THE SECRET GENIUS OF INSANE CLOWN POSSE
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- Опубліковано 18 тра 2024
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What is the secret genius of Insane Clown Posse aka ICP? Some of what I talk about:
* Violent J and Shaggy 2 Dope's early years with Insane Clown Posse & origins of the Dark Carnival
* The lyrics to Insane Clown Posse songs like "Hall Of Mirrors" and "Riddle Box"
* Their beef with Disney/Hollywood Records on "The Great Milenko"
* The Gathering Of The Juggalos and Psychopathic Records
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0:00 Intro
3:22 The early years of ICP
6:41 ICP's surprisingly deep message
11:00 Revealing their secret ("Thy Unveiling")
14:00 The Gathering Of The Juggalos
17:41 ICP's business empire - Розваги
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Hey bro make a video on $uicideboys and their impact on underground rap and trap metal
Hey Finn, for what its worth this has been one of your best deep dives of late. Far greater than the recent album-by-album overviews (eg Korn). imo you do much better when analysing the brand/ethos of artists than when focussing on the music. So more of that please. ❣
*cough cough* (Punk rock, listen to Twiztid)
great vid n nice flannel much love
Sorry Finn your wrong juggalos aren't mostly white people I'm black and I'm a juggalo I know alot of native American juggalos and Latino juggalos Asian juggalos and black juggalos I'd say white people are only half of the juggalos community
I’ve taken my wife to see tons of bands including ICP, and she always says their fans are by far the nicest and most polite. ICP was the only show we’ve ever been to where a guy turned and saw her behind him and moved so she could see. It’s truly a misunderstood subculture.
Its sick The FBI legally labelled them a gang.
I can not help but help but love em....I AM A MOTHERFUCKIN JUGGLER
Yeah most of us are really good people, just a little different lol.
thats awesome nobody does that
When I was in a band the juggalos were my favorite group to play in front of, they have a ton of energy and if they like you they will show it. We opened up for Tech n9ne a bunch and they love him.
The Juggalos that I've been friends with are some of the weirdest, most accepting, nicest people I've ever met.
U spelled incest wrong, boss
Same here, they also happen to be very deep human beings with múltiple interests in life...
I remember having a scottish juggalo friend who we bonded with over all different Sort of stuff from Nu Metal, WWE, fighting games and cartoons to food, life experiences and loving our pets...
Im not a juggalo (tho I love me some ICP) But I think the guys deserve More respect than they get...
Same. When I first moved to Michigan as a young teen, I had 0 friends. The school was super cliquy and I was considered on the lower income side of things. A poor family lived on my bus route and the kids were all juggalos/juggalettes and were the only kids who let me sit with them on the bus and were kind to me. The 8th grader with a poorly done hatchet man tattoo who looked like his family could barely feed him was basically my first friend.
@@DrDipsh1t Aw man that gave me goosebumps
Juggalos are good people
Not a Juggalo ,but I support any music scene that promotes treating your fellow human beings with decency and respect,rock on.
Juggalos are basically like the Brony fandom... Extremely dedicated, extremely open minded and kind and ultimately misunderstood by the mass media and people outside the Fandom
Shuuuutup
The story about the butterfly made me tear up, that’s so wholesome and sweet, I really wasn’t expecting that in this video. Great job as always Finn!
I got teary eyed on that too. Its a beautiful story
I blame black ice.jk.😢
Punkrockjuggalowarlord
As a juggalo that's been watching your content for over a year I feel compelled to thank you for respectfully you handled this group, their music, their fans, and the surrounding culture as a whole.
as a partial. theres so much more lol
We are family
Whoop whoop.
mcl
MCL ninjas! Whoop whoop! I wish i was Gathering
from a Juggalo, thanks for not using our subculture as clickbait like most tend to. mad respect homie. So many people have a preconceived notion about who and what we are.. almost ends up being our best defense. The only people who come to the carnival are those invited from the inside or they found their way somehow because they needed it. balance your Karma and The carnival will provide. whoop whoop
mmfwcl 🤍🖤
What? Lol made 0 sense
@@ryokohakabi8886 over your head. If you need it the carnival will find you.
Makes complete sense to a fellow Jugg. That's what makes the subculture so dope. WhoopX2
Whoop whoop
Honestly, The Great Milenko is still one of my fav albums by any band.
Great Milenko got me through some tough times! It makes me feel so many different emotions listening to it. It's therapeutic because it makes me laugh, cry, & even feel anger. I can tap into & release all the anger towards my alcoholic father when I hear Halls Of Illusions. Especially when I hear it live.
