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I have hauled up to 17,000 pounds of live cattle with my 04 Silverado HD 2500 . The 8.1 vortec gas engine doesn't even grunt. With that load. The 5th wheel trailers does squat the truck down. The truck weighs 7200 empty with the toper on. It's a beast. 4 doors great seats everything money cold get in the day. It won't pass the gas station though.
That white truck on the ram website is a tradesman model so it has a much higher tow capacity than a Laramie or a limited that truck has somewhere between 3-4k payload.
Right, The tradesmen has a higher payload but you have to be in a regular cab to hit 3K payload. That was an extended cab Regardless of those details, kind of the point of the video is that a lot of people don’t know that so I was trying to share the information. My truck has 19,000 tow capacity rating, it’s just the payload that I didn’t understand before ordering
I used to haul commercially, with a 3/4 Ram. Reading through the comments somethings to note, as most are about moving campers. I hauled travel trailers from the manufactures to the dealers across and into several states. I had to get the DOT inspection, run under the FMSCA rules (DOT rules) and log miles and hours and stop at weight stations. 1) Personal travel trailers and 5th wheels are exempt from DOT rules. A 2500 will handle a 5th wheel with added air springs like Air Lift. The brakes, frame, transfer case gearing, drive shaft, rear end, axles (SRW to SRW) are all the same. The transmission is different, because the 3/4 is not a HO engine and the 3/4 transmission cannot handle the HP of the HO engine. 2) Joe public is not held accountable when pulling travel trailer over the 26,001 CDL limits. That is in writing and is law. You can legally drive, and haul more then then 26,001 limit. This is why you see people hauling the triple axle toy haulers loaded. Those are thousands over the 26,001 limits. Also driving the big class A motor homes, those are 40k plus and you don't need an CDL if personally owned. An officer may pull you over, but even if it is a DOT trooper they cannot cite you for any DOT violations as long as you are not hauling for pay (any hauling for pay is subject to the CDL rules even under 26,0001 pounds). 3) Farm also have their exemptions, check with your state. TX where I am at, you can pull over the 26,001 limit if you are farm and moving your equipment and not getting paid to move equipment. The 2500 has cheaper registrations, and taxes to pay yearly. Watch what state you are going through, some states only see the 1 tons as a commercial vehicle even if it is for personal reasons and pulling your personal RV. You can be subject to the local state laws and they can fine you if you don't have the additional permits to run a commercial vehicle through their state. For the limits and registrations check with your states Department of Motor Vehicles. That is is the law side of what you can do, don't bother to ask the registration office, they collect taxes and do the registrations based on what the law says, or what they think the law says. The enforcement side is where you need to check.
Well perfect timing I was wondering about this. I spent all day watching your videos lol. The best part I just moved to Dallas from Tampa Bay. Planning on buying 100+acre lot. Trying to see what I'm in for.
Same here I've been using my 2007 2500 for hotshot and rv transport, many fall to realize they need to go to a truck stop with a cat scale and weight the unit to know the true weight cdl or non cdl.
I believe the wording is for recreational use and not for hire,has to meet both categories. If I understand it correctly that applies to the in the truck bed style camper and any coach style trailer.... there is different language when you get into other non coach trailers where the 10,001 lbs GVWR matters or puts one into FMCSA / DOT Rules.... it applies for pickup trucks with a service body or non factory style too, that's why you will see companies buy the 9900 gvwr and service bodies, 10,001 or larger are supposed to be under DOT regulations.
I was just at a dealership today looking the same truck. Was told I could pull 16,000 lbs. by the salesman. He didn't mention anything about anything else. Great Information
WOW, thank you for this video. I'm in the process of purchasing excavating equipment/new Ram 2500 to start a side business with family and have just this week discovered how misleading the towing #'s really are. Your video is one of the better ones I have found explaining how it REALLY works!
Good info, Brock. We too were disappointed with the load carrying/hauling capability of a 3/4 ton truck. That’s why we switched to a 1-ton truck in 2005, rather than the 3/4 truck we had prior to that. What’s amazing, is how much more payload the dually setup adds. We didn’t want that much width all the time, so we went with the 1-ton single rear wheel truck.
hmm, ram 1 ton and a ram 3 quarter ton both single rear wheel. i beg the difference. y'all ford people really need to understand axle differences. my 2024 ram 2500 6.7 Cummins never and still has no problem towing 26,580lbs with no squat. never got flagged into any weight stations. never had any problems with pulling or towing any gooseneck trailer. if your going to own a (RAM) no longer dodge, a RAM know what your driving and what you have. other wise,,,,, stay with your ford and silly putty chevy 3500............leave RAM guy to the real work.
I pulled a 34ft rv turned into a travel trailer, in my 2006 chevy 2500hd! Chevy 2500hd and 3500hd chassis are the same just had to put lift bags and upgrade the brakes. She towed it like it was not even there. Good video for most people that don't know what their doing.
Sir, you are the first you tuber to accurately express the limitations of 3/4 ton pickups. This is exactly why I chose to go with a 1 ton. BTW, this is all true regardless of which make you choose to buy. I found the average payload capacity of a 3/4 ton diesel to be somewhere around 2000 pounds. I have a 10,000 pound 5th wheel. King pin weighs 15 to 25 percent of that overall weight. So around 2000 pounds can be expected in the bed of the truck. Well, there's your payload if your in a 3/4 ton diesel, and you're not even in the truck yet nevermind the rest of the family and the camping gear. You're exactly correct with the gas 3/4 ton versions. Payloads are higher because gas drive trains weigh less. The big argument with diesel guys is there's no way you're going to out haul my diesel with that gas engine. And they're right when speaking of power availability. But when speaking of specific weight capabilities, those guys are dead wrong. Thank you for your video. I wish more people would pay attention to this stuff. It would make our shared roads safer for all of us.
Right. I started to gather this information from reading forum discussions about pulling fifth wheels. The consensus is that the majority of fifth wheels can’t be hauled by these trucks but the majority of people in the group pull them anyway I want that information to be out there
When I realized this stuff I noticed my ranger 1994 base v6 model had the same payload that my ram 1500 4x4 fully loaded had because all the extra weight it had in accessories, its knowledge almost no one knows and its very useful for road safety
I’ve ALWAYS been more concerned with having braking on both Axles ( all 4 wheels have brakes ) and properly loading the trailer. To me the weak links are the transmission, rear wheel bearings, and your truck breaks. If you drive like you’ve got some sense ( under all posted speed limit slowly ). With my 2006 f350 6.0 diesel short bead single rear wheel truck my first brake job wasn’t performed until 202,000 miles pulling a 30’ 25,900lb GVWR trailer 1/2 of those miles. I now have 520,000 miles on the truck and have not touched the transmission, the engine, rear end, nor the axle “U” joints. Start easy let the torque work for you and keep your foot out of it and you really won’t have any issues with the drive train pulling a properly loaded and balanced trailer. Also slow down way early and equally dial in your trailer brakes where you hardly have to apply any real pressure to the pedal. Stopping the coronation vehicle that is loaded will always be my #1 priority
Very good information, Brock. I've been working toward purchasing a 2500 for a year now and am just milking my 2000 Ram 1500 for a bit longer until the new car market smooths out a bit. Like you, I had been looking at the GVWR and towing capacity from the main page and though the main differences were in the Diesel vs. the gas engines. Now I know that i need to look at each model and configuration before pulling the trigger. Much appreciated!
Good information to have. I definitely would not of all the sunroof I knew it was going to take 150 pounds off my payload I thought the payload on the truck was much higher so I didn’t really worry about it Thanks for watching
Hey Brock, great video! This is exactly why I am not a fan of a diesel in a 2500. I agree that Ram is misleading on this page. What most people don't realize is that the more options and features you add to the truck, the more the truck weighs, and the less payload capacity you have. Yes, the truck can tow it, but not legally. The picture with that CASE tracker is a base model work truck because you can tell it has no fog lights, work grade mirrors, and a chrome front end which can be had with a chrome package. So this truck is legal... it just doesn't have any options. Sorry you had to find out this way about the lack of payload a 3/4 ton diesel has, but a 3/4 doesn't need a diesel. If you want a diesel, get a 1 ton. Another reason I personally won't buy a luxury truck. Too many features and not enough payload. I just bought a Titan Platinum Reserve. Nice truck! 1200 lb payload capacity. What am I to do with that? Sad. Again, great video!
Thanks for sharing your experience I was hoping that this video would be helpful to people who are getting ready to order a truck and trying to decide what options to get. Thanks for watching
Great information Brock. I’m happy that I ordered my 2500 with the gas engine but I simply didn’t need the Diesel engine for my needs. Very deceiving for sure.
Thanks for sharing. I felt like I needed the extra torque of the diesel because I’m going to max out that towing capacity but I would’ve also liked to have more payload and if I understood all of this better when I ordered I would’ve left off some optional features
Good information, you are right about 1500 owners, it is almost scary what you see what they pull with the poor truck. If you pull heavy equipments don’t be scare to buy more than what you need. In some states and part of Canada you need a 20% play on your payload/towing capacity, if you get in an accident you might be criminally charges agains you if someone get hurt or killed.
They always have disclaimers about "when properly equipped " That Max payload is typically a bare bones 2 wheel drive regular cab gas motor truck. The max towing will be the same bare bones truck but with the diesel. All the manufacturers do this. The more options you add the lower your payload will be which is why the limited has such low payload and towing numbers because the limited is pretty much a fully loaded truck
Thanks for sharing. That’s basically what I was trying to convey with the video. You need to add all the features and then go back and find those numbers and a lot of people, myself included, might not know to do that
Good info. We bought 3 new ram 3500s last year. I would strongly suggest to anyone to understand completely what you are buying. Unless you look unsafe most cops won't mess with Joe public. Tires are huge as well, do not overload tires, that is a receipe for disaster. All of our trailers are bumper pull usually at 14k total. If you pull alot of trailers dually is the way to go. Stay safe and happy new year.
We also bought fleet models. They are not stripped down but are set up as work trucks. Good part, they come with straight frame rails in the back to accept tool beds or flatbed easier. The drawback is they have 100 horses less. You can't get fleet with high output engines. All the companies do certain things to their vehicles with some of them being close to internationally deceitful. Then you have the issue with plates, weight limits and safety inspections. If you work with your truck there is a tremendous amount of info to go thru and understand. My truck weights 12k with no trailer and max load is 14k and its a dually.
@@RockhillfarmYT another bit of info that im sure most dont know. The oem fuel filters for dodge are way ridiculously priced. Dodge wants 200$ for the set. I have seen them on line for around 100$ for the set. Non oem for as low as 40$ for the set. The bigger problem with the oem they are very difficult to get, if you can. I bought the last 2 sets from my local dodge and they were the last 2 sets for 40 miles. I wish I had known this before buying a dodge.
Good information to put out there Brock. Also, actual scale weight numbers are helpful in deciding the correct tag for your specific rig setup, might be an interesting talking point in this "Tow truck" series of videos. One other note, check the load rating of your trailer tires. If your tires are stamped "Trailer use only" on the side wall chances are they are going to shred apart at highway speeds under a loaded trailer. I've personally seen these tires have brand new looking tread and grenade causing lots of trailer damage. One caused $3800 damage to my buddy's 4 month old bumper-pull camper. Pull them off new and trade them in on a load rated radial truck tire. They won't offer much trade cause they only pay about 25-35 bucks for those junkers brand new mounted on a rim from China. Maybe this will help you or somebody reading this
Thanks for sharing I actually made a video of complaining about the tires they put on trailers and said I would be checking from now on and then I bought this trailer without paying much attention to the tires. 🤦
@@RockhillfarmYT I have been told of people buying a new trailer without wheels so they could take their own tire/wheels to pick it up. Just be aware of super tight turning angles with that goose neck loaded, it'll put a lot of stress on the sidewalls of the trailer tires
I'm no expert, but I've read that ST (trailer) tires have a stiffer sidewall and can help reduce sway. I'd recommend looking into a quality ST tire over a standard LT (truck) tire due to the stiffer sidewall and the potential for reduced rolling resistance. Also, a TPMS is a no brainer! Great video by the way. We need more discussions on tow capacity and proper trailer loading!
