@@SB-mr2nk the political/philosophical discussions I have with my father are some of the most important discussions of my life. Without patting myself on the back too much, I feel like I give him a nuance perspective into my generation, and he gives me an extremely grounded perspective into how we got to this point in the world. Best person I know to talk about anything
This is also how adult friends interacted when I was a child. I have wonderful memories of my parents and other couples they were friends with sitting around our kitchen table "debating" issues for hours. Drinking coffee and having some intense conversations with no malice, aggression, or hurt feelings. Even when they disagreed on the topics. And remaining friends despite their differences. Taught me a lot about how to be a real adult, stand for what you believe in while respecting other people's right to do the same. To also respectfully listen to other people's differing opinions with an open mind because we're never too old to learn from each other. I miss that so much these days.
Peterson does try to get many more left leaning people on but they almost always refuse. It is very disappointing as I would love to see a divergent range of thought/opinions. Kudos to Destiny for stepping up.
@@vakuzarthe point is not to get anywhere, as a whole neither side is trying to build something better, each side wants to win for themselves, no matter what, that’s all
@@stendaalcartography3436 - Indeed - I like that since JP is a Psychologist that it makes for a more interesting interview/debate unlike one Mr. Cuchinelli has done before.
As a liberal, I am happy conservatives are now seeing the issue with big business. About 10 years back there was a fairly significant libertarian movement on the right, especially regarding Ron Paul and the tea party where they wanted big business to have 0 limitations and ultimately complete control. Scary when those same corporations without limitations would also without limitation take their money in towards lobbyists behind closed doors to basically be the government themselves without anyone seeing it. Liberals, including myself, nowadays also see the problem with big government in hindsight, especially when war is concerned. If you ask any liberal which president killed the most people in history, it wasn't a conservative, but Barack Obama. Its a fact, and hard for other libs to swallow.
I would suggest you watch more of this channel, it has quite the variety of subjects and ideology to which I'm sure you would find at least some interesting and, I've gotta say, Mr. Peterson is one of best to listen to right now. Might be biased, but I find the guy very enlightening. I personally despise Destiny, yet here I am watching this video because I know I will get to see his point of view challenged in a respectful way. And I'm curious to see the arguments he will come up with against someone I deeply respect in Mr. Peterson. The man chooses his words meticulously and precisely.
I do see what you're talking about, but I would (somewhat parasocially) guess that destiny does not really see getting "worked up" as a negative thing he'd have to apologize for. He's said before that he enjoys conversations like that much more than never truly getting into the details. My guess is that JBP is probably the same way.
Destiny doesn't view it as a problem, but he absolutely recognizes it normally conveys high tension friction and overly combativeness, which he's specifically tried to not be swept up in. Finkelstein Debate is another such example, he kept his cool, even if just for appearances, so while he personally doesn't dislike the high tension verbal "fights", when it comes to getting your point across to a different audience, he's made a point of making sure not to get swept up in raising the temperature, or mudslinging (although mudslinging didn't occur here, despite the tone almost seeming to indocate it could happen).
@@kyle8688 it doesn't need to be a verbalised apology to recognize there was an acknowledgement of tempers flaring or the temperature increasing, for both parties to feel the need and want to cooperate to decrease the tension in the room. If you want to argue semantics, we'll probably be here all day.
It would be nice to have more of them but the only people I've seen from the left that are willing to do it are Destiny and Ana Kasparian. Well, Cenk went on a couple during his 'presidential run' but IMO it was only to grandstand and try for 'gotchas'. He didn't seem interested in having a real discussion.
@@timothystinson9292how exactly is destiny a Marxist? He’s a proclaimed liberal and capitalist. That’s the complete opposite side of the political scale brother
He wore that during the visit to sioux-falls. I asked him if he would be willing to trade, straight up, for mine. Got a solid laugh. No blazers were exchanged that evening. But memories were made.
Thank God it wasn't. Peterson really just talks a lot and could benefit from becoming more concise. Maybe you are a Peterson fan, and it wasn't as noticeable, but coming from Destiny's audience, it made many parts tough to listen to
@joesecord3066 i am a regular destiny viewer and i generally disagree with you. The only times i feel like jordan needs to speed it up is when it is religious, due to my lack of interest.
@@joesecord3066I really enjoyed Peterson. Although he got a little heated, it was coool to see him actually argue against destiny on shit that conservatives run away from when on destiny’s stream. Really really enjoyable.
The clips are not doing this conversation justice. The clips make it seem like the conversation was very contentious but they are very civil to each other. This was wonderful thank you for the video!
The clippers strongly rely on the assumption that no one has the attention span to watch the original, that's why they upload strategically clipped shorts to paint the discussion in whatever light they want. Unfortunately it's working, as you can clearly see the difference between the comments section here, vs the comments sections on shorts.
That makes everything consistent and they are both in the same terms in what they're talking about. There's something relaxing and satisfying when the conversation is this clear
Both are also activily engaging ain listening and trying to understand what other person is saying, instead of the usual where there is one person who is doing very little listening but a huge lot of assuming
If only more people cared about definitions. Instead we assume the worst and end up arguing about 2 different things, while thinking we are arguing about the same thing. Which is just a waste of time.
Please consider a second long-form discussion! The chemistry was through the roof, and there is no better combination of people so politically opposed while remaining a) intellectually respectable, b) clear in expression, and c) civil in conduct. The unique productivity here would be a gift to the world if you started a podcast together.
Respectable? Destiny is a smug half brain who argues in bad faith. When Jordan calls him out on his worldview and asks him to defend it, Destiny can only scoff and say, “Well what’s your big brain plan?” Destiny doesn’t have the intellectual rigor to even be in the same room, and certainly not debating.
Destiny was too hasty to conclude that there were predictions by the conservatives about the side effects of the vaccines of which none of the predictions came through. There were actually side effects, although it might not have been pronounced as expected.
Got heated because JP yelled at someone half his age that he doesn't TRUST PEOPLE THAT USE FORCE when that wasn't even the argument in the first place 😂
@@jizim8947do more listening than talking. Also take notes. But Destiny is running laps around JP here. Destiny said we live in different worlds with different facts and that more people should be present in the same space. JP ignored that because he was too busy to yell.
@@nothingspecial1241it's likely alopecia barbae. Funny how his recent interviews always have that spot of his beard facing the camera though lol. It can grow back but he should just shave the sides until it does.
I've developed a new respect for Jordan Peterson. Not that I agree with him on most things but I can see how his mind works. Destiny's discussion with him is what the world needs today. Bravo gentlemen!!
@@91GT347 Exactly! JBP is a rarity, an intellectual forthcoming intellectual, whereas others (like Dawkins) rarely concede where their knowledge falls short in their domain of expertise, Jordan totally forthrightly says I DONT KNOW and I feel that irks people but it’s the truth and a truth many don’t have the courage to admit
@@JackFate76 What are you talking about? Dawkins was trying to back Peterson into a corner by asking him if he believes a literal interpretation of religious stories, which shows he doesn't understand Peterson's viewpoint in the slightest. Richard discussed the evolutionary arms race between predator and prey, but was so short sighted and dense that he couldn't link the idea that humans co-evolved with stories which they embodied, that gave them an evolutionary advantage. Jordan was getting frustrated because it's so obvious. If in 10,000 years humans turned wolves into dogs through artificial selection, imagine what cultural selection can do to humans through the span of hundreds of thousands of years. We culturally set a highest ideal (a god) and our stories push us to embody that ideal, and culturally we select and admire people who live up to that ideal. Imagine that process through thousands of years. Getting caught up in the historical validity of the stories is completely beside the point - and Jordan had a right to be utterly frustrated. Richard is dense and lacks any ability to imagine and abstract.
These guys had such natural chemistry they could easily do this regularly and have enormous success. Don’t sleep on this rare dynamic that’s been uncovered. It’s special.
These guys should argue more often. I'm a destiny fan but it's so good to see someone intelligently push back and make him go a level or 2 deeper or make him use precise language particularly because Peterson is intently listening and engaging. Give us a once a month argument about anything 🤣
Yes, I particularly liked their back and forth on vaccines. It really challenged my beliefs on both sides and I think they both made excellent points. It’s very rare to see those sorts of conversations where you can see people with opposing perspectives and agree with both in different aspects.
@@arenegadeboss Right? Feel like Destiny's the only person I've personally seen that had Dr. P stopping and thinking a bit more than usual about his reasoning.
@@drearmouse9510Yes I agree, and coming from the side of a Destiny fan, this is one of the first times I’ve truly seen someone make him stop and think about his reasoning. This is why it’s so important to have smart people from both sides debate complex topics, it’s the only way we can move forward as a country and as a people. Very impressed by both and I hope they do this again.
Dear Dr Jordan Peterson - I hope you invite Steve again! I found this to be one of the best conversations because he was challenging you a lot, but respectfully! It was amazing to see a more left person enganging with you in a respectful and disagreable manner, without resorting to insults or just attacking you with dishonest and bad faith arguments. Your talks are very interesting, no doubt, but seeing someone pushing you more on your ideas was super entertaining. Sometimes it feels certain guests or interviewers don't challenge you as much as Steve did - and because they dont challenge that much, your talking points become slightly repetitive and are not explored more deeply. This was awesome!
@@pabloincell35it would be great for you to provide the information instead the like “just Google it bro” approach, if you have any interest in actually swaying anyone as opposed to just shouting into the void here. But ey that’s probably exactly what I’m doing now lol
This was actually fascinating to watch. I have to say I love both of these guys! Destiny did sound a lot more grounded and realistic than Peterson in most of these discussions. Loved this interview. Shifted how I see both of them!
@@Mack-i2uhe’s probably not use to talking to midwits that just rattle off talking points that the person saying them doesn’t even understand. Zero original thoughts, all partisan hackery
The debate on vaccines and climate change was actually fun to listen to. I like when debate opponents actually acknowledge what the other one is saying and address it instead of running down their own dialogue tree.
These two guys could argue forever. The second half of this was gold. I'd love to see another one with these two. This was great. Round 2 please. Somebody make it happen.
