From now on, I'm gonna ask every indie developer on Kickstarter if they plan to release an OS/2 version of their game. If somebody actually does, I will personally Kickstart whatever ridiculous project they've got going.
So I take it you've played the SNES version of SimCity? There's something so magical about that version. It's one of the most laid back, relaxing gaming experiences I've had. That music, coupled with the shifting of the seasons and the little pixel cars on the streets is the video game equivalent of a warm fire, a blanket, and hot cocoa.
Indeed, every classic desktop interface is. I recommend using Linux if you can get away with it. It's more secure, doesn't spy on you, and offers a variety of superior GUIs.
Ivan Karamazov untill you try to watch a DVD and you end up having to dredge up some obscure file and extremely specific series of commands that inevitably does something like break your mouse drivers.
I just purchased a copy of OS/2 without the name on it, and sold by another company who have the copyright from IBM to use it in their OS. The new version have all of the IBM drivers and those from other companies and runs OS/2, Windows 3.1, PC-Dos, Linux, and other operating systems within OS/2. It gives me the opportunity to run the OS/2 software I have along with Windows 3.1 software.
7:54 probably a bug that caused the SIQ (system input queue) to crash or be hogged. The SIQ was single-threaded so if one process used it and crashed, the keyboard and mouse would still appear to work but no response would be available. The SIQ is why OS2 ultimately flopped. :(
Really great video, as usual ! Like many other folks said here, I can't wait for an in depth review of OS/2. I love those kind of forgotten operating systems !
Isn't it kind of redundant to have an OS/2 version when you can run the DOS version (as far as I know)? How does the DOS version work on OS/2? I'd assume like... the DOS version.... Meaning not terrible.... but awesome....
Oh man, I so love that armchair! If you see it then you already know that it's gonna be a detailed review with boxes/unpackings/historical references! Yay! Also I'm looking forward to watching the OS/2 review (with the inclusion of armchair ofc!). This OS has always eluded me. I heard some references and mentions of it. Some long time ago I even tried installing it but had no luck (I doubt I knew much about computers back then).
Brings back some memories. I don't think I ever played simcity for OS/2, but I certainly put a few hours into playing "Galactic Civilizations". Might even have the CD on that spindle of discs that never made it into the trash. :-)
Sim city classic came preinstalled on my first Packard Bell pc in 1997. Today, I downloaded the original software bundle for that computer and was surprised to find that this game worked on my Windows 10 PC.
OS/2 had some games and would play DOS games well enough. I beta tested Galactic Civilizations for OS/2 and that was quite a game though light on graphics by today's standard.
I do still have my original Simcity copy from 1989.. love the screenshots on the back showing apple, which was black and white. Otherwise, IBM Compatible, Amiga screenshots etc... I never had an OS/2 though, went straight from Commodore 64 to DOS on a 386 sx/16Mhz
My Dad showed me OS/2 Warp when I was like 8. Loved it! Much more stable than Windows, don't know your version though. Here's the thing, running on top of Windows you could seamlessly run Windows applications. Like in my case the german version of SimCity for Win98 (Or so they said) and when the application would fail - wich Win stuff often did - then OS/2 would just say "Sorry, Windows had a problem and crashed" but OS/2 kept running restarting Windows in the background. Aww so advanced *_*
Nice video Clint. A video on OS/2 would be interesting since it's one of those odd OS's that not too many people remember! But I think it's still in use today on some ATMs, for example.
The first version of Galactic Civilizations came out for OS/2 in 1994. I remember reading that Brad Wardell liked the OS/2 it for multi-threading, or something like that. It's probably hard to find, but worth looking for if you are interested in games for OS/2.
OS/2 did not install under an AMD 486DX2/66 - I swapped in an Intel variant and it did install. It then ran under the AMD. Must be a line in the code that parses the CPUID and doesn't let it do its thing.
It always saddened me how atrocious the quality and stability of so many OS/2 ports ended up being. The OS itself is so clean and stable that it seems the ISVs could have done so much better.
