HOW SLIPKNOT CHANGED METAL FOREVER
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- Опубліковано 1 тра 2024
- Everyone knows that Slipknot changed rock and metal forever with albums like "Iowa" and songs like "Psychosocial." But I go even deeper, including:
* Slipknot's roots in death metal and grindcore vs their singles like "Before I Forget"
* How Joey Jordison popularized double bass and blast beats
* How they were different from nu-metal bands like Korn and Limp Bizkit
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0:00 Intro
1:54 Mainstreaming extreme metal
6:29 Why Slipknot is NOT a nu-metal band
9:25 Their death metal and grindcore roots
12:24 Joey Jordison's drumming
18:26 The role of their masks - Розваги
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Damn bro, you're focking cool as hell. I always find myself agreeing with 99.99% of your stance on things. Your Joey Jordison stance especially. Rip man. I watched this whole video. Liked👍
Good video dude.
Couple of clarifications though -
1. Lars Ulrich - yes he isn’t the most technical drummer. But with “One” - Lars inspired tonnes of drummers to try out the double bass. Which wasn’t commercially acceptable before Lars’ double bass drumming. And Joey Jordison, Brann Dailor and Mike Portnoy - all excellent and technical metal drummers - all were inspired by Lars. That said - blast beats were never commercially successful in the mainstream before Joey Jordison that’s totally true
2. Joey is much more than just a death metal drummer. The dude was one heck of a songwriter and guitarist too. Don’t forget his stints in murderdolls (horror punk), Rob zombie (industrial metal), korn and even Ministry and Satyricon (black metal)
Finn is here
Grind core no mate they classed as nu metal extreme thrash and melow death metal
People into = extreme thrash
Before I knew what the rest of Slipknot looked like, I met Joey on a bus in Vancouver BC in 2005. I thought he was just some metal head heading to the PNE Forum. He had his long black hair, black leather jacket, black Obituary shirt, black pants and black boots. I asked of he was going to see Slipknot. "Na, I gotta work in the morning. Besides, I seen them the past few times they came though. Gonna give them a break this time. (points to my first Slipknot shirt from their first album photoshoot) You a fan?". I then explained to, what I thought was some random dude, that Slipknot has been my favourite band since 1999, that I never cared what they looked like, I just enjoyed the music that soothes my soul. He thought that was awesome and the band would be glad to hear that. At my stop I tell him "Sorry you got to work in the morning" and start to head to the back door. He says "I'll see you later" as the door closed. Thought that was weird but I had to get ready for my first time seeing Slipknot. Cut to a few months later and the DVD of Roadrunner's 25th Anniversary comes out. My friend brings it over and when we get to Joey's sessions, I realized I told a founding member of Slipknot how much I love his band. RIP Joey. At least you're jamming with Paul again.
This just goes to show how cool of a guy Joey really was. What a tremendous loss.
Anyway, awesome story, man!
Thank you so much for sharing it with us :)
Bruh moment, but damn you’re lucky.
wow what a great story!!! thank you for sharing 🤘🏼
Thats so badass dude. Joey definitely helped me define my drumming though i personally haven't touched a kit in ages and feel foolish even mentioning it but fuck it. Slipknot definitely helped me get through some shit in my life. It's humbling to always see how human they still are no matter what. RIP Joey and Paul, you both are sorely missed. Cherish this memory for as long as you live bro.
thats a great story.very cool
Slipknot has been a great “beginner” metal band that got a lot of people into the music, which is why it annoys the hell out of me that metal purists treat anyone who likes their music like trash.
✋ "Cool, like em too, check these other cool metal bands"
👉 "LMAO what a poser, go listen to Justin Bieber lololol"
I think almost anyone had the same attitude for a while. Being angry kid searching some place to belong you often fall to this kind of gatekeeping attitude. Music becomes some kind of ideology when you're young. Too bad some people never grow up tho
I feel like most of those super elitist Metal purists (nerds) that refuse to give credit where it’s due are just a bunch of unhappy virgins anyway. So fuck their opinions
Ditto for Metallica
For me and my friends the first steps were Slipknot, Linkin Park, Limp Bizkit when we were kids, then came all the heavy shit I like now. That's why it is so important to have huge mainstream bands, the ones that elitists hate
elitists and gatekeepers are the worst and no body should care about them, the worst part is that they are objectively wrong too and don't know what they are talking about.
Slipknot and Deftones really transcended Nu Metal, and have done such great things.
Korn haven't done that bad.
The nothing was an amazing album
only took like 15 years to finally come up with another halfass decent album... i was a HUGE fan from 94 til about the time head left... and they pissed me off playing a bullshit show with nothing but their crap new songs, not even one bagpipe note. korn had a big influence, but slipknot literally changed the game. and have just now come out with a less than great album. lot of people seemed to like it too... but not for me, had to come some time. they have been getting shadier and shadier, and less and less slipknot with every couple years somebody getting kicked out or leaving now. but it's been over 20 years and for most of that they only got more and more popular. korn was big, and definitely had an influence on the whole scene. but nobody save for maybe metallica has ever really been as big as slipknot. and they didn't really change anything. propbably would have if cliff hadn't died... but korn never had a cliff or joey or corey or mick. somebody that was just way beyond anyone else, and ya kinda gotta have that. slipknot's had several, still a couple. i mean, john davis is pretty damn unique. but talent wise, corey blows him away. lemmy pulled it off, but he is god so that kinda helped.@@metalheadjake3339
korn was even radio friendly, a bit... pretty sure they even got some play around here in tennessee back in the day, but never slipknot. definitely way more mtv attention, when they still played videos. and they've still done way more. i'll always love 90's korn, and it did kinda kick it off, but not anywhere near slipknot.@@metalheadjake3339
i don't see either as numetal really at all. maybe more early slipknot. but deftones, they're just kinda their own beautiful thing. and never had the "nu metal" sound. i don't remember anybody singing anything like chino in a heavy band before them. but a LOT after... corey being one. but that's why i hate labels, everybody wants to put things in a specific box, when it doesn't really matter. neither one will fit in a single box anyway, they're inspired by others, but both their own unique thing... or at least were til people started copying that. he brings up linkin park doing the more melodic thing, but deftones were definitely around before them. and no offense to chester, but he was no chino. damn good vocalist, but chino is just badass.