@yupimawesome hm really? Are you sure about that bud? Hm? Are you confident? Yea? Feeling confident about what you just commented? Well I'll have you know, I lost my dad in a boating accident on 2/7/04 and after he died we went through his belongings and found out he had a child bride in Thailand. What a world!
BUT I DON'T TRUST PEOPLE THAT USE FORCE, NOW LEMME HALF MY URANIUM ENRICHED KOOL AID. Grandpa, you called the cops on the "shady" people that moved next door. SO?! oh irony. Destiny says there's hypocrisy and abuses of power on both sides. JP: BUT THE LEFT... Just cause you use multi syllable words and have a degree in sociology don't make you an expert in big data modeling, idiot.
This was actually one of the most interesting and dynamic debates either of the participants have engaged in quite some time. Kudos to both Dr. Peterson and Destiny for both giving as good as they got.
This interview is giving me nostalgia from Old School JP debates. I'm very encouraged at the intellectual honesty both men had, no personal attacks, no assuming other person's perspective, just speaking about the issues
@@Kirito_2016 absolutely. And his attempt to be full-on anti-vaxxxxer was cringe. Starts with some vaccines might be safe. Then they are safe, but just too many at once. Then it’s just the mRNA that scientifically bad. Then it’s just distrust because of coercion, but the vaccines themselves weren’t the problem.
There was such a thing, but JBP was having none of that. Destiny attacked Peterson for his ways of bringing up the impoverished victims of the left (after he started the topic that way himself).
I'm from Germany. My mum told me that my grandma was completely shocked when, after the war, they were shown documentaries about the concentration camps. She was not aware at all. My other grandma noticed that a Jewish family suddenly wasn't in the street any more. That was the extend if her knowing.
People not familiar with the recent Finklestein incident (in which he constantly made up new names for Mr. Benulli) must be really confused by this comment section.
Until recently my opinion on Jordan Peterson was broadly negative. But seeing him bring guests like Destiny on and treating them with respect, makes me respect Peterson much more than I did previously.
@@adamcox6960fauci said it 1 time. If you look at the bulk of the messages from the go and people like fauci, then its clear they ran a campaign that said it would reduce.
Steven did not expect to see the monster in Jordan to come out, and i think there was so much emotion and passion coming from Jordan. I absolutely loved watching this play out!
The way Jordan Peterson can review the conversation on command and recall a point from the beginning of the convo to then apply it with surgical precision is quite incredible
Great observation. I just started watching the video but I totally get your point and have seen it many times. I wish I could do that or could even retain just a tiny bit of the things I read like JP can.
I would love it if a conversation like this between these two became a regular segment. This kind of conversation between people who are quite articulate, but who have opposing view points and are willing to follow the proverbial rabbit holes where they might go is genuinely and desperately needed as an antidote to the informational positive feedback loops that social media platforms have become. Jordan and Destiny also seem to be uniquely able to keep things rational and cordial even while vehemently disagreeing on topics, which is refreshing and inspiring. Furthermore, I truly appreciate that they both approach this conversation in good faith with a desire to develop a rapprochement between the divergent viewpoints.
@@mariusciobotaru3 so you watched 1 segment and have an opinion on the whole debate? pathetic. Anyways its hard to remain cordial with somone whos entire argument is trope after trope after trope without any ability to actually support and back up his claims and arguments. destiny is worthless.
1:12:00 Peterson just makes up Bible exegesis. I know of no early Church Father who says God punishes Moses because he hit an inanimate object (a rock) with a stick! Haha. What? It wasn't because of Moses "force". It was because He did not follow God's given command, but decided to wing it and do it his own way. Like JBP is doing w this interpretation.
1:18:00 yes. They were crazies saying "the jab will kill everyone" but come on Destiny. Obviously the VAST amount of people opposed to the mandate were opposed because it was a MANDATE and interfered with personal choice. It wasn't about micro chips. Haha. So dishonest. If someone disagrees, just strawman then into conspiracy land. Lame tactic.
I've wanted these two to sit down and talk out their differences for a while. It is so rare to see a pair of individuals who are both intelligent, up to date on current events, and passionate about solving the same issues; yet so staunchly set on their own side. I enjoyed watching this, thank you for the content.👌🏻
@@zlkanglwrth2776nah it really seems like they both are just searching for the truth. So much respect for both of these people for doing their homework and always talking from a place of logic
He means Jordan was pushed against in the strongest of ways, you cannot distill the truth unless it is placed in the crucible of reality. They both outlined real problems with each other's ideas and I seriously benefited from it.
Outstanding conversation. I applaud both Dr Peterson and Destiny for participating in this and being willing to listen to one another. This is what the world needs.
Well I mean Destiny is just a Liberal, not these disgusting leftists, I think center left and right have a lot in common, the leftists are just loud and bully their way to the limelight
@@beneficent2557 Yup. I'm so lost. This seems to be such a common trend, atleast from my own anecdotal experience. Like 3 out of every 4-5 peers or friends I ever knew that were progressive, were also quite sociopathic. I was a progressive too, I hated Trump for 7 years, it wasn't until 2022 when I finally changed and found myself alot more neo-conservative and now I identify alot more as paleo-conservative, only about 25% neocon/semi-isolationist in foreign policy. So the majority of the peers and friends I hung around were all progressive, we all did drugs, messed around, were involved in crime, etc. All my peers like if not 60% of the entire highschool was all doing some form of crime, from shoplifting, burglary, fraud, cracking credit cards, selling weed, drugs, counterfeits, etc. Everyone had a "hustle". And it was so weird too, but after middle school, there was a huge trend where everyone white suddenly started acting more "black" and thuggish, and even some of the blacks were getting annoyed by it because they viewed it as them trying to "copy culture for clout", they were listening to all the drill rap, talking in ebonics, etc. Like literal white upper middle class suburban boys doing this, lol. I had a friend who introduced me to another friend who was 10 years older than me, and a hardcore heroin addict, and introduced me to opiates, I didn't get clean until 2022, but I remember he was this hardcore liberal guy, he wanted drugs to be legalized, he hated Trump, called all conservatives/republicans "rednecks" and he was extremely atheist, he hated Christians, in fact, to feed his habit, he would literally steal from churches, he'd straight up break in and burglarize their donation boxes, music equipment, speakers, mics, guitars, laptops, desktops, everything you could think of, and he'd go in during daytime and drop a few coins in the donation box to make a sound as if he was donating and then scrunch up as many bills in his hand and crumble them up and quickly leave. He robbed over 100 churches in every suburb of northwestern Chicago. He eventually got caught and caught a Class X felony and I believe he got 20 years in prison. He would always say things like "God doesn't want your money, he doesn't even exist! I'm doing everyone a favor by taking money out of church! Money is the root of all evil, so therefore I'm doing the right thing" "Christians are all a bunch of bigots, their all a bunch of rich white guys, they don't need the money" (yet he was a white guy himself from the balkans lol) Literally what I noticed time and time again, was that if you were in private with these progressive liberals and a rather close friend to them or they were intoxicated, they would show their true colors, and be very racist. But show a completely different image in public. This guy, and a bunch of other friends I knew, were all into selling drugs and research chemicals on the darknet and on the streets. Also into credit card fraud and stealing people's identity. This was also trendy in highschool. The excuse would always be "they're just gonna call their bank and get refunded, so therefore we're attacking from the banks and insurance companies, screw the big corporations". This was the same convenient excuse used for shoplifting and organized retail theft schemes like stealing power tools from home depot and laptops from Walmart. This church robber guy would always be posting memes on Facebook about BLM and anti-racism, but yet there was this one time he bought dope from a black guy and got back in my car and then said "thank god for my good ole n--ger nogger friend" and I was like "....what...?" he replied "Oh. That was my nig nog friend" I say wtf? And he says "Yeah, that's what I call em, and all my other blackies, I call em nig nogs" I was like "do you say that to his face?" And he said "Course not, he'd shoot me" I was like "shoot you? Arent you being prejudice? You just posted a meme on your Facebook last week talking about 'prejudice'..." and he was like "whatever, who cares" I'm an early Gen Z from "99 and I don't hang out with anyone my age anymore. Alot of my peers were very progressive, and I noticed a trend of sociopathy among them. With perhaps the exception being white liberal females who were mainly into virtue signaling because they'd get super emotional and want validation and were also prone to emotional manipulation, I never hung out with any girls, mostly just guys. So I may be wrong. This is just my own anecdotal personal experience. I dropped out of highschool in my junior year to pursue entrepreneurship, glad I never went to college, and glad i dropped out of highschool. So yeah I noticed a trend of sociopathy among progressives atleast from my own anecdotal experience. There were rarely any conservatives, only a couple I remember, who I remember posting MAGA hat selfies around 2016, and getting disowned by alot of our peers, they were straight A students and had 3.90-4.00 GPAs, one of them was a great athlete and the 2nd fastest runner in our entire school, was very involved in politics young, was doing school debates and was nominated class president. The reason there was rarely any conservatives was because we were constantly indoctrinated, our teachers were making us watch CNN student news everyday and after 2016 during Trump's rise to president they were playing CNN like 3 times a day. And our teachers were constantly telling us about how bad and evil Trump was and how he was a threat to freedom and human rights. We were constantly watching movies about slavery that fabricated history, movies like roots, movies that would depict white Americans sailing to shores of Africa and storming tiki huts in the jungles of Africa at night to steal blacks and take them back to America to work in the cotton fields of the "deep evil red south". I was shocked when I learned just a couple years ago that slavery existed worldwide and was basically a norm, and still exists to this day, and that all races were enslaved. We were never told this in school, they essentially never told us but never denied it either and thereby crafted a belief in us that made us think it only existed in America, by only showing us movies and curriculum about slavery in America and nothing else. I went off topic, but I'd like to add one last thing. I've noticed a constant pattern too, that liberals are alot more soft on the superficial level, but nasty on the inside once you get to know their true colors, lifestyle and personality. And with conservatives I've noticed they're very hard, tough, and sometimes even harsh (that may not be the right word) like a "i dont take crap from anyone" attitude on the superficial level, but once you get to know them, open up, and become closer, they're actually very down to earth, trustworthy, and nice. A key pillar belief in conservativism is the acknowledgment that all humans are inherently flawed no matter what, and you can only adapt to this, and no amount of changes to their environment and external factors can change that. I believe this is a key reason in why some conservatives portray a hard shell towards people, and are generally skeptical of strangers and seem to have a high guard on, whereas once they let you into their home and you become close they're very down to earth and kind. Progressives on the other hand don't really believe in this key tenet, and they believe all humans are perfect and it's their environments and external factors that make them flawed and commit acts of evil and wrong, and whatnot. And they appear alot more quirky and soft on the outside but are very very prejudiced, judgemental, rude, gossipy, and traitorous once you become closer to them. From my personal experience from dealing with dozens of them in my close life and dealing with hundreds of them in public in short term relationships or small interactions.