I had that. I don't remember it crashing so readily, honestly. And there were a few games out there for OS/2, mostly by Stardock (the ones who do Start10, Fences and the like today.) Avarice was a Myst-like (but, thanks to IBM's "sure we support it - nope..." game support in the Warp era, kind of awful looking) adventure game. Galactic Civilizations I and II started out on OS/2. And they had a very different (far more useful) version of "Object Desktop" (utility wise. It was a must install to me.) IBM basically screwed themselves out of the market by infighting and supporting, then not supporting game developers - as well as, in a way, having DOS and Windows 3.1 support. (Though if the game tried to reach hardware directly, OS/2 would block it.) It kind of had a built in catch-22. Developers (some, at least) said they'd make an OS/2 version if there were more sales - but since the Windows 3.1 or DOS version worked, in many cases, people bought that instead. I really wish it had gotten the attention it deserved. It had some things then Windows still doesn't, and was quite customizable. It just doesn't really support modern hardware. (There's ... ecomstation, I think, that's trying to keep development up, but right now I'd have to ask "why," even though I loved it back in the day.)
I had this game on Apple II, and the only way it would not crash within the first 30 seconds was to turn off natural disasters. The earthquakes and monsters would hit all at once, and there was no way to do anything about it. You had to turn them off and just play in easy mode, if I remember correctly. (It was a LONG time ago. I was probably eleven or twelve at the time.) Maybe I never got it to stop crashing.
Sure it was only 30 discs OS/2 Warp came on? I always recall it being closer to 60. But I had to throw out my copy ages ago. Still regret having to do that
It's pretty simple for sound on OS/2; set up a SoundBlaster 16 and set the multimedia to use a SoundBlaster 16 compatible card. Works on VirtualBox wine; I use the Blue Spine OS/2 Warp Connect CD.
OS/2 never embraced video games and many of the power users turned their nose up at games. But there were games. I still remember the hours spent playing Galactic Civilizations.
OS/2 belongs on a PS/2. I've got a tricked out Model 80 (8580-111) with an AOX McMaster accelerator with an i486DX2-66, M-ACPA/A audio, an XGA-2 video card, and 1.53GB ESDI drive running OS/2 Warp.
OS/2 wasn't unstable. It was better than any consumer Windows version up until XP. What was unstable was SimCity. One game that did run great under OS/2 was Galactic Civilization.
Windows don't maximize on OS/2? Anyway, graphics are much better than the DOS version I used to play. And there's only one way to crash the DOS version of SC2000, I assume you already know which is it... :-)
I used to like making small but profitable cities in Simcity Classic, setting autobudget and letting it run all night, and saving the file the next day. Then I'd convert it to sc2 and have a small city starting off with a couple billion bucks to spend. And nuclear power plants in 1900.
OS/2 is like a mythical creature to me - back in the early 90's when I was getting into PC gaming thanks to magazines such as PC Gamer (UK) and PC Review, OS/2 got quite a lot of coverage but I never actually saw it in action. It was meant to replace DOS before Windows 3.1 even came along. Microsoft basically went their own way and used what they learned from OS/2 to make Windows. While IBM was busy trying to get OS/2 to break through, Microsoft was just raking in the money.
Yes please do an OS/2 Warp video, and I have the blue version of Warp with the CD plus floppies, I have no use for it, so if you want it for review let me know, and I'll send it too ya.
The Sim City game sounded as if it was a bootleg for OS/2 that got its code changed in order to work with the system. That and it's stability issues almost gave it the quality of those counterfeit games you would get at a flea market that have shoddy quality diskettes. Unfortunately, this game looks genuine for that sticker has some sort of reflective glow that many genuine products tend to have (unless the seller gave you just the jewel case and slipped in a counterfeit version of Sim City) and the box does not look like it came out from a photo scanner with the text all wonky and sloppy looking as well as the game having actual manuals *and* a registration card/promotions ( most counterfeit games either don't come with manuals or they have shoddly slapped together ones and nothing else.) which says how badly done this port is.
OS/2 2.1 and Warp rocked! It's really too bad Windows 95 won out. It took until XP before there was a consumer version of Windows that was as stable as OS/2.
did you ever play the "enhanced" DOS version? I think it was the final and best version (in my opinion, that is). Especially with all the "peeks" and silly videos.
From now on, I'm gonna ask every indie developer on Kickstarter if they plan to release an OS/2 version of their game. If somebody actually does, I will personally Kickstart whatever ridiculous project they've got going.
Then you'll just get developers who promise to make an OS/2 version for your support, then never follow through.
@@U014B pretty much every other moneygrab I mean Kickstarter
Those OS/2 sound effects are amazing. VWOOP!
So I take it you've played the SNES version of SimCity? There's something so magical about that version. It's one of the most laid back, relaxing gaming experiences I've had. That music, coupled with the shifting of the seasons and the little pixel cars on the streets is the video game equivalent of a warm fire, a blanket, and hot cocoa.
