Would These Indie Heroes Survive the Cult of the Lamb?
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- Опубліковано 9 лип 2024
- @rougarabid
#cultofthelamb #hollowknight #castlecrashers #monsterboy #skultheheroslayer #shovelknight #cuphead #thebindingofisaac
Intro - 00:00
Cult of the Lamb - 2:30
Castle Crashers - 8:37
Monster Boy and the Cursed Kingdom - 11:37
Skul the Hero Slayer - 14:25
Shovel Knight - 18:17
Cuphead - 22:38
Hollow Knight - 29:06
The Binding of Issac - 40:32
Outro - 44:44 - Ігри
Currently making a response video to y’all’s comments. So make sure to look out for that if you’re interested. Will probably take a few days since I have over 200 comments to get through.
I disagree with your hollow knight placement, and believe it would absolutely solo the verse of cult of the lamb. And here is why i think that. You said absolute radiance, which means godhome ending in which thr knight becomes a being that is only shown partially. Even still, the part it shows is rpughly 15x the size of the radiance. The radiance is canonically the literal sun. This means the shade lord is the size of our solar system or even larger. The knight's sibling is the hollow knight, who's peak form is much larger than the knight's and is more powerful than the knight in it's baby form. Since you said peak form, this means the knight grows in size to the pure vessel's, and will be able to easily dispatch the pure vessel with a couple attacks. Then you carry over the shade's size (the ghost like enemy left after you die) and put it at the size of the hollow knight's shade in the dream no more ending. Which is roughly 8x the size of the knight's baby shade. Then multiply the strength to match it's size. And you now have an even larger shade lord. Who i probably underestimated it's size earlier. And make it roughly 8x larger and stronger. Making a being thr size of the largest dtar in the milky way or even larger. The knight also, as you stated, has no soul or mind to think. But, in the game, it states that void can have a mind to think, (in the form of the collector) and thus the knight COULD possibly have a mind. I believe the knight would be able to solo the verse of cult of the lamb, but would probably not kill them as they dont pose a threat.
I hope you understand im not trying to be rude here, but i would like to share a 112% 2000+ hours player's knowledge. I hope you take this into consideration and i hope to see your response in your next vid in reviewing the comments. I hope this is included to give some more insight for other viewers.
Take care
So. I do believe your placement was very good, but i just wanted to show my thoughts on the matter, and discuss another possibility that i believe to be more accurate to the game and it's lore
I do believe the lamb would be weaker than the knight. But the lamb would not be able to be killed. But the knight would be able to definitely not be harmed by the lamb's attacks just because it is powerful enough to destroy the literal sun in a few seconds
I also forgot to mention, in godhome ending the shade lord eho id the knight. Literally kills the radiance, the absolute radiance just vanishes. The only rime the radiance gets pulled into the void is in the dream no more ending, which is not the knight at peak power
And when you explained the curses that insta kill and turn enemies into critters, those do not affect the gods (the bishops) and thus would not affect the shade lord who is canonically the god of gods
"The Knight can't kill Absolute Radiance"
The Knight during the Dream No More and Embrace The Void endings : "Am I a joke to you?"
In those endings the Radiance isn't trapped in the void, she's very clearly killed. In the godhome ending you can even see the infection dying out after Radiance is destroyed.
this is especialy prudent, because in the Embrace The Void ending, The Knight becomes lord of the void. basicaly, the incarnation of void. maybe void is guilt, or lost souls, or just negative emotions. what matters is that there is a lot of stuff on the island that can be made into void, therefore possibly enhancing the power of the Shade Lord beyond the lamb by a fair margin. imagine a conglomerate of millions, possibly billions of souls united for one goal. to kill you. you will die.
Another thing on top of that, The Knight is, Technically, A god of their own, The Shade Lord, The Void Unified, Whatever you want to call it, And in game, Canonically, The void DOES have power over Time, Specifically, *In the Pale King Himself's words:* "VOID, Yours is the power to Deny Time".
What exactly that means in terms of physical feats, We don't quite know, But what we can Extrapolate from that and the fact that creatures like the guy who Actively Speaks about your shade after you die and Brings it back for you, Meaning it's not just there for flavorful gameplay only purposes, Implies that the knight's respawn mechanic IS CANON in some way
@@lisabilby2006one interpretation of the power to deny time is that the lasting of Hallownest is the night and if the radiance were to emerge once more a new dawn will arise because “Through its (the Hollow Kinght) sacrifice Hallownest lasts eternal.”
The Knight is canonically dead or sealed away, how did bro get even get there
@@XpathTheChojiro that is a great question
The lamb after isaac duplicates death certificate 67 times with crooked penny, damacles, and diplopia, and then getting every item in the game that synergizes with eachother, just to press the shoot button once and crash the game, losing all that damn work.
Average isaac run:
While also killing everyone in the process
true nuclear child
Diplo-wildcard.
No, that's 'I sleep'.
They can panic when Isaac sets up a church and gains the blessing of Christ, using their methods of gaining power against them. That's 'REAL ****' levels of panic.
the idea of the knight looking at the cults and going "here we go again, radiance part 2" is way too entertaining for me.
also thank you for acknowledging game MECHANICS verus game LORE. they are two very different things and people don't acknowledge mechanics nearly enough as they should.
I do 2nd this
I learned to separate game mechanics from lore a long time ago when the Overwatch devs said that Zenyatta's orb abilities in-game aren't actually cannon.
I can imagine one of the bishops going up to the knight and trying to see inside his mind, and they just see nothing... Really just a blank slate, and they're just dumbfounded.
or pure darkest that swalows them whole becose it is part void
Or screams of the ripped souls
Shade Lord and hundreds of other vessels' shade chilling wave: "Sup."
“What the hell, this man really is no thoughts head empty”
I’d imagine they look into his mind, and they immediately see a featureless black void flood in around them. They feel baffled, thinking it some illusion. Then, they see and hear the truly countless eyes and voices of those dragged into the dark. All calling for them to join the void.
The bishop backs out, frightened by the realization of what they found. They retreat, already plotting contingencies against this living nightmare. A conclusion worse than death, dressed in a cloak and mask.
