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- Dr. Jordan B. Peterson sits down in-person with Steven Bonnell II, also known as Destiny. They discuss the differences between the left and the right, force versus invitation, the feasibility and pitfalls of command economies, the dangers of ideology, and government response to worldwide crises.
Destiny, also known as Steven Bonnell II, is a prominent political commentator and content creator known for his debate skills and provocative takes on various issues. With a passion for gaming, politics, and philosophy, Destiny engages in lively discussions that often challenge the status quo.
This episode was recorded on February 3rd, 2024
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(0:00) Tour info 2024
(0:40) Coming up
(1:18) Intro
(2:22) Early days of streaming, how Steven entered political commentary
(7:40) Changes in thinking: shifting to the left
(12:11) The key differences between left and right worldviews
(13:29) Intervention, distribution, gigantism, and populism
(23:42) Redistribution and command economies, can they work?
(29:32) Negative externalities, balancing free markets with incentivized behavior and their effects on the poor
(37:34) Climate and economic models: two Towers of Babel
(40:57) The timeframe of C02 models changes the outlook, so how far back should we consider?
(43:12) The green guise of compassion obscures underlying intent
(47:34) The psychology of those who utter, “There are too many people on the planet”
(49:46) Destiny’s Jenga Tower, an analogy for how people become stuck in their beliefs
(57:00) Why people fear nuclear energy
(58:30) Realities of the green energy pipe dream
(1:00:32) Is it malevolence or ignorance that drives bad ideas? Motives versus public perception
(1:03:19) Both parties wield power when they have it, so how do we mitigate it?
(1:07:37) Was WWII Germany right or left wing?
(1:09:19) Moses and the desert
(1:13:56) Living in separate realities and bridging the divide
(1:15:50) MRNA, validity of rollout and excess deaths
(1:24:34) It wasn’t just the left
(1:26:27) Weighing the fear of a crisis against the use of experimental technology
(1:30:00) Mass consensus
(1:37:38) Psychopathy and levels of malevolence
(1:43:10) Do marriage and society exist without force?
(1:47:50) Tit-for-tat, force or justice?
(1:59:11) Why Steven debates
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This feels like a father and son debating over the dinner table after the rest of the family had enough and went to bed... and its great lol
32:07
🤣 No, kidding ...
Is that what fathers are supposed to do?
@@SB-mr2nk the political/philosophical discussions I have with my father are some of the most important discussions of my life. Without patting myself on the back too much, I feel like I give him a nuance perspective into my generation, and he gives me an extremely grounded perspective into how we got to this point in the world. Best person I know to talk about anything
This is also how adult friends interacted when I was a child. I have wonderful memories of my parents and other couples they were friends with sitting around our kitchen table "debating" issues for hours. Drinking coffee and having some intense conversations with no malice, aggression, or hurt feelings. Even when they disagreed on the topics. And remaining friends despite their differences. Taught me a lot about how to be a real adult, stand for what you believe in while respecting other people's right to do the same. To also respectfully listen to other people's differing opinions with an open mind because we're never too old to learn from each other. I miss that so much these days.
Jordan told Destiny, "You have the right to your own Destiny" without a hint of irony. What a fantastic conversation.
1:13:11
He didn’t even give our girl Destiny a paper to roll up and fidget with. Hitler level evil
Baller!
Oh no I arrived late to comment that! Lol
Yea, great convo.
Wow, what a rarity! A non-moderated, true debate with plenty of yelling and passion, but not a single personal attack! And for 2 hours!
I hope this is a sign that the medium and participants are maturing. Doubtful but I can hope.
@@lameuser1they both have independent platforms. This was organized by themselves and not a network
I could’ve watched 6 more hours of this. Love that they can passionately clash ideas and never get personal. Also the Good Dr’s Jacket was 🔥
Yes! (Re: that jacket. Dr P is a snappy dresser. That is, his attention on his attire is stylish and innovative…. (can I say) ‘for a man’? Well I just did cause he is one. (Both snappy dresser and a man)
You need to raise your standards
@@edmonddantes563 atleast I don't socially engage in the comments of videos I don't even like💀
I love a debate with zero personal attacks.
Thats a great point, how rare tbh.
I dont agree with Destiny almost at all but I respect him for being a good faith actor. If only more lefties where like that, conversations could get somewhere.
@@vakuzarthe point is not to get anywhere, as a whole neither side is trying to build something better, each side wants to win for themselves, no matter what, that’s all
@@34fdfgbr I too use insults when I have nothing of substance to say XD
@@34fdfgbr nice personal attack.
@@34fdfgbrWelp. Tick that "personal attacks" counter to 1 because of you.
The subtle, unspoken, mutual apologies for getting too worked up were things of absolute beauty. I'd love to see much more between these two.