When Slipknot played “The Heretic Anthem” on the Conan O’Brien Show Max Weinberg the drummer for The Conan O’Brien Show and also the drummer for Bruce Springsteen. Ran back home and told his son “Jay Weinberg” you have to check out this band that played on the show tonight. And now that kid is now playing in Slipknot. Let that sink in
I'm sure Jay was already a fan and was there..he said that and there are photo of him in Mask with Corey..
@@drspritz the pic is of jay and his dad with jim root from a show his dad took him to after they were on conan. jay was wearing a corey mask.
I was about 16 or 17 and waited up all night with a VHS tape ready to record it. So one I day I went to go pop it in for some friends and my older brother recorded over it with Skinemax softcore crap. Thing was that we had plenty of other blank tapes and I had it qued up to record more stuff but he rewinded it and taped over it. He said he accidentally ordered it while trying to figure out the password and figured he might as well record it if he was going to get in trouble for it. I'd do anything to have that recoding back again. Only copy online is super compressed and looks & sounds awful!
But sadly, the news was shocking, he was actually fired this year. And believe it or not it was true, even Slipknot post it last month.
I can pretend I’ve outgrown Slipknot all I want, but as soon as they announce a tour or an album I get more excited than a boomer at a Beatles show.
Dude same here and I just roll with it lol
Anyone else getting anxious for their follow up to WANYK?
@@alc3062 me!! cant wait
@@alc3062 I just hope it doesn't have any dumbass interludes or weird long interlude songs like my pain... because everything else off that album was pretty fucking good.
@@SoloDoloToker I can agree with that I'm just not as aggressive with it since like we agree the album was nice af.
As a drummer myself, I've been saying for years that Joey influenced a whole generation of drummer's.
Would have never picked up the sticks if not for Joey and Travis Barker
@@jakewerner4493
I started way before then myself. Most of my family are musicians, so I fell into it. Playing around with a lot of old school rock stuff, but slipknot is what got me into the heavy stuff. Before then I was pretty much consumed with prog..
Iron cobra sales for sure
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Definitely what I prefer myself, but DW has some good gear, I also like the direct drive stuff from axis too.
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As for kits, I prefer Tama myself, although Mapex is a close second. Being a huge fan of guys like Mike Portnoy, or Jason Bitner, Tama is what I like thanks to guys like that.
I definitely remember the public’s obsession with their identities. Remember the music video for Before I Forget? Having their masks off but still not showing their faces? Genius. They knew exactly what they were doing.
“They were never really a Nu-Metal band”
Thank Christ for somebody agreeing with me on this for once. I hate when they get lumped into the whole “Nu-Metal” thing. Same with early Chimaira.
Spit it out is not nu metal ?
Their S/T album is definitely nu-metal, but I'd argue subsequent albums aren't. A similar thing happens with Deftones because they started gaining traction around the same time
I don't even know what to classify Chimaira as. Maybe 00s metalcore? I just don't know what they are. What I DO know is that they were badass and not mentioned nearly enough with some of the "greats" of that era. Same goes for Unearth.
@@kennyhouser3467 Chimaira was kind of a monster of different attributes during the Pass out of Existence era (much like their name suggests).
There are quite a few bouncy riffs throughout the album. But there was definitely prominent Death Metal and Groove Metal influence. Industrial thrown in there as well.
It’s really one of the most UN-Nu Metal albums I can imagine. There’s definitely KoRn influence in it, but it’s quite shadowed by the Hardcore, Deicide, Morbid Angel, Fear Factory, Slipknot influence.
@@kennyhouser3467 groove metal
MAINSTREAM BLAST BEATS BABY
This is the way
Mainstream Drop A tuning
new shirt?
Gotta throw SOAD in that convo
Aka, metalcore
“I’m aware mushroomhead did masks first.”
GWAR HAS ENTERED THE CHAT
Mr. Bungle
Slipknot took it from Mr Bungle.
Joey Even said that Mr Bungle was his favorite band.
Gwar did it all, still does. IMO the most underrated band around.
@@Richtigash what about The Residents? who have been doing it since the 70s.
Yeah except Gwar really, really sucks lol
“They were never nu metal. They’ve done so much for extreme metal”
Be careful you just triggered the entirety of reddit
Only the idiots who don't know metal.
Who cares what genre they are as long as they’re good. And Slipknot are great.
Yeah they marked me for poser in one of the subreddits couse i said Sliknot is metal
@@korpelankimmo7188 wtf. Fuck that elitist shit 😂
@@ChristopherJames1993 you can call it soft metal.