So glad to see you using real Hardware for OS/2 I still use OS/2 Warp in 2014 :) QC
@Billa Bljd Fun fact: The commenter is still active on this channel
OS/2 looks much more user-friendly than Windows 8
True.
Indeed, every classic desktop interface is. I recommend using Linux if you can get away with it. It's more secure, doesn't spy on you, and offers a variety of superior GUIs.
Ivan Karamazov so is os2
Ivan Karamazov untill you try to watch a DVD and you end up having to dredge up some obscure file and extremely specific series of commands that inevitably does something like break your mouse drivers.
os/2 looks much more user-friendly than windows 10
I just purchased a copy of OS/2 without the name on it, and sold by another company who have the copyright from IBM to use it in their OS. The new version have all of the IBM drivers and those from other companies and runs OS/2, Windows 3.1, PC-Dos, Linux, and other operating systems within OS/2. It gives me the opportunity to run the OS/2 software I have along with Windows 3.1 software.
7:54 probably a bug that caused the SIQ (system input queue) to crash or be hogged. The SIQ was single-threaded so if one process used it and crashed, the keyboard and mouse would still appear to work but no response would be available. The SIQ is why OS2 ultimately flopped. :(
Really great video, as usual ! Like many other folks said here, I can't wait for an in depth review of OS/2. I love those kind of forgotten operating systems !
Isn't it kind of redundant to have an OS/2 version when you can run the DOS version (as far as I know)? How does the DOS version work on OS/2? I'd assume like... the DOS version.... Meaning not terrible.... but awesome....
OS/2 was heavily used in the banking industry. As of 2005, half of all Diebold ATMs were still running OS/2.
:) I was an OS/2 user, still have a few copies of it. It was a great time.
The only bad thing about this video is that it's not titled "LGR - OS/2 Overview". Looking forward to that. :D
Oh man, I so love that armchair! If you see it then you already know that it's gonna be a detailed review with boxes/unpackings/historical references! Yay!
Also I'm looking forward to watching the OS/2 review (with the inclusion of armchair ofc!). This OS has always eluded me. I heard some references and mentions of it. Some long time ago I even tried installing it but had no luck (I doubt I knew much about computers back then).
omg i need this os/2 rocks and I miss cim city
Did you ever make a more in-depth video on OS/2? (Too lazy to check)
RubensMCVids - Minecraft, games, vlogs and more Yes, but I'm too lazy to attend to your laziness with a link.
Lazy Game Reviews Well, then I have to look it up whenever I get near a computer (and I'm totally too lazy to look for one)
RubensMCVids - Minecraft, games, vlogs and more What did he wrote up there... I'm to lazy to check...
Sinan Ziric PRO I'm too lazy to give you a decent reply
+Lazy Game Reviews let me guess it was your tech tales video.
Brings back some memories. I don't think I ever played simcity for OS/2, but I certainly put a few hours into playing "Galactic Civilizations". Might even have the CD on that spindle of discs that never made it into the trash. :-)
Sim city classic came preinstalled on my first Packard Bell pc in 1997. Today, I downloaded the original software bundle for that computer and was surprised to find that this game worked on my Windows 10 PC.
Thanks! Brings back memories for sure...
I would suggest seeing the old computer chronicle episodes on OS/2
Your videos are always appreciated. Good stuff.
I'd absolutely love to see that OS/2 video you talked about. Love all your videos.Keep up the good work (or lack thereof lol)
OS/2 had some games and would play DOS games well enough. I beta tested Galactic Civilizations for OS/2 and that was quite a game though light on graphics by today's standard.
I do still have my original Simcity copy from 1989.. love the screenshots on the back showing apple, which was black and white. Otherwise, IBM Compatible, Amiga screenshots etc... I never had an OS/2 though, went straight from Commodore 64 to DOS on a 386 sx/16Mhz
My Dad showed me OS/2 Warp when I was like 8. Loved it! Much more stable than Windows, don't know your version though. Here's the thing, running on top of Windows you could seamlessly run Windows applications. Like in my case the german version of SimCity for Win98 (Or so they said) and when the application would fail - wich Win stuff often did - then OS/2 would just say "Sorry, Windows had a problem and crashed" but OS/2 kept running restarting Windows in the background. Aww so advanced *_*
Nice video Clint. A video on OS/2 would be interesting since it's one of those odd OS's that not too many people remember! But I think it's still in use today on some ATMs, for example.
The first version of Galactic Civilizations came out for OS/2 in 1994. I remember reading that Brad Wardell liked the OS/2 it for multi-threading, or something like that. It's probably hard to find, but worth looking for if you are interested in games for OS/2.