I do see what you're talking about, but I would (somewhat parasocially) guess that destiny does not really see getting "worked up" as a negative thing he'd have to apologize for. He's said before that he enjoys conversations like that much more than never truly getting into the details. My guess is that JBP is probably the same way.
Destiny doesn't view it as a problem, but he absolutely recognizes it normally conveys high tension friction and overly combativeness, which he's specifically tried to not be swept up in. Finkelstein Debate is another such example, he kept his cool, even if just for appearances, so while he personally doesn't dislike the high tension verbal "fights", when it comes to getting your point across to a different audience, he's made a point of making sure not to get swept up in raising the temperature, or mudslinging (although mudslinging didn't occur here, despite the tone almost seeming to indocate it could happen).
If an apology is both subtle and unspoken then that’s not an apology
@@kyle8688if it's heard then it's an apology
@@kyle8688 it doesn't need to be a verbalised apology to recognize there was an acknowledgement of tempers flaring or the temperature increasing, for both parties to feel the need and want to cooperate to decrease the tension in the room. If you want to argue semantics, we'll probably be here all day.
This is probably one of the best conversations/debate I have seen in a long time and more of these need to happen.
I love how fast they both talk and respond to each other. It makes this one of the best debates I've ever seen.
I need adderall after this, it’s lowkey verbal diarrhea coming out of both of them
No I fucking hated it. I hate how fast destiny talks, you can clearly see the femininity just spewing out of him.
Never in my life did I think I would see this pairing, I admire the diversity of guests on this podcast.
His daughter is friends with Lauren Southern. Who apparently had his bastard child. After his experiment with cuckoldry and marital failure.
"So maybe it wasn't a good idea to let your wife get ran through by random dudes for money. Okay, okay.."
Always so important to have diverse viewpoints. Good thing there is a strong black italian woman being included in the discourse finally.
Peterson does try to get many more left leaning people on but they almost always refuse. It is very disappointing as I would love to see a divergent range of thought/opinions. Kudos to Destiny for stepping up.
Destiny does always talk more to conservatives than other leftists do. @@zarbins
Jordans suit game is outta this world
Christian orthodox aesthetics 🔥
Yeah that is a bold choice
@@reghtycringe
It’s awful
He wore that during the visit to sioux-falls. I asked him if he would be willing to trade, straight up, for mine. Got a solid laugh. No blazers were exchanged that evening. But memories were made.
I just came back from seeing Dr Peterson in person tonight ...his show was awesome and interactive ! Today was also my birthday. He is the best gift I ever got for my birthday besides the birth of my kids ! 🎉I was a die hard fan but now that I’ve seen him in person I cannot begin to explain how elated I feel !!!!! Keep up the good work Dr Peterson !!!!! 😊
Happy Birthday
What a blessing. Happy belated birthday 👍🏼
Were you at the El Paso show? I was there
Intellectual honesty is in such short supply in today's debate-sphere. Take notes, debaters.
Mr Vermicelli was surprisingly respectful and well tempered. Great talk.
Yeah he walked the line gracefully
Except during the vaccine bit
Yup Mr barmelli was nice today lol
Mr. Burelli used his wiki knowledge to make the conversation interesting.
Basssseeeddddd
51 minutes in, things are tense, the fadeaway to the advertisement had me DYING of laughter
Such is the daily wire
the only fadeaway i saw was destiny's beard. dude slipped in the shower while shaving.
@@nothingspecial1241it's likely alopecia barbae. Funny how his recent interviews always have that spot of his beard facing the camera though lol. It can grow back but he should just shave the sides until it does.
@@stillnotchill2560 It is alopecia, Destiny brought it up several times on stream.
Edit: Also he did shave the sides xD
Yo this shit makes me so sick. Why do they cover up the actual content with the ad. Why don't they just pause the content and show the ad?
I must say, the few people i surround myself with are people i can have conversations/ Debates with like this. It's actually very enjoyable...😊
Kudos to Jordan for not using force and strangling him.
No doubt, my computer screen is lucky to be unscathed. I so agree, condescending Ritalin talking too fast knowing too little. Humble much?
Why? Both sides were very civil during the entire debate. It's ok to disagree with someone without feeling the need to strangle them. That was kinda the whole point of this
@@mad7stringer Absolutely agree with what you said And I enjoy a good debate always. I just think it's always standard decorum for somebody that's that much longer than somebody to show a little more reverence for the fact that person has much more life experienced and for that reason alone possibly may know a tiny bit more. Or, maybe he doesn't, but it still would shown the other guy to be more intelligent & classy had he yielded to the elder Respect thing.
