Hey guys sorry for the audio cutout at :23 I’ve got a busy week and didn’t have time to go back and change it. Done is better than perfect! Hope you enjoy 🙏
Hey Griffin, would it be possible to get a clip from the komodo and one from the c200? For grading purposes, just to get a feeling of grading and matching. Would be a blessing 🙏🏻🙏🏻
David John Balce I will try to make this happen. I can tell you the C500 Mark ii will win in control over depth of field, high iso, and overall usability by quite a ways. Image quality might be similar to the Komodo, although it will perform better than the c200 did.
Much better quality with C500II due to photosite size (DR, overexposure), also it's 24x36 v s35 so the feeling will be very different. The C200 is already better for image quality (except noise) than Komodo; and in comaprison to C200, C500II is another league.
I got through your whole video....and I just realized that I didn't hear anything you said while you had your talent on the screen. I'm going to go back now and listen to it with just the audio and pickup what I missed. Nice job, thanks for doing this!
Man, I hope you know how valuable these deep dive comparisons are for people who don’t have the resources to explore all these cameras before making a purchase. Keep crushing it, brotha 🤙🏼
I really appreciate the comparison, thanks for doing it! Unfortunately I don't think it tells us much about dynamic range or out of camera color. The light in was little too perfect and the C200 can definitely clip in many situations. I would really want to see the roll off when there is a hard clip (eg. bright clouds), and judging color has the same issue. The C200 can get weird with extremely saturated blues and magentas, but everything in this shot is in a skin tone range. Again, totally appreciate the test! Just keeps me wanting to see more 😁
Hey Tyler, appreciate you checking out the video, and I also welcome the feedback. I’ve got another video next week where the lighting is in a completely different situation. I lit using some neon blue quasars and tungsten lights so it will show a little bit of a different lighting situation. I’m planning on adding one more day of shooting before releasing that video. What would be some other situations you feel would be good tests to add? I will try to add them in
@@GriffinConway I'd love to see more! And critical comments are always super annoying so I appreciate your patience. I'd like to see some very saturated colours in frame and some light that clips the camera but isn't specular. Straight into the sun is tough to judge because it will always clip no matter what. Big white fluffy clouds are a common problem, or just expose for someone in the shadows with full sun out of a window. How many stops over is that window safe and how gradual is the rolloff?
I agree with Tyler. A few test in challenging scenarios. Maybe she can wear a bikini to see skin tonality. 😂 Just kidding😂 No disrespect. But yeah, challenging lighting scenes . Thanks bud!
I think if you could actually choose a real ISO for Canon in post like R3D you probably wouldn't have as much noise when pushing the underexposed image. I'm pretty sure you can do it in Davinci but pushing the exposure slider in Premiere is not the same thing as changing ISO, unfortunately. Great comparison though. Thanks!
Lee Zavitz hey Lee thanks for checking the video out. You are correct in Davinci you can change the ISO value. I haven’t tested this as I am editing in premiere 98% of the time. However, in my test I adjusted the actual master raw control panel in premiere for the clip (which is different than the lumtri exposure slider). I’ll have to test Davinci and see if I get better results. Thanks for checking out the video!
Griffin Conway oh I know that you adjusted it in the raw control. I’ve done it before. It’s just that you have no real iso changing abilities in premiere for whatever reason. And I haven’t back to back tested how much of a difference there is. I’m just pointing it out and I’m sure you already know!
Guys let’s not forget Komodo has a global shutter sensor technology.This is the main reason Red created this project to be able to match DSMC2 On set ,instead of using GoPros or other brands camera’s as “ crashcams “.It useful especially for gimbals, drones or where there is lots of movement in the shot (no more gellos effect or twisted lines ..) I’m going to get one soon and leave it on my M15 gimbal change or steadycam so I can use with pl glasses , mattebox and match colors easily with my Helium.
underexpose test you need to use ISO instead of exposure for canon. it works different way. not sure if you can choose ISO in Premiere, but in davinci you can
Griffin Conway Got it. But on the other side it shows like canon isn’t capable of pulling the shadows as good as red, which is incorrect, because if you do it via iso, it’ll be much less noisy.
Hugo Will definitely understand what your saying here, but I only shared my experience (which includes editing in premiere). I even showed my screen while adjusting the exposure values so people know my process. And anyone who edits in premiere will likely have an easier time pulling shadows on the Komodo. They are both great cams with different strengths and weaknesses.
@@GriffinConway I think the point they are trying to make is that someone might not know about davinci feature for canon. And that could effect purchase decision. If shooting a short film or feature film. Than I would want to use the software that got me the best image.
@@legendp2011 I agree, Premiere is usually garbage for judging camera quality. This seems to be just another example next to the horrible handling of 10 bit h265/h264 footage.
I bought C200 couple of months ago and I was thinking that i made wrong decision and needed to wait for Komodo but Canon Raw on c200 is amazing and camera is great for any type of job. 10 of 10 for c200 :) Tnx Griffin
Cory Weinberg it’s a great camera for those who don’t mind the usability challenges that come with using a small camera with no built in ND’s, xlr’s, not the best autofocus, and no IBIS. That said, the image is really solid and punches above its weight class
Older video obviously but keep in mind, Komodo has settings for not just highlight rolloff (which you mentioned) but also the contrast within the redcode. Great video.
Great video man. I’ve been enjoying all the videos lately! I’d love to see your color process in premiere if you ever wanted to do a yt vid on it! All your looks are so natural and really real feeling. I definitely admire your work.
"First section here is going to be full sensor raw mode on both cameras. The Red Komodo was shot in 6k 24p, and on the C200 it goes up to 4k..." Gotta love Premiere Pro bugs lol
I would love to do this test too. I would only want to do it with someone who is competent in the sony system so we could make the tests fair since I don't shoot Sony often.
Your test is consistent with my long standing experience with Canons,.....I love canons and consider myself a canon guy but lower light or too much under exposure is always something I have to consider when using canons, be it the c-series or even many of the other dslrs. Having your lighting right with the canons does seem to be more important than say with the sony series or alexas or Nikons.....never used a red camera
Hi Griffin, thanks for that, enjoyed the R5 vs C200 too, and subscribed! How frequently do you ABB (auto black balance) the C200? I get much less noise if done every time I change environment. Big hassle! Is there an equivalent requirement for the RED?