Unfortunately, most of us wouldn’t have the “skills” to keep this conversation going, let alone the knowledge to make relevant points. Another observation is that the energy and focus needed to sustain the conversation requires an athleticism that, again, most of us lack! It’s exhausting to watch! Thank goodness for the ads, that were like the bell between rounds!
Most entertaining debate I have seen. These guys did great. They were civil and listened to each other even though they disagreed. Why can’t the media do more of this?
All this conversation proved is you two should have 1,000 more. You both welcome disagreement and can overcome the generational gap. When’s the next episode…
Most debates would benefit from multiple rounds of long form discussion. Unless your intent is to "win." Often times a chunk of the debate is just understanding what the other person is saying.
It's pretty rare to have two people in a room who understand this concept. Hopefully we get more. Took like multiple years to make this convo happen though@@thorinhannahs4614
@@tedmonster66 So if you're making the claim all his info was incorrect, the onus is on you to provide the evidence, maybe show us something to tell us what was incorrect. Though also something being a talking point doesn't mean the info isn't inaccurate, I especially for talking points from the left, who prefer to actually reference scientists rather than whatever slop comes out of trumps mouth/twitter that morning.
You had me until you said especially talking points from the left. That is absurd. Both sides routinely speak out their back end with no sources or research to back them up. Watch any politician on the left talk about firearms for an easy example. They have absolutely no idea what they are talking about. It's a massive err to think your side is more intellectual than the other side. Both sides have roughly the same proportion of smart intellectuals to dumb follow the narrative types because that distribution exists in the human species. One side doesn't draw more than the other. @@redeyesb.dragonite8562
yeah because it was one of his more easy discussions. ran rings around JP. I find JP to keep letting emotions interfere with his thought. he speaks on things he knows nothing about. Wish he would make his bed and make a proper comeback on topics he is well versed in. constantly out of his depth.
Or… experience in the early parts of the conversation quickly showed Peterson that he needed to continue talking until he finished stating the entirety of his point. Because Peterson allowed himself to be interrupted and subsequently get wrapped up in defending micro-points of the larger picture. That derailed the conversation by constant migration of the topic. He got tired of that game quickly, hence the monologue response to rein in the chaos.
Be destiny being completely wrong and later studying the video and his information sources to make arguments he couldn't make in person? That's what happened and destiny just looked like a punk the whole time.
I used to be just like him. Then years into young adulthood I was around people like Peterson, and life got clearer. What I learned most was just how much understanding of a complex world and most of all, human nature.
Impressed that JP’s community is receiving this well in the comments. Nowadays it seems a roll of the dice whether a community will receive such a contentious conversation. Impressed by these two gentleman as always.
Funnily enough, its the opposite audience that comes in rude, doing nothing reaponding to his points but just disparaginf his relationship. Destiny's audience is pruned over time to be the open ones. He has had debatea from communists to nick fuentes. They aren't going to be offended by peterson.
@@habitat2990 Dude, I feel like we were watching two different debates lmao. Destiny was doing his usual thing of rapid-firing facts and opinions, Peterson was hyper emotional, esp when they got to the climate change and vaccine stuff.
I could've listened to another 4 hours of this. Debates like this don't happen enough anymore. Both Jordan Peterson and Destiny were able to get deep into the details of their stances without it becoming bad faith.
Destiny did that too. That isn't an indication of bad faith, that is an indication that both of them were operating at the edge of their ability and that their initial formulations of the idea they were attempting to grapple with failed to live up to their own standards of validity, so they attempted to reformulate them.
This has to be one of my absolute favourites of Dr. Peterson's debates. I thoroughly enjoyed the breadth of topics covered, the short amount of time it took for the conversations to get deep and heated, and the fact that both gentlemen showed passion for the topics and their positions but did not, at any point, turn it into an argument with personal attacks. Bravo to both, I would love to see another interview with Destiny where you cover even more contentious problems!
agreed 100% - this is how it's suppose to be when solving problems or resolving conflict via examining and discussing opposing ideas to reach the truth - it's this kind of dialectical engagement, this exchange of wisdom, that could really lead to major breakthroughs in the most challenging or stubborn of impasses or conundrums. i didn't know who this destiny guy was - but i must admit, he impressed me more than most of the liberal leftists. (possibly because he has that conservative background?) great interview. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I think Peterson really enjoyed having a fiery conversation with someone on the left who could hold their own without having to resort to personal jabs. Allowing him to let his emotions fly and then come back and fourth between emotions on important topics. At the end I think he was impressed with Destiny and tipped his hat to a worthy opponent. I REALLY enjoyed this one.
Worthy opponent, perhaps, but maybe Dr. Peterson saw a bit of the student in Destiny. I just hope Destiny bears enough humility to remember what he learned.
Jordan usually gets exhausted when it comes to arguments because they usually lead to conflict and Jordan doesn't like conflict (though he hates delayed conflict even more) but watching him while he's in it is so mesmerizing
Both made good arguments, presented good information, didn't resort to personal attacks. All in all, a good discussion. Tempers got a bit heated tho. Peterson could do with a little less shouting and interrupting. Which surprised me, that's very unlike him. Normally he's very calm and collected in a discussion.
Anybody who thinks "destiny" represented himself well here needs to stop drinking soy lattes. It's hard to watch, or listen to such a sad, indoctrinated, demoralized and effeminate man for this long. If you think he made good points, you need to change yourself fundamentally to become a man. Peterson is also not the way. He merely points in the faint direction of the way.
I’ve never heard Destiny speak without wanting him to shut up until now. I enjoyed him being leveled headed in this, however, I do wish it was either longer or that you’d of allowed him to speak more. Maybe a part 2
Although I feel you and could definitely sit through that in awe, I think 2 hours is enough. I mean hell, I already can't get most of my family or friends to sit through even 30 minutes of debate, much less 2 hours, this type of conversation / debate style needs to spread and become popular, so we need to keep it reasonable for everybody. That being said, it would be fantastic if they would come together again once or twice monthly as an ongoing series!
I love this discussion!!! I just discovered Mr. Bonneccelli. And I might say I respect his perspective a lot. I like his thought process. And I hope for a part two of this discussion.
Got to hand it to Destiny. Almost everything I'd seen about him amounted to clips. I didn't have a good impression of him. I must admit that in a long form interview he acquitted himself far better than I assumed he would. I disagree with him on a lot of things but that doesn't matter much as long as people are communicating in good faith. I never sensed hidden agendas or duplicitousness. He's earned a measure of respect from me.
It highlights the fundamental manipulation of information that exists by decontextualizing individuals for ideological gain. Seeing the world through the lens of shortened clips can be extremely misleading and even Destiny expressed skepticism regarding any "clip less than 10 seconds." Everyone who is associated with a certain ideology usually falls victim to this in one way or another (ex. Jordan Peterson, Destiny, Trump, Biden, etc..)
He’s one of the few influencers on the left side of the spectrum that I actually respect and watch frequently . Some of the points he digs his heels into really piss me off . But overall I appreciate his willingness to discuss, and change his opinions
@@bidensson4643Exactly. Whenever clips of someone get my blood boiling I always try to remember that a short clip is not the best representation of their actual point of view.
I do wish we had more people that were authentic and well thought out in their positions, on both sides of the aisle. I think these people are pretty rare. There's a lot of people that I agree with on a lot of subjects, that are still hot garbage when it comes to rationalizing those beliefs and/or engaging with the opposition. It's funny (in a scary way) how many people I think agree with me, not because of carefully thought out policy approaches, but rather by pure dumb partisan luck.
Lmao this is exactly the vibe I was getting man. I have a conservative dad and I am kind of centered but definitely more to the left of my dad. The feeling this gave me was so similar to when we argue.
I want to see another conversation between these two. Both have an incredible ability to engage in actual conversation, to really listen and actually respond.
@@robf5230 I was a Destiny fan since 2015, I was a fan of Peterson for a few years since 2016, too. I believe the constant attacks of the woke mob infected his intellect with an anti-woke mindvirus, unfortunately, and slowly turned him into what they were accusing him of. I would give everything to see a conversation between 2024 Destiny and 2017 Peterson.
I'd say A tier. There are several S tiers... 2nd Joe Rogan, Bjorn Laumberg, Warren Farrell, Camille Paglia, Bettina Arndt, Yeonmi Park, Christina Hoff Sommers, etc. Most before 2022. Old JBP = epic
Each side has people of different levels of intellect, discussion and argument skillsets, and varying motivations. I enjoy when these people get matched up and talk are the best things to listen to.
Jordan, while not arguing in good faith, is at the bare minimum being respectful to destiny. Every argument I've ever been in with a conservative has devolved into ad hominem attacks, mistaking feelings for facts, or putting up a literal wall between them and simply opening a dictionary or googling a concept they don't understand. I too would love for more discussions like this but Trumps own personal unscrupulous and disrespectful behavior is inspiring the right to act likewise
@@personface108…..that’s exactly what Liberals do. Call names(Nazis is the go to) Big thing is that you can’t critique any other race, because that’s….. .
This feels like a father and son debating over the dinner table after the rest of the family had enough and went to bed... and its great lol
32:07
Is that what fathers are supposed to do?
