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I think this video was a miss step
she was in a band before going solo was call zero 7
Whoever you are, Deep Dive, there is something seriously wrong with you.
Aaaand just like that. Self anointed representatives of the autistic “community” make autistic people look petty and jealous.
That's why I say never let the shiny pretty yhings blind you always get that's sh.. in writing and have a really good lawyer....
That's what's so perplexing about Sia's relationship with Maddie. She found fame suffocating and terrifying but she put a child, who she claims to love, in the firing line in her place.
Sia shied away from the limelight. Maddie was raised to desire and deal with it. Sia found someone who wanted and was trained to do what she didn't want to do. And Maddie is incredibly talented, and got to further her art. I see it as an excellent match.
One of them wants to be in the spotlight, the other one doesn't. As the other comment stated, they are an excellent match.
@@aileenhampton6911 What makes you think Maddie, at 14, was 'trained' to deal with suffocating and terrifying relationships? Get real.
Well Maddie wanted fame whatsoever. You think her mother would say no?
What I have problem with is, this seems like grooming. Proper grooming
As an autistic person, I really don’t fault Maddie at all. She was so manipulated and groomed by multiple trusted adults. I hope that she is able to unpack how she was treated growing up and is able to become her own happy and healthy person
Gotta cancel Daniel day lewis, Leo DiCaprio, juiliette Lewis..... I mean Google. Cancel everyone.
@@knabdank-someone who most definitely doesnt have autism or any kind of mental disability
exactly! its not the first time its ever happened yet people are acting like it is@@melissaelliott2966
@@knabdanknah dude you’re just ableist because that movie wasn’t accurate to autistic people and had problematic information in it.
@@knabdankit is. But I dont blame maddie.
I'm autistic and listen 99% of the autistic community does NOT blame maddie
The only people who would even think to blame Maddie are probably children themselves. But every adult knows that when you are 14, there are adults whose vision you fully trust because they are the ones with experience in the field. Fellow 14 year olds don’t realise the difference in power, so they think Maddie is at fault. Adults know who pulled the strings.
The role was moat likey pushed on her
💯!!
Yeah, I hardly even hear Maddie's name brought up when people talk about the movie. Everyone just talks about Sia. When I think of that movie, I think Sia.
Exactly! I'm autistic too and I totally understand that she was pressured into the role, which she only got because of blatant cronyism on Sia's part, and it was very clear that she was uncomfortable with the role and hated it. Sia was the one who directed the movie and pushed her into the role.
The fact Sia says “I just keep writing projects for her so that I can keep her safe” when she’s not kept her safe at all, she’s exploited her and made her play controversial roles that she herself wasn’t comfortable with, opening her up to all kinds of criticism. Sia herself has said she’s found fame difficult and terrifying yet has put Maddie in these difficult situations.
Idk what video you watched.....but Sia did not exploit Maddy...... she protected her..... if anybody exploited Maddie and manipulated her and put her in bad situations it was her own mother I'm not Sia get a clue!
@@tracyclark978tell me you can't see mental abuse by a famous person without telling me...... yes sir did put an 11 year old in bad situations. She didn't protect her, she put her in the limelight that in turn could have turned Maddie to drugs and other things, thank God Maddie has a brain and sees it now
@@chelly30580 you are definitely delulu. Sia gave Maddie a chance to become a bigger star.
@Mikeyvn just like pdiddy did with usher and Bieber and countless others, right????? If you don't see someone in their 20s and 30s taking on an 11,12,13,14 yr old as a friend and confident as wrong YOU'RE DELULU.
@@Mikeyvn, you are the one who is in fact delusional. Did you not watch the video..? That is literally what the video is explaining..
Maddie's career is so far from over. People aren't stupid. It is clear to all of us with common sense that Maddie was just the actor, and as an actor her job was to act the way the director (Sia) told her to. It reflects on Sia's bad judgment, not on Maddie's.
@Thenoobestgirl Poor Maddie she's never really had her own feelings validated - her instinct kicked in when she cried thinking her movements etc didn't feel right to her. Children are all about sensing things and she was so right, yeah I agree I think she'll be okay, though she still has Sia & the mom in her life.. Ugh
Unfortunately not everyone is so rational and willing to look into issues before reaching conclusions. But yea, I hope you are right. I feel so bad for the girl. She's had nothing but terrible role models all the way through, and she still seems like a genuinely caring girl.
Sis is an amazing person, artist, and woman! Sis has done a lot of really amazing things for the less fortunate and I don’t believe she was being manipulative o meant ANY harm. You can literally force an agenda to make ANYONE look like a terrible person! I believe that is what this video has done
That’s why you have parents TO PROTECT YOU!!
Wtf are you smoking? Maddie is an incredible dancer
its just so weird how sia basically turned maddie into her own synthetic daughter, like its almost as if she's a doll and a possession that only sia can have
If you knew Sia's ideological leanings in terms of 12 step, you'd understand why she percieves her world through a multitude of cognitively distorted lenses. I mean, that ish will fk you up...unless it doesn't, which means you were already a lost cause before you even "arrived."
@@avamasqueradewdym by 12 steps
@@avamasqueradethat's fascinating, say more. I assume by 12 steps you're referring to AA? I don't know a lot about AA, just what you see in movies and TV. Im interested in this take.
@@banquetoftheleviathan1404 God, give us the serenity to accept what cannot be changed, the courage to change what can be changed, and the wisdom to know the one from the other.
I think sia see a lot in Matty as Sia was sexual abused as I child and he'd her childhood robbed. Sia also has cptsd.
it's actually baffling how people could SEE the years of psychological abuse that Maddie endured on dance moms, SEE the clearly weird relationship the adults around her built for her and STILL have the AUDACITY to blame her. I hope she can heal and find her place in this world❤
Good old Hollywood ~
Maddie had thick skin and a very mature personality. She knew she wasn't a victim. She had her eye on the bigger prize, so did her mom. And it was very successful. She's nobody's victim. She's a volunteer!! She's wanted to perform professionally and enduring Abby's rough handling got her there. Today she's a very successful dancer, actress and celebrity. She owes alot of that to Abby. Maddie is a great example of how to get your child noticed IN A HEALTHY WAY!
Dance moms should have all been in jail for child abuse.
What people?
why do you assume everyone knows the entire biography of maddie. I didn’t know anything about maddie when that movie came out so yeah it was kind of weird. With context; it’s understandable. Not all of us are obsessed with the lives of random celebrities tho
As an autistic person, autism IS a disability for me. "special abilities" denies that in our currect society, I can't do what I need to do to live life normally.
I find this confusing too! I saw, on UA-cam, a family responding to bullying from the deaf community for getting their child a hearing aide!!! The kid has a chiice to wear them or not and puts them on and off as he likes. Yet still, several of them were saying, "you're treating him like being deaf is a disability"... ummm... news flash, IT IS!! Have you ever met anyone who wishes they were born deaf, or who is hanging for their child to be born deaf? It's even a darn safety issue! I couldn't believe what I was reading!
@@kayhollings1777 @@kayhollings1777 I will say the Deaf community is indeed something veru different. I recommend checking out some arguments they have for/against cochlear implants for babies. I can't have an opinion either way, but they have entire schools by and for Deaf folks, their support systems are different.
I think the main thing is when these hearing parents don't allow their deaf child access to the Deaf community, it's practically a different culture they would be deprived of.
It’s stupid how people take away from what autistic people can go through just because they don’t want to be labeled as disabled. Instead of trying to wrongly change the meaning of autism they should change their views on the word ‘disability’, and that it’s ok to have one.
Yeah it's cool that I can make phenomenal D&D maps but I'd like to be able to like, call an office and set up an appointment for something.
As someone who is both autistic, and Native American nothing makes me angrier than when something about me I have no control over is fetishized.
Personally, I find the Elastic Heart video to be a wonderful piece of performative art. Like it really was powerful. The part I find disturbing was Sia using Maddie as her public stand in at events and shows. That level of codependency on a kid and placing pressure on her instead of yourself is kinda wrong.
Used her like a prop basically.
I agree about "Elastic Heart." I thought it was supposed to be representative of a daughter (mentally) wrestling with their feelings toward/relationship with, and eventual escape from, an abusive father.