Back in the day when Slipknot debuted they were brutal AF and Iowa was even more brutal. Will always miss those early shows with Joey & Paul. Kids today will never understand how ground breaking they were. Can't even get into the newest album.
I felt like the newest album was a great return to their roots. At least half of it.
Another thing that Joey did that a lot of people don’t notice is that he changed his drum parts slightly from verse to verse, where most drummers would play the same part. That kept things interesting.
Absolutely true, Joey's drumming is what I often refer to as the "heartbeat" of the song. Listening to his drum parts driving the rest of the song is amazing.
that's how good catchy songwriting should be. Verses should be distinct from each other
THIS IS THE GOSPEL ...so true..i remember the drum fills more than the lyrics of most of the songs
The human sloppiness and raw sound is what made the "Iowa" sound, one of the most important albums in my life. The mixing is just unpolished with overdriven guitar gain, blast beats and sound of Corey screaming his lungs out. And he is one hell of a lyricist. Iowa is a masterpiece.
Great video, Finn. And Iowa is turning 20 in the next couple of days
A lot of people strangely still don't know that Iowa was recorded without a click/metronome. Hence songs pushing and pulling and not sounding "perfect."
@@kennyhouser3467 and that's rock n fuckin roll right there, or how it should be!
Exactly
Idk where you get the sloppy und unpolished part from tbh, the record sounds great and very professional to me. Much more polished than the self-titled.
Iowa is easily one of the top 5 metal albums of all time. It’s just so raw and real. There was this atmosphere that they captured on that album that can’t be produced or copied or done intentionally. It’s a masterpiece.
I like that you mention Joey's "sloppy" drumming. Flo Mounier from Cryptopsy's drumming on None So Vile also sounds "sloppy" because he isn't using triggers, nor quantization. He tries to blast beat as fast as he possibly can and you can hear the snare hits get softer. I honestly think that missing this more human aspect of metal music is why I don't care for a lot of modern metal. It's just too overproduced and robotic to me.
DAMN RIGHT -- let me hear humans play instruments, stretching to the absolute limits of their abilities.
Agreed.. most musicians today just dont have the time it takes to be putting in all that work like their forefathers did ,theyre busy editing their vlogs
I've been playing drums for 17 years or so and I can attest to Joey's influence on most all metal drummers. I actually learned how to play drums from Metallica's Black album, then I learned how to play System of a Down's Toxicity album. But when I was introduced to Slipknot it just shattered my perception of what playing drums even was. I had to get a double bass pedal right away and I've never looked back. I play drums like Joey to this day (fast double bass, extra snare hits snuck in everywhere, etc...)
I even have a 7X13 TAMA Slp snare that I throw on the kit when I want to be extra Slipknot for a day bc it sounds just like his.
I am pretty new to metal, and I actually prefer a lot of slower drumming styles as I learn drumming at the ripe old age of 38…I actually like a lot of soul and funk music compared to metal, but as I explore this genre, nothing has made me want to play metal music more than the pure chaos and energy of this band. I mean, wow. I was a teenager when slipknot were first in the mainstream and I sidestepped them completely. I absolutely love that song before I forget. I recently posted on a lamb of god video and got tons of kind people offering recommendations and thoughts on what I should listen to. Any opinions, advice on slipknot would be much appreciated. This video, and this guy, loving exploring the music. Thank you! *bows*
Well it's a good thing you didn't start with st anger lol
Joey actually played a big role in a lot of the guitar riff writing in the early days!
I read that Joey wrote a lot of the riffs
@@erickmazur807 Yeah that video of him jamming Sic on acoustic is a classic :D
Check out his guitar work in murderdolls. Catchy horror rock.
Murderdoll ultra underrated wooooooaw
@@User-54631 Wednesday 13 actually wrote all the murderdolls songs on their first album
I’ve been saying this for a while now, and have commented it on countless other Joey videos, but I think Joey is easily in the S tier of influential musicians, period. Not just metal, and not just drummers. Pretty much EVERYONE knows and likes Joey, especially the folks my age who were teenagers during the slipknot heyday circa the new millennium. Even if you didn’t like slipknot, you knew they had a kickass drummer. As you said in this video, Joey truly influenced an entire generation of kids to buy double bass pedals and go start a metal band.
I think you’d be hard pressed to find any musician across any genre who had a greater influence on an entire generation. Maybe Hendrix, Van Halen or Cobain with guitar. I can’t think of anyone on bass, not even flea, who went on to inspire an entire generation of kids to infiltrate and reinforce an entire genre.
Whatever way you slice it, Joey is inarguably, objectively a pantheon level, S tier influential musician. The fact that his slipknot replacement, the son of another great drummer in Max goddamn Weinberg, was actually more influenced by Joey than his own father, says it all right there. All the kids born in the 80’s who went on to start drumming in metal bands were influenced by Joey in either a small or a huge way. It’s that cut and dry.
Well said!
Yeah dude my Dad is a musician but is old and doesn't really venture to different genres, especially metal but even he knew Joey and knew he was a great drummer and it had nothing to do with me.
He transcended just icon into musical hero ala Van Halen, Hendrix, Cobain. The only drummers I can think of that might have inspired more people to play are Bonham and Buddy Rich. And that's not bad company to be in.