“ guys please you’re ruining Easter for the whole family”
😂😂😂😂😂
BUT I DON'T TRUST PEOPLE THAT USE FORCE, NOW LEMME HALF MY URANIUM ENRICHED KOOL AID. Grandpa, you called the cops on the "shady" people that moved next door. SO?! oh irony. Destiny says there's hypocrisy and abuses of power on both sides. JP: BUT THE LEFT... Just cause you use multi syllable words and have a degree in sociology don't make you an expert in big data modeling, idiot.
Too late, Biden already ruined it.
You mean trans visibility day😂😂😂
@@Snowflake_Destroyer waaahhh
I started to think this interview never happened because it took a long time to be released
Were you edging or were you gooning?
Not everyone uses spotify
@@nyChannel09I don't use Spotify for podcast and I wasn't really complaining
To be fair we had reason to doubt given Destiny used a JP interview as a bait & switch before
@@RedactedUsernameWe certainly had a reason
When destiny talks I had to check my settings to make sure the speed wasn't at 1.25
I kept thinking "slow it down, Ben Shapiro" (no insult intended to Destiny though)
He kept trying to get his words out before Peterson interrupted him again. I love Jordan, it’s one of his largest flaws and he needs to work on listening for the sake of smooth conversational flow.
@@MilitaryDog.I think Jordan Peterson is used to sparring with people with much lower intelligence than he has and he hears all of the same rhetoric over and over. I don’t blame him for immediately countering that same bs he’s heard and proven to be incorrect. Destiny was silenced SEVERAL times because he was just plain wrong. And Destiny knew he was wrong. He wasn’t speaking quickly for fear of interruption, he speaks quickly whenever he tries to put a point out that he doesn’t truly believe. I personally can’t stand Destiny but I’ll give him this - He is good at arguing and he knows it. That’s why he doesn’t have any sides or beliefs he’ll fight for. He has made Devils Advocate his entire personality. He even argues with people who agree with him. 😂
@@Angiegrl I’ll refer to your expertise. You seem to know more about that Destiny kid than I do. This is my first time hearing the name.
Amazingly good debate. Regardless if you're leaning left or right, this was just so good and intellectually satisfying. Thank you!
As a conservative, I am now skeptical aboul both gigantic business and government. It's especially dangerous because they are working together.
Government enables big businesses to exist.
Think back to Teddy Roosevelt you’ll see why he was a Trust Busting conservative
Great comment. Centralized power in general is always concerning to me
Hence why you shouldn't keep voting I'm the same asswipe parties...stop voting republican abd democrat
As a liberal, I am happy conservatives are now seeing the issue with big business. About 10 years back there was a fairly significant libertarian movement on the right, especially regarding Ron Paul and the tea party where they wanted big business to have 0 limitations and ultimately complete control. Scary when those same corporations without limitations would also without limitation take their money in towards lobbyists behind closed doors to basically be the government themselves without anyone seeing it.
Liberals, including myself, nowadays also see the problem with big government in hindsight, especially when war is concerned. If you ask any liberal which president killed the most people in history, it wasn't a conservative, but Barack Obama. Its a fact, and hard for other libs to swallow.
Thank you for having Mr. Bonerelli on. I always enjoy when people from different sides of the political spectrum talk to each other.
It was great to see Mr. Borelli on here!
Destiny has some reasonable views
Good to know, *HostileTakeover555.*
@@stendaalcartography3436 - Indeed - I like that since JP is a Psychologist that it makes for a more interesting interview/debate unlike one Mr. Cuchinelli has done before.
@@NickTheShark_he doesn't have any views. He is a nihilist internet debate bro. He believes in nothing.
I've never seen Jordan like this. Have i not seen enough or is this uncommon? He handle each others "tactics" very well. Its like wisdom vs intelligence rap battle. (although they are both very intelligent)
The pure joy Jordan got from an actual debate must be so rewarding 😂
Intellectual honesty. Nice!
This wasn't a debate, really. JP debated Dillahunty, Sam Harris, and Zizek. They were all L's for him.
@@chekz3520facts
lol, what ever you say buddy@@chekz3520
@chekz3520 you are ignorant, wrong and clearly never watched those conversations 😂😂😂😂😂
This kinda feels like a professor talking to one of the smart students in class and I’m really the shop class guy watching from the window.
LMAO
You give destiny a lot of credit calling him a smart student.
He isn't. He just has a good memory and has read the first 3 results of many Google searches that already agree with what he thinks.
thats one of the more popular definitions of a smart student.@@KurNorock
@@KurNorock my guess is you should be there with Jordan Peterson instead of Destiny? nope you'll still be just a loser throwing shade at him from a youtube comment section, whoops!
you clearly haven't watched a single stream@@KurNorock
You may not get it but this was the best debate ever. There was never better debate in terms of passion and world clashing.. and realizations. Proove me wrong. And get this.. they were not debating as “same side”.
