Ipad Screen Protectors and pencil jitter wobble wiggly lines - ESR VS BELLEMOND
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- Опубліковано 15 лип 2024
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bare screen 1% wobble.
tempered glass 80% wobble.
matte film 10% wobble.
00:00 intro
01:03 Bare screen
01:40 Installing ESR Tempered Glass
02:07 Drawing on ESR Tempered Glass
03:22 Installing Bellemond Matte Film
03:49 Drawing on Bellemond Matte Film
06:44 Discussing Bellemond Matte Film's issues
Digital pens and pencils on many tablets sometimes show a jitter or wobble, a very small wiggle, when making diagonal lines. Wacom and Apple are two of the best at reducing it when using default hardware. Adding any screen protector exacerbates the wobble.
Solutions:
Don't use tempered glass.
Use procreate streamline and stabilization.
If you don't want matte, find a PET film protector that isn't matte.
Don't use any screen protector at all.
Hardware used:
Ipad Pro 2021 M1 12.9" and apple pencil 2
Head shots filmed with Lumix GF3
Lines filmed in 4k with OnePlus6
Audio-Technica AT 2020USB - Наука та технологія
I feel like I've watched every video on iPad screen protectors but yours is by far the informative and detailed. You've answered all my questions on the pencil wobble, visual quality and even included your conclusions in the description. Amazing!!! Thank you so much :)
you're so kind! thank you!
Right!!!!!
So true
I agree with you... I spent hours seeing all the videos but this is so precise and the test are perfect, really great!!
Ok but this review is underrated. Thank you for doing this comparison.
Honest and more informative than many others. You should keep uploading!
This has been the most helpful review of all u talk about the quality which noy a lot of reviews do and also about lines, thank you so much : ))
This is just the video I was looking for. Very informative and I like the way you talk to the camera, very natural. Thank you so much.
Thanks for this video! Watched a bunch of other ones and none spoke about these jitters. Very informative!
Thank you for your review. I watched about 12 videos to finally get my answer here with you. I purchased the Bellemond Matte Kent!
Best video on this topic by far! Thank you!!
Thanks for the review! Exactly what I've been looking for and this has helped a lot.
This is hands down the best comparison I've seen, clear and to the point! I just bought my first iPad (a Pro 9.7, older I know, but I want to start cheap 😂) and haven't been sure about bothering with a protector. I think I'll definitely keep it bare for now and just be extra careful about how I treat it!
Fantastic video, thank you. Love your charisma. Keep it up
Glad I came across this video. I've been looking for something to protect my screen, but I also didn't want to damage my pencil tip with those paper-like films.
I'm surprised you only have 77 subscribers, I thought you had 20k+ with the quality of this video
The best screen protector video. Thank you!
Simple but effective review. Awesome!
MOST PRACTICAL USEFUL COMPARISON !!
super helpful and informative! thank you
Just the information I needed
This is the most spot on review of drawing with a tempered glass of all the reviews on UA-cam. Almost all of them are beating around the bush and in the end trying to push an affiliate product.
You seem as a very nice and positive person :) Thanks for the video!
This video is amazing, thank you!
Thank you for this amazing content.
Really great review. Thank you.
Thank you for making this!
Amazing video !!!! Exactly what i was looking for !! Thank you.
got my 2022 ipad pro last week. tried drawing on it. compared to my old surface device, it felt amazing! then i figured i'd stick a tempered screen protector to protect this expensive device. started drawing this week, the surface was impossible to draw on, i really thought i broke the pen with how much it wiggles... i'll get a bellemond to see if the issue get fixed
Thank you. Very informative
Amazing video and review! Next time I recommend the hinge method for installing screen protectors 👍
THANK YOU FOR THIS VIDEO!
I recently bought an iPad and was really worried that something was wrong with it - but now I think it’s just the glass screen protector
I’d like to add a tip here: for those who can’t take the screen protector (like me, cuz I’m really scared of breaking something haha-crying), try setting just a little bit of Motion Filtering in the Pressure & Smoothing prefs in Procreate
0.1% was enough to get rid of pretty much all my wavy lines, as long as I'm not drawing very slowly
And yes, you still can feel the difference drawing, specially in circles or very curved lines
But, from my experience, it’s just a little bit, and you eventually get used to it.
Well, that’s it!
Once again, thank you for the video!