Hells pit for me Suicide Hotline hit different badly
Riddle Box for me but Great Milenko is my 2nd
ICP is such dogshit lmfao
I saw them on the great milenko tour a couple years ago and they did the album top to bottom, no extras no encores, killer fucking show.
their song "terrible" has to me been absolutely timeless. you can put it on today and its still just as impact as when i heard it back in the early 2000's
Yo, The Amazing Jeckel Brothers album was, in my opinion, their best overall album.. every song on the album was great, even the post intro intro songs Jack and Jake Jeckel.. the content, beats, raps, message.. for me this album eas the pinnacle of ICP albums, true classic legendary album.. the albums before and after we’re great but not in the same fashion, for instance they may have had a handful of songs that hit all around and the rest were average or below average.. this was record was amazing
You don't know what's terriblee
Well, that's fuckin TERRIBLE. Sure we'll hear about it for MONTHS. 🙄
@@tonymerancio9628 That was my favorite album of theirs.
Juggalos are the last of the punks, the only remaining true subculture. I have huge respect for everything they have done, even though I don't listen to their music or anything like that. It's true, genuine outsider art.
True
Youre a real MVP for sure. Two Whoops to you.
I think those are gutter punks dude. also theres huge communes in the midwest that celebrate punk, its not in the cities. So youre misinformed. Radioactive Chickenheads have been ripping up the west coast for decades, who had members at one of those communes.
Woop woop! Thanks homie!
What a stupid thing to say.
I'm one of those people ICP saved. I've been through just about every music scene one can think of and there have been times where I just didn't get along with anyone from the hardcore, punk, emo, or goth communities and just had a really hard time, especially in high school when I was getting bullied. I never admitted to people that I listened to ICP, that would have lead to more bullying, but there have been multiple times in my life since then where I'll turn on ICP and when I'm really depressed they actually help me out a ton. I've never been to any of their live shows, and I only like probably 20% of their material, but thats enough. Even having just a few songs that you can relate to can be a small light in the darkest of times. I'm 35 now and when I have really bad days I still turn them on and they help me get by which is all I could ever ask from any musician to be honest.
🪓❤️Whoop whoop
Hey... Whoop Whoop fam, much love!
Whoop Whoop!
i know all that too. i became a juggalo because it felt ok to not necessarily belong, and thats ok cause shit, at the carnival we got the 3 rings and we can fuckin boogie woogie woo no matter your shape size, or taste in puddings.when life gets you down- let icps cartoon nightmares do all your killing for you. thats how i feel. they got a song about basically anything worth making a rhyme about too. the association through the non association socially is neat. ever met a juggalo you didnt at least get along with? not likely-your a juggalo. the meaning of that has changed and muddied now that icp is more visible, and the era of the first six cards has played out , the mystery and intrigue of the storyline and mythos of the carnival and the crumbling of time itself happened at some point lol i remember whenever it was near impossible to get any info on them or their music unless you were super dedicated. i just so happened to catch the great milenko in 97 cause i heard boogie woogie wu, and was intrigued, and listened to the rest of it, and have not liked any other bands music as much otherwise since. im 33. did you catch any interviews that were being had, or freshly aired, or see their cameo on mad tv or any of that stuff and freak out like i did back then cause it was so rare?
Jesus Christ I feel bad for you
These guys are THE de facto story about the American Dream! Pretty much started out in a basement and ended up a massive, multi-million dollar empire with pretty much zero radio play, zero help from the music industry, etc. Absolute business geniuses! The thing too is that they are absolutely nice as can be and they work HARD as hell. Their work ethic is second to none. Been a listener of them since Carnival of Carnage (Yeah, I know...OLD) and you have to take them for what they are. Jokers and comedians with a message underneath it all and musical beats that are experimental. They're Detroit staples and still have a massive following in the city. Also, not to be a stickler..but it's E-SHA-MM...another crazy weirdo that could only be from a place like Detroit. The Godfather of acid rap and a living legend in the underground music industry....I can tell you for sure, "Pass Me By", is a hard hitter of theirs for not fearing death and the afterlife. One last thing (those who know will know!), I want to give a shout out to Cactus Sack!
Son of prickly balls lol classic
Whoop whoop
Dude you had to have been there on the lead up from carnival to Jekyll brothers. Forgotten freshness was dope too
Doctor Hightower is a juggalo? Holy shit I needed to come to this timeline
Yeah fr I wish I was born earlier so I could have been there to wait for those albums, its still always fun to listen to those albums in order. 🤟
@@Lurch685 I saw the words "is a juggalo?" and my brain went WHAT IS A JUGGALOOOOO????
@@nftscreenshotter6436 well if that’s what it is, well, fuck if I know 😁
Jekyl bros was kinda their black album. Thats when they were trying to mainstream, bringing snoop dog and odb to shit all over their music. Its a good album but im glad that time was short.
As a Juggalo, obviously--I just want to say thanks for taking the time to give us an honest look and sincere review. Conceptually ICP is one of the rarest groups you will come across, there are so many layers that I've been a Juggalo for 20 years and still find crumbs of something new, or a new point of view that I've only been able to realize as I've gotten older. Its a shame that they're written off so quickly but its being a hidden gem that has made them so special. Thanks for giving Juggalos a chance, we're tolerant to a fault--and thats often taken advantage of.
