I’m 56 now and started training at 14, I can definitely understand what is being said here. I am so much more dialed in. I can now get better results in less time, slightly less weight, better quality reps with less reps between sets. It’s just comes with experience
I agree with you. I'm 58, and started lifting at 13. Competed in my younger years. What I know now I wish I knew back then. I had to stop competing due to injuries. But, I still workout regularly.
I love it when Mike gets these Olympia guys on his channel, Frank Zane, Jay, those are legendary guys that I have massive respect for. And so does Mike, you can see it while he's talking to those guys.
He techniques that Jays described? Great for guys n GH. Same with Mike Mentzers HIT path. That type of training is for HGH guys. They just want to trash the muscles and feed them GH. Rest of us donthat kinda workouts? Your gonna get serious injuries and end up a 50 old Gimp. You will wreck your joints.
@@cherobinson6371I’ve been bodybuilding since I was 16 and now I’m almost 49 still going strong as ever BECAUSE I’ve followed this type of training (not realizing it until Jay started making these videos). No restrictions. Stay strong 💪
Man the two of you as training partners would be insane the knowledge you both have is insane between the both of you and different styles and levels my hats off to you guys
The key is consistency. You don't have to do the same program, same sets or reps every workout. You just have to stimulate the muscles. Not saying u should drop to 1 set per muscle all of a sudden, but to diversify the training, so u will always have fun doing it. As long as u keep working out u can maintain a great body as u age.
Your last sentence is spot on. I was lucky to be around the people growing up whom I learned training from, I listened to everything they said and grew...the only thing they never told me is what you put into it now (then) will show up later. I'm 40 and in better shape then 99% of the other gym members and apparently everyone at the beach this weekend..if I had known it would carry over I would of gone even harder and got bigger in my 20s. So hopefully this motivates someone somewhere...
Facts I was in a r 5:04 ut dropped to 3x a week from 5. I'd workout 3 days then take off 4 trash had no progress I'm working out 4 days 2 days on 1 day 2 days 2 days. I've made progress quicker then weeks of 3 days a week
gonna be 52 this year. Train 5 days a week. Plus cardio "walking outside/spinning on the bike" 5 days a week. Deadlift 2x a week with my new routine. I have goals to reach still..People either get it,or they run around lost..
I don't necessarily mean this in a bad way, but Mike is probably one of the most clear-cut examples of someone with narcissistic personality disorder that I've ever come across.
Mike might be taking stuffs here and there. He is a legend because no one on this planet can match his power and physique at the age of 53! You fools can take all the peds, and i can promise you can never get to his level by the age of 53.
Jay cutler is legend looks fantastic at the age of 50 as does Mike I appreciate their advice as they lead by example we should all aspire to look as good as these two athletes.
@@richardchapman594 Jay is on TRT now for sure. I definitely can believe that. Jay is huge and ripped, but he doesn't have that dryness and vascularity of a steroid user any more at all really. Jay is still bigger and more ripped than most guys competing, which is amazing, but we're talking about some of the worlds best genetics for bodybuilding and lifting weights. Mike I don't know. I don't think Mike has been fully honest, so it's hard to say what he's taking, while Jay has been real honest about his usage. Gear alone doesn't make a person look good anyway. How many people at your local gym are on gear with very little muscle and strength? A ton i'm sure. There are tons of people at my gym on juice who look awful. Genetics is really just so so huge with everything.
Thank you I will be turning 50 in March and I think I love training today just as much as I did at 19 probably more…It’s not something I can really explain because it’s just in me to want to go to the gym everyday.
JAY IS OLD SCHOOL i remember growing up buying magazines with Jay on the cover, and reading them in hotel rooms on family vacations in florida late into the night, thanks Jay, and Nassir, and Ronnie, and all the old school guys
Bruhhhh lol I distinctly remember going to Florida on vacation with my family I was like 14 and I made sure to pick up a muscle n fitness n then had my Walkman or cd plater I’m the back seat
ive always said, if u know how to recover, if u feel it and are able u can train seven days a week smart, it may not be “optimal”, but everything in training is about the feel, the flow, if u feel it and are getting everything outside the gym locked in, then u will grow going 7 days or 4 a week, i love it too much not to go 7, whether im there 2 hrs of 45 minutes, this video is packed with highlights
Well said. My diet, supplement and recovery is all on point so I train 7 days a week too. Of course we need to cycle through intensity periods. If I take a day off it will involve an intense cardio / cycling session.. I love it too much to take a day off and I’ve got the free time to do it everyday ❤
ALlright Mike 👍. Good one fellas . As a 52 yr old it s impressive to see a men who has accomplished consistent training day after day , year after year with no injuries or down time . Truly impressive .
I am 41 now and looked better than i did 20 years ago because I am more patient and thoughtful with my workouts. I use 1 working set per NEED! So, top shelf of my chest-1 working set with may be 2 to even 4 feel sets which are great for pumping up before the final failure set, then 1 working set for say side delts, 1 working set for upper back etc This is Dorian's and Mike's philosophy and it works for damn sure. However, recovery factor is an issue, I take enough rest as I feel I need
My recovery does seem like it's longer than it used to be, but the lifts are more intense than they used to be, so I guess that's just the way that goes.
Hey, so I’ve been doing something very similar after training for 10+ years with less intensity, and something I haven’t figured out is rest. I don’t get as sore but I do find it lasts longer, it could take 4 days until I stop feeling a muscle, tho I can train it hard just after two days and it feels fine. Since you mentioned a lot of rest, how long do you take per body part before training it again?
