. She doesn't really grow as a person so much as she flips between ideals and goals depending on what is easier.
A good warrior might be able to beat many in combat. Yet being a good warrior does not mean they'll shine as leader or even a soldier were you must again rely on others. Bo Katan fits this mold. She is formidable when she fights few, but loses every war she fights.
@Ultimate Sora You’re a plot device.
This is why it’s a pretty idiotic requirement that the leader come to power by winning in single combat.
@@jeffreycarman2185 But that is the point: the Mandolorian ways are awful. They just create people like Bo or Jango or Pre, people who are just eaten up by the system and spit out as monsters.
@@jeffreycarman2185 It is ofc. But if you want something to be interesting it can not be perfectly sensible. Because sensible is by design boring.
That and the overwhelming arrogance they have towards everyone that THEIR way is so obviously better and more honourable despite it leading to them either killing each other or becoming puppets to another faction 90% of the time
I think they seriously need to address her past in Mando season 3 especially with her taking jabs at Djins past that she shares even to a worse degree
Mandalorian in season 3: nah, she's a good guy now. Don't ask how, just shut up and clap as the series protagonist simps for Space Karen
Bo Katan never changed his point of view. She always wanted Mandalore to be a nation based on war and battles. She was with Deathwatch and she still keeps their ideology.
I just think clone wars showrunners forgot about her character development
-Breaks away with a group that is actively trying to dispose her legitimate queen sister, essentially being fine with her dying just to get the throne herself.
-Is one of the two most major people that saved Maul and brought him to the group, starting a series of events that changed the fate of the galaxy.
-Broke away from Maul even though he won the duel legitimately, making her a hypocrite filled with prejudice.
-Her sister gets killed by the man she helped put on the throne, brings the Republic into the conflict, ensuring that the future Empire *would* be aware of Mandalore, also making it so Ahsoka will be far away from Anakin to help Obi Wan.
-Years later would accept the saber without winning it and leading her people to a massacre.
-Blames Din and "his people" despite her being much worse and to blame for their situation.
-Is often an obnoxious jerk against Din and Boba, making her look as an extreme hypoctrite.
-That's Bo Katan, which is why I can't like her, despite the Mandalorian trying everything (pretty well) to make her likable and a badass.
You forgot to mention Bo didn't tell Obi Wan and Satine that sith had taken control of deathwatch and allowed Obi Wan to walk into a trap she knew about to get him and Satine killed.
Idc how much character development she gets this season, she solidified her place in history as Bo Katan the Cursed.
If Din is the single dad, Bo is the divorced dissapointed mom
Hehe this
She looks like a mom ngl
We all know IG-11 is the real mom.
More like the karen mom who blames her children for why they don't call her.
@@regularguy2807 lol 😂
As per her track record, what faction she joined that faction was destroyed or lost.... So I want her far far away from our beloved Mando & Groogu
She betrayed her sister and joined Death Watch to restore old ways. Yet, she holds no respect for them, she goes against them and see them as nothing but superstition. She's villain and not even really competent one as most of her victories were achived by others (Maul's defeat, Dark saber, even Gideon fall). I hope we will finally finish with her after S3 of Mando.
Some say that she feels guilt over her actions, but it does not redeem her in any way as she didn't do anything to atone for her crimes.
I still would like to know what caused the rift between Bo-Katan and Satine
I wanna know who Corkey Kryze parents are!
Does Satine have another sibling?
Is BoKatan a terrible mother on top of her other issues ?
Is Kenobi involved?
Satine is a pacifist. Bo thinks mamdalore should have a strong military.
@@richmuller5031 Corkey Kenobi?
@@richmuller5031 According to Wookieepedia he is the nephew to both Satine and Bo-Katan, implying that there is another sibling in the mix
Politics.
Bo Katan is the epitome of a gaslighting narcissist. Like when she tells Obi-Wan "I thought you cared about her" talking about Dutchess Satine after playing a direct roll in her murder. Or blaming the children of the watch for the downfall of mandalore when she was the one ruling mandalore during the purge. She couldn't even maintain her grasp of the darksaber against Moff Gideon and she never even earned it through battle in the first place. She was so divisive when it came to the mandalorians it's insane. Dutchess Satine lead Mandalore to one of their greatest economical booms almost overnight and Bo Katan wanted to overthrow her own sister, only being upset that her sister was killed by an "outsider" one that she propped up to take control. Almost all of the disasters that fell on Mandalorians from the clone wars and on are a direct result of her bad leadership.
