I think this episode actually demonstrated the possible economic way for the new Mandalorian society. Peacekeepers of the Outer Rim. Planets paying them not just in credits but in raw resources and industrial strength. How many planets like Nevarro are there out there who would gladly take protection from Mandalorians? Especially Mandalorians who live their lives by hardcore creed and would never break a deal with you and start extorting you? Even the New Republic would probably gladly give them leftover ships and resources to help deal with chaos of the Outer Rim. The Children of The Watch can be the perfect ambassadors
Bo and Din will share power with Grogu being the heir and the Mandalorian people will replace the Jedi as the protectors of the galaxy… I think that would be cool. That’s my theory/wishful thinking.
That sounds good in theory, but there are a few problems with it. 1-If they were to police the outer rim they would be better off living on everyone else's planet instead of wanting to take their own back., 2-To maintain their own planet they still would need some other kinds of workers. Even if they import all of the materials from off planet, they still need people who can do things with those things. Someone has to be the cooks, the builders, the business people, the designers, etc. 3-If the Star Wars galaxy is circular rotating around the core worlds as I have always seen it depicted, then the outer rim would be extremely spread out and that would make it very difficult to patrol. Being situated on the one planet would exacerbate this issue as well. 4-The First Order is coming. If the Mandalorians become everyones' guardians they will have to get mowed down trying to protect everyone from the First Order. 5-If they become these noble protectors, why doesn't the resistance at least work with them to defend everyone?
The fact the armourer had Bo Katan take off her helmet and said shes been apart of both worlds i think means that the children of the watch will be accepting to other houses, clans and factions of mandolorians
I disliked that. Because I get it. It's her saying we accept you even if you don't follow the way. However if she thought the way was the best way to do things then she'd have explained that want to follow her but would like her to follow the way. Then accept her decision on if she wants to follow the way.
When discussing Mandalorians as a warrior culture, it is useful to look at their inspiration in the real world. Traviss based the culture of the Mandalorians on ancient Germanic and Celtic tribes, basically they're space vikings, and in these cultures even if it was expected that every single man was a warrior, that didn't preclude them from also being other things, such as teachers, scientists, economists, shipwrights etc. they just ALSO have to be warriors. It's not a profession like a soldier, it's more a way of life. The armorer is a good example of this. She is primarily a blacksmith, that is her profession, but like a good Mandalorian she is also quite the capable warrior. You don't have to pick between practicing a useful profession that actively contributes to your society and being well versed in the art of war, you can do both.
I do wonder whether the Mandalorians under Dave Feloni and John Favreau may become something akin to the wardens of the outer-rim / unknown regions. Since those regions are too far out from the core worlds and the Republic, in both distance, influence and priorities, it may become the perfect playing fields for Mandalorian stories. Vast regions of space to explore, conquer and patrol is something I find suiting for the Mandelorian creed and still allows for a range of subfactions. It might be a good solution to keep the Mandalorians as a faction, decently varied yet still impactfull and different from the Republic or imperial remnants. Regardless, I am looking forward to what they make out of this series for now.
They would need a lot of Mandalorians to guard the whole Outer Rim. Nevarro is close to the Mandalorian sector, so defending it in the future is simple enough. The rest, not so much.
@@Senovitj ow absolutely. But I am less meaning actual full control or conquest of those regions. Something like this would require the Mandalorians rising back up to their Crusader days. Rather that they will become a new powerhouse faction for those outer regions far away from the republic. Sure, some systems will be directly controlled by them, but the rest of those regions rather calling out for their aid in the future rather then the republic.
The Armorer asked Bo-Katan to remove her helmet specifically to underscore to the other Children of the Watch that not all Mandalorians would follow their specific creed.
I think the latest episode solves the problems of Mandalorian warrior culture; become protectors, guardians, so they still get their fight kicks, while being productive members of society. The Outer Rim is still pretty lawless so they provide a service to more peaceful people and get stability so they can grow as a culture. As long as they don't decide to get greedy for power, they have a chance to reclaim a sense of true civilization. As long as wise leaders remember the mistakes of the past even a bit, Mandalorians may rise again.
The latest episode shows the Madalorians have no shortage of people to fight. The Empire remnants still float around the mid-outer rim, the unknown regions are where Palpatine is cloning himself and building the First order, the pirates know the new republic is even less efficient than the empire was so they're scooping up resources. This a prime opportunity for the Mandalorian people to become a new superpower in this part of the galaxy. Heck, Thrawn could be completely separate from the First order and building his _own_ Empire somewhere.
"I mean, if I went around saying I was an emperor just because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me, they’d put me away!" I wish they hadn't cut this line out of Din's conversation with Bo Katan.
I was sad to see the Mandalorians didn't take the pirate ship. It made no sense for the Mandalorians not to board it after Din pulled the fighters away. Once the ship was captured the ground forces would of either surrendered or fled quickly. My guess is somthing else is coming to wreck the day and that ship would of given them too much of an edge, especially once the Mandalorians upgraded it.
I'm not sure of the timeline of everything, but I heard that this pirate is supposed to be a big deal during Skeleton Crew, so he might be plot armored for now.
@@matthewpelletier6900 I would think he and his possible plot armor would have had an easier story of survival if he were captured rather than smashing into that mountain with his ship.
They can , IF they can avoid the one great weakness of their past culture. Pointless aggression. Being great warriors without a goal just leads to then turning on each other. I suspect the Mando's are going to become, what Rangers of the republic would have been if it hadn't been derailed by KK.
Wasn't Rangers derailed because of Gina? I mean. I have never seen someone throw away guaranteed employment like she did lmao. And she was supposed to star in that show wasn't she?
@@Iluvlollipops that is correct. It was cancelled probably because of Gina doing what she did, and Lucasfilms reluctance to recast her as she would’ve been I assume the main character
@Brandon The toy and Game collector A show following Mayfield as he finds old spec ops imperials and they go on a rampage so they can all sleep better at night.
@@Iluvlollipops Not going to rehash the whole story , what she was propertied to have said was grossly exaggerated and was used by KK to dump Gina and Derail Favro and Felonies' works. .
Exactly! I think the Armorer has a big picture in mind that she hasn’t revealed yet. She literally said, “Do you respect my station?” In other words, she’s not handing the leadership role to Bo. She’s giving her an assignment, albeit a very important one. Overall, she is starting to understand that Mandalorians need organization, roles, etc., while having unity and acceptance.
Yes....But.... As someone below said Mandalorians could be setting themselves up to be the peacekeepers/law enforcement of the outer rim. As with the Templars during the Crusades outer rim planets would pay them for their services, or agricultural planets would give them a percentage of the harvest in a kinda feudal-esque system. And secondly I am former military, 9 years. We were cross-trained in many MOS (Military-Occupational-Specialties). Of course everyone was trained to be front-line combat ready rifleman should the time come, but we were also trained as Medical, Logistics, Cooks, Transportation, Engineering, Computers/Technology, Mechanics, etc. I think as we saw at the end of "The Pirate" The Armorer recognizes not every Mandalorian Clan or Tribe are not as hard core as The Watch, and she realizes has to be practical now if their people are to survive. Thats why she did what she did with Bo-Katan. "Take off your helmet, do you trust me? Do you recognize my authority? Bo-Katan walks in BOTH worlds." Plus confessing that she saw the mythosaur also helps her status. Alot of people have not liked this season, but I believe this season, like Season 1 of Babylon 5, or Season 1-(half)2 of DS9 is being used as a setup to put storylines and characters into place for some really BIG stuff to go down later on.
I think this works out for the best Nevarro looks like an economic center but they don't have any soldiers/warriors to protect them they can deal with the civic side of things while the Mandalorians handle the military protection part of it. The added benefit is that living on in the open on Nevarro gives them the opportunity to recruit more people.
I hope that is the case. Got a bad feeling we took a turn toward the re-run of Bo Katan gets to claim her entitled birthright because she feels owed it.
Something I'd say you forgot is that they don't really have a military to begin with, they are more militia based than having a professional army to support. I do agree their ideals and culture doesn't lend itself to being a proper nation but more of a tribal or small town at best. Anything more than that and you will run into issues
But the Children of the Watch are working to overcome one of the big weaknesses keeping then from forming a proper army, the obsession over families and clans. Though a lot more organizing and esprit de corps needs to be established.
I think they're heading towards setting up a federation of independent worlds, the failings of the Mandalorians are compensated for if they're just the military wing of a greater whole.
Mandalorians provide protection. Mandalorians have no problem living with non-Mandos and have no problem with having separate ruling classes. If you are an engineer, doctor or an unskilled laborer one of the safest outter rim places to live is on Mandalore. Help rebuild a Mandalorian Dome City and you live under the protection of the Mandalorians with a separate civil government for the non-Mandos.
It seems to me that the Mandalorian is following a similar storyline to the Mandalorians from KOTOR, where they're all divided until Mandalore the Preserver comes in and begins uniting the fallen Mandalorian clans, then later on making the Mandalorians into a real galactic power.
I still think It's going to be Din to be Mandalore. Or I hope so. Bo's already tried to lead twice. And it's gone badly. Every. Time. I think it would be a waaaay better development for her to realize that she shouldn't try to lead. But to help the one who should lead. Like, she can train him how to use the dark saber. Maybe even help Grogu train since she knows more about the jedi than anyone else in the Mando covert. It would tie in her arc nicely.