@@SB-mr2nk the political/philosophical discussions I have with my father are some of the most important discussions of my life. Without patting myself on the back too much, I feel like I give him a nuance perspective into my generation, and he gives me an extremely grounded perspective into how we got to this point in the world. Best person I know to talk about anything
This is also how adult friends interacted when I was a child. I have wonderful memories of my parents and other couples they were friends with sitting around our kitchen table "debating" issues for hours. Drinking coffee and having some intense conversations with no malice, aggression, or hurt feelings. Even when they disagreed on the topics. And remaining friends despite their differences. Taught me a lot about how to be a real adult, stand for what you believe in while respecting other people's right to do the same. To also respectfully listen to other people's differing opinions with an open mind because we're never too old to learn from each other. I miss that so much these days.
@@redbird1336you are my opponent but not my enemy.
Jordan told Destiny, "You have the right to your own Destiny" without a hint of irony. What a fantastic conversation.
1:13:11
He didn’t even give our girl Destiny a paper to roll up and fidget with. Hitler level evil
Baller!
Oh no I arrived late to comment that! Lol
Yea, great convo.
Never in my life did I think I would see this pairing, I admire the diversity of guests on this podcast.
His daughter is friends with Lauren Southern. Who apparently had his bastard child. After his experiment with cuckoldry and marital failure.
"So maybe it wasn't a good idea to let your wife get ran through by random dudes for money. Okay, okay.."
Always so important to have diverse viewpoints. Good thing there is a strong black italian woman being included in the discourse finally.
Peterson does try to get many more left leaning people on but they almost always refuse. It is very disappointing as I would love to see a divergent range of thought/opinions. Kudos to Destiny for stepping up.
Destiny does always talk more to conservatives than other leftists do. @@zarbins
This is the most respectful ive ever seen destiny being.
I think he knew deep down he had to tread carefully
Because Jordan is not a republican. He's a conservative but looks at both parties for solution.
Cause he knows he's out of his league and could be made looking like a fool.
Destiny mirrors whoever he’s speaking with. He’ll only give respect where it is deserved
@@matthewcox3510 The only person who got hot and bothered in this debate was Peterson.
I love a debate with zero personal attacks.
Edit : Desiny has been getting worse and worse recently. Dude's gone insane, I retract my statements
@@vakuzarthe point is not to get anywhere, as a whole neither side is trying to build something better, each side wants to win for themselves, no matter what, that’s all
@@34fdfgbr I too use insults when I have nothing of substance to say XD
@@34fdfgbr nice personal attack.
@@34fdfgbrWelp. Tick that "personal attacks" counter to 1 because of you.
Thank you for having Mr. Bonerelli on. I always enjoy when people from different sides of the political spectrum talk to each other.
It was great to see Mr. Borelli on here!
Destiny has some reasonable views
Good to know, *HostileTakeover555.*
@@stendaalcartography3436 - Indeed - I like that since JP is a Psychologist that it makes for a more interesting interview/debate unlike one Mr. Cuchinelli has done before.
@@NickTheShark_he doesn't have any views. He is a nihilist internet debate bro. He believes in nothing.
As a conservative, I am now skeptical aboul both gigantic business and government. It's especially dangerous because they are working together.
Government enables big businesses to exist.
Think back to Teddy Roosevelt you’ll see why he was a Trust Busting conservative
Great comment. Centralized power in general is always concerning to me
Hence why you shouldn't keep voting I'm the same asswipe parties...stop voting republican abd democrat
As a liberal, I am happy conservatives are now seeing the issue with big business. About 10 years back there was a fairly significant libertarian movement on the right, especially regarding Ron Paul and the tea party where they wanted big business to have 0 limitations and ultimately complete control. Scary when those same corporations without limitations would also without limitation take their money in towards lobbyists behind closed doors to basically be the government themselves without anyone seeing it.
Liberals, including myself, nowadays also see the problem with big government in hindsight, especially when war is concerned. If you ask any liberal which president killed the most people in history, it wasn't a conservative, but Barack Obama. Its a fact, and hard for other libs to swallow.
I've watched probably 20 different debates on UA-cam in the past 2 days. This one is by far the best, respectful and explained debate I've seen yet
It's more of a sit down with your psychiatrist than a debate
I would suggest you watch more of this channel, it has quite the variety of subjects and ideology to which I'm sure you would find at least some interesting and, I've gotta say, Mr. Peterson is one of best to listen to right now. Might be biased, but I find the guy very enlightening.
I personally despise Destiny, yet here I am watching this video because I know I will get to see his point of view challenged in a respectful way. And I'm curious to see the arguments he will come up with against someone I deeply respect in Mr. Peterson. The man chooses his words meticulously and precisely.
The subtle, unspoken, mutual apologies for getting too worked up were things of absolute beauty. I'd love to see much more between these two.
I do see what you're talking about, but I would (somewhat parasocially) guess that destiny does not really see getting "worked up" as a negative thing he'd have to apologize for. He's said before that he enjoys conversations like that much more than never truly getting into the details. My guess is that JBP is probably the same way.
Destiny doesn't view it as a problem, but he absolutely recognizes it normally conveys high tension friction and overly combativeness, which he's specifically tried to not be swept up in. Finkelstein Debate is another such example, he kept his cool, even if just for appearances, so while he personally doesn't dislike the high tension verbal "fights", when it comes to getting your point across to a different audience, he's made a point of making sure not to get swept up in raising the temperature, or mudslinging (although mudslinging didn't occur here, despite the tone almost seeming to indocate it could happen).
If an apology is both subtle and unspoken then that’s not an apology
@@kyle8688if it's heard then it's an apology
@@kyle8688 it doesn't need to be a verbalised apology to recognize there was an acknowledgement of tempers flaring or the temperature increasing, for both parties to feel the need and want to cooperate to decrease the tension in the room. If you want to argue semantics, we'll probably be here all day.
Mr Vermicelli was surprisingly respectful and well tempered. Great talk.
Yeah he walked the line gracefully
Except during the vaccine bit
Yup Mr barmelli was nice today lol
Mr. Burelli used his wiki knowledge to make the conversation interesting.
Basssseeeddddd
Bro I’m so here for this. I love how more podcasts are doing the left/right crossover. I respect both these gentlemen.
It would be nice to have more of them but the only people I've seen from the left that are willing to do it are Destiny and Ana Kasparian.
Well, Cenk went on a couple during his 'presidential run' but IMO it was only to grandstand and try for 'gotchas'. He didn't seem interested in having a real discussion.
This used to be the norm.
It's weird you think this is so novel 🙄
@@TheNancypooWhen was it the norm? I’m only 26 and this is pretty unique to me (since I’ve been old enough to remember and appreciate it)
I would n🎉describe Destiny as a gentleman
@@timothystinson9292how exactly is destiny a Marxist? He’s a proclaimed liberal and capitalist. That’s the complete opposite side of the political scale brother
Our era NEEDS discussions like this right now.
Jordans suit game is outta this world
Yeah that is a bold choice
@@okayydudecringe
It’s awful
He wore that during the visit to sioux-falls. I asked him if he would be willing to trade, straight up, for mine. Got a solid laugh. No blazers were exchanged that evening. But memories were made.
His suit game as of late has actually been pretty cringy/bad, tbh
This is probably one of the best conversations/debate I have seen in a long time and more of these need to happen.
This needed to be 3x longer! IMO. It was extremely satisfying to see this conversation happen. Thank you to both Dr Peterson and Destiny. ❤
Thank God it wasn't. Peterson really just talks a lot and could benefit from becoming more concise. Maybe you are a Peterson fan, and it wasn't as noticeable, but coming from Destiny's audience, it made many parts tough to listen to
@joesecord3066 i am a regular destiny viewer and i generally disagree with you. The only times i feel like jordan needs to speed it up is when it is religious, due to my lack of interest.
IKR! Now I want Daily Wire+
@@joesecord3066I really enjoyed Peterson. Although he got a little heated, it was coool to see him actually argue against destiny on shit that conservatives run away from when on destiny’s stream.
Really really enjoyable.
@@joesecord3066
Destiny viewer here. I enjoyed. Acting like destiny fans are used to higher discussion is a joke.
This is core destiny.
Very good debate,Destiny stood his ground.Would love a second interview in the near future.
The clips are not doing this conversation justice. The clips make it seem like the conversation was very contentious but they are very civil to each other. This was wonderful thank you for the video!
Same thing I thought too. Clips really paint the wrong energy of the conversation
100%
That's exactly what I thought.
The clippers strongly rely on the assumption that no one has the attention span to watch the original, that's why they upload strategically clipped shorts to paint the discussion in whatever light they want. Unfortunately it's working, as you can clearly see the difference between the comments section here, vs the comments sections on shorts.
You took the words out of my mouth!
I noticed something very important in this debate. Both were willing to clarify definitions on multiple occasions.
That makes everything consistent and they are both in the same terms in what they're talking about. There's something relaxing and satisfying when the conversation is this clear
Which makes it all very entertaining and engaging right to the end.
Both are also activily engaging ain listening and trying to understand what other person is saying, instead of the usual where there is one person who is doing very little listening but a huge lot of assuming
So much better than name calling
If only more people cared about definitions. Instead we assume the worst and end up arguing about 2 different things, while thinking we are arguing about the same thing. Which is just a waste of time.
Please consider a second long-form discussion! The chemistry was through the roof, and there is no better combination of people so politically opposed while remaining a) intellectually respectable, b) clear in expression, and c) civil in conduct.
The unique productivity here would be a gift to the world if you started a podcast together.
"Destiny" is intellectually dishonest. He either plays the contrarian fukhed or is an actual dumass
Definately agree, 2 hours was too short!
Respectable? Destiny is a smug half brain who argues in bad faith. When Jordan calls him out on his worldview and asks him to defend it, Destiny can only scoff and say, “Well what’s your big brain plan?” Destiny doesn’t have the intellectual rigor to even be in the same room, and certainly not debating.
hahaha agreed
absolutely agreed
This is how debates should be. Passionate, truthful, educated and without personal attacks. Refreshing to see.
I applaud both for this conversation. It got heated and yet remained cordial with no personal attacks. Very well done. We need more of this
Destiny was too hasty to conclude that there were predictions by the conservatives about the side effects of the vaccines of which none of the predictions came through. There were actually side effects, although it might not have been pronounced as expected.
