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Wooden Hive vs 3D Printed Hex Hive, You Decide ! !
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- Опубліковано 14 сер 2024
- Hey all,
In this video I compare two different Hive Kit set ups. First we look at the updated Vevor 20 Frame Hive Kit with Observation windows. The second kit we look at is the newly released 3D printed Hex Hives.
Vevor: s.vevor.com/bf...
Hex Hives: www.hexhives.com/
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Timeline:
0:00 - Intro
0:16 - What we are Reviewing
1:00 - Vevor Hive Kit
4:30 - Hex Hives
9:23 - Recap & Thoughts
Equipment Used to Film:
GoPro Hero 12 Black with DJI Mic
Edited with Final Cut Pro X
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Thanks for the review Brian! Looking forward to seeing you place a colony 👏🐝
Did you just delete my comment?
Brian, love ya man but... The Vevor is still slat boards. On the printed hive you should have gone into more detail on what printer(s) you used with the size and quality. Small and inexpensive printers will never print the parts and the print tolerance is low.
I have several Prusa and Bambu. You need a fairly large print bed.
Printers are getting better and cheaper every year, won’t be long until they are a common house hold item 🤷♂️
In your video you showed an unenclosed printer, to print ASA filament for outdoor use you need an enclosed printer otherwise the parts will warp when printed..
Also parts printed on an FDM printer will not be 100% waterproof, eventually water will ingress!
The company suggested PETG, so that is what I used. I plan to seal the outer cover, so that will help.
Do we really need more plastic?
Unfortunately, we'll never get away from plastics. Appreciate you watching.
They suggest to use nonoilen filament which i guess it’s more biodegradable
Sooner or later, it will become microplastics. I am pretty certain that wood is better for the bees.
bambu 3d printers also run biodegradable wood filament, not sure how it would work with this setup but possibly worth looking into
Looking forward to seeing more about the hex hive. Very interesting. Wish you would have shown the inside with 1/3 of the frames in a box. Will be interesting hw they do connected. Would be interesting if you had 2 towers connected and see if 2 queens coexist.
You could fit a small excluder in that connector and do that, I'm sure. I'll do some follow-up videos when I get the frames done and a colony into the unit.
Is the filament a food grade rated plastic? Also, white plastic will typically become brittle after a summer of sun exposure.
PETG plastic is an FDA-compliant plastic for food, beverage, and medical packaging. That is from Google. I have had white PETG in the sun for 2.5 years now.
yes PETG is a food grade plastic
I ordered a few Hoover waxed hives and they lasted 1 or 2 seasons. I don’t think I would go with waxed hives again.
Wax coated is definitely not the same as wax dipped, that's for sure.
The holes in those windows will be propylized in no time. Andbin one seasoned you won't be able to see through them. Nice idea though. Just not practical. Same with those plastic frames. They will break in no time. Too thin. I've 3d printed lots of parts, and those just won't survive the stresses of a hive. Time will tell though.
I have a hive kit that I got 8 years ago with observation windows, they are still good believe it or not. The frames, we'll see. I printed the frames with a 25% infill, but we'll see. Appreciate the feedback.
These hold up. We have had test hives outside for over 2 years now. I’ve pried in frames with hive tools…everything hanging in there. You could always increase infill to 100% if you were having issues, but in our experience, that isn’t likely.
Hi Brian, I'm playing catchup! Thanks for tagging me in this video. A 3-D Printed Hive? These are interesting times for sure. Wishing you all the best :)
I haven't messed with the larger size hex hive but I'm printing the smaller size from hex hive. They're a little bit smaller than a nuc, but very easy to pop on new bodies onto them. This is my first year messing with them, and I'm a nobody on youtube. But I think they show alot of potential for many things in beekeeping. It takes many days to print a full hive kit of the smaller ones though. This large one would be a monster like one of their small hives full size (single body) in plastic is 20$ish. That many spools of plastic is like 308$ where I buy I think? Also this one in the video is a double box.
Great microplastics in honey. No thanks. Trying to use less plastics. Microplastics maybe what kills the planet.
The honey, when harvested, would not touch any of these plastics. Thank you for watching.
I have been wanting to print a hex hive but the amount of filament it takes keeps me from doing it.
It is a lot.
How much filnament did u use?