Yes this was my thought too. Sometimes the greatest leader is the one that is called reluctantly because that person will not be power hungry and will be neutral between factions.
I feel like there is a decent chance we see a different type of governance. As opposed to one leader, perhaps you end up with two, one to lead the people, and one to protect them. Bo Katan has the experience and drive to unite her people, and Din is a fighter that fiercely protects what he believes in. Both have good leadership qualities but are missing the other half.
When Bo Katan told Din of her father's warrior death his response was a very emotional "This is the way." Perhaps everyone in a unified Mandalorian society dying in battle together is one of their versions of success.
I think the mandalorians could really benefit from a sort of cast system where those uninterested in following the intense code of the children could operate as the civilian portion of the population and anyone can bathe in the waters to rejoin the military. Then their large military could be hired security for other planets and settlements while maintaining a civilian population and solving the issue of less diehard mandalorians. Having a highly radical military can be dangerous but it's pretty standard since discipline and respect are core to success in combat. Also the core of the children's dogma encourages a protector/tradition mindset which could be leveraged into creating a stable non-oppressive military culture.
I feel like this show could be also setting up mandalorian lead/rule for post sequel movies after the lead of the New Republic was destroyed. Being both peacekeepers and warriors through the galaxy.
"The Mask of Mandalore was passed down through the ages to those Mandalorians who proved themselves worthy of the title of Mand'alor, leader of the Mandalorian clans. During the concluding battle of the Mandalorian Wars, the Jedi Knight Revan and Mandalore the Ultimate faced each other in single combat. Revan was the victor of the duel, and learned from Mandalore that the invasion had been orchestrated by a mysterious agent of the Sith. After slaying his opponent, Revan and Malak traveled to the planet Rekkiad, where Mandalore and the Sith had discovered the tomb of an ancient Sith Lord. There, the two Jedi found a datacron that would lead them to the planet Nathema, but Revan left the mask in the Sith's sarcophagus.[4] By hiding the mask on Rekkiad, Revan condemned the clans to wander without a leader."
There is a solution to Mandalorian culture: give them power. There is a prescient historical comparison to be made with Spartans to be sure, but they also remind me of nomad horselords of the stepps. They are raised in warfare, are highly mobile on the battlefield, and are too light to stand up to heavy industrial weaponry. They are now a nomadic people on the run, their smaller numbers than the rest of the Galaxy has not stopped their ambitions of conquest in the past. When you study the nomadic conquering cultures throughout history, they had often no trouble taking over Persia, China, Northern India, great powerful empires. Despite their demographic disadvantage and sometimes even their lagging technology, their appetance for warfare and the weakness of their enemy made them conquerors. They tooks states, created dynasties... and then they just assimilated. They became decadent, sometimes weak, forgetting the very warfare they were designed to do. The Mandalorians in their current state cannot support an empire, they lack ressources, demography, industry, leadership. However they could prop up one, be the tip of the spear of a galaxy wide government. Imagine if you will that some Republic or Empire successor state finally has enough of the Siths ans Jedis burning half the Galaxy everytime their religious war enters a new chapter. This state could hire the only non-force sensitive but still dangerous infantry there is: the Mandos. Once they become the military elite, they can gather power and very much like the Mameluks in Egypt, the foreign born elite units just end up overthrowing the bosses and ruling. For the first few generations they can keep the traditions, but with power and comfort comes complacency. If you get all Mandalorians to go decadent maybe you can finally eradicate that dangerous part of their culture. Also I think some combination of arms wouldn't do Mandalorians any harm. Their ancestors had entire functionning militaries but the modern Mandos we see are basically just flying special forces. They are fearsome in a short term, small objectives battle, but in any large scale engagements they can't hope to compete. I remember we see some speeders and starfighters in Clone Wars but that is about it. They have no heavy weaponry or force projection or artillery support. No wonder they got pawned by bombers, they think all warfare is fought in close quarter combat. The Mandalorians as the warrior elite of a conventionnal army is a concept that the Clone army has somewhat touched with the commandos and we know how efficient that balance could be.
I would LOVE the new Mandalorian society in the unknown regions! And I fully agree that the unknown regions is a fantastic setting for Disney to tell new stories that both old and new audiences to their franchise.
I'd love a post sequel Galaxy full of independent systems with no empires or republics like tattoine and Navarro. It's even work thematically with the independent fleet at end of RoS
Honestly if they were to start a new set of story's say about 1000 ABY where the galaxy is formed by a number of different systems or regional governments it would fit better and allow a more dynamic storytelling element and allow for more Wars for the titular Star Wars. I think I even different Force traditions besides the Jedi could even be more interesting. The fact is Corsuscant as it is in the Skywalker Era is bloated and corrupt and needs to be decimated and be brought back into balance on one way or another. Im sure other core systems have similar issues.
Ya know if the Mandolorian as a show is going towards the birth of a new Mandalore peoples as well as having Thrawn potentially appear as a villain then I have to wonder what observations about the children of the watch Thrawn will use to fight them. There are the obvious ones such as the protection of foundlings and helmet removal resulting in exile but surely there will be more to exploit. Otherwise it would just be Thrawn flying about with a giant beskar-attracting magnet to de-helm everyone and being done with it.
If you want to be non-joking he'd examine their artworks and identify psychological weaknesses in their culture, most likely around their dogma of following martial strength, and use that to lure them into a trap and defeat them. If you think about it, that shouldn't be too hard. Their leaders have a cultural need to do the alpha thing which makes them really easy to deceive.
7:23 the other major drawback of Mandalorian warrior culture is that they focus on having a few super commandos rather than building an army of varied troops and specialists.
I actually really like the idea of bo-katan not getting a second chance persee, but the fact that she's been on pretty much all sides does make her the perfect candidate to bring Mandalore together, but does that bring her the Mandalore throne, im not sure
The look way Paz Visla looked at Din right after The Armorer said Bo Katan would lead them tells me that is not a popular choice. Could be interesting to see that dynamic
I honestly like Bo as a character more than any of the characters introduced in the clone wars cartoon and was glad she showed up in the Mandalorian with the same actress, but if they go the route of making her Mandalore, I'm gonna be very disappointed. That would be rewarding repeated personal failure to coddle the entitlement she has long carried since her upbringing as part of an aristocratic elite house. Din Djarin is set up to be the Mandalore reborn. He better represents the values of the original Mandalore. This is the way.
I kind of wish that the screen writers had put in some Mandoa into the script, even something as simple as Mandalorian curses & insults and/or having the Armorer ask Bo Katan to remove her boyece instead of saying helmet
By the end of the felonivers My prediction is the mandos and Jedi will fight together as a galactic peacekeeping force, maybe after defeating thrawn but I would like if they introduced a bigger threat like the rakatans
Greef karga can show the mandalorians how to build a better community without needless bloodshed, as well as bo-katan. And carson teva's conversation with the mandalorian was interesting and seeing him with zeb makes sense, carson is exactly the kind of person zeb would be friends with.
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something that would be cool is if they took a sorta Quarian route by training everyone as mandalorian warriors, then sending them out into the galaxy on an expedition to gain honor, then return to mandalore with a new found technology or weapon or historical artifact, etc.
What if Bo's mandalorian friends that left her also betrayed her. How would the emperial remnants find her? Why was there beskar at the shuttle transporting Gideon?
I think the smart thing would be for the Mandalorians to unite and settle on Navaro. Navaro could certainlym use the protection and their civilian infrastructure could easily support the small amount of Mandalorians that are left. Just give them a few ships and the Mandalorians could act as the full military protectors of the system and trade lanes.
Gordon R. Dixon's Dorsai series could be a good model for sustaining themselves. The Dorsai were militaristic and their sole economic resource were the best soldiers and leaders in the galaxy. And being so fighting as mercenaries was a basis of their culture. The right to claim foundlings could even be part of the their contracts. Maybe even some type of bardering for goods. Fits the Mandalorians quite well I think.
I think the Armour asking Bo to remove her helmet was because The Armour trusts Bo understands and she has seen The Way and the ultimate path to redemption for the Mandalorian clans. The Children of the Watch have been so hard in their ways that they pushed away the other clans to the point that the other clans feel their is no more compromising and it's thier way or no way. They are both Mandalore, but up to this point not in the eyes of The Children of the Watch, since the other clans have chosen to strayed from The Way. Bo and Din have both walked the path of redemption, but who better to show that path to other clans than the one who in eyes of many is responsible for the demise of Mandalore. I still think the Armour believes following The Way is the only way, but up until this point, apart from taking in new foundlings, they lacked the ability of getting others to acknowledge The Way. Those who strayed were exiled stressing protecting the up bringing of foundlings even more. Redemption is now possible and it is important to spread word of it. Bo was chosen for this task. She can relate to position of other clan members but she can also show others The Way. She has walked both sides. Beyond that I'm not sure where her devolpment will go, but I think she will always retain that political leadership role either as an adviser or new political head. Din is set for another purpose with Gorgue and Dark Saber still in hand, which the story still needs to flesh out more in order to extrapolate more from it. But I'd imagine Din is leading a path to a new Maldore, whether Din knows it or not. Hence Din using his past friendships/debts stilled owed to aquire and setup a new a society for his people when they all choose to intervine in the priate raid rather than hide. That path wouldn't have been their without Din previous mando interactions. Din doesnt need to lead from a political or military standpoint and be the next Mandolore the Ultimate leading all of Mandalore society. He just needs to continue being the cool Mando leading by example and his actions of what he thinks holds true to The Way, which has concided with helping Gorgue, his people, and to those risking thier lives or expense to help him. Just being the stubborn badass mandalorian that we Star War fans love. Those he interacts with acknowledge his strength and combat skills, but they also acknowledge his commitment to The Creed whether they do so in jest or not. I think Bo's gawking at the cave waters was meant to be taken as her being awe of Din's commitment to the Creed up until this point quite literally risking everything showing just how much redemption in the Mandalore Way meant to him. She was in the presence of what it truly meant to be Mandalorian in it purest form and what it will take to make Mandalore whole again, hence seeing a Mythosaur.
