Just a heads up for anyone who will need to desolder those switches: Use big chisel type Soldering Iron tip with ~350-400C setting. Angle the tip more parallel with the board and place enough extra solder on those 3 pins so that you enclose all 3 in melted solder once all 3 are liquid pull out the switch. Afterward, clean the holes of solder(solder wick or suction). Place new switch into the hole, place PCB and tighten PCB screws then solder the new switch into place(switches are angled slightly so this is the way to solder them back correctly). Hope this will help out.
Thank you very much for this teardown! I had an extra arm retainer holder that holds the momentary switch stuck in my gimbal. Everything else is ok, I hope. TBS production line is too generous. At least, I have an extra part now. LOL.
Great teardown, I love being able to see what's inside these things before I buy. What voltage is present on the JR module bay power pin (the middle of the 5 pins). Looks like on the PCB it is labeled as 6V0? EDIT: Bought one and I get 8.11V on the JR module power pin.
the spot for the xfnano has me intrigued, TBS is always planning 3 features ahead. , now if i can flash this to work on those $12 elrs receivers ill be in heaven
@@WezleyVarty thanks for clarifying the sx1280! I figured they used pic32 so it seems someone just needs to port the code over. I guess with all the cool stuff they are doing currently with elrs on stm32 & esp arch they are busy with that and someone just needs to take the pic32 task up:)
not quite :) If you desolder them, clean holes then all you need to do is insert the switch into the case hole put PCB back and solder switch legs. It will end up being soldered at the right angle.
I would use plasticine to get a copy of the right angle if I can not measure it. But plasticine can help a lot as a third hand and other stuff so it is not that big deal to get the angle right. And mounting a switch to a board is rock solid as long as you take care and the soldering is done right. If you prefer to use miniboards you will end up in an endless amount of cables and cable connectors and all the issues that come along with those connections and pieces. The more pieces you have the higher the likelihood of breaking. Therefore car industry is trying to reduce parts and pieces and connections.
They could probably run custom firmware on a crossfire nano inside and use it as a TX it'd be pretty low power though, I think wireless trainer is a more likely use but, maybe they have a whole other thought in mind.
It is labeled student module, I imagine it will be to receive the signal from a different radio. You could assign who controls the vehicle to a switch.
I have a QX7 from 2017 that is adjusted to be really loose but still center. I bought another QX7 as a spare a year later and it had a totally different feel and was stiffer. When I tried to loosen it the same the sticks didn't center. I'm open to trying the Mambo but how loose can you make the gimbals?
How is the gimbals like to replace? Are there any wires connecting the gimbal to the PCB or does it use magnets only at the bottom for the hall sensor to detect like the Tango 2 gimbals?
Dang just got mine and went to flash latest firmware and now its bricked. Bootloader mode doesn't work either. After flashing new firmware it doesn't power up. Seems like am not alone. This radio is like a ticking time bomb...
thank you for making this. did you see any provision in the Mambo electronics to run an external power output for the full range 2watt crossfire module? it is required. but the controller only runs on 4.2volts? cheers
@@LivyuFPVthanks hmm i hope so. it would be a determining factor for me. the full tx module has an xt30 for a 7v+ input when running over 1 watt (which I like to do as there's a lot of noise in my region and the range isn't very good under 1watt). Hey thanks for your reply dude. Sub'd 👍
I finally found the answer my own question on multirotor guides and You can equip it with the Crossfire, Multiprotocol or any other JR sized module, Hopefully it won’t be too hard to set up with the happymodel 24 ELRS🤔
@@mitchellroberts7954 traditional hall gimbals have one sensor per axis, for instance a sensor for roll and another sensor for pitch. Tango 2 however has only one sensor for both which makes endpoint calibration a nightmare plus a lot of inconsistencies, I threw mine and got a a nano TX for my xlite, that one can say what ever but at least the gimbals are not that bad
5:22 Using the screwdriver on the positive end of the battery seems sketchy. Too easy to short the button top to the outer negative shell under the wrap. If you use the screwdriver on the negative side you will avoid that completely.
6:19 genuine branded 18650 cell are limited to 3500mAh capacity, anything claiming to have more than 3500mAh is just fake crap.....so go for 3000mAh to 3500mAh only
Oh wow that's super super duper dangerous, just putting 2 user changeable batteries in parallel. When you put 2 with different charge you could have a fireball in your hand shortly after! Not every user is aware of this.