I agree. Things have gotten so bad I can't even talk to my best friend about politics it's sad
Which is odd , since Destiny usually leans on personal attacks in debate
Got heated because JP yelled at someone half his age that he doesn't TRUST PEOPLE THAT USE FORCE when that wasn't even the argument in the first place 😂
@@jizim8947do more listening than talking. Also take notes. But Destiny is running laps around JP here. Destiny said we live in different worlds with different facts and that more people should be present in the same space. JP ignored that because he was too busy to yell.
Thank you for having Ms. Boncinelli on the show. I always appreciate when two people on opposite sides of the autism spectrum can have a civil debate
I’m forever now describing the variation in autism as the Peterson end and the Destiny end. Golden observation
Lmaoo well done
I don’t understand. Is this your attempt at being funny?
In the brilliant words of Mrs Candace Owens to destiny “aren’t you too old to be acting and thinking the way you do?”
Opposite sides of the spectrum, and opposite sexes
51 minutes in, things are tense, the fadeaway to the advertisement had me DYING of laughter
Such is the daily wire
@@nothingspecial1241it's likely alopecia barbae. Funny how his recent interviews always have that spot of his beard facing the camera though lol. It can grow back but he should just shave the sides until it does.
@@stillnotchill2560 It is alopecia, Destiny brought it up several times on stream.
Edit: Also he did shave the sides xD
Yo this shit makes me so sick. Why do they cover up the actual content with the ad. Why don't they just pause the content and show the ad?
@@MiddleWayLiving because they want you to subscribe to DW to get that sweet sweet currency up out of your bank account.
I've developed a new respect for Jordan Peterson. Not that I agree with him on most things but I can see how his mind works. Destiny's discussion with him is what the world needs today. Bravo gentlemen!!
Wanna loose it again? Watch him talk to Dawkins.
@@JackFate76Only for those who don't understand JP.
@@91GT347 Exactly! JBP is a rarity, an intellectual forthcoming intellectual, whereas others (like Dawkins) rarely concede where their knowledge falls short in their domain of expertise, Jordan totally forthrightly says I DONT KNOW and I feel that irks people but it’s the truth and a truth many don’t have the courage to admit
Don’t worry destiny goes right back to attacking oppositional beliefs with personal attacks and fast talking sperging out right after this
@@JackFate76 What are you talking about? Dawkins was trying to back Peterson into a corner by asking him if he believes a literal interpretation of religious stories, which shows he doesn't understand Peterson's viewpoint in the slightest. Richard discussed the evolutionary arms race between predator and prey, but was so short sighted and dense that he couldn't link the idea that humans co-evolved with stories which they embodied, that gave them an evolutionary advantage. Jordan was getting frustrated because it's so obvious. If in 10,000 years humans turned wolves into dogs through artificial selection, imagine what cultural selection can do to humans through the span of hundreds of thousands of years. We culturally set a highest ideal (a god) and our stories push us to embody that ideal, and culturally we select and admire people who live up to that ideal. Imagine that process through thousands of years. Getting caught up in the historical validity of the stories is completely beside the point - and Jordan had a right to be utterly frustrated. Richard is dense and lacks any ability to imagine and abstract.
These guys had such natural chemistry they could easily do this regularly and have enormous success. Don’t sleep on this rare dynamic that’s been uncovered. It’s special.
Yeah there is something happening here that feels entirely productive.
Good point
I doubt they collaborate again for a while. It’s a shame though, this convo was really good.
Initially I didn't feel it that much, but by the end of the conversation I think it was good.
I agree their chemistry/dynamic completely captured my attention
Probably one of JP’s most interesting talks I’ve heard in a while. Very good pairing here.
Impressed by destiny
These guys should argue more often. I'm a destiny fan but it's so good to see someone intelligently push back and make him go a level or 2 deeper or make him use precise language particularly because Peterson is intently listening and engaging.
Give us a once a month argument about anything 🤣
Yes, I particularly liked their back and forth on vaccines. It really challenged my beliefs on both sides and I think they both made excellent points. It’s very rare to see those sorts of conversations where you can see people with opposing perspectives and agree with both in different aspects.
@@arenegadeboss Right? Feel like Destiny's the only person I've personally seen that had Dr. P stopping and thinking a bit more than usual about his reasoning.
@@drearmouse9510Yes I agree, and coming from the side of a Destiny fan, this is one of the first times I’ve truly seen someone make him stop and think about his reasoning.
This is why it’s so important to have smart people from both sides debate complex topics, it’s the only way we can move forward as a country and as a people. Very impressed by both and I hope they do this again.
Dear Dr Jordan Peterson - I hope you invite Steve again! I found this to be one of the best conversations because he was challenging you a lot, but respectfully! It was amazing to see a more left person enganging with you in a respectful and disagreable manner, without resorting to insults or just attacking you with dishonest and bad faith arguments. Your talks are very interesting, no doubt, but seeing someone pushing you more on your ideas was super entertaining. Sometimes it feels certain guests or interviewers don't challenge you as much as Steve did - and because they dont challenge that much, your talking points become slightly repetitive and are not explored more deeply. This was awesome!
I 100% agree
Bring actual covid data because 90% of what he said about covid was incorrect
@@pabloincell35You're generous ❤
90% of my comments... just... disappear.
Even HERE ❤
@@pabloincell35it would be great for you to provide the information instead the like “just Google it bro” approach, if you have any interest in actually swaying anyone as opposed to just shouting into the void here. But ey that’s probably exactly what I’m doing now lol
This was actually fascinating to watch. I have to say I love both of these guys! Destiny did sound a lot more grounded and realistic than Peterson in most of these discussions. Loved this interview. Shifted how I see both of them!
You rarely ever see Peterson like this. It's fantastic to watch.
He's used to people agreeing with him on everything
@@Mack-i2uhe’s probably not use to talking to midwits that just rattle off talking points that the person saying them doesn’t even understand. Zero original thoughts, all partisan hackery
That's actually the opposite. His rise to fame was because of talking with people that disagreed with him.@@Mack-i2u
@@Mack-i2uUhhhhh… what?😂😂
@@alexrennison8070for what is a non combative interview yes
Joe Rogan would never disagree with him
The debate on vaccines and climate change was actually fun to listen to. I like when debate opponents actually acknowledge what the other one is saying and address it instead of running down their own dialogue tree.
You literally have to have 30 iq to not get the "vaccines" was a money grab
@nft3 NPC
@@zakeaton5632you'd think that would make you more apprehensive about the vaccine not less .
I'd love to see JP talk to a virologist and climatologist, but I also understand why professionals wouldn't want to associate with people like him.
@@zakeaton5632 what are you trying to say? The way you wrote this I can’t even tell if you are saying the vaxs were or weren’t tested.
These two guys could argue forever. The second half of this was gold. I'd love to see another one with these two. This was great. Round 2 please. Somebody make it happen.
Peterson said at the end of the conversation/debate that they will talk more.
@yupimawesome hm really? Are you sure about that bud? Hm? Are you confident? Yea? Feeling confident about what you just commented? Well I'll have you know, I lost my dad in a boating accident on 2/7/04 and after he died we went through his belongings and found out he had a child bride in Thailand.
What a world!
@krappa1234 yes I truly showed him and put him in his place, like the giga Chad I am, ofc😎😈
I do hope he brings mr. Borrelli back for a second round
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This is definitely one of my favorite debates. Im fond of both of these guys, keeps me balanced in my beliefs.
One of Jordan's best interviews by a large margin.
@@andrewstarr8062you all over the comments crying jp had an interesting conversation, your brain is rotted
@@andrewstarr8062who hurt you lol
yeah i would not declare that so quickly. But i enjoyed it a lot. @@andrewstarr8062
Yep, it was an immaculate debate by two excellent intellectuals on opposite political spectrum.
@@Lol-ww8xd🤣
I started to think this interview never happened because it took a long time to be released
Were you edging or were you gooning?
Not everyone uses spotify
@@nyChannel09I don't use Spotify for podcast and I wasn't really complaining
To be fair we had reason to doubt given Destiny used a JP interview as a bait & switch before
@@RedactedUsernameWe certainly had a reason
“ guys please you’re ruining Easter for the whole family”
😂😂😂😂😂
BUT I DON'T TRUST PEOPLE THAT USE FORCE, NOW LEMME HALF MY URANIUM ENRICHED KOOL AID. Grandpa, you called the cops on the "shady" people that moved next door. SO?! oh irony. Destiny says there's hypocrisy and abuses of power on both sides. JP: BUT THE LEFT... Just cause you use multi syllable words and have a degree in sociology don't make you an expert in big data modeling, idiot.
Too late, Biden already ruined it.
You mean trans visibility day😂😂😂
@@Caramelized_Sausage waaahhh
Jordan Peterson is the goat
This was actually one of the most interesting and dynamic debates either of the participants have engaged in quite some time. Kudos to both Dr. Peterson and Destiny for both giving as good as they got.
Right? I did not expect this level of conversation between a blue haired gamer and an exiled Psychology Professor.
Exiled? You mean thrown out of the Canadian Cult? Because that's exactly what happened.@@SubvertTheState
this was amazing
It's a gem amongst the debates, I hope it will go viral.
I think "thrown out" and exiled can mean the same thing lol@@mikesmith9501
This interview is giving me nostalgia from Old School JP debates. I'm very encouraged at the intellectual honesty both men had, no personal attacks, no assuming other person's perspective, just speaking about the issues
Just, you know, climate change science is equivalent to nazis...that part is pretty dishonest
Destiny is not an intellectual. Sorry about that. He made his name off of TDS
@FastAndEasy2010 not climate science, the movement behind climate science, you didn't pay enough attention apparently
Yes but the interview is a good example of why the left avoids debate and relies on censorship and paid influencers
@@FastAndEasy2010your right the Nazis raised their people's standard of living
Has to be one of Jordans Petersons best videos in a long time ! These 2 held up a great conversation hope to see Destiny on here again !!!
This is probably the most productive debate destiny has even been a part of. Kudos to him
I haven’t listened to such a substantive conversation propelled through good faith dialogue in so long. Bravo to both men.