As I have said elsewhere - one of the many things that cause me to ever-increasingly appreciate Andor / Rogue One is the complexity of the worlds that they build. They attempt to answer the "What is that in the background of the Space Opera that we call Star Wars?" Ferrix has an economy, governing bodies have bureaucracies, spies have day jobs, people guess wrong, make mistakes. No one, other than nerds like Alan or me, wonders about the economic structure of Mandalorian culture. Consider the historical example of the last earthly militaristic nation-state: Sparta. Their men were all warriors, all the time. Their economy, therefore, needed the helots, the slaves that did all the things needed to keep an economy moving. The movie "300" doesn't dwell on that inconvenient fact, even as it makes the Spartans seem like genuine liberty-for-all types. As always, great thoughts found on this channel. BZ!
But wasn't the armorer telling Bo Katan to remove her helmet and that she walks 2 worlds shows that she has learned to be more tolerant if what remains of the Mandalorian people are to reunite as one again.
Well, war is their trading. However I think the key is getting the best of both worlds. Satine had a way peaceful society and the death watch was trying to undermine it. So I think the solution will be a society where both ways will be the way.
Anyone else ever see that meme where Willie from The Simsons is talking about how the sith have ruined mandalore, how jedi have ruined mandalore, how the republic has ruined mandalore, how the empire has ruined mandalore, and how mandalorians have ruined mandalore?
After rewatching all the episodes before this latest one dropped, I actually thought the pirate storyline would be bigger. I do like how the Imperial Remnant may be setting up a conflict between the New Republic and the Mandolorian people.
i think in this episode there are 2 points to consider. the first is that yes its a little surprising given her history involving taking power leading the mandalorians that she is now she is in a position to seek out other mandalorians and bringing them together but i think she learned enough from her past about how to go about doing that and witnesed the kinds of progress from her sister satine. the second is the children watch band what it represents for them now that they saved nevarro and have a place to rebuild. plus you gotta think from how the group seems to function and react with all these recent events. i believe the childeren of the watch has the potentail at this point to adapt to the situation and posibly transform into a group verry similar to the group of madalorians called the "true mandalorians" which convieniently was the same group jango fett was apart of and was named manda'lor for a time. but watch out for the armorer. she told bo'katan to take her helmet off, thats like comandment #1. i think with her, theres gonna be some game of thonse $#!+ about to happen
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Not all Mandalorians were active military personnel, but all of them could be, were trained to be, and were expected to maintain those skills. So that, they would be able to answer the call of the Manda'lor. Also, most of this was cultural. Rather than a standing military, It was much more akin to a father passing his own personal collection of guns on to his children who he had trained to use them and use them safely. Obviously, Mandalorians would have a standing military, and that would be paid for by their government. But all Mandalorians would still be able to be "Mandalorian warriors" and still also be able to be anything else that their society needs: farmers, engineers, tech specialists, scientists, etc... So, honestly I think your argument here is at least a bit misguided.
It was much more akin to a father passing his own personal collection of guns on to his children who he had trained to use them and use them safely. Not really their culture was war and it had to do partly with practicality for a variety of reasons. 1# Passing down armor sets meant that they didn't need to make as many new armor sets for each generation as beskar was rare and only certain people with special knowledge and training could mold the metal. Which meant that making armor sets, weapons, etc was a slow process. In fact in legends the practice was partly adopted because beskar was so rare and only certain people knew how to forge it. 2# There were times in history when the clans were scattered like they are know in the mandalorian and they didn't have access to beskar ore or the forges/tools necessary to forge new sets of armor in some cases they may have not even have had a forge master. So it was more practical to pass down the armor to the next generation when the wearer got to old or when they died. And every single person that a suit was passed down to was fully expected to not only train with it but wear and fight in it. As this was the practice amongst the warriors of the clans.
@@phoenixx913 You're just saying what i said, but with a lot more words. My saying this: "It was much more akin to a father passing his own personal collection of guns on to his children who he had trained to use them and use them safely." Was only to illustrate my point, that it was cultural, by likening it to something potentially culturally relatable. Note that I started by saying this: "Not all Mandalorians were active military personnel, but all of them could be, were trained to be, and were expected to maintain those skills. So that, they would be able to answer the call of the Manda'lor." Also, the passing of Mandalorian armor is almost directly relatable to this "It was much more akin to a father passing his own personal collection of guns on to his children who he had trained to use them and use them safely." "Passing down armor sets meant that they didn't need to make as many new armor sets for each generation as beskar was rare and only certain people with special knowledge and training could mold the metal. Which meant that making armor sets, weapons, etc was a slow process. In fact in legends the practice was partly adopted because beskar was so rare and only certain people knew how to forge it." It was very much not always done by necessity, in fact, I'd say that would be the weakest argument, because legacy has and always will have sway. If anything the scarcity of Beskar, is only a contributing factor for the prevalence of the custom, in other words, how it came to be in the first place. Bo-Katan herself wears inherited armor, in fact the armor had been in her family for three generations, according to her. Boba Fett wanted his father's armor, because it was his father's armor, and he proved that it was his by right of inheritance. You think he couldn't have killed another Mandalorian and taken their armor, bought some on the black market? The Beskar from Bo-katan's armor very much could have been repurposed to forge a new set. Not just by her either, why? I think you know my guess. That came from within her family, specifically, not her house, which comprises multiple clans fyi. Example, The Wren clan is/was part of the, Vizla house. I would imagine that every house would have access to at least one armorer, if not every clan. Yes, Beskar is precious, most Mandalorians, in fact, don't have a full set. Adding even more cultural value of a full set of Mandalorian armor, which would be a physical manifestation of the legacy of your ancestors. A true representation of achievement over lifetimes.
I can see them pulling something like the old Swiss Confederacy. Were there primary export are mercenaries and they remain the most decisively neutral faction in the galaxy. Historically speaking, Switzerland had a very good mercenary culture where individual contents or principalities would essentially raise mercenary companies for any monarch in question willing to pay.
"They will die a death that will last millennia, until all that remains is their code, their history, and in the end, the shell of their armor upon the shell of a man, too easily slain by Jedi." ~ Kreia
What if when the Mandalorians venture off into the unknown regions, they find another planet with Beskar? This could be another Lassat species situation, except instead of people still living on this older planet, it was completely evacuated because of a rival power in the region. I like your theory that they go out to the unknown regions
As for The New Mandalorians under Lady Satine, all those buildings weren't just built overnight. They must have had infrastructure and people doing non-warrior jobs for possibly several generations. Was she not inheritor of the rulership from her father when he died as a Mandalorian does? Bo-katan is possibly inheritor, the next in line since Satine didn't seem to produce any offspring. She also has ruled briefly with the Darksaber. She's a well known person among Mandalorians, regardless of her failures. Those who get it, know that one typically learns the best from failure. The perspective that all of the Mandalorians were all warriors, may coexist with the fact that they have to do everyday mundane things as well. One can certainly do both in the same day. I have no clue about the current canon's novels or comics, I don't follow that stuff. So whatever is currently canon in those media regarding The Way and Mandalorian Traditional Culture may exist as it does, *if* it does. Otherwise, those things are pretty vague at the moment and are being written to fill in lore gaps and inconsistencies, and to alter anything from legends novels and comics to fit the current star wars narrative. Once these things are fully explored and clearly codified, we'll see what it really means to be a True Mandalorian, in this canon. Until then, its just a lot of speculation on what their goals and ideals are, and will be.
Like so many of the comments have already stated. Their in a good start-up position to have both economic and societal growth without sacrificing their militaristic nature as if this latest episode. The Armorer has been leading them at a slow but very calculated pace and now is starting to ramp it up because of their increasingly ideal positioning. Even though Mandalore is still the end target to re-ignite their society where it started, there's no reason why devote off planet Mandalorians cannot call other planets home economically and for potential of their survival in the event of a history repeat. The Children of the Watch survived largely in part to them living on a moon of Mandalore and not being actually on it. And as for the New Mandalorians that pushed war aside and in the end were little prepared militaristiclly, like some counties on Earth , have every citizen take required military training and service so that there's a potential for better survival and military action.
6:22 or they could take the classical big bran move from warrior cultures and hire themselves out to their richer neighbors to raid, I mean defend their employers from *their* rich neighbors... That usually works out pretty well for two of the three parties involved
You might be surprised by how diverse is the mandalorian society due to all the phases they have been through ... It might be even possible they rebuild their society faster than anyone believe
After “The Pirate” it seems to me there’s a very clear way for the Mandalorians to reestablish themselves and thrive without having to leave the galaxy. The New Republic is clearly unwilling and unable to bring law and stability to the galaxy at large, and Nevarro was an ideal blueprint for a resurgent Mandalore, acting as a peacekeeping force for planets outside the NR in exchange for the goods that Mandalore initially couldn’t produce on its own. So long as they don’t let it degenerate into a protection racket, there’s a lot of goodwill to be had while still playing to their strengths. And it’s an ideal path for Din and Bo Katan
The Mandalorians can become a economy like Japan. There planet has high value metal bestakar that can forged into high value products that can be used to provide fund knowledge based training for the younger generations in becoming scientist, doctors... As warriors, there services would be in high demand for jobs and training in self-defense planetary forces.