@@theblackestvoid I would argue Joey is way more influential than Buddy Rich. Rich was big for ppl who already were drummers, and then found out about him after having already picked up the sticks; but to my knowledge he didn’t make kids want to drum-he didn’t turn non-musicians into aspiring/professional musicians the way Joey did. All due respect to Buddy, he’s an icon and a legend, obviously. Truly one of the all time greats. I just think when discussing the realm of influence, Joey honestly kind of blows him out of the water.
Buddy’s drumming isn’t all over/responsible for the drumming of the decades that succeeded him the way Joey’s is. Bonham was super influential, maybe slightly more than Joey, maybe slightly less. I’d put them in the same tier for the sake of safety. Joey is as influential as any drummer you can name, if not more influential. And I’m not even a slipknot super fan or anything, I’m just being objective and have heavily been a part of the rock/alternative/metal world for the last 15-20 years. My father is also a professional drummer, in a pretty successful metal band. They are still touring 30-40 years after their first records.
@@WinedandDined27 Damn. That's a fair argument. I still think Bonham is the most influential specifically because pretty much every famous rock drummer ever cites him as why they played and their musical hero and he transcended the genre too and he's still influencing people. But I never thought about it that way with Buddy. It's true, Buddy is influential to everyone who drums but only after they start drumming. And even if most drummers end up influenced by Buddy, it's after they drum.
Now you've convinced me that Joey is the most influential drummer since Bonham. I was saying past 25 years since Dave Grohl (and he is still influential and influencing people ie when people mention a drummer their go to is Dave Grohl) but Joey influenced drumming more and kids to play music more than he did. Joey was the last drum hero.
When i started drumming David from Korn and Dave Lombardo from Slayer were my influences but i can definitely say that when i heard Slipknot first album i was floored and yes he became an influence. I agree with this statement well said. Joey will always be a cornerstone of metal drumming as Bonham was for Hard Rock and Krupa and Rich were for Jazz. RIP Joey.
Hearing double kicks for the first time when I was younger literally blew my mind! Life changing! Slipknot was definitely a huge part of that.
Same . But One by Metallica was my first double kick . Like most people haha
I love Slipknot. IDGAF what metalhead elitists say. I 100% agree with what you stated in the video.
Yea ok 😂
As a 25 year-old, I can attest to the fact that Slipknot was a MASSIVE influence on my generation of metal fans.
I never imagined i would still be listening to Slipknot 20 years later and more importantly i am susrprised at how good their music still is today, when most bands basically became a parody of themselves.
Jesus Christ don’t say that you’ll jinx the band and they’ll break up.
Sucks to be you .
"when most bands basically became a parody of themselves." You just described Slipknot nowadays.
took me 20 years before i really ever listened to them , never knew them till ozzfest , 2000 i think but soon as i seen them i just wondered off in crowd never reallt listened because i seen the outfits and thought how stupid, !last year i heard cory taylor do snuff live , on youtube wehich just fell in the loop or woulkd never knew, told buddy i liked the guy and he said thought you didnt like slipknot, i dont ! didnt anyway. but yea 20 year later got a new fan i guess
Absolutely agreed.
Joey helped Roadrunner do a 'best of' Deicide compilation CD years ago, including all the notes and stuff. You're right, they're definitely not death metal tourists, it runs deep within their music. For people my age (a teenager when Iowa and later, Vol. 3 came out) Slipknot were **the** gateway band into death metal, black metal and grindcore.
People like myself and countless others had been flirting with metal, like Korn and Deftones but Slipknot were on another level. Hearing double bass and blast beats blew me away and I wanted more -- there had to be other bands out there I just had to discover them.
At the time I was an avid user of a web forum dedicated to Slipknot which had members a few years older than me and they were the guys that introduced me to a whole new side of metal I'd never heard before -- everything from Zao, Shadows Fall and Atreyu to Lamb of God to Carcass, Darkthrone and Emperor. And the rest, as they say, is history 😂
I LOVE slipknot so much, it holds such an important place in my heart, probably because my dad absolutely LOVED KoRn, Pantera, Metallica etc.
The first slipknot album hits harder than most Deathmetal albums
True
I never understood why death metal has this preference for shitty production that makes everything sound so much less heavy
I disagree tbh but damn that first album always make me bust one
@@foosdontcry 😂😂
@@Witheld nobody knows or cares about mfkr, there's not a good song on there, it's not really spliknot 😂
15:30 Man, joey is only "loose" compared to computers. Dude is studio-player quality. That solo kick run is what an actual sick drummer who's not being quantized sounds like. Joey's linear fills around the kit were always insanely clean and had remarkably consistent velocity compared to anyone else playing that fast.
To be clear I'm not criticizing Finn's take. I do have some bad news for anyone who's so used to heavily processed drums that they think an unprocessed Joey is "sloppy" - if they knew what their favorite metal drummers actually sounded like before any post-production magic they'd probably cry
Exactly
everything being quantized these days definitely hurts my enjoyment of music. I dont like music to be perfectly sterile
The Rick Beato Before I Forget episode just released absolute shows this when he solos the drums and he talks about it.
At 15:40 that fill is actually a direct homage to Slayer’s Dave Lombardo’s fill in Angel of Death.
I love how you focus on the importance of the drummer. Legitimately, drumming in metal is missing that human element and sounds exactly like what it is “processed”. People who called Joey or The Rev sloppy are out of touch with the purity of unprocessed drum tracks
Slipknot choruses are extremely catchy. Their songs have familiar and great structure. And many of their songs are just great! A great band indeed. People shit on them mostly because they're famous
I know what you are saying is controversial about them bringing extreme metal to the masses, but it’s honestly totally true. Slipknot had a very heavy edge in their early days.