Steven Freitag hey Steven appreciate you checking the video out and subscribing. I try to auto black balance on the c200 at the start of every production day, although sometimes I don’t do it if time doesn’t permit. I’ve found the trick with the c200 is just make sure you never underexpose, and if you can overexpose by about 1 stop without losing highlight detail you will avoid noise. The red has the same black balance process but it’s about 5 times slower!
Hey so I noticed that you’re using a Shinobi with your C200? I’ve been trying to find a screen that will let me monitor when I switch to 4k60 mode in either MP4 or RAW mode. Are you using SDI with yours or HDMI? And does it let you monitor 4k60 in either mode?
Yes I was using the shinobi via sdi even in 4k60p. It will show the image just fine in this mode. If you use HDMI make sure to turn your HDMI max res to 1080
Thanks for this. I ended up getting a shinobi as well. After research I realized none of the monitors I ever bought displayed 60p. They always only went up to 30 & that was my issue. Seemed like unless I wanted to spend a lot more, the Shinobi was the best option for me. Just did a shoot today with it. Thanks again.
Could you make a video about setting up your rip and your atomos recorder? just a 1 min taker or something like that, I would love to see how you set your atomos up
Im undecided between the C200 and C70, I want the FX6 but dont feel like waiting until December before they are available. Leaning more towards the C200 to save $2000 but I don't want to only shoot in RAW. Is the 4k 8 bit as bad as they say?
If you can afford it, I would go c70. It’s an amazing camera. Great codec options, nice small raw files with much less noise than the c200. Also, 4k 120p, and much better autofocus modes (whole area af is great).
@@GriffinConway Ok. This man is selling a C200 for $2500. I inspected it and used it, clean and works perfectly. But that DGO and 10 bit is very tempting
Love your real world, not too technical comp reviews. I'm looking for a B-cam for my C200. Not sure if I should go with the R5 (B-roll and handheld gimbal) or a C200b (more challenging on a handheld gimbal). I'm having a hard time deciding. Leaning towards the C200b because of the R5s heat related limitations. What do you think? Thanks!
Juan Carlos Pena I have both and 10 out of 10 times I would grab the c200 for professional video work. I love the R5 for photography, and when I’m filming for travel / fun / etc. I find the pro features of the c200 really nice and also it’s a perfect match for the other c200 so it speeds up post production. That said, the best option is if you can rent both and try them for yourself to see which you prefer. Thanks for checking out the video Juan!
How do you think these camera will match in an A-B setting interview? Have you tried skin tone matching? Also , what's the start-up time on the K? Thanks man!!
Hey Juan thanks for checking the video out! The Komodo is quite a bit slower to start up...maybe 30 seconds or so, compared to 7 or 8 seconds on the c200. I haven’t A/B compared in an interview setting but I can tell you this: they can definitely be matched by someone who is skilled at color grading but you would have a much easier time using a camera within the same brand. Canon tends to have more magenta in the skin tones, but if you know your way around your edit suite I’m sure you could match them.
I haven’t used the camera enough to know the answer to that. I know with other reds you can record proxies at the same time. Hopefully that will come to this camera as well. I use proxies in my workflow all the time.
@@GriffinConway Thanks Griffin, but I don't think it will have internal proxies recording because the computing power and a much smaller chip. Perhaps the next Komodo.
@@GriffinConway It seems the only way to get proxies simultaneously is through a sdi recorder where you get get maximum 4k 12G down sampled footage then pipe the signal to another monitor for monitoring.
Fraser MacMannis hey Fraser! Thanks for checking the video out bro 👍 planning on some more c500 Mark ii videos soon. It is still my favorite camera out of all of them (except for the Alexa mini LF which is $80k lol )
During shooting, yes I was able to adjust my lens Aputure on my ef glass on the Komodo. Not in post though (not sure if that’s what your asking). Also, at this time RF glass is not supported even though it is RF Mount
For me personally, I like the c70 a lot more because of the type of work I do and the other cameras I already own. I like built in ND’s, high quality audio, better slow motion etc. I would give the overall nod to red though if you are looking for the absolute most control over your image. I just don’t like the workflow with red.
Thanks Griffin For Great video I was very surprised that the C200 looked so much more cinematic than the Komodo I wish more tests on High iso performance and Auto Foucs in video Great job
Thanks Sam! I don't think it's the camera for me based on the type of shooting I do. Are you referring to mounting the shinobi on the c200 or the komodo?
A.J Schofield premiere had an issue when it exported and I was out of time for my “fun UA-cam stuff” and had to get to work on my actual work so I didn’t have time to re export it. Done is better than perfect 😄 thanks for watching!
Very cool :) The hard thing about ISO under/over is it may be strongly dependent on shooting ISO. Can affect how dynamic range is distributed in the image. So you may get very different recovery results depending on ISO. I kind of suspect this issue is at play here, because I recently saw another Komodo test video where highlight recovery was incredible and dark recovery kind of sucked. Your result didn’t seem to match. It’s probably because you shot at different ISOs and the raw behavior changes with ISO, so we see to different sides of the same coin. For the BMPCC4K there’s published charts and you’ll get very different results if your shooting base ISO wasn’t optimal for the recovery you want to be able to do in post. Unless you shoot for that chart (or always stick to some ISOs you know how dynamic range is distributed for a given ISO) you won’t get optimal recovery. You’d also saw creators like Max Y and Gerald Undone giving very different advise about how to shoot BMPCC. Max eventually was unhappy about the work needed to get great image. Gerald had very clever tricks for optimizing for always recoverable highlights when exposing to the right in raw, how to always know your DR was optimally distributed. One could imagine that’s Geralds crazy techy approach to get best image actually paid of in easier grading in post. For REDs and Canons I’m not sure how important this is, if the under/over results are as strongly tied to how you shot it as on BMPCC. Probably a hard topic to cover in a versus style test as you have to know optimal settings for both cameras for the fairest/best results.