*Woof* Yoda was all those things and brought the Jedi to verge of extinction so bad example. The Mandolorian don't need more force sensitivity they have done more harm than good to them. So I will be cool if he just like the armorer is the source of wisdom/respect but not interested in power. It was that last bit that fuck up the Jedi. They should have kept their independence instead of becoming the Republic's pet armed religious zealots.
@@Notmyday2009 Yoda, much like the rest of the Jedi council, forgot their roots and became complacent during the centuries of peace they had, and the extreme rise in the Dark Side of the Force blinded them to the oncoming threat that was The Empire. Can’t blame Yoda for something he literally couldn’t see coming, even with his skill in the Force.
@@decimation9780 Yeah it was definitely a deer-in-headlights kind of thing for the Jedi. Yes, they thought they were doing right by serving the Republic. Its been said before, that if they truly worked to understand what the balance in The Force actually meant, then they wouldn't have been so ill prepared to deal with such an abrupt shift towards the dark. The Jedi's fear ultimately led to suffering.
@Sword Fish The final step for Mandolorian to become Lanky Space dwarves in Star Wars. The sacred forge/mine/precious metal/warrior/diaspora force to leave their home after there leader fuck up and bring desolation unable to deal with outside power. etc (I am 100% for this)
I think what the biggest factor would be that will bring Mandalorians back to together into a more complete and eclectic society will be connecting to and riding the mythosaur. I can only think of one Mandalorian who is capable of accomplishing that and it’s not Bo Katan, Din Jarin, or The Armorer. It’s Grogu. I don’t think Grogu would be in a position of just flat out rule. Like most boy kings he would have adult governing advisors, and I think that may be an interesting storyline. It would also be interesting to see those of Yoda’s species in such ruling or governing positions. There would of course be Grand Master of the Jedi Order Yoda and then The Mandalore Grogu. And due to Grogu’s natural lifespan that may bring in an interesting era for the Mandalorians,
I'd say that the ideal for Mandalore would be a reclamation of their homeworld, but also a Covert/Monastery system (think Buddist Warrior Monks, not Christian pacifists). Whilst they can rebuild their home slowly, being that independent faction that is very capable but not demanding political allegiance. Instead they effectively contract out their strength for land grants on other worlds for them to run/live on, set up businesses that interact locally but are using their profits to rebuild Mandalore. It would work long term as without a political organisation to unify the outer rim they'd still need protectors, and it would allow the more militaristic Mandalorians to contribute and be part of the society without disrupting those Mandalorians focused on the rebuilding effort. Plus, if they're known for taking Beskar as *payment* then suddenly all these locations can effectively out-source the process of Beskar retrieval to the outer rim and their partners. Making Beskar almost a second currency for interacting with the Mandalorians.
What if the Mandalorians stay on Nevarro? You said yourself that they can’t thrive as a warrior society alone. Mandalorians: has military, needs infrastructure Nevarro: has infrastructure, needs military It’s actually a pretty fitting match.
I think the problem isn't their militaristic attitude, it's the targets they pick. Someone else suggested they could take on the pirates. That seems like a win-win situation, they win because they get to fight and civilization wins because pirates get kicked out. Of course, there's still the problem that eventually they will get big enough that pirates aren't a good enough fight anymore, but that's a long way off.
I think what a lot of us are missing here is that there may be a faction of Mandalorians who follow Moff Gideon. Simply because he held the dark saber. Who do we think "rescued" him from his transport, and is why he didn't make it to trial.
Or the remnant hired the ship full of mandalorians that abandoned bo-katan. Or the remnant just merely placed the beskar there to turn the new republic agaisnt the mandalorians.
You really thing think they would make the same mistakes after all the civil wars & the lose of their planet. That they would make the same mistakes? The Armorer just did the most unusual thing, that appears to be against the Watch’s Creed? Sending Bo out to find the rest of the scattered Mandalorians throughout the galaxy. She will likely find the Night Owls first, what happens next we’ll see. favreau is writing the 4th season now. Espicially in the case of Bo-Katan, she won’t make the mistakes again. She refused the Dark Saber a second time, she found a new home with the ultra-orthodox, she’s seen her pacifist sister, she’s seen regular mandalorian clans, she led the Night Owls. She is truly as the armorer said, the one who walks both paths. With her affinity to Din Djarin, since the highjacking of the freighter, she knows she can rely on him. With or without the Dark Saber, she can still rule & her relationship with Din gives her the power to unite by proxy.
Only if they fail to learn from the mistakes of the past and ironically they have all they need to avoid them by looking at the two main sects, The New Mandalorians and Death Watch. Death Watch were highly competent fighters, skilled in combat, intelligence gathering espionage and sabotage. But they were small, unstable, cruel and had no long term plan to keep Mandalor afloat New Mandalorians were progressive, they helped maintain a strong economy, a thriving population, good relations with other planets and systems, rising to become a pretty strong power, but lacked a strong military to defend themselves. Main thing to take away. Have a strong military presence and be capable of defending yourself but also keep a sturdy economy that isn't solely dependent on war and fighting.
I know legends fans may not like this but I kinda want a modern day Mandalorian Wars again Against the New Republic post Sequel's Era. With Imperial and First/Final Order reminates causing both sides to become more extreme. The Jedi in this situation would have to figure out who's most right and tbh if any Sith still lives at this time use this as a way to start growing a new Sith empire maybe idk I really want post sequels to be like the O.R. as tbh the way I see it we need something like that to unite the fandom give everyone a taste of what they like and dont like while also having goofy kid stuff to keep it proper.
I think Bo won’t lead long term I think there will be leadership development of din in the form of Bo getting made a martyr. The conflict with moff Gideon and thrawn will start to accelerate and accumulate. Almost certain the tie interceptors and bombers were sent by him and thrawn Thrawn has always known the value of knowledge and technology. I’m sure he knows of beskar and it’s many uses. I’ll bet that it was thrawns boys who rescued moff Gideon We’ll see a large emphasis being placed on this nearing the end of the season imo
I think it's clear that they need to be in the "Security" business. The Outer Rim is in dire need of a highly armed, highly trained, security force with an embedded morality.
I can see Din pulling both. One part that's the peaceful mandolorians ways and the other being for those who want to be warriors must fallow the Code of the Super Commando.
Also expanding into the unknown regions would also fit with the more space western themes of the show. Westerns are a romantization of "manifest destiny" and invading settlers taking over what to them is perceived to be unclaimed land. When it's possible there are thousands of habitable worlds with no native sentient species there are significant possibilities for expansion, and Mandalorians striving against local megafauna would meet their cultural needs for a few generations.
I think this episode actually demonstrated the possible economic way for the new Mandalorian society. Peacekeepers of the Outer Rim. Planets paying them not just in credits but in raw resources and industrial strength. How many planets like Nevarro are there out there who would gladly take protection from Mandalorians? Especially Mandalorians who live their lives by hardcore creed and would never break a deal with you and start extorting you? Even the New Republic would probably gladly give them leftover ships and resources to help deal with chaos of the Outer Rim. The Children of The Watch can be the perfect ambassadors
I remember a tribe in Iberia that was like the protectors of all the other tribes around it, it survive until the Romans came
Bo and Din will share power with Grogu being the heir and the Mandalorian people will replace the Jedi as the protectors of the galaxy… I think that would be cool. That’s my theory/wishful thinking.
They're doing what the True Mandalorians did in legends. Nice to see that happening.
That sounds good in theory, but there are a few problems with it. 1-If they were to police the outer rim they would be better off living on everyone else's planet instead of wanting to take their own back., 2-To maintain their own planet they still would need some other kinds of workers. Even if they import all of the materials from off planet, they still need people who can do things with those things. Someone has to be the cooks, the builders, the business people, the designers, etc. 3-If the Star Wars galaxy is circular rotating around the core worlds as I have always seen it depicted, then the outer rim would be extremely spread out and that would make it very difficult to patrol. Being situated on the one planet would exacerbate this issue as well. 4-The First Order is coming. If the Mandalorians become everyones' guardians they will have to get mowed down trying to protect everyone from the First Order. 5-If they become these noble protectors, why doesn't the resistance at least work with them to defend everyone?
@@davidbrandt848 How’s about we ignore the fanfic that was the sequel trilogy, in this theory, yeah?
The fact the armourer had Bo Katan take off her helmet and said shes been apart of both worlds i think means that the children of the watch will be accepting to other houses, clans and factions of mandolorians
Yeah, that was kinda hard to miss. I have to assume Allan didn't watch the episode yet. He is way to insightful to have missed that.
I think their clan will remain the same. But they will be willing to work with other groups that don’t follow the same rules
I disliked that. Because I get it. It's her saying we accept you even if you don't follow the way. However if she thought the way was the best way to do things then she'd have explained that want to follow her but would like her to follow the way. Then accept her decision on if she wants to follow the way.