Many people never talk about that first hiatus as well. They dropped two of the heaviest albums and then disappeared lol
Also Death Note opening 2 sounds like Slipknot
@@dekaiaverett3265 No. Death Note Opening 2 sounds like Pluck by System of a Down, from their first album.
@@dekaiaverett3265 I really can't see slipknot influences in death note op 2. Slipknot have heavy and groove riffs, What's up people's riff is fast. And the corey's guttural is more open.
"throwing a drum set down a flight of stairs, but in a cool way" has to be the most accurate and hilarious thing I've heard.😂
Supreme analogy lol i actually laughed out loud when he said that
Loved the shoutout to The Rev. Great video as always
Dude, I can’t imagine how you sincerely have the vast, myriad of musical knowledge that you seem to have, seemingly across all genres.
I’m not doubting the fact, at all tho. More so, giving you a nod for possessing it. It’s very impressive!
"the perfection is actually boring" hell yeah damn right
Drummer John Bonham was perfect imperfection aswell, no wonder I listen both Led Zepplin and Slipknot.
Linkin Park and Slipknot are essentially the parents for all modern metal. There's influences elsewhere but without those two bands together, nothing we know would've happened.
I never thought about it that way but you have a strong point. Their influence is everywhere
Never got Linkin Park, not now, not ever. Saw them on Ozzfest with Slipknot and I just don't get it.
Linkin Park is not influential to metal, because they're not even close to metal.
@@blackphillip8486 congrats on your inability to understand one of the most influential bands of all time?
@@boyman7823 they’re definitely nu metal and they inspired an entire generation.
This video is probably your best one , so much work behind these informations . Love it ! The gorguts part wtf 🕵️♂️
RIP Joey… I was at Download the year Lars took a funny turn and Joey played drums for Metallica. It was the most vicious and energetic Metallica had sounded for years. Soooo good, and Joey looked shell shocked at the end. Amazing memory to have.
Psychosocial gets shit on a lot but that breakdown was definitely influential.
That whole album is way to under rated. If it had any other bands name on it, it would of been seen in a different light
Psychosocial is a great song, it's just overplayed
@@kainslance The title track 'All Hope Is Gone' is harder than most dedicated extreme metal bands out there.
@Sam Who says that? It's one of their best imo. Their two most recent albums are definitely their weakest imo. Other than the odd song here or there I don't enjoy them much at all. Most of AHIG is great.
@@kainslance it has the best production of all of their albums to date. joey’s drums were just furious and sliced through everything
I'll never forget the first time I heard "sic." I didn't know music could be that brutal. I felt naughty for listening to it.
I remember listening to it and thinking that music is never going to get much harder and that if anything, going forward, heavy music would get softer in response. I think I would have been a freshman in high school. I really don't think I've been proven wrong honestly. I've heard stuff that probably is a little harder than Slipknot but honestly it just feels like it's equally as hard but in different ways at best.
@@CeeJayThe13th I also think a big part of it is Coreys pure emotion coming out of his screams. I think there are just not many vocalists who could make it sound so raw and emotional at the same time without feeling like it all sounds similar. I don't know, to me his screams always sound different in a specific way, it's like every song is truly a different story.
BRUH ...image a poor black kid in 6th grade getting the 1st ALBUM from the mail order Columbia house out of a music mag..BRUHHHHHH!!!!!! I THOUGHT THIS SOUNDS LIKE THE RAGE OF THE BLACK EXPERIENCE IN THE USA...I said ..with groove like that ...THEY GOTTA BE BLACK...lol..shotout to the masks...lol
@@maticlee8535 "where's Chuck D when your need him?"
Beautiful video. I'm very grateful you made this!
I don't know if you get credit for this but you truly love all forums of metal and commit to understanding every facet of each band you do a video on regardless of your feelings on said band you truly show others the beauty of all forums of metal you're a legend
I always aligned Slipknot with bands like Pantera. Metal that was able to grab people with hooks and heavy riffs.
Also sepultura had that tribal drum/riff patterns
@@pirufihho yeah 100% agree. Although old Sepultura I associate with early death metal. Later they were definitely Slipknkt like. A smaller band I put there too is Chimera
@@ChaosandComics Man I miss Chimaira.
Totally correct premise imo. They are an extreme metal band who worked out how to have a career- and that is why they were hated by the Death/Grind scene at the time.
Yeah all these underground extreme metal fans are jealous because they want their favorite band to be famous, without realizing that, at that point, they're also now mainstream. If an underground band is to remain extreme then it has to remain playing in basements and clubs for the rest of its life.
Your take on Joey’s drumming is spot on. He was pure chaos behind the kit and his performances were unadulterated. Whereas now, everything is sample augmented/replaced and snapped to grid…
You’re so right about everything in this video. Most death metal dudes who listened to this in 2000 when they were teenagers (people such as myself) are scared to admit now how influential Slipknot is/was.
We definitely lost someone special with Joey. His playing was always just so mesmerising and so much fun to watch.