The Canon has more dynamic range, handles highlight a bit better, and gives a much more natural tone to the colors particularly skin tones. Where the RED is more orange and saturated. Also, the crop on the super 35, not good. BTW, didn't know you were a long tall drink of water. You join the ranks of other tall youtube camera guys that look short when doing talking head shots: Gerald Undone, Peter McKennon. I'm 6'4 so I can relate, not criticizing.
excuse me but are you high? RED has way better highlight rolloff and way better dynamic range. On top of that there's global shutter. Sensor size hasn't mattered for years, since you can buy a speed booster on top of other pros with the RF mount.
@@YourProEntertainment "Way better highlight roll-off?" Sounds like you're the one that's been smoking the peace pipe bub. It doesn't appear so here. And sure, I can't argue a global shutter has its advantages, but its not the end-all of video recording. On the other hand, I will give it credit for its compact size over the C-200, that could at times give it a more usable advantage, ergonomics notwithstanding. As for the sensor, size does matter. And in this case, the Komodo lags behind with its need to crop. BTW, Videographers have been crying out for a FF video cameras for years and Canon is one of the few manufactures to step up to the plate and offer the C-500 MK II at a price that doesn't require you to take out a second mortgage to finance it. In any event, the Komodo is an admirable entry -- especially from RED who has a reputation of never playing well with 3rd-party accessories. With this entry, they're not forcing you to purchase their in-house recording media right out of the gate. (you still get a warning) Its step forward global shutter alone, is not enough to offset the single card slot, crop, quirky auto focus, and no internal stabilization. Combined, the limitation cause it to lag behind when compared to the C-200. I'm not saying is a bad camera, just that I feel those compromises, at least in this test, relocate it come in at second place.
@@krane15 I see you start talking about videography, which is a separate audience. How I approach this is as looking at cinema cameras and cameras suitable for commercial work. Sure, videographers might want some specific gimmicks such as full frame, but really what's the real reason behind wanting full frame? Bigger pixels or shallower depth of field? You can get either of those with a decent image quality, easy. Hell, you can even buy MF if you love shallow depth of field, but it still won't make your images look better. We've had fully functioning full frame DSLR's for more than a decade. It's just that we now have smaller bodies and lenses which attract a lot of buying customers on the videography end. But then again if you're doing videography with no intention of commercial stuff, why would you spend 6k on a camera body? I don't condone RED for their business practices, but this is probably the 2nd biggest change in the camera world they've done. Global shutter is amazing and helps a ton with CGI work. I doubt there's that many people that cry for internal stabilization or auto-focus or single card slot in the commercial field. Those "flaws" are backed up by other things standard to commercial work. I'd even go as far as to say that the prettiest lenses have no auto-focus, but then again if you're looking at this from a videography stand point, you'd probably want AF and you don't rent the lenses. Still, I'd not recommend c200 for videography. For documentary run n' gun it would be a really sweet camera, not gonna lie. But if you do that, then you have a lot more options for bodies.
@@GriffinConway That'd be very helpful. I've already decided to get a Komodo and sell my trusty C200B. The no proxies workflow does seem to be a major difficulty however I could pass on the Komodo's image quality.
I found the Komodo image to be much more similar to an Arri look. The C200 also looked good, but mostly more green. It's something that can be compensated for in post, but I think the Red has nicer colors in these demo shots.
In my experience I have always found Arri to be much greener than the c200 when at the same white balance. I would love to see them side by side though....maybe in a future test!
@griffinconway hey mate love the videos - doing a stellar job. Was just wondering if you would be getting your hands on the c300mk3 at some point. I’m a c200 owner - loving the camera - but with the release of the c70 I’m wondering if it’s worth me making a change over to it in order to get the RF mount, positives of a smaller body and the c300mk3 DGO sensor and 10b422 (at the expense of raw). I figure as the c300mk3 has the same sensor and XFAVC codec as the c70 so would be great to compare that to the c200 and get an almost 2-for-1 comparison of c300, c200 & c70. My main hurdle for a change would be dynamic range - if the c70/c300 XAVC codec still retains the same or more dynamic range as the c200 I’d be interested in jumping over. Anyway, you Channel is great, the format for your reviews and insights is genuinely helpful.
Thanks so much for the kind words. I’ve been planning on testing the C300 Mark iii but haven’t got around to it. I pre ordered the c70 to add to the production kit. I’ll be doing some more testing with both of those cameras in the future for sure!
Griffin Conway nice one ☝️definitely will be looking forward to it. And again - keep doing what you’re doing - lots of people out there doing reviews etc, but your content really stands apart 👌
Wow. Would love to see more tests in more dynamic lighting conditions tbh. The komodo for 6 grand outright beats the c200 mkii in my opinion, and the c200 is 10 grand? No competition.
Thank you for the thoughtful video. Really enjoyed the comparison. RED is super attractive in post. Canon may be better for short handed, run and gun jobs.
The C200 with the Lut used has a very video-ish roll-off with red clipping and looks much harsher overall. RED cameras usually look much more harsh than ARRI in comparison. I really think the Lut used on the C200 doesn't do it any justice at all - you would be better off by just using the official Canon Luts which look much smoother.
@@seanvelasco-dodge Sure they are like many other things they claim are made in the US and are low quality products from china. Check this video and stop beeing a RED fanboy. Open your eyes. ua-cam.com/channels/aXkBP-tPP-gIYXdABi7vjA.html
Definitely c200 cuz it’s better for unprepared locations due to autofocus, handles, viewfinder etc and it’s beats red’s footage controls cuz it’s not as good in non studio environments.
Wow...imagine living in a country where you can just rent whatever you need. In Ireland we only have two rental houses that will serve smaller productions that aren’t run by Netflix (like Vikings) and only one that has the Alexa Mini. And they only got it last year. There’s no chance we’ll be be able to rent something like the Komodo for another 3-4 years...