I thought the silly faces Shia was pulling and "play" at the start of the video was specifically part of establishing that he was supposed to be Dad, and Maddie was depicting how hard it can be to disconnect from that relationship and the reactions children receive when they try. (Even the title -- "Elastic Heart" -- seemed an obvious fit, to me.) I remember finishing the video and feeling really impressed with the way everything was clearly choreographed to make sure that all of their partner work wasn't even unintentionally inappropriate (e.g. he lifts her up by the waist and spins her around at one point, and the shot is exclusively framed to show his head only ever level with her midsection _and_ that he is holding her several inches away). I had also interpreted there to be allusions to Dad being physically inappropriate (for example, when Dad is hanging at the top of the cage until Daughter 'falls asleep,' then he drops down and lies beside her, reaches out to tap her chin, and she 'wakes' and bolts away), but even _that_ was staged so that he hardly crouched at all when catching himself from the drop -- keeping him well above Maddie -- and laid facing her in a mirrored fetal position with at least a foot of distance between them. Needless to say, I was pretty surprised by the backlash, because it seemed so clear to me that they'd gone out of their way to be appropriate in the depiction, and specifically protective of Maddie in the choreography.
And yes, the worst part about Sia's relationship with Maddie is that Sia only needed to hire a proxy for _Chandelier_ in the first place because fame and spotlight had made her suicidal, so... she chose a _child_ to channel that onto?
@@jacksyoutubechannel4045 yeah that last part definitely hit the nail on the head
@@jacksyoutubechannel4045 I agree with your points about it being a beautiful video and for me the choreography was absolutely spellbinding. The skin tight/revealing flesh colored costumes were what gave me the ick as it felt like they were aiming to imply nudity. I don't think that added to the video in an artistic sense and I'm sure whatever emotion it was supposed to invoke could have been represented in a more appropriate way that wouldn't tantalize/normalize for some twisted people so much skin to skin contact between a child and a grown man. If anything it distracted me from the choreography on the first watch because the whole time I was on edge wondering how far they would go with it
@@Steph-zo5zk It's definitely possible I'm biased from years of ballet (and other dance, but ballet primarily). Nude dancewear is often used when a piece is supposed to be more metaphorical, so nothing about the clothing improperly affects the audience's interpretation or distracts from the performance, but I understand how it could come across differently. And, believe it or not, Shia's costume was one of the "green flags" about the video for me, because it's very modest, in comparison to other male dancewear. They would've had to go out of their way to design or select something that didn't highlight the crotch (a sign they cared about making sure that didn't happen), _and_ he's probably wearing a compression-type something underneath. (But I do appreciate that I only noticed that because it was different from what I was used to seeing as a student and in performance.)
Everyone was living through her. From Sia, all the way to her mother. She kinda had the life they all probably wanted for themselves, a pretty face, very talented and acclaimed by everyone. The question is: is this what MADDIE wanted? It was always about everyone else BUT her, Abby was living throigh her, Melissa was living through her and then Sia. She had a very weird relationship with every adult she had in her life and this was probably because nobody was ever there to actually protect her as a child. Not only that but it's weird how Sia never wanted fame because she found it oppressing or whatever but she put a 12 year old in such danger.
Exactly.
This 1000%
With Maddie's mother ultimately enabling it 😞
I completely agree. In addition to living vicariously through Maddie, all of those women were financially profiting off of her.
Yep they also all had really weird inappropriate interactions with her
the only way i’ve heard of sia actually protecting maddie is when she stopped maddie from getting on a private plane with harvey weinstein. other than that, sia has put maddie into the spotlight that she herself found to be really damaging. it seems like a lot of celebrities with kids nowadays are keeping their kids’s lives very private because they know how damaging it can be. it seems like sia sees maddie as an extension of herself and wants to live through her rather than how an actual parent-child relationship should be
What. the ACTUAL. Fvck. I feel so fvcking back for Maddie, and quite frankly, protecting her from one of the industries biggest pdf file is...the least one can do. I can't wait till she finally gets out of that toxic environment and drops the whole story and calls all these women out!
The thing is she is not a parent so her extreme obsession with her is weird.... No adult should want to have such a relationship with someone else's child... It is so weird...
I only have one comment about the Elastic Heart video: a lot of people want to portray it as a pedophilic or creepy, as if Shia and Maddie are supposed to be portraying some kind of romance. But the song is actually about Sia and her troubled relationship with her alcoholic father. Shia is supposed to be representing her father and Maddie is her - the "strong wolf". The dance represents the complicated, sad relationship Sia has with her dad - how she tried to help him and he stayed behind. When I watched the video, that fight was what I saw. I'm sad so many people think it was pedophilia :/
I can see why you think it’s beautiful but personally their clothes make me uncomfortable
Right. It represents the push and pull of inward mental illnessess.
@Missyisboredandlazy it's neutral. She wanted the attention to be on the dance
@@Missyisboredi was thinking the same thing.. like wear clothes. The dance was beautiful but the being pretty much naked.. no
@@Kellylynn_that was t dancing imo
Her career isn't ruined, I believe Maddie will continue to thrive as she heals and finds who she wants to be and not who the world expects her to be.
Yeah, she just needs to get away from Sia. She was in the Fallout with Jenna Ortega, which I haven’t seen but have heard was a great film. She also had a small role in the remake of West Side Story by Steven Spielberg as one of the Jet girls and she was great!
I fact that sia saw fame as a prison but made a child visually take her place is such a huge red flag. She had no problem putting a literal children through the hell she couldn’t even handle herself. Just despicable
Lol it's not like Maddie was suddenly thrust into fame because of Sia. Maddie's face was already out there. She'd been on Dance Moms for years, so clearly she had no problem being in the spotlight.
Well, from that point of view the responsability is from the parents, the girl was exposed since se was very young ..she wanted to continiou the a carreer, she is persuing That.
@@Nalijay something she also couldn't consent to.
Yes... and you know every pedo has Chandelier in their favorites.
How do you know? Citations please.@@alexs.5871
Hold up. She hangs out at Sia's house and they "cuddle" and "are like sisters"? Didn't Michael Jackson do the same sort of things and everyone was upset about it?
OK it is kinda weird but not near as weird as Michael Jackson and that IDK why but it just is that way
@@SILLY_GOOSE. why is it "not as weird"?
If a woman is doing the same thing a man did, it is just as weird and just as wrong. The gender doesn't matter. Wrong is wrong.
Being a woman doesn't excuse crap behavior.
@@ZeroF0Xgiven Ik I’m not justifying it it’s still weird but Michael Jackson did that to multiple boys not just one
@@SILLY_GOOSE. One is the most important number to the person this crap happens to. One is too many.
I know this is old but No micheal Jackson didn’t do that at all, it was confirmed by investigators years later and the kids themselves that they were asked to lie by their parents for money and such and the investigations were done for over five years and they didn’t find anything, meanwhile there’s actual pedos in Hollywood, just thought I’d let you know that it’s false
The fact that Sia - a grown woman- didn’t want to be in the spotlight because she knew all the horrible things that come with it put Maddie - a child - in the crossfire instead is messed up. It’s like she used Maddie as her avatar or something. A psychologist should probably analyze this.
If Maddie didn't take the gig, Sia would have no trouble finding another performer who was dying for an opportunity
I've been rewatching dance moms lately, and it's so sad seeing how there was seemingly not a single adult in her life that ever treated her like a child. Her mom, Abby, and Sia all had this bizarre codependency with Maddy and treated her like an adult even when she was a very small child. Watching the show and seeing her mom call her a perfectionist at 7 or 8 years old alone gave me the ick as if it just seemed like she and Abby decided that Maddy was this type A perfectionist, future star, mature-for-her-age person when she was just a little girl. I don't think she ever got the chance to just be a kid without worrying about how her actions would impact the emotional states of adults around her.
They all adultified her. That's one of the worst thing you can do to a kid.
I know. Exactly.
Fr, they called her a perfectionist because that's what they wanted her to be and pressured her to be.
well put
Wow, that would actually be harder for me to watch than a horror movie.
I get the strong impression tat Sia sees Maddie as the girl she always wanted to be. It's a serious psychological issue that needs to be dealt with. It is NOT merely 'eccentricity'.
Michael Jackson syndrome.