This was a beautiful debate! I love it
This was honestly great, & both made good points. So nice to watch
Bro I’m so here for this. I love how more podcasts are doing the left/right crossover. I respect both these gentlemen.
It would be nice to have more of them but the only people I've seen from the left that are willing to do it are Destiny and Ana Kasparian.
Well, Cenk went on a couple during his 'presidential run' but IMO it was only to grandstand and try for 'gotchas'. He didn't seem interested in having a real discussion.
This used to be the norm.
It's weird you think this is so novel 🙄
@@TheNancypooWhen was it the norm? I’m only 26 and this is pretty unique to me (since I’ve been old enough to remember and appreciate it)
I would n🎉describe Destiny as a gentleman
@@Kurnheliosim 29. This was before our time. Firing line is a good example. Check out Thomas Sowell on there, its incredible.
I noticed something very important in this debate. Both were willing to clarify definitions on multiple occasions.
That makes everything consistent and they are both in the same terms in what they're talking about. There's something relaxing and satisfying when the conversation is this clear
Which makes it all very entertaining and engaging right to the end.
Both are also activily engaging ain listening and trying to understand what other person is saying, instead of the usual where there is one person who is doing very little listening but a huge lot of assuming
So much better than name calling
If only more people cared about definitions. Instead we assume the worst and end up arguing about 2 different things, while thinking we are arguing about the same thing. Which is just a waste of time.
It’s incredibly refreshing to hear a healthy disagreement. Something that is hard to find these days.
It's commendable that Jordan highlighted how whenever Destiny finds himself cornered or losing an argument, he tends to completely redefine the topic at hand. Some examples that come to mind include insisting on redefining "force" or "status" during debates.
where do you think he got ‘cornered’ again?🤡
I think you have it backwards. Jordan started squirming and getting visibly upset when Destiny corrected his claim that we have never forced anyone to take vaccines, when we have throughout our history. That was nonsense and Jordan looked foolish for saying it. I'm sorry.
The clips are not doing this conversation justice. The clips make it seem like the conversation was very contentious but they are very civil to each other. This was wonderful thank you for the video!
Same thing I thought too. Clips really paint the wrong energy of the conversation
100%
That's exactly what I thought.
The clippers strongly rely on the assumption that no one has the attention span to watch the original, that's why they upload strategically clipped shorts to paint the discussion in whatever light they want. Unfortunately it's working, as you can clearly see the difference between the comments section here, vs the comments sections on shorts.
You took the words out of my mouth!
The debate on vaccines and climate change was actually fun to listen to. I like when debate opponents actually acknowledge what the other one is saying and address it instead of running down their own dialogue tree.
Like how neither of them or you realize that not a single pediatric vaccine in the US has ever been safety tested 😂
Or how there’s no way to record the average temperature of the earth, least of all no way to model the infinite number of variables. If there was, banks and corporations would be using the algorithm, not the fuckin weather man 🤣
You simpletons will fall for any propaganda
You literally have to have 30 iq to not get the "vaccines" was a money grab
@nft3 NPC
@@polpottopgyou’re the npc because you dont know that a single pediatric vax has ever been safety tested 😂
@@zakeaton5632you'd think that would make you more apprehensive about the vaccine not less .
@1:27:26 I am suprised that Destiny does not acknowledge that they literally had definitions re-defined during the pandemic to bypass vaccine laws because the "vaccine" was not approved as a real safe vaccine. I followed what the WHO and EU did with vaccine laws during this period and its frightening how fast and quite they were about this.
Would love to see more from these two. Great discussion.
The interview is actually real
I still cant believe it, lmao
Thanks Lex
How old is this
@@dashockpixle4140I believe it was filmed on February 2nd or 3rd
lets see how much destiny wanted to cut out
These guys had such natural chemistry they could easily do this regularly and have enormous success. Don’t sleep on this rare dynamic that’s been uncovered. It’s special.
Yeah there is something happening here that feels entirely productive.
Good point
I doubt they collaborate again for a while. It’s a shame though, this convo was really good.
Initially I didn't feel it that much, but by the end of the conversation I think it was good.
I agree their chemistry/dynamic completely captured my attention
1:55:46 this is absolutely accurate. There is NOTHING worse than waiting for the justice that you believe you must face.
Destiny it was NOT Biden alone that said the vaccine would get rid of transmission. NIH officials and CDC officials said the same thing.
Did they say it got rid? Or reduced?
Fauci himself said it
@@kylemcmahon9868 They absolutely said reduce lol
@SquishJessica in the beginning they said " got rid of"
@@adamcox6960fauci said it 1 time. If you look at the bulk of the messages from the go and people like fauci, then its clear they ran a campaign that said it would reduce.