Thanks for sharing. I have several other trailers and my dump trailer is the only one that came with a good quality tire After being annoyed when I had to replace all the rest of my trailer tires right away I didn’t actually look at these very good I’m honestly guessing I need to replace the tires on the truck and trailer before hauling a skid steer on a regular basis Thanks for watching
It’s not the “Trailer Use Only” on the tire that makes them inferior. It’s just that there are many Chinese made junk trailer tires on the market, and trailer manufacturers have a reputation of putting these junk tires on new trailers. You actually should be using a “ST” tire (trailer use only) on your trailers due to sidewall construction. Just be sure and purchase high quality ones. Preferably not made in China.
As a hotshot driver with a 40 ft gooseneck behind a 1 ton dually, all the times ive been weighed and inspect theyve never checked or asked payload. They check how much weight is on the front axle, rear axle and trailer axles. Then total weight. Never heard of anyone needing to know payload of the truck. Your sticker in your door jamb will tell the rear axle. Thats what matters to the dot
OK, and now let’s say that you are in a wreck with $150,000 rig and the liability is $2 million. Any chance that a deeper look is taken at the safety of what you were pulling? The trucks can definitely do it. My problem is with a rating system that makes it seem as if my truck is not capable of what it is capable of.
I like your approach on this video. Numbers and facts make for good consumption. I ain’t smart and you clearly could talk in a way I understand. Thanks for the research and video.
This is why I went with a 2019 Chevy 2500 with the 6.0L gas. The Gas gives you more payload because of the lighter engine. I have 2780 payload and 14,500 towing and with a GVWR of 9900lbs which keeps me from having to stop at weigh stations in my state. It's the perfect truck to tow as much as possible with not having to deal with CDL or weigh station issues.
Some faith restored in humanity. This is the first video I've seen where the person in the video actually has a clue how payload and tow ratings work, and understands why every truck is severely over rated when it comes to towing. I love that you brought up classes too. A 2500 is/should be a class 2b truck. That's the point of having weight classes
I was going back and forth between GMC and Ram for quite some time. I picked Ram and went with the 1 ton for the higher payload. I did that just in case I wanted a different RV. I ordered a 2021 Limited Mega Cab midnight edition with the HO one year ago this month. It has 3800 pounds of payload which isn’t a lot for a 1 ton but it gives me plenty for my use. Appreciate the video.
Brock this is exactly why I’ve went to bigger trucks. My white International is tagged at 33,000 pounds. Yes you would need CDL’s for commercial use but tagged for farm use you don’t need one. Your truck would without a doubt tow what you need but legally it probably won’t. I see a lot of people towing with pickups having the load mostly to the rear of the trailer, personally I feel more comfortable with more tongue weight. I had a 09 Dodge 2500 and weighed in with a load of logs at 28000 lbs on my gooseneck, that was a just send it moment 😆! Great video, I think there is a lot of people towing illegally that doesn’t realize it. I’m interested to see your test results.
I bought both types of weigh safe balls and I’m going to test different trailers. Should be interesting just to move the equipment forward a foot or 2 feet on the trailer and see what difference that makes 28K is quite a load Sometimes I’m a just send a guy but I think it’s good to know the numbers Thanks for watching
I had the same experience with my 1500 EcoDiesel. My payload is barely 1,000lbs as configured! Ram has a PDF available for each model year that gives exact payload and towing based on model, drivetrain , etc. Pay careful attention there because there are several transmission options that also affect towing. Hth!
Thanks for sharing your experience. I posted the video because I think a lot of people don’t find these things out until after they buy the truck. All the information is available on payload but we may not know to look for it If we are just focused on tow capacity
Lots of great information in this video. I’m planning to purchase a new GM 3500hd in the future. It took me a long time to realize what you uncovered but once I did I couldn’t unsee it. The big takeaway I found was that most new 1 ton trucks now put a 14k trailer into CDL territory for the average driver. When I purchased my Diamond C equipment trailer I actually got it d rated so I could tow it with up to a 2019 3500hd. The gcwr is below 26,001 lbs. But 2020 and newer models would push me over 26,000 lbs.
Exactly the mindset I’ve had. I thought I understood all the numbers but I wasn’t understanding the payload on three-quarter ton diesel‘s. I almost wish I went with a one ton but this way if the numbers all work I could have a trailer rated at 15,900 and stay under. I sent you a message when you get a chance. I’m running some errands this morning and then I’m going to check your channel out
Wow. fantastic video. This video helps me with my purchase of a truck camper and payload capabilities. Cirrus 620 Truck Camper. Love the Ram. The truck camper manufacturer claims the camper is made for 1500.
Brock, you are Genius. Ram,aka Dodge put that info placard over the back of the overloaded trailer to Hide the Jack-stands to keep ALL REAL WEIGHT off the Truck & Trailer;; either-or looks like they have ZERO weight on them== false advertising. Maybe they have helium in the tires, cab,bed & loader bucket! Or just maybe It's a 2 wheel drive & 2000lbs lighter!. You are the MAN. Figuring out Real World applications. Best wishes with this new pick-up truck & fifth wheel trailer for your hauling adventures.
I said in the video that it was probably a different truck configuration that made it a legal setup What I am saying is that if you are ordering a truck off of the dodge website you need to look up the rating with your exact set of options If you go through the ordering process the way that I did it never shows you how the features you select are affecting the payload and tow capacity You can start on a page that says 20k tow capacity and 3100 pounds payload and as you select your options you end up with a truck with 11k tow rating and 1500 pounds payload and it doesn’t show you the adjusted numbers Since there are no trucks at any of the dealerships you can’t go out and compare I also took responsibility for the fact I should have found that info Thanks for watching
Bought the dually HO 6.7 , 8 foot bed ,crew cab, air bag lift from the factory,Aisin trans etc. I can see mine hauling A LOT more than I ever need. 7,680# payload.
Check that payload again, please. I have one of these and the payload you are expressing is for the regular cab without 4WD. If yours is like mine, crew cab with 4WD long bed DRW, then your payload is around 5500 pounds. Unless of course you got something specially made. Still worth a second look. Thanks.
@@thebigd6249 nope, was ordered specifically for hot shot cdl. Air bags and all around heavy duty from the factory. Was ordered with 3.73 gears also that has worked out fantastic.
I've never done a build my own so I don't know how it works but when I bought from the dealers lot I only trusted the door sticker to get the correct payload and tow ratings not the salesman.
Yeah, I think that prevents most people from running into not knowing their payload when they buy it. Special ordering I never saw that information Unfortunately, at least around here nobody has trucks on the lot that you can even test drive or compare to
A very well done video. You have it 100% correct. People need to watch this video. Virtually all toy haulers are overweight using a diesel 3/4 ton, and many normal 5th wheels too.
I know this video is a year old, I'm just seeing it now. But you are spot on when it comes to payload numbers. Manufacturers aren't exactly lying, they are deceptive. I'll tell you something you don't want to do is go on an RV site like I did and start a discussion about payload because of lot of RV'ers are using half tons to tow their rig and are WAY over payload. Most think that with airbags and WDH hitches they are fine. That will trigger them beyond belief, trust me, I won't ever start that discussion again. Lesson learned there, but what I will say it's not only the truck manufacturers that think payload is just a moot point, RV sellers do that too. Oh your half ton is rated to tow 9k lbs. It will tow this camper no problem......well it will tow it but be grossly overloaded with payload. It's really a topic that needs to be put on the forefront for safety reasons and liability reasons. Great video sir, I will sub...
Your thoughts were exactly my thoughts when looking for a truck. That’s why I went with a DRW instead of a SRW and the price wasn’t that much more. Piece of mind knowing I don’t have to worry about maxing out my payload with different trailers, manpower, and equipment.
If you bought a DRW truck, you likely got a 1 ton. This totally changes the game. The person who posted this video failed to do the basic payload vs tow capacity calculation a person should do BEFORE spending $80k on a truck.
Very good video. Dodge is not alone in pushing these false towing advertisements. I bought a new GM 3500 srw truck that has the same issues that you brought up. Every time I see GM's commercials towing a triple axle fifth wheel RV with a srw truck, I have to shake my head. This new SAE J2708 standard they are using only allows 15% tongue weight on a gooseneck trailer, but the RV manufacturers are building with a 20 - 25% tongue weight. Something has to give.
Great video. Excellent presentation that did not bash, but informed your viewers. I liked the idea of putting up the final payload and towing numbers on the build site.
Thanks friend Trying to share quality information. It looks like the axles are rated for 12,000 pounds combined so the real capability would be to put 4000 payload but they have their reasons for giving the truck a 10,000 pound GVW are What that means is you can pull A big fifth wheel without any issues but technically you’re going over your vehicles rated capacity
Heyhey Brock I did a lot of research when I set up my truck, I learned that the more fancy your truck is the less payload you have. All of those extra fancy things take up weight. Power windows, extended cabs, etc all of it subtracts from the capability of the truck but you are more comfortable. Take care
Right, that’s kind of what I want people to take away from this video, that as your configuring your truck you need to look at how it all affects the payload
If you go to the ram capability website, the current picture shows a ram 2500 with the Hemi badge on the side pulling the same trailer and loader. It used be the Cummins equipped truck.
Now I understand why a lot of the "Hot-Shot" guys take their beds completely completely off the truck.....towing 3 or more car 5th wheel's..... You just need to make your bed into a quick-release setup for when you want to haul a heavy skid steer (or TL)....(okay, this would be ignoring the way the goose-neck is mounted and your fuel filler....) Just make sure there are a bunch of fuel locations along the way so you can do the whole run without ever having more than a 1/4 tank of fuel......LOL!! Good video, really shines a light on something that is likely always overlooked!
@@RockhillfarmYT we downsized from the 1500 to a 7 seater Hyundai Santa Fe when we sold our travel trailer, but before we bought or 6 acre property... Now we need a truck again.
@@RockhillfarmYT no I don't. I live in a small town and can get everywhere I need to by driving it. And this way I can't trailer it to friends and family who want stuff done :) I don't have a trailer for it either. Haha. So I get to use it only on my property.
You can go over the GVWR as long as you don’t go over the axle weights on your tow vehicle and trailer axles. But you need a CDL class A license and have the vehicle GVWR raised at the DMV. So for a example, basically have your truck registered with a GVWR of 40,000 pounds.
Yeah, if they would just rate the GVWR at 11,000 pounds from the factory my 14,000 pound trailer still stay under 26,000 in this problem will be solved. The truck is definitely capable of handling that without exceeding axle limits
@@RockhillfarmYT so if your trailer is over 10,000 pounds you need a class A license. If you make money with that trailer you will need a commercial class A license, if you use that trailer for recreational or private use, you will need a non-commercial class A license. Your GVWR, Gross vehicle weight rating, and your GCWR, Gross combination wheat rating. Are two different ratings. The how do you the number is the more it will cost you to register your vehicle. Like for an example, if you have a class A commercial or noncommercial license with doubles and triples endorsement, you can pull a fifth wheel with another trailer behind it, and that will most likely put you well over 26,000 pounds. And your 11,000 pound GVWR, that is just for your truck. What is your GCWR? The GCWR should be around 20,000 to 30,000 pounds. So if your GVWR is 11,000 pounds, your truck should weigh around 8,000 pounds with a full tank of fuel. So you got around 3,000 pounds to put on your truck. And that is a lot of wight for a 2500 truck. And I would highly recommend always getting a 3500 single rear wheel pick up. If you do not need a dully. If you have any questions please feel free to ask.
@@RockhillfarmYT For a example. I have a 2019 Chevrolet 3500 Single rear wheel with a 6.6L Diesel engine. My GVWR is 11,500 pounds, my GCWR is 25,800 pounds, and that’s just what the sticker says but I can legally pull more than that if I register my vehicle for a higher GCWR. My registration for my pickup is good for up to a GCWR of 36,000 pounds. “ noncommercial registration”
@@RockhillfarmYT go to you local DMV in your state and ask them what you need to do to to raise your GVWR/GCWR on your registration. And that will put your pick up in a different class win it comes to registration with the DMV.