When discussing Mandalorians as a warrior culture, it is useful to look at their inspiration in the real world. Traviss based the culture of the Mandalorians on ancient Germanic and Celtic tribes, basically they're space vikings, and in these cultures even if it was expected that every single man was a warrior, that didn't preclude them from also being other things, such as teachers, scientists, economists, shipwrights etc. they just ALSO have to be warriors. It's not a profession like a soldier, it's more a way of life. The armorer is a good example of this. She is primarily a blacksmith, that is her profession, but like a good Mandalorian she is also quite the capable warrior. You don't have to pick between practicing a useful profession that actively contributes to your society and being well versed in the art of war, you can do both.
I do wonder whether the Mandalorians under Dave Feloni and John Favreau may become something akin to the wardens of the outer-rim / unknown regions. Since those regions are too far out from the core worlds and the Republic, in both distance, influence and priorities, it may become the perfect playing fields for Mandalorian stories. Vast regions of space to explore, conquer and patrol is something I find suiting for the Mandelorian creed and still allows for a range of subfactions. It might be a good solution to keep the Mandalorians as a faction, decently varied yet still impactfull and different from the Republic or imperial remnants.
Regardless, I am looking forward to what they make out of this series for now.
They would need a lot of Mandalorians to guard the whole Outer Rim. Nevarro is close to the Mandalorian sector, so defending it in the future is simple enough. The rest, not so much.
@@Senovitj ow absolutely. But I am less meaning actual full control or conquest of those regions. Something like this would require the Mandalorians rising back up to their Crusader days. Rather that they will become a new powerhouse faction for those outer regions far away from the republic. Sure, some systems will be directly controlled by them, but the rest of those regions rather calling out for their aid in the future rather then the republic.
The Armorer asked Bo-Katan to remove her helmet specifically to underscore to the other Children of the Watch that not all Mandalorians would follow their specific creed.
Jedi: "We're keepers of the peace, not soldiers"
Mandalorians: "We can do both"
Truth
Yet they fail at both.
I think the latest episode solves the problems of Mandalorian warrior culture; become protectors, guardians, so they still get their fight kicks, while being productive members of society. The Outer Rim is still pretty lawless so they provide a service to more peaceful people and get stability so they can grow as a culture. As long as they don't decide to get greedy for power, they have a chance to reclaim a sense of true civilization. As long as wise leaders remember the mistakes of the past even a bit, Mandalorians may rise again.
This is the way.
@@HeirarchistAreSubhumans This is the way
the way this is
@@frinoffrobis Niiiiiiicccce... I see what you did there!
Dang... this is the way.
The latest episode shows the Madalorians have no shortage of people to fight. The Empire remnants still float around the mid-outer rim, the unknown regions are where Palpatine is cloning himself and building the First order, the pirates know the new republic is even less efficient than the empire was so they're scooping up resources. This a prime opportunity for the Mandalorian people to become a new superpower in this part of the galaxy. Heck, Thrawn could be completely separate from the First order and building his _own_ Empire somewhere.
but wasn't Thrawn's race some kind of empire at the time he was with Empire?
@@kahtyman7293 You're referring to the Chiss Ascendancy who live in the unknown regions.
The empire of the hand in canon? Yes please
"I mean, if I went around saying I was an emperor just because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me, they’d put me away!" I wish they hadn't cut this line out of Din's conversation with Bo Katan.
I’d love to watch a show about Paz “negotiating” with other cultures and aliens. Literally no dialogue just violence
I was sad to see the Mandalorians didn't take the pirate ship. It made no sense for the Mandalorians not to board it after Din pulled the fighters away. Once the ship was captured the ground forces would of either surrendered or fled quickly. My guess is somthing else is coming to wreck the day and that ship would of given them too much of an edge, especially once the Mandalorians upgraded it.
Agreed. I thought their plan was to board it from the start, that they’d drop onto the pirate ship instead of the city but apparently not.
I'm not sure of the timeline of everything, but I heard that this pirate is supposed to be a big deal during Skeleton Crew, so he might be plot armored for now.
@@matthewpelletier6900 I would think he and his possible plot armor would have had an easier story of survival if he were captured rather than smashing into that mountain with his ship.
@@teamwolfe19 Not enough Mandalorians for that sadly, but I do wish they captured that ship or get another one
Mandalorians are killing machines not tactacians.
They can , IF they can avoid the one great weakness of their past culture. Pointless aggression. Being great warriors without a goal just leads to then turning on each other. I suspect the Mando's are going to become, what Rangers of the republic would have been if it hadn't been derailed by KK.
Wasn't Rangers derailed because of Gina? I mean. I have never seen someone throw away guaranteed employment like she did lmao. And she was supposed to star in that show wasn't she?
@@Iluvlollipops that is correct. It was cancelled probably because of Gina doing what she did, and Lucasfilms reluctance to recast her as she would’ve been I assume the main character
@Brandon The toy and Game collector A show following Mayfield as he finds old spec ops imperials and they go on a rampage so they can all sleep better at night.
@@Iluvlollipops Not going to rehash the whole story , what she was propertied to have said was grossly exaggerated and was used by KK to dump Gina and Derail Favro and Felonies' works. .
Armour stated she could bring them together. She didn't say lead them. Big distinction!
Exactly! I think the Armorer has a big picture in mind that she hasn’t revealed yet. She literally said, “Do you respect my station?” In other words, she’s not handing the leadership role to Bo. She’s giving her an assignment, albeit a very important one. Overall, she is starting to understand that Mandalorians need organization, roles, etc., while having unity and acceptance.
Yes....But....
As someone below said Mandalorians could be setting themselves up to be the peacekeepers/law enforcement of the outer rim. As with the Templars during the Crusades outer rim planets would pay them for their services, or agricultural planets would give them a percentage of the harvest in a kinda feudal-esque system.
And secondly I am former military, 9 years. We were cross-trained in many MOS (Military-Occupational-Specialties). Of course everyone was trained to be front-line combat ready rifleman should the time come, but we were also trained as Medical, Logistics, Cooks, Transportation, Engineering, Computers/Technology, Mechanics, etc.
I think as we saw at the end of "The Pirate" The Armorer recognizes not every Mandalorian Clan or Tribe are not as hard core as The Watch, and she realizes has to be practical now if their people are to survive. Thats why she did what she did with Bo-Katan. "Take off your helmet, do you trust me? Do you recognize my authority? Bo-Katan walks in BOTH worlds."
Plus confessing that she saw the mythosaur also helps her status.
Alot of people have not liked this season, but I believe this season, like Season 1 of Babylon 5, or Season 1-(half)2 of DS9 is being used as a setup to put storylines and characters into place for some really BIG stuff to go down later on.
This season is largely about world building from the Mythosaur on Madalore to their relocation on Nevarro.
@@dred9174 and don't forget about the bureaucracy of the New Republic: Meet the New Boss, Same as the Old Boss.
I think this works out for the best Nevarro looks like an economic center but they don't have any soldiers/warriors to protect them they can deal with the civic side of things while the Mandalorians handle the military protection part of it. The added benefit is that living on in the open on Nevarro gives them the opportunity to recruit more people.
The armorer didn’t say Bo Katan was going to lead Mandalor. She said she was going to unite them.
I hope that is the case. Got a bad feeling we took a turn toward the re-run of Bo Katan gets to claim her entitled birthright because she feels owed it.
Something I'd say you forgot is that they don't really have a military to begin with, they are more militia based than having a professional army to support. I do agree their ideals and culture doesn't lend itself to being a proper nation but more of a tribal or small town at best. Anything more than that and you will run into issues
But the Children of the Watch are working to overcome one of the big weaknesses keeping then from forming a proper army, the obsession over families and clans. Though a lot more organizing and esprit de corps needs to be established.
I think they're heading towards setting up a federation of independent worlds, the failings of the Mandalorians are compensated for if they're just the military wing of a greater whole.
Confederacy of Independent Systems 2.0, only without the Sith manipulating them.
@@spiderboy43 and corporations
Mandalorians provide protection. Mandalorians have no problem living with non-Mandos and have no problem with having separate ruling classes. If you are an engineer, doctor or an unskilled laborer one of the safest outter rim places to live is on Mandalore. Help rebuild a Mandalorian Dome City and you live under the protection of the Mandalorians with a separate civil government for the non-Mandos.
It seems to me that the Mandalorian is following a similar storyline to the Mandalorians from KOTOR, where they're all divided until Mandalore the Preserver comes in and begins uniting the fallen Mandalorian clans, then later on making the Mandalorians into a real galactic power.
I know! I wish it was Din becoming the mandalore as he truly has now walked both worlds and he has the same drip as Mandalore the Preserver.
I still think It's going to be Din to be Mandalore. Or I hope so. Bo's already tried to lead twice. And it's gone badly. Every. Time. I think it would be a waaaay better development for her to realize that she shouldn't try to lead. But to help the one who should lead. Like, she can train him how to use the dark saber. Maybe even help Grogu train since she knows more about the jedi than anyone else in the Mando covert. It would tie in her arc nicely.
The problem is that he doesn't seem like the governing or army commanding type though.
Yes this was my thought too. Sometimes the greatest leader is the one that is called reluctantly because that person will not be power hungry and will be neutral between factions.
I feel like there is a decent chance we see a different type of governance. As opposed to one leader, perhaps you end up with two, one to lead the people, and one to protect them. Bo Katan has the experience and drive to unite her people, and Din is a fighter that fiercely protects what he believes in. Both have good leadership qualities but are missing the other half.
