Man thank you for this video! I have the same sight and was confused how to set it up correctly. You made a short to the point, well explained video thank you!!
Thank you for this video! This is the best explanation I've seen on setting up a slider sight, not only on S&S Archery's channel, but also on UA-cam as whole!
Well I don't have my sight yet but I spoke with Rob today 2 times because I forgot the code he gave me for Law Enforcement once we started talking about the Black Gold Stream like series I got all excited and well forgot the other important stuff. I appreciate you got a customer here for the help and willingness to help 💪🏽💪🏽
excellent explanation and video on sighting in for my first slider... just got my B.G. pro sight... this helped a lot to understand the procedure.... THANKYOU!
Thanks Rob I purchased 3 of the custom HD pro's last month from you all. Love the site took my first turkey with it yesterday..Hopefully a few deer to come over the next few months..Very helpful video and thanks for taking getting the sites out to me fast S&S is top notch!. Black Gold customer service is also top notch they added all red fibers to my pins for me cuz there's too much green here in Vermont gotta have the red. Good luck to all this season.
Great technique for getting the right sight tape for sure. Establishing the gap between 20 and 60 is great. Unfortunately the transition from that step to alignment of the 40 yard definitely hit the point of “confusing”. Got into trouble then. 😢
Hey Donovan... Sorry i missed this comment. I do actually hear that sometimes, but the key is to remember that setting up your sight tape is not correlated to the fixed pins. It makes no sense, but they are separate, so the best advice i can give is to not think about it.. just follow the instructions. Feel free to call us anytime with questions! -rob
Thank you for the video, so even after you sight in your fix pins that floater pin will remain at the right yardage that the indicator is pointing at?....
@@THEHUNTJOURNALyour 40 yard pin (floater) will be sighted in at 40, so once you establish your 40 yard fixed with the pointer on 40 yard mark on the site tap it will take over when you adjust your elevation knob whether shorter or longer distance. This sight is awesome once you have it dialed in. Like he stated take the time and do it right and it is smooth sailing from then on!
I have a question about this sight that I’ve not found an answer in the comments to yet but hopefully I can make this clear. Does your third pin that you use for the floater move by itself or does the whole sight housing move so if the bottom pin is set to 40 and you adjust it to 50 does the top two pins stay at 20 and 30 or does the second pin move to 40 and the first moves to 30 hopefully I was able to explain that good enough. Thank You!
just clarification towards end of video set up on 3 pin sight. You manually set your 30 & 40 yd pins. I am assuming before you do that you dail your sight tape to 30 or 40 yds pins asnd then manually adjust? That part was not clear- where is the sight tape when you do the 30 and 40 yard pins? Set at the 20 default or set at 30 and 40?
No. Dial stays in its default position. The dial and pins have no relationship unless you are dialing in a yardage for your floater. With the dial in its default position, move the pins individually to sight in their yardages.
It helped me to think of it this way - When using the dial, only use your floater. When using the three pins, with your housing in standard position, ignore the sight tape. Is that correct?
I’m still a bit confused. I have watched 3 videos now and I’m like 75% the way to fully understanding what to do but I have the newest version that has a few things this sight you have doesn’t have and I don’t know how they pertain to your instructions. However your video has been very helpful so thank you.
Would this process work if sight is dialed all the way up? Also with this method shown to use sight as a normal 3 pin sight you just make sure that indicator is at 40 then you know your top two pins are 20/30?
It shouldn't matter, as long as the indicator is on the same mark on the sight as the paper. In other words, if you shoot to 40, you make a mark on the sight at the indicator, then put the tape on so the number 40 is at the indicator. This works for any of the distances
Hi, nice video but I am a little confused. Why put the 40 yard mark on the sight tape next to needle indicator which is currently sitting at 20? if you do this, the needle indicator is set at 20 but the sight tape is showing 40. Shouldn't you be putting the 20 yard mark on the sight tape next to the needle indicator which is at 20?
that really depends on your draw weight, and more importantly your peep height in relation to your nock. But most should be able to get out to 80-100 provided your floater pin is near the bottom of the housing.