Thanks for adding to the conversation. The comment about needing a class a CDL for trailers more than 10,000 pounds is only in some states. In Kansas, where I live, you do not need a CDL for trailers over 10,000 pounds. You only need it if you cross the 26,000 pound GCWR. The reason I did not mention GCWR is because mine is rated high enough that I will not exceed it I don’t have an 11,000 pound GVWR which is kind of what the video was about. I have a 10,000 pound GVWR and an 8300 pound truck Which gives me 1700 pounds I can put on the truck instead of the 3000 that you said Ram should write this truck at 11,000 pounds based on the 6400 pound rear axle and the air suspension, But for some reason they want all of their half ton trucks to be rated at 10,000 pounds I bought weigh safe hitches And I weighed all of my trailers and equipment and verified that I can still haul everything I have without exceeding capacities Thanks for watching
Until the current model GM trucks, OEMS limited 3/4 tons to DOT class II, which is maximum of 10,000 gvwr. GM is now exceeding that with their 3/4 tons, they are DOT class III. Payload is limited by this regulation. 10,000 gvwr minus a 7500 pound truck gives you only 2500 pounds to play with. If you look at Ford and GM 3/4 vs 1 tons the frames and suspension setups are the same, you can even get overload springs on the 3/4 tons. The difference is the rated gvwr, 1 tons fall into the class III category which is 10,000-14,000 lbs. All this DOT regulation stuff probably comes down to liability, insurance, etc.
nice, I have been trying to explain this to many. basically gas 1500/2500, dont get diesel until 3500. I ended going from a 1500 with 1780lb payload 11600 tow capacity, to a 3500 DRW max tow, 5800lb payload, 34800lb tow. my previous truck was at its payload limit with my family of 5+dog and a 19ft camper trailer.
Great video man. The tow capacity vs. vehicle payload is often overlooked. I love my 99 ram Cummins 5.9 the thing is a monster. It will def pull more than it’s allowed to with out a sweat but thankfully my truck is a heck of a lot lighter being a short bed, no frills type of truck, I also have 3500 suspension in my truck that’s why it sits so high. You add a simple programmer to your truck and you won’t Belive the power potential you’ll unlock. My truck is now making 550+hp and I should be putting down well over 1,000 ft. Lbs of torque just by a few simple mods and a larger turbo. Best of luck with your new truck, can’t wait to see it on action 👍🏻
Biff's equipment. Do you know where I can find a programmer for my O4 Silverado HD 2500 with the 8.1 vortec gaser. I can never find anything on the search engines that really convinces me. It's a great truck I only have 150 k on it. I know the factory detuned them reducing the ignition advance 6 to 8 degrees. I would like to improve the useful output. It's silly to have a modern fuel injected 500 cubic vortec engine only producing 340 HP. M Im old learned in the ignition points carburator days. Want to curb up just because.
@@tomstulc9143 hey Tom, they do offer programmers for gas engines.. tho they don’t have NEARLY the effect to a gas engine as they do for a Diesel engine.. a diesel you can nearly double the HP and torque in some cases depending on the Diesel engine and what supporting mods youv done.. with a gas engine they do Pep them up a bit and on more modern trucks like you have they can do a lot for throttle Responce as the new vehicles are all “throttle by wire” vs “throttle by cable” which greats increases lag which I can’t stand.. Ford is natoruous for being the worst with this lag. I don’t know if a specific programmer that will be best for your truck and engine as they are all different but I would look into a programmer called the “edge” programmer.. that’s what’s on my cummins and I also have a buddy who installed one on his dodge 2500 gasser and the amount of options it gave him were amazing, he was able to disable a lot of annoying things that kept power down and was able to pep the truck up quite a bit as well as helped with transmission shift points. Go check out their website or give them a call and ask them which model is best for your exact year/make/model 👍🏻
Those axles are good for 8500 pounds. U can get 4000 pound capacity single tires. So 8000 pounds on the rear axle is the actual capability of these trucks single rear wheel, especially if u installed good bump stops or even air bags. Given the actual capability of the axle, hubs, bearings, wheels, the payload number is whack. No reason why your gooseneck 3/4 ton can't pull 30,000 pounds with srw. That's a 4500 pound tongue weight, with the other 3500 pounds of capacity used holding the truck and bed up.
Great information you're sharing. One part of it not discussed is the receiver and max tongue weight rating for a bumper pull. Most of these new 3/4 tons have a 2 1/2 inch receiver, which would allow up to a 21k pull, but the trucks tongue capacity is not anywhere near that.
@Rockhill farm that's really interesting. Ford has done that somewhat with some of their 350 super duty with having a 3 inch receiver on them. My 2021 gmc has a payload of 3200# and an allowable tongue weight of 1850# or 2775# for gooseneck.
I’m annoyed with the RAM numbers too. When I enter my VIN it says I can tow over 20k (2500 big horn diesel). I would never consider going close to that, CDL issues aside. I learned a lot after I got my truck too, but I don’t know that I would do anything different for my situation. I wanted the most comfort I could get for daily driving and the 2500 seemed better for that. That being said, I also am frustrated with the arbitrary gvwr, as you mention for the classification reasons. The axle, tire, etc.. capacity is well beyond 10k. It really muddies the water. Anyway, I do love my truck and I hope you enjoy yours too.
I have the same truck and can legally haul up to the approx 20k max tow capacity. I only tow equipment, so I can position the Machine wherever I want on the deck to set proper tongue weight and payload. I have 2300lbs of available payload so I just put the machine on the deck to give me 2000lbs or tongue weight leaving 300lbs extra for me, fuel and all that. 10% tongue weight is acceptable. It’s handy having the weigh safe hitch with the tongue weight scale. Good choice on getting one. Never have to guess on payload. Where these 2500s fall short is with campers where you can’t change your pin weight. You can’t legally tow a camper anywhere near 20k with a 2500 since they’ll have approx 4k tongue weight. But you’re definitely right, most people miss the payload part of the equation part of the equation, partly because the manufacturer does a poor job of explaining it.
As a Ram salesman, we are told by Ram that a bumper pull trailer should have 10 percent tongue weight. Gooseneck towing is 15-20 percent. This is why i sell way more 1 ton trucks.
I took the measurements with Weigh safe hitches and several different trailer configurations. I came up with 10% on the bumper pulls and 14 to 15 on the goosenecks How you actually distribute the weight makes a huge difference though Thanks for Watching and for adding to the conversation
I worked for a place we ran into this problem. We had a lowboy Pet for our large equipment but had bumper pull trailers for smaller machines. Some of our truck where dually but the all had box bodies full of chains and tools. One of our trucks got hit with a small skid steer by Dot that's when we found out that our trucks loaded could pull a trailer but we couldn't have anything on them. So now we only pull pumps and air compressors behind crew trucks.
Great video. Thanks for sharing it. I have a Ram 2500 and last month I ordered a 3500 HO with an Aisin transmission to tow a larger fifth wheel camper. I think the dually would be better for your application.
So I was trying to stay in that middle ground so that it would still be a convenient option for a daily driver and be able to pull that much The number I did not focus on enough was payload. You don’t know what you don’t know so hopefully this helps other people. Ultimately I think the truck will still do what I want it to though
Long time ram fan here. 2018 ram Cummins 3500 single rear wheel with stick shift. Sounds tough, right? Maybe not so much. Max tow for this crew cab is 16,000. It will do more certainly. I have a better clutch in it now. But as delivered 16,000 pound tow. my gooseneck is a 14 K. It probably weighs around 4000 pounds? That means with 55 horse tractor and implement I’m probably OK but with my 10,000 pound skid steer with a 1200 pound front rotary cutter I’m over the line on the trailer and right at the line for the truck. I am very mindful of that, and keep things just local for that reason. The pictures in the Dodge ads are overly optimistic to say the least.
I know for the fourth generation, there are published specifications that break, everything down, gas, diesel, diesel, high output, stick shift, single wheel, rear wheel, cab type, and all of that. That’s what you have to go by. The door jamb also. From what I have learned, the best tow rig is going to be a single cab, 2 Wheel drive,dually, with high output, automatic.
That is simply not true. I have air suspension and it doesn’t change the payload rating. Every trucks Payload rating is the GVWR minus the weight of the truck, and almost all 3/4 ton trucks have a 10k GVWR If your payload is higher it means that your truck weighs less. The only 3/4 tons with a 3600 pound payload are gas instead of diesel or they are single cab
The best way to look at capacity is trim and options. The higher the trim package and the more options you get. The heavier the truck gets and that decreases payload and towing. A base model single cab long bed with 2wd have the highest numbers for payload and towing. There have been many issues with people buying the highest package, trying to haul and tow, and ending up breaking the frame. If you want every option, biggest cab, 4X4 and want to haul or tow the top numbers advertised for a 3/4 ton by a auto maker. You will need to go to a 3500 or 4500 to get those numbers. If you want the max listed capacity and capability in a 3/4 ton work truck. Then buy a base model single cab 2wd. The 4X4 will add a few hundred pounds to the truck but will be close to max numbers.
I knew that the higher trim levels included more stuff that reduced your payload and towing capacity, and I totally agree with you that having a payload and tow rating after the build would help us to make the proper build choice. My 2021 3500 Laramie dually crew 4x4 Cummins HO was rated with over 5500 payload and 32000 lb towing. My 2022 2500 Lonestar (Bighorn) crew 4x4 Cummins is rated 2200 payload and 17000 towing. That 3500 has so much more room for extra options, but to maximize the 2500 we have to severely curtail our luxuries just to maintain legal capability. I prefer the unloaded ride of my 2500 over the harsh hitting 3500 any day of the week, as does my wife.
Thanks for sharing. A lot of people, myself included, focus mainly on tow capacity I don’t realize the effect you’re having on the payload. Thanks for watching
The highest payload numbers are nearly always with the regular cabs, which people generally do not buy. Also 2WD as well. Trucks are tools, but so many people buy them as vehicles. And that's because the same people that used to buy trucks aren't the only people buying trucks these days. You have plenty of people that used to have a Jeep, a Camry, a Civic. And Dodge should do better, but I bet that Ford and Chevy do the same thing. Also who in their right mind tows the max tow capacity of 13,000-14,000 # on a routine basis with their gas 1/2 ton? No one that wants safety and longevity , that's for sure. Good video Brock, I love the breaking down of the numbers. None of what you said is surprising, but happy to see some people paying attention.
Ford does the same as Dodge. Chevy has recently started putting a slightly higher GVWR on these I didn’t realize it as I was ordering how drastic the difference would be in payload. I was hoping this video would help some people understand it during the process Thanks for watching
Yeah, my half ton that I just traded in was rated for 11,800 pounds tow capacity and 1400 pounds payload. Realistically it should’ve been rated lower and this one should be rated higher in my opinion My truck is rated for 19,000 towing capacity which is fine but the payload rating is low for reasons beyond the trucks capability
Every option you add to a truck adds weight. The more options and loaded the truck is, the heavier the truck. The heavier the truck, the lower the payload and towing capacity. The massive payload and tow numbers are usually based on a 2wd regular cab gas truck. My current truck is a 2019 f250 Xlt crew cab short bed 4x4 with the 6.2 gas motor, the payload capacity is 3480 lbs. My business partner has the same exact truck but with the 6.7 diesel, his payload capacity is 2280.
Load the wagon dont worry about the mule i run a 32ft gooseneck and regularly go over the scales at 25 26 27000 everything on a 2500 diesel is the same as a 3500 different springs
My 2006 Megacab 4x4 DRW only has a GVWR of 10,500lbs while the Quad Cab Long Bed 4x4 DRW has a GVWR is 12k+ lbs. I think they may have underrated the Megacab so the combined GVWR is under 26k lbs to ensure RVers don't require a CDL. Class 2b is 8,501-10,000lbs and class 3 is 10,001-14,000 so in my case, it is not the class but likely the total GWVR. Sometimes the rating is based on tire capacity as the rear axels on the SRW and DRW are typically rated at 10klbs either way.
Thanks for sharing your experience with it I do think they have other reasons behind the rating system besides the capability of the truck. Part of that being consistency in relation to who does and who does not need a CDL I’ve done a lot of reading on this and talking to people and I think they could rate my truck at atleast 11K GVWR without overloading the axles or causing a safety issue. I did a video using all the weigh safe Hitches to verify exactly how much tongue weight I’m putting on the truck and just yesterday I received a weight distribution hitch that I’m going to be installing today Thanks for watching
I have air shocks on my truck. They do not change the rating system. There are two separate conversations. What can the truck actually handle, and what is it rated for legally
Finally, someone has the guts to tell it like it is. Those truck commercials are all full of lies.they just want to sell a truck. If you are going to pull loads on a regular basis like the truck commercials. Get a Dually. With a goose neck. So many people are out there pulling stuff. And they're so overloaded. Remember anybody can get something moving. But trying to stop is another thing. Extras on a truck doesn't add to GVW!
The real limiting factor is the tires. That’s why if you look at the door sticker, the rear axle rating matches the factory tires that come with it. Upgrade to heavier tires and suspension and the rating will go up to the new rating on your tires.