Issac didn’t even survive his own game bro 😭
He kills himself not that that really matters though. Thanos dying in Endgame doesn’t mean he’d die in something like the Equalizer Universe. Different universes have different power levels and circumstances that could lead to different outcomes. It’s unlikely that Issac would purposefully lock himself in a chest and allow himself to suffocate in the Lands of the Old Faith like he did in his own game.
@@rougarabid yeah, but if he can’t really get out of a chest on his own I doubt he can fight anything. I mean lore wise the entirety of the game is more so a hallucination than anything.
If he gets an op synergy everybody’s cooked
He locked himself in the chest because he wanted to die
@@rougarabid I see most of Isaac’s powers as imaginary. Like throughout tboi and legend of bumbo it’s shown that Isaac has an immense imagination. I see most of his items as references to his family, church mentality, or symbolism. I don’t think any of tboi actually happens other than him crying over his family and dying in the chest. Maybe that’s a hot and terrible take tho 🤷🏾♀️
One compelling possibility is the Terrarian. Items exist to counter a lot of hax on the island (looking at you, Ankh Shield), can tear up the island and its inhabitants to make god knows what else out of the raw materials, mundane and incomprehensible ones alike, and is no stranger to eldritch nightmares, having canonically beat up Cthulhu after smacking around his disembodied organs for a while earlier.
I thought about him but like Issac he has a TON of stuff and would’ve added a lot of time to the video. Maybe in part 2
If you add the calamity and wrath of God's and unfernum mod he has killed multiple gods at their full potential
@@rougarabid the Terrarian is a bit weird, his strength is kinda all over the place. With sniper rifles having similar numbers to nukes. With there being things like hell with a gigantic wall of flesh that they can kill, but that wall has less health than an angry plant.
Obviously though hatty hattington in castle crashers solo's, if he has the hat of course. Since it basically gives him godly powers that can wipe out a galaxy in seconds.
@@Alexandre-wy3jf this isn't mods, mods aren't canon to any lore. If we add mods the terrarian would solo everything because they removed the power scaling.
@@Alexandre-wy3jf If we wanted to include calamity, we'd probably have to use a specifically calamity character, eg Draedon (machines rival gods), Yharim (literally goes around killing gods /feeding them to DoG) or Xeroc (.) Otherwise, calamity player could probably summon DoG next to the lamb and watch all hell break loose
Fun fact to scale shovel knight to absurd proportions: his fight against Kratos is completly canon for both series, and according to the dialogue is post GOW 3 Kratos
Holy
Yeah but I don’t use it for a few reasons. 1) it’s such an outlier in terms of Shovel Knight’s power and nothing else he does across any game even comes close to that. 2) It doesn’t fit anywhere in the GOW timeline. Based on Kratos words it happens after GOW 3 and he left Greece. Problem is he has ALL his weapons, items and powers which he lost at the end of 3 and in Ragnarok he straight up says he lost all his Greek Magic after 3 so there’s no way he could have that stuff during his fight with SK. Corey doesn’t give a fuck about continuity.
@rougarbuild While it is actually canon to GOW (confirmed in interview that it happens after GOW 3), there is no proof it is canon to Shovel Knight
@@alexgreer6336 yacht club did say it was Canon on a tweet
@@adnmach Okay, but the person in the video still has a point with it being an outlier
as hollow knight nerd I have to point out the knight was meant to contain the radiance the absolute radiance is the radiance boosted by the godseekers and the fact that the knight beat the stronger form is far more impressive than being the temp seal it was made to be
I never said it was a temp seal. It’s a sealing ability, I get it but The One Who Waits was sealed in a prison dimension for thousands of years and Lamb had no issues traveling back and forth from it. There’s no evidence that the Knight’s sealing ability is better than the 4 Bishop’s combined sealing powers.
@@rougarabid yeah I mainly was talking about you saying absolute radiance over and over when the pale king didnt know about it I compleatly agree with you saying the knight would lose though
@@rougarabidwait the lamp isn't the one being sealed
It's the one who waits
This is like saying a prison guard can't be imprison because he goes to jail all the time.
@@rougarabidthe question is what ending the knight had. In some of them, he just becomes a god. He'd probably win in that case.
@@winnerwannabe9868not just any god either the god of void. It's not just death or decay, it's *the end* the heat death of the universe kinda end
One thing you forgot about for the knight is that in game, the siblings dont die when you "kill" them, they just show back up in a few seconds. The only reason he disappears is because the knight re absorbs his shade after beating it
ture
I think he didn’t mention that so it wouldn’t be a slate mate cuz lamb can’t recruit the knight and if he did mention this knight wins by a technically
Both the Knight and the Hollow Knight do not have a gender and use they/them.
@@laraprisma6381 People like you are so F annoying, just let people call their fictional videogame characters how they want.
@@laraprisma6381 Can people like you stop giving a F about how the rest of us call our fictional videogame characters?
I don't see a LOT of people defending the Castle Crashers as I thought I would but I want to throw in my 2 cents here about their overall power level.
1. The game can be played in single player, meaning that if this were to be considered canon that it would mean that any of the knights could solo the entire game ON THEIR OWN. Which in itself is a big feat which will be continued on.
2. As for their abilities, equipment, skills, strengths, etc, that is absolutely NO laughing matter as well. Their shields are impervious to most damage in the game, being able to block enormous heat beams from the troll boss's eyes that will probably melt the regular person in an instant - which even THEN they can survive. Whatever the hell that thing is made of, the only way you're getting through that is with overwhelming force to knock the knights off their feet or sidestepping the knights which can easily track their movements.
3. Their stamina is crazy. Judging that there is no downtime in the game, at least canonically, they are going from level-to-level with little to no rests in between. Yes it is sped up in the minimap sure but when they are actually in the rut of it they show NO tiredness whatsoever. These fuckers are full of adrenaline.