@@Tatutoo Hey there, hope you are well? Men! I go hard on each working set and it takes me the entire week to get rid of soreness. it varies from person to person according to age, what super supplements they are taking, of which I honestly do not take any yet as I do not need TRT just yet. However, It will take a week for me. When your session is done, you will feel fine for 2-3 days, the inflammation subsides, the muscle will lose extra fluid and soreness kicks in, in a few days, the soreness will go but that is because fluid make their way back into the muscle as glycogen stores start getting replaced. Therefore, just because you are not sore, it does not mean your muscles have recovered, fluid hides the soreness. Therefore, a good rule of thumb is once a week if you are natural. I will train 1 upper body and 1 lower body in a week and the next week, I do not go to failure. It is called a deload week. After the deload week, I got to failure again and no failure the following week and so on. People will say, upper body once a week!!! I say yes. You will get super jacked provided each working set per exercise is with proper technique and going all the way to failure.
@@Joe-xo3xy thank you for taking the time to share mate, this was very thoroughly explained and I’ll definitely try waiting 6-7 days before going heavy on the same body parts. I’ve been giving myself 3-4 days regularly after going the heavier/intensity route and getting much better results in all aspects, so I’ll be trying if some more rest works even better. Much appreciated brother!
Jay Cutler and Mike OHearn. And the where discipline, work ethics and the level of Training.. this will probably be one of the Best Teaching level... This should be elementary and built in schools.. all pure building and loving it
Man this interview really changed my perspective. I used to have such a hard working attitude and just focused on crushing. Then I became so hyper focused on being textbook and lost my energy to go to war in the gym! I'm going back to putting in the work and out working everyone else, it's not just about doing the x reps. It's about going hard until there is nothing left, STAY HARD
O'Hearn hit it! The love of training is for the love of self fulfillment and not for fame, money, or compliments from those watching. It's simply for the love of the satisfaction achieved through the grind.
Mike has long preached about warm up sets and when Jay says he hates that term you can see Mike scramble to come up with something diplomatic to keep the conversation moving and not get bogged down in a debate.
He legit liked the "feel set" term. As long as I've watched Mike, He hasn't warmed up with light weight. Usually 1 or 2 reps with decent weight and then worked his way up with limited rep sets.
That's because Mike doesn't have a leg to stand on. You're asking a champion the fucking question. Who the fuck wants advice from Mike anyways? Piece of shit can even be honest with himself. And you expect him to be honest with you? Wake the fuck up,
Absolutely love this dialog, meat & potatoes approach to what it really takes & how to get there... we as humans have a tendency to overcomplicate everything. Thabks guys!!!
Oh yeah. You're going to go through it at 15 up into your early or maybe mid 20's. You're going to think you need to lift heavy to impress and you're going to learn your body. We all go through it :) Don't let others tell you to do the whole ''text book'' way of working out like these 2 have said. Learn and do what feels right for you.
Oh yeah for sure. He carries a lot more muscle than Mike even on TRT. Jay has some of the best genetics on the planet though, and he knows what he's doing big time.
Very interesting interaction. Mike is talking and seemingly listening to Jay but he is also trying to one up Jay too, but Jay isn't having any of it. Jay is a cool dude and i noticed that Jay isn't letting Mike dominate him or influence him in any way at all. It's also interesting to see Mike try to compare himself to Jay with regards to training volumes and mentality etc. Both are very good trainers but training 7 days a week at their stage of life ? Also you'll often hear Mike refering to younger guys in a way that makes him appear to be superior or the teacher to them, but the likes of Jay and Ronnie never do this and are at total ease being around younger trainers. Mike cannot hide the true vibes his energy is giving off here. Mike gives off those gym frenemy vibes, where he is friendly to your face, but you can also sense that he is always competing with you.
incline bench on the smith machine is great, and as you said its easy on the shoulders, i really feel im connecting well with my chest while doing it too
Same. A little trick I use to help me feel it more to is try to pretend I’m trying to bring my hands together towards the center of the bar as I’m pushing up.
Yes!!! Jay Effen Cutler is on the Mike O ' hearn youtube channel its been awhile I like seeing both Jay's and Mike's different individual personalities intertwine in conversation
@samuraiman7777 He does, he appears to have a lot more muscle than Mike. In fact he does have a lot more muscle than Mike. Jay is on TRT these days, and i don't know what Mikes on since he won't talk about like Jay does. Jay does have some of the best genetics ever, so it's not surprising that Jay makes Mike look smaller.
@@beatdown3361 Mike might have more a physique that the average joe would want, but I think it's pretty obvious Jay is definitely carrying a lot more muscle than Mike. He definitely has a better bodybuilding physique right now. Jay just looks crazy. He's close to 250 ripped at 5 9 on TRT. The bicep Jay tore has always looked a bit strange, and has taken symmetry away from his arms for sure. Mike is amazing though for sure, and does some incredible things, but Jay has him in terms of size. Mikes performance though is usually insane, and he can do things that very few people can do, while Jay dosn't train like that lately, or even try to at all. They're both amazing guys.