I hope this tip may help someone else too
I bought an iPad a couple of days ago and I was wondering which one to get. I heard matte ones decrease the screen quality and adds some sound to it which i really dont want since I'm going to use the tablet for gaming and school work as well.
So from your experience if we increase the accuracy little bit more, the wobbly lines kinda disappear?
I would be so glad if you could answer 🙏
@@foxypinky1317 Hi! From my experience, increasing the Motion Filtering setting in Procreate just a bit is enough to get rid of most wobbly lines - specially if you draw quickly (drawing slower makes them more visible again)
I hope this helps! Sorry, I couldn't find any conf with "Accuracy" as its exact name, but I think the Motion Filtering is the closest thing to it
If you're using other apps than Procreate, look for stabilization settings, it may help.
You just saved me a lot of heartache and also money. Thank you! I think I'll try drawing straight on the glass and just take really good care of it.
I did go out and get a glass protector btw.. I didn’t want to scratch the screen. Totally worth the money, a must buy
@@itikutok6568 did you notice any wobble with your glass screen protector?
@@tri9155 I get lots of wobble on mine….
I want to thank you. It really helped
This is the best review thank youu
Woa thankyou, i found this wobble line too with my esr tempered glass. I tho it was my pen problem. Thankyouu for the comparison
Thanks a ton... this video came up just in time when I was considering should I go for any screen protector or not
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Thank you! Very useful
Awesome video, and excellent when trying to pick surface for drawing with the bare pencil. Would love to see you use different pen tips. Like the covers/replacments from PenTips, etc.
awesome vid!!
I’m realising that I might be able to draw art without max streamline if I use a different screen protector (using smooth glass currently), thank you for the video 🙏
Thanks so much. I was having the same problem with wobble and jiggle with a glass protector. I will get the one you suggested.
Do you still have this problem ?
@@attoyatto2715 I have been using Bellemond screen protector for over a year. They definitely make it the easiest for me to get smooth lines. But they don’t last long!
They tend to get wrinkly and I have to replace them Every few months.
@@loricalass4068 thank you I have same issue but I tried last day remove the protector and I still have little tiny wavy lines but when use protector its come back that big waves .
thanks for this. it seems no one really mentions this. I saw someone do PET plastic protector for scratches and a detachable matte one for drawing/writing. it seems to be a good set up. I'm gonna try a tempered glass + detachable matte one. I will be getting the bellmond kent one but detachable. fingers crossed it won't be too bad. fortunately I don't do too much drawing just taking notes
hi! any updates about the situation? i got an iPad air for taking notes at school and i dont know which protecting style should i choose :(((((
You need to make more videos. This video was phenomenal. The rest of youtube is using subjective opinion based propaganda, here you are showing and telling. Hope you do more reviews of products at least. Subscribed.
Thanks
Cool! I didn't know about the wobble thing and was just about to buy a glass protector. Not doing that anymore! lol. Thanks!!
It depends on the screen protector because I use a glass one and there is no wobble, I think she just got a cheap screen protector
@@Johnnybravo2160 which glass screen protector do you have? This ESR tempered glass for sure did it, wasn't the cheapest but i would love to know if there is a better one that doesn't wobble!
Appreciate it
Honestly the biggest issue is Procreate's particular style of smoothing. Inking with it can be a nightmare, especially if your lineart leans on the thinner side. I just got the Clip Studio Paint Ex, and I love it. Though I still slightly prefer how brush textures look in Procreate, so I'm hoping that someday they redesign the stabilizer from scratch
Thanks!! Needed a honest review for my gfs Christmas present.
Thanks nat. Subscribed. And expecting you to spent more money to do more comparison review. :v
Thanks :D
I removed my matte screen protector because of the wobble, it is soo frustrating...
I'm using ipad without any screen protector, which is kinda scary. : )
Thanks for the review. Honest and detailed reviews are very hard to find. You are awesome..👍
I use bare screen too I hate the wobble caused by protectors because they dull the screen sensors 😢
i have cheap matte screen protector on my 10.5" ipad pro with 1st gen pencil, and there is no wobble at all, but i got an ipad mini 6 with 2nd gen pencil and it seems more sensitive to screen protectors. tempered glass and the magnetic bellemond definitely makes wobbly diagonal lines. I'm trying to find a thin glossy PET film, but they are a bit harder to find these days since most people prefer the look of tempered glass.