4. Their strength is WAY more than meets the eye. They CAN break rocks easily, this is shown in the Lava World where you can destroy petrified statues to obtain goodies from, easily breaking out of Medusa's stone gaze (which to normal people would kill instantly so something might be up with their armor to protect from that and other possible magic elements seeing how they CAN be set aflame, frozen in solid ice, electrocuted, and poisoned and walk it off shortly after - even if they aren't immune to such), as well as breaking out of ice done by attacks from the Frost King (Yes it's ice but that stuff doesn't look brittle to me). Not to mention they can in theory take on an entire Dragon, Building-Sized Machine, and then some with just their current medieval weaponry and smacking em over and over again. It's usually just the big things they struggle on due to their (and everyone else's) small stature.
5. OH MY GOD THEIR FEATS. While not killing literal gods, which I do think they will struggle going up against the Bishops and god forbid the Lamb themself, they are still pretty impressive assuming one can of these guys can (somewhat) end an entire war. While they probably aren't one man armies like the Doomslayer but they have taken on what could amount to entire fields and castles worth of guards. Hell the Wedding Crash-Lava World levels you take on both conehead knights, thieves, lava demons, and even the highly skilled Groom, Cyclops, and that dragon I mentioned earlier - all within probably an hour without any rests. Not to mention the final level where these guys (or guy, again single player) shred through the painter, resurrected Groom and Cyclops, Necromancer, AND the Evil Wizard empowered by the crystal. Again, with the little and simple lore that is in Castle Crashers these power scalings can be a bit iffy but they aren't just ordinary guys in their world.
6. They're presumably masters of their magic. Sure in gameplay it just amounts to elemental blasts, projectiles, and jumps but it has been shown in that final level what they are truly capable of. These guys can FLY when they need to and given how the crystal flies all the way back to the castle with the final princess and Castle Crasher(s) on top, it can be assumed that they are the ones harnessing it's power in that given moment - which given by how much power the Evil Wizard must've had to control that thing, which might top the Castle Crashers in it of itself, the fact that they have authority over that thing could be considered a monolithic milestone in magic. Not to mention, only a select few enemies in castle crashers use magic and these are usually tougher guys that you probably wouldn't see in the regular parts of the world that are native to their species - such as the lava demons, bears, and industrialists/fencers (who might be robots but it is never confirmed). Sure there are exceptions to this such as the Groom being able to use dark magic but it can be assumed that this guy is a lot like the Castle Crashers - he's one of the few "mimic" boss fights in the game (the others being the Bear Chieftan and Necromancer 3rd Phase) so it's safe to assume that he's had the same training as the Castle Crashers himself at one point.
Some of this may just be me being a Castle Crashers fanboy (cough cough my pfp says it all) but I will die on this hill that they can hold their own on the Island but might not be able to take on the stronger godlike entities (Then again, who can aside from the Lamb?) but could possibly be a challenge to such based on how durable, quick, and powerful their equipment actually are given how much damage they can tank at max level AND keep up with entire fields worth of men (or... whatever the hell you want to call half their enemies) alone.
Also if you play co op on the alien ship level the knights can survive the entire ship exploding and take like 2 damage. They can also get slammed straight into the ground and get back up in less than a second
They might technically be immortal if there are other knights around by reviving each other.
Thank you I needed to see someone else agree because they are amazing and he's just insulting them
One knight can take on the Necromancer, who has a room full of bodies with no signs of decay (implying that they are recent kills HE made, instead of dragging the ones the knights killed) who then revives them, twice, and magically empowers a few of them, before choosing to fight himself as the hardest humanoid opponent in the game, and it only takes one knight to take on all of that. What's more, that is after fighting two other incredibly powerful bosses and right before he fights a master wizard, which the knight canonically wins against, and they can do all of this while holding a fucking twig as a weapon.
He absolutely did undermine the castle crashers, they have taken on a cult before and can just grab a new weapon and master it on the spot! I find it hard to think that the castle crashers could lose so fast.
7. Infinite juggle combos
One thing that I think is important to note about Isaac, is that as of Repentance, Isaac has killed the four horsemen of the apocalypse and the Beast from the book of Revelations. One of those four horsemen is literally just a manifestation of Death itself. Also, because of the different Isaacs, like The Forgotten or The Lost, life isn't a necessity for him to hurt other beings. Then some of the items he gives, on their metaphysical level are more than just broken.
Rock Bottom is one of those items. It makes so that Isaac can literally not get any weaker, he can only grow stronger. Anything that would weaken him would have the effect applied, then ignored by Rock Bottom.
Pyromaniac makes him immune to fire and explosions literally heal him.
Items like Purgatory, Vengeful Spirit, Vade Retro and Urn of Souls use souls of the dead, or enemies, as attacks.
Shields like Divine Intervention and Holy Mantle block anything, they are only temporary, but they are still powerful shields. Gnawed Leaf turns Isaac into a statue, invulnerable to any hurt as long as he stands still.
And there is one thing you missed about his reality warping powers. He does have some items that do affect enemies with their reality warping. Broken Modem forces enemies to lag, shots to glitch out of existence and sometimes double rewards. Stopwatch slows time for everything except Isaac. D10 (and D Infinity) downgrades enemies. Meat Cleaver can split any enemy, and most bosses in two, both of whom have a combined health total that is 80% of their pre split counterpart.
A lot of consumables also give Isaac massive advantages. I'm Drowsy and Perks pills, Chaos Card, The Aces of Hearts, Diamonds, Spades and Clubs, many of the tarot and reverse tarot cards and the runes.
Another thing that I think is imporant to note is who he has as allies. With the right items, those same four horsemen of the apocalypse will fight alongside Isaac. Other familiars like Dry Baby will absorb attacks sent Isaac's way and can respond by dealing a necronomicon attack to the entire room. Oh, yeah, lets not forget that he is more than willing to sell his soul to the Devil for power, or should he reject the devil, gains the favor of the angels to grant him items.
All that to say, great video but I think Isaac has more or a shot at this than you're giving him credit for.
One singular correction, Issac kills 5 horsemen, you forgot conquest which is called the "forgotten horseman" when unlocked as a boss if my memory serves correct
The issue with this argument is that everything that happens in tboi is Isaac’s dying delusions.
@_comb_5859 yes, but going by the logic presented in the video, we're assuming that what is happening to Isaac is literally happening to him.