Jay spot on. You got to LOVE IT . 90% of you guys in america. 90% of y'all in the comment sections making little excuses for yourselves talking about this one's Natty and that one's not Natty and expressing your little fake so called knowledge about "how many reps to do and saying things like theyre definitive facts like you can't get there naturally and blah blah blah". Y'all just go through the motions. In the gym and in life. Yeah yall don't love it.. y'all aren't in it. That's why you always be average.. don't even know why any of y'all are even working out. 😅 You're wasting your time 😅🤦👌
7days a week damn! I do 6days on 1 day off for 12 weeks then 4day on 3 days off for 4 weeks works best for me not just the body but the mental aspect as well. Just what works for me. I believe there is a science to this to a degree but everybody is different and their bodies respond differently. From rep set counts to rest day, recovery, and diet manipulation. We all have to find what works for us in pursuit of our individual goals. A lot of this I take with a grain of salt. I do find some jewels I can extrapolate and apply to my own fitness goals and journey.
I really enjoy the interactions between these two legends. Its a little weird and funny but serious and educational all at the same time. I just wish they would discuss how working out natural vs unnatural differs.
I don't think they can remember how it was before "supplements" TBH. I am still a fan of both but their methods largely don't apply to Men who don't even use
I don't known any natural civilian that has grown trainning seven, six or five days a week. Besides the gear these guys are the elite of the elite of genetics. So keep that in mind
Yeah was about to comment this. If you are natural 7 days a week is to much. I've done 5 and that gets hard to recover from. Plus Jat saying he does 6 exercises and 5 sets each? 30 sets each day and seven days a week. Can't recover from that naturally
@@loganlandis5935 I work 8hs, have a wife and daughter, hence I go two times a week, otherwise it's a wate of time. I go with my brother in law. People come now and then to ask us what are we doing since they see us growing, I almost don't bother telling them anymore, the moment you tell them you go twice a week is like saying you come from Mars. People just don't wanna get it, specially young kids that love to live in the gym every day, hours and hours. A natural lifter, if he trains for real needs a couple days to fully recover, not just from local but systemic fatigue. But people don't wanna hear that, they want the last Cbum trainning split.
i do 6 days ~2 hours per day, usually muscle group stops being sore the day it gets worked again lol. I just eliminated things that felt higher risk, like deadlift and barbell back squat. Swapping them for like rack pull and belt squat. I put on a lot of muscle with first bulk i did last year. went from 195 to 230lbs then down to 213, now i'm going to go up to 250 then down to 220ish. Trying to fill out 6'4 frame is tough, especially since it took me until 30 years old to figure out how to eat enough
@@zomgbbqsauce12345 less is more. Probably had a hard time filling your frame because you are over training. It's not about how often you workout but the quality of your workout. And listening to your body.
@@zomgbbqsauce12345 you are having to compensate for over trainning with over eating. Way too much time in the gym, way too much food. Not practical or eficient. But it's your life and your money.
Thank you very much Mr. O 4 X . You and Mike explained that ver well. Bond with the effort, get in the zone and crush it. Please keep it coming, need all the advice we can get.
listening to your own body, which is not easy. not many can go by feel. thats how i always trained. mike mentzer style is good for me too. more rest, but always always go hard in the gym.
Lol juice or not you still have to earn it these mens discipline to the craft alone is extremely motivating and impressive. But you keep typing in your little keyboard judging others how they live their lives because yours sucks.
I don't "love" training, probably because I do too much of it (12 times a week currently). But at the same time, not being able to train would be one of the worst things that could happen to me, I shudder at the thought. I enjoy the weights when I'm hitting all my numbers and blowing through everything (which is never, lol). The cardio, I'd enjoy it more if I didn't do so much of it. But if I didn't do "so much", I'd get fat, fast.
Cut down what you're eating and you won't have the energy to go so often. 12 times a week is excessive and can be a detriment to your recovery. I train 3, rest one day, rest, train legs, rest - repeat. The three train days I hit chest, back, shoulders an triceps and biceps on chest, back days respectively. Does very very well for me.
Lovely to see jay open up more thougs and theorys about training.. These boys have so much real experiences... Just to take it al 💪.. Be thankful they share it to us 🙏🧙♂️.. Bless You al out there 🌌
These two talking about muscle building process as if they are trying to explain Stephen Hawking's thesis on black holes to a bunch of half-wits. Look, pretty much any bodybuilder of any caliber as well as any recreational lifter understands the basic logic behind muscle building process. You two achieving what you have achieved so far is because of your consistency (which plenty of people have), knowledge (which plenty of people have), hard work (which plenty of people have), strict diet (which plenty of people have), incredible genetics (which most people do not have). Hence the reason why Jay Cutler has been Mr Olympia multiple times. You downplay genetics to elevate your knowledge or consistency as if you are the only ones who posses that. Whereas in reality, genetics is the only factor we have no control over, therefore the one with the best genetics wins, because everything else can be controlled. So there is nothing out there you could say to anyone which would transform them into a Mr Olympia caliber for instance. Just like why Jay Cutler could not win against Ronnie because Ronnie had better genetics, it's as simple as that. Jay did not win, rather Ronnie lost due to age catching up to him. Do you really think Cbum is winning because he has some magical sauce from Canada? Or because he does something others do not do? Or it must be because he trains 12 times per week like Mike does? No, all of them are working just as hard, but in the end, genetics determine the champion.