You bet. The only limitation to your max range is your fletchings hitting the housing. If you setup your default position the way we recommend with the pistol and tape bar flush, then you should be able to dial in a range from 20ish to 80+ yards.
What if we do not do it the way you had the slider flush and decide to have the default position at the very top. Then our floater will have to be the top pin?
No, you can still use what ever pin you want for the floater. You will be limited to dialing a distance PAST the yardage of your floater pin. So if you want to use your 20 pin as your floater, you'll be able to dial any yardage past 20 yards, but your max yardage will be much closer.. probably a max of 60 depending on your setup. Or if you decide to make your 60 yard pin the floater with the default position at the top, you won't be able to dial yardages closer than 60 yards, but you will be able to shoot out farther distances. HOWEVER, hitting your sight housing with the arrow fletchings is what limits the top end. So we recommend using the bottom pin as your floater and setting the tops flush. That way you can dial any distance from 20 yards out past 100 with your bottom pin as the floater.
So if you raise it all the way up and set your pins 20,30,40. Then match your tape to your two marker points (20&40) you can dial down to whatever you want and use you 20 pin for whatever yardage it’s on and your 40 pin to whatever ever yardage it’s on ?
This is confusing me, I have a dual indicator also. So following all the same steps as in the video which indicator/pointer do I put at 40 the top or bottom?
That is the Spider Archery Tracker 8" sandsarchery.com/collections/spider-archery-products/products/spider-archery-tracker-carbon-fiber-hunting-stabilizer
What if i wanted to use the top pin as the floater pin? Where should the default position of sight be? And how far out would you be able to shoot out to then?
We suggest running your default position all the way at the top if your planning on using your top pin as the floater instead of running it flush. You should have a lot of adjustment on the sight tape as running it flush. You might have clearance issues with the bottom of the scope and your arrow however. Kind of a trial and error until you figure out whats the best setup for you.
If I have two indicators and I use my bottom pin as my floater pin… and I want a set up at 20,30,40 …. I will sight in my bottom pin at 20 and use my bottom pin to site in at 60 correct? This is where I get confused…… Then I will find the matching site tape and put my tape on the bottom indicator on 40 or on 60? trying to get as much range as possible.. once I do that then I will individually move my pins to match 20 yards, 30 and 40 correct?
So you sighted in the 20 yard first in the default position. Then you used the 20 yard and got the 60 yard to find the correct tape. Then you placed the tape on a set the 20 yard pin in default thus being set. Then you line up the 2 and 3 pin to the correct yardage on the tape correct?
Not exactly. When you place the tape on the sight, make sure the pointer is pointing at the yardage of your slider pin. Typically that is your bottom pin, so if your bottom pins is 40 yards, have the pointer pointing at 40, if its 60 yards, have the pointer pointing at 60. Then sight in the remaining pins as usual. DO NOT OVER THINK THIS PART. Just do it.
@@SandSArchery thank you. I already have one Ascent on my Vertix and I just bought the whitetail version for my backup bow. Just wanted to make sure I do this one correctly. Thank you for putting out great quality videos.
I am more confused now than I was before. What I did with my five pin was sighted in 20 through 60 and then my 60 pin is my floater.. so my site tape starts at 60 and goes down to 100. Did I technically do the same thing as you just my 60 is a set pin and 20 through 50 can be moved freely?
Sounds like your default position has the housing maxed out at the top. Nothing wrong with that, but it does limit your dialed shots to 60 yards and over.
@@SandSArchery I have total archery challenge San Antonio coming up in two weeks and then I plan to restring my bow. I will probably make that change after that. Thank you for the advice.
If your floater is your bottom pin, say 60 yards, with the sight tape bar flush as the default position you can dial any yardage from about 25 yards out past 100 using the bottom floater pin. If you want to set your top pin as your floater and make the default position the very top of the dial, you will be able to dial from 20 yards and up, but the top end range will be VERY limited.. probably around 60 yards because you will start hitting your fletchings sooner. Hope that makes sense.