I know. It appears as though one can rent anything in the bigger cities in the US. The American you tubers/reviewers say, ‘Why not rent xyz and see what you think’. Dang, I wish. Oh well. 😄
Do services like lens rentals service Ireland? Sorry to hear about that. I was only speaking from my personal experience, which is of course limited to my knowledge of my region/country etc. To be honest, I didn’t know I had Ilan international viewers. Thanks for watching!
@@GriffinConway oh don’t worry I’m not saying anything against you or what you said in the video. It’s just the situation here in Ireland that we only have two somewhat decent rental houses who’ll serve smaller productions and production companies. The bigger ones we have won’t even answer you unless you’re working for Netflix or some big budget feature shooting here. And even still they don’t get new stuff in that often. They just have a bit more choice than the smaller ones we have here. We aren’t getting the Komodo anytime soon
John Kelly ah sorry to hear that man! One silver lining I can say is Ireland is a beautiful place. I visited with my family when I was much younger and just remember thinking how beautiful the landscapes were.
Hey guys sorry for the audio cutout at :23 I’ve got a busy week and didn’t have time to go back and change it. Done is better than perfect! Hope you enjoy 🙏
Thought I was having a noggin problem.
i unplugged the headphone and vice versa XD... chill bro..
Hey Griffin, would it be possible to get a clip from the komodo and one from the c200? For grading purposes, just to get a feeling of grading and matching. Would be a blessing 🙏🏻🙏🏻
@@matjazkoren5018 upvote... Id like to see that too
Jesus loves you, mate!
Nice comparison, Griffin. Thanks for putting this together even when you've got a busy week!
Thanks a lot Curtis! My audio guy would probably kill me for putting out a video like this though 😂😂
@@GriffinConway "Real artists deliver."
Would still love a C500 II vs RED Komodo, even though it's on different price ranges would still be stoked to see how the quality compares.
David John Balce I will try to make this happen. I can tell you the C500 Mark ii will win in control over depth of field, high iso, and overall usability by quite a ways. Image quality might be similar to the Komodo, although it will perform better than the c200 did.
C70 when it comes out would be better comparison
These camera aren't comparable. The Canon is FF and cost $7000-$9,000 more. You could buy two Komodos.
@@JanAndhisfiets second this
Much better quality with C500II due to photosite size (DR, overexposure), also it's 24x36 v s35 so the feeling will be very different. The C200 is already better for image quality (except noise) than Komodo; and in comaprison to C200, C500II is another league.
I got through your whole video....and I just realized that I didn't hear anything you said while you had your talent on the screen. I'm going to go back now and listen to it with just the audio and pickup what I missed. Nice job, thanks for doing this!
Haha thanks Cliff! Delanie has that effect on me too 😉 thanks for checking out the video!
Man, I hope you know how valuable these deep dive comparisons are for people who don’t have the resources to explore all these cameras before making a purchase.
Keep crushing it, brotha 🤙🏼
Thanks so much Sam! Really appreciate your support and glad you find these videos valuable!
another excellent comparison vid, lovely stuff Griffin!
Ollie Ritchie Thanks a lot Ollie! Really appreciate you checking it out
I really appreciate the comparison, thanks for doing it! Unfortunately I don't think it tells us much about dynamic range or out of camera color. The light in was little too perfect and the C200 can definitely clip in many situations. I would really want to see the roll off when there is a hard clip (eg. bright clouds), and judging color has the same issue. The C200 can get weird with extremely saturated blues and magentas, but everything in this shot is in a skin tone range. Again, totally appreciate the test! Just keeps me wanting to see more 😁
Hey Tyler, appreciate you checking out the video, and I also welcome the feedback. I’ve got another video next week where the lighting is in a completely different situation. I lit using some neon blue quasars and tungsten lights so it will show a little bit of a different lighting situation. I’m planning on adding one more day of shooting before releasing that video. What would be some other situations you feel would be good tests to add? I will try to add them in
@@GriffinConway I'd love to see more! And critical comments are always super annoying so I appreciate your patience.
I'd like to see some very saturated colours in frame and some light that clips the camera but isn't specular. Straight into the sun is tough to judge because it will always clip no matter what. Big white fluffy clouds are a common problem, or just expose for someone in the shadows with full sun out of a window. How many stops over is that window safe and how gradual is the rolloff?
@@GriffinConway So psyched we're getting more of these!!! Awesome news!
I agree with Tyler. A few test in challenging scenarios. Maybe she can wear a bikini to see skin tonality.
😂 Just kidding😂 No disrespect.
But yeah, challenging lighting scenes . Thanks bud!
Lol!
I think if you could actually choose a real ISO for Canon in post like R3D you probably wouldn't have as much noise when pushing the underexposed image. I'm pretty sure you can do it in Davinci but pushing the exposure slider in Premiere is not the same thing as changing ISO, unfortunately. Great comparison though. Thanks!
Lee Zavitz hey Lee thanks for checking the video out. You are correct in Davinci you can change the ISO value. I haven’t tested this as I am editing in premiere 98% of the time. However, in my test I adjusted the actual master raw control panel in premiere for the clip (which is different than the lumtri exposure slider). I’ll have to test Davinci and see if I get better results. Thanks for checking out the video!
Griffin Conway oh I know that you adjusted it in the raw control. I’ve done it before. It’s just that you have no real iso changing abilities in premiere for whatever reason. And I haven’t back to back tested how much of a difference there is. I’m just pointing it out and I’m sure you already know!
Here's the thing, underexposure is a user operator error, not a negative rating of the camera.
Krane true. 3stops is hardly ever gonna happen
Thank you so much for doing this! I had been waiting for someone to do this comparison!
0 1 thanks for watching!
Guys let’s not forget Komodo has a global shutter sensor technology.This is the main reason Red created this project to be able to match DSMC2 On set ,instead of using GoPros or other brands camera’s as “ crashcams “.It useful especially for gimbals, drones or where there is lots of movement in the shot (no more gellos effect or twisted lines ..) I’m going to get one soon and leave it on my M15 gimbal change or steadycam so I can use with pl glasses , mattebox and match colors easily with my Helium.
A comparison with the new C300 MKIII would make the most sense as the price range is quite close.
If you know someone who wants to lend me a c300 mark iii for testing I would be happy to make the video!