Bumper pull? No. A good mounted tow trailer hitch below bumper will definitely displace the bumper weight for payload , especially on a low boy type trailer. Your tongue weight considerably less. Hauling this weight with a gooseneck in the 3/4 ton is the worst option without added airbags etc. 🤦♂️
I don’t get how people don’t understand a bumper pull is 10% hitch weight while a gooseneck is 20% hitch weight. You haul more trailer with a bumper pull by a lot unless you don’t mind blowing past your trucks gvw.
I can bet you those trucks on the website are a tradesman trim. I bought my bighorn because the limited and Laramie had only 1480 and 1550 lb capacity. My lower trim truck has 4180lb capacity. Tradesman would come with probably 5100lb or more from my research, but that's a plain truck and zero doodads. But this was in 3500 class not 2500 which would be even a more limiting factor. So choose wisely.
When buying work trucks to tow what i get is regular cab long bed dually .the 3/4 truck is to light in payload and rear axle capacity .the minimum truck i have got or would get is a 1 ton single wheel .Also the short bed is a no for me you cant put 8' ply in box unless gate is open and with a gooseneck the hitch is close to the cab over a 8' long box.
As you can see in my profile picture I have a 2018 Ram 3500. I looked high and low for a truck configured the way I wanted on a dealers lot. I was told I would never find it. That was true, so I ordered mine. My 2018 Ram 3500 is a loaded out Larime SRW with 4.10 gears and a 6.4 liter Hemi. Max towing is 15850 lbs, Max payload is 3750 lbs, and a GCWR of 22,900 lbs. I tow a 16 foot bumper pull 14K dump trailer with my truck with no problems. I looked at a diesel version of my truck (minus the 4.10 gears) and the price was right around $12K more, and not much difference in the towing numbers. I used the $12K I saved to buy the dump trailer, and a thumb fo my backhoe. LOL
Thanks for sharing. Sounds like you Made a great choice especially in how you put that extra money to use. I always find the numbers interesting. For instance your payload is almost double what mine is but my tow capacity and GCWR are actually higher I think either truck could actually handle more than the rating but you don’t want to get in trouble for it Thanks for sharing the info
inside the door of your ram there should be a sticker showing the payload capacity for that VIN.... To be safe step up to a GMC 3500 or a 3500 dually... GMC does an excellent job showing their trucks capacity inside the doors of their trucks
I was in the market for a Cummins Ram 2500 but ended up going with a Duramax GMC 2500 because the payload is over 1000 lbs higher. Of course the GMC has a GVWR of 11,350 which is gonna mess with people's registration and insurance in some states. I've heard different theories about why the Ram 3/4 ton payload is so low but haven't seen anything really convincing. The most popular theory seems to be that the payload and GVWR are "artificially low" so you should just hook up your 16,000 lb toy hauler, crank up the air bags, and SEND IT!
Air supports can help with this problem, it is recommended that pickup trucks or trucks that carry over the maximum weight have an air support system or air suspension system.
Ram site is very deceiving, I did all you did but caught these issues through research and talking with people, I moved up to a 3500 and mine has a payload of 4200 lbs and tow capacity of 20000 lbs , Tradesman 3500 Crew cab with few thrills. But you are correct, Im on a couple 5th wheel sites and many don't really care about being over on payload, they just pull it. Good luck, at least the truck value is as good as what you bought it for, Sell it and buy a 3500. Good luck
It’s the extra weight of the diesel engine. It takes away From your payload. I’m amazed how many people don’t realize this. Gas engines are lighter, smaller cans are lighter, shorter beds are lighter. You really wanna tow, get a 2 seater, shirt box with a gas engine. 🤷♂️ you add people, you reduce your payload, you add engine weight, you reduce your payload , you add truck body weight, you reduce your payload…that’s how it works brother. I agree it is very deceptive because most people don’t know this that don’t manage a truck fleet. What you do get with diesels is a long life of engine, simpler repairs, etc. but what you trade is the fact that you HAVE to tow all the time, if your diesel engine is t running at at least 70% of it’s raped capacity, it’s eliminated all the previous benefits mentioned as useless don’t run on spark, they run on compression, if that cylinder isn’t just screaming, you’re not getting full compression and your not gonna get the diesel longetivity. This is straight from my time at Cummins. 70% is the official number from internal Cummins engineering. If your not hauling all day, forget diesels. That’s why a VW diesel is a 4 cylinder, so it screams under the weight of the body and passengers.
Hate to be that guy. But for most of the USA. Payload only matters if you meet certain conditions: 1: if youre above a certin weight in GCWR/GVWR (variable based on state) 2: if you drive commercial (you do it for work/pay as or for a buisness) 3: if youre in an accident If youre below about 26k GCWR you often wont need to worry about a CDL or your payload. Not more then you care about your own person safety and wear on your vehicles. I know, i know, its extremely irresponsible to not follow your weight ratings. And worse yet to go over the legal limit. Youre not just risking yourself. Youre putting everyone around you at risk. But atleast by law. You can do above your rating for personal use. But "not" above the legal limit of your area.
Payload is dependent on a lot of factors but remember your tires have a weight limit of their own. A lot of what factors into payload capacity is tire capacity of weight on tires. Just because you get a single rear wheel 3500 that you will be able to haul that much more. Their is a reason that Dually trucks exist. That is why I only buy long bed dual wheel trucks. More capacity for hauling in bed or hooking up to a trailer.
Great video, I'm in just about the exact same situation. I have the Rocky Ridge Package that is causing additional considerations such as height issues for the fifth wheel.
I try to stay within the ratings as much as possible for safety and legal reasons but I think the least important rating is payload. I may sometimes go a couple hundred pounds over payload if all the other ratings are met The reason I say Payload is not the most important is because the way they rate them doesn’t make sense and DOT doesn’t really pay attention to it Thanks for watching
@@RockhillfarmYT Agree on the DOT ratings. I have a custom made carbon-fiber moto. Helmet with NASA impact foam. But since it doesn't have an inch of Chinese Styrofoam it's not DOT rated.
Love the truck. Super nice! - I was a bit surprised you didn’t go with an old beat up f650 dump truck with a pintle hitch… that way, with all your side jobs, you could also grab material (rock, garbage dump runs, etc.) with a dump bed - and tow big weight. I don’t know if the CDL comes in to play there…. But that was a direction I’m hoping to move in - while getting a sweet daily driver like your new truck as well. LOL Awesome transparency Brock. Frustrating website RAM!!!
I do have an interest in getting an old dump truck like that. The second concern was being upside down on my other truck because I put 60,000 miles on it in 2020 and wanted to trade it in while the trade in values were so high so I would be upside down $10,000 I’m going to try to keep the miles down on this truck and diesels hold their value better
I know Ram has a app or QR code that you can scan your door sticker and get the exact numbers for your specific truck. TFL Truck has done a video on it when the '19 year model came out. Thanks Brock for the video, its definitely food for thought. 🤠
We got our trucks basically at the same time. Our trucks look identical. Except I have the 6.4L hemi . Mines a crew cab with 4:10 gears. I went gas because diesel offered nothing in towing or payload. According to my vin look up on the website. My payload is 2,860 towing is 16,820lbs . I pull heavy with mine . O some advice. Get rid of those transforce tires lol.
Congrats on the truck. The Diesel engine weighs 800 pounds so that is the reason for the payload difference. I bought the diesel because I put ridiculously high miles on it and I was hoping for the resale difference on a 200,000 mile truck Tow capacity it is 19,700. I think there is a flaw in the rating system used for Payload
@@RockhillfarmYT Since I'm around farms a lot . Man did I get ridiculed for getting a gasser lol. I only put on like 10 to 12,000 miles a year . So I see what you mean resale is their for diesels .
I watched this before purchasing my 2022 RAM 2500 4x4 Hemi. I seldom tow anything but we have used it for 5 adult women and all their luggage on a trip to San Antonio. It performed very well though it's not as comfortable as a half-ton pickup and is taller. The ladies had to use a stepladder as well as the running boards to get in and out. I did not need a diesel for my purposes and still do not.
We bought a Brinkley 3610 and the pin weight alone on it is 2500 lbs. had to upgrade the tow vehicle to 2024 3500 because it has 4k payload even with single axle. Just wasn’t comfortable in the 3/4.
The truck in the picture with the loader isnt a limited or high level edition. The more basic a truck is the more payload it has. If you have all the bells and whistles you lose payload cause them extra add on of luxury weighs more than a standard. Just like a ford f 250 xlt will have more payload than a lariat or king ranch
Right. I was hoping this video would help people who are in the market to buy a truck and maybe didn’t understand that information Thanks for watching and commenting
Basically, I am too. But I do want to know the numbers And I think a lot of people buying these trucks don’t understand the payload Numbers. I think it’s going to be interesting to look at the real numbers with the weigh safe hitches Another set of numbers I didn’t talk about here is that your axle ratings tell you more about what your vehicle can actually handle than the GVWR but the GVWR is what you were supposed to follow The rear axle can support over 6000 pounds but they say I can only put 1900 in the bed if I’m sitting in the drivers seat. You know there’s not really that much weight on the back of an empty truck
I’ve been sayin this for years about trucks. A truck 3/4 ton with a diesel has no payload capacity. Payload goes way down especially when you choose all the options like heated and cooled seats, and all the other creature comforts ppl want in trucks these days. That’s why the Laramie diesel doesn’t have any payload capacity. Curb weight is too heavy to have the capacity. That’s why old trucks were better because you didn’t have all the fancy stuff the new ones do. Think about it, old trucks, crank windows, cloth seats, no collision sensors, just a basic truck, a lot lighter truck but had good payload capacity. I’d rather be over capable of towing something than to under or right at the limit of a trucks towing capacity.
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I have hauled up to 17,000 pounds of live cattle with my 04 Silverado HD 2500 . The 8.1 vortec gas engine doesn't even grunt. With that load. The 5th wheel trailers does squat the truck down. The truck weighs 7200 empty with the toper on. It's a beast. 4 doors great seats everything money cold get in the day. It won't pass the gas station though.
That white truck on the ram website is a tradesman model so it has a much higher tow capacity than a Laramie or a limited that truck has somewhere between 3-4k payload.
Right, The tradesmen has a higher payload but you have to be in a regular cab to hit 3K payload. That was an extended cab
Regardless of those details, kind of the point of the video is that a lot of people don’t know that so I was trying to share the information.
My truck has 19,000 tow capacity rating, it’s just the payload that I didn’t understand before ordering
@@RockhillfarmYT I understand, my 2500 tradesman crew cab had 3k payload mine was a longbed though, but the sticker on the door said 3k
Still diesel?
I used to haul commercially, with a 3/4 Ram. Reading through the comments somethings to note, as most are about moving campers. I hauled travel trailers from the manufactures to the dealers across and into several states. I had to get the DOT inspection, run under the FMSCA rules (DOT rules) and log miles and hours and stop at weight stations. 1) Personal travel trailers and 5th wheels are exempt from DOT rules. A 2500 will handle a 5th wheel with added air springs like Air Lift. The brakes, frame, transfer case gearing, drive shaft, rear end, axles (SRW to SRW) are all the same. The transmission is different, because the 3/4 is not a HO engine and the 3/4 transmission cannot handle the HP of the HO engine. 2) Joe public is not held accountable when pulling travel trailer over the 26,001 CDL limits. That is in writing and is law. You can legally drive, and haul more then then 26,001 limit. This is why you see people hauling the triple axle toy haulers loaded. Those are thousands over the 26,001 limits. Also driving the big class A motor homes, those are 40k plus and you don't need an CDL if personally owned. An officer may pull you over, but even if it is a DOT trooper they cannot cite you for any DOT violations as long as you are not hauling for pay (any hauling for pay is subject to the CDL rules even under 26,0001 pounds). 3) Farm also have their exemptions, check with your state. TX where I am at, you can pull over the 26,001 limit if you are farm and moving your equipment and not getting paid to move equipment. The 2500 has cheaper registrations, and taxes to pay yearly. Watch what state you are going through, some states only see the 1 tons as a commercial vehicle even if it is for personal reasons and pulling your personal RV. You can be subject to the local state laws and they can fine you if you don't have the additional permits to run a commercial vehicle through their state. For the limits and registrations check with your states Department of Motor Vehicles. That is is the law side of what you can do, don't bother to ask the registration office, they collect taxes and do the registrations based on what the law says, or what they think the law says. The enforcement side is where you need to check.