When Bo Katan told Din of her father's warrior death his response was a very emotional "This is the way." Perhaps everyone in a unified Mandalorian society dying in battle together is one of their versions of success.
I think the mandalorians could really benefit from a sort of cast system where those uninterested in following the intense code of the children could operate as the civilian portion of the population and anyone can bathe in the waters to rejoin the military. Then their large military could be hired security for other planets and settlements while maintaining a civilian population and solving the issue of less diehard mandalorians. Having a highly radical military can be dangerous but it's pretty standard since discipline and respect are core to success in combat. Also the core of the children's dogma encourages a protector/tradition mindset which could be leveraged into creating a stable non-oppressive military culture.
I feel like this show could be also setting up mandalorian lead/rule for post sequel movies after the lead of the New Republic was destroyed. Being both peacekeepers and warriors through the galaxy.
"The Mask of Mandalore was passed down through the ages to those Mandalorians who proved themselves worthy of the title of Mand'alor, leader of the Mandalorian clans.
During the concluding battle of the Mandalorian Wars, the Jedi Knight Revan and Mandalore the Ultimate faced each other in single combat. Revan was the victor of the duel, and learned from Mandalore that the invasion had been orchestrated by a mysterious agent of the Sith. After slaying his opponent, Revan and Malak traveled to the planet Rekkiad, where Mandalore and the Sith had discovered the tomb of an ancient Sith Lord. There, the two Jedi found a datacron that would lead them to the planet Nathema, but Revan left the mask in the Sith's sarcophagus.[4] By hiding the mask on Rekkiad, Revan condemned the clans to wander without a leader."
“This is the Way, but it’s not the only way.” The Armorer apparently.
There is a solution to Mandalorian culture: give them power. There is a prescient historical comparison to be made with Spartans to be sure, but they also remind me of nomad horselords of the stepps. They are raised in warfare, are highly mobile on the battlefield, and are too light to stand up to heavy industrial weaponry. They are now a nomadic people on the run, their smaller numbers than the rest of the Galaxy has not stopped their ambitions of conquest in the past. When you study the nomadic conquering cultures throughout history, they had often no trouble taking over Persia, China, Northern India, great powerful empires. Despite their demographic disadvantage and sometimes even their lagging technology, their appetance for warfare and the weakness of their enemy made them conquerors. They tooks states, created dynasties... and then they just assimilated. They became decadent, sometimes weak, forgetting the very warfare they were designed to do.
The Mandalorians in their current state cannot support an empire, they lack ressources, demography, industry, leadership. However they could prop up one, be the tip of the spear of a galaxy wide government. Imagine if you will that some Republic or Empire successor state finally has enough of the Siths ans Jedis burning half the Galaxy everytime their religious war enters a new chapter. This state could hire the only non-force sensitive but still dangerous infantry there is: the Mandos. Once they become the military elite, they can gather power and very much like the Mameluks in Egypt, the foreign born elite units just end up overthrowing the bosses and ruling. For the first few generations they can keep the traditions, but with power and comfort comes complacency. If you get all Mandalorians to go decadent maybe you can finally eradicate that dangerous part of their culture.
Also I think some combination of arms wouldn't do Mandalorians any harm. Their ancestors had entire functionning militaries but the modern Mandos we see are basically just flying special forces. They are fearsome in a short term, small objectives battle, but in any large scale engagements they can't hope to compete. I remember we see some speeders and starfighters in Clone Wars but that is about it. They have no heavy weaponry or force projection or artillery support. No wonder they got pawned by bombers, they think all warfare is fought in close quarter combat. The Mandalorians as the warrior elite of a conventionnal army is a concept that the Clone army has somewhat touched with the commandos and we know how efficient that balance could be.
I would LOVE the new Mandalorian society in the unknown regions! And I fully agree that the unknown regions is a fantastic setting for Disney to tell new stories that both old and new audiences to their franchise.
I'd love a post sequel Galaxy full of independent systems with no empires or republics like tattoine and Navarro. It's even work thematically with the independent fleet at end of RoS
Honestly if they were to start a new set of story's say about 1000 ABY where the galaxy is formed by a number of different systems or regional governments it would fit better and allow a more dynamic storytelling element and allow for more Wars for the titular Star Wars. I think I even different Force traditions besides the Jedi could even be more interesting.
The fact is Corsuscant as it is in the Skywalker Era is bloated and corrupt and needs to be decimated and be brought back into balance on one way or another. Im sure other core systems have similar issues.
Ya know if the Mandolorian as a show is going towards the birth of a new Mandalore peoples as well as having Thrawn potentially appear as a villain then I have to wonder what observations about the children of the watch Thrawn will use to fight them. There are the obvious ones such as the protection of foundlings and helmet removal resulting in exile but surely there will be more to exploit. Otherwise it would just be Thrawn flying about with a giant beskar-attracting magnet to de-helm everyone and being done with it.
If you want to be non-joking he'd examine their artworks and identify psychological weaknesses in their culture, most likely around their dogma of following martial strength, and use that to lure them into a trap and defeat them.
If you think about it, that shouldn't be too hard. Their leaders have a cultural need to do the alpha thing which makes them really easy to deceive.
7:23 the other major drawback of Mandalorian warrior culture is that they focus on having a few super commandos rather than building an army of varied troops and specialists.
I actually really like the idea of bo-katan not getting a second chance persee, but the fact that she's been on pretty much all sides does make her the perfect candidate to bring Mandalore together, but does that bring her the Mandalore throne, im not sure
Cool to see Allen vlogging all relaxed in his chair!
The look way Paz Visla looked at Din right after The Armorer said Bo Katan would lead them tells me that is not a popular choice. Could be interesting to see that dynamic
I honestly like Bo as a character more than any of the characters introduced in the clone wars cartoon and was glad she showed up in the Mandalorian with the same actress, but if they go the route of making her Mandalore, I'm gonna be very disappointed. That would be rewarding repeated personal failure to coddle the entitlement she has long carried since her upbringing as part of an aristocratic elite house. Din Djarin is set up to be the Mandalore reborn. He better represents the values of the original Mandalore. This is the way.
I kind of wish that the screen writers had put in some Mandoa into the script, even something as simple as Mandalorian curses & insults and/or having the Armorer ask Bo Katan to remove her boyece instead of saying helmet
Good discussion on the economics and sociology of Mandalorian society.
By the end of the felonivers My prediction is the mandos and Jedi will fight together as a galactic peacekeeping force, maybe after defeating thrawn but I would like if they introduced a bigger threat like the rakatans
Greef karga can show the mandalorians how to build a better community without needless bloodshed, as well as bo-katan.
And carson teva's conversation with the mandalorian was interesting and seeing him with zeb makes sense, carson is exactly the kind of person zeb would be friends with.
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Full of bullet holes through the engine and gas tanks for station wagon. That's what plinkete says about the fantom mance
something that would be cool is if they took a sorta Quarian route by training everyone as mandalorian warriors, then sending them out into the galaxy on an expedition to gain honor, then return to mandalore with a new found technology or weapon or historical artifact, etc.
A Mando Pilgrimage, I like it.
Love the episode, plot development and overall arc
What if Bo's mandalorian friends that left her also betrayed her.
How would the emperial remnants find her? Why was there beskar at the shuttle transporting Gideon?
I think the smart thing would be for the Mandalorians to unite and settle on Navaro. Navaro could certainlym use the protection and their civilian infrastructure could easily support the small amount of Mandalorians that are left. Just give them a few ships and the Mandalorians could act as the full military protectors of the system and trade lanes.
Gordon R. Dixon's Dorsai series could be a good model for sustaining themselves. The Dorsai were militaristic and their sole economic resource were the best soldiers and leaders in the galaxy. And being so fighting as mercenaries was a basis of their culture. The right to claim foundlings could even be part of the their contracts. Maybe even some type of bardering for goods.
Fits the Mandalorians quite well I think.
I think the Armour asking Bo to remove her helmet was because The Armour trusts Bo understands and she has seen The Way and the ultimate path to redemption for the Mandalorian clans. The Children of the Watch have been so hard in their ways that they pushed away the other clans to the point that the other clans feel their is no more compromising and it's thier way or no way. They are both Mandalore, but up to this point not in the eyes of The Children of the Watch, since the other clans have chosen to strayed from The Way. Bo and Din have both walked the path of redemption, but who better to show that path to other clans than the one who in eyes of many is responsible for the demise of Mandalore. I still think the Armour believes following The Way is the only way, but up until this point, apart from taking in new foundlings, they lacked the ability of getting others to acknowledge The Way. Those who strayed were exiled stressing protecting the up bringing of foundlings even more. Redemption is now possible and it is important to spread word of it. Bo was chosen for this task. She can relate to position of other clan members but she can also show others The Way. She has walked both sides. Beyond that I'm not sure where her devolpment will go, but I think she will always retain that political leadership role either as an adviser or new political head.
Din is set for another purpose with Gorgue and Dark Saber still in hand, which the story still needs to flesh out more in order to extrapolate more from it. But I'd imagine Din is leading a path to a new Maldore, whether Din knows it or not. Hence Din using his past friendships/debts stilled owed to aquire and setup a new a society for his people when they all choose to intervine in the priate raid rather than hide. That path wouldn't have been their without Din previous mando interactions.