PANDERING TO THE LOWEST ELEMENT OF SOCIETY IS NOT SOME BIG SECRET.
THEY HAVE BEEN DOING THAT RIGHT IN EVERYONE'S FACE FOR DECADES.
@@DOOMJESUS you act like talking to the "lowest elements of society" is a bad thing. Would you prefer nobody talks to them and completely ostracize them?
@@miguelangelthomas5154 IN OTHER WORDS, YOU DON'T NOW THE MEANING OF THE WORD, PANDER.
@@DOOMJESUS and you don't know what the lowest element of society is.
@@hostileX7 OH, YES, I DO. IF THE SHOE FITS, JUST WEAR IT AND GET USED TO IT.
As someone who grew up angry, poor, and white, you hit the nail right on the head. It was a family that invited me in when my other alternative was an angry, abusive dad, and a scared, complicit mom. Thank you for the video. Always happy to hear when people see ICP and Juggalos for what they truly are.
I grew up listening to this music, juggalos were always the most accepting, but also some of the weirdest most psychotic but honestly solid good-hearted people I've met
Juggalos are some of the nicest people. My Deaf brother was obsessed with ICP growing up so I ended up taking him to see them and everyone there was so nice to him. They painted his face, propped him up on peoples shoulders to get a better view etc
People hate ICP and love Eminem, but Slim Shady was basically Marshall's Juggalo persona.
It's the same food, just different cooks.
Brilliantly expressed
Eminem is a fan of ICP himself. Detroit legends.
@@themostsecretscience6409 there's a story.
He passed out fliers saying he had booked ICP to appear, but hadn't asked them yet. That's why they beefed, but Proof squashed it.
@@justyxplosion666 Awe, knuckle bump
This is by far the most beautifully thorough and honest take on ICP. Thank you for being respectful and digging deeper. Juggalos as a whole are the most amazing group of people I’ve ever had the honor of meeting.
Kung Fu!!!!
I've seen u plenty of times in Dallas and u are one of my favorites and most respected artist.
@@ripgut6155 appreciated immensely. Thank you.
Hoping to return to texas this fall 🥩
Legit talent right here. KFV is the most humble person to ever come from Cali. Talented af too
@@rayraysphone thank you Ray Ray.
Through a weird chain of connections, particularly in Detroit where my family is from, I hung out with ICP in the 90’s a couple times when I was a teenager. They’re extremely nice guys from my experience. I also concur with all of the other commenters who speak of how wonderful overall the Juggalo community is. Even if you can’t stand their music, I don’t know how someone could have a bad time at one of their shows.
One doesn’t have to like their music, but ICP’s always had God tier production. Their beats are incredible.
This is one of the best pieces of media on Juggalos and ICP ever. Well done Finn. Mad respect for an unbiased, even handed view of the Dark Carnival alternate universe
Whoop whoop fam! Always see you in the comments
I love Finn’s positivity and willingness to see the good in people. He’s done this numerous times on artists who have been shot down in the media or sneered at by elitists. It’s something pretty rare on UA-cam as most just want to glorify someone’s shortcomings for the sake of views. You do make a difference Finn as I suffer like fuck with mental health but your channels’ attitude and approach always helps me. You’re a gem 💎
#wholesome
As someone who doesn't understand, how does his method of presentation help with your mental illness? I think of schizophrenia & bipolar when I think of mental illness.
I have three types of mental illness and suffer with a great deal of unwanted thoughts. Finn offers a very positive outlook on life for me. He offers escapism. He makes me laugh. He looks past a person’s vices and finds the good. I get so negative towards humanity, and Finn offers me a ray of hope that there are nice people in the world snd things aren’t all bad. These are just some immediate reasons I can think of as to why Finn helps me, but there are more. I don’t know how much of Finn’s content you have seen, but if you suffer with problems and want an enjoyable distraction then watch his shows 💎
He has terrible taste. Doesn’t like Megadeth, doesn’t like a good ballad, shits on grunge music and pretty much only likes angry white guy stuff.
Facts 💯👍
I was introduced to icp when I was 17 in 1997. Immediately hooked. Wacky lyrics, catchy beats and a community all its own. The music and genre grew to the point of several artist on the label all representing those of us without a voice. I'm still a hardcore fan to this day, even with the split of twiztid and icp kinda just going back to their own thing. I'll be down till I'm dead in the ground! Whoop whoop
WHOOP WHOOP FAM!
Whoop whoop
Whoop whoop
Even better, 17😂
As someone who grew up to this because their parents were Juggalos…This video passed the vibe check..and the comments passed the vibe check. I eventually grew out of the music..but I come back to it every now then because they are a loving community, you feel safe. Everyone is their most authentic self and don’t give two f*cks what you think. I appreciate you speaking your own thoughts but giving us the respect and recognition we deserve. Thank you. 😌
"Vibe check"? What are you 12?