I'm starting to see why Disney had such a hard on for her now....
Characters like Bo-Katan are those that you want around just to see them get their comeuppance. They also make the universe more interesting and true-to-life: Not everyone is inherently good or inherently evil.
Bo Katan is probably one of the characters in Star Wars I hate the most. Joined Death Watch because she was both screwing the guy in charge and because she basically has a misguided sense of honor, helps overturn her sister resulting in her death, practically hands Mandalor over to Maul resulting in a Civil War that leaves the planet so divided and weak that the Empire effortlessly walks over them reducing the planet to glass and her people scattered across the Galaxy.
She is easily almost entirely responsible for everything bad that happened to Mandalor and the fact she never, ever admits it or faces any kind of consequences is infuritating.
Exile and erosion of her power base?
@@IsaiahRichards692 lmao sitting on an uncomfotable time out chair and pouting about how unfair her life is. is that her punishment? and while shes sitting in her chair she still has the audacity to look down on din
She lost everything from her actions. What more do you want?
@The Hill how about admitting her sister wa right? That she has no one to blame but herself. Admit she screwed up in the worst way?
@@Hillthugsta Grounded for a week?
Not a fan of the fact she was willing to commit sororicide and then use her sister’s death at the hands of Maul to guilt trip Obi Wan.
But man does she feels like real person you could possibly meet outside
Don't forget the fact that she was never punished for anything she did.
Yet
I would argue she has been, it's just that it's always more in the sense that she has to act as a "witness" more than anything else.
She did..she lost mandalore, and the darksaber..we just have not seen that
100% true.
@@ochoahighs98 That was more punishment for her people than her.
She was second in command of the Organization that attempted not one, not two, not even three but a total of 6 Assassination attempts on her own Sister. She enslaved populations and burned their homes to the ground. She was more than happy unleash death and destruction on her people to gain Power. And when she lost that power to Maul she betrayed Death Watch(Maybe you shouldn't say true believer when it is a lie) then invited a Republic Invasion of Mandalore that became an Imperial Occupation. She then went on to gaslight Sabin Wren into giving her the Dark Saber she did not earn herself only to lose it and Mandalore to the Imperials again. She is a monster by normal standards. By Mandalorian Standards she has violated every code in existence not just The Watchs stuff.
I'd shit my pants if she could even recite the Canons of Honor... I sure as hell wouldn't have any toilet paper.
Watching the second episode I get the impression that Bo-Katan was less concerned of the deaths of her subjects and more upset that her little playground where everyone pampered her is now gone.
this is whyit bugs me that bo katan disses din for being a child of the watch when she practically turned him into that
I hope there comes a time when Din learns of what transpired during the Clone Wars that led to the fall of Mandalor.
Din needs to have a nice long talk with Asoka.
Disney: so she murdered children to undermine her sister's attempts to maintain Mandalore's neutrality, big fucking deal. Just watch her look cool and clap you ungrateful manbaby.
I think Bo-Katan is simply a case of: she was was created to be a side kick villain but along the way they tried to changed her and because it didn't really made sense they had to make other character forgive her and call her a hero so the audience accept it
I think this is what makes her so interesting. She was just one of those characters you didn't know would survive. There was so much death on TCW that it actually made it hard to get attached to any character.
I think Disney has a huge opportunity to show the stories from the time period Satine, Bo and their Father mentioned briefly during their Father's time forming a ruling governing faction for Mandalore and Mandolorians, and accepted Jedi assistance guarding his daughters from opposition forces, the time period when Obi-Wan enters Satine's life. I am interested in knowing more about their Mother and Father and his and her impact in Satine leaning toward a Pacifists Way and Bo's pursuit of a her interpretation of a Warriors Way.
12:23 How did the Children of the Watch know the parts they weren't there for?
I think that's the thing I actually like about Bo Katan. She is actually a pretty terrible person who took part in dooming her people, getting her sister killed and pitching her people into a brutal civil war that would ultimately completely wipe Mandolore off the map. Yet, her principles is literally all she has left, because any attempt to change has resulted in tragedy. In particular, I love how she's eyeing up the Mandolorian with the Darksaber, both wondering whether she could kill him for it or remain honourable. This is despite the fact that Din really, really doesn't care and just wants to leave in sharp contrast to his even stricter honour system.