Isn't it Pedophilia to enjoy having little kids, that are not your own children, to "cuddle"? Personally I wouldn't "cuddle" with my own child, and I'm very focused on giving my own child a lot of love, hugs, kisses on the cheeks and building him up with positive words. I love to see him happy. But if some random pop star ten times his age had done something like that, I would be in danger of losing all rational control. So yes, MJ syndrome. Seems like some person just "rent out" their children, if they get enough money for it. Very sad, but I think also true.
Just like the dance moms living vicariously through their daughters.
@@elvenkind6072 People like you are a real problem. Seeing bad things and fires when there is not even a little smoke. People like you ruin other's people lives for shit... Cringe...
@@elvenkind6072 You wouldn't cuddle your own kid, that's fucked up, what is wrong with you people, why are you sexualizing kids every chance you get, it's really bizarre, obviously you wouldn't go up to a stranger, kid or otherwise and give them a hug you nutter, but if it's a mates kid or niece/nephew/ godchild etcetera, why wouldn't you give them a hug if you are close to them, what is wrong with you people.
I never understood the hate for Elastic Heart. There were a lot of genuine issues in this relationship, but this wasn't one of them. I think if you see Elastic Heart as sexually suggestive, that says a LOT more about YOU than it does about the video. It's an interpretive dance where the majority of the time, the two are engaged in mock combat. What's sexual about that? To me it comes off as a father and daughter, and the daughter trying to get the father to wake up and break out of his destructive ways to become something better, and how she deals with the trauma he inflicts on her because of his dysfunctional life. So she fights to get them to both change for the better, but in the end, his mind and spirit are too broken to escape, and she has to leave without him.
I always break with that video, it's such a powerful message, and I didn't find it inappropriate, it was very professionally made and the message was deep and strong, I believe only 🌽 addicts are the one's saying it's something that it's not...
I love it too ❤️ and ı really think that you are right.
Too artsy for the general public. It happens!
That’s what I got from it. It’s a younger person trying to get someone that they love to stop their destructive behavior.
I heard elastic heart when I was a teenager and honestly it was a very moving and emotionally impacting video. I saw the struggle to bring yourself out of something that is ruining you. I can understand some people did not see it that way.
💯💯💯
This is not Maddie‘s fault, but I think that Sia DIDN’T understand the assignment! I think it’s absolutely disgusting that people are putting all the blame on a child that was hired to play a role.
I agree. Sia kind of fishy to me with how she is to Maddie
especially considering, it seems she didn't even want to do it and was pressured into it
This isn’t just not understanding “the assignment”. As an autistic… no. She did this on purpose.
Did no one learn anything from Phantom Menace...
What are u even on? No one ever blamed Maddie you made that up lol
“fame is the worse thing for a person” so you expose a 12 year old to greater heights of fame🤔
my thoughts exactly. i guess sia thought it was okay since maddie was already famous but she was only a little girl, if sia as a fully grown woman couldn’t handle the fame how did she think a child would? she knew that maddie would be plummeted into super stardom after collaborating with her, she just didn’t seem to care about how it would affect her ig
Blame the fame hungry mum
@@galaxyride4944 that’s exactly what I wrote about just above.
Fr, " fame is life ruining, so I'ma protect myself from it by overworking an 11 year old and she can take on the fame" and then she acts like she did maddie a favor. It doesn't add up. Maddie deserved better, glad she's an adult and hopefully more independent.
Worst*
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Chandelier was my daughter's favorite song in 2014. She loved it so much and listened to it all the time. She's non verbal autistic. She used to watch the video a lot. She still does sometimes.
its such a good song!
Holy shit, the censoring of every second word makes this nearly unwatchable for me. That shit is unbelievably annoying.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: If you would consider it creepy, abusive, or inappropriate behavior if a man did it, then you should consider it the exact same way when women do it.
Women are not inherently safe, women are not immune from being predators, and you should not let them get away with things you wouldn't let a man get away with.
Exactly. I say the same thing about Abby Lee Miller. If they were men the reactions would be different
so true!
Absolutely. This is why I protect my baby brothers just as much as my sisters. People can be predators, or preyed on just as much regardless of gender!
The thing is that it just wasn’t any man, it was Shia LaBeouf who’s a known abuser and at the time there were many rumors that he had problematic behaviors which turns out were true.
You’re right to say that women can also be dangerous… which is proven by this very video on Sia’s predatory behavior with Maddie, but one thing doesn’t erase the other.
@@Havanah-ov4yt Definitely little boys need to be protected from predators too.
Women can absolutely be predators but males do commit the majority of such crimes, which is probably why people are more wary around them. In some cases, women also help males commit such crimes or turn a blind eye to ongoing abuse. And ofc in some cases, they act alone as well.
What I found so sad as a mother, was Maddie's Mom saying as long as you're (her daughter) being talked about, that's all that matters. WTF All that Maddie's mom cares about is her daughters fame. She's disgusting!
I'd say all that matters to me was her feelings.. if she didn't want to do anything I'd totally support her. She woukd come first, every time. Fuck game..a life is mire important than all the fame in the world
All stage moms are like that tbh
agreed
Exactly. That explains why her mom never stopped Sia from using and grooming her daughter. Both her mom and Sia want her to be what they wanted to be. Living through her as if she doesn't have her own dreams.
This stood out to me too. Sounds like something Britney spears mom would say, and sadly we all saw how THAT all turned out. Very disturbing fame and money hungry mother indeed who doesn't deserve such a seemingly wonderful child as Maddie at all
The Elastic Heart video is not paedophilic imo. I feel like we've been taught as a society to view adult men and female children interacting together as inherently wrong, and that was projected onto the public response. You can't fight against pedophilia whilst also calling every innocent interaction between man and child as sexual, yourself. That would, ironically, make you a pedophile yourself in a way, yknow?
There was nothing sexual about the video, and it's wrong to project that. There are PLENTY of false "innocent" portrayals in media of adult men and children together that is played off as innocuous but this isn't one of them.
Agreed. I just watched their videos on Miley Cyrus and there was this one interview Billy Ray did where the interviewer stated pictures he took with Miley looked more like a boyfriend than a father…. Ew! But it’s because in our society people don’t think of fathers having the ability to provide safe and healthy touch, especially to their daughters. Men have the ability to be safe and even nurturing. And interactions between adult men and young girls CAN be innocent. Can men be inappropriate, disgusting, predatory? Yes. But I think it does our culture a disservice when we assume there can’t be any positive interactions ever.
Sorry for the long message. I just liked your comment 😂
Imagine if Forrest Gump came out today… you guys forget actors aren’t supposed represent themselves that’s literally what an actor is.
6:35 I'm increasingly concerned with UA-cam's policy on demonetizing content related to discussions of suicide and mental health. Words like 'died,' 'killed,' 'murdered,' and 'suicide' are not just words; they represent real issues that people face daily. Censoring or demonetizing them doesn't protect us; it silences crucial conversations and isolates those who are struggling. We need open dialogue more than ever. The existence of suicide prevention hotlines underscores the necessity of these discussions. Mental health is a critical topic, and we should be encouraging content creators who bring these issues to light, not penalizing them. UA-cam, please reconsider this approach for the sake of healthy, open, and supportive dialogue on your platform.
This has nothing to do with UA-cam itself. ADVERTISERS such as Coca-Cola decide what sort of content they want to run ads on, & they don’t want to run their upbeat soda ads on this sort of content. So the creators, not UA-cam, decide to censor these words so they can trick the UA-cam algorithms & Coca-Cola ads will still run on the video.
@@scarletsletter4466 this ^
Anyone can post anything on UA-cam as the advertisers are okay with promoting their content there. Hence why a lot of ppl have to censor words just to make some money especially if UA-cam is their only source of income.
Stupid hey, like noone understands what unalive means. Like everybody will stop all violence if they never hear the words. Be interesting to see how far this goes...