Simply because you can also move the pointer on the tape. Choosing the sight tape is really just about arrow drop and is a separate process from setting up your pins. Just move the pointer on the tape to match the yardage of the pin you are using as the floater when the sight is in its default position.
So I just guess what 60 yards will be on the sight and use the 20 yard pin to shoot at 60?? Scary sounds like I’m going to be saying good bye to a arrow😅
Work your way out from 20 dial a little, shoot 40, dial a little shoot 50, dial a little shoot 60, With all the slider sights there's no set distance on where 60 yards should be, Unfortunately its a guessing game.
I just can’t see not being able for anyone capable of going into the field to try and kill a living animal NOT being able to figure out how to setup and use a tool as simple as this scope. It ain’t rocket science people! Kinda scary to think these people are driving a vehicle.
Ever stop to wonder if maybe a first time bow shooter is looking to setup their bow for the first time? Maybe they are brand new to archery and just bought a bow and sight. Maybe they aren't sure how to set one up and wanted to watch this video? How about you stop talking down to everyone from your high throne of knowledge and try to understand some people are just starting out in archery. Maybe try and help first time bow shooters out at the range with their sights instead of treating them like inferior human beings. We all had to start somewhere. People with attitudes like yours are only a detriment to the sport of archery. Help the young kids or new shooters learn the ropes instead of being a know it all dick in the UA-cam comments.
@@stephenh6438 well you make an excellent point. There are people that have little to no mechanical aptitude and would have a difficult time. There is multiple videos on setting up equipment. But my point still stands- if one can’t get this done do they need to be trying to kill an animal?
@Tim Gruver Some people may struggle with the concept, and others may understand immediately. That doesn't mean they shouldn't be denied the chance to hunt. What if buddy has a hard time adjusting his sight but is naturally excellent at tracking animal sign? Is he less qualified than the guy who dialed in his sight first time but walks through a bedding area without having a clue what it is? Everyone has their strengths and weaknesses in archery. Your job as a "pro" is to help foster the abilities of the people who aren't as good as you yet. That frustrated kid at the range who can't dial his sight in may toss the bow in his closet and never touch it again because he can't get it right. If you helped him and explained it, he may end up being better than you one day. Most professionals didn't get there without the struggle or the practice we all face. Don't be so quick to write people off. My point still stands.....give people a chance or a helping hand if they can't get it.
The simple fact that you offered your phone number made me subscribe. I've never seen anyone do that before. Awesome video. Thank you so much 🙏🙏🙏
This was one of the best explanations for sighting a slider I've seen on youtube. Good job!
Outstanding big bad Robert the Marine! This man knows his business so listen up learn and always thank a Marine!!!
Thanks George!
Man thank you for this video! I have the same sight and was confused how to set it up correctly. You made a short to the point, well explained video thank you!!
Agreed, other videos are way too complicated and confusing. This one was good!
Thank you for this video! This is the best explanation I've seen on setting up a slider sight, not only on S&S Archery's channel, but also on UA-cam as whole!
Thanks Rob my LIFT finally arrived and was having issues with floater pin I’m my pro hunter HD and now I know !
Well I don't have my sight yet but I spoke with Rob today 2 times because I forgot the code he gave me for Law Enforcement once we started talking about the Black Gold Stream like series I got all excited and well forgot the other important stuff. I appreciate you got a customer here for the help and willingness to help 💪🏽💪🏽
I was super confused before I saw this video. Thanks!
excellent explanation and video on sighting in for my first slider... just got my B.G. pro sight... this helped a lot to understand the procedure.... THANKYOU!
Thanks Rob I purchased 3 of the custom HD pro's last month from you all. Love the site took my first turkey with it yesterday..Hopefully a few deer to come over the next few months..Very helpful video and thanks for taking getting the sites out to me fast S&S is top notch!. Black Gold customer service is also top notch they added all red fibers to my pins for me cuz there's too much green here in Vermont gotta have the red. Good luck to all this season.
Good luck this year!