She is a cruel person I love to see on screen because she is both noble and deeply flawed. Bound to a honour system that, frankly, was an excuse to seize power that went wrong, and has spent the rest of her life paying for her rebellion.
Yeah, I'm not sure her character would work anymore if you didn't have Din there. The man just does not care, he has no idea what is going on. He is, really, an almost innocent man who just wanted her help to save his child. She hates him, she does seem to want to kill him, and yet, how can she?
Agreed. And seeing her now trapped by tradition. Abandoned because she did not return with the saber failing AGAIN as a leader. But also knowing that the same thing would probably have happened if she returned with it but not having earned it again. How she talks about it telling din to go lead them because they will follow him if he just swings the saber around. The words seems filled with bitterness but also apathy. Fitting for a character in her position.
Same. Bo-K isn't so much a hero or an antihero, more an...anti-villain. Someone who's done terrible things believing they were the right thing to do (and maybe because she was young and starry-eyed about Vizsla being a REAL Mandalorian who'd treat her right?) and who's been paying for those mistakes for decades now. Her flawed devotion to a system that has hurt her as much as anyone else is sad ultimately because it's all she has left. I like a good lawful good hero but someone like Bo-K is just endlessly fascinating for their flaws and problems.
She’s just a bad character
@@carlycrays2831 he’s everything she is not selfless
Basically never grew up. And when she promised something that she couldn’t deliver, everyone left. So now she sulks, like the child who lost the toy, and is feeling sorry for herself when everyone left. I half expected her to be drinking.
Ironically, the one who is probably more Mandalorian than she ever was is the one person who actually defeated Moff Gideon.
Heck, she even told him to go find them and lead them. And maybe the stricter rules might help them.
“Your overconfidence is your weakness…” that’s her downfall right there.
First of all, thank you! I don't generally agree with your takes on Star Wars, but this really needed to be said. Bo-Katan was nothing short of utterly vile during her appearences in the original run of TCW, that's what made her a fan-favorite. She was a badass bad girl, like Ventress before her.
While I understand in-universe she changed since then, the problem is, she had a serious lack of on-screen development. Maybe, if Disney didn't cancel TCW, she would've gotten a proper redemption-arc, but the way Rebels and TCW S7 The Mandalorian brought her back, and just pretended that she's a Jooan of Arc figure for Mandalore was really, really irritating (the scene where she throws Satine's murder at the hands of Maul in Obi-Wan's face is stomach churning, especially considering loyal she was to Pre Vizsla, who told her to her face, that he was going to kill Satine). Katee Sackhoff's interview with ScreenRant seems to imply that they're finally going to address her crimes this season, so that's something I'm actually looking forward to, and I've been lukewarm towards The Mandalorian at best.
The Mandalorian and Book of Boba are the only shows which don´t pretend she is a hero. She is loathsome manipulator in The Mando and the armorer hints on her hypocrisy in Boba Fett show.
Honestly I believe that The Mandalorian hit its stride best when each episode mostly stood alone. Trying to build toward a larger story (that seems to be not very well thought out) is not really that satisfying. It is entertaining though. I also wish the writing were better.
@@jeffreycarman2185 This is ironic because people were bi*ching specificaly about the standalone episodes structure.
This is a classic "doomed if they do, doomed if they don´t" situation.
@@Theosake The factions will be explained. You are supposed to not know the details at this point. It can´t be all explained at once.
Rebels is a crappy kiddie show which shouldn´t be canon. That would solve the most of problems.
If you want some explanation about the armor there is one: pure beskar vs beskar mixed with other materials vs non-beskar armor.
The irl explanation is the protagonists in Rebels have ridiculously thick plot armor.
Mandalorian season three: nah, she's the bestest evar!
I think her first appearance in season 3 on the throne was perfect. Filled with apathy and dejected after loss after loss, fail after fail because of her own actions. Because of traditions and politics, now she is trapped in all of that. Dammed if she would have taken the saber again braking tradition but as we see equally dammed when she returns without it and the last of her credibility as a leader melts away. Sitting alone in an empty throne room seemingly at a loss for what to do. We will see how the story plays out. But i find her to be a very interesting character.