I think that he has a point about Isaac not really having a reason to want to pick a fight. Despite the power he amasses, at the end of the day he's a scared child who is trying to save himself and using his own tears of fear as a defense mechanism.
If the Lamb were to show him kindness, I can see him easily adoctrinating Isaac and having him live happily among his flock, specially since Isaac struggles with religious ideas that he's sinful and a demon, and having a literal god come to him and absolving him of his sins can go a long way.
He can get both Angel and Devil Deals with a couple of items.
Also, all of this is forgetting FAITH IS A POWER UP ON THE ISLAND, ISAAC CAN START A CHURCH AND START SLINGING OUT PLAGUES LIKE THERE'S NO TOMORROW AGAINST THE OTHER CULTS WITH HOW THEY TORMENT THEIR PEOPLE.
okay but crazy dave (with all of his plants) beats every single one of these
Well yeah, GW1 and 2 shows he has a worldwide army.
the chinese exclusive games shows he can create plant gods.
PVZ 2 shows he is capable of time travel beyond just freezing it.
@@_Walter_Blanco HE IS PEAK!!! FUCKING PEAK!!!!!
Dave is truly crazy
Issac can stop time💀
@@donglongjohn5456 PAUSE IS A SHIT ITEM!!!!!!!
personaly, if it was the knight with the abilitys of the shade lord, the island would die out.
the shade lord ( the knights shade at full power) from godhome does actually kill the radiance itself, so the shadelord could fight the lamb and win.
In the domain of the God of dreams. Killing the god of dreams. And the god of dreams literally being powered up by other gods. Means that the knight is way more powerful than we give him credit for. And here's something we need to think about... are they actually bugs that are bug sized? Or are they like anthropomorphic bugs and human sized?
@@JadeTheProtogen1 it would be hella funny if the shade lord was a tiny bug but yeah, you do have a point
@@M1nisat think about it. *walks behind a pillar* thiiink abouuut ittttt!
I made a response video that covers many mistakes I made as well as arguments people made in the comments this one included. Check it out.
Castle crashers knights have the ability to stun people until they die so if the lamb makes one mistake good game
Invincibility frames GG
@@rougarabid i don't think that makes you immune to them juggling the cultists like how they do to most enemies in speedruns.
Isaac resisted the sirens mind control, can get rid of curses with black candle. Also killedenemies that comes back from dead, he can negate immortality and death manipulation
Also, to Issac death is just an average boss fight rather than a final boss like in COTL
Everyone else: *Finds and equip their equipment*
Isaac: *Begins to cry*
That’s all he needs to destroy
Arguments for Isaac winning
(Note: I'm counting DLC's and Rebirth)
1. The Siren (I forget if that its actual name) uses mind control to steal Isaac's allies yet not Isaac, if he wasn't immune then why did she not take him, also for Curses Black Candle deals with those, Transmutation? Clicker to Transform Back or Glowing Hour to Go Back in Time, these are Items not abilities (If I had a sword and shield and got transformed I would still have a Sword and Shield) so he would still have access to those
2. Againist The two angels and a battle againist himself he has dodged light beams, however arguemental can still happen as there is a few sec windup
3. Isaac has infinite one ups (using certain setups to get infi items, along side that in general that everytime he "dies" he comes back to life like Lamb
4. Pause is an item that Freezes Time, as long as he has that (possibly with infi active item use setups) he could just keep freezing time and defeat anyone (Use Chaos Card if needed)
5. Invincibilty Items can allow Isaac to flat out become immortal (with infi-charge setup)
6. Since the Lost is just Isaac's Soul, (Or the literall Soul with Forgotten) and both are still Isaac he can manipulate his own Soul (or the item Astral Projection which when hit sends his soul out which he can control)
Now I understand that this is my opinion, but like you said I feel that an entire video can be made on this topic, however good job on this vid and I'm looking forward for what comes next
Isaac fans rise up 🔥
None of that happened in real life, it was all just a dying kid’s delusions.
@@_comb_5859yeah but that's *really* boring to be like "lol no he's just a kid and fucking dies"
@@_comb_5859if that was the case, that wouldve been taken into consideration in the video
@@SilverFoxeGames it is the case. Go watch the true ending of the Afterbirth+ DLC
When you talked about the knight, you forgot that the knight also became a god in the DLC. In the godseeker DLC after he defeats absolute radiance he’s recognized as the god of gods by the godseekers that have the power to boost anyone through faith, and that turns him into the shade lord that allowed him to not only solo radiance but also take over the dream realm (that has a sun in it) and spread it to the hollownest
Okay, I'm sorry. This is probably gonna seem kinda nitpicky, but I just gotta say it.
23:18 - 23:25 The One Who Waits is NOT bigger than a mountain range. We can see in-game that his hight is closer to that of a tree.
The reason he was this big in the trailer was because... well, it was a trailer. That shot was meant to look cool and grab your attention.
Edit: fixed a typo, made the timestamp more accurate.
Yeah, I feel like this would honestly depend a lot on circumstances, interpretation of lore, interpretation of game mechanics, etc. The invincibility mode in CotL was mentioned but that’s an accessibility feature, and I don’t think it’s meant to literally be like that? I could be wrong, but it’s listed in accessibility. Plus, if the Bishops are still in the picture then the Lamb hasn’t beaten the One who Waits yet. This is honestly really complicated lol
Edit: I know this comment isn’t super related but a decent amount of things were misinterpreted in the video, and I couldn’t comment normally for some reason
As a general rule any official animations are considered canon as long as it’s released by the developers. Besides it’s not like we haven’t seen in game that TOWW can change his size. In the final boss fight he grows in size till his head is about the size of a house so it’s not a stretch to say he can grow even bigger. Until I’m told otherwise by the developers I’m taking what they put out as part of the canon and my attitude will remain the same with all other universes.
@@starsthecasual1670The Bishops come back after the defeat of TOWW and The Lamb has to kill them again. This is the point in the timeline that the characters would arrive at the island and where all characters are at their most powerful.
@@rougarabid That does make sense, thank you for clearing that up! I do want to ask a few more questions, though- I’m curious.