Unless it really was someone's idea of a hook up it wasn't anyone's fault ... love is very strong. I'm a sucker for the fucking dorky depressed dork
So damn good
What is this promotion of good faith argument in the comments ...JP has become unhinged
@@unspoken7704 you're just reading him wrong. He's not an easy man to decipher but that's definitely not him becoming unhinged.
Is Destiny’s vaccine argument good faith?
I think it’s delusional!
Incredible discussion. When can we get a round 2?
Get this to the top
Why? To get more:
Peterson: here is hard data
Destiny: yeah but I feel like....
?
@@zlkanglwrth2776 Peterson did this just as much as Destiny
@@Kirito_2016 absolutely.
And his attempt to be full-on anti-vaxxxxer was cringe. Starts with some vaccines might be safe. Then they are safe, but just too many at once. Then it’s just the mRNA that scientifically bad. Then it’s just distrust because of coercion, but the vaccines themselves weren’t the problem.
It wasn't that MRNA is/was bad, just that it wasn't tested enough
Wow, what a rarity! A non-moderated, true debate with plenty of yelling and passion, but not a single personal attack! And for 2 hours!
I hope this is a sign that the medium and participants are maturing. Doubtful but I can hope.
@@Toxicottonthey both have independent platforms. This was organized by themselves and not a network
Probably because it wasn't a debate at all. It was an interview where some disagreements came up. Not sure an actual debate would go the same way.
I love to see passion from both sides!!
There was such a thing, but JBP was having none of that. Destiny attacked Peterson for his ways of bringing up the impoverished victims of the left (after he started the topic that way himself).
I'm from Germany. My mum told me that my grandma was completely shocked when, after the war, they were shown documentaries about the concentration camps. She was not aware at all. My other grandma noticed that a Jewish family suddenly wasn't in the street any more. That was the extend if her knowing.
They showed videos on national TV at that time of "how well people were in the concentration camps".
The interview is actually real
I still cant believe it, lmao
Thanks Lex
How old is this
@@dashockpixle4140I believe it was filmed on February 2nd or 3rd
lets see how much destiny wanted to cut out
The pure joy Jordan got from an actual debate must be so rewarding 😂
Intellectual honesty. Nice!
This wasn't a debate, really. JP debated Dillahunty, Sam Harris, and Zizek. They were all L's for him.
@@chekz3520facts
lol, what ever you say buddy@@chekz3520
@chekz3520 you are ignorant, wrong and clearly never watched those conversations 😂😂😂😂😂
Great interview with Mr.Bodelli, one of my favourites.
Agree. They should do a lot more of these
People not familiar with the recent Finklestein incident (in which he constantly made up new names for Mr. Benulli) must be really confused by this comment section.
Motormouth Borealis.
Until recently my opinion on Jordan Peterson was broadly negative. But seeing him bring guests like Destiny on and treating them with respect, makes me respect Peterson much more than I did previously.
Mr Cincinatti was super respectful in this conversation, great talk.
Mr Martelli
I spit out my coffee at this comment; I regret that I only have one like to give
Mr Spaghetti
Imagine being a jp viewer and seeing all these dgg comments lol
@@aries8910the psyop is in full effect dggL
So good to see JP looking healthy again.
Amen KetoVore
no
Pink shirt does wonders for his pallor 😅
Destiny it was NOT Biden alone that said the vaccine would get rid of transmission. NIH officials and CDC officials said the same thing.
Did they say it got rid? Or reduced?
Fauci himself said it
@@kylemcmahon9868 They absolutely said reduce lol
@SquishJessica in the beginning they said " got rid of"
@@adamcox6960fauci said it 1 time. If you look at the bulk of the messages from the go and people like fauci, then its clear they ran a campaign that said it would reduce.
Steven did not expect to see the monster in Jordan to come out, and i think there was so much emotion and passion coming from Jordan. I absolutely loved watching this play out!
The way Jordan Peterson can review the conversation on command and recall a point from the beginning of the convo to then apply it with surgical precision is quite incredible
Great observation. I just started watching the video but I totally get your point and have seen it many times. I wish I could do that or could even retain just a tiny bit of the things I read like JP can.
He's a clinical psychologist
My wife can do this and I find it OP and unfair lol
@@mandrewski2742 all i can say in regards to such a skill is with great power comes great responsibility 🤣
I thought he lost this argument and I didn't want him to
I would love it if a conversation like this between these two became a regular segment. This kind of conversation between people who are quite articulate, but who have opposing view points and are willing to follow the proverbial rabbit holes where they might go is genuinely and desperately needed as an antidote to the informational positive feedback loops that social media platforms have become. Jordan and Destiny also seem to be uniquely able to keep things rational and cordial even while vehemently disagreeing on topics, which is refreshing and inspiring. Furthermore, I truly appreciate that they both approach this conversation in good faith with a desire to develop a rapprochement between the divergent viewpoints.
It’s a shame how little likes this comment received compared to “wow this conversation got heated”.
Peterson was screaming and throwing a tantrum the whole episode. He's neither cordial, nor rational.
I think you overestimate Destiny.
@@mariusciobotaru3you must have watched another video
@@mariusciobotaru3 so you watched 1 segment and have an opinion on the whole debate? pathetic. Anyways its hard to remain cordial with somone whos entire argument is trope after trope after trope without any ability to actually support and back up his claims and arguments. destiny is worthless.
None stop, the most attentive I’ve been to an episode from either of these two. It was the best from the both of them.
1:12:00 Peterson just makes up Bible exegesis. I know of no early Church Father who says God punishes Moses because he hit an inanimate object (a rock) with a stick! Haha. What? It wasn't because of Moses "force". It was because He did not follow God's given command, but decided to wing it and do it his own way.
Like JBP is doing w this interpretation.
1:18:00 yes. They were crazies saying "the jab will kill everyone" but come on Destiny. Obviously the VAST amount of people opposed to the mandate were opposed because it was a MANDATE and interfered with personal choice. It wasn't about micro chips. Haha. So dishonest. If someone disagrees, just strawman then into conspiracy land. Lame tactic.
I've wanted these two to sit down and talk out their differences for a while.
It is so rare to see a pair of individuals who are both intelligent, up to date on current events, and passionate about solving the same issues; yet so staunchly set on their own side.
I enjoyed watching this, thank you for the content.👌🏻
Please can we get a part 2? These conversations are great, and we need more of this in the media
Really? The psychologist and the uninformed dumbass?
I could listen to these two talk for days. Concessions were made, respect was displayed, corrections were allowed and welcomed. Good stuff.
Not really destiny is illogical, full of himself and insufferable
@@zlkanglwrth2776 y so mad?
@@zlkanglwrth2776nah it really seems like they both are just searching for the truth. So much respect for both of these people for doing their homework and always talking from a place of logic
@@zlkanglwrth2776you’ve clearly got a personal gripe. You mad he called Tate a sex trafficker?
Jordan is guilty of the same, at times. Few people who engage in political discourse are tolerable humans.
Great talk between Mr. Peterson and Mr. Morelli
No.
😂
@@nft3 Heh I am so cool by writing short edgy responses that are open to diverse interpretation
that's Mr. Motormouth Morelly for you.
@@comicsans6487 no it's Mr. Moronelli
Why is destiny being so calm and reasonable?
Honestly, this is actually a great back and forth
In the sense Jordan is right on. ❤
He means Jordan was pushed against in the strongest of ways, you cannot distill the truth unless it is placed in the crucible of reality. They both outlined real problems with each other's ideas and I seriously benefited from it.
@SubvertTheState no you didnt. You only think you did, nothing changes for you.
@@myhatelect im gonna touch you tonight
Only if you know nothing
This is exactly why free speech is so damn important.
Without it we can never talk to each other
be honest do you even want to talk to them
Peterson didn't let Destiny speak at all though lol
@@victorespino5650no, it’s Destiny that doesn’t have anything to contribute.
He’s an idiot.
Free speech protects you from the government and it has been like that since the dawn of this nation
@@victorespino5650 right? He was shouting the entire time and interrupted him left right and centre. Super disappointed...
Outstanding conversation. I applaud both Dr Peterson and Destiny for participating in this and being willing to listen to one another. This is what the world needs.
Well I mean Destiny is just a Liberal, not these disgusting leftists, I think center left and right have a lot in common, the leftists are just loud and bully their way to the limelight
Destiny doesnt listen to points other than looking for something to argue against.
He may have sociopathic tendencies.
@@beneficent2557 Yup. I'm so lost. This seems to be such a common trend, atleast from my own anecdotal experience. Like 3 out of every 4-5 peers or friends I ever knew that were progressive, were also quite sociopathic. I was a progressive too, I hated Trump for 7 years, it wasn't until 2022 when I finally changed and found myself alot more neo-conservative and now I identify alot more as paleo-conservative, only about 25% neocon/semi-isolationist in foreign policy. So the majority of the peers and friends I hung around were all progressive, we all did drugs, messed around, were involved in crime, etc. All my peers like if not 60% of the entire highschool was all doing some form of crime, from shoplifting, burglary, fraud, cracking credit cards, selling weed, drugs, counterfeits, etc. Everyone had a "hustle". And it was so weird too, but after middle school, there was a huge trend where everyone white suddenly started acting more "black" and thuggish, and even some of the blacks were getting annoyed by it because they viewed it as them trying to "copy culture for clout", they were listening to all the drill rap, talking in ebonics, etc. Like literal white upper middle class suburban boys doing this, lol.
I had a friend who introduced me to another friend who was 10 years older than me, and a hardcore heroin addict, and introduced me to opiates, I didn't get clean until 2022, but I remember he was this hardcore liberal guy, he wanted drugs to be legalized, he hated Trump, called all conservatives/republicans "rednecks" and he was extremely atheist, he hated Christians, in fact, to feed his habit, he would literally steal from churches, he'd straight up break in and burglarize their donation boxes, music equipment, speakers, mics, guitars, laptops, desktops, everything you could think of, and he'd go in during daytime and drop a few coins in the donation box to make a sound as if he was donating and then scrunch up as many bills in his hand and crumble them up and quickly leave. He robbed over 100 churches in every suburb of northwestern Chicago. He eventually got caught and caught a Class X felony and I believe he got 20 years in prison. He would always say things like "God doesn't want your money, he doesn't even exist! I'm doing everyone a favor by taking money out of church! Money is the root of all evil, so therefore I'm doing the right thing" "Christians are all a bunch of bigots, their all a bunch of rich white guys, they don't need the money" (yet he was a white guy himself from the balkans lol)
Literally what I noticed time and time again, was that if you were in private with these progressive liberals and a rather close friend to them or they were intoxicated, they would show their true colors, and be very racist. But show a completely different image in public.