She should have lost all credibility the moment she tried to take a swing at the Empire in Rebels and got Mandalore destroyed (er.... minorly inconvenienced)
Bo-katan is named after Dave Filoni's cat "boogie-cat-anne"
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Was her behavior in the Mandalorian show to be ignored like how she disrespected Boba fett and her comments about the Children of the Watch? Bo-Katan Kryze yes was determined to reclaim Mandalore and seemed wiser than before but she developed an overwhelming hunger for both vengeance and more importantly the Darksaber that Moff Gideon held which we never learned how she lost it to him to begin with. During the whole 2nd season she was hellbent for it I fear she's taken to the allure of power but knows not to cross tradition like before. In many respects Bo-Katan is a powerful and confident warrior but she's without honor given her tutelage by Pre Visla for she is willing to do whatever it takes to secure what she wants. For now she seems reluctant to challenge Din Dijarn, but who knows what she will do in the new season if she will be indeed honorable or succumb to her worser impulses to take what she wants for she demonstrated in the assault on Gideon's bridge how ruthless she is and willing to achieve her goals no matter the cost.
That's the thing with the Mandalorians. I do think that the Watch shouldn't have the Darksaber. They are too rigid to their beliefs and it wouldn't be right to make all Mandalorians be that way but Bo needs to be more fair and try to understand other ways exist to rule. Mandalore keeps destroying itself and they need to change of they are gonna regain some sense of glory
Well to put in contex, she is like a former member of a cult that suddenly meet the member of another (but ironically related with her former) cult so a certain level of 'dislike' is natural and regarding Boba Fett, yes we all like him due to the cool factor but better remember that he is a notorious bounty hunter/criminal/lone wolf and his father IRC was not in good term with the mandalorian government
@@lightdarksoul2097 Mandalore is a classic greek trajedy, writ planet-wide. The fatal flaw, that they think is a strength, will always bring them down.
She behaved terribly in The Mandalorian. The bratty insults aside, she deliberately waited until Din got in trouble to "help" him to make him feel obliged to help her. She could just recruit him in a normal way but she wanted him to be in danger, so she could look like a savior.
Then she lied about the purpose of the mission and changed the deal during it.
She lied about "rightfully hers" darksaber.
She ignored Din when he asked for help to save Grogu. Boba and Fennec on the other hand offered help by themselves. She agreed only because she smelled a chance to get the darksaber.
She also wanted to take the darksaber illegitimately but Gideon roasted her too hard. :D
And speaking of season 3 I suspect her from sending Din to die in the mines by some monster, so she could pull the darksaber out of a pile of poodoo later and make up some cool story about killing the bad guy who killed poor Din, sob!
@@Mouse_Metal I only doubt that she wants to just get the saber, she has to do it legitimately this time since last time she took/was given it she still failed so maybe she thinks if she does it the right way she will be able to actually get the job done
She's an angry and oft spiteful person, but this isn't the last we'll see of her, I suspect we'll see her and Din together more - she's dejected but Din is offering her a hand...
About time I see a video like this. I’ve always had the biggest problem with Bo Katan and her 180 from villain to hero. Like she was literally a terrorist and just because she didn’t like Darth Maul they made her into some kind of “hero”. She is hands down my least favorite Star Wars character
Bo Katan is essentially the equivalent of the Taliban and did things just as bad if not worse than the empire. She was more of a follower than she was a leader. She knows how to conduct herself in a war but she doesn't really know how to govern. The fact that all of her followers left her also says she lacks the charisma to get people to stick around.
I do look forward to her own series though as she will be one of star wars few series about anti heroes or even villains. She is one of the more interesting characters though.
According to Dave Filoni he got Bo-Katan's name from his wife, Anne, and their cat Boogie. He mushed those two together: Boogie Cat Anne = Bo-Katan.
She is the sole reason for Mandalorian Purge
Don't forget that it wasn't just the Empire that glassed the surface of mandalore. From what we've seen from both the children of the watch and the night owls, the surface of Mandalor is probably going to have to get glassed yet again if any of them get power.
The planet Mandalor was devastated by centuries of civil war and infighting. The planet was so devastated they had to live in domed cities.
On names, let's not forget one of the more famous ones from the prequels, Nute Gunray - named for President Raygun (Reagan)
On Bo Katan, I always just assumed it was a reference to two weapons - the Bo staff and the Katana. Makes sense for someone as warlike and obsessed with ruling by violence as she was when first introduced
Bo Katan is a classic character, the problem with society is that their not the one on top. They don’t seem to actually care about real problems just that their not the one calling the shots.
What type of idiot excuse is THAT? She instigated the destruction (er.... minor inconvenience) of her home planet and we're expected to throw ourselves down and lick her feet because Disney said she was redeemed (but didn't actually show it)?