- You mentioned the relic that turns enemies into critters being able to defeat the Knight, but- if relics are allowed, would Charms be allowed as well? That opens up a whole new set of options. Also the Transmogricon is both random and doesn’t affect bosses, which is probably the classification the Knight would fall under if it’s capable of beating the Bishops. The outcome of the fight would probably depend a lot on lore and mechanic interpretation from there so I won’t go into that.
- I saw the Skull of Shamura mentioned in another comment and you mentioned that Skul probably wouldn’t be able to steal it. However, since you mentioned other character interactions, it could be theoretically possible that they encounter Clauneck and pick it up themselves? They probably wouldn’t win but it would change a lot of things.
@@rougarabid "As a general rule any official animations are considered canon as long as it's released by the developers."
Update: _Um..._
Yeah... the lamb bled from a wound in the latest trailer... and that wound was inflicted by a heretic...
Not trying to argue anything, just... uh... thought I'd point that out, especially since you said in the video that the lamb was pretty much invincible...
Yeah...
Knights: "Nuh uh." _Juggles all the common cultists_
He's a bug
He will squish
@@gwynedd4023 Castle Crashers.
@@Flamme-Sanabi oh
The knight is canonically the god of gods, I think he kinda just sweeps everything
God is just a title. He doesn’t have feats better than the Lamb. It’s close be he loses. I made a response video after this where I go in more detail and respond to comments
@@rougarabid I will watch it, thank you for telling me
@@rougarabid I just watched the response video and you make a lot of good points but, I think you contradicted yourself on one thing. You mentioned that we shouldn’t assume the knight from Hollow Knight would have a resistance to transmodification because he isn’t a biological creature, however there is also no reason to assume that he doesn’t have that resistance considering there is no point in the game that the lamb uses this power on non-living things (unless I am wrong). Also you brought something up that makes me think Isaac could beat the lamb. Because the lamb is somewhat fueled by his followers, can’t Isaac just erase the followers and then fight the lamb? Both videos were very fun to watch by the way, and I do plan on watching any future ones.
@@rougarabidBrother, the Void given focus, Shade Lord, bro could beat the ABSOLUTE Radience, and then fill up the dream world with Void
Void, in Hollow Knight, is probably the most powerful thing in that world, being able to corrupt and kill anything that we know of, including godlike beings like the Pale King and Radience, and in Godhome ending, the Knight has dominion over it. Since I don't think a Void being can be killed (the siblings in the abyss cannot be destroyed), since the Void corrupts, I don't think The Lamb will be able to do much with the soul, unless he wants to become like the Godseeker in the Godhome ending
One thing you forgot about hollow knight, in the abyss you find siblings, which are just shades and you dont gain soul from attcking them and if you do manage to "kill" them they just return a few seconds later, so shades actually cant be destroyed.
Edit:also the knight very clearly kills the rafience in dream no more and becomes a litteral god of voide, which is what his shade is made out of so thats also another cound twords him being unkillable. And if as you stated in the Issac part, all gods are immune to transmigrification magic because the knight is a voide god he would be immune, so the knight and tha lamb would just be duking it out for all eternity.
You’re right I didn’t think about that but it wouldn’t really matter as my conclusion would be the same. I said the bishops and Lamb from CotL are immune to transmog. Unless I’m forgetting something no one in all of Hollow Knight ever shows this immunity like they do. There’s nothing in game showing The Knight wouldn’t be transmoged if the Lamb chose to use that move. The outcome stays the same.
@@rougarabid well, since the knight is a litteral god and you said gods seemed to be immune, and while there isn't anything proving that holds up I hollow knight, there also isn't anything disproving it either so at least in my headcannon it's just a forever brawl.
The gods in CotL. You’re trying to scale gods from Hollow Knight to gods in a completely different universe. Not how it works. Gods from different universes have different powers and operate on different rules.
Also I don’t have to disprove anything that has no evidence. It either is shown or isn’t. If it isn’t than it isn’t getting credit for something it’s not shown doing. The gods of CotL are shown resisting transmog. The gods of HK aren’t. It’s really as simple as that.
@@rougarabid fair I guess
Void doesn't have an E but other than that thanks for writing that comment so I don't have to
Bro forgot about the Shade Lord from Hollow Knight capable of destroying entire dimensions! Aside from that, yeah, he power scaled well, and this was a great video
Glad you enjoyed it. A response to comments video is coming out soon where I touch on this very point. Stay tuned.
Webber from Don’t Starve Together is canonically a villager in Cult of the Lamb, so he would at least survive, maybe not win in a fight.
Well he was killed then brought back and indoctrinated so not sure survive is the best word haha.
@rougarabid Considering he should be used to fighting and survival after his time in the constant, and has several options for resurrection, be it life amulet, meat effigy or others, he could probably last a long time. Only problem is that he has the mind of a child, in that he's probably easier to manipulate than others, and has a rather absolute view of good and evil. He could probably make allies with local spiders thought.
Something yall are forgetting is that the knights have some intense durablitiy and stamina. Through their entire adventure they dont seem to make more than one of two stops, meaning they are running the whole adventure without breaking a single sweat, you also gotta think that their magic is still gonna hurt like hell, and you gotta also remember the several unlockable characters who could possibly join them if you arent following the game rule of 4 players only, thats 28 characters, all on par with eachother when it comes to physical combat, obviously some with better magic than others but still. You gotta think also: their shields block anything, seriously anything, giant lasers, arrows, balls of electricity, strikes from enemies, a giant fucking death claw from the wizard. And you also gotta think, if this is max potential knights, they are level 99 max stats, the insane mod enemies are im guessing way stronger than a majority of the cultist enemies, so for the knights to be able to mostly easily kill the insane mode enemies really gives hope to them. Plus what says that the bishops cant be killed by swords? If we once again follow what i said about there being no 4 person restriction, thenknights could pull up with an army of 28 highly deadly warriors, and mostlikely rip and tear through the old faith lands, and by that extent possibly even kill a bishop or two.
Lands of the Old Faith Vs. Isaac with prep time
isaac with good rng
@@prettyradhandleisaac with rng manipulation
@@goodboi6329 lebron gif
And he'd get it, too. And considering this would likely mean he could set up his OWN church to Christianity while they're trying to stomp out The One Who Waits' foothold......