In high school, 2003ish, they were at their prime, and my best friend was absolutely obsessed with them. She kinda read into their music way too much and found some crazy deep meaning and it did bring her out of a very dark place.
I don't get it, but I didn't need it, really. But I still have respect for their community and getting where they were despite all their obstacles.
After watching into their video more... I guess she wasn't reading into it at all. Lol! She just got the message
Cause there was some deeper shit in it
The message is there for those who need it. It's all about perspective, homie.
They saved me to in highschool
Shangri-La.
By 2003 they were already out the door..
Not a fan of the music at all but loads of respect to them being themselves, loving their fans, and just being roudy
This was honestly the best outsider's perspective I have ever heard in my freaking life. You are fantastic my dude
As a long time (non Juggalo) ICP fan I'd say their longevity comes from starting independent and riding the wave until the rest of the industry was forced to become independent. Now every artist is in a world where they are most comfortable. Their secret is cryptic merchandising. They made buying ICP products fun and valuable. Sometimes it's a 12 part comic book with a new CD single inside. Other times it's a specific color album that contains a bonus song or secret message inside. They made collecting their merch fun for their fans.
I have more respect for icp, than I do 99% of artists. They've achieved more, they're better people, and they're better to their fans
Man, I wasn’t expecting to shed a few tears with a video about how wholesome ICP can be, thank you so much for this info Finn
Wow, I never knew or understood much about ICP or the Juggalo scene, but it makes so much sense after watching this. I'm really glad those dudes found success and that so many people found artists to connect with on such a level
I never get sick of ICP. I’ve loved them for about 18 years. Nobody gets it because they aren’t listening. They’re the most entertaining, nice, badass band in existence. They’re geniuses.
I will absolutely admit... before watching this I was one of those people that thought they were lame and their fans were weirdos, addicts, and dorks. This really changed my outlook. I cant say Ill become a huge fan of the music or anything but my respect level has drastically increased and shame in myself for not doing more research before repeating judgements I hear on the internet. For someone that struggles to feel like I "fit in" in most situations it is honestly heartwarming to know that people find that in that community. I even found myself kind of interested in one of these gatherings.
😅
Much Clown Love homie ❤ come gather you'll have a ball and will be welcomed with open arms
This was a really well done piece. I’m 36, I started listening to ICP when I was 13-14, and have ever since. - It’s a good feeling inside to see the boys get the recognition and respect they deserve. Good job.
about gaddang time some would say
I did the same exact thing started listening at age 13 and i listened to them here and there over the years still went to their concerts when they came to cleveland ohio. A couple years ago they were in cleveland a band called mushroomhead a metal/rap band from cleveland and my buddy knew their one drummer and we went without any tickets and while we were hanging with mushroomhead ICP stage manager came up to my buddy and I then asked us if we wanted to go on stage at the end of ICP show and spray faygo on the crowd. I honestly felt my life was complete to get to stand next to violet j while he is singing and pour faygo on his head . My buddy wasn"t a jugglo but he like a couple song he was a metal guy and was there for mushroomhead but he said to me that out of all the different concerts we had went to I ve never seen you enjoy a concert that much. After that night he got to spray faygo from the stage at his first ICP concert he was a jugglo for sure. Im 36 now and started listening to them alot again in 2020 and still listen to the and kottonmouth king almost everyday. God bless to all out there and hope you can find what you need thru music because it saved me not when I was that kid 23 years ago but 2 years ago when I started listening again and im feeling and doing the best i have in a long time and this video just gave me hope that maybe there is hope for open people.
@@snyderssuburbans2797 lucky mfer lol good for you, man.
I was a Juggalo back in the day and ICP defo helped me through some shit I went through..They have a tune about everything..it's magic.
Dude ICP are legends and every gathering proves it! This years gathering of the juggalos was a prime example, every person I’ve talked to says it was one of the best this year and every year gets better. These guys never miss
I helped a friend run a small venue for local music acts. We had a group of local juggalo artists play. People told us over and over not to have the show for a variety of reasons mostly reduced down to the white trash thing (even though most of the acts were black.) We had the show anyway and they were amazing people. They were the only group of fans that showed up to a Local show in iowa and STAYED for every single act. We didnt have a liquor license so if anyone wanted to drink it had to be on the down low and they did. They did an amazing job at keeping each other in check with it. There was no problem at all with the fans or act. The only arrest that night was our own security guard. The fans even stayed afterwards and helped us clean up. It was an amazing night! RESPECT TO THE JUGGALOS!