"Ppl unalive themselves bc of seggs obtuse"
@@ArtemimiOCE Amen to that. It always blows my mind that content creators can be demonetized for saying "Rape" Sexual Assault" suicide or "Murder" Yet youtube refused to removed over 300+ videos i have submitted for blatant and completely visual animal abuse... you would have to be a moron to believe that these videos weren't videos depicting animal abuse yet youtube sent me countless emails stating that the video i reported didnt break community standards........ I was stunned. These videos showed clear cases of animal abuse... I am not talking about some harsh words said in the vicinity of an animal or an animal being spanked or an animal being fed dry food instead of fresh food........ The videos I submitted showed physical violence- a man punching an animal that weighs less than 3 pounds.. the poor baby was only about a week old. The little baby, whom was about the same size as the mans fist, was tied to the side of a cage and the was subjected to a brutal beating. I've seen boxers in a ring treated that way but never a tiny and defenseless animal. My God, If i live 100 years i will never forget that video.... i was so shocked that it took me a second or two to process what i was seeing, it took a second to understand that this was a real video and this abuse was really happening...... I was so stunned that I couldn't even figure out what to do..... and while I tried to figure out how to make the video stop.... my eyes saw the baby's eyes looking back at me with such fear and such anguish...... my ears heard the sounds..... and the image and the sounds will haunt me the rest of my days....
That video was the 1st video i had ever seen like that- i have never witnessed such violence as that.......i was horrified. what was worse was the comments. The people rooting the abuser on. The people begging for new abuse to be inflicted. People with ordinary names that sounded like sunday school teachers and day care workers....... these people loved what they were seeing and wanted more..... my god.....
I was so angry and i just felt compelled to do something to help.... i wanted to help in some way if i could yet I couldn't help at all and it made me physically and mentally sick for days. look, I understand that monkeys are seen as vermin in other countries.... i get it. I can understand someone eradicating vermin. I have been known to lay down a mouse trap or two in my youth.... but I couldnt stomach it. call me what you will- I just cannot kill a poor little creature let alone to abuse it and torture it before killing it.... psychopaths get off on inflicting harm on something defenseless-period. You cannot claim to be normal and get off on watching shit like that and it sickens me that people can actually feel that wya. They can consider themselves normal while getting their rocks off watching animal abuse and torture. I wouldn't and couldn't film myself pulling the legs off of a cockroach let alone drowning a snake or a rat in a jar. That is cruelty and no living creature deserves that kind of treatment-vermin or not.
Sadly there were more videos than i could stomach to report and i reported hundreds. Even if i couldn't watch, the commenters would always spell out everything that happened in gruesome detail...... so i reported, and i reported and i reported and time and time again UA-cam denied what was so plain to see. Time and time again youtube defended the video and refused to remove them...... baby monkeys being put into a jar filled with water and a lid being tightened down making sure that the little being had no way to escape and then the jar was viciously shook and the baby monkey left to drown. The jar was later opened and the baby monkey was in fact drown... drown and lifeless but oh n thats not where the video ended.... no no.... the poor thing was revived and made to breath again......... only to be subjected to the horror a 2nd or 3rd time.......
videos of baby monkeys being tied to fan blades whilst someone tied firecrackers to the arms and legs. The fan was then turned on after the firecrackers were ignited..... oh how the commenters celebrated those videos....
animals being whipped with extension cords... mostly baby monkeys.. Tiny little beings sucking on bottles and wearing diapers-were whipped with extension cords..... baby monkeys who had both arms and both legs yanked from their sockets and left laying on the floor writhing in pain and crying.... baby animals force fed until it was choking and eyes bugging out of their little heads..... drownings, beatings, suffocation, fake rescues, baby animals being given to a pack of dogs to play with..... the brutality was endless.
and i thought i could make a difference. pffft
Out of the 300+ total videos i submitted for animal abused less than 30 were removed. I reported the videos and was told that those blatant cases of abuse weren't abuse and that the content didn't break community standards yet dare someone say suicide or murder or rape and then youtube stands up and says "oh no you don't!!".
UA-cam is getting rich off these videos and they couldn't care less about what animals are hurt as long as they receive their pound of flesh. Its sickening..... but here i am... i am culpable. I shouldn't of come back to youtube after my experience yet here my dumbass sits... I'm as guilty as youtube.......hell I'm more guilty because i should know better.
sorry. i didnt mean to get so morose.... i apologize for going nutty
Looking back I find it such a red flag that Sia had so many issues with exposing herself, an adult woman, to public scrutiny but then had no issue catapulting a 12yo child into that very situation. Even worse, she put her in iffy situations claiming she was “protecting” her. That’s so wild to me.
Not to mention Melissa, who literally gives the same vibes as Demi Lovato’s mom… and we all know what happened to Demi. It’s just sad hearing Maddie justifying all of these weird ass choices made by these stunted adults.
Mente pero estás en todas partes lmao
@@laurisdelarosa3572 BAHAHAHAH me gusta el chisme
there are so many artists covering their faces
This 12 year old WANTED to be catapulted into stardom,…you don’t know that life because you did not have that privilege to be an amazing dancer at that young age,and that is ok too…no child star tries to be a professional dancer and asks to wait for stardom when they are 21.that makes no sense.if you blow up and don’t like it,you can quit.🤷🏽♂️
@@banterj there’s a reason why minors need adults to make decisions for them sometimes. Every single child star that has talked about their experience with abuse in the industry has mentioned similar things to what Maddie had/has been going through. There’s many ways to protect a child star and yet clearly Sia, her mom, and the adults that surround her have failed to do so many times. I work in media and activism, I clearly know about this more than you 👋
From a dance perspective Chandelier is a masterpiece. As a mom i know Maddies mom Millissa had the last word on everything. Its the mom who should let Maddie find the path she loves most as she gets older❤️🩹
I too have followed Maddie her whole life. She has nothing to be ashamed of. She is a true artist. And has a beautiful heart.❤
Thankfully she received quite a bit of praise for her movie The Fallout alongside Jenna Ortega. Most sensible people know not to hold a terrible movie over a 14 year old’s head. She’s doing great currently and honestly I’m happy. Hope she finally has sole control of her own life! People like abby and sia, regardless of their seemingly pure intentions and overwhelming love, can be dangerous.
I'm assuming the 2 ladies you mentioned are not mothers and do not have the instinct of protecting a child. Maddie's mom...the less said about her mothering, the better.
Are you comparing SIA with Abbie (The monster Jabba da Hut) Miller...? Lol cmon now
@@youknowimright1725 they both used/exploited Maddie for fame and success. They did it using different methods, but they still both did it and exerted huge control over her life while doing so.
@@JazzyB9481 Sia wasn't famous because of Maddie. Maddie did nothing for Sia's career. Thats an extremely weird angle to take, Sia was a HIGHLY acclaimed writer and singer before she ever met Maddie. You could argue that Sia gave Maddie a career outside of just being one of the kids from dance moms.
9:18 9:49 😊
I'm diagnosed autistic. Personally, I do not think that you are obligated to cast an autistic actor to play an autistic character. Actors are for acting. No one is offended that alcoholics or people with depression are not played by actors who are clinically depressed. Autistic actors play neuro-typical people all the time. Saying that autistic characters should be played only by autistic people is the same as saying that neuro-typical characters should be played only by neuro-typical actors. And that's a dangerous rhetoric. What they should do is to have a director who know what he's directing and what he\she is looking for so they can film it properly and guide the actor.
The script was atrocious, the visuals, the face expressions... they should've done better research, probably consult therapists who work with autistic kids and at least talk to autistic people... So yeah, I was insulted by that movie.
I argee with you. Actors, actress role is to act out the role they're given and do the best they can with that script n role. they should've done a better research and work
From what I heard their “inspirations” and “research” were solely from Autism Speaks and Sia refused to listen to anyone else.
Welp some things cannot be acted by other people then themselves. say like black people. It would be black face like old times if they didn't cast a black person for a black character.
Also if you made an active depressed person to act on a character that is in their way to unalive that would be detrimental to their mental health. The same goes for addicts in all kinds of ways. Not everyone can handle acting through it without going into addiction again or having worse mental health. All humans are different. Some can handle it but I wouldn't take any chances 😅
Anyway I mostly agree with you! 👍🏻
I can only partly agree, neurotypicals can play good representation but only if they don’t know it. There’s so many characters that are accidentally good representation even if they’re not explicitly autistic so you don’t have to be autistic to create a relatable character that the autistic community accepts as autistic. But if you’re intending to make an autistic character there is just no way for a neurotypical to do it correctly, it always ends up being stereotypical and harmful. We don’t need more representation of the way people think autistic people act, we need authentic autistic representation. Only autistic people can truly understand autism. Nothing about us without us.
@@norastorm99 It's not that they "cannot", it's just that people will not tolerate it.