Vevor: How do you know it's wax painted vs dipped? I am thinking it IS dipped because it would take too long to paint wax on every inch of every board. Thoughts? Kinda of weird the boxes don't come with nails or screws don't you think? And I see your bottom board is made of 11 boards just like mine, not sure I like that.
The Hex hive is very cool! How long did it take to print it all?
im really intrested in this. My father has been bee keeping for about 2 years now. ive been doing it with him. weve both been very intereted in this concept but i do have a few questions and concerns. i didnt see a queen divider anywear for the hex hives sec, which is definetly needed. im not too worried about insulation due to the air pockets when you print. i am very worried about cost effectivness. 90 dollars for STLS, about 200 dollars for bees, and id estimate for 4 blocks/hexagon (two pillars of 2) id estimate about 3 spools of filament/60-75 dollars. im just not sure if its worth it. because of the two langsworth hives me and my dad have, im wondering if we just put it near the hives if they will start coming to the hive themselves which would save a significant amount of money. im wondering if after all that cost for the files, time and filament if youd really be saving ANY money from the normal langsworth. and im also wondering about the dividers. you showed that they were empty. just the dividers. do the bees just build their own hexagons or do you need that stuff to get it going. im not sure i that makes sense. thanks for the review though!
nevermind i just saw the 13 thousand grams of filament. definetly not doing this.
It does cost a bit. For most, it is out of reach. The Queen Excluder, I plan to cut a plastic one and fit it.
What type of plastic did you use? Looks neat !
PETG.
Let's see with bees in it. Can't wait
I had to put it on hold for now due to other factors in my Apiary. I'll get Bees into it next season. .
What type of 3D printer plastic did you make the Hex Hive from. The cheapest material PLA doesn't cope with sun or weather and becomes brittle very quickly. The more expensive ASA plastic is UV tolerant and is supposed to last for years outside.
They recommended PETG, so that's what I used. I've had some prints using PETG outside for close to 2.5 years now.
How is the hex hive doing ? Is there a Queen excluder with it ? It would be really good to see an update video :)
I had to put it on hold for now due to other factors in my Apiary. I'll get Bees into it next season. . For an excluder, you could cut one to fit.
Did you use PETG or abs? 14 spools ouch maybe I missed it thanks would like a deep dive into that hive box
They recommended PETG, so that's what I used. ABS, I'm sure, would be stronger.
I can see the bees propolizing the vents on the wooden box and make it impossible to see. Plastic, don't think I need to point out the obvious there however my first thought past that was to make some those entrances queen excluded so you could have individual towers of honey. We will probably never get away completely from plastic but I don't think we really need to find new ways to use it when a) there are NUMEROUS viable time proven alternatives b) we are trying to phase out, or at least drastically reduce use of plastic that will become unbiodegradable garbage c) doubt it would stand up in colder climates without having to spend even more money by either replacing broken parts or extra insulation d) very expensive (power for one was not added to cost) e) not proven f) had an f..forgot it, haha. Could end up making numerous kits before the appropriate material is found for your area adding to a huge waste and cost. It's just unnecessary and redundant. Oh! Remembered my f...the frames don't look like they would fit the standard, common or most used extractors, do they? Or is that going to be another cost or inconvenience? Makes as much sense to me as specially produced styrofoam products for beekeeping like the nucs! Some of these ideas are just sloppily thought out, fly by the pants, short sighted, to hell with our environment money making schemes. Keep using materials that the environment doesn't like and you don't need to worry about beekeeping at all anymore because there won't be such a thing possible.
When's the next video in this series coming? :)
Unfortunately, I did not get the time to get foundation into the frames, and it is too late to start this now. I'll start it out in the spring with one of my splits.
@@CastleHives Ah, dang. Oh well. Thanks for the update!
@Jdban I had queen issues and other problems, so spent time handling the colonies I have. I'll get it going in the spring, it's at my Apiary and will overwinter outside just to test..
The major problem with Flow hives is they are having trouble getting them 18% or below in moisture. Most are coming out 22% or higher.
The two times I've harvested from Flow supers, the moisture was below 17%.
Is this Profitable setup as far as honey? i am thinking about printing 50 of these
That's hard to say. The frames are not standard size, so you can't use a standard extractor.
How long did it take to print?
Do they have smaller super boxes too?
What's the plan for queen excluder? (I guess you could print one)
What's the plan to extract honey?