Maybe it's just me, but I really like how animated both of them are in this conversation
@@Noname-lw6hpbrother what lol
@@Noname-lw6hp that sounds like projecting your anxiety
@@Noname-lw6hpIt feels more like destiny is being careful not to be too confrontational, to not shut down the conversation
Yes, (except for at certain micro-points), the animation felt passionate and sincere rather than an explosion of hostility.
how many top comments can you have in one thread
Peterson back in fire, this is up there with the 2018 video that’s gone down in the annals of history I’d think!
This a type of conversation that EVERY person with a strong opinion should seek. Find someone who disagrees with you but can tolerate discussing it with you.
Probably one of JP’s most interesting talks I’ve heard in a while. Very good pairing here.
Impressed by destiny
These guys should argue more often. I'm a destiny fan but it's so good to see someone intelligently push back and make him go a level or 2 deeper or make him use precise language particularly because Peterson is intently listening and engaging.
Give us a once a month argument about anything 🤣
Yes, I particularly liked their back and forth on vaccines. It really challenged my beliefs on both sides and I think they both made excellent points. It’s very rare to see those sorts of conversations where you can see people with opposing perspectives and agree with both in different aspects.
@@arenegadeboss Right? Feel like Destiny's the only person I've personally seen that had Dr. P stopping and thinking a bit more than usual about his reasoning.
@@drearmouse9510Yes I agree, and coming from the side of a Destiny fan, this is one of the first times I’ve truly seen someone make him stop and think about his reasoning.
This is why it’s so important to have smart people from both sides debate complex topics, it’s the only way we can move forward as a country and as a people. Very impressed by both and I hope they do this again.
The way Jordan Peterson can review the conversation on command and recall a point from the beginning of the convo to then apply it with surgical precision is quite incredible
Great observation. I just started watching the video but I totally get your point and have seen it many times. I wish I could do that or could even retain just a tiny bit of the things I read like JP can.
He's a clinical psychologist
My wife can do this and I find it OP and unfair lol
@@mandrewski2742 all i can say in regards to such a skill is with great power comes great responsibility 🤣
I thought he lost this argument and I didn't want him to
A regular discourse between these two figures would be a great service to world politics.
Well done to both of these gentlemen who can sit and have an intelligent conversation. The other guy is an intersting character.
Great conversation !
Destiny really looked happy to be there and discuss with JP. I think it shows a lot of respect. And vice versa.
I've been following Destiny for quite a long time at this point, this had to have been his best conversation in years. JBP's a fantastic speaker.
I applaud both for this conversation. It got heated and yet remained cordial with no personal attacks. Very well done. We need more of this
Destiny was too hasty to conclude that there were predictions by the conservatives about the side effects of the vaccines of which none of the predictions came through. There were actually side effects, although it might not have been pronounced as expected.
I agree. Things have gotten so bad I can't even talk to my best friend about politics it's sad
Which is odd , since Destiny usually leans on personal attacks in debate
Got heated because JP yelled at someone half his age that he doesn't TRUST PEOPLE THAT USE FORCE when that wasn't even the argument in the first place 😂
@@jizim8947do more listening than talking. Also take notes. But Destiny is running laps around JP here. Destiny said we live in different worlds with different facts and that more people should be present in the same space. JP ignored that because he was too busy to yell.
When Jordan sits up in his chair you know the conversation just got interesting lol
I think that Dr. Peterson should interview Patrick Smith from the Anarchast podcast. It would be interesting to hear them talk for a couple hours.
This interview is giving me nostalgia from Old School JP debates. I'm very encouraged at the intellectual honesty both men had, no personal attacks, no assuming other person's perspective, just speaking about the issues
Just, you know, climate change science is equivalent to nazis...that part is pretty dishonest
Destiny is not an intellectual. Sorry about that. He made his name off of TDS
@FastAndEasy2010 not climate science, the movement behind climate science, you didn't pay enough attention apparently
Yes but the interview is a good example of why the left avoids debate and relies on censorship and paid influencers
@@FastAndEasy2010your right the Nazis raised their people's standard of living
This is the most respectful heated debate I have ever seen. Absolutely amazing ❤
This is one of the best discussions I've ever listened to.
Even when they got worked up and upset with each other their interaction was amazing and rather hilarious too.
So good to see JP looking healthy again.
Amen KetoVore
no
You rarely ever see Peterson like this. It's fantastic to watch.
I've never seen him like this.
He's used to people agreeing with him on everything
@@user-qd8ou9lo4x He's tired of the facade and lies. Quite a lot of us are at this point.
@@user-qd8ou9lo4xhe’s probably not use to talking to midwits that just rattle off talking points that the person saying them doesn’t even understand. Zero original thoughts, all partisan hackery
That's actually the opposite. His rise to fame was because of talking with people that disagreed with him.@@user-qd8ou9lo4x
Best debate ive ever seen, and seems like both are more or less open to debate and hearing the other side. and the counters are good on both sides.