"What of the hairless child?"
'Leave him. Narinder's threat is far more potent than some bare-clad ape. We may stomp him and his powerless cult out once the real opposition is dealt with'
**One big church later**
'WHY IS THE SKY RAINING FIRE?!'
"I TOLD YOU WE SHOULD HAVE DONE SOMETHING ABOUT HIM SOONER!"
'OUR FOLLOWERS ARE JUST DROPPING DEAD NOW!'
"WHY IS ALL OF OUR FOOD ROTTING?"
'THE SEAS HAVE TURNED TO BLOOD!'
Give Isaac:
Sacred Orb
Brimstone
Rock Bottom
Sacred Heart
Cricket's Head
And an ungodly amount of Q3 and 4's (average Isaac UA-camr run) and he'll 101% solo everyone
As a Shovel Knight fan, I'm surprised you mentioned Shovel Knight in this setting where he gets to fight godlike beings and don't mention how he canonically beat Kratos from God of War. It may have been post GOW3, but I still think that should give him Bishop level at least
While I loved this video, you missed something big for Shovel Knight. You looked mainly at only Treasure Trove (and even then missed a few things). Shovel Knight Dig actually gives him something that id absolutely huge, a bottoe of tears that allows him to survive death while removing one of his hearts containers, and hypothetically in Shovel Knight Dig, you can have 132 heart containers, AKA, 132 Extra lives. Not only this, in Pocket Dungeon, he has abilities which can transmute a lot of the Lambs items into chickens, and bombs that would blow up on him, he can control the battlefield with over 80 hats, which he can wear all at once, he can start the fight by automatically dropping an anvil on his opponents and stop time at the first 20 seconds of a fight. Not only that, he can actually get above mountain level, specifically he has two feats that are Multi Continental, in both Treasure Trove and Pocket Dungeon, defeating a being corrupted by the magic of the Enchantress, which made a copy of the Valley of Landur (pocket dimensions essentially), which has been shown to be as big as multiple continents, and he survived the destruction of these pocket dimensions, meaning it's consistent with Shovel Knight. So yeah, Id say he could beat the island.
Just felt like getting this off my chest, great video, yet I disagree with a few things. Have a good day!
What the Lamb gonna do against a man that can wear 80 hats at once, I ASK YOU.
The mind control isn't as powerful as you make it out to be: Dissenters. Those who join your cult do so out of fear or gratefulness depending on the circumstances. The Transmogricon doesn't work on more powerful beings and most characters here would fit under that category, especially The Knight since it is the child of two gods.
Some of the lambs powers need a ritual to use, and the soul stealing ability requires the lamb to kill the target beforehand so he couldn't just outright steal Cuphead's soul. The brainwashing ritual only works on those who are already in the lamb's cult.
You can’t fail indoctrination in CotL. It’s not possible. People can dissent if you leave them in horrible conditions for to long but can always be brought back with more indoctrination regardless of how terribly you treat them. It’s not instant mind control and I never said it was but it’s damn powerful indoctrination.
Also a character resisting a power doesn’t mean all of that power level can. This isn’t DBZ. Power levels aren’t a thing. Some characters have the ability to resist transmog and some don’t. Hollow Knight has never shown the ability to do so so there’s no reason to assume he can.
@@rougarabid The characters you've listed have much greater willpower than those The Lamb indoctrinate. False equivalence. And like it said, it's only on those who are already in your cult, you can't indoctrinate enemies, unless you've already beat them in certain cases.
The infection is shown to transform it's victims and the hollow knight (another vessel) had the radiance in it for countless amounts of time before breaking. Besides, The Knight is shown to shape shift during it's shadow abilities and those are extended during it's shade lord form.
@@stuffstuff3455 The Old Hollow knight also only broke because the pale king messed up and showed it compasion making it feel emptions. It became impure unlike the knight we play who trully are of no mind or will.
@@TrixyTrixter Steel Soul Jinn who knows about the void says the knight has a will of it's own.
I honestly believe that Wilson from Dont Starve would be able to survive fairly easily. He's been subjected to shadow esq torture, is cabable of crafting "revive posts" out of his own beard, and would have no reason to do practically anything heroic other than "for science".
He has canonically died several times in the constant, and if he came to the lands of the old faith which is just as brutal (if not more) as the constant. Yeah Wilson would be screwed.
Stanley from The Stanley Parable would be a interesting one.
Since if The Narrator is included (Which is dependent on different things, and if he's not then Stanley is just a guy)
he has plot maniplulation and has been seen to effect other games outside of TSP. Also can just kill things, he made Stanley just die in one ending.
But great video, excited for a part 2 if there is one
Isaac already killed the Lamb in his own game.
The prisoner from dead cells would have a great time in cult of the lamb
I covered him in part 2
Bishops watching the funny lil skeleton go from the god of thunder to a demi god only to summon the gatekeeper of the underworld send his henchmen after them (this is the 4th time theyve killed him):
Shade lord absolutely demolishes radiance so the "it has no way of killing the radiance" is just untrue
Isaac would win simply because he canonically beat satan himself
So did Cuphead & Mugman
@@sophiasabkv1372 that was the devil.
Isaac beat The Beast of Revalations.
Plus... he can just redeem The Lamb and turn him to God. He was forced to side with Narinder in the first place and rebels against him at the end. He likely wouldn't be against turning on him if he could get away with it.
Figure he has the best chance given the use of Biblical characters
@@thewitchidolsachika6682 yeah satan
We 100% need a part two, awesome video dude
Actually... one thing came to mind just now.
This somewhat goes back to the discussion between game mechanics and lore but there is one thing that seems to be able to kill the lamb for good, and that is "to be forgotten"
If you have no cult in the game (as in, all your followers are dead), the lamb will die and not be able to revive as indicated by the fact that your savefile is deleted.
So, as unlikely as it is, the only way to truly kill the lamb is to kill everything except the lamb! A god with no followers isn't a god at all.
And this also somewhat points back to the knight being the best counter for the lamb.
Then again I'm just spitballing here.