@@LivyuFPV They are maybe when a fault in the device is present but polyfuses can't be used for balancing bateries.xD. Real weird design decision on this one from TBS
Just a heads up for anyone who will need to desolder those switches: Use big chisel type Soldering Iron tip with ~350-400C setting. Angle the tip more parallel with the board and place enough extra solder on those 3 pins so that you enclose all 3 in melted solder once all 3 are liquid pull out the switch. Afterward, clean the holes of solder(solder wick or suction). Place new switch into the hole, place PCB and tighten PCB screws then solder the new switch into place(switches are angled slightly so this is the way to solder them back correctly). Hope this will help out.
Thank you very much for this teardown! I had an extra arm retainer holder that holds the momentary switch stuck in my gimbal. Everything else is ok, I hope. TBS production line is too generous. At least, I have an extra part now. LOL.
Great review!
I'm totally into small sized remotes so I see no need to swap. But I love the confidence the v3 board with den power gives me ;)
Great teardown, I love being able to see what's inside these things before I buy. What voltage is present on the JR module bay power pin (the middle of the 5 pins). Looks like on the PCB it is labeled as 6V0? EDIT: Bought one and I get 8.11V on the JR module power pin.
I'm just getting into the hobby. Looks like this would be a great radio to start with.
Fantastic overview and teardown. I’m really tempted on one of these to be fair.
Pre-ordered the Ethix one! Can't wait to get it
the spot for the xfnano has me intrigued, TBS is always planning 3 features ahead. , now if i can flash this to work on those $12 elrs receivers ill be in heaven
tracer does not use the sx1280 I believe, so elrs will not work. Edit: tracer does use sx1280 ! :)
@@cheesestickfpv6162 Tracer 100% does use the SX1280
@@WezleyVarty do they use the pic32 mcu's?
@@cheesestickfpv6162 yep. PIC32 for both Tracer and crossfire.
@@WezleyVarty thanks for clarifying the sx1280! I figured they used pic32 so it seems someone just needs to port the code over. I guess with all the cool stuff they are doing currently with elrs on stm32 & esp arch they are busy with that and someone just needs to take the pic32 task up:)
angled, board mounted switches will end up being a bad idea. Those will be challenging to replace on your own.
not quite :) If you desolder them, clean holes then all you need to do is insert the switch into the case hole put PCB back and solder switch legs. It will end up being soldered at the right angle.
I would use plasticine to get a copy of the right angle if I can not measure it.
But plasticine can help a lot as a third hand and other stuff so it is not that big deal to get the angle right.
And mounting a switch to a board is rock solid as long as you take care and the soldering is done right.
If you prefer to use miniboards you will end up in an endless amount of cables and cable connectors and all the issues that come along with those connections and pieces. The more pieces you have the higher the likelihood of breaking. Therefore car industry is trying to reduce parts and pieces and connections.
outstanding review
Can you please update your links in the video description? Some don’t work. Looking for tweezers. Thanks!
They could probably run custom firmware on a crossfire nano inside and use it as a TX it'd be pretty low power though, I think wireless trainer is a more likely use but, maybe they have a whole other thought in mind.
At 9:50 there’s a silkscreen on the board at the bottom right that looks to fit a Crossfire RX exactly. Interesting future upgrades maybe?
It is labeled student module, I imagine it will be to receive the signal from a different radio. You could assign who controls the vehicle to a switch.
I have a QX7 from 2017 that is adjusted to be really loose but still center. I bought another QX7 as a spare a year later and it had a totally different feel and was stiffer. When I tried to loosen it the same the sticks didn't center. I'm open to trying the Mambo but how loose can you make the gimbals?
How is the gimbals like to replace? Are there any wires connecting the gimbal to the PCB or does it use magnets only at the bottom for the hall sensor to detect like the Tango 2 gimbals?
My guess that the student option is the rx to connect another remote in parallel for trainer
I like the layout except the switches, they could of made phenolic wedges for pennies for field repairs, think hiking 30 miles to a spot.
Thanks
Soldered switches… in an angle 😳
Replacement will be a nightmare 🙈
not quite :)
desolder broken one... clean hole of solder place switch in case press pcb in place and solder it. It will solder at the right angle :P
hmmm no USB at the top for simulator?
@@serhiirudenko6183 there is on the bottom
@@LivyuFPV 🙂👍🏻
Dang just got mine and went to flash latest firmware and now its bricked. Bootloader mode doesn't work either. After flashing new firmware it doesn't power up. Seems like am not alone. This radio is like a ticking time bomb...