This is one of the best conversations/debates i have seen. Respectful throughout.
I wish I had professors like Jordan when I was in school
Earlier version of Jordan, yes.
I KNOW. It'd be a DREAM😊
A professor who get's mad when you disagree with him? No thanks
Hes just another stock standard right wing talking head...he just seems smarter.
@@simonfredheim9581 lol great point
The comment section on this alone shows that this was a huge W for both parties involved.
Exactly
Cause they showed humility to agree with each other's good point
Both made good arguments, presented good information, didn't resort to personal attacks. All in all, a good discussion. Tempers got a bit heated tho. Peterson could do with a little less shouting and interrupting. Which surprised me, that's very unlike him. Normally he's very calm and collected in a discussion.
Anybody who thinks "destiny" represented himself well here needs to stop drinking soy lattes. It's hard to watch, or listen to such a sad, indoctrinated, demoralized and effeminate man for this long. If you think he made good points, you need to change yourself fundamentally to become a man. Peterson is also not the way. He merely points in the faint direction of the way.
@@xander9460yes that surprised me, but having a bit of emotion can be interesting for those of us watching.
The format for this debate/discussion is fire. Thank you thank you thank you Jordan.
You know Jordan’s about to cook when he sits up straight and starts moving his hands😂
I wish the left and right could have more respectful yet passionate debates like this.
The problem is there’s money to be made and a cult of personality to be built by polarizing.
Each side has people of different levels of intellect, discussion and argument skillsets, and varying motivations. I enjoy when these people get matched up and talk are the best things to listen to.
Jordan, while not arguing in good faith, is at the bare minimum being respectful to destiny. Every argument I've ever been in with a conservative has devolved into ad hominem attacks, mistaking feelings for facts, or putting up a literal wall between them and simply opening a dictionary or googling a concept they don't understand. I too would love for more discussions like this but Trumps own personal unscrupulous and disrespectful behavior is inspiring the right to act likewise
@@personface108…..that’s exactly what Liberals do.
Call names(Nazis is the go to)
Big thing is that you can’t critique any other race, because that’s….. .
@@personface108 ….. I was reading your obviously false words & wondering when the TDS would come into play..
You nailed it🫡
These two guys could argue forever. The second half of this was gold. I'd love to see another one with these two. This was great. Round 2 please. Somebody make it happen.
Peterson said at the end of the conversation/debate that they will talk more.
@yupimawesome hm really? Are you sure about that bud? Hm? Are you confident? Yea? Feeling confident about what you just commented? Well I'll have you know, I lost my dad in a boating accident on 2/7/04 and after he died we went through his belongings and found out he had a child bride in Thailand.
What a world!
@@boogie8586 Ain no way bucco . @yupimawesome must be quakin in his boots rn
@@krappa1234 yes I truly showed him and put him in his place, like the giga Chad I am, ofc😎😈
I do hope he brings mr. Borrelli back for a second round
One of the best debates i've seen in years, What a treat.
Telling someone, “or else” is force. 1:35:40
One of Jordan's best interviews by a large margin.
Yeah if you're a Destiny Stan who has only listened to this one interview...
@@andrewstarr8062you all over the comments crying jp had an interesting conversation, your brain is rotted
@@andrewstarr8062who hurt you lol
yeah i would not declare that so quickly. But i enjoyed it a lot. @@andrewstarr8062
Yep, it was an immaculate debate by two excellent intellectuals on opposite political spectrum.
All this conversation proved is you two should have 1,000 more. You both welcome disagreement and can overcome the generational gap. When’s the next episode…
Most debates would benefit from multiple rounds of long form discussion. Unless your intent is to "win." Often times a chunk of the debate is just understanding what the other person is saying.
It's pretty rare to have two people in a room who understand this concept. Hopefully we get more. Took like multiple years to make this convo happen though@@thorinhannahs4614
What info from "Destiny" was accurate and not liberal talking points?
@@tedmonster66 So if you're making the claim all his info was incorrect, the onus is on you to provide the evidence, maybe show us something to tell us what was incorrect. Though also something being a talking point doesn't mean the info isn't inaccurate, I especially for talking points from the left, who prefer to actually reference scientists rather than whatever slop comes out of trumps mouth/twitter that morning.
You had me until you said especially talking points from the left. That is absurd. Both sides routinely speak out their back end with no sources or research to back them up. Watch any politician on the left talk about firearms for an easy example. They have absolutely no idea what they are talking about. It's a massive err to think your side is more intellectual than the other side. Both sides have roughly the same proportion of smart intellectuals to dumb follow the narrative types because that distribution exists in the human species. One side doesn't draw more than the other. @@redeyesb.dragonite8562
It's not force itself that crosses the moral line. It's the initiation of force that is an issue. Defensive force is morally fine. 1:47:11
Very Illuminating Dr. Peterson. Thankyou. I've been wanting to know more about this chap.