@@benyyz can you tell me the name of the 10.5 inch non wobble screen protector,please… I’ve been looking for one for so long, still using ipad with no screen protector..
I am not an artist and don’t have the most stable hands when writing. I noticed the wobbles when taking nots from time to time. I thought it was me at first, then I thought it was my Apple Pencil tip so I replaced that, still wobbles. I never even thought it was my glass screen protector!
Still not sure but I liked your vid
It looks like i really have to put a protective case my ipad, i draw my lines relatively slow usually in my plug in drawing table its not a problem but seeing this. I think i have made a good view on if i should put a screen protector or not.
I've heard some people complain about the tooth the Bellemond screen has, saying it has too much texture and wears down the pencil. I was interested when you said you couldn't imagine it wearing out the Apple Pencil. I'm assuming it all comes down to how hard each person presses on the screen, though I'm still looking for a screen protector and haven't tested it out for myself. Would you say you have a lighter hand when drawing? Great video btw, definitely one of the more informative ones out there!
Are there no tempered glass sceen protectors without this wobbling issue? This would bother me quite much but I also don't want micro scratches over time and definitely no matte screen protector.
I tried the Bellemond and found it awful for jitter & pixelation on fine lines compared to bare screen, so I just stick to bare screen and a good case, I don’t venture out really for urban work as I’m mostly desk drawing so protection or glare isn’t the priority for me
I’ve been drawing on the bare screen since removing my paper-like protector that I didn’t like at all -too noisy and simply didn’t like the harsh feel.
I’m just really looking to get less glare when drawing outside.
Glad the glass screen protector I had bought was only $8 at a salvage shop.
I have decided to draw right on the glass. I've seen other artists and companies doing this, so I'm going to see how it works and hope it doesn't scratch the surface. Paperlike scratched so much for me. This is helpful to hear how the glass screen protector worked.
Honestly the bare glass is the best option if your house is chaos free. If you've ever seen how a 3 year old uses the apple pencil, you would see why some definitely need a protector, lol.
Paperlike supposedly has pretty bad quality and they scratch pretty easily. They’re super overpriced as well. Get another brand
Could you please make a comparison video on reflectivity with and without the screen protectors
Good idea, when I replace my current Bellemond protector I'll do a comparison video, also include footage of new vs used matte protectors. Thanks!
Great, informative video. Shame you one have a few videos. Any plans for more content?
Haha ya! Just so little free time lol. I wanna do an update soon tho. Thanks!
I use a glass screen protector, but when I want to draw i use a matte screen protector that has magnets at the sides to be removable after drawing. That was the best way to go for me. Didn't want to keep my iPad without a screen protector and didn't want to keep matte permanent because of how it messes up colors, dulls the screen when not drawing etc. Best of both worlds
May I ask which brand you use
I would also like to know!
Which brand
Does that prevent the wobble? When you put the matte on top of the tempered glass?
@@IamCree same question here
Did you try with different brushes? It’s v hard to tel bc this is sort of a “scribble” pencil brush
do you think increasing the stabilizer will counteract the jittery diagonal lines??? i really prefer tempered glass screen protectors over matte ones bc i like the sharp image but now i’m not so sure anymore 😅 i’m buying myself an ipad in a few weeks but decided to look up what screen protectors were good for drawing.
Definitely not enough to compensate. Plus stabilizers are a bit annoying to draw with on strong settings anyway, it's like drawing with a ball and chain, the lag isn't enjoyable. I tried to find non matte PET film but failed in Canada, it exists though. Maybe on usa Amazon you'll have some luck.
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Unfortunately I probably have to bare with it. I am a student and bringing around my tablet without a screen protector gives me anxiety. I draw as a hobby and I’d o notice these lines sometimes.
It’s very sad because that doesn’t work on my ipad, i’ve removed my tempered glass and it still makes a bumpy line when it comes to the diagonal line
I'm a heavy tablet user and I honestly don't know now what to get because I need a layer of something to protect the ipad because its not cheap.
Thank you. I think i'm gonna buy an Ipad 9 gen without screen protector.
THANK YOU for this video!
I've been on the lookout for a matte screen protector (mainly for the paper-feel) and when I finally purchased one, I was so disappointed to find out about this diagonal line wobble problem (mine was worse than in your matte screen protector demonstration). How come no one is talking about this? since this is so detrimental for art.
Also, why does this even happen in the first place?