I wish they would just admit to taking steroids. It would save a lot of impressionable kids from harming themselves and going to an early grave and telling everyone the reason they aren't as ripped as them is because they aren't training right, doing the reps properly, or wait for it "not eating properly"
you guys are explaining things over most people's heads... this is super advanced that most people will only understand with a lot of years of experience. great video and dialog!!
my favourite protein meal are duck eggs
What I love most about this interview ? Jay saying that he still loves bodybuilding and that's why he is still doing it. I can relate.
"What I love most about this interview ?"
Why ask us that as if we could answer what you potentially love or not about an interview?
I feel the same about masturbation.
Still rubbing one out at least once a day.
Mike actually did an interview where he allowed the other person to do most of the talking. Never thought this could happen. Lol.😂😂😂
Dont think he allowed it ! Jay would not put with his bullshit and he knows 😂
Prob cus most the time mike is the person that knows the most . Now he with somebody thats been through the trenches
😂😂😂😅😅😅
Its because Mike has so much stuff injected into his face he’s slurring his words.
Hahaha
I’m 56 now and started training at 14, I can definitely understand what is being said here. I am so much more dialed in. I can now get better results in less time, slightly less weight, better quality reps with less reps between sets. It’s just comes with experience
@@rajkhan9643 😂 I meant rest. I should proof read before sending! Lol
I agree with you. I'm 58, and started lifting at 13. Competed in my younger years. What I know now I wish I knew back then. I had to stop competing due to injuries. But, I still workout regularly.
Exactly 💯 I'm 60 and started at 14 myself
And you leave the ego at the door now
Bro im 39 and this makes me feel good for the future i appreciate it @mannymotta2174
1:17, me acting like i understand what my quantum physics teacher is explaining
😂😂😂
Best comment
1:24
I love it when Mike gets these Olympia guys on his channel, Frank Zane, Jay, those are legendary guys that I have massive respect for. And so does Mike, you can see it while he's talking to those guys.
He techniques that Jays described? Great for guys n GH. Same with Mike Mentzers HIT path. That type of training is for HGH guys. They just want to trash the muscles and feed them GH. Rest of us donthat kinda workouts? Your gonna get serious injuries and end up a 50 old Gimp. You will wreck your joints.
@@cherobinson6371I’ve been bodybuilding since I was 16 and now I’m almost 49 still going strong as ever BECAUSE I’ve followed this type of training (not realizing it until Jay started making these videos). No restrictions. Stay strong 💪
@@cherobinson6371hit is great for nattys
Facts❤🦾💯
Awesome beasts of the bodybuilding platform I love it 🙌🏽💯🤩🦾💖
These guys @ 50+ keep me motivated. Awesome conversation.
Thanks Jay & Mike
Stay positive, I'm 54 and still going stronger than ever!
Both fake nattys...full of sh&t and PEDs...
They are on a bunch of testosterona tho
Always love the Mike and Jay collaborations
I love how Mike tries the start the conversation with a bit of bro-science and Jay just starts telling him what he does.
Mike hypnotized Jay into saying this! LOL This is all stuff Mike says almost word for word!
Jay still looking huge and healthy. This guy knows how to balance life in general!
Yep the total opposite of Ronnie Coleman 😢😢
Lack of "heavy ass weights"
What I got from this conversation. Don’t work out more than you can recover from. Step one learn what you can recover from.
"What I got from this conversation."
That is a strange sentence.
How the hell do you do that?
At almost 50 years old I'm still learning that recovery process for my body as the years go by
Enough food and sleep and you’ll never overwork yourself in the gym. Ask Lee you aren’t going to overtrain you don’t have it in you to overtrain
Man the two of you as training partners would be insane the knowledge you both have is insane between the both of you and different styles and levels my hats off to you guys
They both train differently though. Cutler has short rest periods, and higher reps.
Had an aneurysm trying to read this
@@molasorrosalom4846you obviously don't get the concept of training partners 🤦😅
but both training now for longevity
Love how you guys verbalized it all. Good to know I’m on the right track.
The key is consistency. You don't have to do the same program, same sets or reps every workout. You just have to stimulate the muscles.
Not saying u should drop to 1 set per muscle all of a sudden, but to diversify the training, so u will always have fun doing it.
As long as u keep working out u can maintain a great body as u age.
100 percent great comment and facts
Your last sentence is spot on. I was lucky to be around the people growing up whom I learned training from, I listened to everything they said and grew...the only thing they never told me is what you put into it now (then) will show up later. I'm 40 and in better shape then 99% of the other gym members and apparently everyone at the beach this weekend..if I had known it would carry over I would of gone even harder and got bigger in my 20s. So hopefully this motivates someone somewhere...
Great advice friend 👍
Facts I was in a r 5:04 ut dropped to 3x a week from 5. I'd workout 3 days then take off 4 trash had no progress I'm working out 4 days 2 days on 1 day 2 days 2 days. I've made progress quicker then weeks of 3 days a week
Yep AKA longevity
Two of the people in the world that made a huge impact on my mental and physical life.
Thanks guys, y’all are amazing!
O’hearn gave the problems and Jay fixed em 👍
You joking dude? Mike o Hearn is a straight up liar I lost a lot of respect for him
Two legends from my youth. Thank you gents. For every single word.
gonna be 52 this year. Train 5 days a week. Plus cardio "walking outside/spinning on the bike" 5 days a week. Deadlift 2x a week with my new routine. I have goals to reach still..People either get it,or they run around lost..
Happy early bday, but try training 8 days a week for peak gainzzzz
Mike o tren
I don't necessarily mean this in a bad way, but Mike is probably one of the most clear-cut examples of someone with narcissistic personality disorder that I've ever come across.