This was probably the best "debate" conversation between these kind of people in a while
I agree it was one of the best debates and the emotional hubris that represents the left Lost again!
@@habitat2990 Dude, I feel like we were watching two different debates lmao. Destiny was doing his usual thing of rapid-firing facts and opinions, Peterson was hyper emotional, esp when they got to the climate change and vaccine stuff.
@@OhWellWhatTheHell1There was crazy emotion flowing from them both of them- they just show it so differently. It was very interesting to watch!
@@OhWellWhatTheHell1 I don't know how many Russian bots are on this thread. Didn't Jordan Peterson go to Moscow for "detox"?
Yeah! I miss debates. UA-cam was full of them 6-7 years back!
Thank you for having Ms. Boncinelli on the show. I always appreciate when two people on opposite sides of the autism spectrum can have a civil debate
I’m forever now describing the variation in autism as the Peterson end and the Destiny end. Golden observation
Lmaoo well done
I don’t understand. Is this your attempt at being funny?
In the brilliant words of Mrs Candace Owens to destiny “aren’t you too old to be acting and thinking the way you do?”
Opposite sides of the spectrum, and opposite sexes
I would've loved it if all the links to citated facts were available. For example I can't find the excess deaths increased by 20% stat.
Throughly enjoyed the conversation! My brother and I have similar conversations every Wednesday evening
the beginning of the discussion feels like a therapy session
jordan is a trained clinical psychologist so it only makes sense
Wow, yes, i didnt notice until now.
I mean peterson was a clinical psychologist no? Makes sense that he would use some his training even outside of his professional capacity.
Jordan always starts debates/interviews in therapist mode :P
@@xitaris5981 and he ended up diagnosing Destiny with ASPD 🤣
This Tyrion vs Tywin Lannister debate was too good
LOL
Holy shit lol
😭😭😭
I felt like I had seen this dynamic before and you just blew my mind
Exactly 👍
lol 😂
Love this!!
This Destiny guy is extremely intelligent and articulate. I’ve seen him in other debates, for a young man he has a very bright future. Of course Dr Peterson is intelligent as well he is/was a professor.
Jordan, you are the Paul of this time.
Great job, you and your family deserve the best.
This was an outstanding debate between two people operating with decorum and good faith. That said.....Destiny absolutely nailed Peterson on almost every point of fundamental disagreement.
No
I wish. Sadly Peterson simply has the better and more logical argument on every point.
I wanted Destiny to come with some better arguments than what the left usually uses but he didn’t and Peterson used the same old talking points of the right and Destiny had no chance.
Either way, the left and the right are both wrong and they’re both one sided.
The real answer is in the nuance. Things that neither side brings up.
Great talk between Mr. Peterson and Mr. Morelli
No.
😂
@@nft3 Heh I am so cool by writing short edgy responses that are open to diverse interpretation
that's Mr. Motormouth Morelly for you.
@@comicsans6487 no it's Mr. Moronelli
Mr Cincinatti was super respectful in this conversation, great talk.
Mr Martelli
I spit out my coffee at this comment; I regret that I only have one like to give
Mr Spaghetti
Imagine being a jp viewer and seeing all these dgg comments lol
@@aries8910the psyop is in full effect dggL
Great debate would love to see a series of just you guys
Completely outclassed. Dr. Peterson is a class act.
Impressed that JP’s community is receiving this well in the comments. Nowadays it seems a roll of the dice whether a community will receive such a contentious conversation. Impressed by these two gentleman as always.
Sort by newest and you’ll see the anger behold you lol
Funnily enough, its the opposite audience that comes in rude, doing nothing reaponding to his points but just disparaginf his relationship.
Destiny's audience is pruned over time to be the open ones. He has had debatea from communists to nick fuentes. They aren't going to be offended by peterson.
@@user-by6fp4ov3kcertainly not offended by jp. He was refreshingly good faith.
You can’t say the same for Destiny’s audience.
Destiny wanted so badly to be right about vaccine harm denialism and was just out of his league.
Incredible discussion. When can we get a round 2?
Get this to the top
Why? To get more:
Peterson: here is hard data
Destiny: yeah but I feel like....
?
@@zlkanglwrth2776 Peterson did this just as much as Destiny
@@Kirito_2016 absolutely.
And his attempt to be full-on anti-vaxxxxer was cringe. Starts with some vaccines might be safe. Then they are safe, but just too many at once. Then it’s just the mRNA that scientifically bad. Then it’s just distrust because of coercion, but the vaccines themselves weren’t the problem.