I LOVE the elastic heart video and I was so confused how everyone went straight to sick disgusting thoughts on it. To me I didnt get wolf from it but I got like feral inner child and he is fighting to calm that child...like the internal struggle alot of people face when they didnt get a happy childhood.. and Shia was extremely respectful in every part of this... like there is such worse things out there that can actually be ridiculed for being disgusting or inappropriate but this wasnt one of them
They both had an incredibly professional handling of the situation. It was well-acted and im sure Maddie was simply told to "act like a wolf" to get the point across rather than to literally portray a wolf
That’s exactly what I thought . I didn’t particularly like the video but I thought he was battling his inner child or demon
I feel like for a video about such a sensitive topic, the style was too sensationalizing
It took poor Brooke Shields decades to realize just how badly abused she was and start coming to terms with it. I hope Maddie gets the help she needs much sooner than that.
I was just thinking of the parallels with Brooke Shields 😢
Did Shields actually come to terms with it? I hope so. Cus up until recently I heard her defend her mom and say everything was normal
😂😂😂😂😂😂 Maddie performed in coachella 2023 with SIA 😂 Loser
@@treasurechest2951I don't think she has. She's pretty quiet about it. Who really knows?
How is it different today? Its much worse today. Young children are being sexualized and groomed with LGBT ideology in schools. They are running drag shows in schools, and filling kids brains with LGBT ideology, forcing kids to announce "what kind are you ".
Are we also going to ignore the normalization of young girls doing Onlyfans and other online sex work?? So much selective outrage these days.
As a 34 year old autistic female, I 100% do not blame Maddie for any of this. Sia blatantly abused her trust and took advantage of her.
And I’m one of the rare people that didn’t think the video was anything but artistic. People read to into shit
As a former modern/lyrical dancer, when I saw the video to Elastic Heart, I didn't see it in a sexual/problematic way at all. I now understand how some can see it that way, I still don't personally and I see the intention behind it. It's unfortunate how art can be taken in a way that wasn't it's intention. While I understand how that happens, it is really sad to me.
I'd love to hear your interpretation of it if you don't mind sharing. It doesn't seems sexual to me just... off. And I don't understand the messages at all despite usually picking up on that sort of thing fairly easily.
@@sourgreendolly7685 I Second That!
I agree 💯
I also don't get the sexual interpretation at first, I interpreted it as how heart and brain fought inside of you. They fight, they got tired, the brain (Shia, in my opinion) tried to do everything to stop the heart, but also try to protect the it... and the heart (Maddie) won at the end.
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@@sourgreendolly7685 I felt like she was a part of him that he was fighting against, like mental illness or emotional disorder and the struggle internally having to deal with that. I'm not sure if that makes a lot of sense, but that's how I felt when I watched it.
I've met Melissa, Maddies mom. Maddie was much younger then, still on Dance Moms. Melissa was very much living through Maddie. I felt a little sorry for Maddie because it was obvious her mother was very much in control. She was snappy with her daughters and a bit stuck on herself personally. Melissa was very much into pushing Maddie.
U know it always talked about Christi’s bad childhood, Kelly’s wild childhood with Abby, but we never hear about Melissa’s, she definitely lived through her daughter to the extreme which is why she threw literal children under the bus during the show
@annanicole5494 Melissa and the girls lived in the Annapolis area originally with her first husband before moving to the Pittsburgh area before the show came on. There have been several rumors for years about her first and present marriages. She is definitely a "dance mom".
@@blueeyzsue4233Care to share?
Look, I can’t watch the show because of how much these mums shove stuff on their kids like cattle. You can do this but need to protect them- she didn’t protect her… the mum didn’t protect her… like what is wrong with them
I can feel it in the interview. The way her Mom is talking for Maddie. My heart breaks for her.
can we just stop asking characters to be played only by people who are the same in real life as they are as character. So you want to say that there should be no Forest Gump or any other similar amazing movies just because people can't stop being offended for garbage reasons? Grow up
Exactly.
Agreed.
Just say you hate people with disabilities and move on.
@@christalcavanaugh what?..
Bruh....🤦🏿♀️@@christalcavanaugh
It's so sad and frustrating that we can justify bullying a child on social media to the point they want to kill themselves or self-destruct all because we're upset about something or disagree with something
Maddie's every bit as oblivious about her grooming, as Brooke Shields. They think it's normal to be sexualized at age 11, because they were told that, at age 11, by people they trusted.
This. Thank you!
@@PHBRNTGGR2 Exactly.
if you really think about it, every single adult in Maddie’s life has failed her. :(
She would have been way off in life or dead if this was true.
@@silverfoxchain well she’s only 20 so
Not trying to be funny but Holly didn’t. She’s obviously not her parent or anything though.
Yeah. 😢
Hollywood failed ALL of it's child stars, and some young adult stars too. YOur brain is still forming between childhood up to age 27. I know MINE was. I was 27 and my brain was STILL changing.
I feel so bad for Maddie with the movie controversy. It wasn’t on her at all and she did an amazing performance, but now it’s a stain on her career because Sia pressured her into playing that character.
This video sucks, it feels like it was wrtitten by ai and no revision
the topic is interesting
but they didn't do it nicely. meh
When fear of being a public figure makes you use an 11 year old as a public face, you have to know what you are doing is wrong.
So when did all of you people become mental health professionals? Or suffered from extreme social anxiety? Then you shouldn't judge someone who is suffering from it. There are child performers and everything they are to do is in the contract. If the parent or child protests, then they should not sign the contract. No one forced this girl, other than her seemingly abusive mom, to work for Sia. There are lots of young performers, and no one knows whether the young person feels exploited, unless they or the parents/guardians speak up. It seems like everyone just wants to build people up, only to revel in tearing them down eventually.
@gracieb.3054 I am in no way suggesting anything negative about Sia's anxiety, HOWEVER I treat ALL children with the care I wish someone had shown me. If as a grown ass woman she suffered from anxiety from fame, knowingly putting a child in that spotlight is intentionally putting that child in danger. I dont care that they chose it. My kids would do a lot of things that would hurt them if they had a say. My son wants to be a UA-camr, he is 9 and has bullies IRL. What he wants matters less than his mental and emotional safety, so I don't let him. When he is older I will give him the tools to face it as an adult, we can get him programing classes, public speaking classes, we can do all the leg work so he hits the ground running but he is a child and no adult should be putting them in danger knowingly. I have my own issues with the dance mom mentality Ala Gypsy, but this video was about Sia and how her mental health issues became so bad and then knowing what fame did to her put a child in front of her AS A SHIELD. I myself spent 10 years in crippling depression and the pandemic on top of that cause me social anxiety that gives me a 30 minute window in public before I get the shakes and sweats, I know anxiety. I would never expose a child to what gave me my issues, even if they wanted it. She could have gone thr route of Daft Punk or Marshmello. She could have hired an adult dancer to be her public face. I dont often say this, especially to someone who is trying to defend someone with a mental illness but you are wrong.
@@gracieb.3054 you have sympathy for the grown ass woman using a child for a stand in and putting all this pressure on her but don't have sympathy for the said child because of mental health? at some point we need to have a conversation about how anxiety and shit like that doesn't excuse the fucked up shit ppl do
@@vermillionglamourthis, ppl letting and defending other adults exploit children needs a backhand
@@vermillionglamour someone suffering from mental health issues regardless of age can be just as if, not more vulnerable as a child. However what distincts the two in this scenario is that Sia as a high-functioning successful adult artist with a mental illness and endless resources to sustain her mental health, should know better to not put a child into such grave exploitation.
The sickest character in all of this is Melissa, Maddie and Kenzie’s mother. She literally trafficked her children, disgusting. Stop profiting off of your kids and protect them!!
Yes. As mothers, we should protect and guide our children not profit off their exploitation. Their mother is to blame for all of this happening.
@@rmhd7550 when you sell your children for profit it’s called trafficking….
Amen to that wasn't moaning about all money maddie made normal parents put in bank not maddie mum she spent it life luxary
@@rmhd7550 watch dance mums there vile to there kids maddie mum kept every penny even when things didn't seem right rather pull plug nope kept taking that money
Is that why I don't want to have kids in the first place? Yes, yes it is.
All the censoring of non cursing words in this video actually put me off it. Couldn’t watch it properly at all.