Lol
as long as you dont mean it in a bad way
lmfao@@Thomas-su2vk
@@Thomas-su2vk lol
Lmfao 😂😂😂😂😂
Two absolute legends sharing their knowledge. Love it
talk about steroids and other hormones they take..that's their main secret not training.natural people lifting do not look like that
1 legend
@@callum_pherera What talking about? Mike has been natural for his entire career! ;P
@@jimmyjam5453 Naw two legends. One is a legend in his own lifetime and the other is a legend in his own mind!
Mike might be taking stuffs here and there. He is a legend because no one on this planet can match his power and physique at the age of 53! You fools can take all the peds, and i can promise you can never get to his level by the age of 53.
Jay cutler is legend looks fantastic at the age of 50 as does Mike I appreciate their advice as they lead by example we should all aspire to look as good as these two athletes.
@@richardchapman594 Jay is on TRT now for sure. I definitely can believe that. Jay is huge and ripped, but he doesn't have that dryness and vascularity of a steroid user any more at all really. Jay is still bigger and more ripped than most guys competing, which is amazing, but we're talking about some of the worlds best genetics for bodybuilding and lifting weights. Mike I don't know. I don't think Mike has been fully honest, so it's hard to say what he's taking, while Jay has been real honest about his usage. Gear alone doesn't make a person look good anyway. How many people at your local gym are on gear with very little muscle and strength? A ton i'm sure. There are tons of people at my gym on juice who look awful. Genetics is really just so so huge with everything.
the fact that Mike talks like Jay isn't in the room half the time...
Mike's ego just cannot handle Jay's superiority.
They are just talking man not that deep. Unfortunately you cant see that bc you listen to too much coach greg videos
@@MattySOP Coach Greg living rent free in more people's heads than last time!
@@SinisterSkip lol Mike still living rent free in his head.. his cults too!
Mike and Jay have such great chemistry together that they should do a regular thing together.
25 year old natty Mike O' Tren talking to 50 year old 4x Mr. O Jay and telling him how its done!!! 💪🏻
Do you know whats mikes age ?
@@panterastriker he's our favourite 18 year-old natty bodybuilder huehuehue
@@Nonameagain69 dont hearn him no more
@@chadmiesterDonovanbaby don't hurt me
@@panterastriker I think 28
Thank you I will be turning 50 in March and I think I love training today just as much as I did at 19 probably more…It’s not something I can really explain because it’s just in me to want to go to the gym everyday.
JAY IS OLD SCHOOL i remember growing up buying magazines with Jay on the cover, and reading them in hotel rooms on family vacations in florida late into the night, thanks Jay, and Nassir, and Ronnie, and all the old school guys
Bruhhhh lol I distinctly remember going to Florida on vacation with my family I was like 14 and I made sure to pick up a muscle n fitness n then had my Walkman or cd plater I’m the back seat
ive always said, if u know how to recover, if u feel it and are able u can train seven days a week smart, it may not be “optimal”, but everything in training is about the feel, the flow, if u feel it and are getting everything outside the gym locked in, then u will grow going 7 days or 4 a week, i love it too much not to go 7, whether im there 2 hrs of 45 minutes, this video is packed with highlights
Yes,totally,but you will have to cycle the intensity through the week
Well said. My diet, supplement and recovery is all on point so I train 7 days a week too. Of course we need to cycle through intensity periods. If I take a day off it will involve an intense cardio / cycling session.. I love it too much to take a day off and I’ve got the free time to do it everyday ❤
talk about steroids and other hormones they take..that's their main secret not training.natural people lifting do not look like that
ALlright Mike 👍. Good one fellas . As a 52 yr old it s impressive to see a men who has accomplished consistent training day after day , year after year with no injuries or down time . Truly impressive .
I am 41 now and looked better than i did 20 years ago because I am more patient and thoughtful with my workouts. I use 1 working set per NEED! So, top shelf of my chest-1 working set with may be 2 to even 4 feel sets which are great for pumping up before the final failure set, then 1 working set for say side delts, 1 working set for upper back etc This is Dorian's and Mike's philosophy and it works for damn sure. However, recovery factor is an issue, I take enough rest as I feel I need
My recovery does seem like it's longer than it used to be, but the lifts are more intense than they used to be, so I guess that's just the way that goes.
No one cares
Hey, so I’ve been doing something very similar after training for 10+ years with less intensity, and something I haven’t figured out is rest. I don’t get as sore but I do find it lasts longer, it could take 4 days until I stop feeling a muscle, tho I can train it hard just after two days and it feels fine. Since you mentioned a lot of rest, how long do you take per body part before training it again?
@@Tatutoo Hey there, hope you are well? Men! I go hard on each working set and it takes me the entire week to get rid of soreness. it varies from person to person according to age, what super supplements they are taking, of which I honestly do not take any yet as I do not need TRT just yet. However, It will take a week for me. When your session is done, you will feel fine for 2-3 days, the inflammation subsides, the muscle will lose extra fluid and soreness kicks in, in a few days, the soreness will go but that is because fluid make their way back into the muscle as glycogen stores start getting replaced. Therefore, just because you are not sore, it does not mean your muscles have recovered, fluid hides the soreness. Therefore, a good rule of thumb is once a week if you are natural. I will train 1 upper body and 1 lower body in a week and the next week, I do not go to failure. It is called a deload week. After the deload week, I got to failure again and no failure the following week and so on. People will say, upper body once a week!!! I say yes. You will get super jacked provided each working set per exercise is with proper technique and going all the way to failure.