Take your bullshit and shove it, simp
"Mandalorian royalty" is an oxymoron.
You know Bo-Katan is going to be a lot more influential and appear more often in this new season of "The Mandalorian" since Katee Sackoff's name is now listen as "Starring" along with Pedro Pascal, something that had not happened with any other actor/character in the previous two seasons; all other actors (prior) being listed as "Co-Starring" (or otherwise "featured/featuring".)
I appreciate Generation Tech's analysis of Bo-Katan's history/story, and I have no disagreement. I've always liked Bo-Katan as a character in general because she is so complex which makes her very interesting. It is awesome that Katee Sackoff not only voiced Bo-Katan in both animation series (Clone Wars/Rebels,) but of course she is also such a "Doll" as the live action counterpart.
My dislike for her rose when she played the Satine Card against Obi Wan when trying to get help from the republic. Really wished Kenobi retorted that she helped depose her sister be it directly or indirectly. Hope she never becomes mandalore.
"a cautionary tale" seemed an understatement
I’d always thought her name came from weapons: Bo staff and Katana.
There's two things I'd like to say about Mandolorian culture and the show. I think That Din IS the mando that his people need. He was willing to hear out Bo and accept boba as a mando, yet still stuck to his own beliefs. I think Grogu and his adventures have changed him, and he could be what his people need. A unifier. I think the force brings the dark saber to those who are worthy of it, Sabine just turned away from the call.
OR...
The mandalorain alluded to in the title, is in fact Grogu. That his hybrid upbringing from jedi to mando is closing the thousand-year circle. The dark saber started as a mando jedi, and will return to one.
As I told a non-Star Wars fan friend of mine, Bo Katan is kind of a bad person. Since the death the sister (which she is implicit in), she was solely focused on ruling Mandalore. And that's why I like her so much!
The problem with a civilization of individualistic often sadistic super-commandos is that they are individualistic and sadistic. They were never unified under one ideology or even nationality for long. Maybe that’s what Children of The Watch is all about, trying to build and maintain a collective identity.
Would fit with the extreme of never taking of the helmet. Kind of saying you are mandalorian first and foremost. Trying to suppress individuality and in fighting.
What I find odd is why Bo Katan is so young in the Mandalorian series. She should be about as old as Obi Wan.
Wearing a helmet probably keeps your face more wrinkle free
She seems more like Anakin's age
Obi-Wan was on a desert planet with two suns.
That was my biggest complaint from season 2, Bo looks to be in her thirties when she should atleast be close to 60. Not sure how old she was during the fall of Mandalore but she clearly was an adult.
At the very, very youngest at least in her fifties.
People forgot about her and pre visla in the clone wars.
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I find it interesting how she blames everyone but herself for the division of her people. For instance, she blames the Children Of The Watch for fracturing her people when Death Watch caused even more damage. If Din Djarin actually becomes the leader of the Mandalorians, she might be a good Consort for him, as long as he has other counsel that is as good or better.
How would she be a good consort for him?
Bo Katan: *refuses to take the Darksaber because of Mandalorian superstition*
Also Bo Katan: *criticizes Din Djarin for following Mandalorian superstition*
She might not believe in that superstition. But she know the other mandalorians do. Why do you think she needed the saber it in the first place?
@@RasakBlood because she lacked the necessary qualities of a leader--she's far lazy and self-centered to care about any of that.
Bo-Katan was/is a spoiled middle child. Who runs around crying for attention. She led a revote against her sister. And did you not watch season 2 finally? She screamed to get on that star cruiser. And when she didn't get the dark Saber. Her forces melted away. Some even join Childern of the Watch.
I’d love to see a couple of episodes showing what the other Mandalorians are doing with that Arquitens-class command cruiser they commandeered. Along with a couple squads of Gauntlet gun ships these Mandalorians would be a formidable fighting force.
The dark saber should never have been given to her. Sabine should have led her people.
As someone who came from a high achieving family that was also narcissistic, how Bo-katan talks to her sister the Duchess is probably how I would talk to my own sister if I had to at this point. I was the scape goat target in my family and would still be subject to that had I not cut off ties to both sister and mother. The rare times I see them at mutual family events I walk away if they approach, because they don't get to use it as an ambush. When family becomes enemies, it can be nasty.
Bo is the narcissist in the shows.
Wow cool story, needs more dragons.