It's annoying af but youtubers have to do it in order to avoid demonetization
Stop censoring words like 'killed' and 'suicide' etc! It's annoying and ridiculous. Stand up to the stupid policies of AdTube.. I mean, UA-cam.
The moment I saw this video, I knew I had to watch it. As someone on the spectrum, I do not blame Maddie at all, in fact I've been fearing for her after I heard she was crying on set as she knew this was going to be offensive and how much she was pushed to do this by Sia. There really needs to be some more digging into Sia, because this woman taking advantage of a kid like this is honestly just disturbing and she should be investigated.
Right, the more I hear about this relationship, the more concerning I find it. She's using this girl as an extension of herself, as a doll, a mask, a shield all at once. The fact that Sia felt fame was this overwhelming, horrible prison, so she put this young girl in the spotlight in lieu of herself to absorb all the horrible parts of the fame for her, and reap only the benefits. She's an incredibly talented artist and I do sympathise with her struggles with addiction and mental health, but what she's doing to Maddie is just not acceptable.
FFS how dumb are you people? She's 21, she's not a little kid, how about you learn how to think critically and stop being manipulated by horrible people like the person who made this video and let the girl speak for herself.
+ and Shia LaBouf and every other adult invovled
Most disturbing part was her being on the Ellen show. I'm like,.keep your disgusting pedo hand off her ellen! She's on epsiteins list she's a dirty disgusting pedo..was sias keeping hands kn her to protect her from the other pedos I the business..or wanted hetmal, to herself.. and called it protecting her from other pedos but her..they had cuddles? I hate to think.. imgope sia isn't a dirty pedo.....shwas sia on epsreis list?
Whats even more concerning is her mother made Sia maddie and kenzies god mother
Maddie was a child when she was cast in the role of an autistic person. She was doing what she was told to do and what she thought she was supposed to be doing. The controversy and backlash were way out of porportion and so beyond dramatic and it didnt ruin her career. She's doing just fine and has a huge fan base, is still extremely talented, and is overall a very sweet and well rounded young lady.
@@michellem3624no the person is saying that it wasn’t maddie’s fault, she was doing what _Sia_ told her to, and that this shouldn’t impact maddie’s career as it wasn’t her _own_ fault. it would have been nice for her to have more to say back to the deserved criticism and feedback, but imagine trying to speak out against the adult who has more or less given you everything :/ hopefully she is more able one day to really speak against it
@@ihatemickiegee actually she, Maddie, was the one who thought that it is like mocking people who have autism and the adults in her life said it was OK.
The blown out of proportion isn't true tho... That movie had a dangerous hold that has literally killed autistic children and it was known before the movie came out and they still put it out. The backlash was for very good reason.
Agreed. It's terrible how Sia stepped away from the controversy, shuts down her twitter & leaves Maddie holding the brunt of the backlash.
Right. And the fact that she cried and said she didn't want to offend anyone speaks volumes. It shows truly how much pressure was put on her at such a young age.
So your take is that sia making a bad film makes her a bad person? That she was deserving of the backlash she got. Because personally my takeaway is how ridiculously uptight everyone is these days. Sia didnt bully Maddie's twitter account, hordes of people on the internet did. Sia became suicidal and relapsed in her addictions because of how ridiculously agressive the internet is. And you are literally a part of that. Every mistake needs to be punished. Nothing can be well intentioned, it needs to be seen through the worst light possible...
she was literally creepily obsessed with maddie tho
that parody video of “Elastic Heart” is SO FUNNY 🤣!! i watch it every once in awhile, for a good laugh. it’s really well-done.
Which one there soo manu
I think it's honestly gross that the public sexualized Maddie when she was just dancing and was obviously made more uncomfortable by that than the project itself. I also am just grossed out with how demonized touch is, I mean for the dance world this is not sexual at all, dance is just a very intimate art and I think people weren't used to seeing that in mainstream media.
Avid DM watchers know her mother, Melissa, always was sketch and questionable. She was never afraid to step on people’s toes, let Abby put Maddie on an unrealistic pedestal at a way too young age, and allowed Abby to seclude her daughter from her friends and put a target on her back. Every time Maddie or Mackenzie cried from stress, she’d want no part of it and told them to ‘be a grown up.’ It’s even alleged she was in on Abby’s illegal activity outside the show. It’s great they have a good mom/daughter relationship still, but let’s call a spade a spade
Does she have a dad?
@@dearrationals I believe her sister kenzie said they're no longer in contact with him. But he was some-what present during dance moms
Abby and Sia are some of the worst of the worst.
@@dearrationalsThey have a stepdad and Mackenzie (Maddie's sister) recalled to be amazing
I hated how she was treated on DM, as well as how much of a pushover her mom was. Like seriously, lady, if your young daughter's dance teacher is making it a point to PURPOSELY pin the other dance moms, and the other kids against your daughter, to make them feel such hate at her just because she's performing and doing what she loves, all because you're trying to build "a competitive atmosphere" or whatever tf you want to call it, and you just sit there, make excuses, and watch your daughter have full on panic attacks and mental breakdowns, then you're a horrible mother.
Each person is special in their own way. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Activists are NOT community. Negativity and hatred breed more negativity and hatred. Why would you want the world to be like that? Keep making art even if other try to tear you down.
When I was an undiagnosed autistic child, my mother used to have to restrain me. Every time it's mentioned, I remember a particularly bad meltdown, where she literally laid on top of me. I was 8, and 30 years later, I still remember it like it was yesterday.
Just a note: please don't criticize my mom. This was before autism was widely known, but even so, I was violent at times during meltdowns. She was doing the best she could in an awful situation. I just want people to understand how traumatic it is to be restrained for anyone, but especially people with autism.
As an autistic mother with a level 3 autistic son, I know how hard it can be, it's traumatic for both parties, assuming the one doing the restraining isn't doing it for control purposes. Luckily it's not something I have to do anymore, but when my son was younger, his meltdowns were dangerous. I would have to wrap him in a tight hug and hold him til he stopped or he'd hurt me or himself. It was awful and I hated it but I didn't know what to do, no one did. Sia's film was painfully tone deaf to autism. I felt for that poor girl being forced to play an autistic girl knowing it would look bad.
I appreciate you being open & vulnerable with your own experience. I am a mother to a daughter who is autistic & my brothers are autistic. I completely understand your mom & the times she was in. My mom struggled with my brothers before we had this open understanding & resources for persons on the spectrum. People would literally tell her she’s just not parenting good enough & needs to “discipline them.” I’m glad understanding autism is more widespread now.
So much love to you and your mom. I’m here to learn, so thank you for sharing ❤
@@AshChiCupcak As an autistic adult who grew up with very little support, I wish my mother would have hugged me tight until I calmed down, because most of my meltdowns were caused by her lack of patience and understanding. A tight hug would have been so much better for me than being ignored or screamed at. I'm one of those autistic people who likes weighted blankets and being wrapped up in a hug or blankets actually calms me down. Of course, this is not the case for everyone, I guess I'm just trying to say you could have done so much worse.
Sometimes restrain is the only way to keep an autistIc perdSon in crisis from hurting themselves or others.Restrain, if done the right way is not Dangerous.Done the wrong way it is dangerous to ANYONE, not just autistic people
I find it very telling that both Maddie and Jojo both ended up in the hands of extremely questionable and exploitive women after being on show where they were constantly exploited and basically abused by adult women as entertainment for the masses. Dance moms should have never been allowed to exist.
It’s because they both have mothers who will stop at nothing to make them famous. Jojo’s mom, Jessalyn said several times that the moment she found out she was having a girl, she knew she had to make her a star, she started bleaching jojos hair since age 2 and has done several questionable things. She constantly says that she knew Jojo was gonna be a star and that nothing would stop her from doing so. Melissa I feel like I don’t even need to say anything if you watch dance moms, you already know that woman
Amen!
People were attacked for criticising Sia choice of picking a child. But now, every one agrees.
As an autistic person, i don't think it's maddies fault, yes an autistic actress would of been a better choice for an autistic role, but that wasn't maddies choice, she took on a challenging role and tried her best, Leonardo decaprio once played a young boy with a learning disability and he did an amazing job, no-one judged him porley for it
Elastic heart was actually pretty good if you look at it from a dance perspective, it looks like someone battling their inner demons, trying to be strong, but in the end, I think the person failed, and it was really sad, the part where Maddie-- the idea of this strong person trying to scare away a much older but scared version of the person's self (Shia) was trying to pull them out of that place, but he was still too scared in the end.