Honestly i have no idea why it's not commonly mentioned, I watched a ton of vids on screen protectors and not one mentioned it except Brad and it felt only briefly mentioned. It's bananas frustrating.
Hey guys, I've ordered the exact iPad and it's yet to come. Planning to use primarily for note taking. I've not yet decided which app. It could be good notes, notebility, notion, apple notes anything which caters to note taking. So will I have this jittery wobbles when writing and occasionally drawing in my notes in these above mentioned apps as I'm planning to get the exact tempered glass.
An answer would be appreciated.
Thanks.
For notes, if you're ok with the bit of wobble, it would be fine. I mean it won't be illegible. Maybe try another brand than esr, I suspect all tempered glass will behave the same but maybe another brand is thinner and less wobbly.
any chance you are sharing your brushes ?
Have you ever tried tempered glass from Belkin? They say they are fully functional with apple pencil but I am still worry about buying it because of jittered lines in Procreate.
I haven't, but i would imagine all glasses with thickness will cause this issue. I've low hope, but if you do try come back and update here!
Wait you have only two videos?
so in your opinion which is the best screen protector for writing on the ipad?
Bellemond Matte Kent. I've had it on now for almost 2 months, no scratches, still working great! I'll do an update video one of these days, but I'm loving it :)
that true, i have to removed my screen protector.
Oh you wonderful person. I saw your vid a few weeks ago where you recommended Bellemond. I had already tried three different screen protectors, not paperlike because it is so expensive and got mixed reviews.
None of the screen protectors, all matte, really got rid of the jitter of the Apple Pencil.
I was way skeptical that Belmonde would help. But you looked so sincere so I decided to go ahead and buy it.
You’re right, it is an amazing screen protector! Suddenly I was easily able to draw things that were very frustrating before.
So thank you.
And I have a question. It may be that no one has the answer. But just in case…
If the screen protector is on the iPad, then obviously we can’t put on a blue light emission protector film over that. And I have heard the blue light blocking glasses aren’t terribly effective.
Since people spend hours daily with the iPad, do you have any suggestions?
I didn't realize other matte protectors are causing a lot of jitter! That's frustrating, thank you for mentioning it.
I'm sorry but I know very little about blue light reduction beyond "night mode", certainly nothing about film protectors. I stare at a variety of screens for over 10 hours a day and have no eye strain so I'm not one to ask lol. Sorry!
@@hackynat4481 some people seem to be doing just great with their matte screen protectors that didn’t work for me.
As for blue light, I’m sorry I bothered you. I did more research and it seems that concern about blue light is a bunch of hype. There’s far more blue light in sunlight, for example, then there is coming from a computer screen. Further, there is zero evidence that blue light glasses actually I have any benefit at all.
So we can use our iPads all we want! But if you want to cut out blue light you may or may not know that there are settings on the iPad and computers for what they called night shift. Though it is not apparently harmful to the eyes, it does seem to upset circadian rhythms if you were looking at it at night.
I recently removed my glass screen protector. It was just too slippery and reflective. I use to have a matte screen protector but I removed it as well because of the decrease in screen clarity. I decided to go “naked’ with my ipad screen. Lol.
consider using the magnetic matte screen addon thingies
I would really like to know where did u get your iPad case please.
It's the Fintie rotating case on Amazon. Heavy, but really padded and secure and rotation is super helpful for draping over knees while on couch lol.
if i connect my stylus to phone in procreate then the line is wobbly. if it’s not connected then it’s fine. is it still because of the screen protector?
I don't have an iPhone so can't test, I'm sorry.
I removed my screen protector from matte to glass (to get a clearer and better screen quality) but I’m a little sorry 😅. Because it’s not very good to draw. But maybe I will use it for the next 1 year, because I think it’s quite expensive in my opinion (I bought a spigen product)
put stabilisation to 30 and motion filtering to 30 it will help with tempered glass
Does the jitter appear on the protective glass only when drawing lines slowly?
Nah all lines, but MORE on the slow lines. Fast still has wobble with the glass.
I bought a paperlike screen protector and at the beginning it was perfect, no/little woobles, just that light reflection.
The problems comes after you use it for a couple of months, the screen starts to be scrathed by the pencil creating a noise effect with brigth backgrounds.
Once you notice it gets really annoying.
Any ideas how the pencil works with plastic screen protectors?
Really good video btw, straight to the point.