@@Theosake I was bullied by my siblings right through to college, I was also targeted by extend family. Likewise, I was bullied at school, right through to High school graduation and even have signatories that say stupid shit like "Haha I ruined your project in grade 9 socials studies and I don't regret it". I was once left in the US (I'm Canadian and was visiting) because my mother was upset about a package of fabric that was supposed to arrive that SHE mislabeled and so it got sent back to the sender. My sister decided to treat me like her 12 year old child for this event and blame me, an adult disabled person, for the actions of a grown woman when I WASN'T EVEN IN THE SAME BUILDING, let alone the same room or the car with her. I can't make her print a paper map, so why was it my fault she didn't have one? After all this and plenty more, I still gave them multiple chances to behave like decent human beings and a) treat my like an adult equal and b) accept responsibility for their own adult actions.
More than 3 decades of abuse what I would call justification enough to cut them off. They had plenty, PLENTY of time and opportunities to them to behave in an appropriate manner, both by my trying to make contact AND my father trying to heal something beyond broken by talking to my siblings (it worked with my brother, not my narcissistic sister). THEY were given the choice and continued to behave like narcissistic brats.
I will not go to my cousins wedding and out of no warning have my mother jump on me, the DEAF person, from behind. Nor will I let my sister walk up to lecture me about my behaviour like a child when I'm over 40 years old. (And if I won't let THEM lecture me, what makes you think it's fine that YOU do it?) We are not there to deal with our shit and I will not ruin my cousins wedding getting upset because they decided to try and "fix things" in an innappropriate venue. (Just one of many, many things over the years)
You assume I got emotional. Did I say I got emotional? NO, I said I was the scape goat of a narcissistic family system. I WALKED AWAY when my narcissist sister tried to AMBUSH me at a family function. If she wants an apology from me or wants to apologize TO me, it won't be at a family function because that is a recipe for a problem right THERE. If she wants to accept responsibility, or not, it won't be on happenstance or, "Oh good, two birds withone stone."
I appreciate what I did and earned for myself. I also never said we were rich. I said High achieving, which meant you got good attention for good grades, and bad attention or nothing at all or for something that wasn't seen as successful, and for everything else, and that was my extended family too, not just my nuclear family.
For example: in my extended family anyone who graduates high school or post secondary (especially prestiguous university) education is celebrated. I have a master's degree, but because I was the visually easy target and scape goat I barely got a hello how are you where every other family member that was typically presenting had a party to celebrate their achievement.
At age two I learned that my needs (learning language through ASL) were secondary to my family. As soon as I was ffited with hearing aids, I lost all contact with ASL, my FIRST language, for over a decade because it was more convenient. I still have immediate family that tip toe quietly and use all the lights because they "forget" I'm deaf and sounds don't wake me but lights do. My sister even used sign language with her hearing infants but never with me, a deaf person who is fluent since more than 30 years as part the Deaf community.
So should I still accept and appreciate their mean words despite a literally lifetime of being the punching bag? I think not.
@@ttv_mrjack6749 My dragons are my family.
@@Mouse_Metal throwing words around like nothing 🙄
I really find it weird how in the Clone Wars we’re supposed to see her as a hero now when her reasons for going against Death Watch weren’t for moral reasons but strictly because she didn’t think an outsider should rule.
And because Maul crushed her plans to rule with Pre Vizsla.
Maul was probably lesser evil for the civilians of Mandalore and for the galaxy. Imagine if Death Watch took over and continued their plundering raids on other planets.
@@Mouse_Metal Pre didn't want to do that though but Maul did and would've if he wasn't stopped.
@@regularguy2807 Where did you get the impression Pre would not go on a plundering raid across the galaxy after establishing warrior Mandalorian society again? Death Watch was plundering villages and enslaving locals on that moon they were exiled to. They would definitely do that to more planets if they weren´t stopped (irronically, by Maul).
Maul wanted to be a crime boss, not a plunderer of societies weaker than him.
@@regularguy2807 I'm not sure Maul actually had as big of a plan as we think he did
@@Mouse_Metal But he showed frustration when Maul wanted to invade other worlds.
Great vid GenTech. A fascinating watch.
One of the most undeserving and underwhelming redemption arcs for this character person now but given what she’s done, she has to be
"KrIze" (cries) lol Ok! Oh, for KrEEZe sake!) 😂
Bo Katan ("KrEze") has always been a conflicted character full of contradictions who both follows and breaks traditions. She dismisses The Children of the Watch as superstitious cultists, yet won't take the Dark Saber because of tradition, and decided in the moment that a non-Mandalorian could not lead Mandalor (Darth Maul), YET, she fought against her sister -- the once leader of Mandalor! Home girl definitely has some deep rooted issues. As I'm writing this though, she has made good decisions (with Sabine and also to help Din Djarin and Grogu)....