No that’s very true. Didn’t bring it up because it wasn’t relevant as no one here had the knowledge to even attempt that or the power to wipe out the entire population of the island but yes perhaps I’ll mention it in part 2
@rougarabid isaac can erase followers from existing by using the eraser, even if the lamb attempts to resurrect them, they immediately die again.
Isaac can then use a chaos card on the lamb, finishing them off
I mean technically if we’re going off of gameplay the knight has killed several “gods” in godhome. All of them have been stated to be gods, and the radiance is confirmed to be one. And if we’re taking godhome as an actual place like you said, then these gods actually exist and were killed by the knight. I’d say the knight has a better chance by that logic, since the lamb is also a god in a sense.
The radiance especially is technically a being composed of thoughts, light, and dreams. Who else can literally kill those things.
Tecnicamente, son solo eso sueños, es algo impresionante sin duda, matar a alguien siendo este la verción idealizada, pero en mi opinion, el caballero no a llegado a matar a los dioses, solo versiones de lo que se cree que es un dios (por que solo peleamos contra estos "dioses" en el mundo onirico), sus asañas son imprecionantes sin duda, y tal vez su forma final pueda dar algo que hablar (pero no hay muchas asñas que lo respalden solo espexulaciones), pero su forma base full mejoras, no creo que lo pueda completar
@@gabrielmbx9253 For most of them I agree, but when it comes to the Absolute Radiance in godhome that is infact the true radiance. The god of dreams in its most perfect form killed in its own realm. By a single piece of the void, in this case the knight don't even get help from the rest of the void they end the god of dream completely alone.
17:34 The Skul might have a chance if he stumbles upon Shamura's skull. I recall it's an artifact that can be found
It can be once Shamura is killed which the Lamb did and took. It’s now in the possession of the Lamb. Skul would have to steal it from Lamb which would be practically impossible.
the mummy has a GUN
what would you do about a mummy with a GUN?!
@@lance499cry. Thats what, lay on the floor and cry, you don't stand a chance
@@rougarabid skul can dodge all attacks if they have a skill spam build with thief and the smokebomb ability which i think is quite a bit powerfull, and also considering they have acess to every skull and item combination (by that i mean that skul could come into the island with any ithing possible to get in the game with no cheats so he could get a skul duped or some items duped via the slime king npc or the treasure 4 inscription witch can dupe an item) it would probably make them able to be at least hurt a bishop quite significantly (by that i mean taking at least a quarter of a boss's health) and i also think that speculating a bit skul maybe could possibly flee of the island considering they have gargoyle which can fly so maybe they could fly away or they could (if they were determinated enough just swim to another place considering he is a skeleton and doesnt need to eat, sleep or drink water
(sorry for the wall of text, and my bad english because english is not my first language).
I think you forgot two things:
1) Cuphead defeated the Devil himself
2) The knight might not be a literal bug, but they are definitely tiny bug sized.
I didn’t. The Devil is definitely stronger than Glumstone but we don’t know by how much and the Devil himself doesn’t really have any feats we can look at to scale from. Glumstone is the clearest feat we have of Cuphead’s power level and as I said in the video The One Who Waits is the God of Death and has feats that dwarf Glumstone in power. Even though the Devil is stronger than Glumstone there’s nothing saying he would jump the gap enough to be comparable to The One Who Waits or the Lamb who is even stronger.
@@rougarabid ok, judeo-christian lore cartoonification aside, what about the knight being so stompable?
I didn’t say he’s so stompable. I said he’d destroy 99% of the island before getting beat by the Lamb in a long drawn out fight. Did you watch the video?
@@rougarabid yes, it's me who is saying that the knight is stompable. It's a tiny bug world.
@@Someone-dy5ui This isn’t for sure. It’s definitely bug themed but many have scaled real world objects in game to the knight and came the conclusion he’s about 1.5 feet tall while Radiance is around 8 feet. There are also other things like his weapon being called nail but not actually being a nail it’s clearly a sword, dirt is normal dirt sized and not huge grains like it should be, the floor is made of normal sized cobblestone and brick, buildings look normal made of normal materials, as far as I remember there’s never a point where you walk and see giant blades of grass or a massive shoe or anything like that. There really isn’t much that shows they are small except that they are bugs.
Also if he was that neigh it would make him MUCH weaker as Godhome would no longer be the size of a city but a backyard and The Knight would basically be irrelevant to the characters in CotL.
As a MASSIVE cult of the lamb fan, I would just like to say that I feel like you’re overestimating the lamb and the bishops.
Great video! I see you have put lots of effort into this one! Love to see it, keep it up!
Isaac’s strength depends on how lucky he is. Like, if he had gnawed leaf he would be immune to all damage by just standing still for 5 seconds
Your team on EBF5 (Matt, Natalie, Lance, Anna and NoLegs) would probably fare extremly well against everything and maybe even give the Lamb a run for their money
Stuff like, having a status effect that negates insta death, auto revives, coffee so strong it can raise the dead, all but one of them being so selfish that they're just not gullible enough into being manipulated, the idea of them being able to enslave enemies and summoning them in battle to aid you in some way.
In combat they have beated many minor deities, god himself, both godcats, and when fighting against the one that coded their universe into excitence, they presented a level of existence erasure resistance that was good enough to slow down their erasure into being able to defeat the guy, and lets not talk about how you reach that area like 20 levels before max level (lvl50) so you're not even at your maximun potential at that part of the game.
You even beated a glitch in the sistem that can oneshot you with any attack, and once again, it can be avoided with autorevive or morale (avoids 1hit kos) and don't get me started with all the stuff that they added on the version 2.0, the new gear and harder enemies just goes to show how op your team is when properly coordinated
The only issue i would see would be that, in the case of the angel (the player) not guiding their every move, they could be susebtible to brainwashing.
Another problem would be Midas, they wouldn't be able to undo the whole turning to gold thing, but they would most certainly be able to prevent it. And let me tell you that this guys are greedy enough to make Midas go angry if they even did something as mundane as walking in, atleast one of them would be drooling over.