Great technique for getting the right sight tape for sure. Establishing the gap between 20 and 60 is great. Unfortunately the transition from that step to alignment of the 40 yard definitely hit the point of “confusing”. Got into trouble then. 😢
Hey Donovan... Sorry i missed this comment. I do actually hear that sometimes, but the key is to remember that setting up your sight tape is not correlated to the fixed pins. It makes no sense, but they are separate, so the best advice i can give is to not think about it.. just follow the instructions. Feel free to call us anytime with questions! -rob
Thank you for the video, so even after you sight in your fix pins that floater pin will remain at the right yardage that the indicator is pointing at?....
@@THEHUNTJOURNALyour 40 yard pin (floater) will be sighted in at 40, so once you establish your 40 yard fixed with the pointer on 40 yard mark on the site tap it will take over when you adjust your elevation knob whether shorter or longer distance. This sight is awesome once you have it dialed in. Like he stated take the time and do it right and it is smooth sailing from then on!
@@zacharypiper4403 thank you!!
This is basically the process of setting up a Spott Hogg. Using pencil lines instead of their calibration tape. Works like a charm
Very interesting and detailed video. I went a different route when setting up my Gold Pro. I may have to try your way just out of curiosity.
Very good video. Thank you
Awesome guide... Thanks for the excellent content!!
Thanks Bryson! -Rob
Thank you this is really helpful
That's the range I go to :) Thank you for the video! Going to go there tomorrow and try to sight my black gold in
Thanks man!
This is such a logical process. Appreciate it!
Thanks for watching. Glad it helped
Excellent vid…subbed!
SF!
Excellent video. This is exactly what I was seeking. Thank you.
thanks for waching!
Good job
I have a question about this sight that I’ve not found an answer in the comments to yet but hopefully I can make this clear. Does your third pin that you use for the floater move by itself or does the whole sight housing move so if the bottom pin is set to 40 and you adjust it to 50 does the top two pins stay at 20 and 30 or does the second pin move to 40 and the first moves to 30 hopefully I was able to explain that good enough. Thank You!
just clarification towards end of video set up on 3 pin sight. You manually set your 30 & 40 yd pins. I am assuming before you do that you dail your sight tape to 30 or 40 yds pins asnd then manually adjust? That part was not clear- where is the sight tape when you do the 30 and 40 yard pins? Set at the 20 default or set at 30 and 40?
No. Dial stays in its default position. The dial and pins have no relationship unless you are dialing in a yardage for your floater. With the dial in its default position, move the pins individually to sight in their yardages.
It helped me to think of it this way - When using the dial, only use your floater. When using the three pins, with your housing in standard position, ignore the sight tape. Is that correct?
yep!
I’m still a bit confused. I have watched 3 videos now and I’m like 75% the way to fully understanding what to do but I have the newest version that has a few things this sight you have doesn’t have and I don’t know how they pertain to your instructions. However your video has been very helpful so thank you.
I can try to help you over this thread or you could give us a call at (208) 495-4222
Would this process work if sight is dialed all the way up? Also with this method shown to use sight as a normal 3 pin sight you just make sure that indicator is at 40 then you know your top two pins are 20/30?
I just got my site in the mail.
What size allen do i need for adjusting pin 2-3?
Thanks
So after you get ur marks and find ur tape do you move the dial to 40 before you stick it
It shouldn't matter, as long as the indicator is on the same mark on the sight as the paper. In other words, if you shoot to 40, you make a mark on the sight at the indicator, then put the tape on so the number 40 is at the indicator. This works for any of the distances
Would the second pin be sighted in for 30?
Hi, nice video but I am a little confused. Why put the 40 yard mark on the sight tape next to needle indicator which is currently sitting at 20? if you do this, the needle indicator is set at 20 but the sight tape is showing 40. Shouldn't you be putting the 20 yard mark on the sight tape next to the needle indicator which is at 20?
only if you are using your 20 pin as the floater. Most will use their 3rd pin or 40 yard pin as the floater.
I started flush but topped out my pin and gang adjustment and was still shooting high.
Thanks Rob, same with ‘single’ pin? Sight in distance from 20 and 60?