As the Armorer warns, "Bo Katan is a cautionary tale", reminding us that even the strongest and most capable individuals can be held back by their own flaws and contradictions.
Honestly, I think that should be the final scene of Bo-Katan and I think it's fitting she's a pretender clinging to the truly powerful and without someone to cling to she's alone and less than nothing.
Anyone remember when Bo Katan was literally part of Death Watch and now she’s lecturing Din Luke she’s some kind of perfect figure? She literally butchered an unarmed village
She tried to overthrow her sister (who was doing good things for mandalore) then talks to Mando like he was in the group that separated the Mandalorians. She’s a hypocrite and the show is making it apparent.
I’m very curious of Paz Vizsla and his relations to Pre Vizsla, and what would happen if Bo Katan were to meet and perhaps convert Paz Vizsla?
Pretty sure she’s the only person in canon to be force choke levitated by Maul twice and live.
Plot armor.
Live for these videos
Awesome video Allen, you nailed all the big points on Bo, and why Extremism doesn't work in the long term.
Look at the symbolism of din Jarin. The character is clearly set up to become mandalore. He’s got full beskar armor that no other mandalorian has. He’s even acquired the dark saber. He looks like the ruler already. He’s like Star Wars version of Aragorn. And lemme find out his parents were royalty. 🤯🤯🤯 I think the armorer is setting him up for something great. Grogu is a sleeping giant waiting to be unleashed. Din has a force user on his side. He’s allied with other Jedi. He’s acquiring everything he needs to be unstoppable. I hope this series doesn’t disappoint.
I hope Din´s parents were not royalty. More salt to Bo-Karen´s metaphorical wounds. :D
@@Mouse_Metal even worse. she was part of that clan that decimated his village. Maybe they were there to lay waste to that bloodline and their fates are intertwined.
@@MrJustwatchin9 The death watch mandalorians saved him from the droids in his child flash backs. So i am not sure what you are talking about.
@@RasakBlood his parents were dressed in red which could signify a position of servitude or royalty. They could’ve been banished to that place or in exile hence my theory.
I been saying this. Check what she supported during TCW
It would be cool if the second syllable of Bo-Katan's name was named in relation to the katana sword since a "sword" is such a prominent fixture in the journey of her character arc. The Darksaber even looks like a katana. However, they probably did not have this much of the story in mind yet when they first named her way back when making the clone wars.
Great video, I feel I have some enlightening insight into Bo-Katan and how the events of several different stories relate.
If she felt guilt or remorse about her sister’s death and the billions of lives she put at risk outside and inside of Mandalore, I would feel some sympathy towards her and find her more compelling
But she doesn’t.
The real question is whether there is a Post Vizla, and if he's a rapper...
I think during the siege of mandalor arc when she's talking with ahsoka about how she understands her sister more now that she's seeing the effects of the war on her people.
Did not complete complete that thought haha. I am saying it was an important moment to her seeing her belief systems may be wrong.
You don’t say… I loved her scene! Bo Katan in all her bitter glory
Very satisfying scene indeed!
She calls Din a "child of the watch" but she was in the Death Watch herself.
I actually didn’t like when Sabine gave her the Darksaber. She only helped when her boyfriend was killed. She also said to Obi Wan that by doing nothing, he was dishonoring her sister. Says the lady who helped overthrow her
Sabine SUPERIOR! . Bo-katan MOST. INFERIOR.
@@straystans I actually agree. Sabine barely got to use it outside of Mandalorian stuff
This is the biggest problem with Disney, they don’t understand their characters, nor care.
Bo Katan Kryze is *not* a hero of the people, she was not a loving and compassionate sibling, aunt, daughter, or person, she *Never* truly cared about her people, and the absolute last thing she ever approached being was a leader… Bo Katan is a self centered, power hungry, openly sadistic, genocidal, psychopath. One who openly lamented the very crimes and destructive events facing her people that she herself brought upon with a smile on her face. One who denies any responsibility of the current situation Mandolore’s when she was bitch that got them in the situation in the first place. But above all else, especially if you remove all the good she has done, Bo is unworthy. Unworthy of leadership, unworthy of her family name, unworthy of mandolore, and unworthy of her position in the canon setting. Pre canceled clone wars showed me the truth about the Mandolorians as a race and I have had no interest or sympathy for them since. The Truth the maul exploited to take over in the first place. The Truth that is making the creator of the Darksaber roll in his grave whenever we see his creation. And Bo Katan is a poster child of that truth. A truth that Satine did everything to try and finally end, that Reven saw upon one look on Mandolore the Ultimate, and that Bo herself has not nor ever will accept about herself or her people.