This guy, and a bunch of other friends I knew, were all into selling drugs and research chemicals on the darknet and on the streets. Also into credit card fraud and stealing people's identity. This was also trendy in highschool. The excuse would always be "they're just gonna call their bank and get refunded, so therefore we're attacking from the banks and insurance companies, screw the big corporations". This was the same convenient excuse used for shoplifting and organized retail theft schemes like stealing power tools from home depot and laptops from Walmart.
This church robber guy would always be posting memes on Facebook about BLM and anti-racism, but yet there was this one time he bought dope from a black guy and got back in my car and then said "thank god for my good ole n--ger nogger friend" and I was like "....what...?" he replied "Oh. That was my nig nog friend" I say wtf? And he says "Yeah, that's what I call em, and all my other blackies, I call em nig nogs" I was like "do you say that to his face?" And he said "Course not, he'd shoot me" I was like "shoot you? Arent you being prejudice? You just posted a meme on your Facebook last week talking about 'prejudice'..." and he was like "whatever, who cares"
I'm an early Gen Z from "99 and I don't hang out with anyone my age anymore. Alot of my peers were very progressive, and I noticed a trend of sociopathy among them. With perhaps the exception being white liberal females who were mainly into virtue signaling because they'd get super emotional and want validation and were also prone to emotional manipulation, I never hung out with any girls, mostly just guys. So I may be wrong. This is just my own anecdotal personal experience. I dropped out of highschool in my junior year to pursue entrepreneurship, glad I never went to college, and glad i dropped out of highschool.
So yeah I noticed a trend of sociopathy among progressives atleast from my own anecdotal experience. There were rarely any conservatives, only a couple I remember, who I remember posting MAGA hat selfies around 2016, and getting disowned by alot of our peers, they were straight A students and had 3.90-4.00 GPAs, one of them was a great athlete and the 2nd fastest runner in our entire school, was very involved in politics young, was doing school debates and was nominated class president.
The reason there was rarely any conservatives was because we were constantly indoctrinated, our teachers were making us watch CNN student news everyday and after 2016 during Trump's rise to president they were playing CNN like 3 times a day. And our teachers were constantly telling us about how bad and evil Trump was and how he was a threat to freedom and human rights. We were constantly watching movies about slavery that fabricated history, movies like roots, movies that would depict white Americans sailing to shores of Africa and storming tiki huts in the jungles of Africa at night to steal blacks and take them back to America to work in the cotton fields of the "deep evil red south". I was shocked when I learned just a couple years ago that slavery existed worldwide and was basically a norm, and still exists to this day, and that all races were enslaved. We were never told this in school, they essentially never told us but never denied it either and thereby crafted a belief in us that made us think it only existed in America, by only showing us movies and curriculum about slavery in America and nothing else.
I went off topic, but I'd like to add one last thing. I've noticed a constant pattern too, that liberals are alot more soft on the superficial level, but nasty on the inside once you get to know their true colors, lifestyle and personality. And with conservatives I've noticed they're very hard, tough, and sometimes even harsh (that may not be the right word) like a "i dont take crap from anyone" attitude on the superficial level, but once you get to know them, open up, and become closer, they're actually very down to earth, trustworthy, and nice. A key pillar belief in conservativism is the acknowledgment that all humans are inherently flawed no matter what, and you can only adapt to this, and no amount of changes to their environment and external factors can change that. I believe this is a key reason in why some conservatives portray a hard shell towards people, and are generally skeptical of strangers and seem to have a high guard on, whereas once they let you into their home and you become close they're very down to earth and kind. Progressives on the other hand don't really believe in this key tenet, and they believe all humans are perfect and it's their environments and external factors that make them flawed and commit acts of evil and wrong, and whatnot. And they appear alot more quirky and soft on the outside but are very very prejudiced, judgemental, rude, gossipy, and traitorous once you become closer to them. From my personal experience from dealing with dozens of them in my close life and dealing with hundreds of them in public in short term relationships or small interactions.
@@beneficent2557 if this was true you would provide some examples, not some vague fanfic
Unfortunately, most of us wouldn’t have the “skills” to keep this conversation going, let alone the knowledge to make relevant points. Another observation is that the energy and focus needed to sustain the conversation requires an athleticism that, again, most of us lack! It’s exhausting to watch! Thank goodness for the ads, that were like the bell between rounds!
Most entertaining debate I have seen. These guys did great. They were civil and listened to each other even though they disagreed. Why can’t the media do more of this?
Petition to have multiple conversation between the two forming a playlist
I’d play it at night to fall asleep to.
I was literally about to comment, "Where do I sign the petition to have this be a weekly podcast?"
Glad I wasn't the only one lol
This!! 100%
Yes❤
yepyepyep
I would gladly eavesdrop on the 4hr expansion of this conversation. I vote for a Part II. Or even a series of debates on refined topics.
Definitely a fantastic conversation
I agree. It was a great debate!
All this conversation proved is you two should have 1,000 more. You both welcome disagreement and can overcome the generational gap. When’s the next episode…
Most debates would benefit from multiple rounds of long form discussion. Unless your intent is to "win." Often times a chunk of the debate is just understanding what the other person is saying.
It's pretty rare to have two people in a room who understand this concept. Hopefully we get more. Took like multiple years to make this convo happen though@@thorinhannahs4614
What info from "Destiny" was accurate and not liberal talking points?
@@tedmonster66 So if you're making the claim all his info was incorrect, the onus is on you to provide the evidence, maybe show us something to tell us what was incorrect. Though also something being a talking point doesn't mean the info isn't inaccurate, I especially for talking points from the left, who prefer to actually reference scientists rather than whatever slop comes out of trumps mouth/twitter that morning.
You had me until you said especially talking points from the left. That is absurd. Both sides routinely speak out their back end with no sources or research to back them up. Watch any politician on the left talk about firearms for an easy example. They have absolutely no idea what they are talking about. It's a massive err to think your side is more intellectual than the other side. Both sides have roughly the same proportion of smart intellectuals to dumb follow the narrative types because that distribution exists in the human species. One side doesn't draw more than the other. @@redeyesb.dragonite8562
This was actually a good interview. Props to destiny for coming on
Very pleased to see Mr. Berrelli speaking with Jordan Peterson!
I thought it was Mr Morelli? Hahaha
You’re both wrong… it’s Mr. Brundell
@@rohitk2497 hahaha!!! I’m still laughing about that!!
Vanilli
Mr Fettucini please
Destiny really looked happy to be there and discuss with JP. I think it shows a lot of respect. And vice versa.
I've been following Destiny for quite a long time at this point, this had to have been his best conversation in years. JBP's a fantastic speaker.
yeah because it was one of his more easy discussions. ran rings around JP. I find JP to keep letting emotions interfere with his thought. he speaks on things he knows nothing about. Wish he would make his bed and make a proper comeback on topics he is well versed in. constantly out of his depth.
@squadedits-ht3tr that's missing the point entirely. They weren't there to "win". If you think that this talk is wasted on you.
@@stysner4580 i dont think you understand how quotes work haha. i never said win, snowflake.
@@stysner4580 learn how quotes work lol. just another over emotional JP stan
This is the most respectful heated debate I have ever seen. Absolutely amazing ❤
Except for destiny is just such a stupid person, he's basically Cuban with the added title of us citizen...
Peterson loves to listen to himself... Give your guests the opportunity to answer your questions.
Or… experience in the early parts of the conversation quickly showed Peterson that he needed to continue talking until he finished stating the entirety of his point. Because Peterson allowed himself to be interrupted and subsequently get wrapped up in defending micro-points of the larger picture. That derailed the conversation by constant migration of the topic. He got tired of that game quickly, hence the monologue response to rein in the chaos.
@@MCK3NZ13exactly
I wish I had professors like Jordan when I was in school
Earlier version of Jordan, yes.
I KNOW. It'd be a DREAM😊
A professor who get's mad when you disagree with him? No thanks
Hes just another stock standard right wing talking head...he just seems smarter.
@@simonfredheim9581 lol great point
that was genuinely a fast 2 hour convo
well done to both
The only way humanity will endure is by coming together. This is how it starts. Bravo gentlemen.
I like that
Be destiny being completely wrong and later studying the video and his information sources to make arguments he couldn't make in person? That's what happened and destiny just looked like a punk the whole time.
If people today arnt believing in Jesus Christ then it never going to happen
I used to be just like him. Then years into young adulthood I was around people like Peterson, and life got clearer. What I learned most was just how much understanding of a complex world and most of all, human nature.
Impressed that JP’s community is receiving this well in the comments. Nowadays it seems a roll of the dice whether a community will receive such a contentious conversation. Impressed by these two gentleman as always.
Sort by newest and you’ll see the anger behold you lol
Funnily enough, its the opposite audience that comes in rude, doing nothing reaponding to his points but just disparaginf his relationship.
Destiny's audience is pruned over time to be the open ones. He has had debatea from communists to nick fuentes. They aren't going to be offended by peterson.
@@JackSack-w5hcertainly not offended by jp. He was refreshingly good faith.
You can’t say the same for Destiny’s audience.
Destiny wanted so badly to be right about vaccine harm denialism and was just out of his league.
This was probably the best "debate" conversation between these kind of people in a while
I agree it was one of the best debates and the emotional hubris that represents the left Lost again!
@@habitat2990 Dude, I feel like we were watching two different debates lmao. Destiny was doing his usual thing of rapid-firing facts and opinions, Peterson was hyper emotional, esp when they got to the climate change and vaccine stuff.