I loved playing that game. My first introduction to a sims game.
Really looking forward to the OS/2 episode!
Awesome! I'm excited. Can't wait to get my hands on a copy.
OS/2 did not install under an AMD 486DX2/66 - I swapped in an Intel variant and it did install.
It then ran under the AMD. Must be a line in the code that parses the CPUID and doesn't let it do its thing.
Would you please do a video or two on OS/2 Warp and installing it. I've got an old ThinkPad that I would like to try installing it onto.
Yup! I came here for some OS/2 .. UA-cam needs a decent review of that system.
Will be waiting for your review of it mate! :-)
I love those sound effects.
It always saddened me how atrocious the quality and stability of so many OS/2 ports ended up being. The OS itself is so clean and stable that it seems the ISVs could have done so much better.
They did for business stuff. Games and entertainment suffered.
SimCIty: great game
OS/2: great OS
90s: great time
LGR: great reviews
I had that. I don't remember it crashing so readily, honestly. And there were a few games out there for OS/2, mostly by Stardock (the ones who do Start10, Fences and the like today.) Avarice was a Myst-like (but, thanks to IBM's "sure we support it - nope..." game support in the Warp era, kind of awful looking) adventure game. Galactic Civilizations I and II started out on OS/2. And they had a very different (far more useful) version of "Object Desktop" (utility wise. It was a must install to me.) IBM basically screwed themselves out of the market by infighting and supporting, then not supporting game developers - as well as, in a way, having DOS and Windows 3.1 support. (Though if the game tried to reach hardware directly, OS/2 would block it.)
It kind of had a built in catch-22. Developers (some, at least) said they'd make an OS/2 version if there were more sales - but since the Windows 3.1 or DOS version worked, in many cases, people bought that instead.
I really wish it had gotten the attention it deserved. It had some things then Windows still doesn't, and was quite customizable. It just doesn't really support modern hardware. (There's ... ecomstation, I think, that's trying to keep development up, but right now I'd have to ask "why," even though I loved it back in the day.)
Stardock (Galactic Civilizations, Sins of a Solar Empire) got its start on OS/2. Galactic Civilizations was originally an OS/2 exclusive.
Nice vid, O/S 2 Wrap is still used by some major companys even today
Best rainy day videos
yes, please do, this intrigues me, since ive only heard vague rumors about it back in the day.
Nobody:
Clint: Did you know you can play SimCity on an ATM?
I had this game on Apple II, and the only way it would not crash within the first 30 seconds was to turn off natural disasters. The earthquakes and monsters would hit all at once, and there was no way to do anything about it. You had to turn them off and just play in easy mode, if I remember correctly. (It was a LONG time ago. I was probably eleven or twelve at the time.) Maybe I never got it to stop crashing.
I won't ruin it for everyone else - the "hospital, church, appartments" bit was hilarious xD
Sure it was only 30 discs OS/2 Warp came on? I always recall it being closer to 60. But I had to throw out my copy ages ago. Still regret having to do that
Yay! Now this is the SimCity I remember rofl
Are you going to be reviewing the Diesel stuff pack ?? And could you do like a tour of your house to show all the stuff you have :) ?
I love that version, too bad I lost it when I was 5.
It's pretty simple for sound on OS/2; set up a SoundBlaster 16 and set the multimedia to use a SoundBlaster 16 compatible card.
Works on VirtualBox wine; I use the Blue Spine OS/2 Warp Connect CD.
And now I want to go get OS/2 to mess around with. I like playing around with odd Operating Systems.
Cool beans.
Do you have any plans to review some more old computers? I love those videos.
OS/2 never embraced video games and many of the power users turned their nose up at games. But there were games. I still remember the hours spent playing Galactic Civilizations.
What do you mean! As James Rolfe has shown, cutting to your face coupled with yelling is the surefire way to internet gold.
How well does OS/2 3.0 work for playing DOS games?
Clint, will you ever go back and do that OS/2 video?
It ran Windows apps better than Windows, mainly because Windows ran on top of DOS, while the Windows emulator for OS/2 ran on top of OS/2.
Does os/2 and simcity classic work with IBM 5150?
+brey live c No chance. SCC needs OS/2 2.11, and that needs a 386SX at least.
***** dangit
When are you, going to put up the reveiw for the Diesel Stuff Pack.