All good information there. Thanks for sharing
Well perfect timing I was wondering about this. I spent all day watching your videos lol. The best part I just moved to Dallas from Tampa Bay. Planning on buying 100+acre lot. Trying to see what I'm in for.
Same here I've been using my 2007 2500 for hotshot and rv transport, many fall to realize they need to go to a truck stop with a cat scale and weight the unit to know the true weight cdl or non cdl.
Truck campers are they the dames 5th wheel ?
I believe the wording is for recreational use and not for hire,has to meet both categories. If I understand it correctly that applies to the in the truck bed style camper and any coach style trailer.... there is different language when you get into other non coach trailers where the 10,001 lbs GVWR matters or puts one into FMCSA / DOT Rules.... it applies for pickup trucks with a service body or non factory style too, that's why you will see companies buy the 9900 gvwr and service bodies, 10,001 or larger are supposed to be under DOT regulations.
I was just at a dealership today looking the same truck. Was told I could pull 16,000 lbs. by the salesman. He didn't mention anything about anything else. Great Information
WOW, thank you for this video. I'm in the process of purchasing excavating equipment/new Ram 2500 to start a side business with family and have just this week discovered how misleading the towing #'s really are. Your video is one of the better ones I have found explaining how it REALLY works!
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Good info, Brock. We too were disappointed with the load carrying/hauling capability of a 3/4 ton truck. That’s why we switched to a 1-ton truck in 2005, rather than the 3/4 truck we had prior to that. What’s amazing, is how much more payload the dually setup adds. We didn’t want that much width all the time, so we went with the 1-ton single rear wheel truck.
Thanks for sharing
hmm, ram 1 ton and a ram 3 quarter ton both single rear wheel. i beg the difference. y'all ford people really need to understand axle differences. my 2024 ram 2500 6.7 Cummins never and still has no problem towing 26,580lbs with no squat. never got flagged into any weight stations. never had any problems with pulling or towing any gooseneck trailer. if your going to own a (RAM) no longer dodge, a RAM know what your driving and what you have. other wise,,,,, stay with your ford and silly putty chevy 3500............leave RAM guy to the real work.
@@markrushing23 gooseneck setup? How long of a trailer? I have same, and am curious about hauling that much.
I pulled a 34ft rv turned into a travel trailer, in my 2006 chevy 2500hd! Chevy 2500hd and 3500hd chassis are the same just had to put lift bags and upgrade the brakes. She towed it like it was not even there. Good video for most people that don't know what their doing.
I'm looking to pull a 40 foot 5th wheel at 12,000ish lbs with a 06 2500hd LBZ WITH 350,000 Miles on it. Do you think I'll be ok? Thanks
Sir, you are the first you tuber to accurately express the limitations of 3/4 ton pickups. This is exactly why I chose to go with a 1 ton. BTW, this is all true regardless of which make you choose to buy.
I found the average payload capacity of a 3/4 ton diesel to be somewhere around 2000 pounds. I have a 10,000 pound 5th wheel. King pin weighs 15 to 25 percent of that overall weight. So around 2000 pounds can be expected in the bed of the truck. Well, there's your payload if your in a 3/4 ton diesel, and you're not even in the truck yet nevermind the rest of the family and the camping gear.
You're exactly correct with the gas 3/4 ton versions. Payloads are higher because gas drive trains weigh less.
The big argument with diesel guys is there's no way you're going to out haul my diesel with that gas engine. And they're right when speaking of power availability. But when speaking of specific weight capabilities, those guys are dead wrong.
Thank you for your video. I wish more people would pay attention to this stuff. It would make our shared roads safer for all of us.
Very good video! Kind of scary to think of how many trucks you see regularly overloaded since "the diesel pulls like the trailer isn't even there"...
Right. I started to gather this information from reading forum discussions about pulling fifth wheels.
The consensus is that the majority of fifth wheels can’t be hauled by these trucks but the majority of people in the group pull them anyway
I want that information to be out there
Love your transparency on all your videos. Wish all channels were as honest and open about what they put out. Keep it up.
Thanks for the kind words
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When I realized this stuff I noticed my ranger 1994 base v6 model had the same payload that my ram 1500 4x4 fully loaded had because all the extra weight it had in accessories, its knowledge almost no one knows and its very useful for road safety
I’ve ALWAYS been more concerned with having braking on both Axles ( all 4 wheels have brakes ) and properly loading the trailer. To me the weak links are the transmission, rear wheel bearings, and your truck breaks. If you drive like you’ve got some sense ( under all posted speed limit slowly ). With my 2006 f350 6.0 diesel short bead single rear wheel truck my first brake job wasn’t performed until 202,000 miles pulling a 30’ 25,900lb GVWR trailer 1/2 of those miles. I now have 520,000 miles on the truck and have not touched the transmission, the engine, rear end, nor the axle “U” joints. Start easy let the torque work for you and keep your foot out of it and you really won’t have any issues with the drive train pulling a properly loaded and balanced trailer. Also slow down way early and equally dial in your trailer brakes where you hardly have to apply any real pressure to the pedal. Stopping the coronation vehicle that is loaded will always be my #1 priority
Thanks for sharing. It seems like the exhaust brakes will help too
You sure missed some scheduled maintenance!
Very good information, Brock. I've been working toward purchasing a 2500 for a year now and am just milking my 2000 Ram 1500 for a bit longer until the new car market smooths out a bit. Like you, I had been looking at the GVWR and towing capacity from the main page and though the main differences were in the Diesel vs. the gas engines. Now I know that i need to look at each model and configuration before pulling the trigger. Much appreciated!
Good information to have. I definitely would not of all the sunroof I knew it was going to take 150 pounds off my payload
I thought the payload on the truck was much higher so I didn’t really worry about it
Thanks for watching
Hey Brock, great video! This is exactly why I am not a fan of a diesel in a 2500. I agree that Ram is misleading on this page. What most people don't realize is that the more options and features you add to the truck, the more the truck weighs, and the less payload capacity you have. Yes, the truck can tow it, but not legally. The picture with that CASE tracker is a base model work truck because you can tell it has no fog lights, work grade mirrors, and a chrome front end which can be had with a chrome package. So this truck is legal... it just doesn't have any options. Sorry you had to find out this way about the lack of payload a 3/4 ton diesel has, but a 3/4 doesn't need a diesel. If you want a diesel, get a 1 ton. Another reason I personally won't buy a luxury truck. Too many features and not enough payload. I just bought a Titan Platinum Reserve. Nice truck! 1200 lb payload capacity. What am I to do with that? Sad. Again, great video!
Thanks for sharing your experience
I was hoping that this video would be helpful to people who are getting ready to order a truck and trying to decide what options to get.
Thanks for watching
Yes, I agree with you. No problem
Great information Brock. I’m happy that I ordered my 2500 with the gas engine but I simply didn’t need the Diesel engine for my needs. Very deceiving for sure.
Thanks for sharing.
I felt like I needed the extra torque of the diesel because I’m going to max out that towing capacity but I would’ve also liked to have more payload and if I understood all of this better when I ordered I would’ve left off some optional features
Good information, you are right about 1500 owners, it is almost scary what you see what they pull with the poor truck. If you pull heavy equipments don’t be scare to buy more than what you need. In some states and part of Canada you need a 20% play on your payload/towing capacity, if you get in an accident you might be criminally charges agains you if someone get hurt or killed.
Those ratings are to avoid lawsuits they can towe more they just don’t want you to
They always have disclaimers about "when properly equipped "
That Max payload is typically a bare bones 2 wheel drive regular cab gas motor truck. The max towing will be the same bare bones truck but with the diesel.
All the manufacturers do this. The more options you add the lower your payload will be which is why the limited has such low payload and towing numbers because the limited is pretty much a fully loaded truck
Thanks for sharing. That’s basically what I was trying to convey with the video. You need to add all the features and then go back and find those numbers and a lot of people, myself included, might not know to do that
Good info. We bought 3 new ram 3500s last year. I would strongly suggest to anyone to understand completely what you are buying. Unless you look unsafe most cops won't mess with Joe public. Tires are huge as well, do not overload tires, that is a receipe for disaster. All of our trailers are bumper pull usually at 14k total. If you pull alot of trailers dually is the way to go. Stay safe and happy new year.
Thanks for sharing that info. Happy new year
We also bought fleet models. They are not stripped down but are set up as work trucks. Good part, they come with straight frame rails in the back to accept tool beds or flatbed easier. The drawback is they have 100 horses less. You can't get fleet with high output engines. All the companies do certain things to their vehicles with some of them being close to internationally deceitful. Then you have the issue with plates, weight limits and safety inspections. If you work with your truck there is a tremendous amount of info to go thru and understand. My truck weights 12k with no trailer and max load is 14k and its a dually.
I didn’t know that about fleet vehicles
@@RockhillfarmYT another bit of info that im sure most dont know. The oem fuel filters for dodge are way ridiculously priced. Dodge wants 200$ for the set. I have seen them on line for around 100$ for the set. Non oem for as low as 40$ for the set. The bigger problem with the oem they are very difficult to get, if you can. I bought the last 2 sets from my local dodge and they were the last 2 sets for 40 miles. I wish I had known this before buying a dodge.
Good information to put out there Brock. Also, actual scale weight numbers are helpful in deciding the correct tag for your specific rig setup, might be an interesting talking point in this "Tow truck" series of videos. One other note, check the load rating of your trailer tires. If your tires are stamped "Trailer use only" on the side wall chances are they are going to shred apart at highway speeds under a loaded trailer. I've personally seen these tires have brand new looking tread and grenade causing lots of trailer damage. One caused $3800 damage to my buddy's 4 month old bumper-pull camper. Pull them off new and trade them in on a load rated radial truck tire. They won't offer much trade cause they only pay about 25-35 bucks for those junkers brand new mounted on a rim from China. Maybe this will help you or somebody reading this
Thanks for sharing
I actually made a video of complaining about the tires they put on trailers and said I would be checking from now on and then I bought this trailer without paying much attention to the tires.
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@@RockhillfarmYT I have been told of people buying a new trailer without wheels so they could take their own tire/wheels to pick it up. Just be aware of super tight turning angles with that goose neck loaded, it'll put a lot of stress on the sidewalls of the trailer tires
I'm no expert, but I've read that ST (trailer) tires have a stiffer sidewall and can help reduce sway. I'd recommend looking into a quality ST tire over a standard LT (truck) tire due to the stiffer sidewall and the potential for reduced rolling resistance. Also, a TPMS is a no brainer! Great video by the way. We need more discussions on tow capacity and proper trailer loading!
Thanks for sharing. I have several other trailers and my dump trailer is the only one that came with a good quality tire
After being annoyed when I had to replace all the rest of my trailer tires right away I didn’t actually look at these very good
I’m honestly guessing I need to replace the tires on the truck and trailer before hauling a skid steer on a regular basis
Thanks for watching
It’s not the “Trailer Use Only” on the tire that makes them inferior. It’s just that there are many Chinese made junk trailer tires on the market, and trailer manufacturers have a reputation of putting these junk tires on new trailers. You actually should be using a “ST” tire (trailer use only) on your trailers due to sidewall construction. Just be sure and purchase high quality ones. Preferably not made in China.
As a hotshot driver with a 40 ft gooseneck behind a 1 ton dually, all the times ive been weighed and inspect theyve never checked or asked payload. They check how much weight is on the front axle, rear axle and trailer axles. Then total weight. Never heard of anyone needing to know payload of the truck. Your sticker in your door jamb will tell the rear axle. Thats what matters to the dot
EXACTLY.
OK, and now let’s say that you are in a wreck with $150,000 rig and the liability is $2 million.
Any chance that a deeper look is taken at the safety of what you were pulling?
The trucks can definitely do it. My problem is with a rating system that makes it seem as if my truck is not capable of what it is capable of.
@@RockhillfarmYTthey nerfed the 2500 Ram so bad.
Iv only once had a “super cop” even go by per axle. Usually just the total weight of the truck…I’m not hauling trailer though, dump truck
For everything there is a first time
I like your approach on this video. Numbers and facts make for good consumption. I ain’t smart and you clearly could talk in a way I understand. Thanks for the research and video.
Thanks for the kind words. I’m no expert but I want to make sure I’m safe when I tow
This is why I went with a 2019 Chevy 2500 with the 6.0L gas. The Gas gives you more payload because of the lighter engine. I have 2780 payload and 14,500 towing and with a GVWR of 9900lbs which keeps me from having to stop at weigh stations in my state. It's the perfect truck to tow as much as possible with not having to deal with CDL or weigh station issues.