@@Joe-xo3xy thank you for taking the time to share mate, this was very thoroughly explained and I’ll definitely try waiting 6-7 days before going heavy on the same body parts. I’ve been giving myself 3-4 days regularly after going the heavier/intensity route and getting much better results in all aspects, so I’ll be trying if some more rest works even better. Much appreciated brother!
Mike should agree with someone who actually won something and is transparent and honest about his life
I love this. 2 Masters letting me in on their conversation.
King Quad Stomp and Titan Don't Hurt Me giving us the knowledge. I love it
Jay Cutler and Mike OHearn. And the where discipline, work ethics and the level of Training.. this will probably be one of the Best Teaching level... This should be elementary and built in schools.. all pure building and loving it
MIKE STEROIDS O-HERN,,,JAY PEPTIDE CUTLER.
Man this interview really changed my perspective. I used to have such a hard working attitude and just focused on crushing. Then I became so hyper focused on being textbook and lost my energy to go to war in the gym! I'm going back to putting in the work and out working everyone else, it's not just about doing the x reps. It's about going hard until there is nothing left, STAY HARD
O'Hearn hit it! The love of training is for the love of self fulfillment and not for fame, money, or compliments from those watching. It's simply for the love of the satisfaction achieved through the grind.
talk about steroids and other hormones they take..that's their main secret not training.natural people lifting do not look like that
@@callum_phereratrue, but that doesn’t discount the hard work and time it takes to build those types of bodies
Never thought I’d see another Mike o tren and Jay cutler collab again - fantastic!
Tips from the legendary Mr Olympia himself
Of course, you must agree with everything he said!! He is Mr Olympia winer and you are just a UA-camr
The two best naturals of our lifetime 👏
Wtf 😂😂😂
Mike I’d fully natural authentic kated!
Jay right about "when you're an expert it's touch and feel " you can do so much more with less. Let the novice hurt themselves
The key is, you don't want the novice to hurt themselves.
You want to teach the correct form, and to mostly be injury/pain free decades later.
Please talk to him about natural vs enhanced training. As u are natty and he on roids. Would be very helpful having both your insights
I just got done my workout when I came across this video. I love the gems y’all provided !
talk about steroids and other hormones they take..that's their main secret not training.natural people lifting do not look like that
MIKE STEROIDS O-HERN,,,JAY PEPTIDE CUTLER.
@@callum_phererayup
I really loved what jay said at about the two minute mark. About how its not about the weight but about how hard you can contract the fiber
Team Jay Cutler forever😊
What Jay said about “Feel Sets” is absolute gold!
Mike has long preached about warm up sets and when Jay says he hates that term you can see Mike scramble to come up with something diplomatic to keep the conversation moving and not get bogged down in a debate.
He legit liked the "feel set" term. As long as I've watched Mike, He hasn't warmed up with light weight. Usually 1 or 2 reps with decent weight and then worked his way up with limited rep sets.
Jay come across as being a little abrupt and rude there. Mike seemed quite the gentlemen in that instant.
Been waiting for you guys to make videos together! Now we need you all to add Sadik Hadzovik!
baby don't hurt me
Dude, who cares who's who and what's what. Just listen, look and learn.
@@Sam123QU29 bro is a communication specialist 🤓
Well he needs too man jees normally people can't get a word in
nah mikes tellin lies and jays correcting him
That's because Mike doesn't have a leg to stand on. You're asking a champion the fucking question. Who the fuck wants advice from Mike anyways? Piece of shit can even be honest with himself. And you expect him to be honest with you? Wake the fuck up,
5 mins to learn. Lifetime to master. Best part of weights is how you learn along the way.
All about love my dudes
Absolutely love this dialog, meat & potatoes approach to what it really takes & how to get there... we as humans have a tendency to overcomplicate everything. Thabks guys!!!
Always great hearing from these two legends.
1 legend
man great commentary and raw knowledge from two of the greats
talk about steroids and other hormones they take..that's their main secret not training.natural people lifting do not look like that
I used to think Mike was just a meme, but i started listening to his advice, and goddamn he has really good advice.
You're obviously a zoomer born in 2001
he also has some really bad advice too lol. its kind of hit or miss with him
Jay had way better advices
These guys feel great and seem happy. That's what counts.
as a 15 year old bodybuilder this video is very crucial
Oh yeah. You're going to go through it at 15 up into your early or maybe mid 20's. You're going to think you need to lift heavy to impress and you're going to learn your body. We all go through it :) Don't let others tell you to do the whole ''text book'' way of working out like these 2 have said. Learn and do what feels right for you.
ok, this one is two gentleman talking knowledge and find mutual agreements. I love it. Keep it up Mike.
Dare I say Jay is making Mike look small in this video?!?
Kudos to Jay for killing it the past year! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Exactly what I thought. Jay looks huge..
he looks bulgy not fit
Oh yeah for sure. He carries a lot more muscle than Mike even on TRT. Jay has some of the best genetics on the planet though, and he knows what he's doing big time.