OS/2 belongs on a PS/2. I've got a tricked out Model 80 (8580-111) with an AOX McMaster accelerator with an i486DX2-66, M-ACPA/A audio, an XGA-2 video card, and 1.53GB ESDI drive running OS/2 Warp.
OS/2 wasn't unstable. It was better than any consumer Windows version up until XP. What was unstable was SimCity. One game that did run great under OS/2 was Galactic Civilization.
those nasty appartment buildings!
I had this for my ZX Spectrum, Atari ST, Palm IIIx and the PC :-)
Windows don't maximize on OS/2? Anyway, graphics are much better than the DOS version I used to play. And there's only one way to crash the DOS version of SC2000, I assume you already know which is it... :-)
how do you crash the dos version of SimCity Classic?
I misread sorry, I meant SimCity 2000.
@phreakindee will you be getting the new SC?
I used to like making small but profitable cities in Simcity Classic, setting autobudget and letting it run all night, and saving the file the next day. Then I'd convert it to sc2 and have a small city starting off with a couple billion bucks to spend. And nuclear power plants in 1900.
Is that a Mac Plus in the background at the beginning?
Ahh OS/2 the best things to come from you was Windows and PS/2 ports.
Great review
OS/2 is like a mythical creature to me - back in the early 90's when I was getting into PC gaming thanks to magazines such as PC Gamer (UK) and PC Review, OS/2 got quite a lot of coverage but I never actually saw it in action.
It was meant to replace DOS before Windows 3.1 even came along. Microsoft basically went their own way and used what they learned from OS/2 to make Windows. While IBM was busy trying to get OS/2 to break through, Microsoft was just raking in the money.
I recommend trying OS/2 in VirtualBox or Parallels Workstation and see if its not more stable there.
I love this game!!!
My dad gave me the version released by Interplay when he was getting rid of some stuff sadly I couldn't run it with dosbox.
How couldn't someone be? Good all around!
What are you using as a KVM switch ? or is it something else ?
"I ain't afraid of no quake" ...
BTW, on the OS/2.. are those sci/fi sounds standard on it? Or did you add those? XD
Yo phreakindee have you ever played Sim Copter? Great review btw
Yes please do an OS/2 Warp video, and I have the blue version of Warp with the CD plus floppies, I have no use for it, so if you want it for review let me know, and I'll send it too ya.
SC2K needs OS/2 Warp4 ?
If I ever make a Hollywood sci fi movie, all of the computer screens will be running future versions of OS/2.
This is a little far in the future, but are you intending on getting the new Simcity when it's released?
I've never played sim city but why do they give you the option to destroy your city? Is it just for fun or is there a strategic element to it?
Dux is latin for Leader from the perfect 'Ducere, to lead'; it's where we get Duke from in English.
Clint is actually real young. He just turned 14 last month.
Even your furniture is oldschool! XD
The Sim City game sounded as if it was a bootleg for OS/2 that got its code changed in order to work with the system. That and it's stability issues almost gave it the quality of those counterfeit games you would get at a flea market that have shoddy quality diskettes.
Unfortunately, this game looks genuine for that sticker has some sort of reflective glow that many genuine products tend to have (unless the seller gave you just the jewel case and slipped in a counterfeit version of Sim City) and the box does not look like it came out from a photo scanner with the text all wonky and sloppy looking as well as the game having actual manuals *and* a registration card/promotions ( most counterfeit games either don't come with manuals or they have shoddly slapped together ones and nothing else.) which says how badly done this port is.
OS/2 was pain to install, but was a very good OS. It beat the pants of Windows, even NT.
What program do you use to record your voice?
Are you going to do your opions on SimCity?
If you get the chance, could you review one of the early "tycoon" games, like zoo tycoon or mall tycoon? That would be awesome :)
OS/2 2.1 and Warp rocked! It's really too bad Windows 95 won out. It took until XP before there was a consumer version of Windows that was as stable as OS/2.
DUX made this port for OS/2. :) DUX is the name of the Farfetch'd you get in a trade in Gen 1. :)
Perhaps, but... their logo is a duck.
You have a kick ass mic.
did you ever play the "enhanced" DOS version? I think it was the final and best version (in my opinion, that is). Especially with all the "peeks" and silly videos.
"Suck it hospital...Die church" Phil's inner Duke Nukem let loose!
Mine's version 2.7. And Simcity 2000 Doesn't seem to crash on me.
Still waiting for sims 2 reviewsss >:D
You should review os2!
The UI of this OS is like halfway between Windows 3 and Workbench 3.
I think the music sounds nice.
can't run os2 in a virtual box?