Din doesnt need to lead from a political or military standpoint and be the next Mandolore the Ultimate leading all of Mandalore society. He just needs to continue being the cool Mando leading by example and his actions of what he thinks holds true to The Way, which has concided with helping Gorgue, his people, and to those risking thier lives or expense to help him. Just being the stubborn badass mandalorian that we Star War fans love. Those he interacts with acknowledge his strength and combat skills, but they also acknowledge his commitment to The Creed whether they do so in jest or not. I think Bo's gawking at the cave waters was meant to be taken as her being awe of Din's commitment to the Creed up until this point quite literally risking everything showing just how much redemption in the Mandalore Way meant to him. She was in the presence of what it truly meant to be Mandalorian in it purest form and what it will take to make Mandalore whole again, hence seeing a Mythosaur.
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The real issue is that the children of the watch don't seem to understand what a lookout is with all of those animals swallowing people whole.
As I have said elsewhere - one of the many things that cause me to ever-increasingly appreciate Andor / Rogue One is the complexity of the worlds that they build. They attempt to answer the "What is that in the background of the Space Opera that we call Star Wars?" Ferrix has an economy, governing bodies have bureaucracies, spies have day jobs, people guess wrong, make mistakes. No one, other than nerds like Alan or me, wonders about the economic structure of Mandalorian culture. Consider the historical example of the last earthly militaristic nation-state: Sparta. Their men were all warriors, all the time. Their economy, therefore, needed the helots, the slaves that did all the things needed to keep an economy moving. The movie "300" doesn't dwell on that inconvenient fact, even as it makes the Spartans seem like genuine liberty-for-all types. As always, great thoughts found on this channel. BZ!
But wasn't the armorer telling Bo Katan to remove her helmet and that she walks 2 worlds shows that she has learned to be more tolerant if what remains of the Mandalorian people are to reunite as one again.
Well, war is their trading. However I think the key is getting the best of both worlds. Satine had a way peaceful society and the death watch was trying to undermine it. So I think the solution will be a society where both ways will be the way.
I would 100% buy merch that says why "open doors when you can spartan kick them"
Anyone else ever see that meme where Willie from The Simsons is talking about how the sith have ruined mandalore, how jedi have ruined mandalore, how the republic has ruined mandalore, how the empire has ruined mandalore, and how mandalorians have ruined mandalore?
Hey, what if Din finds a IG circuit board in a cantina bar. Walks in and is like.. is that a IG unit head? I need in of those.
I watched it as well as “The Bad Batch” this morning. BOTH good shows!
Paz Vizsla unboxing aliens? Warhammer, you are thinking of Warhammer 40K.
Idk man Paz vizsla arriving to battle on a jet pack with an oversized gun screams space marines to me
After rewatching all the episodes before this latest one dropped, I actually thought the pirate storyline would be bigger. I do like how the Imperial Remnant may be setting up a conflict between the New Republic and the Mandolorian people.
I thought this winter was depressing until I watched this analysis.
i think in this episode there are 2 points to consider. the first is that yes its a little surprising given her history involving taking power leading the mandalorians that she is now she is in a position to seek out other mandalorians and bringing them together but i think she learned enough from her past about how to go about doing that and witnesed the kinds of progress from her sister satine. the second is the children watch band what it represents for them now that they saved nevarro and have a place to rebuild. plus you gotta think from how the group seems to function and react with all these recent events. i believe the childeren of the watch has the potentail at this point to adapt to the situation and posibly transform into a group verry similar to the group of madalorians called the "true mandalorians" which convieniently was the same group jango fett was apart of and was named manda'lor for a time. but watch out for the armorer. she told bo'katan to take her helmet off, thats like comandment #1. i think with her, theres gonna be some game of thonse $#!+ about to happen
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I think Alan is right, there wasn't a mention of Mandalorian's in the sequel trilogy
The only way to change the cycle of Mandalorian leadership failure is having Bo-Katan and Din Djarin joint rule.
"there are many ways" needs to be part of the foundation of mandalore
Not all Mandalorians were active military personnel, but all of them could be, were trained to be, and were expected to maintain those skills. So that, they would be able to answer the call of the Manda'lor. Also, most of this was cultural. Rather than a standing military, It was much more akin to a father passing his own personal collection of guns on to his children who he had trained to use them and use them safely.
Obviously, Mandalorians would have a standing military, and that would be paid for by their government. But all Mandalorians would still be able to be "Mandalorian warriors" and still also be able to be anything else that their society needs: farmers, engineers, tech specialists, scientists, etc...
So, honestly I think your argument here is at least a bit misguided.
It was much more akin to a father passing his own personal collection of guns on to his children who he had trained to use them and use them safely.
Not really their culture was war and it had to do partly with practicality for a variety of reasons.
1# Passing down armor sets meant that they didn't need to make as many new armor sets for each generation as beskar was rare and only certain people with special knowledge and training could mold the metal. Which meant that making armor sets, weapons, etc was a slow process. In fact in legends the practice was partly adopted because beskar was so rare and only certain people knew how to forge it.
2# There were times in history when the clans were scattered like they are know in the mandalorian and they didn't have access to beskar ore or the forges/tools necessary to forge new sets of armor in some cases they may have not even have had a forge master. So it was more practical to pass down the armor to the next generation when the wearer got to old or when they died.
And every single person that a suit was passed down to was fully expected to not only train with it but wear and fight in it. As this was the practice amongst the warriors of the clans.
@@phoenixx913 You're just saying what i said, but with a lot more words.
My saying this: "It was much more akin to a father passing his own personal collection of guns on to his children who he had trained to use them and use them safely."
Was only to illustrate my point, that it was cultural, by likening it to something potentially culturally relatable.
Note that I started by saying this: "Not all Mandalorians were active military personnel, but all of them could be, were trained to be, and were expected to maintain those skills. So that, they would be able to answer the call of the Manda'lor."
Also, the passing of Mandalorian armor is almost directly relatable to this "It was much more akin to a father passing his own personal collection of guns on to his children who he had trained to use them and use them safely."
"Passing down armor sets meant that they didn't need to make as many new armor sets for each generation as beskar was rare and only certain people with special knowledge and training could mold the metal. Which meant that making armor sets, weapons, etc was a slow process. In fact in legends the practice was partly adopted because beskar was so rare and only certain people knew how to forge it."
It was very much not always done by necessity, in fact, I'd say that would be the weakest argument, because legacy has and always will have sway. If anything the scarcity of Beskar, is only a contributing factor for the prevalence of the custom, in other words, how it came to be in the first place. Bo-Katan herself wears inherited armor, in fact the armor had been in her family for three generations, according to her. Boba Fett wanted his father's armor, because it was his father's armor, and he proved that it was his by right of inheritance. You think he couldn't have killed another Mandalorian and taken their armor, bought some on the black market? The Beskar from Bo-katan's armor very much could have been repurposed to forge a new set. Not just by her either, why? I think you know my guess. That came from within her family, specifically, not her house, which comprises multiple clans fyi. Example, The Wren clan is/was part of the, Vizla house. I would imagine that every house would have access to at least one armorer, if not every clan. Yes, Beskar is precious, most Mandalorians, in fact, don't have a full set. Adding even more cultural value of a full set of Mandalorian armor, which would be a physical manifestation of the legacy of your ancestors. A true representation of achievement over lifetimes.
I can see them pulling something like the old Swiss Confederacy. Were there primary export are mercenaries and they remain the most decisively neutral faction in the galaxy.
Historically speaking, Switzerland had a very good mercenary culture where individual contents or principalities would essentially raise mercenary companies for any monarch in question willing to pay.
"They will die a death that will last millennia, until all that remains is their code, their history, and in the end, the shell of their armor upon the shell of a man, too easily slain by Jedi."
~ Kreia
That's legends not disney canon.
@@phoenixx913 I know, same likely outcome though. Besides, Kreia's wisdom doesn't give a damn about "canon" lines.
What if when the Mandalorians venture off into the unknown regions, they find another planet with Beskar? This could be another Lassat species situation, except instead of people still living on this older planet, it was completely evacuated because of a rival power in the region. I like your theory that they go out to the unknown regions
As for The New Mandalorians under Lady Satine, all those buildings weren't just built overnight. They must have had infrastructure and people doing non-warrior jobs for possibly several generations. Was she not inheritor of the rulership from her father when he died as a Mandalorian does?
Bo-katan is possibly inheritor, the next in line since Satine didn't seem to produce any offspring. She also has ruled briefly with the Darksaber. She's a well known person among Mandalorians, regardless of her failures. Those who get it, know that one typically learns the best from failure.
The perspective that all of the Mandalorians were all warriors, may coexist with the fact that they have to do everyday mundane things as well. One can certainly do both in the same day.
I have no clue about the current canon's novels or comics, I don't follow that stuff. So whatever is currently canon in those media regarding The Way and Mandalorian Traditional Culture may exist as it does, *if* it does. Otherwise, those things are pretty vague at the moment and are being written to fill in lore gaps and inconsistencies, and to alter anything from legends novels and comics to fit the current star wars narrative. Once these things are fully explored and clearly codified, we'll see what it really means to be a True Mandalorian, in this canon. Until then, its just a lot of speculation on what their goals and ideals are, and will be.