R.I.P Joey. Slipknot drummer
Murderdolls guitarist
I'm glad you mentioned The Rev as the other influential drummer.
i appreciate this video very much. i I still love this band as a 36 year old, and i was introduced to them by a friend of mine (who has since passed) at a 6th grade sleepover. we were all showing off cool and new bands we'd discovered, and my dude Josh pulled out the self-titled Slipknot CD and played it on the boom-box we were surrounding. and i was completely stunned by how scary and technical it was.
When you mentioned their death metal roots I instantly thought of Joey, Paul, and Mick being in death metal bands before Slipknot. You said everything I’ve always thought!
Sighhhhhh Joey. What a legend. He’ll be looked back on 60 years from now next to guys like Buddy Rich and Neil Peart. Sounds silly sure but just ask Stewart Copeland. Fast, intense, groovy, catchy, inventive. What an absolute pleasure Joey is to watch play. RIP #1. Everybody loves you, if only you realized it.
Buddy Rich is the 🐐. That one drum solo on UA-cam when he sweats all over his kit.. man what a solo
He was great but definitely not on the same level as Buddy
Lol, not a chance. Joey Jordison is... a drummer. that's it. By no means one of the GOAT. Still better than Lars though. Just a competent metal drummer who played in a once popular band, which isn't a bad thing of course.
@@dannyboy6106 Ginger Baker had a better left foot.
I still remember in 99' walking through the carpark on my way to school and my boy Mason comes running over with his discman (fk yeah) and says "fuck me dude you gotta hear this shit"......instantly hooked.
The intro on that first track 🤯
"how lars looked, but joey was actually playing that" dude, spot on lol
I don't like Slipknot. I never have. The more I learn about them the more I respect what they did. Great video.
Their latest album is phenomenal.
i know quite a few metalheads my age (early 30's) that don't. they don't sound quite "right", something deranged about them. frantic. i grew up with them, and love seeing them live, but it's that weird bit that's both grind-core levels of aggression combined with heartfelt feelings in memorable riffs that sound out of place for most "hard-core" metalheads. i like my grind, my death, but sometimes, i like to mix things up.
sometimes, i listen to them at work. most people look at me funny when i say it's soothing. it's basically angst put on record so that you can get rid of yours. maybe it's too sensitive to some people. that said, no debate on me liking grind and death by discovering them when i was 13. i just went looking for harder and faster, but i keep coming back to them because they know their shit. what they do is damn good. not to everyone's tastes, but they know what they're doing
@@Danielfucks69 It has a few bright spots but front to back I think it's quite weak compared to their older stuff tbh. Better than The Grey Chapter at least.
Man, The Rev and Joey were some of the greatest drummers to exist. I wish Jimmy was still alive to grace us with his creativity.
This video was so validating for my hardcore Slipknot love
To me Slipknot is one of the bands that got me into extremer styles. I kinda back paddled because of them, finding Burn my Eyes by Machine Head, Demanufacture by Fear Factory, Death, Carcass, and many more. I had a bunch of friends back then who only listened to Black and Death metal, and told them about Iowa. They weren't interested at the time, but I was being sneaky and put it on and they immediately loved it. So funny when they noticed it was Slipknot.
Majority of music was written by Joey and Paul, easily the 2 most important members of Slipknot
Mick, Joey and Paul were the metalheads of the band. Mick is all we got now, and I got a feeling that Mick is going to be the next one to quit or be fired.
Slipknot died after all hope is gone
@@BlackAceKisachi Slipknot never came close to dying, you just can't except the fact they've given 100% every day since 2008. WANYK and .5 were 2 of their best records, full of emotion, pain, killer riffs, and intense lyrical content. Also keep in mind, Mick isn't the only one, Jim is the one who writes almost all of the guitar riffs, he has for a long time now, since all hope is gone. He gives his arrangements to the band for Corey, Clown and maybe Mick to change around the riffs and composition, and then Mick adds his own kick to everything, like droning guitars or heavy backing riffs. Slipknot took an immense toll after All Hope Is Gone, which the band emphasizes in their google play interview as being their most disconnected album, with really no emotional impact or care for the album. Clown specifically said he regrets the album immensely because they worked so hard on their first 3 albums, yet did All Hope is Gone which they hated, and it became their number #1 hit still by today. I don't think anyone of them are going to leave, no one from the band after 1999 has ever actually left, they were either kicked, or passed. I can tell Mick still loves the band, I think everyone does.
Excuse me sir......Shawn (Clown)
Heretic Anthem is one of the best double bass tracks of all time.
Orphan is Heretic Anthem pt 2
the little kid Joey saw as his successor put out a cover that reminds me how brutal this song is ua-cam.com/video/_lBA7GZskH0/v-deo.html
Everyone lost their shit when they heard 'The Heretic Anthem' yet nobody talks about 'Vendetta' which has much longer and more prominent double-bass sections.
Angel of Death is the most influential fast double bass track of all time.
I have to say this is one of the best in depth video’s I’ve ever seen!!!!!!
Slipknot definitely was my gateway drug into death and black metal, great video!
I went to a Mushroomhead concert without hearing anything from them. I wasn’t impressed. But then a relatively still unknown Killswitch Engage opened for them, whom I’d also not heard yet, dressed as regular dudes and completely killed it. As it turned out I became a Killswitch fan and Mushroomhead just didn’t do anything for me. When Slipknot came out I was instantly hooked. The aesthetics helped but the music was so good and fresh and that’s what really sold me. I went and told all my friends about them and then they played Ozzfest and all my friends were on board after that. Doesn’t matter who did it first, it’s all about who does it best!