It's literally softcore involving a child...
I heard that the video was a father and daughter..he was trapped in his own prison, she was also trapped in his prison but it took her a long time to realize she was small enough to escape the cage. She also tried to free her father but his demons were too big to escape the cage..I like that idea better than thr werewolf one.
My take on the dance was a father with demons and a daughter enduring with him. I thought it was beautiful and made more sense to me then chandelier
It is an incredible piece of art & that’s why it has so many views. I interpreted it as being about a dad & daughter also. I think if you watch it & see something disturbing, even after everyone involved said they enjoyed the process, the problem is with you.
I agree. I took it like a daughter and her father. It's nice but I do see the issue of a little girl exposed to a grown man in boxers idk, I wouldn't let my child do that. Also I have a strong opinion that kids should not be in the public eye, at all.
What? Her being able to say shes uncomfortable is a good thing. The things she learned from dance mom's was devastating.
Everything had to be turned into something negative,as the whole video intent us to show how Maddie was treated horribly and exploited. Even "Make sure to tell us if you're uncomfortable" needed to be depicted as wrong.
the point was that putting a child in a potentially uncomfortable situation and expecting them to be able to tell you if they're uncomfortable is just a bad idea from the start. letting the child know that they have that option is great, but expecting them to actually act on it is ignorant at best, especially given maddie's history specifically.
as a child who didn't even grow up in this type of space, i never wanted to admit that something was too much for me. i always had something to prove. maddie is that but exponentially more intense. that was the point.
I think it’s the sentence „I can’t handle it“. There’s a big difference between „I am uncomfortable“ or „I don’t want to do this“ and „I can’t handle it“. Most of us can handle a number of things that we don‘t want to handle or that make us uncomfortable, but we have been taught that sometimes being uncomfortable is necessary, so we push our limits. Think going to the dentist.
The kids on dance mums had drilled into their heads since they were children that their comfort didn’t matter - they could handle it. They probably all can handle a lot, but at what cost? Not being able to handle anything is considered a weakness, so admitting to it is an unlikely scenario.
If you’re asking a child to tell you if/ when they can’t handle a situation that you’re putting them in, then you as the adult already know that you’re pushing boundaries.
Honestly, I think people just look for stuff to rage about. Was it a bad movie? Yes. Was it making fun of people on the spectrum? No. I just think it was blown way out of proportion. No wonder Sia shunned fame. The whole thing was ridiculous.
She got depressed by fame and put a child in the place she is escaping 💀
Ellen is such a creep in the interview for trying to paint Maddie as displayed "half-naked." In ballet, whether male or female, the whole point it to stream-line the body so that the viewer can see all of the body contour as the dance is performed. This generally goes for modern dance as well. There is almost no question that Ellen was part of the Elitist exploitation here. The whole Jefry Epsteen group. SHAME!
Ellen is an entire essay worth of bullsh*t all by herself, it’s true. 🥲
Ellen's comment was so creepy and unnecessarily sexual
REAL! Knowing that Ellen has a huge historial of creepinesss
She was half naked though lmao
@@sunnyday4055 Ballet.
The way Sia gave Maddie her first car at 16 is exactly what that one dude did with Justin Bieber. There's so many predators in that industry honestly.
Justin was surrounded by ppl who tried to use him or live through him (his dad, per example), honestly as if being bullied by ppl for no reason wasn't enough, he also had to deal with all of that. I don't like him nowadays for some stuff he's said and done to others, but I really think he had a sad childhood and deserved better.
omg. she gave her a car, how horrible
@@chishiy4 it's not a gift when you expect stuff in return
@@chishiy4your sarcasm is ignorant
I don't have a problem with actors/actresses who play a part, because it is a part. I think yeah, it could be good for neuro-divergent people to have a chance on the screen, but the people casting don't HAVE to. If we went down that route, then only SA victims can play SA parts, only police offices can play cop parts, only pyschopaths can play psychopathic parts.
It just goes on and on, and just like I believe autistic people can play non-autistic parts, I think non-autistic people can play autistic parts. I think overall, that movie wasn't very good, but the controversy around Maddie playing a part is not necessary.
that zia vid was the greatest moment of her career. truly iconic. she should have adopted that haircut, honestly, for it looked great on her.
poor girl was groomed relentlessly to the point that she didn’t realize it and even defended it at the time 🥲
@Angel When people think of grooming, they usually think of in a sexual sense. But in reality, grooming can be in any way that puts a child in a disproportionate position of power under an adult. Sia controls Maddie's entire career and life; she FORCIBLY made herself Maddie's godmother so she could have more access to her and control over her (Maddie literally said if anything happened to her family, Sia would take her as her guardian). She bought Maddie her first car, which would indebt Maddie to her financially. Hell, during COVID, Sia made Maddie live with her and SLEEP IN THE SAME BED AS HER. Even if Sia's control over Maddie isn't sexual, it's still INCREDIBLY inappropriate how much this grown woman NEEDS to be around and controlling a child that isn't her own.
@@rmhd7550 Look, I've talked at length about how concerning all the shit Sia has done to Maddie is. If you're incapable of seeing how a minor having her entire life controlled by a woman who is both NOT her family and also weirdly obsessed with her is INCREDIBLY creepy and abnormal, then I can't help you.
@@rmhd7550 or maybe you’re just a sheep like they tricked you to be. And you fell for it because you’re ignorant 🤷♀️
@@flynnfarron she`s not that bright, an American kid with little knowledge of reality.
She'll grow some more and realise it on her own terms...boi it'll hit her pretty hard 😢😢
I'm really happy you did a deep dive on this, I have been waiting for someone to cover this topic, but I don't think you stressed enough how predatory Sia's relationship with Maddie is. Even worse than Sia making that awful movie and ruining Maddie's immediate chances of being a serious actor, Maddie's mom said Maddie slept in Sia's bed multiple times when she was 12! There were so many things Sia did to Maddie that was so problematic. I feel like this doc needs a part 2.
Her mom literally said she loved when Sia and Maddie cuddled together in bed.
They also use to share a toothbrush
There’s a video on a channel called MackZboss titled Maddie’s concerning relationships with adults something along those lines and the quotes can be seen in there for anyone who is curious
lets not forget that sai is now her god mom...like wtf
One of Sia's people got a tattoo of Maddie's TEETH. Not to mention sia said she stopped Maddie from getting on a plane with Harvey Weinstein. What was Melissa doing???? I really think this needs a second Deep Dive and Deep Dive needs to go deeper into Dance Moms because Maddie's relationship with Abby Lee Miller is a very deep rabbit hole that almost ruined Maddie.
Mackzboss did a good video on it
Sl04n did a video a while ago!
Love all this work and thought videos were great
Just because Sia, didn’t want the fame, doesn’t mean Maddie didn’t want it. Everyone’s mad bcuz Sia, put Maddie, in it, doesn’t mean Maddie wasn’t enjoying it
I think the actual people to hold accountable here are maddie's parents. The whole hollywood glam is problematic for any child star and parents should take responsibility for their children, especially if they choose fame as careers.
Toddlers in Tiaras comes to mind
Right!! Wasn’t it her mom they kept showing saying ‘any publicity’s good publicity’ (basically)
I can’t fathom being so excited about my child’s negative publicity.
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P.S. Maddie’s career is SOOOO FAR from over. She is and was already extremely successful and was well on her way to superstardom way before she even met Sia. 💪🏼 she’s a fighter and survivor and she’ll be just fine.
Okay, child groomer enabler.
I hope so😊
OOf that part there at the end!
Its Nice knowing Im not the only one who uses Sia as an Insult for people who do not Understand Autism.
First video of yours I see and I have to say I really like your voice and diction!
Sia: hates fame, thinks it's a prison, and wants to be invisible
Also Sia: Has a teenager take the fall for an awful film and has a creepy/obsessive relationship with said teenager
I feel sad for Maddie Ziegler who was attacked for the movie while:
- she was 14 years old. Come on, she was a kid, whats wrong with you people?!?
- she was concerned about hurting special needs people. She didn't played it like "fuck them, I'll do whatever I want".