Thanks for sharing
Some faith restored in humanity. This is the first video I've seen where the person in the video actually has a clue how payload and tow ratings work, and understands why every truck is severely over rated when it comes to towing. I love that you brought up classes too. A 2500 is/should be a class 2b truck. That's the point of having weight classes
I was going back and forth between GMC and Ram for quite some time. I picked Ram and went with the 1 ton for the higher payload. I did that just in case I wanted a different RV. I ordered a 2021 Limited Mega Cab midnight edition with the HO one year ago this month. It has 3800 pounds of payload which isn’t a lot for a 1 ton but it gives me plenty for my use. Appreciate the video.
Thanks for sharing
Sounds like a great truck
Good morning Brock. Wow life is full of challenges bro. Just make the best of it 🇯🇲🇯🇲
Right. Just trying to spread information.
Thanks for watching
Brock this is exactly why I’ve went to bigger trucks. My white International is tagged at 33,000 pounds. Yes you would need CDL’s for commercial use but tagged for farm use you don’t need one. Your truck would without a doubt tow what you need but legally it probably won’t. I see a lot of people towing with pickups having the load mostly to the rear of the trailer, personally I feel more comfortable with more tongue weight. I had a 09 Dodge 2500 and weighed in with a load of logs at 28000 lbs on my gooseneck, that was a just send it moment 😆! Great video, I think there is a lot of people towing illegally that doesn’t realize it. I’m interested to see your test results.
I bought both types of weigh safe balls and I’m going to test different trailers. Should be interesting just to move the equipment forward a foot or 2 feet on the trailer and see what difference that makes
28K is quite a load
Sometimes I’m a just send a guy but I think it’s good to know the numbers
Thanks for watching
I had the same experience with my 1500 EcoDiesel. My payload is barely 1,000lbs as configured! Ram has a PDF available for each model year that gives exact payload and towing based on model, drivetrain , etc. Pay careful attention there because there are several transmission options that also affect towing. Hth!
Thanks for sharing your experience. I posted the video because I think a lot of people don’t find these things out until after they buy the truck. All the information is available on payload but we may not know to look for it If we are just focused on tow capacity
Lots of great information in this video. I’m planning to purchase a new GM 3500hd in the future. It took me a long time to realize what you uncovered but once I did I couldn’t unsee it. The big takeaway I found was that most new 1 ton trucks now put a 14k trailer into CDL territory for the average driver. When I purchased my Diamond C equipment trailer I actually got it d rated so I could tow it with up to a 2019 3500hd. The gcwr is below 26,001 lbs. But 2020 and newer models would push me over 26,000 lbs.
Exactly the mindset I’ve had. I thought I understood all the numbers but I wasn’t understanding the payload on three-quarter ton diesel‘s.
I almost wish I went with a one ton but this way if the numbers all work I could have a trailer rated at 15,900 and stay under.
I sent you a message when you get a chance.
I’m running some errands this morning and then I’m going to check your channel out
Wow. fantastic video. This video helps me with my purchase of a truck camper and payload capabilities. Cirrus 620 Truck Camper. Love the Ram. The truck camper manufacturer claims the camper is made for 1500.
Brock, you are Genius. Ram,aka Dodge put that info placard over the back of the overloaded trailer to Hide the Jack-stands to keep ALL REAL WEIGHT off the Truck & Trailer;; either-or looks like they have ZERO weight on them== false advertising. Maybe they have helium in the tires, cab,bed & loader bucket! Or just maybe It's a 2 wheel drive & 2000lbs lighter!. You are the MAN. Figuring out Real World applications. Best wishes with this new pick-up truck & fifth wheel trailer for your hauling adventures.
I said in the video that it was probably a different truck configuration that made it a legal setup
What I am saying is that if you are ordering a truck off of the dodge website you need to look up the rating with your exact set of options
If you go through the ordering process the way that I did it never shows you how the features you select are affecting the payload and tow capacity
You can start on a page that says 20k tow capacity and 3100 pounds payload and as you select your options you end up with a truck with 11k tow rating and 1500 pounds payload and it doesn’t show you the adjusted numbers
Since there are no trucks at any of the dealerships you can’t go out and compare
I also took responsibility for the fact I should have found that info
Thanks for watching
@@RockhillfarmYT EXACTLY, oky-doky.
This video is 100% correct, and payload capacity matters deeply. If you tow, get a dually and never look back.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on it
Bought the dually HO 6.7 , 8 foot bed ,crew cab, air bag lift from the factory,Aisin trans etc. I can see mine hauling A LOT more than I ever need. 7,680# payload.
Check that payload again, please. I have one of these and the payload you are expressing is for the regular cab without 4WD. If yours is like mine, crew cab with 4WD long bed DRW, then your payload is around 5500 pounds. Unless of course you got something specially made. Still worth a second look. Thanks.
@@thebigd6249 nope, was ordered specifically for hot shot cdl. Air bags and all around heavy duty from the factory. Was ordered with 3.73 gears also that has worked out fantastic.
I've never done a build my own so I don't know how it works but when I bought from the dealers lot I only trusted the door sticker to get the correct payload and tow ratings not the salesman.
Yeah, I think that prevents most people from running into not knowing their payload when they buy it. Special ordering I never saw that information
Unfortunately, at least around here nobody has trucks on the lot that you can even test drive or compare to
A very well done video. You have it 100% correct. People need to watch this video. Virtually all toy haulers are overweight using a diesel 3/4 ton, and many normal 5th wheels too.
Thanks for watching
I have owned both 2500 and 3500 trucks. Nothing wrong with either, just pick the truck that best suits your needs.
I know this video is a year old, I'm just seeing it now. But you are spot on when it comes to payload numbers. Manufacturers aren't exactly lying, they are deceptive. I'll tell you something you don't want to do is go on an RV site like I did and start a discussion about payload because of lot of RV'ers are using half tons to tow their rig and are WAY over payload. Most think that with airbags and WDH hitches they are fine. That will trigger them beyond belief, trust me, I won't ever start that discussion again. Lesson learned there, but what I will say it's not only the truck manufacturers that think payload is just a moot point, RV sellers do that too. Oh your half ton is rated to tow 9k lbs. It will tow this camper no problem......well it will tow it but be grossly overloaded with payload. It's really a topic that needs to be put on the forefront for safety reasons and liability reasons. Great video sir, I will sub...
Your thoughts were exactly my thoughts when looking for a truck. That’s why I went with a DRW instead of a SRW and the price wasn’t that much more. Piece of mind knowing I don’t have to worry about maxing out my payload with different trailers, manpower, and equipment.
Good choice. Thanks for watching
If you bought a DRW truck, you likely got a 1 ton. This totally changes the game. The person who posted this video failed to do the basic payload vs tow capacity calculation a person should do BEFORE spending $80k on a truck.
Basically when it comes to heavy hauling, or really anything in general, go overboard. Better to have more capability than not enough
Right
Very good video. Dodge is not alone in pushing these false towing advertisements. I bought a new GM 3500 srw truck that has the same issues that you brought up. Every time I see GM's commercials towing a triple axle fifth wheel RV with a srw truck, I have to shake my head. This new SAE J2708 standard they are using only allows 15% tongue weight on a gooseneck trailer, but the RV manufacturers are building with a 20 - 25% tongue weight. Something has to give.
We too are looking at the Ram 2500 this year. Probably just a tradesman but we will see in a few months. Good info bud.
Thanks for watching. Hope you’re doing well
@@RockhillfarmYT we are good, still working on getting monitization. Thanks for asking brother...😁
Great video. Excellent presentation that did not bash, but informed your viewers. I liked the idea of putting up the final payload and towing numbers on the build site.
Thanks friend
Trying to share quality information. It looks like the axles are rated for 12,000 pounds combined so the real capability would be to put 4000 payload but they have their reasons for giving the truck a 10,000 pound GVW are
What that means is you can pull A big fifth wheel without any issues but technically you’re going over your vehicles rated capacity
Heyhey Brock I did a lot of research when I set up my truck, I learned that the more fancy your truck is the less payload you have. All of those extra fancy things take up weight. Power windows, extended cabs, etc all of it subtracts from the capability of the truck but you are more comfortable. Take care
Right, that’s kind of what I want people to take away from this video, that as your configuring your truck you need to look at how it all affects the payload
If you go to the ram capability website, the current picture shows a ram 2500 with the Hemi badge on the side pulling the same trailer and loader. It used be the Cummins equipped truck.
Now I understand why a lot of the "Hot-Shot" guys take their beds completely completely off the truck.....towing 3 or more car 5th wheel's.....
You just need to make your bed into a quick-release setup for when you want to haul a heavy skid steer (or TL)....(okay, this would be ignoring the way the goose-neck is mounted and your fuel filler....) Just make sure there are a bunch of fuel locations along the way so you can do the whole run without ever having more than a 1/4 tank of fuel......LOL!! Good video, really shines a light on something that is likely always overlooked!
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on it.
The truck is under rated
This is what I was thinking. He might have a lowered gvwr to 10000 sticker on his. That takes away 1000 lbs of payload for registration purposes
I used to own a RAM 1500, I miss having a truck. Thanks for showing us.
I loved my 1500 Limited but it just didn’t have the tow capacity I needed and my extended warranty was about to expire
@@RockhillfarmYT we downsized from the 1500 to a 7 seater Hyundai Santa Fe when we sold our travel trailer, but before we bought or 6 acre property... Now we need a truck again.
I was going to ask, don’t you ever haul your tractor anywhere? I guess a lot of people don’t take it off the property much
@@RockhillfarmYT no I don't. I live in a small town and can get everywhere I need to by driving it. And this way I can't trailer it to friends and family who want stuff done :) I don't have a trailer for it either. Haha. So I get to use it only on my property.
Nothing wrong with that
You can go over the GVWR as long as you don’t go over the axle weights on your tow vehicle and trailer axles. But you need a CDL class A license and have the vehicle GVWR raised at the DMV. So for a example, basically have your truck registered with a GVWR of 40,000 pounds.
Yeah, if they would just rate the GVWR at 11,000 pounds from the factory my 14,000 pound trailer still stay under 26,000 in this problem will be solved.
The truck is definitely capable of handling that without exceeding axle limits
@@RockhillfarmYT so if your trailer is over 10,000 pounds you need a class A license. If you make money with that trailer you will need a commercial class A license, if you use that trailer for recreational or private use, you will need a non-commercial class A license. Your GVWR, Gross vehicle weight rating, and your GCWR, Gross combination wheat rating. Are two different ratings. The how do you the number is the more it will cost you to register your vehicle. Like for an example, if you have a class A commercial or noncommercial license with doubles and triples endorsement, you can pull a fifth wheel with another trailer behind it, and that will most likely put you well over 26,000 pounds.
And your 11,000 pound GVWR, that is just for your truck. What is your GCWR? The GCWR should be around 20,000 to 30,000 pounds. So if your GVWR is 11,000 pounds, your truck should weigh around 8,000 pounds with a full tank of fuel. So you got around 3,000 pounds to put on your truck. And that is a lot of wight for a 2500 truck. And I would highly recommend always getting a 3500 single rear wheel pick up. If you do not need a dully. If you have any questions please feel free to ask.
@@RockhillfarmYT For a example. I have a 2019 Chevrolet 3500 Single rear wheel with a 6.6L Diesel engine. My GVWR is 11,500 pounds, my GCWR is 25,800 pounds, and that’s just what the sticker says but I can legally pull more than that if I register my vehicle for a higher GCWR.
My registration for my pickup is good for up to a GCWR of 36,000 pounds. “ noncommercial registration”
@@RockhillfarmYT go to you local DMV in your state and ask them what you need to do to to raise your GVWR/GCWR on your registration. And that will put your pick up in a different class win it comes to registration with the DMV.
Thanks for adding to the conversation. The comment about needing a class a CDL for trailers more than 10,000 pounds is only in some states.
In Kansas, where I live, you do not need a CDL for trailers over 10,000 pounds. You only need it if you cross the 26,000 pound GCWR.