@@OhWellWhatTheHell1There was crazy emotion flowing from them both of them- they just show it so differently. It was very interesting to watch!
@@OhWellWhatTheHell1 I don't know how many Russian bots are on this thread. Didn't Jordan Peterson go to Moscow for "detox"?
Yeah! I miss debates. UA-cam was full of them 6-7 years back!
I could've listened to another 4 hours of this. Debates like this don't happen enough anymore. Both Jordan Peterson and Destiny were able to get deep into the details of their stances without it becoming bad faith.
Not sure if JP changing definitions and contradicting himself constitutes bad faith or not. Asking for a friend
@@czechrebel It doesn't. there were no changing of definitions and contradictions. you suck at listening
Destiny did that too. That isn't an indication of bad faith, that is an indication that both of them were operating at the edge of their ability and that their initial formulations of the idea they were attempting to grapple with failed to live up to their own standards of validity, so they attempted to reformulate them.
@@czechrebel destiny is the worst. He's a good debater with horrible mindless NPC ideas. So are his defenders (you, probably)
@@brandongillett2616 *Super like*
Only time I've ever been able to handle Destiny for more than 4 seconds....
Nice work Jordan, Sir.
Maybe it's just me, but I really like how animated both of them are in this conversation
@@Noname-lw6hpbrother what lol
@@Noname-lw6hp that sounds like projecting your anxiety
@@Noname-lw6hpIt feels more like destiny is being careful not to be too confrontational, to not shut down the conversation
Yes, (except for at certain micro-points), the animation felt passionate and sincere rather than an explosion of hostility.
how many top comments can you have in one thread
This has to be one of my absolute favourites of Dr. Peterson's debates. I thoroughly enjoyed the breadth of topics covered, the short amount of time it took for the conversations to get deep and heated, and the fact that both gentlemen showed passion for the topics and their positions but did not, at any point, turn it into an argument with personal attacks. Bravo to both, I would love to see another interview with Destiny where you cover even more contentious problems!
well said and agreed, would love to see destiny back on
agreed 100% - this is how it's suppose to be when solving problems or resolving conflict via examining and discussing opposing ideas to reach the truth - it's this kind of dialectical engagement, this exchange of wisdom, that could really lead to major breakthroughs in the most challenging or stubborn of impasses or conundrums.
i didn't know who this destiny guy was - but i must admit, he impressed me more than most of the liberal leftists.
(possibly because he has that conservative background?)
great interview.
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Destiny looks like he smells
@@LodyC30Destiny is a filthy Marxist
@@matthewpeers1705
lol. mouldy cheese and cabbages 🤣
I think Peterson really enjoyed having a fiery conversation with someone on the left who could hold their own without having to resort to personal jabs. Allowing him to let his emotions fly and then come back and fourth between emotions on important topics. At the end I think he was impressed with Destiny and tipped his hat to a worthy opponent. I REALLY enjoyed this one.
Exact words I'd say. Yes. I enjoy both men respectively for their points even before this debate. Awaiting for round 2
Destiny isn't on the left lol he's a lukewarm liberal at best
Worthy opponent, perhaps, but maybe Dr. Peterson saw a bit of the student in Destiny. I just hope Destiny bears enough humility to remember what he learned.
Jordan usually gets exhausted when it comes to arguments because they usually lead to conflict and Jordan doesn't like conflict (though he hates delayed conflict even more) but watching him while he's in it is so mesmerizing
I think Destiny won this. More convincing in his arguments. Great debate.
I really enjoyed this conversation. It was fascinating.
Wow Mr. Genatelli makes an incredible guest! Thank you so much for hosting this interview.
I hope this meme sticks. Whenever I read a comment with a mispelling of that name, I hear finklestien in my head.
I thought we had mr Bornelli as the guest
I wonder if Jordan reads these and just thinks what the hell…
33:00
*Desticle Genatelli*
I kept on looking at the timestamps coz i really don't want this conversation to end. JBP Destiny part II please
Fr, it was getting really good towards the end. Lex needs to lock them in an airport interrogation room for 5 hours of peak content.
The comment section on this alone shows that this was a huge W for both parties involved.
Exactly
Cause they showed humility to agree with each other's good point
Both made good arguments, presented good information, didn't resort to personal attacks. All in all, a good discussion. Tempers got a bit heated tho. Peterson could do with a little less shouting and interrupting. Which surprised me, that's very unlike him. Normally he's very calm and collected in a discussion.
Anybody who thinks "destiny" represented himself well here needs to stop drinking soy lattes. It's hard to watch, or listen to such a sad, indoctrinated, demoralized and effeminate man for this long. If you think he made good points, you need to change yourself fundamentally to become a man. Peterson is also not the way. He merely points in the faint direction of the way.
@@xander9460yes that surprised me, but having a bit of emotion can be interesting for those of us watching.
I’ve never heard Destiny speak without wanting him to shut up until now. I enjoyed him being leveled headed in this, however, I do wish it was either longer or that you’d of allowed him to speak more. Maybe a part 2
Thank you for having Destiny on.
It's true you had presence
Facts. Big fan of him and JP.
Can we please get a 9 hour version of this debate! No insults. Very informative.
Do u have a job?
@@aggavan6860 do you have a weekend?
@@aggavan6860do you have any semblance of happiness or purpose in your life? 😂
Lashing out for no reason 😂😂
Although I feel you and could definitely sit through that in awe, I think 2 hours is enough. I mean hell, I already can't get most of my family or friends to sit through even 30 minutes of debate, much less 2 hours, this type of conversation / debate style needs to spread and become popular, so we need to keep it reasonable for everybody. That being said, it would be fantastic if they would come together again once or twice monthly as an ongoing series!
@@aggavan6860 believe it or not, but you can watch a video not all at once
I love this discussion!!! I just discovered Mr. Bonneccelli. And I might say I respect his perspective a lot. I like his thought process. And I hope for a part two of this discussion.
Mr. Botticelli was top tier as well.
Andrea Bocelli is The BEST
I love my Pirelli tyres
This was great agreed with both sides Jordan more but great discussion
2 hours is simply not enough. Much thanks for this
I feel like these two would have debated for 24 hours and not even realized they hadn't ate or slept yet.
Yeah we need 4 more hours of this. I could watch this all day
Got to hand it to Destiny. Almost everything I'd seen about him amounted to clips. I didn't have a good impression of him. I must admit that in a long form interview he acquitted himself far better than I assumed he would. I disagree with him on a lot of things but that doesn't matter much as long as people are communicating in good faith. I never sensed hidden agendas or duplicitousness. He's earned a measure of respect from me.
It highlights the fundamental manipulation of information that exists by decontextualizing individuals for ideological gain. Seeing the world through the lens of shortened clips can be extremely misleading and even Destiny expressed skepticism regarding any "clip less than 10 seconds." Everyone who is associated with a certain ideology usually falls victim to this in one way or another (ex. Jordan Peterson, Destiny, Trump, Biden, etc..)
He’s one of the few influencers on the left side of the spectrum that I actually respect and watch frequently .
Some of the points he digs his heels into really piss me off . But overall I appreciate his willingness to discuss, and change his opinions
Oh yeah i disagree with Destiny heavy on like 10 topics but i still watch him.
@@bidensson4643Exactly. Whenever clips of someone get my blood boiling I always try to remember that a short clip is not the best representation of their actual point of view.
I do wish we had more people that were authentic and well thought out in their positions, on both sides of the aisle. I think these people are pretty rare.
There's a lot of people that I agree with on a lot of subjects, that are still hot garbage when it comes to rationalizing those beliefs and/or engaging with the opposition.
It's funny (in a scary way) how many people I think agree with me, not because of carefully thought out policy approaches, but rather by pure dumb partisan luck.
I feel like im watching destiny argue with his dad. Im a big fan of both of these gentleman. Would love to see another follow up discussion.
Lmao this is exactly the vibe I was getting man. I have a conservative dad and I am kind of centered but definitely more to the left of my dad. The feeling this gave me was so similar to when we argue.
it reminded me of how i argue with my dad lol, really cool conversation
@@JTheHuntHistory has a habit of teaching us why idealism fails.
Absolutely loved this talk, we need another one soon!!
I want to see another conversation between these two. Both have an incredible ability to engage in actual conversation, to really listen and actually respond.
I'm not a JBP fan, but I have to give him props for that.
@@robf5230 I was a Destiny fan since 2015, I was a fan of Peterson for a few years since 2016, too. I believe the constant attacks of the woke mob infected his intellect with an anti-woke mindvirus, unfortunately, and slowly turned him into what they were accusing him of. I would give everything to see a conversation between 2024 Destiny and 2017 Peterson.
More info does not equate with more wisdom.
@@peterfoerderer8224 Obviously. How does that relate to my comment?
This is the best Jordan Peterson interview i ever seen 👏🏻
I'd say A tier.
There are several S tiers... 2nd Joe Rogan, Bjorn Laumberg, Warren Farrell, Camille Paglia, Bettina Arndt, Yeonmi Park, Christina Hoff Sommers, etc.
Most before 2022. Old JBP = epic
@@JD.......... Lol, yeonmi park is a grifter that fabricated and exaggerated her stories.
@@JD.......... his recent interview with Dr. Phil was also fantastic.
I wish the left and right could have more respectful yet passionate debates like this.
The problem is there’s money to be made and a cult of personality to be built by polarizing.
Each side has people of different levels of intellect, discussion and argument skillsets, and varying motivations. I enjoy when these people get matched up and talk are the best things to listen to.
Jordan, while not arguing in good faith, is at the bare minimum being respectful to destiny. Every argument I've ever been in with a conservative has devolved into ad hominem attacks, mistaking feelings for facts, or putting up a literal wall between them and simply opening a dictionary or googling a concept they don't understand. I too would love for more discussions like this but Trumps own personal unscrupulous and disrespectful behavior is inspiring the right to act likewise
@@personface108…..that’s exactly what Liberals do.
Call names(Nazis is the go to)
Big thing is that you can’t critique any other race, because that’s….. .
@@personface108 ….. I was reading your obviously false words & wondering when the TDS would come into play..
You nailed it🫡
I'd love to see this be a weekly segment!