I first heard and saw Killswitch Engage when they opened for Slipknot. If it wasn't Slipknot headlining, Killswitch would have stole the show. Everyone went crazy when they played The End Of Heartache.
Killswitch is amazing and dont get enough credit
Don’t say “aEsThEtIcS”
I want to believe im too old for Slipknot, but whenever I hear a slipknot song I still think "damn this is nice".
Also that DJ/keyboard dude did a LOT for the slipknot sound
Nobody is ever too old for Slipknot.
Why would you ever think you're too old to listen to a metal band lol if you enjoy their music then listen to it 🤷♂️
Sid. That's why I'm surprised he wasn't talked about in this video.
DJ and keyboard are to different members. Sid and Craig respectively. Though they both helped out immensely with giving slipknot their own sound.
This video somehow made me appreciate slipknot more than I already did. This video genuinely made me happy in a way I can't really explain.
That "sloppiness" is a specific rudiment in drumming. Fucking awesome.
Slipknot got me into this kind of music. That’s is why I cite them as my favorite band if I have to pick one. I love them and they opened my eyes to a whole world of music that I would not have know about and honestly changed my life
Same here. I almost exclusively listen to black metal now after hearing Slipknot 5 years ago!
Great video. It’s crazy how big they are for how heavy they are
Yes, they introduced extreme metal to the masses. Metallers often hate them, but even the vocalist for Kreator said he likes nu-metal since it is a gateway to extreme metal and Slipknot pretty much did that than any other nu-metal band at the time.
Their earlier work is nu-metal since they have simple structure songs and lack guitar solos. Actually Jim and Mick proably wanted to add guitar solos to the songs on their s/t and Iowa albums but that was cut out by the producer Ross Robinson. This explains why on their third and then on, they started adding guitar solos with a different producer.
I had no idea Joey died this year, until I seen your video. It is a shame he passed away but at least a lot of people love what he did for Slipknot.
The other producer was nine other than Rick Rubin. So the Grammys memorial didn't even feature Joey and focused hella on Taylor Hawkins death which over shadowed his. Which is a damn shame because Joey did win a Grammy for All Hope Is Gone.
I will always love those first two official albums. They both still get regular play here. Elitists can just go ahead and continue being miserable.
To be honest, younger "elitists" actually really love slipknot for the most part. It's the older crowd that typically has the issue lol
I still think vol 3 is one of the great rock albums of the century. It's an absolute album, feels like it has a story with a beginning and end.
I’m a sucker for their first two albums too. It’s the musical equivalent of method acting in the movies. They loved their act and it reflected in their sound. They lost that when Vol 3 came out. They became personalities starting with Corey.
"Slipknot really wasn't a nu metal band"
Thank you! I've been waiting 23 years for someone else to say this!
Sure, that’s why they have a DJ and a keyboardist/sampler in the band. They are nu metal whether you like it or not.
@@Rountree1985 didnt know having a DJ automatically makes you nu metal
The Joey, Rev, Lombardo connection is spot on. All 3 play with a degree of chaos that makes them so much more compelling.
Great vid!! 🤘
Finn, speaking of ripping off nu metal bands, I feel like Static X and Spineshank get ripped off a bunch and bands today probably don't even realize it. They combined all the electronic elements that you see Crown The Empire and others doing a lot today.
I miss spineshank
I like all the bands you just mentioned :3
Static-x one of my favoirtes but There was a good bit of industrial rock and metal bands before them like Rammstein, Godflesh, Fear Factory, NIN, KMFDM, a good bit was already making a impact even before Static-X. The industrial metal scene was booming in the 90's. 3 Teeth is pretty much keeping it alive, Author And Punisher is also putting a unique spin on it.
@@superstarthomas A&P is one of my favorite niche listens, glad you mentioned him.
Early Slipknot instilled something in a generation that later generations of heavy music bands and fans simply don’t get: Intensity and intent in everything a band does is more important than showing off your musicianship and sounding perfectly robotic on recordings.
Well, musicianship is more important, it's music after all that you're listening to. Great musicianship is what makes an artist interesting in the first place.
Really great analysis, thoughtful and thorough, thank you
I love watching these videos of you explaining how bands broke through into the mainstream and solidified themselves as legends. You understand how bands effect(ed) people and you go into so much detail about how bands change typical sounding metal/punk to make it sound more appealing to the “mainstream”. I could watch you talk about how bands became superstars all day. And sometimes I do😂
Rip JOEY 🤘❤️
You kinda brought up an unpopular opinion I’ve been defending for years : slipknot anticipated deathcore especially with Iowa
Honestly tho like listen to to songs like The Shape and New Abortion of Iowa and tell me those songs didn't have some heavy influence
Very much appreciate you speaking the truth on bringing human feel to music, it's actually SO important, and it's a part of why a lot of music sounds so boring these days. Copy/pasting the notes across the grid, or just throwing notes across a piano roll, or the way autotune has become a standard, it all takes away from the organic essence. They did a study on digital music today compared to analogue music, and they found that people were more likely to remember the music from before the digital age. I'm pretty sure they said it's because digitalizing the music flattens all the random notches and splatters of resonance that our brains naturally pick up on as original and unique. And yeah, that was one study, and it sounds like just a "boomer" thing - but it's more than that when we can hear it ourselves.