1:30 "they look really similar". . . .no they do not sir.
underexpose test you need to use ISO instead of exposure for canon. it works different way. not sure if you can choose ISO in Premiere, but in davinci you can
Hugo Will I am aware of that feature, however I edit I’m premiere 98% of the time so I was showing what was available to me.
Griffin Conway Got it. But on the other side it shows like canon isn’t capable of pulling the shadows as good as red, which is incorrect, because if you do it via iso, it’ll be much less noisy.
Hugo Will definitely understand what your saying here, but I only shared my experience (which includes editing in premiere). I even showed my screen while adjusting the exposure values so people know my process. And anyone who edits in premiere will likely have an easier time pulling shadows on the Komodo. They are both great cams with different strengths and weaknesses.
@@GriffinConway I think the point they are trying to make is that someone might not know about davinci feature for canon. And that could effect purchase decision. If shooting a short film or feature film. Than I would want to use the software that got me the best image.
@@legendp2011 I agree, Premiere is usually garbage for judging camera quality. This seems to be just another example next to the horrible handling of 10 bit h265/h264 footage.
I bought C200 couple of months ago and I was thinking that i made wrong decision and needed to wait for Komodo but Canon Raw on c200 is amazing and camera is great for any type of job. 10 of 10 for c200 :) Tnx Griffin
I think the c200 is one of the best cameras you can get right now for the money!
@@GriffinConway if you can choose one for your first cinema camera would you choose the c200 or c70?
@@edmundtanfilms agreed. same question!! whats the better image
Great video, Griffin. The Komodo definitely has our attention. Was nice to see some more footage of it.
Cory Weinberg it’s a great camera for those who don’t mind the usability challenges that come with using a small camera with no built in ND’s, xlr’s, not the best autofocus, and no IBIS. That said, the image is really solid and punches above its weight class
Older video obviously but keep in mind, Komodo has settings for not just highlight rolloff (which you mentioned) but also the contrast within the redcode. Great video.
Thanks for taking the time to make the video. It's helpful.
I'M NOT RANDY thank you for watching!
Great video man. I’ve been enjoying all the videos lately!
I’d love to see your color process in premiere if you ever wanted to do a yt vid on it! All your looks are so natural and really real feeling. I definitely admire your work.
Paul Jakob thanks a lot Paul! I really appreciate it. I’ll add that to the backlog of videos for the future 👍
Another Great Comparison, Thanks for the effort and Hard-work Griffin
Kamal Jones thanks a lot Kamal! Really appreciate you checking it out!
Straight to the point, entertaining, clean image. I like, I subscribe.
Keep it up.
Thanks for the kind words! I appreciate it!
I finally got a RED Komodo and still rocking the C200. It’s a good combo IMO
Would you say you could use the C200 autofocus for sideline sports footage?
love your channel! cuz i got a c200 and its so interesting to see your comparisons to the new cams!
Thanks Sebastian! Glad you enjoyed it
If the sensor size, aperture, focal length and lens is the same, why does the Komodo look so much softer/shallower DOF @1:33?
The angle of the cameras affected this. The Komodo was angled towards a background that was slightly further away.
Heads up, missing some audio up front at 0:23
"First section here is going to be full sensor raw mode on both cameras. The Red Komodo was shot in 6k 24p, and on the C200 it goes up to 4k..." Gotta love Premiere Pro bugs lol
Griffin Conway lol oh good old Premiere. I’ve been debating trying to go full in on Resolve.
Alex Schneider right there with you. The only thing keeping me in premiere is a have a team I work with and we are all in premiere
@@GriffinConway dude are you planning to make videos about cine zoom lenses? i think it's gonna be interesting as well, thanks
Amazing. C300 Miii vs Komodo please
Yes that would be a good one! I don’t have a c300 Mark iii but I will try to get one to test and do this comparison
Would like to see a Sony fx9 review of yours
I would absolutely love that too !
I would love to do this test too. I would only want to do it with someone who is competent in the sony system so we could make the tests fair since I don't shoot Sony often.
Always good stuff bro!
Thanks Kleber! Appreciate it bro!
If you ever need to do more tests hit me up. We have a red Komodo that you can use. Keep up the videos! I’m in OC btw
Rayne Films great would love to. Can you shoot me an email with your contact and I’ll reach out to you? Griffin@visioncreativeco.com Thanks!
It s been a while I am watching u. Keep going I love your content.
Yann mlb thank you!
Your test is consistent with my long standing experience with Canons,.....I love canons and consider myself a canon guy but lower light or too much under exposure is always something I have to consider when using canons, be it the c-series or even many of the other dslrs. Having your lighting right with the canons does seem to be more important than say with the sony series or alexas or Nikons.....never used a red camera
Hi Griffin, thanks for that, enjoyed the R5 vs C200 too, and subscribed! How frequently do you ABB (auto black balance) the C200? I get much less noise if done every time I change environment. Big hassle! Is there an equivalent requirement for the RED?
Steven Freitag hey Steven appreciate you checking the video out and subscribing. I try to auto black balance on the c200 at the start of every production day, although sometimes I don’t do it if time doesn’t permit. I’ve found the trick with the c200 is just make sure you never underexpose, and if you can overexpose by about 1 stop without losing highlight detail you will avoid noise. The red has the same black balance process but it’s about 5 times slower!
Hey so I noticed that you’re using a Shinobi with your C200? I’ve been trying to find a screen that will let me monitor when I switch to 4k60 mode in either MP4 or RAW mode. Are you using SDI with yours or HDMI? And does it let you monitor 4k60 in either mode?
Yes I was using the shinobi via sdi even in 4k60p. It will show the image just fine in this mode. If you use HDMI make sure to turn your HDMI max res to 1080
Thanks for this. I ended up getting a shinobi as well. After research I realized none of the monitors I ever bought displayed 60p. They always only went up to 30 & that was my issue. Seemed like unless I wanted to spend a lot more, the Shinobi was the best option for me. Just did a shoot today with it. Thanks again.
Thanks for the comparison! WIth the Canon C200 for corporate interview shoots, which is the best codec you shoot in?