Tracer in Europe with the allowed 25mw is not really interesting and working I fear. Nevertheless thumbs up for a nice done radio
thank you for making this. did you see any provision in the Mambo electronics to run an external power output for the full range 2watt crossfire module? it is required. but the controller only runs on 4.2volts? cheers
There are some empty footprints for something power related so yeah could be
@@LivyuFPVthanks hmm i hope so. it would be a determining factor for me. the full tx module has an xt30 for a 7v+ input when running over 1 watt (which I like to do as there's a lot of noise in my region and the range isn't very good under 1watt).
Hey thanks for your reply dude. Sub'd 👍
last Q: will the current firmware accept express LRS module? :-)
Can I assume correctly that as this has a JR module bay I could use the happy model ELRS tx module with this radio?
Thank you 👍
Yes it has a jr module.
@@LivyuFPV so can this can be used with the Happymodel ES24TX 2.4GHz ExpressLRS?
I finally found the answer my own question on multirotor guides and You can equip it with the Crossfire, Multiprotocol or any other JR sized module,
Hopefully it won’t be too hard to set up with the happymodel 24 ELRS🤔
1 answer is missing from the question in the beginning: same gimbals as used in the tango ?
Basically 90% same design bit different the mounting section
Hebben gvd, that's Dutch for need that 😄👌🏼
Any way to swap the momentary button from the right side to the left side?
Looks very interesting 🙃
Whats the Battery life with an Crossfire Modul in it?
I apologise if I missed it but is there in built charging?
yes, usb type C
How do you connect to a sim? Is there a separate port? You pinch, is it comfortable to pinch with?
hi, yes it is way more ok for pinch ing than tango remote.
Thanks that's good to know I've ordered one and that makes me feel that I've made the right choice
The internal antenna looks like a Diamond antenna already
What MCU? Didn't hear exact model.
Flat screwdriver works best for those switch nuts ;)
Off camera did exact same thing :p
Soo now we can connect the expressLRS and get receivers for 13€!
Does it support Frsky?
Nice liv !
Are the batteries for the mambo included in the normal package?
No.
nope
does the gimbals have only one hall sensor shared among 2 axis? I threw my tango 2 to the trash for that :/
What do you mean? How is that an issue worth throwing a Tango 2 in the trash over?
@@mitchellroberts7954 traditional hall gimbals have one sensor per axis, for instance a sensor for roll and another sensor for pitch. Tango 2 however has only one sensor for both which makes endpoint calibration a nightmare plus a lot of inconsistencies, I threw mine and got a a nano TX for my xlite, that one can say what ever but at least the gimbals are not that bad
Finally!
Can anyone tell me how to check region my mambo is set to and how to unlock if its locked please?
Which mcu ? Stm32?
So running CRSF full module on 1W how long before 18650's are dead?
I have no ideea i had to charge it after 1 week of daily flying 1 lr flight per day at 1w and rest at 500mw
@@LivyuFPV so that's not bad. I like it. Thanks Livyu FPV 👍
5:22 Using the screwdriver on the positive end of the battery seems sketchy. Too easy to short the button top to the outer negative shell under the wrap. If you use the screwdriver on the negative side you will avoid that completely.
obviously, I was careful :)) but TBH I was waiting for this comment from the time I recorded the video :P
are you from romania?
yes
All a matter of time when we'll see a Pro verison or a Mr.Steele verison. Just watch, this radio controller is just too good for just one model.
@@mattiagatti1200 ;) hehe
It looks kinda small...
SH.... is something like... Go back home and try again TBS... 🤔
6:19 genuine branded 18650 cell are limited to 3500mAh capacity, anything claiming to have more than 3500mAh is just fake crap.....so go for 3000mAh to 3500mAh only
👍👀🇭🇷
The biggest 18650 capacity is 3500 any seller offering more is a scam
Oh wow that's super super duper dangerous, just putting 2 user changeable batteries in parallel. When you put 2 with different charge you could have a fireball in your hand shortly after! Not every user is aware of this.
that's why they used the poly fuses there :( safety feature.
@@LivyuFPV They are maybe when a fault in the device is present but polyfuses can't be used for balancing bateries.xD. Real weird design decision on this one from TBS
Yo no compro en Banggood no responden por la paqueteria son unos sinverguenzas
Look bad quality and finished
Man that is one ugly ass radio...Love the Tango 2 but this thing na.....
The same shitty gimbal... Prepare te calibrate them as often than on Tango 2...