This is awesome. Been a Juggalo since the late 90s
Im a 40yo father of 5 from Indiana lots of my brothers are OG Juggalos. This warms my heart to hear this, cause i've seen it myself and weve all grown up be Great fathers mentors and Gentlemen. We'll chase one another down the road if we forget to tell em we love em before they leave. I cant speak for all, but thats the fam i know and love.
WOOP! WOOOP!!
Fuck yeah they sound lime awesome artists and fans
To Juggalos it's no secret that they are being judged day in and day out. When a venue gives them the chance they go out of their way to self-police. They marched on Washington DC in protest of being labeled a gang and after they left the locals were amazed out how clean the area was afterwards, they picked up after themselves and left the place better than it was when they got there unlike most protest groups who leave garbage behind. The venue I worked for booked Juggalo shows on a whim and we wound up not even putting security on staff for those nights because they would do it themselves. They have class, it just doesn't fit in the same spectrum as everyone else.
My best friend growing up was WAAAY into ICP, by proxy I heard all their albums many many times. haha. Once I started absorbing some of their lyrics, and starting to be able to "sing" along with them, I started noticing very quickly that hidden among the graphic imagery of their music was a very positive message of anti bigotry, acceptance of not only other people, but also accepting your own faults and learning you don't have to be defined by them, you can improve and make changes within yourself to be a better person. A better person, not by typical definition bring a straight laced person and defining success by wealth, but simple things you can change on a daily basis like the way you treat others. I remember thinking just how clever these guys actually are. To this day, they've got a few albums I still listen to because they are unlike anything else out there. Well made. Well produced. Better story telling than a lot of other groups regardless of genre.
I got huge goosebumps when you played that clip from the unveiling. I don't really like their music, but I had some juggalo friends as a teenager and they were really accepting. they were from broken homes and just wanted people to accept them. I was blown away when I heard the unveiling for the first time as a teenager. I have a hell of a lot of respect for them. Fuckin' magnets, how do they work?
Well done sir, you get it. ICP and psychopathic records in general have saved my life... I was one that anticipated every new single, EP, and LP's just to find out what the next message was... I was a angry, lost and pissed off at the world... they allowed me to put things into context, and know I wasn't alone. M🤡❤️ fam.
I’ve always known there’s more to ICP than people give them credit for. I read Violent J’s book and it made me really emotional. That dude has been through some shit. I love ICP’s music too. I think it doesn’t get enough credit for being as good as it really is
Imma surprised Violent J can write seeing as he left school when he was 14.
@@corriedebeer799 did you leave at 13?
@@corriedebeer799 Most of what the public school system has to offer - especially when it comes to English and grammar - gets pretty redundant after 14 years old. Maybe he just “gets” things faster than you. 🤷♂️
Except magnets, obviously.
@@willrunriot eh also most musician/entertainer autobiographies are written with ghost writers anyway. Basically an actual writer does a huge long series of interviews and uses those recordings to create a narrative for the artist's life and then writes from the artist's perspective. I'm a huge fan of that genre of books and easily over 95% of them are written that way. So can't really knock J for doing it too.
Behind the paint is one of the best books I've ever read. J has a great story telling style. You hear his voice reading it like he is just telling you the story in person.
Thank you for covering this with so much positivity. ICP has saved my life multiple times and has given me an amazing family I could have never imagined. The gathering is the most magical and loving place on earth.
WHOOP WHOOP!!
The Gathering is something magical and there will never be anything else like it.
Woop WOOOP!!
I was watching this on my tv and I had to go and find my phone. This vid was amazing. As a teen I was a die hard juggalo, I’m positive I’ve seen them live more than any other group or band. I changed and fell out of the scene. At 39 this video reminded me how important the message of ICP was to me growing up and to so many others. Excellent work!
I have always thought of ICP as the media portrayed them. It’s really amazing to hear the back story. Thank you for sharing and being you.
I used to get 6 month expired faygo from the dollar store around the corner when I was in my late teens. icp always popped in my mind when purchasing those 3 liter bottles for 50 cents. That moon mist aged like fine wine lmoa.
Shoutout to moon mist I haven't had that shit in 20 years🤣
Dude Dollar Tree selling 3 litres for a Buck was the shit
Under the moon!
The Juggalos are fascinating as a subculture. Some how, ICP turned into pop-cultures collective punching bag. They were the one "safe target" for everyone to make fun of. When you see that, it's usually a sign that the rest of the world is missing something. Really interesting take, Finn.
break the bones, the body will heal.
break the spirit ,and the body will die.
we dont give a damn if you dont like us
cause we dont like you cause your not like us.
First time I hear about ICP was in a movie Solaris, based on Stanislaw Lem science fiction novel. The riddle box track passed so well to the meeting Snaut scene.
As long time Juggalo (down since late 94') I've seen icp 17 times, in 5 different states. They have over 30 albums, 3 movies, games and yearly concerts. I can testify that juggalos are mostly polite, and kind, just misunderstood. I've seen the kindness of icp and their peeps first hand and I have nothing but love and respect for them. I'll always be down 4 life, Whoop Whoop! MCL!