And the worse part is Disney cannot nor will not accept that truth about her, nor about mandolore. Because they and their agenda cannot come to terms with the harsh reality of that truth.
And that truth, is that Bo Katan Kryze and the Mandolorians are *evil.* Evil in its most pure form. The kind that relishes in the suffering of others, that refuses accountability for anything they do, that will and must blame anyone and everyone else for their own crimes and why they commit them. The kind that will see every one else as the villain abut never themselves. More than simple evil, they are unworthy evil honor-less scum.
That’s it, that’s all you have to say on this topic. Except for this…
Fuck Deathwatch…
Fuck Bo Katan…
And most importantly… Fuck Mandolore!
The Darth Vader “father” meaning has been disproved a million times. The character was named before that twist was ever written. It’s just a coincidence
And this is why Death Watch never had any friends.
Let's not forget her hypocrisy in blaming Din and "his people," for splitting their Mandalorian people, when she split Mandalore as well, 3 Times.
1. When Joining Death Watch
2. When failing to see the Dangers of the Empire
3. Losing the Throne Twice. Once after the Clone Wars and Once after the Rebels Series.
And Din was a kid back than.
That Karen has no self-reflection and is dumber than a rock.
@@Mouse_Metal Facts
@@Al_the_Phantom Uhhh didn't she fight the empire "Clan Wren, who were seeking a Mandalorian worthy of wielding the Darksaber and claiming the title of Mand'alor. With the Wrens' approval, Kryze took the weapon and rallied the support of several Mandalorian clans, uniting them to fight against the Empire. " from her wookepedia...
@@Stryyder1 Yes she did, but the fact that she took the Dark Saber and lost it again after the Mandalorian Purge. Proves that she was unworthy to wield the Dark Saber.
Plus, Clan Wren supported Kryze even before that when she was fighting Maul.
I don't think Clan Wren's classification on decision is worth discussing because if I'm not mistaken, it was after Sabine deserted the Imperial Academy on Mandalore, that her brother Tristan was forced to join Gar Saxon's Super Commandos in order to keep their clan's dignity.
And let's not forget it was Sabine Wren who as a young and idealistic Imperial cadet built an Arc Pulse Generator that she nicknamed the "Duchess," which reacted with the beskar alloy inside the Mandalorian armor, incinerating the armor and disintegrating their wearers, giving the Empire the tools necessary to start the Purge of Mandalore. As they saw that with the Mandalorian training and Armor, they would be a Threat to the Emperor. Much like the Jedi were to the Emperor prior to Order 66.
@@Al_the_Phantom Seemed pretty worthy dicing up that crab mech/droid.
I’m not surprised that Bo Katan lost support lady lost mandelore twice
Good effort for getting through the whole video without triggering the algorithm for using the word 'terrorist'! Well done!
Is it triggering the algorithm? It can be written in the comments without triggering anything.
Who would be the perfect leader of the mandalorians? I think its din djarin. What are your thoughts?
Honestly Bo- Katan in the Mandalorian series feels like someone who figured out that she wasn't what her people needed despite how much it hurt's her inside.
The question for Bo is, just how does she move past that?
@carlycrays2831 apparently all that was needed was a swim in a mythical creatures toilet water
@@jeremyallen5974 well for a Mandalorian is a pretty strong mystical experience being face to face to such creature, it's basically the equivalent of Merlin returning and saying that you are the one that will become King; it was strong enough to make question Bo (the mandalorian equivalent of an atheist) her entire outlook regarding the universe
She doesn’t, she still acts the same.
Okay. It got worse. First he only misspronounced her name. And now he misspells it too
I think you got the meaning of her name wrong. Bo is a fighting stick and katan is a misspelled katana, a sword. Her name is made of two terms for weapons.
Her sister Satine, a pacifist, is called after a soft material.
Their names are nomen-omen.
I assumed that her name came from weapons, would is rather fitting for a Mandalorian.
Bo from Bo-staff, Katan from Katana.