She was not the problem here: Sia and the people attacking that kid without connecting their two neurons were the problem.
As an alternative view, I believe some autistic ppl r extremely selfish. Sia is autistic ? Idk she's nuts, she's obsessed with Maddie's youth n beauty. Disgusting.
So, from now on, if you aren't a Real Life Doctor, Lawyer, Racecar Driver, Public Hero, Pilot, CIA Agent, etc, etc, You Dont Get The Role??!! Her movie, she gets to decide who the actors will be!!! People gotta over themselves out there in the world! Get off her back!
Something about "effectively ruined the young star's career before it even had a chance to begin.... THIS EPISODE IS SPONSORED BY blah blah blah" is kinda gross. This video shouldn't have been monetized.
I can’t believe that Maddie cried because she felt like she was going to hurt people but Sia continued to assure her it would be okay and then put the decision on her
Maddies mother is the person who allowed all of this to happen.
I don't think you can get addicted to anti-depressants because they aren't fast acting. The pills you mentioned were an opioid and an anti-anxiety benzodiazepine.
lol I was like "addicted?!?!?!?!?!"
You are 100% correct!
You're correct!
Yeah. No one is getting hooked on SNRIs.
@@h0rriphic Yeah they can be rough to get off of but no one's getting high off them
I really hope she makes it back to the top. Seems like such a sweet heart! Such talent can’t be wasted!
I hate the way people in hollywood always call things that are inappropriate "ART". The video was weird. It went too far. Period.
I just feel so bad for Maddie, she seems like a really sweet person who was just taken advantage of from her mother to Sia, she’s so talented too I wish her the best
She doesn't seem to have the slightest regret about having performed in Sia's videos, though. So, why making it into a problem? She seems to have mainly been the victim of thousands of people who were offended to see her dance "half naked" (that is, in a perfectly normal dance outfit) and thousands of other people who harassed a 14 yo until she had a break down because she played in a movie that they happened to dislike.The offenderati seem to me to have been the main problem, here.
@@olivierdastein2604 literally this entire video should be about how the internet is bullying children and a person with bipolar disorder until she relapsed and became suicidal... Instead we somehow get the take that sia is evil? Why? Because she made 1 video that is actually highly regarded by people that like dance, and made 1 shitty film...
As an Autistic Man, I hold no animosity toward Maddie. She simply did as she was told and I commend her heart and bravery for going through with it, especially since that heart was a heavy and worried one during.
Sia lost her mind ages ago and it's NOT fair how she is using Maddie vicariously and like a decoy for the blades of fame.
She covets and hoards Maddie. She's like some kind of maternal predator and to be frank, I think Maddie deserves a healthier life than the one she had before and has now. She should have the freedom to dance her OWN dances instead of being steered by and with unhinged people.
This. Maddie was a victim, we should all blame Sia for grooming her
Its the colour of the costumes that I never understood. I love your content by the way, so well done.
I've watched the entire video & I don't agree with the negative hate of the narration. This relationship was therapeutic for the individuals involved & mutually beneficial. Leave them alone. I don't like how this channel has sensationalized this issue for views.
Weird how Sia hated the fame so much but she was happy to throw a young Maddie into it?
(I get Maddie was already known, but clearly being associated with Sia at such a young age threw her into a much higher level of fame)
I don't see what's so difficult to figure out about it. Sia has fame, but doesn't want it. Maddie wants it. Or at least Maddie's mom wants Maddie to want it. And so a bargain is struck.
She helped a young girl who wanted to be famous…
Sia has one of the best female voices in pop culture. She always inspired me when I was younger. Now I realize just because a person is talented, doesn't mean, unfortunately, that they're also suitable to be role models. Sia was badly abused by her alcoholic parents as a kid and went through some pretty traumatic life events such as the sudden death of a fiance, drugs and alcoholism. Of course she wouldn't be the best influence on a kid like Maddie. The one who should've realized that is Maddie's mother, who failed to do so.
My mother just died last year and I'm houseless but I'm not tryna hinge onto no 12-year-old to cope with it at 39.
@@CherryBirthdayCakeSorry for your loss. But keep in mind that everyone is different.
Its important to separate the art from the artist. You are allowed to enjoy someone’s work but that doesn’t automatically mean you must like them as a person. I think social media has played a big part in society not being able to separate the two because people are made to feel so personally involved in a stranger’s life. It also puts unnecessary pressure on the artist to conform or be censored for no real reason. If you are a pop singer you should not be held to the same standards or expectations as the Prince of England for example. Furthermore parents need to set those boundaries for their children not to be exposed to things only adults have the capacity to understand, not a random stranger on the radio.
@@itszenbabyWith that being said a pop singer should not be taken seriously or get paid as much as they do. You will have kids looking up to you if you're famous just comes along with the territory.
Correction: Only her father was abusive with alcohol, not her mother. Her mother divorced the father and mentored her.
Why they say this video ended Maddie career before it even started? This girl been in the game since she was 4 years old dummy. She had millions of views before Sia collabs. Now she has billions. If Maddie were smart she'd link back up with Sia again and continue where she left off because these videos are clearly her best work.
I always thought elastic heart was about addiction where one person moved past it and the other could not escape it. Regardless, that should have been portrayed with more clothing, and the state they filmed them in is disgusting.
It is not a red flag or a problem to ask Maddie to say openly if she is uncomfortable. I actually think it is a good thing and that what those poor girls go through with that unloving dance school is horrific and emotionally damaging.
UA-cam people don't understand it, here, lower levels ....
The implication is that relying on it isn't enough, because going through "Dance Moms", Maddy was taught to never say no any challenge.
The problem though is the power dynamic. You can tell a child they're allowed to say they are uncomfortable but when you have a young teenager who idolises a middle aged woman they are going to feel pressured to go along with whatever happens to please the person they look up to. There's a reason we have age of consent laws I don't get how this is such a difficult concept to grasp?
But wasn't there a problem with the rhetoric? Not sure where the video took their quotes from because sources were unclear in many parts, but at 25:17 (if accurate), Sia would tell Maddie "if it's ever too much for you, you have to say you *can't handle it*". This is so off from "I'm uncomfortable" or anything like it that it seems purposefully malicious and a way to get her to ignore personal boundaries. It's just sad.
@@lucasrem Oh piss off, you pretentious bore. You do realize that children can't always clearly express their feelings, especially under pressure? Who's the dumdum here?
So excited for this one! Always felt/ said Maddie went from one monster to another and the mother did nothing about it.
Her mother only cares that it made her famous
Melissa never cared about her kids, she just cared about the money and fame.
Melissa said that she’d do anything to get her girls to the top so… I’m not too surprised lmao
Exactly. I don't attribute her "exploitation" to Sia. It started way before they even knew of each other.
Wrong the mother fed her to the monsters
I think people put way too much pressure on eachother to get every single little detail right. Its kind of crazy really.... Sia was made a bad movie, and got oddly close to a 12 year old girl, but is she really some evil character? I mean, she wants to kill herself over this! Can't people just accept that we are all human and make mistakes and forgive eachother? WHY is our society SO FckINg ruthless!!!! SERIOUSLY> this is the question we should be investigating. Humanities twisted sick obsession for watching other people fall and being able to make a mockery out of them because they feel that inside. Its total projection. And the craziest part is that we all accept it like its normal. Everyone loves a good scandal. Loves to watch people fall so they can prove they are 'better than" them by talking bad about them.. ITs so annoying and immature.
So,the issue is that Sia had a non autistic person playing an autistic person, so making a movie as bad and terrible as "Rainman",for instance. After which thousands of offenderati harassed a 14 yo actress until she plunged into suicidal thoughts. Why is this called "Exploitation of Maddie Ziegler", exactly? And the first part is trying hard to present her previous performances with Sia as suspect, exploitative and bordering pedophilia, with a huge insistence on the girl being "half naked" (that is, wearing a perfectly normal dance outfit) and dancing with a grown up (the horror). Performances that the dancer herself seem to have exactly zero issue with and to be happy about. But fortunately the author of this video (and hundreds of thousands of others) know better than herself and are offended on her behalf, creating a totally unnecessary controversy because *they* are disturbed and it gives *them* bad thoughts. Controversy that of course can only harm and hurt the young dancer. But who cares, as long as it allows those people to signal virtue?