A story I've heard a million times. I was a juggalo for probably 7 or 8 years, I still go back and have a listen from time to time but back in the day it was all Psychopathic. Wouldn't say it saved my life but definitely helped me get through the tough times as a teen in the mid 90's, especially moving from a small rural town in SW Michigan to a big city school in SE Portland. I think, you can apply the "There's people that listen to Jimmy and then there's the people that actually hear what Jimmy is saying" to it. Nicely done break down and shout out to Vinnie the ICP Kid.
Youre one of those people Juggalos hate because they turned their back on down with the clown til im dead in the ground. lol
Vinnie went on to create a wrestling fed and helped a lot of kids get their footing in that world, awesome dude.
"Was"? You were never a juggalo.
@@khonky lol
@@nwerd7584 my thoughts exactly.yous just a juffalo. its alright. its not your fault. you just missed the point of what a juggalo is. you cant just in and out. it is you. or....it isnt.i bet your favorite song is the neden game isnt it?(which youll likely refer to as just"dating game" ) its cool till your around your rich friends, huh? a story ive heard a million times.
*_Love them or hate them, you have to give these guys their props. They are the definition of “self made”. They proved all the haters wrong, including Sharon Osborne, and overcame the most adversity ever in the industry. Nothing but respect for I.C.P._*
Whoop Whoop
I love them
I.C.P. = 🗑
Can't stand their music, but definitely respect thier message & work ethic!
Every once in a while, I’ll watch the feud they had on the Howard Stern show! They roasted Sharon so hard and i love it!!
I outgrew my ICP phase but I completely appreciate your take on them. (And it turns out I can still remember most of the lyrics over 20 years later).
Same!
ICP in the 90s was incredible. Sadly when they stopped using Mike E Clark as their main producer and changed musically after Jay started smoking weed they really became a different band, but that 90s era is legendary. Legit still sounds amazing today, especially Milenko and Riddlebox. I was a huge juggalo back in the day lol
This! 👆
Didn't know that
In ICP’s case, you die the villain, or live long enough to see yourself become the hero. I’m a proud Juggalo of 24 years. Got my first tattoo 21 years ago. The respect has been pouring in for them recently, not just from Finn.
I think as long as you stay true to yourself, you'll always outlive the fashionable hate
Source spoke through him
Riddle Box was the first album I'd ever owned, I was seven years old and my neighbor had given me a bootleg cassette tape. I listened to that cassette about four times before my parents took it away from me. That day was the day my life started down the path its currently on. I'm not a juggalo or anything but I do have me some love for the Wicked Clowns.
The lore idea of a Dark Carnival with each album being a concept of a joker card is actually incredibly clever and creative.
I was super into them in the height of their popularity, studied their lyrics, listened to all of their associated acts and loved it all. They get a ton of unwarranted hate and despite the dark tones of their act, they had some of the most positive messages I’ve ever heard in music. I’ll forever love these guys for what they’ve done
loved "Great Milenko" & "Jackel Brothers" when i was a kid. In the 90s i was into b-movie horror, sci fi and video games so without all the juggalo lore i was super entertained by them on my own terms.
Ya I did love their old 90s stuff ,current stuff past few years tho been mehhh
@@chillingguy8386 they were good at the time, "Treehouse Of Horror" material
*Jeckyl
For both class and regional reasons ICP never appealed to me but I remember hearing "Homies" for the first time and really admiring their message. I came from a pretty dysfunctional family and struggled with self-esteem and I've always been drawn to the people who had something in their lives that made them stare into the abyss. The kids from exceptionally stable families came off as oblivious and non-introspective.
Milenko was definitely their set off record, 99-2005 ICP was probably their best years. I was expecting you to mention their side projects. Their 1st Dark Lotus CD with Marz is one of the most unique albums i ever heard and it is really good.
Facts!
First dark lotus album is one of my favorites
Once again, thank you for helping me break down my calloused misconceptions. On my way to truly loving music and the people.
Thanks, Finn. I was never a fan of ICP, but now I understand why they are so popular. I really like that you present a different perspective on things and you help to remove the elitism and barriers.
This is one of my favorite content pieces on UA-cam. Finn has a trademark fairness to his reviews and I think my favorite overall point he brings out is that in this society it's cool and encouraged to hate particular groups of poor people.
Aside from that I really appreciated the unrecognized messages behind ICP's material.
Any group with a positive message gets my vote. Even if I don't like the music, I respect the hustle. It isn't easy getting up on stage and going ham with your passion. Especially with all the haters.
ICP and the Juggalos are dope and I am glad they exist. Been to a Show of theirs in the early 2000s in San Diego, was a really good time. It also seems that the public is coming around on them and they are not the butt of jokes as much as they used to be. I would love to go to a gathering some day. I think they are Legends. Great video!