For me personally, I shoot about 90% raw and then just transcode to pro res 422.
@@GriffinConway but if you don't want to shoot raw, would there be a suitable codec that is good enough for corporate work? Thanks!
Do a comparison between 1Dx mark iii vs Sony A7siii.
Could you make a video about setting up your rip and your atomos recorder? just a 1 min taker or something like that, I would love to see how you set your atomos up
ua-cam.com/video/4rs9AMpC26c/v-deo.html 2:17
Killing the UA-cam game right now bro! Keep it up.
Thanks Brad!! Appreciate it bro!
Thanks for the comparison! Why is the DOF so different in the first test? Both have a Super 35 sensor, no? Same aperture?
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The angle of the cameras affected this. The Komodo was angled towards a background that was slightly further away.
Im undecided between the C200 and C70, I want the FX6 but dont feel like waiting until December before they are available. Leaning more towards the C200 to save $2000 but I don't want to only shoot in RAW. Is the 4k 8 bit as bad as they say?
If you can afford it, I would go c70. It’s an amazing camera. Great codec options, nice small raw files with much less noise than the c200. Also, 4k 120p, and much better autofocus modes (whole area af is great).
@@GriffinConway Ok. This man is selling a C200 for $2500. I inspected it and used it, clean and works perfectly. But that DGO and 10 bit is very tempting
Where did you get the Alexa LUT? Do they have one for CLOG2?
It’s built in to premiere /revolve / final cut. I just use the Alexa lut with some additional contrast for clog2
Curious, which Alexa lut did you use for the c200?
It's just the built in one in premiere pro
Love your real world, not too technical comp reviews. I'm looking for a B-cam for my C200. Not sure if I should go with the R5 (B-roll and handheld gimbal) or a C200b (more challenging on a handheld gimbal). I'm having a hard time deciding. Leaning towards the C200b because of the R5s heat related limitations. What do you think? Thanks!
Juan Carlos Pena I have both and 10 out of 10 times I would grab the c200 for professional video work. I love the R5 for photography, and when I’m filming for travel / fun / etc. I find the pro features of the c200 really nice and also it’s a perfect match for the other c200 so it speeds up post production. That said, the best option is if you can rent both and try them for yourself to see which you prefer. Thanks for checking out the video Juan!
Griffin Conway thanks. I appreciate your input. Keep up the great work.
I think red produce rich colour 😉
prores is a big advantage
remember it's a global shutter meshine 🙏
Yes that is true. I couldn’t cover everything in the video otherwise it would be too long.
But not ProRes 12 bit color...
@@sixsoxsex1 prores always small file compare to R3D
How do you think these camera will match in an A-B setting interview? Have you tried skin tone matching? Also , what's the start-up time on the K? Thanks man!!
Hey Juan thanks for checking the video out! The Komodo is quite a bit slower to start up...maybe 30 seconds or so, compared to 7 or 8 seconds on the c200. I haven’t A/B compared in an interview setting but I can tell you this: they can definitely be matched by someone who is skilled at color grading but you would have a much easier time using a camera within the same brand. Canon tends to have more magenta in the skin tones, but if you know your way around your edit suite I’m sure you could match them.
Griffin Conway awesome Griffin. Thank you! Just wondering if you had a chance to do that test .
Great videos man ! Keep it up!
Which camera is better?
Love my C200, but you do have to watch that noise in the shadows. Underexposure equals a big ouch.
Totally agree!
Great video. Thanks for this.
Thanks a lot Scott! Glad you enjoyed it
Do you have a work around solution for proxies on the Komodo? It's a major downside for me that the Komodo can't record proxies in camera.
I haven’t used the camera enough to know the answer to that. I know with other reds you can record proxies at the same time. Hopefully that will come to this camera as well. I use proxies in my workflow all the time.
@@GriffinConway Thanks Griffin, but I don't think it will have internal proxies recording because the computing power and a much smaller chip. Perhaps the next Komodo.
@@GriffinConway It seems the only way to get proxies simultaneously is through a sdi recorder where you get get maximum 4k 12G down sampled footage then pipe the signal to another monitor for monitoring.
By the way, how has your experience been when you edit Komodo footage directly in Premiere or Resolve?
Great video! Would love to see some more of your thoughts on the C500!
Fraser MacMannis hey Fraser! Thanks for checking the video out bro 👍 planning on some more c500 Mark ii videos soon. It is still my favorite camera out of all of them (except for the Alexa mini LF which is $80k lol )
@@GriffinConway Thanks man, keep up the solid vids!
if you have a lens with electronic components, are you able to adjust the lens aperture with the raw?
During shooting, yes I was able to adjust my lens Aputure on my ef glass on the Komodo. Not in post though (not sure if that’s what your asking). Also, at this time RF glass is not supported even though it is RF Mount
with the release of the c70 would you choose the red Komodo or c70?
For me personally, I like the c70 a lot more because of the type of work I do and the other cameras I already own. I like built in ND’s, high quality audio, better slow motion etc. I would give the overall nod to red though if you are looking for the absolute most control over your image. I just don’t like the workflow with red.
Do you think the c200 is a good B camera to the komodo?
Great review - thanks man
Thank you!
Thanks Griffin For Great video
I was very surprised that the C200 looked so much more cinematic than the Komodo
I wish more tests on High iso performance and Auto Foucs in video
Great job
Thanks for watching!
Does autofocus work with sigma art lenses? Thanks!
It does on the canon. I didn’t test it on the Komodo
What halpenee to the audio at 0:24? Amazing video!!!!
Hi, Can you do a soot difference between Canon 1dXmk3 vs Komodo. Thank you
Yes I can try to get this done.
@@GriffinConway Thank you
Great video Griffin! Do you see yourself picking up a Komodo at some point? Also - what are you using to mount your Shinobi up top?
Thanks Sam! I don't think it's the camera for me based on the type of shooting I do. Are you referring to mounting the shinobi on the c200 or the komodo?
How long does it take the C200 to boot up? I own the Komodo, but sometimes I miss shots because it takes 30ish seconds to boot up.