I'm going to buy an iPad for my school notes. I've never owned an iPad nor written on an iPad. Should I buy a paper-like screen to start with, but not from paperlike itself, but from eg alliexpress, and then switch to glass when I'm used to writing on the ipad, or should I use glass right away?
@@oliwaaa7982 It's my first Ipad too and I use it mainly for drawing so the glass protector with that woble effect was not an option for me. I gave it a try without any screen to see how naturally it feels and I'm quite impress, it's how I'm using it now.
If you are planning to take your Ipad to school and everywhere I would firstly buy a proper case and give it a try without screen to see if you need that paper feel. As I an ex-paperlike user I would go directly with glass if you feel the need of more protection. :D
Hope it helps, good luck!
What about reading and note-taking? Does it make the reading experience better?
Glass would be better for reading, the glass screen protector adds a fair bit of glare, if you're using this for school, it's likely going to be a problem going Matte.
She's got them crazy eyes
I’m going insane with my screen, idk what’s wrong with it, I have no screen protector, it has a small crack down it, it’s bent a bit because of the damned heat or something and whenever I’m trying to draw, when I try to zoom in our out or move around with two fingers it sometimes presses the backspace button for me when I don’t want it to, when I wash my hands it works fine for the most part so idk if it’s my screen being dirty or not, I am really stressed about this so can anyone give me answers please? Is there something I don’t know
It's a lot of variables at play there... Cheapest variable to eliminate is maybe try a drawing glove? It could be doing a bag job of palm ignoring, a glove would solve that. Or it's the crack. Or it's the bend. Both much more expensive to fix lol.
Can you install the Film on the tempered glass...?
I'd imagine that would be even worse for wobble.
First I thought I broke my Apple Pencil😂
same here i was gonna replace it since there is still 1 month free service left
so what is your final thought ? bellemond or esr ?
Bare is best. Then matte. And not glass at all.
do the bellemond wear down the pencil like paperlike?
paperlike is a sandpaper :/
I've been using it for 5 months and haven't noticed any wear down. I would definitely not call it sandpaper. Not glossy obviously, maybe more like skin lol.
If I use matte..should I put pencil nib?
I'd say it wouldn't be necessary, but you can always try it out. If it's to protect the pencil tip, I'd say unnecessary with the bellmond anyway, I've noticed no wear down.
In the end… did you prefer it without protection? 😉
Seems like the wobby line has to do with how you hold your pencil? Instead of having the thumb lying down flat on the pencil, the thumb should be bent inwards, so that the tip of the thumb is pinning down the pencil for extra stability.
Why would there be little to no wobble on the bare screen though? I held the pencil the same way I've always held it for all 3 tests, with different results.
Maybe the plastic ruler is knocked
I used the same ruler for all 3 screen setups and each gave different results, so it's unlikely the ruler. Also got the same wobble in freehand tests.
Anyone drawing on thevipad without a protector? I just got my 2022 ipad pro m2 with pencil. I dont have a protector and im a beginner... 🤔🤔
I have the same ipad. Never used a protector. I also had an ipad 8th gen and didn't use a protector on that one either. There's just no other way to get the best drawing experience.
@@yamapishy9792 Thanks for the info, how is the screen holding up after drawing on it over time? It should be just fine right? With these expensive devices and apple pen. without any protectors.
@@Imbalina yep. If you're ipad is in a casing you should be fine. Maybe invest in a shockproof casing if you always bring your ipad outdoors.
I have had exactly the same experience replacing multiple screen protectors and losing a lot of money. The only perfect situation is bare ipad screen.
Try the Bellemond protector. And she said, it makes an amazing difference.
You shouldn’t use the ruler to test straight lines, the ruler messes up the pressure sensitivity of the Apple Pencil, and make it wobble.
I thought that might be the case which is why I included freehand tests. However if it messes it up, it still doesn't mess up on the bare screen.
Youre iPad Touch Grid is only Horizontal and Vertical. The Screen Protector makes it worse, buts its just how screens are. To avoid this, rotate your canvas to make all diagonal lines on the vertical or horizontal grid on your screen.
Absolutely, when making all straight lines. Gets tricky when making curved lines obviously.
@@mumpay yes, an app with good stabilization is key
What about drawing a circle? With glass screen protector jitter problem prevents you from drawing a perfect shape. Also it has impact on your handwriting.
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