Very interesting interaction. Mike is talking and seemingly listening to Jay but he is also trying to one up Jay too, but Jay isn't having any of it. Jay is a cool dude and i noticed that Jay isn't letting Mike dominate him or influence him in any way at all. It's also interesting to see Mike try to compare himself to Jay with regards to training volumes and mentality etc. Both are very good trainers but training 7 days a week at their stage of life ? Also you'll often hear Mike refering to younger guys in a way that makes him appear to be superior or the teacher to them, but the likes of Jay and Ronnie never do this and are at total ease being around younger trainers. Mike cannot hide the true vibes his energy is giving off here. Mike gives off those gym frenemy vibes, where he is friendly to your face, but you can also sense that he is always competing with you.
incline bench on the smith machine is great, and as you said its easy on the shoulders, i really feel im connecting well with my chest while doing it too
I love those every so often
Same. A little trick I use to help me feel it more to is try to pretend I’m trying to bring my hands together towards the center of the bar as I’m pushing up.
I switch off between dumbbells and smith machine. Once I align it correct of course lol
It’s bad for your shoulders over time. It’s locking you in. The shoulders need the ability to be free to a certain degree
@@kalencwil3924 ah. That’s true. Smith machine isn’t the natural movement
8:45 - "The gym was my savior, to keep myself sane."
Amen!!
These two are the legends of contemporary bodybuilding.
Jay doesn't even know how to train lol
@@frblaze24x MR O. Nuff said.
@@elex300 3 grams and ultimate genetics, bruh can't perform a standard bench
@@frblaze2building muscle is about feeling the muscle working and ultimately, breaking fibers. jay does just that. you are a clown
@frblaze2 you don't understand body structures?
Amazing! Thanks Jay, Mike, and production.
This should have been a podcast.
Yes!!! Jay Effen Cutler is on the Mike O ' hearn youtube channel its been awhile I like seeing both Jay's and Mike's different individual personalities intertwine in conversation
Jay is straight beastly for 50.
Insanely strong. Let's just hope his internals are as good tho
O heatn looks more symmetrical. He looks better in my opinion
@samuraiman7777 He does, he appears to have a lot more muscle than Mike. In fact he does have a lot more muscle than Mike. Jay is on TRT these days, and i don't know what Mikes on since he won't talk about like Jay does. Jay does have some of the best genetics ever, so it's not surprising that Jay makes Mike look smaller.
@@beatdown3361 Mike might have more a physique that the average joe would want, but I think it's pretty obvious Jay is definitely carrying a lot more muscle than Mike. He definitely has a better bodybuilding physique right now. Jay just looks crazy. He's close to 250 ripped at 5 9 on TRT. The bicep Jay tore has always looked a bit strange, and has taken symmetry away from his arms for sure. Mike is amazing though for sure, and does some incredible things, but Jay has him in terms of size. Mikes performance though is usually insane, and he can do things that very few people can do, while Jay dosn't train like that lately, or even try to at all. They're both amazing guys.
@beatdown3361 Jay is carrying more muscle but Mike is definitely more conditioned.
Jay spot on. You got to LOVE IT .
90% of you guys in america. 90% of y'all in the comment sections making little excuses for yourselves talking about this one's Natty and that one's not Natty and expressing your little fake so called knowledge about "how many reps to do and saying things like theyre definitive facts like you can't get there naturally and blah blah blah". Y'all just go through the motions. In the gym and in life.
Yeah yall don't love it.. y'all aren't in it.
That's why you always be average.. don't even know why any of y'all are even working out. 😅
You're wasting your time 😅🤦👌
Mike literally has to check himself out in the mirror every 10 seconds 😭
He's a UA-cam bodybuilder sitting next to a Mr Olympia. He better check his position.
Muscle memory!
7days a week damn! I do 6days on 1 day off for 12 weeks then 4day on 3 days off for 4 weeks works best for me not just the body but the mental aspect as well. Just what works for me. I believe there is a science to this to a degree but everybody is different and their bodies respond differently. From rep set counts to rest day, recovery, and diet manipulation. We all have to find what works for us in pursuit of our individual goals. A lot of this I take with a grain of salt. I do find some jewels I can extrapolate and apply to my own fitness goals and journey.
I really enjoy the interactions between these two legends. Its a little weird and funny but serious and educational all at the same time.
I just wish they would discuss how working out natural vs unnatural differs.
I don't think they can remember how it was before "supplements" TBH.
I am still a fan of both but their methods largely don't apply to Men who don't even use
4 time mr. Olympia versus pegasus horse rider.
Lmfao 😂😂😂😂😂😂
I praise the advice Jay gives on us channel also Mike, absolute gold for free we are truly lucky thank you Mike.
I don't known any natural civilian that has grown trainning seven, six or five days a week. Besides the gear these guys are the elite of the elite of genetics. So keep that in mind
Yeah was about to comment this. If you are natural 7 days a week is to much. I've done 5 and that gets hard to recover from. Plus Jat saying he does 6 exercises and 5 sets each? 30 sets each day and seven days a week. Can't recover from that naturally
@@loganlandis5935 I work 8hs, have a wife and daughter, hence I go two times a week, otherwise it's a wate of time. I go with my brother in law. People come now and then to ask us what are we doing since they see us growing, I almost don't bother telling them anymore, the moment you tell them you go twice a week is like saying you come from Mars. People just don't wanna get it, specially young kids that love to live in the gym every day, hours and hours. A natural lifter, if he trains for real needs a couple days to fully recover, not just from local but systemic fatigue. But people don't wanna hear that, they want the last Cbum trainning split.
i do 6 days ~2 hours per day, usually muscle group stops being sore the day it gets worked again lol. I just eliminated things that felt higher risk, like deadlift and barbell back squat. Swapping them for like rack pull and belt squat. I put on a lot of muscle with first bulk i did last year. went from 195 to 230lbs then down to 213, now i'm going to go up to 250 then down to 220ish. Trying to fill out 6'4 frame is tough, especially since it took me until 30 years old to figure out how to eat enough
@@zomgbbqsauce12345 less is more. Probably had a hard time filling your frame because you are over training. It's not about how often you workout but the quality of your workout. And listening to your body.