About 7 seconds on the c200
Griffin Conway oh a lot shorter then. Thank you so much! I have not been able to find much info on that.
Glad to help!
awsome vid! but you are missing audio at 0:23
A.J Schofield premiere had an issue when it exported and I was out of time for my “fun UA-cam stuff” and had to get to work on my actual work so I didn’t have time to re export it. Done is better than perfect 😄 thanks for watching!
Very cool :)
The hard thing about ISO under/over is it may be strongly dependent on shooting ISO. Can affect how dynamic range is distributed in the image. So you may get very different recovery results depending on ISO. I kind of suspect this issue is at play here, because I recently saw another Komodo test video where highlight recovery was incredible and dark recovery kind of sucked. Your result didn’t seem to match. It’s probably because you shot at different ISOs and the raw behavior changes with ISO, so we see to different sides of the same coin.
For the BMPCC4K there’s published charts and you’ll get very different results if your shooting base ISO wasn’t optimal for the recovery you want to be able to do in post. Unless you shoot for that chart (or always stick to some ISOs you know how dynamic range is distributed for a given ISO) you won’t get optimal recovery.
You’d also saw creators like Max Y and Gerald Undone giving very different advise about how to shoot BMPCC. Max eventually was unhappy about the work needed to get great image. Gerald had very clever tricks for optimizing for always recoverable highlights when exposing to the right in raw, how to always know your DR was optimally distributed. One could imagine that’s Geralds crazy techy approach to get best image actually paid of in easier grading in post.
For REDs and Canons I’m not sure how important this is, if the under/over results are as strongly tied to how you shot it as on BMPCC.
Probably a hard topic to cover in a versus style test as you have to know optimal settings for both cameras for the fairest/best results.
Ya it's always tough when testing cameras as you want to make it fair and there is no perfect way to do it. Thanks for watching the video!
Thank you for the awesome video🙏
My pleasure! Thanks for watching!
I want to know how you colour grade. do you have a course
I actually have a video on it. Just check the videos on my channel it’s about 2 or 3 videos back
The Canon has more dynamic range, handles highlight a bit better, and gives a much more natural tone to the colors particularly skin tones. Where the RED is more orange and saturated. Also, the crop on the super 35, not good.
BTW, didn't know you were a long tall drink of water. You join the ranks of other tall youtube camera guys that look short when doing talking head shots: Gerald Undone, Peter McKennon. I'm 6'4 so I can relate, not criticizing.
excuse me but are you high? RED has way better highlight rolloff and way better dynamic range. On top of that there's global shutter. Sensor size hasn't mattered for years, since you can buy a speed booster on top of other pros with the RF mount.
Thanks for checking the video out Krane!
@@YourProEntertainment "Way better highlight roll-off?" Sounds like you're the one that's been smoking the peace pipe bub. It doesn't appear so here. And sure, I can't argue a global shutter has its advantages, but its not the end-all of video recording. On the other hand, I will give it credit for its compact size over the C-200, that could at times give it a more usable advantage, ergonomics notwithstanding.
As for the sensor, size does matter. And in this case, the Komodo lags behind with its need to crop. BTW, Videographers have been crying out for a FF video cameras for years and Canon is one of the few manufactures to step up to the plate and offer the C-500 MK II at a price that doesn't require you to take out a second mortgage to finance it.
In any event, the Komodo is an admirable entry -- especially from RED who has a reputation of never playing well with 3rd-party accessories. With this entry, they're not forcing you to purchase their in-house recording media right out of the gate. (you still get a warning)
Its step forward global shutter alone, is not enough to offset the single card slot, crop, quirky auto focus, and no internal stabilization. Combined, the limitation cause it to lag behind when compared to the C-200. I'm not saying is a bad camera, just that I feel those compromises, at least in this test, relocate it come in at second place.
@@GriffinConway My pleasure.
@@krane15 I see you start talking about videography, which is a separate audience. How I approach this is as looking at cinema cameras and cameras suitable for commercial work. Sure, videographers might want some specific gimmicks such as full frame, but really what's the real reason behind wanting full frame? Bigger pixels or shallower depth of field? You can get either of those with a decent image quality, easy. Hell, you can even buy MF if you love shallow depth of field, but it still won't make your images look better.
We've had fully functioning full frame DSLR's for more than a decade. It's just that we now have smaller bodies and lenses which attract a lot of buying customers on the videography end. But then again if you're doing videography with no intention of commercial stuff, why would you spend 6k on a camera body?
I don't condone RED for their business practices, but this is probably the 2nd biggest change in the camera world they've done. Global shutter is amazing and helps a ton with CGI work. I doubt there's that many people that cry for internal stabilization or auto-focus or single card slot in the commercial field. Those "flaws" are backed up by other things standard to commercial work. I'd even go as far as to say that the prettiest lenses have no auto-focus, but then again if you're looking at this from a videography stand point, you'd probably want AF and you don't rent the lenses. Still, I'd not recommend c200 for videography. For documentary run n' gun it would be a really sweet camera, not gonna lie. But if you do that, then you have a lot more options for bodies.
How do you compare the c500 mk ii and the komodo?
I think the c500 is in another league for most use cases, but it seems there is a lot of interest in this comparison so I am considering doing it!
@@GriffinConway That'd be very helpful. I've already decided to get a Komodo and sell my trusty C200B. The no proxies workflow does seem to be a major difficulty however I could pass on the Komodo's image quality.
@@GriffinConway Still waiting on the video...
How and where do you order this beta Komodo?
I rented off sharegrid
I found the Komodo image to be much more similar to an Arri look. The C200 also looked good, but mostly more green. It's something that can be compensated for in post, but I think the Red has nicer colors in these demo shots.
In my experience I have always found Arri to be much greener than the c200 when at the same white balance. I would love to see them side by side though....maybe in a future test!