The reason I did not mention GCWR is because mine is rated high enough that I will not exceed it
I don’t have an 11,000 pound GVWR which is kind of what the video was about. I have a 10,000 pound GVWR and an 8300 pound truck Which gives me 1700 pounds I can put on the truck instead of the 3000 that you said
Ram should write this truck at 11,000 pounds based on the 6400 pound rear axle and the air suspension, But for some reason they want all of their half ton trucks to be rated at 10,000 pounds
I bought weigh safe hitches And I weighed all of my trailers and equipment and verified that I can still haul everything I have without exceeding capacities
Thanks for watching
Until the current model GM trucks, OEMS limited 3/4 tons to DOT class II, which is maximum of 10,000 gvwr. GM is now exceeding that with their 3/4 tons, they are DOT class III. Payload is limited by this regulation. 10,000 gvwr minus a 7500 pound truck gives you only 2500 pounds to play with. If you look at Ford and GM 3/4 vs 1 tons the frames and suspension setups are the same, you can even get overload springs on the 3/4 tons. The difference is the rated gvwr, 1 tons fall into the class III category which is 10,000-14,000 lbs. All this DOT regulation stuff probably comes down to liability, insurance, etc.
nice, I have been trying to explain this to many. basically gas 1500/2500, dont get diesel until 3500. I ended going from a 1500 with 1780lb payload 11600 tow capacity, to a 3500 DRW max tow, 5800lb payload, 34800lb tow. my previous truck was at its payload limit with my family of 5+dog and a 19ft camper trailer.
Thanks for sharing. That 3500 should pull whatever you want to
ehhhhh....how fat is your wife....dang..dude she is overloading your rig....????!!!!!
Great video man. The tow capacity vs. vehicle payload is often overlooked. I love my 99 ram Cummins 5.9 the thing is a monster. It will def pull more than it’s allowed to with out a sweat but thankfully my truck is a heck of a lot lighter being a short bed, no frills type of truck, I also have 3500 suspension in my truck that’s why it sits so high. You add a simple programmer to your truck and you won’t Belive the power potential you’ll unlock. My truck is now making 550+hp and I should be putting down well over 1,000 ft. Lbs of torque just by a few simple mods and a larger turbo.
Best of luck with your new truck, can’t wait to see it on action 👍🏻
Thanks for sharing
Biff's equipment. Do you know where I can find a programmer for my O4 Silverado HD 2500 with the 8.1 vortec gaser. I can never find anything on the search engines that really convinces me. It's a great truck I only have 150 k on it. I know the factory detuned them reducing the ignition advance 6 to 8 degrees. I would like to improve the useful output. It's silly to have a modern fuel injected 500 cubic vortec engine only producing 340 HP. M Im old learned in the ignition points carburator days. Want to curb up just because.
@@tomstulc9143 hey Tom, they do offer programmers for gas engines.. tho they don’t have NEARLY the effect to a gas engine as they do for a Diesel engine.. a diesel you can nearly double the HP and torque in some cases depending on the Diesel engine and what supporting mods youv done.. with a gas engine they do Pep them up a bit and on more modern trucks like you have they can do a lot for throttle Responce as the new vehicles are all “throttle by wire” vs “throttle by cable” which greats increases lag which I can’t stand.. Ford is natoruous for being the worst with this lag. I don’t know if a specific programmer that will be best for your truck and engine as they are all different but I would look into a programmer called the “edge” programmer.. that’s what’s on my cummins and I also have a buddy who installed one on his dodge 2500 gasser and the amount of options it gave him were amazing, he was able to disable a lot of annoying things that kept power down and was able to pep the truck up quite a bit as well as helped with transmission shift points. Go check out their website or give them a call and ask them which model is best for your exact year/make/model 👍🏻
Thanks for the info
@@BiffsEquipment thank you.
Those axles are good for 8500 pounds. U can get 4000 pound capacity single tires. So 8000 pounds on the rear axle is the actual capability of these trucks single rear wheel, especially if u installed good bump stops or even air bags. Given the actual capability of the axle, hubs, bearings, wheels, the payload number is whack. No reason why your gooseneck 3/4 ton can't pull 30,000 pounds with srw. That's a 4500 pound tongue weight, with the other 3500 pounds of capacity used holding the truck and bed up.
Great information you're sharing. One part of it not discussed is the receiver and max tongue weight rating for a bumper pull. Most of these new 3/4 tons have a 2 1/2 inch receiver, which would allow up to a 21k pull, but the trucks tongue capacity is not anywhere near that.
Thanks for watching and sharing the info
I did look up the rating on my receiver. Owners manual show it be higher than what the truck is rated for
@Rockhill farm that's really interesting. Ford has done that somewhat with some of their 350 super duty with having a 3 inch receiver on them. My 2021 gmc has a payload of 3200# and an allowable tongue weight of 1850# or 2775# for gooseneck.
I should add its a nicely loaded 4 door cab with duramax.
I’m annoyed with the RAM numbers too. When I enter my VIN it says I can tow over 20k (2500 big horn diesel). I would never consider going close to that, CDL issues aside. I learned a lot after I got my truck too, but I don’t know that I would do anything different for my situation. I wanted the most comfort I could get for daily driving and the 2500 seemed better for that. That being said, I also am frustrated with the arbitrary gvwr, as you mention for the classification reasons. The axle, tire, etc.. capacity is well beyond 10k. It really muddies the water. Anyway, I do love my truck and I hope you enjoy yours too.
Thanks
I feel the same
You are bang on. This is false advertising and they play on peoples emotions
this video was VERY GOOD...Keep up the great work brother.
I have the same truck and can legally haul up to the approx 20k max tow capacity. I only tow equipment, so I can position the Machine wherever I want on the deck to set proper tongue weight and payload. I have 2300lbs of available payload so I just put the machine on the deck to give me 2000lbs or tongue weight leaving 300lbs extra for me, fuel and all that. 10% tongue weight is acceptable. It’s handy having the weigh safe hitch with the tongue weight scale. Good choice on getting one. Never have to guess on payload.
Where these 2500s fall short is with campers where you can’t change your pin weight. You can’t legally tow a camper anywhere near 20k with a 2500 since they’ll have approx 4k tongue weight.
But you’re definitely right, most people miss the payload part of the equation part of the equation, partly because the manufacturer does a poor job of explaining it.
As a Ram salesman, we are told by Ram that a bumper pull trailer should have 10 percent tongue weight. Gooseneck towing is 15-20 percent. This is why i sell way more 1 ton trucks.
I took the measurements with Weigh safe hitches and several different trailer configurations. I came up with 10% on the bumper pulls and 14 to 15 on the goosenecks
How you actually distribute the weight makes a huge difference though
Thanks for Watching and for adding to the conversation
@@RockhillfarmYT Your welcome! I do post videos of vehicles we do have here at the lot weekly.
Great video!
Thanks
I was hoping this might be helpful to people ordering their first diesel truck
@@RockhillfarmYT it's an extremely important topic that many don't think about. Great job explaining.
I worked for a place we ran into this problem. We had a lowboy Pet for our large equipment but had bumper pull trailers for smaller machines. Some of our truck where dually but the all had box bodies full of chains and tools. One of our trucks got hit with a small skid steer by Dot that's when we found out that our trucks loaded could pull a trailer but we couldn't have anything on them. So now we only pull pumps and air compressors behind crew trucks.
Thanks for sharing
Great video. Thanks for sharing it. I have a Ram 2500 and last month I ordered a 3500 HO with an Aisin transmission to tow a larger fifth wheel camper. I think the dually would be better for your application.
So I was trying to stay in that middle ground so that it would still be a convenient option for a daily driver and be able to pull that much
The number I did not focus on enough was payload.
You don’t know what you don’t know so hopefully this helps other people.
Ultimately I think the truck will still do what I want it to though
@@RockhillfarmYT SRW 1 ton better choice for you
Long time ram fan here. 2018 ram Cummins 3500 single rear wheel with stick shift. Sounds tough, right? Maybe not so much. Max tow for this crew cab is 16,000. It will do more certainly. I have a better clutch in it now. But as delivered 16,000 pound tow. my gooseneck is a 14 K. It probably weighs around 4000 pounds? That means with 55 horse tractor and implement I’m probably OK but with my 10,000 pound skid steer with a 1200 pound front rotary cutter I’m over the line on the trailer and right at the line for the truck. I am very mindful of that, and keep things just local for that reason. The pictures in the Dodge ads are overly optimistic to say the least.
I know for the fourth generation, there are published specifications that break, everything down, gas, diesel, diesel, high output, stick shift, single wheel, rear wheel, cab type, and all of that. That’s what you have to go by. The door jamb also. From what I have learned, the best tow rig is going to be a single cab, 2 Wheel drive,dually, with high output, automatic.
You hit the nail on the head that why I bought a ford f250
What is your payload rated for? I’ve heard Ford people have the same complaints about three-quarter ton diesel‘s
@@RockhillfarmYT 3624 lbs, ram low because of the coil spring on rear
That is simply not true. I have air suspension and it doesn’t change the payload rating.
Every trucks Payload rating is the GVWR minus the weight of the truck, and almost all 3/4 ton trucks have a 10k GVWR
If your payload is higher it means that your truck weighs less. The only 3/4 tons with a 3600 pound payload are gas instead of diesel or they are single cab
At least GM abandoned the 10k cap on 3/4. I wish Ford and Ram would follow. Great video.
Agreed. It needs to be a little bit higher for a three-quarter ton diesel
The best way to look at capacity is trim and options. The higher the trim package and the more options you get. The heavier the truck gets and that decreases payload and towing. A base model single cab long bed with 2wd have the highest numbers for payload and towing. There have been many issues with people buying the highest package, trying to haul and tow, and ending up breaking the frame. If you want every option, biggest cab, 4X4 and want to haul or tow the top numbers advertised for a 3/4 ton by a auto maker. You will need to go to a 3500 or 4500 to get those numbers. If you want the max listed capacity and capability in a 3/4 ton work truck. Then buy a base model single cab 2wd. The 4X4 will add a few hundred pounds to the truck but will be close to max numbers.
I knew that the higher trim levels included more stuff that reduced your payload and towing capacity, and I totally agree with you that having a payload and tow rating after the build would help us to make the proper build choice. My 2021 3500 Laramie dually crew 4x4 Cummins HO was rated with over 5500 payload and 32000 lb towing. My 2022 2500 Lonestar (Bighorn) crew 4x4 Cummins is rated 2200 payload and 17000 towing. That 3500 has so much more room for extra options, but to maximize the 2500 we have to severely curtail our luxuries just to maintain legal capability. I prefer the unloaded ride of my 2500 over the harsh hitting 3500 any day of the week, as does my wife.
Thanks for sharing. A lot of people, myself included, focus mainly on tow capacity I don’t realize the effect you’re having on the payload.
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The highest payload numbers are nearly always with the regular cabs, which people generally do not buy. Also 2WD as well. Trucks are tools, but so many people buy them as vehicles. And that's because the same people that used to buy trucks aren't the only people buying trucks these days. You have plenty of people that used to have a Jeep, a Camry, a Civic. And Dodge should do better, but I bet that Ford and Chevy do the same thing. Also who in their right mind tows the max tow capacity of 13,000-14,000 # on a routine basis with their gas 1/2 ton? No one that wants safety and longevity , that's for sure. Good video Brock, I love the breaking down of the numbers. None of what you said is surprising, but happy to see some people paying attention.
Ford does the same as Dodge. Chevy has recently started putting a slightly higher GVWR on these
I didn’t realize it as I was ordering how drastic the difference would be in payload. I was hoping this video would help some people understand it during the process
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@@RockhillfarmYT Yeah, in 1/2 ton trucks, it's probably even worse, lower payloads while they stretch the towing capacity to new heights.
Yeah, my half ton that I just traded in was rated for 11,800 pounds tow capacity and 1400 pounds payload.
Realistically it should’ve been rated lower and this one should be rated higher in my opinion
My truck is rated for 19,000 towing capacity which is fine but the payload rating is low for reasons beyond the trucks capability
Every option you add to a truck adds weight. The more options and loaded the truck is, the heavier the truck. The heavier the truck, the lower the payload and towing capacity. The massive payload and tow numbers are usually based on a 2wd regular cab gas truck. My current truck is a 2019 f250 Xlt crew cab short bed 4x4 with the 6.2 gas motor, the payload capacity is 3480 lbs. My business partner has the same exact truck but with the 6.7 diesel, his payload capacity is 2280.
Everything you put on it matters, but the diesel is far and away the difference maker
Load the wagon dont worry about the mule i run a 32ft gooseneck and regularly go over the scales at 25 26 27000 everything on a 2500 diesel is the same as a 3500 different springs
My 2006 Megacab 4x4 DRW only has a GVWR of 10,500lbs while the Quad Cab Long Bed 4x4 DRW has a GVWR is 12k+ lbs. I think they may have underrated the Megacab so the combined GVWR is under 26k lbs to ensure RVers don't require a CDL. Class 2b is 8,501-10,000lbs and class 3 is 10,001-14,000 so in my case, it is not the class but likely the total GWVR. Sometimes the rating is based on tire capacity as the rear axels on the SRW and DRW are typically rated at 10klbs either way.