As I've gotten older, I've kind of fell away from ICP. Just not a huge fan of the music anymore. But, strangely, even as my love for the music dropped, my respect for them still kept growing. They're a couple of "weirdos," but they're such genuine dudes with hearts of pure gold. Juggalos, like any fandom, has some pretty terrible people, but it sucks seeing so many people write them off as a whole because of that. Most of the Juggalo fandom are amazing people who also share ICP's heart of gold.
I know this is already long, but one story sticks with me. I was at this gas station a few years back and I seen a couple people walk in, full clown makeup, tats all over, chains. The kind of people who just look like gang members. There was an older woman at the counter and she'd dropped her money somewhere and as it turned out she was homeless and that money she dropped was the only $20 she'd seen that week. Those two dudes noticed her in tears and walking out of the store and immediately walked up to the counter to ask the cashier if they could buy her stuff. I watched them take it to her and then handed her a $100 bill. Really made her day. I'll never forget that day.
Being from the rural Midwest, there was a lot of overlap in nu metal and ICP fans back in the early 00s. The Juggalo kids were usually also Slipknot fans too so we hung out in the same circles and they were always super cool. Never got into them but I loved their branding and DIY ethos.
Also digging all the anti-gatekeeping on both channels.
Man I'm from Conway AR & you are 100% exactly right. The ICP kids were also the Slipknot/Tripp pants kids. 100% one of those "Yes! Dude!" kind of moments to see this comment lmao.
Yes, "Maggalos". The Knot and ICP have a huge overlap in fans.
I can vouch for this. Around 2003-2004 I was a regular user of a Slipknot web forum and eventually became a moderator. There were quite a few ICP fans. I wouldn't say they had a huge presence, they were still a minority amongst people who were just getting into extreme metal with Slipknot acting as their gateway band but they were noticeable. Most of them were pretty cool guys.
@@brianpatrick6308 fuck i havent heard that term is so long.but yall are right. ive been a juggalo since like 2002 (7th grade). all time favorite band is slipknot. shit i miss the days of hot topic being for goth and juggalos.
Maggalo here!
That's the best thing about this channel. It doesn't matter what kind of music it is you will talk about it. I went a few years where ICP was the only thing I would listen to. Thank you for doing this video.
Finn, you just keep doing it over and over. Thank you for bring us your perspective and these stories.
This is probably the greatest video you've made so far, the way you explained the religious connection of shang-ri-la and the dark carnival was likely the best explanation of that i've heard and FUCK YEAH on your comment about the classist nature of a lot of ICP/Juggalo hate. I know you don't like ICP but you can come to the gathering anytime, you're an honorary lo for this video lol.
Music aside, I've had so much respect for ICP over the years just for their business stuff. Absolute geniuses when it comes to branding and merchandising.
As an early 80's baby I did most of my growing up in the 90's. I remember when The Great Milenko came out. Friends would compare the CD covers because it was the same album but different colors and other stuff. There was a partial message in the sleeve. I remember at the time thinking their music was cool because of how unique it was and it gave me something to relate to. I grew up in a house decimated by domestic violence and Halls of Illusions was a bit of a respite for a teen like me in the 90's. There were other signs back then what they were doing (meaning behind their music) but man you have to give those guys credit they played that shit well. Damn you just sent me down a rabbit hole of old music I haven't listened to in years
This
Their music probably did save my life when I was a young man. Thank you so much for this video.
As a Juggalo for the last 23 years, these guys are amazing and genius. There has been so many instances that I've needed to feel like I belong. These people have saved me in so many things.... my love for ICP will NEVER die. I legit thank God I found them. And i thank God they exist. Keep it real. 🤘🤘🤘
I was a big fan in middle school and while I moved on to different music as I got older, my cousin was still very much a juggalo. In the days after he passed away, I listened to the 6 jokers cards albums to commemorate him and remember when we were kids listening to ICP. A lot of their music is silly, sure, but a lot of it is also very deeply conceived. I've read Violent Js autobiography and it was clear that he is a very poetic thinker, both of those guys are truly very genuinely nice people and care about their fans and humanity in general. Despite having a hard upbringing they found some way to have an impact on the world and stay original. Honestly, the clown thing may seem goofy to many. But I don't see it as any more goofy as the fake characters that many popular artists present themselves as. The top 40 acts in the country, they are all clowns in a way. They just wear their facepaint on the inside.
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Well said 💯
This is so deep. Much love for doing this dive into the life of essential Juggalo info. Been down for 21 years myself. I miss my copy of Behind the Paint. They spelled it all out in that book. How they were raised and so much of their adventures through becoming what they are. I hope they ever do a part 2. They use real things in their music though. That’s why, and what, in my opinion, makes them so successful. P. S. I kind of knew what they’re point/message was from the get go. First album I heard was Milenko. But the song Under the Moon is why I saw it. Anyone interested in Wicca will understand exactly what that song says. But then, more importantly was Hallelujah.