@griffinconway hey mate love the videos - doing a stellar job. Was just wondering if you would be getting your hands on the c300mk3 at some point. I’m a c200 owner - loving the camera - but with the release of the c70 I’m wondering if it’s worth me making a change over to it in order to get the RF mount, positives of a smaller body and the c300mk3 DGO sensor and 10b422 (at the expense of raw). I figure as the c300mk3 has the same sensor and XFAVC codec as the c70 so would be great to compare that to the c200 and get an almost 2-for-1 comparison of c300, c200 & c70. My main hurdle for a change would be dynamic range - if the c70/c300 XAVC codec still retains the same or more dynamic range as the c200 I’d be interested in jumping over.
Anyway, you Channel is great, the format for your reviews and insights is genuinely helpful.
Thanks so much for the kind words. I’ve been planning on testing the C300 Mark iii but haven’t got around to it. I pre ordered the c70 to add to the production kit. I’ll be doing some more testing with both of those cameras in the future for sure!
Griffin Conway nice one ☝️definitely will be looking forward to it. And again - keep doing what you’re doing - lots of people out there doing reviews etc, but your content really stands apart 👌
dude! thanks for this one!
Thanks for watching!
Anyone know where I can get my hands on a used c200?
Try the c200 users facebook group I always see them for sale there
0.24 audio cut out my dude
I’m not sure what you’re seeing? They look quite different to me
Nice honest comparison. C200 is a fine camera! Komodo looks great too!
I agree! Both great tools for sure. Thanks for checking the video out!
Wow. Would love to see more tests in more dynamic lighting conditions tbh.
The komodo for 6 grand outright beats the c200 mkii in my opinion, and the c200 is 10 grand? No competition.
There is no c200 mkii, just c200 and c200b, for 6 and 5 grand aprox
@@inkusaido c200b is $4k, nearly bought one. Went with the Komodo instead.
@@readytochop2462 you're right, I was looking at prices in Europe. I think he got confused with the c300 cameras.
Both cameras look amazing
I agree!
what top handle are you using?
I’m assuming you mean on the Komodo...it was a rental but the top handle was from small rig
Griffin Conway thank you
4:59 - "usable image" OBJECTION YOUR HONOR!!!
In davinci you have all raw settings like iso, highlights, shadows etc. so iam using resolve . Great comparison , thanks for that video 👌✌️
Is love to see a similar comparison between the Komodo and the Sony A7S3.
I would love to get an a7s iii for testing as well!
I have both and I have to give one up...🤔
Both are great cameras for different uses!
next vs the c70??
Yes 😄
Thank you for the thoughtful video. Really enjoyed the comparison. RED is super attractive in post. Canon may be better for short handed, run and gun jobs.
Totally agree with you there Joe. Thanks for checking out the video!
No mention of the global shutter.. The main feature.
Like I said in the video, I didn’t mean for it to be a in depth comparison it was more of a first look. Can’t cover everything in 10 minutes 🙂
The best review i've seen in youtube, one more subscribe, thx
Thank you William!
The C200 with the Lut used has a very video-ish roll-off with red clipping and looks much harsher overall. RED cameras usually look much more harsh than ARRI in comparison.
I really think the Lut used on the C200 doesn't do it any justice at all - you would be better off by just using the official Canon Luts which look much smoother.
The c200 looks much smoother with the Arri lut that I used than with the stock Canon luts. I hardly ever use those.
@@GriffinConway hold on, the official conversions look even worse?
@@GriffinConway only tried C-Log2 to Rec709 Wide DR which actually looked really smooth on the C300MKIII at least
*Nice comparation, Made in China (RED) versus Made in Japan (Canon). Lets see!*
👍
The White Komodos are hand built in red’s LA location, not China
@@seanvelasco-dodge Sure they are like many other things they claim are made in the US and are low quality products from china. Check this video and stop beeing a RED fanboy. Open your eyes.
ua-cam.com/channels/aXkBP-tPP-gIYXdABi7vjA.html
Griffin, what do you think of the C70?
I pre ordered one as soon as they were available. It looks incredible to me, especially with that sensor and at that price point
Definitely c200 cuz it’s better for unprepared locations due to autofocus, handles, viewfinder etc and it’s beats red’s footage controls cuz it’s not as good in non studio environments.
Wow...imagine living in a country where you can just rent whatever you need. In Ireland we only have two rental houses that will serve smaller productions that aren’t run by Netflix (like Vikings) and only one that has the Alexa Mini. And they only got it last year. There’s no chance we’ll be be able to rent something like the Komodo for another 3-4 years...
I know. It appears as though one can rent anything in the bigger cities in the US. The American you tubers/reviewers say, ‘Why not rent xyz and see what you think’. Dang, I wish. Oh well. 😄
Do services like lens rentals service Ireland? Sorry to hear about that. I was only speaking from my personal experience, which is of course limited to my knowledge of my region/country etc. To be honest, I didn’t know I had Ilan international viewers. Thanks for watching!
@@GriffinConway oh don’t worry I’m not saying anything against you or what you said in the video. It’s just the situation here in Ireland that we only have two somewhat decent rental houses who’ll serve smaller productions and production companies. The bigger ones we have won’t even answer you unless you’re working for Netflix or some big budget feature shooting here. And even still they don’t get new stuff in that often. They just have a bit more choice than the smaller ones we have here. We aren’t getting the Komodo anytime soon
John Kelly ah sorry to hear that man! One silver lining I can say is Ireland is a beautiful place. I visited with my family when I was much younger and just remember thinking how beautiful the landscapes were.
Also, awesome video ❤️
David John Balce thanks David!
Kevin, great dude. Industry standard.
"For the C200 I just used an Alexa out and 120% saturation"
Please tell you're joking 💀
Come for the comp, stay for the model.
Hahaha can’t blame you
Thanks Griffin!
Christopher Wadsworth my pleasure. Thanks for checking the video out Christopher!
C200 por precio, autofoco y usabilidad
Significant crop on the commode. Me think.
Great video Griffing! The C200 is a great value camera!
Jaime Jr King totally agree! It’s still my favorite sub-$6k camera out of all of them
Great video as always Griffin. The Komodo is definitely the camera I’ve waited for ;)
Nice Paule! That's going to be a great camera for a lot of people
ahh cant wait for the canon speedbooster to rock it on the komodo
Johan Van Der Merwe that will be a game changer!
1:56 no they not similar