Thanks for sharing your experience with it
I do think they have other reasons behind the rating system besides the capability of the truck. Part of that being consistency in relation to who does and who does not need a CDL
I’ve done a lot of reading on this and talking to people and I think they could rate my truck at atleast 11K GVWR without overloading the axles or causing a safety issue.
I did a video using all the weigh safe Hitches to verify exactly how much tongue weight I’m putting on the truck and just yesterday I received a weight distribution hitch that I’m going to be installing today
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The mega cab weighs more than the crew cab. May not seem like it but it's a much heavier cabin.
Air supports can help with this problem, it is recommended that pickup trucks or trucks that carry over the maximum weight have an air support system.
I have air shocks on my truck. They do not change the rating system.
There are two separate conversations. What can the truck actually handle, and what is it rated for legally
Finally, someone has the guts to tell it like it is. Those truck commercials are all full of lies.they just want to sell a truck. If you are going to pull loads on a regular basis like the truck commercials. Get a Dually. With a goose neck. So many people are out there pulling stuff. And they're so overloaded. Remember anybody can get something moving. But trying to stop is another thing. Extras on a truck doesn't add to GVW!
Yes sir.
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The real limiting factor is the tires. That’s why if you look at the door sticker, the rear axle rating matches the factory tires that come with it. Upgrade to heavier tires and suspension and the rating will go up to the new rating on your tires.
Bumper pull? No. A good mounted tow trailer hitch below bumper will definitely displace the bumper weight for payload , especially on a low boy type trailer. Your tongue weight considerably less. Hauling this weight with a gooseneck in the 3/4 ton is the worst option without added airbags etc. 🤦♂️
I don’t get how people don’t understand a bumper pull is 10% hitch weight while a gooseneck is 20% hitch weight. You haul more trailer with a bumper pull by a lot unless you don’t mind blowing past your trucks gvw.
I can bet you those trucks on the website are a tradesman trim. I bought my bighorn because the limited and Laramie had only 1480 and 1550 lb capacity. My lower trim truck has 4180lb capacity. Tradesman would come with probably 5100lb or more from my research, but that's a plain truck and zero doodads. But this was in 3500 class not 2500 which would be even a more limiting factor. So choose wisely.
When buying work trucks to tow what i get is regular cab long bed dually .the 3/4 truck is to light in payload and rear axle capacity .the minimum truck i have got or would get is a 1 ton single wheel .Also the short bed is a no for me you cant put 8' ply in box unless gate is open and with a gooseneck the hitch is close to the cab over a 8' long box.
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As you can see in my profile picture I have a 2018 Ram 3500. I looked high and low for a truck configured the way I wanted on a dealers lot. I was told I would never find it. That was true, so I ordered mine. My 2018 Ram 3500 is a loaded out Larime SRW with 4.10 gears and a 6.4 liter Hemi. Max towing is 15850 lbs, Max payload is 3750 lbs, and a GCWR of 22,900 lbs. I tow a 16 foot bumper pull 14K dump trailer with my truck with no problems. I looked at a diesel version of my truck (minus the 4.10 gears) and the price was right around $12K more, and not much difference in the towing numbers. I used the $12K I saved to buy the dump trailer, and a thumb fo my backhoe. LOL
Thanks for sharing. Sounds like you Made a great choice especially in how you put that extra money to use.
I always find the numbers interesting. For instance your payload is almost double what mine is but my tow capacity and GCWR are actually higher
I think either truck could actually handle more than the rating but you don’t want to get in trouble for it
Thanks for sharing the info
inside the door of your ram there should be a sticker showing the payload capacity for that VIN.... To be safe step up to a GMC 3500 or a 3500 dually... GMC does an excellent job showing their trucks capacity inside the doors of their trucks
I was in the market for a Cummins Ram 2500 but ended up going with a Duramax GMC 2500 because the payload is over 1000 lbs higher. Of course the GMC has a GVWR of 11,350 which is gonna mess with people's registration and insurance in some states. I've heard different theories about why the Ram 3/4 ton payload is so low but haven't seen anything really convincing. The most popular theory seems to be that the payload and GVWR are "artificially low" so you should just hook up your 16,000 lb toy hauler, crank up the air bags, and SEND IT!
Air supports can help with this problem, it is recommended that pickup trucks or trucks that carry over the maximum weight have an air support system or air suspension system.
Ram site is very deceiving, I did all you did but caught these issues through research and talking with people, I moved up to a 3500 and mine has a payload of 4200 lbs and tow capacity of 20000 lbs , Tradesman 3500 Crew cab with few thrills. But you are correct, Im on a couple 5th wheel sites and many don't really care about being over on payload, they just pull it. Good luck, at least the truck value is as good as what you bought it for, Sell it and buy a 3500. Good luck
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It’s the extra weight of the diesel engine. It takes away From your payload. I’m amazed how many people don’t realize this. Gas engines are lighter, smaller cans are lighter, shorter beds are lighter. You really wanna tow, get a 2 seater, shirt box with a gas engine. 🤷♂️ you add people, you reduce your payload, you add engine weight, you reduce your payload , you add truck body weight, you reduce your payload…that’s how it works brother. I agree it is very deceptive because most people don’t know this that don’t manage a truck fleet. What you do get with diesels is a long life of engine, simpler repairs, etc. but what you trade is the fact that you HAVE to tow all the time, if your diesel engine is t running at at least 70% of it’s raped capacity, it’s eliminated all the previous benefits mentioned as useless don’t run on spark, they run on compression, if that cylinder isn’t just screaming, you’re not getting full compression and your not gonna get the diesel longetivity. This is straight from my time at Cummins. 70% is the official number from internal Cummins engineering. If your not hauling all day, forget diesels. That’s why a VW diesel is a 4 cylinder, so it screams under the weight of the body and passengers.
Hate to be that guy. But for most of the USA. Payload only matters if you meet certain conditions:
1: if youre above a certin weight in GCWR/GVWR (variable based on state)
2: if you drive commercial (you do it for work/pay as or for a buisness)
3: if youre in an accident
If youre below about 26k GCWR you often wont need to worry about a CDL or your payload. Not more then you care about your own person safety and wear on your vehicles.
I know, i know, its extremely irresponsible to not follow your weight ratings. And worse yet to go over the legal limit. Youre not just risking yourself. Youre putting everyone around you at risk. But atleast by law. You can do above your rating for personal use. But "not" above the legal limit of your area.
Payload is dependent on a lot of factors but remember your tires have a weight limit of their own. A lot of what factors into payload capacity is tire capacity of weight on tires. Just because you get a single rear wheel 3500 that you will be able to haul that much more. Their is a reason that Dually trucks exist. That is why I only buy long bed dual wheel trucks. More capacity for hauling in bed or hooking up to a trailer.
Recomended payloads are just that. Recomendations. Its a liability issue not a performance issue.
Great video, I'm in just about the exact same situation. I have the Rocky Ridge Package that is causing additional considerations such as height issues for the fifth wheel.
I try to stay within the ratings as much as possible for safety and legal reasons but I think the least important rating is payload. I may sometimes go a couple hundred pounds over payload if all the other ratings are met
The reason I say Payload is not the most important is because the way they rate them doesn’t make sense and DOT doesn’t really pay attention to it
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@@RockhillfarmYT Agree on the DOT ratings. I have a custom made carbon-fiber moto. Helmet with NASA impact foam. But since it doesn't have an inch of Chinese Styrofoam it's not DOT rated.
Love the truck. Super nice! - I was a bit surprised you didn’t go with an old beat up f650 dump truck with a pintle hitch… that way, with all your side jobs, you could also grab material (rock, garbage dump runs, etc.) with a dump bed - and tow big weight. I don’t know if the CDL comes in to play there…. But that was a direction I’m hoping to move in - while getting a sweet daily driver like your new truck as well. LOL
Awesome transparency Brock. Frustrating website RAM!!!
I do have an interest in getting an old dump truck like that. The second concern was being upside down on my other truck because I put 60,000 miles on it in 2020 and wanted to trade it in while the trade in values were so high so I would be upside down $10,000
I’m going to try to keep the miles down on this truck and diesels hold their value better
Thanks for sharing. I might get one just to be on the safe side but I’m pretty sure I don’t need a CDL
Lol Look up PD Diesel, he does hot shot work with mostly Ram trucks… I trust his judgment
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Great video
great video Brock. Appreciate the insight. I'm learning a lot!
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I know Ram has a app or QR code that you can scan your door sticker and get the exact numbers for your specific truck.
TFL Truck has done a video on it when the '19 year model came out.
Thanks Brock for the video, its definitely food for thought. 🤠
Never mind, my phone skipped over the part where you had that in the video. Air pods are a pain sometimes...
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My 2022 f 350 gasser 7.3 is a beast. I pull 15,500 all day :)
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You can see the new payload after your buildout if you click on “add to model compare” at the very bottom. Then scroll down to dimensions
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We got our trucks basically at the same time. Our trucks look identical. Except I have the 6.4L hemi . Mines a crew cab with 4:10 gears. I went gas because diesel offered nothing in towing or payload. According to my vin look up on the website. My payload is 2,860 towing is 16,820lbs . I pull heavy with mine . O some advice. Get rid of those transforce tires lol.
Congrats on the truck. The Diesel engine weighs 800 pounds so that is the reason for the payload difference.
I bought the diesel because I put ridiculously high miles on it and I was hoping for the resale difference on a 200,000 mile truck
Tow capacity it is 19,700. I think there is a flaw in the rating system used for Payload
@@RockhillfarmYT Since I'm around farms a lot . Man did I get ridiculed for getting a gasser lol. I only put on like 10 to 12,000 miles a year . So I see what you mean resale is their for diesels .
I’m not trying to say one choice is better than the other. The gas truck has advantages. Just saying what’s I did
I watched this before purchasing my 2022 RAM 2500 4x4 Hemi. I seldom tow anything but we have used it for 5 adult women and all their luggage on a trip to San Antonio. It performed very well though it's not as comfortable as a half-ton pickup and is taller. The ladies had to use a stepladder as well as the running boards to get in and out. I did not need a diesel for my purposes and still do not.
We bought a Brinkley 3610 and the pin weight alone on it is 2500 lbs. had to upgrade the tow vehicle to 2024 3500 because it has 4k payload even with single axle. Just wasn’t comfortable in the 3/4.
The truck in the picture with the loader isnt a limited or high level edition. The more basic a truck is the more payload it has. If you have all the bells and whistles you lose payload cause them extra add on of luxury weighs more than a standard. Just like a ford f 250 xlt will have more payload than a lariat or king ranch
What you just shared, DOT knows very well. The extra cabs, doors, and 4WD means you can haul less, not more.
Right. I was hoping this video would help people who are in the market to buy a truck and maybe didn’t understand that information
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I’m a charter member of the Just Send it club.
Basically, I am too.
But I do want to know the numbers And I think a lot of people buying these trucks don’t understand the payload Numbers.
I think it’s going to be interesting to look at the real numbers with the weigh safe hitches
Another set of numbers I didn’t talk about here is that your axle ratings tell you more about what your vehicle can actually handle than the GVWR but the GVWR is what you were supposed to follow
The rear axle can support over 6000 pounds but they say I can only put 1900 in the bed if I’m sitting in the drivers seat. You know there’s not really that much weight on the back of an empty truck
I’ve been sayin this for years about trucks. A truck 3/4 ton with a diesel has no payload capacity. Payload goes way down especially when you choose all the options like heated and cooled seats, and all the other creature comforts ppl want in trucks these days. That’s why the Laramie diesel doesn’t have any payload capacity. Curb weight is too heavy to have the capacity. That’s why old trucks were better because you didn’t have all the fancy stuff the new ones do. Think about it, old trucks, crank windows, cloth seats, no collision sensors, just a basic truck, a lot lighter truck but had good payload capacity. I’d rather be over capable of towing something than to under or right at the limit of a trucks towing capacity.
It blows me away that the engineers that developed this truck signed off knowing this.
I plan on buying a 1 ton Dually for stability with diesel. And meet guidelines.
I have a 2015 cummins 4x4. I pull a 40ft 5th wheel with no problem. My total weight truck trailer and everything I need is 22780.