Joey and the rev were the reason I bought my first drum set and double bass 🙏🏻
Joey's drumming was definitely an eye opener for me growing up!! I remember listening to them when I was about 11 years old and being completely blown away by the double kick parts. Thinking about it now, it's pretty amazing that these extreme metal songs got to me so early in my life, thanks to bands like Slipknot, System of a Down, Avenged Sevenfold and others :-)
Finn thank you for giving slipknot their flowers. Definitely hit the nail on the head consistently through this video. Much love bro.
love the respect for Joey man ❤️❤️❤️
its been a couple months since ive watched ur videos and its like im getting nostalgia lol, everytime i watched ur videos it was at night and eating the samething it was some kind of sandwhich lol. Love ur vids
Lol I love the preemptive strike for the “bUt WhAt AbOuT mUsHrOoMhEaD!” crowd
And Gwar
I hardly listen to Slipknot anymore, but they’re the whole reason why I love extreme music to this day. If it weren’t for Slipknot, I never would’ve found Devourment, Mortician, Disgorge, Inveracity, Defeated Sanity, Disavowed, and so many other bands. And I’m sure that many others could say the same.
Inveracity? You are a scholar of death metal and a gentleman.
i got into metal through deftones so i never got that far but this is definitely a point. they are very extreme for a radio band.
I bought my first drumset with a double bass and everything because i have always wanted one. I got home and heard that Joey Jordison No 1. Passed away. I want to fucking embody this kit like he would. RIP
This is truly one of the best videos that are made about Slipknot, but because everything which is said here is so true to the core.
I definitely always just wrote of Slipknot as “poseur shit” or something equally pretentious. Thanks for showing me that these dudes were actually rad as fuck.
Posers are ones that copy others. Slipknot led the way and didn't copy anybody!
Definitely not were but most assuredly still are.
@useD raW That's what I said.
@@spellman007 What about them?
@@spellman007 Uh, they have nothing in common with Kiss.
I played mostly softer rock stuff, and my drumming style was more jazz than anything else, and I still bought a double-bass pedal because of Slipknot.
Rest In Peace to Joey, jimmy and vinnie who were legends at drumming and it does suck that they fall of at the face of the earth
As a drummer myself, Joey was a very early and very significant influence when I first started really getting into metal drumming, only second to The Rev from A7X (also RIP to him). I had Joey's signature sticks, tried to purchase his signature snare and signature black Meinl cymbals, dressed up as him for Halloween one year, and there was even a point where my late friend Connor (who was also a drummer) and I tried to emulate his appearance, with the long black hair and the big forehead. The legacy and impact that he left on every metal drummer to follow him, and the respect that he earned from the entire drumming community, is completely deserved and can't be understated.
But I think to say that there were no drummers with as much of an impact on double bass playing from the period between Lars' work on "One" and Slipknot's first album is a bit underinformed, because some of the names I'm about to mention were surely influences on Joey himself. Off the top of my head, some dudes who come to mind are: Raymond Herrera (Fear Factory), Tomas Haake (Meshuggah), Mike Portnoy (Dream Theatre), Dave Lombardo (Slayer), Danny Carey (Tool); I know there's definitely others, but those are the first ones I could think of who were known for their double bass work at the time. I'd even venture to say that especially Lombardo and Haake had a very obvious influence on Joey's playing. Let's discuss.
Yup, I definitely remember having multiple "I don't need no double bass" conversations back in the high school days🤣🤣🗝️🗝️🗝️🗝️🗝️
i really like the raw sound production of the first two album, feels very authentic.
Corey's neck and vocal definitely helps it lol
great video man
On a side note, your skin is GLOWING here my dude
Also I've probable never heard a youtuber mention Gorguts and for some reason it made me absurdly happy.
I worked a slipknot show in 2004/2005 as a stagehand and when we were loading out I had to push some cases past the catering room and every time I walked past I was trying SO HARD to see if I could pick out and members of slipknot without their masks. I remember thinking “that dude HAS to be Mick…yeah that’s DEFINITELY Mick” 🤣 it was probably just some fuckin tech I hadn’t seen because I was on back line lol. Oh and on another note, most people don’t know that Iowa was actually recorded on tape! No editing, no nudging shit around, no copy and paste and it shows.
Love to see you oldheads in the comments, more love to you guys than anyone else
Tormented dude I’m like 10 years younger than Finn🤣 I was 12 when the self titled came out LOL but sure, I guess I’m an old dude to all the a whole bunch of people now!
The part where you spoke about Joey’s drum being considered sloppy- it remind me of how with jazz you aren’t right on the beat, but that’s how you get the feeling.
Also reminds me of J Dilla’s beats, and how he wasn’t on the beat all the time and that’s why his music was so good.
So basically- you’re on the nose about making it sound hum and and not robotic.
100%
I thought of J Dilla too- how he was ‘humanizing’ his MPC by playing the beats ‘live’ instead of just looping them and quantizing them.
I've been watching forever. I finally figured out why your channel has huge appeal. You are me if I could gather my thoughts collectively about all the music that I listen too. Not very often do I disagree with you . I do wish I could recall my memories on demand but sadly drugs in a past life and diabetes have me almost frazzled. Keep up the amazing work.
Thanks for putting this out and saying what I've been thinking for a long time man. I can't listen to anything after Iowa because they leaned way too far into the Stone Sour thing and away from the death metal influence for me. It's cool hear to hear comparisons to Gorguts made, another one of my favorite bands.