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Like so many of the comments have already stated. Their in a good start-up position to have both economic and societal growth without sacrificing their militaristic nature as if this latest episode. The Armorer has been leading them at a slow but very calculated pace and now is starting to ramp it up because of their increasingly ideal positioning. Even though Mandalore is still the end target to re-ignite their society where it started, there's no reason why devote off planet Mandalorians cannot call other planets home economically and for potential of their survival in the event of a history repeat. The Children of the Watch survived largely in part to them living on a moon of Mandalore and not being actually on it. And as for the New Mandalorians that pushed war aside and in the end were little prepared militaristiclly, like some counties on Earth , have every citizen take required military training and service so that there's a potential for better survival and military action.
6:22 or they could take the classical big bran move from warrior cultures and hire themselves out to their richer neighbors to raid, I mean defend their employers from *their* rich neighbors...
That usually works out pretty well for two of the three parties involved
You might be surprised by how diverse is the mandalorian society due to all the phases they have been through ... It might be even possible they rebuild their society faster than anyone believe
Funny that the answer to save Mandalore is to become like Jedi.
Bo-Katan is a Disney Princess = Fact
Soon to be queen
@@GenerationTech Possible fact ;)
After “The Pirate” it seems to me there’s a very clear way for the Mandalorians to reestablish themselves and thrive without having to leave the galaxy. The New Republic is clearly unwilling and unable to bring law and stability to the galaxy at large, and Nevarro was an ideal blueprint for a resurgent Mandalore, acting as a peacekeeping force for planets outside the NR in exchange for the goods that Mandalore initially couldn’t produce on its own. So long as they don’t let it degenerate into a protection racket, there’s a lot of goodwill to be had while still playing to their strengths. And it’s an ideal path for Din and Bo Katan
I think a good model for them, would be to take on the role the Turians have in Mass Effect, but maybe on a smaller scale in the outer rim.
The Mandalorians can become a economy like Japan. There planet has high value metal bestakar that can forged into high value products that can be used to provide fund knowledge based training for the younger generations in becoming scientist, doctors... As warriors, there services would be in high demand for jobs and training in self-defense planetary forces.
I can't wait to see the Mandalorian Helmet-Optional Beach.
I think Grogu would become Mand'alor one day, and knowing his species are wise, extremely long-live and Force-sensitive, he'll ruled Mandalore wisely.
*Woof* Yoda was all those things and brought the Jedi to verge of extinction so bad example. The Mandolorian don't need more force sensitivity they have done more harm than good to them. So I will be cool if he just like the armorer is the source of wisdom/respect but not interested in power. It was that last bit that fuck up the Jedi. They should have kept their independence instead of becoming the Republic's pet armed religious zealots.
@@Notmyday2009 armorer!grogu would actually be so cool omg
@@Notmyday2009 Yoda, much like the rest of the Jedi council, forgot their roots and became complacent during the centuries of peace they had, and the extreme rise in the Dark Side of the Force blinded them to the oncoming threat that was The Empire. Can’t blame Yoda for something he literally couldn’t see coming, even with his skill in the Force.
@@decimation9780 Yeah it was definitely a deer-in-headlights kind of thing for the Jedi. Yes, they thought they were doing right by serving the Republic.
Its been said before, that if they truly worked to understand what the balance in The Force actually meant, then they wouldn't have been so ill prepared to deal with such an abrupt shift towards the dark. The Jedi's fear ultimately led to suffering.
@Sword Fish The final step for Mandolorian to become Lanky Space dwarves in Star Wars. The sacred forge/mine/precious metal/warrior/diaspora force to leave their home after there leader fuck up and bring desolation unable to deal with outside power. etc
(I am 100% for this)
I think what the biggest factor would be that will bring Mandalorians back to together into a more complete and eclectic society will be connecting to and riding the mythosaur.
I can only think of one Mandalorian who is capable of accomplishing that and it’s not Bo Katan, Din Jarin, or The Armorer. It’s Grogu.
I don’t think Grogu would be in a position of just flat out rule. Like most boy kings he would have adult governing advisors, and I think that may be an interesting storyline.
It would also be interesting to see those of Yoda’s species in such ruling or governing positions.
There would of course be Grand Master of the Jedi Order Yoda and then The Mandalore Grogu. And due to Grogu’s natural lifespan that may bring in an interesting era for the Mandalorians,
I'd say that the ideal for Mandalore would be a reclamation of their homeworld, but also a Covert/Monastery system (think Buddist Warrior Monks, not Christian pacifists). Whilst they can rebuild their home slowly, being that independent faction that is very capable but not demanding political allegiance. Instead they effectively contract out their strength for land grants on other worlds for them to run/live on, set up businesses that interact locally but are using their profits to rebuild Mandalore. It would work long term as without a political organisation to unify the outer rim they'd still need protectors, and it would allow the more militaristic Mandalorians to contribute and be part of the society without disrupting those Mandalorians focused on the rebuilding effort. Plus, if they're known for taking Beskar as *payment* then suddenly all these locations can effectively out-source the process of Beskar retrieval to the outer rim and their partners. Making Beskar almost a second currency for interacting with the Mandalorians.
What if the Mandalorians stay on Nevarro? You said yourself that they can’t thrive as a warrior society alone.
Mandalorians: has military, needs infrastructure
Nevarro: has infrastructure, needs military
It’s actually a pretty fitting match.
I think the problem isn't their militaristic attitude, it's the targets they pick.
Someone else suggested they could take on the pirates. That seems like a win-win situation, they win because they get to fight and civilization wins because pirates get kicked out.
Of course, there's still the problem that eventually they will get big enough that pirates aren't a good enough fight anymore, but that's a long way off.
I think what a lot of us are missing here is that there may be a faction of Mandalorians who follow Moff Gideon. Simply because he held the dark saber. Who do we think "rescued" him from his transport, and is why he didn't make it to trial.
Or the remnant hired the ship full of mandalorians that abandoned bo-katan. Or the remnant just merely placed the beskar there to turn the new republic agaisnt the mandalorians.
I thought it was weird that the Mandalorians didn't attempt a boarding action on the pirate ship. The hangar was open.
You really thing think they would make the same mistakes after all the civil wars & the lose of their planet. That they would make the same mistakes? The Armorer just did the most unusual thing, that appears to be against the Watch’s Creed? Sending Bo out to find the rest of the scattered Mandalorians throughout the galaxy. She will likely find the Night Owls first, what happens next we’ll see. favreau is writing the 4th season now. Espicially in the case of Bo-Katan, she won’t make the mistakes again. She refused the Dark Saber a second time, she found a new home with the ultra-orthodox, she’s seen her pacifist sister, she’s seen regular mandalorian clans, she led the Night Owls. She is truly as the armorer said, the one who walks both paths. With her affinity to Din Djarin, since the highjacking of the freighter, she knows she can rely on him. With or without the Dark Saber, she can still rule & her relationship with Din gives her the power to unite by proxy.
Only if they fail to learn from the mistakes of the past and ironically they have all they need to avoid them by looking at the two main sects, The New Mandalorians and Death Watch.
Death Watch were highly competent fighters, skilled in combat, intelligence gathering espionage and sabotage. But they were small, unstable, cruel and had no long term plan to keep Mandalor afloat
New Mandalorians were progressive, they helped maintain a strong economy, a thriving population, good relations with other planets and systems, rising to become a pretty strong power, but lacked a strong military to defend themselves.
Main thing to take away. Have a strong military presence and be capable of defending yourself but also keep a sturdy economy that isn't solely dependent on war and fighting.
They will be hired sheriffs of the Outer Rim. This will make use of their martial skills without having to conquer other planets.
I know legends fans may not like this but I kinda want a modern day Mandalorian Wars again Against the New Republic post Sequel's Era. With Imperial and First/Final Order reminates causing both sides to become more extreme. The Jedi in this situation would have to figure out who's most right and tbh if any Sith still lives at this time use this as a way to start growing a new Sith empire maybe idk I really want post sequels to be like the O.R. as tbh the way I see it we need something like that to unite the fandom give everyone a taste of what they like and dont like while also having goofy kid stuff to keep it proper.
Hey Alan..what happened with the Dolphin Movement??
Did we win??
I think Bo won’t lead long term
I think there will be leadership development of din in the form of Bo getting made a martyr.
The conflict with moff Gideon and thrawn will start to accelerate and accumulate.
Almost certain the tie interceptors and bombers were sent by him and thrawn
Thrawn has always known the value of knowledge and technology.
I’m sure he knows of beskar and it’s many uses.
I’ll bet that it was thrawns boys who rescued moff Gideon
We’ll see a large emphasis being placed on this nearing the end of the season imo
They need artists to keep the sanity and mental health of their people alive.
Is Thrawn bathing in the living waters and turning to lead Mandalore a terrible idea?
I think it's clear that they need to be in the "Security" business. The Outer Rim is in dire need of a highly armed, highly trained, security force with an embedded morality.
Of course, the Armourer is just getting rid of her only competition by sending off Bo Katan...
I can see Din pulling both.
One part that's the peaceful mandolorians ways and the other being for those who want to be warriors must fallow the Code of the Super Commando.
6:08 Karen Traviss gets into these problems in her books that are part of the Legacy of the Force series from legends.
Also expanding into the unknown regions would also fit with the more space western themes of the show. Westerns are a romantization of "manifest destiny" and invading settlers taking over what to them is perceived to be unclaimed land. When it's possible there are thousands of habitable worlds with no native sentient species there are significant possibilities for expansion, and Mandalorians striving against local megafauna would meet their cultural needs for a few generations.
If Grogu goes to the outside region that would be dope. Maybe he helps them at an dangerous time and they take refuge at his homeworld
The answer is yes. Eventually they’ll be divided again.