It wasn't that MRNA is/was bad, just that it wasn't tested enough
Love this! More of this please! Love watching Peterson getting passionate.
What a hell of a compliment to that guy! You are a hell of a debater.
This needed to be 3x longer! IMO. It was extremely satisfying to see this conversation happen. Thank you to both Dr Peterson and Destiny. ❤
Thank God it wasn't. Peterson really just talks a lot and could benefit from becoming more concise. Maybe you are a Peterson fan, and it wasn't as noticeable, but coming from Destiny's audience, it made many parts tough to listen to
@joesecord3066 i am a regular destiny viewer and i generally disagree with you. The only times i feel like jordan needs to speed it up is when it is religious, due to my lack of interest.
IKR! Now I want Daily Wire+
@@joesecord3066I really enjoyed Peterson. Although he got a little heated, it was coool to see him actually argue against destiny on shit that conservatives run away from when on destiny’s stream.
Really really enjoyable.
@@joesecord3066
Destiny viewer here. I enjoyed. Acting like destiny fans are used to higher discussion is a joke.
This is core destiny.
No ad-hominems. This is the way it should ALWAYS be in debates.
😂❤
Distinction between right and wrong becomes irrelevant upon the unyielding fields of subliminal enterprise, must a discussion pertaining to efficacy denote the honoury? How I admire you both, this is the best advocation for reasonableness yet.
Bravo 😅
Lol you don’t see much
@@jimjohn9041 nay brother, I see all
I know right! It’s funny/sad how it seems so abnormal and note worthy watching a 2 hour long debate between polar opposites completely devoid of ad hominem lobbing, and only a handful of moments of voice elevation and head shaking. Perhaps these two could conduct debate classes for would be and current politicians alike…🤔🤷🏾♂️
Fantastic debate, It is so refreshing to listen to two people have smart heated conversation. Bravo to the both of you. Thanks for letting me watch. Cheers
The misunderstanding of the Pope always catches me off guard. But, THE WORLD NEEDS TO WATCH AND LEARN FROM THIS CONVERSATION! AWESOME!
This is exactly why free speech is so damn important.
Without it we can never talk to each other
be honest do you even want to talk to them
Peterson didn't let Destiny speak at all though lol
@@victorespino5650no, it’s Destiny that doesn’t have anything to contribute.
He’s an idiot.
Free speech protects you from the government and it has been like that since the dawn of this nation
@@victorespino5650 right? He was shouting the entire time and interrupted him left right and centre. Super disappointed...
This was actually one of the most interesting and dynamic debates either of the participants have engaged in quite some time. Kudos to both Dr. Peterson and Destiny for both giving as good as they got.
Right? I did not expect this level of conversation between a blue haired gamer and an exiled Psychology Professor.
Exiled? You mean thrown out of the Canadian Cult? Because that's exactly what happened.@@SubvertTheState
this was amazing
It's a gem amongst the debates, I hope it will go viral.
I think "thrown out" and exiled can mean the same thing lol@@mikesmith9501
Let's pit Destiny against Ben Shapiro to see who can spit out more words per minute.
That's totally already happened. Check out Lex Friedman
The vaccines increased risk of transmission due to serval factors. one was people feeling like they could not transmit (due to the advertising) so adjusted their behavior, and the other was it decreased the severity of symptoms to the point where an infected individual could be asymptomatic yet still have the same or higher levels of the virus present in thir nose and throat. Preventing them from noticing symptoms and self isolating.
also destiny claims the 'vaccines' were never promised to prevent infection consitently yet somehow they inocculated people (thus being called vaccines)?
Petition to have multiple conversation between the two forming a playlist
I’d play it at night to fall asleep to.
I was literally about to comment, "Where do I sign the petition to have this be a weekly podcast?"
Glad I wasn't the only one lol
This!! 100%
Yes❤
yepyepyep
Please can we get a part 2? These conversations are great, and we need more of this in the media
Really? The psychologist and the uninformed dumbass?
BEST DEBATE EVER.😮
Please consider a second long-form discussion! The chemistry was through the roof, and there is no better combination of people so politically opposed while remaining a) intellectually respectable, b) clear in expression, and c) civil in conduct.
The unique productivity here would be a gift to the world if you started a podcast together.
"Destiny" is intellectually dishonest. He either plays the contrarian fukhed or is an actual dumass
Definately agree, 2 hours was too short!
Respectable? Destiny is a smug half brain who argues in bad faith. When Jordan calls him out on his worldview and asks him to defend it, Destiny can only scoff and say, “Well what’s your big brain plan?” Destiny doesn’t have the intellectual rigor to even be in the same room, and certainly not debating.
hahaha agreed
absolutely agreed