@@zomgbbqsauce12345 you are having to compensate for over trainning with over eating. Way too much time in the gym, way too much food. Not practical or eficient. But it's your life and your money.
Thank you very much Mr. O 4 X . You and Mike explained that ver well. Bond with the effort, get in the zone and crush it. Please keep it coming, need all the advice we can get.
Its good to see this after the absolute disrespect you showed Jay in your training video with Larry. Good improvement, bud.
listening to your own body, which is not easy. not many can go by feel. thats how i always trained. mike mentzer style is good for me too. more rest, but always always go hard in the gym.
What they failed to mention here is the fact that if you're juiced to the eyeballs it doesn't really matter how you train, it's gonna build muscle....
Lol juice or not you still have to earn it these mens discipline to the craft alone is extremely motivating and impressive. But you keep typing in your little keyboard judging others how they live their lives because yours sucks.
You still have to put in the work, and have diet on point. You can't just run gear and sit on the couch and put on lean muscle. Fact.
This was a great video watching these two talk shop. Thank you.!
I don't "love" training, probably because I do too much of it (12 times a week currently). But at the same time, not being able to train would be one of the worst things that could happen to me, I shudder at the thought. I enjoy the weights when I'm hitting all my numbers and blowing through everything (which is never, lol). The cardio, I'd enjoy it more if I didn't do so much of it. But if I didn't do "so much", I'd get fat, fast.
Cut down what you're eating and you won't have the energy to go so often.
12 times a week is excessive and can be a detriment to your recovery.
I train 3, rest one day, rest, train legs, rest - repeat. The three train days I hit chest, back, shoulders an triceps and biceps on chest, back days respectively.
Does very very well for me.
talk about steroids and other hormones they take..that's their main secret not training.natural people lifting do not look like that
MIKE STEROIDS O-HERN,,,JAY PEPTIDE CUTLER.
Same, I also think if I dont go to gym for like 1-3 days I'm gonna get fat
Two legends. One awesome video.
This is a anabolics anonymous meeting it's therapy for long term abusers 🤣🤣
Charles Glass says the decline press works nearly the whole chest. You need to include the guillotine press to work the "shelf".
My two favorite natties .
Lovely to see jay open up more thougs and theorys about training.. These boys have so much real experiences... Just to take it al 💪.. Be thankful they share it to us 🙏🧙♂️.. Bless You al out there 🌌
These two talking about muscle building process as if they are trying to explain Stephen Hawking's thesis on black holes to a bunch of half-wits. Look, pretty much any bodybuilder of any caliber as well as any recreational lifter understands the basic logic behind muscle building process. You two achieving what you have achieved so far is because of your consistency (which plenty of people have), knowledge (which plenty of people have), hard work (which plenty of people have), strict diet (which plenty of people have), incredible genetics (which most people do not have). Hence the reason why Jay Cutler has been Mr Olympia multiple times. You downplay genetics to elevate your knowledge or consistency as if you are the only ones who posses that. Whereas in reality, genetics is the only factor we have no control over, therefore the one with the best genetics wins, because everything else can be controlled. So there is nothing out there you could say to anyone which would transform them into a Mr Olympia caliber for instance. Just like why Jay Cutler could not win against Ronnie because Ronnie had better genetics, it's as simple as that. Jay did not win, rather Ronnie lost due to age catching up to him. Do you really think Cbum is winning because he has some magical sauce from Canada? Or because he does something others do not do? Or it must be because he trains 12 times per week like Mike does? No, all of them are working just as hard, but in the end, genetics determine the champion.
Don't forget vitamin S
Mike O'Hearn is one of the greatest bodybuilders, and obviously Jay, Mike your channel is fun ❤🎉❤🎉happy Easter mike 🎉
Mike be acting so fake it be awkward as hell lmaao
Jay can smell Mike's ego a mile off.
Jay in great shape😮
Great content, so Inspiring, and most of the things have been discussed, can be so helpfull for our training.
You know what this means?
Mike will be on Jay's podcast and that's gonna be BadAss
Kay just sitting. There looking jacked haha my man
Pearls of wisdom by Jay Cutler in first half of the video regarding reps.
THANKS GUYS!🌅
Man a lot of information, we need more videos like that with Jay Cultler, Larry Wheels, Ronnie Coleman.
Love watching Mike and friends.
Two juiced up guys just having a heart to heart...❤🩹
I wish they would just admit to taking steroids. It would save a lot of impressionable kids from harming themselves and going to an early grave and telling everyone the reason they aren't as ripped as them is because they aren't training right, doing the reps properly, or wait for it "not eating properly"
Why do these champions respect Mike? Cause he is the real deal. They know how dedicated he is and how hard he works everyday.
you guys are explaining things over most people's heads... this is super advanced that most people will only understand with a lot of years of experience. great video and dialog!!
JUST TWO GUYS WHO LOVE GEAR