Great video! Thank you. Just curious with this set up and setting your floater at 40 how far out can you adjust your floating pin? 80 ?
that really depends on your draw weight, and more importantly your peep height in relation to your nock. But most should be able to get out to 80-100 provided your floater pin is near the bottom of the housing.
Thank you for explaining this. It definitely helped. But can I use that floater out to 60-100 too? My floater is the 40 pin. Thank you
You bet. The only limitation to your max range is your fletchings hitting the housing. If you setup your default position the way we recommend with the pistol and tape bar flush, then you should be able to dial in a range from 20ish to 80+ yards.
What if we do not do it the way you had the slider flush and decide to have the default position at the very top. Then our floater will have to be the top pin?
No, you can still use what ever pin you want for the floater. You will be limited to dialing a distance PAST the yardage of your floater pin. So if you want to use your 20 pin as your floater, you'll be able to dial any yardage past 20 yards, but your max yardage will be much closer.. probably a max of 60 depending on your setup. Or if you decide to make your 60 yard pin the floater with the default position at the top, you won't be able to dial yardages closer than 60 yards, but you will be able to shoot out farther distances. HOWEVER, hitting your sight housing with the arrow fletchings is what limits the top end. So we recommend using the bottom pin as your floater and setting the tops flush. That way you can dial any distance from 20 yards out past 100 with your bottom pin as the floater.
So if you raise it all the way up and set your pins 20,30,40. Then match your tape to your two marker points (20&40) you can dial down to whatever you want and use you 20 pin for whatever yardage it’s on and your 40 pin to whatever ever yardage it’s on ?
That is how the dual indicator works. Yes. The video was focused on using the single indicator
This is confusing me, I have a dual indicator also.
So following all the same steps as in the video which indicator/pointer do I put at 40 the top or bottom?
Good video. What stabilizer are you using?
That is the Spider Archery Tracker 8" sandsarchery.com/collections/spider-archery-products/products/spider-archery-tracker-carbon-fiber-hunting-stabilizer
What if i wanted to use the top pin as the floater pin? Where should the default position of sight be? And how far out would you be able to shoot out to then?
We suggest running your default position all the way at the top if your planning on using your top pin as the floater instead of running it flush. You should have a lot of adjustment on the sight tape as running it flush. You might have clearance issues with the bottom of the scope and your arrow however. Kind of a trial and error until you figure out whats the best setup for you.
This is good in theory but it's going to change once you slap on broadheads.
You're not wrong. But that's where proper tuning comes in. Fixed blade tuning is a process in and of itself.
If I have two indicators and I use my bottom pin as my floater pin… and I want a set up at 20,30,40 …. I will sight in my bottom pin at 20 and use my bottom pin to site in at 60 correct? This is where I get confused……
Then I will find the matching site tape and put my tape on the bottom indicator on 40 or on 60? trying to get as much range as possible.. once I do that then I will individually move my pins to match 20 yards, 30 and 40 correct?
Hey Tommy, that is not correct. Please give me a call so we can go over it with you! rob 208-495-4222
So you sighted in the 20 yard first in the default position. Then you used the 20 yard and got the 60 yard to find the correct tape. Then you placed the tape on a set the 20 yard pin in default thus being set. Then you line up the 2 and 3 pin to the correct yardage on the tape correct?
Not exactly. When you place the tape on the sight, make sure the pointer is pointing at the yardage of your slider pin. Typically that is your bottom pin, so if your bottom pins is 40 yards, have the pointer pointing at 40, if its 60 yards, have the pointer pointing at 60. Then sight in the remaining pins as usual. DO NOT OVER THINK THIS PART. Just do it.
@@SandSArchery thank you. I already have one Ascent on my Vertix and I just bought the whitetail version for my backup bow. Just wanted to make sure I do this one correctly. Thank you for putting out great quality videos.
I am more confused now than I was before. What I did with my five pin was sighted in 20 through 60 and then my 60 pin is my floater.. so my site tape starts at 60 and goes down to 100.
Did I technically do the same thing as you just my 60 is a set pin and 20 through 50 can be moved freely?