It took weeks, between 3-4 weeks. I only used 1 of my printers though, so That could have been sped up, I just didn't want to eat into print time for other projects. 1 Wall piece of the 4 for the upper ttook 15 hours, so 60 hours for 1 box, that is not including the frames or supports. Excluder, I'm going to make one to fit. For honey, I haven't quite thought that far ahead. Appreciate the questions.
Both are nice Brian but kind of lean towards the Vevor? The Hex Way looks like it would help out more by connecting 2 together like you said would help in not splitting up the hives??
I like having uniform equipment, so wood works best for me. The 3D printed, i'll try it as a novelty item. TIme will tell how it does. Thanks Chuck. .
So now you need to 3-D print an extractor for those special frames!! LIke the look of the wood on the vevor hive.
Hah, yes. A 3D printed extractor. I would probably do the old crush and strain technique on these.
Edited: Guys, watch out for these guys. STL files on sales may not be the ones in the video, and they straight up just delete any comments that are in any way negative. Bit odd behaviour from the makers...
But great review from Castle Hives!
100% not true. The files are straight from the website. I am.100% transparent with any product I review and will never cave and provide information that is false.
@@CastleHives I replied to them twice asking the question about the discrepancy between the site description and what's in your video and they deleted it....
@Cal1nComan I can't answer to that. All I know is this was the Mega, purchased and downloaded from them. Nothing was altered as far as size, so 100% true to what was provided.
@@CastleHives so you had the slanted roof, etc. in the pack? Website description states for instance a flat roof design. This is why I flagged it, I simply replied to their comment on here asking them to confirm if what's in your video was included and it was immediately deleted.
It's got a lot of potential and you did a great job reviewing, I literally had the mega pack in my basket after watching but now I'm skeptical. Bit of googling and Reddit threads mention similar behaviour from them too unfortunately :(
@@Cal1nComan Everything you see in the video was from the mega, nothing altered.
What filament did you use?
I used PETG. That is the filament that was recommended by Hex Hives.
The deep nody looks like theres a horizontal split about halfway down. Is that just the grain etc?
It is, yeah. They are solid. In the sun, the camera picked up every flaw.
Can you get a screened bottom board for the vevor hive
They only have solid bottom boards.
I like wood, but lets see what the bees like and bait them both and see which they like! Maybee we can place bets?
Hah, if I was a betting man i'd take you up on that. But, my luck is horrible so I stay clear of bets.
Will be interesting to see how the bees do in the Hex Hive.
I'm curious how they'll perform.
@@CastleHives When are you putting them in?
@@Jdban As soon as I get foundation in the frames..
Looks great Brian!
Thanks Rodney. .
Jey Brain, thanks for sharing the hex hive. I'm interested in seeing how that goes in the long run. Question though, is there space between the 2 layers of frames or do the frames come together and touch when you put them together?
There is a small space. I am thinking it is proper bee space to be honest.
We spent a long time engineering and designing everything to have proper bee space. :)
I was watching a video from a channel called Fangflyer a few days ago about the hex hive. He was using the smaller sized hives. I am curious as to how the isolation from outside temps will be. I've gotten some interesting data from the printed hive I have bees in. I've also noticed propolis seals when I refill the internal feeder. I'm just curious like you if the bees will mass coat the inside with propolis. Best of luck with the new hives.
That is what I'm curious to see as well, do they layer it with propolis. Thanks for watching. .
Super cool. Looks like a gatorade jug!
I was shocked at how much filament it takes.
Hahaha. . You're the second person that said Gatorade. And yeah, it takes a lot.
@@CastleHives is there any anticipated problems with micro plastics? Was that a consideration when choosing the filament?
@@blacktalonbased I don't have any concerns. When I harvest, I'll use the crush and strain, so I'll scrap off of the foundation.
Is the hex for production or more a resource hive?
Either. You could go as high as you want and connect as many towers.
what size are the frames in the Hex Hive
244mm x244mm, or 9.6 inch by 9.6 inch.
Does anyone know how long the 3D printer plastic stands up to sun and weather compared to wood? Some plastics become very brittle in a short time.
I've had a few 3D printed objects with PETF, same as this, and they've been in the sun for 2.5 years.
The video was so interesting Brian.
Glad you enjoyed it Sandi. .
I like that this hex has all the same frames... others I've seen have 3 different frame shapes. 😊
They are slick. And, you could increase the infill to make them even stronger.