They literally guided me through their music to being a better person than the "role models" life provided me. They since fell off in my opinion, but the message was there when I needed it most
Fun fact:
These guys are self trained wrestlers who have also wrestled for both WCW and WWE.
JCW was also the first wrestling company that AEW star Ruby Soho signed with and she's VERY popular
JCW has Vampiro as their champion. Sabu, Kevin Nash, Scott Hall, Jeff Hardy, and Mankind have all wrestled in JCW and are juggalos.
i decided to deep dive into ICP about 5 years ago and figured out the same thing. not my sound or style, but they're marketing geniuses and it really says something about someone who can drop out in 9th grade then go on to market themselves so successfully for multiple decades. p inspiring honestly. and that's why for the past 5 years i've been an honorary juggalo.
I've never been able to get into their music, but absolutely respect their grind and the community they've formed. I did not think I'd sit through this full 24m video. Thank you for putting this out!
Love your channel man... These are things that are so interesting and otherwise one wouldn't know about them. Thanks and keep it up!
I've been to 2 gatherings as a non Juggalo and it was a fuckin blast. Juggalos for the most part are good people and I even as an outsider I genuinely think ICP loves their fans. There isn't another music act out there that puts themselves out there as much as they do. I wish some of the groups I liked would do some of the cool shit they do for their fans. I'm glad finn put this out there because I always felt the punk and metal communities try and act like they're not the same freaks and weirdos that juggalos are. We are the same, it's just that our music is better.
Been waiting for this one! No matter what anyone thinks of ICP on a musical level, on a business level they are up there with Kiss, Ozzy, Alice Cooper etc. in regards to business and marketing in the music industry, they have a generational following that will be there for decades, even beyond them. That's legendary shit.
Thank you sm for making this video and giving more perspective for people who never knew the whole image behind them. They’ve always been inspirational and saved so many kids. Much respect 💯
I am so very happy that I came across your broadcast. I have heard of these guys a few times, and your investigation is refreshing. Nice to see time taken to understand the fans, and how the culture serves as a nice resource for the misunderstood and very atypical. Really cool.
Great video Finn!!
ICP and being a Juggalo through my formative years from 96-07 really helped me with all of the bull shit that life threw at me. The friends I made along the way are invaluable to me. After getting married and having my children, I grew out of the hardcore Juggalo way but I'll always look back on those years with great fondness.
My supervisor at my previous job was a hardcore juggalo when he was young. He is one of the nicest and most genuine guy I’ve ever met.
all i've ever seen or heard about ICP was about the crazy parties, drugs and violent lyrics. This video did a great job of showing an entirely different side of everything. Thank you.
Whoop whoop! Great video! Lots of awesome info! I just got into ICP last summer and haven't looked back. Their music is brilliant.
When I was in high school i casually listened to them, so my criminology teacher made me write an essay on ICP because juggalos had just been declared a gang, and another kid in my class wrote his essay about how much juggalos sucked.
My essay was much more persuasive.
No surprise there. When one's argument is based on opinion/insults, they've already lost.
@@prestonjennings9085 Exactly! Very little research goes into personal opinions of that nature.
This is one of the most interesting, comprehensive videos I’ve seen on a band in a long time. Really enjoyed this one, Finn! It most definitely inspires me to go back and take a look at their discography
Thank you so much for putting all of this into one video man
I've been a Juggalo for 25 years. Thanks for posting this.
Dang man excellent video, my mind is actually blown. “ICP has a positive message encouraging people to find God” LOL I NEVER THOUGHT IN A MILLION YEARS. Congrats on 400K btw
And yes there’s nothing but love in the juggalo community
I had a year-long phase of liking them in 1999. I grew out of it like I did wrestling but I respect what they do.
They have their own brand of wrestling, also.
@@combatdeffective2121 jcw
Nice 🙏 I didn't want this video to end. I always love hearing people talk about them and what the whole movement has became.
I just came across this video. Thanks for making it! I've enjoyed some of there stuff but didn't know all of this. I was sorta curious about the hole Jugalo thing and didn't really understand it but now I do.I will be listening to more in the future and now have a new apriciation for ICP and there music! Thanks again!!!!😁😉
I've worked with these guys on a show before and I can confirm ICP are the sweetest, kindest most humble down to earth people I've ever met in the music business.
As a Juggalo (Been one for 9 years.) that just randomly found your video on my recommended page, thank you for making this. This was the most respectful and well made piece of media surrounding ICP and Juggalos in a long ass time. Whoop Whoop!!
I have never been a ICP fan, except for that lyric “Dunk my nuts in your soup…bloop”. Thanks for opening my eyes to their purpose beyond enhancing broths.