Sounds like your default position has the housing maxed out at the top. Nothing wrong with that, but it does limit your dialed shots to 60 yards and over.
@@SandSArchery I have total archery challenge San Antonio coming up in two weeks and then I plan to restring my bow. I will probably make that change after that. Thank you for the advice.
I dont understand what the advantage of moving your lower pin up to 25yds as opposed to moving your top pin down to 25 yds. What am i missing?
If your floater is your bottom pin, say 60 yards, with the sight tape bar flush as the default position you can dial any yardage from about 25 yards out past 100 using the bottom floater pin. If you want to set your top pin as your floater and make the default position the very top of the dial, you will be able to dial from 20 yards and up, but the top end range will be VERY limited.. probably around 60 yards because you will start hitting your fletchings sooner. Hope that makes sense.
@@SandSArchery Ah, fletching clearance. I always forget about that part
So does FPS not matter when selecting the right tape ? I see it’s labeled above each individual tape ?
You bet! however its not as accurate as finding the drop from 20 to 60.
Thanks I appreciate you taking the time to respond!
Is this sight in process the same for the single pin slider, I have the black gold ascent whitetail sight
Finding your tape is the same process.
Can you explain why you can move your floater pin after you put the site tape on?
Simply because you can also move the pointer on the tape. Choosing the sight tape is really just about arrow drop and is a separate process from setting up your pins. Just move the pointer on the tape to match the yardage of the pin you are using as the floater when the sight is in its default position.
So do you use the floater pin to shoot 70,80,90 etc or the bottom pin which was for 60?
What size is that Allen wrench for the pins?
5/64
what pin did you shoot 20 and 60 with the top pin or bottom ?
We used the top pin.
So I just guess what 60 yards will be on the sight and use the 20 yard pin to shoot at 60?? Scary sounds like I’m going to be saying good bye to a arrow😅
Work your way out from 20 dial a little, shoot 40, dial a little shoot 50, dial a little shoot 60, With all the slider sights there's no set distance on where 60 yards should be, Unfortunately its a guessing game.
I dialed to 40 and then to 60 it was super easy
What is this sight name?
This sight is called the S&S Backcountry Pro Hunter. sandsarchery.com/collections/black-gold-sights/products/backcountry-pro-hunter
@@SandSArchery thank you for reply
I just can’t see not being able for anyone capable of going into the field to try and kill a living animal NOT being able to figure out how to setup and use a tool as simple as this scope. It ain’t rocket science people! Kinda scary to think these people are driving a vehicle.
What?
Ever stop to wonder if maybe a first time bow shooter is looking to setup their bow for the first time? Maybe they are brand new to archery and just bought a bow and sight. Maybe they aren't sure how to set one up and wanted to watch this video? How about you stop talking down to everyone from your high throne of knowledge and try to understand some people are just starting out in archery. Maybe try and help first time bow shooters out at the range with their sights instead of treating them like inferior human beings. We all had to start somewhere. People with attitudes like yours are only a detriment to the sport of archery. Help the young kids or new shooters learn the ropes instead of being a know it all dick in the UA-cam comments.
@@stephenh6438 well you make an excellent point. There are people that have little to no mechanical aptitude and would have a difficult time. There is multiple videos on setting up equipment. But my point still stands- if one can’t get this done do they need to be trying to kill an animal?
@Tim Gruver Some people may struggle with the concept, and others may understand immediately. That doesn't mean they shouldn't be denied the chance to hunt. What if buddy has a hard time adjusting his sight but is naturally excellent at tracking animal sign? Is he less qualified than the guy who dialed in his sight first time but walks through a bedding area without having a clue what it is? Everyone has their strengths and weaknesses in archery. Your job as a "pro" is to help foster the abilities of the people who aren't as good as you yet. That frustrated kid at the range who can't dial his sight in may toss the bow in his closet and never touch it again because he can't get it right. If you helped him and explained it, he may end up being better than you one day. Most professionals didn't get there without the struggle or the practice we all face. Don't be so quick to write people off. My point still stands.....give people a chance or a helping hand if they can't get it.