Very curious to see how the bees do in that hex hive. Seems it would be pretty expensive to make.
$239 per double stack. Now, if you got filament at a discount it'd be cheaper.
So So Cool
Thanks Sandi. . Me being a gadget person, I kinda like the Hex Hive.
I wonder how the printed hive will weather. I use PETG for a lot of stuff for outside, but the sun and rain do take a toll on the plastic. Also with all the micro gaps in a 3d printed object I wonder how it will deal with freezing and thawing. Water in the gaps may cause them to split. How strong are the frames, after getting glued down in winter it may be tricky getting them loose in the spring. I have several 3d printer, but I am skeptical about this project, high cost relative to proven wooden ware. Looking forward to seeing how well the girls take to it.
Valid points, Rodney. Tme will tell. I'm going to get a colony into it and see. The only way is to test it out.
Great review. I have a BeeCastle hive with viewing windows that I reviewed. Impressed with their product also. However I am looking forward to see how long the viewing window stays viewable and if the bees leave it alone or put propolis all over it.
I have a kit that is 8 years old, from another company, and the windows are fine. They will get a little bit of wax and propolis on them, but not enough to block your viewing.
I'm new to beekeeping - in fact waiting for my first NUC any day now. I'm just curious regarding if the Vevor having those observation windows might be a problem in the winters here in NE Ohio. Would it be more difficult to keep warm in the cold winters?
Great question. I have a Hive Kit, my first one actually, that has the same style windows. The wood inserts that block them off are enough to keep them insulated. The Bees do not warm the entire box, just the cluster.
I do like that vevor but im poor & ill take my homemade rough sawn boxes that are made out of denser wood than pine, the bees coat all the saw marks in propolis & the bees over winter way better than a pine box.. I been using hard maple & cherry lately... but if I had the money I'd probly just buy boxes lol,... ALOT of work the way Im doing it
Time is the factor that gets me. I have a tablesaw and the tools to make boxes, no time to do it so i buy.
@@CastleHives yes bee equipment is super time consuming! I was making frames but I definitely buy those now, they take forever, to many intricate cuts, but boxes , lids & bottom boards I make, I have 2 table saws set up 1 is strictly for a dado blade so that helps save time of changing blades..I don't buy wood but I have to mill it on an old antique circular saw mill from trees I took down out of my woods.. it's fun but definitely a ton of work
It's incredible !
It’s always fun to try new things? I would give it a shot
Thanks for bringing this new Hive build to your viewers
Happy to share. Now I just need to get foundation in the frames and a colony inside of it. Hopefully i can get that done in 2-3 weeks.
As you know I am a huge 3d print guy but 14 spools per double stack? That would have taken a long time to print the parts as well. However, it should last far longer than wood and if you want more "boxes" it's just the cost of plastic and machine time. I assume it was petg and I have had great results with it in our Texas sun. Be interested to see how this works over time. Thanks Brian!
Interesting
Isn't it. .
Let’s put bees in it and see how it does. I bet the bees will fill the holes on the vevor hive.
I bet they do also. I think I'll have the hex hive with Bees in 2 or 3 weeks.
This has so much potential… This would be a great alternative for countries that make concrete hive to protect from termites and other wood prone pests.
Agreed. I can't wait to see how a colony performs in it..
I just want to buy all the hives!
Haha. . Same.
I made a 3d printed hive last year. The bees liked it, but I had a lot of issues with the pla warping in the summer heat. Come winter I was using caulking to seel the cracks where it separated. I had a lot of trouble pulling frames in the warped hive also. My design was not a hex do maybe that makes a difference. Had a moisture issue in spring that got the bees. Redesigns have a lot of design and material issues.
I wonder what PETG will do, that is what I used.
A good exparament. I used pla prataly because I was trying to get the cost down to closer to a wood hive. I might still try a 3d printed hive. (my 3d printed frames work great. Trying a new exparamen with them now. ) I might try ABS as a material but it costs more.
@@groundhogcow992 ABS would be great.
I wanna see you stand on the box lol
I might. . I'll post a picture on my community tab if I do.
First! Hey Brian
Hey there!
Build a hex box in wood, print the frames and save a bundle
Hah, that's an idea.
Wondering why this didn't show up on my Notifications.
Odd DC. .
LETS GOOOO!! #hexhives
Hahaahahaha
If the Hex Hive fails, fill it with Gatorade!
Lmao