In terms of spamable abilities, individually they can't spam them, but together they all have so much overlap in their coverage that 2 or 3 of then can do stuff like cleansing status effects, all 5 can heal, 2 can revive (plus autorevive) and summons just make everyone able to cover for everything
My conclusion: they would survive very well against anything and would give the Lamb a hard time in the case they are aided by the angel(player), if not, brainwashing would be their biggest issue
Damn someone else that knows EBF5, and yeah they are pretty OP, they can have not one but 3 gods on their side, not to mention they defeated the creator of their universe, multiple times
funny how you did the entire game mechanics vs lore thing on the one thing were the game mechanic is part of the lore(talking about hollowknight and the respawning)
Yeah I corrected myself in a response video.
In case you do not know the knight (from hollow knight) is way powerfuller than you said in the video have you even seen the DLCs he becomes the god of the void and that is only scratching the surface of the raw strength of the knight. But still nice video had a lot of good points in it this just itched me that's all this was put into a more sassy tone than it meant to be.
Nah you're good. How strong would you put him? I gave him about City since we don"t know the real size of Godhome
@@rougarabid theres some things against your whole "mindless knight" theory. first of all is this, the description of the void heart "An emptiness that was hidden within, now unconstrained. Unifies the void under the bearer's will." it states under the Bearer's will, the knight's will, which is contradictory with mindlessness.
another thing is the Hollow knight itself. it clearly failed, how could it other than having a mind? the white lady and pale king clearly aren't perfect, they wouldof kept their kingdom if so.
then theres this weirdness if you buy into the knight's mindlessness. if the knight is so mindless. then Why would they give the delicate flower to elderbug. you can do that totally unprompted, its not even remotely close to its intended destination, (its also a pain to do) so why.. why Totally unprompted?
overall i've seen two arguments against my view of this. one is that the pale lady and pale king said they were pure. that the white lady said they sensed nothing from you. so... great, two imperfect characters, one of which is quite a unreliable narrator, to the point that you can trick her into thinking you are ogrim.
theres also these snippets i've found interesting from the white lady. keep in mind i'm stealing this from fandom as i haven't played HK in awhile, and not looking to it right now.
"...That scent. Does another travel with you? Is that you Ogrim, my mighty Knight?
I cannot see you, but then time has clouded my eyes and I cannot see much. Even your booming voice falls silent upon me.
Only this small one I register, if maybe because it shares some piece of myself. This one stands clear upon a misted world.
Ah.... But my my, that potent smell does recall such joyous memory. Only a short moment we had together, compared to ruin now endured, but what shining times they were.
I am grateful you would visit, even if to see me in somewhat faded form."
"Dear Ogrim, I'm sure you saw Dryya on the way in? She's stood guard over me for so long.
Despite her hard front, she's always been a caring type. I'm sure she'll much enjoy a Knights' reunion."
the snippets above are from talking to her while wearing the defender's crest.
"Ahh! So it bears our once-fractured soul, now complete. Such strength, such resolve, such dedication! Is it more than simply a Vessel? I almost feel like I'm once again in the presence of my beloved Wyrm.
The Kingsoul... What is at the heart of it I wonder? If its curiosity wills it, it should seek out that place. That place where it was born, where it died, where it began..."
this is from the king soul.
"That pulsing emptiness... Truly, it has been transformed by the revelations it found.
Does it... feel anything? Triumph? Or hate? If it does, I cannot sense it.
The fate of our Kingdom, our Hallownest... that future belongs to you now."
this is from the void heart.
over all the way the white lady treats vessels is quite strange.
I’ve seen this debated before and the reason for that is because as you said it’s not entirely clear. The game tells us that he is hollow without any thoughts or emotions just one purpose and a will driving him forward towards that purpose. There are quotes that you mention that could point to that not being the case but it’s never made clear or confirmed one way or the other so until it is I’m gonna go by what the game tells me and not get to much into the ambiguity of it all. I admit though you could absolutely be right about this as there’s evidence for it but not proof.
@@rougarabid yeah that sounds like hollow knight. Basically all the lore here is like this, it's on a dark souls level of obscurity.
I feel like Frisk/Chara from Undertale could probably beat the lamb if they are determined enough, as respawning is very much lore in that world and just resets everything apart from a few characters memories. Although there probably wouldn't be any save points of the island, so they'll have to completely restart the entire adventure every time.
Edit: One thing I realized after writing this comment: I've seen people say in other comments that the lamb could be killed if he has no followers for a few days, and Rouga Rabid's explanation is that none of the characters would have the knowledge or conscience to pull that off. However, if Chara is on a genocide run, she would murder all of the followers just because she can then find out that deals with the lamb afterwards. If the lamb brings in more followers, Chara will just kill those too.
It's possible if they were determined enough they'd just manifest save points/respawn during the fight.
I mean, I'd argue Frisk could just bring htem away from their cult via SAVEing them, giving a non-lethal way to deal with the followers. Plus, the SAVE points are places that give rise to DETERMINATION in some way, so he probably COULD get them to show up.
You are so underated bro. Top tier content. The southern accent makes this really homey since I'm from Arkansas. Keep up the great work!
Louisiana. Good to see a fellow southern gent. Glad you enjoyed it.
38:32 theoretically, the knights shell could break and it becomes the shade lord which still has sentience and crush the lamb. Its shown that it can easily take out the absolute radiance, godhome, the godseeker and presumably hallownest. The lamb still could use the "fuck you your a bug now" but just as long as the shade lord can get in there then shade lord/the vessel could win
How’s he putting him down permanently?
You're underestimating Shovel Knight a bit. Yes, he has limited-time use of his various artifacts but you know what he can spam?
His shovel.
His shovel deflects not only magic but other things as well, and there's no limit to how often he can swing it. He can even deflect objects that would normally explode on impact and send them back to their user intact. Try it on Plague Knight's potions when you fight him. I like to call it Potion Tennis. You can actually defeat him with ONLY potion deflections.
I know Cuphead and Mugman were brought up as a maybe together, but what about Ms. Chalice? Her power level seems to be pretty weird given she's a ghost but she was depicted as an ancient goddess, called the legendary chalice and could reawaken that form to call forth ghosts to her aid and charms to take hits for her, she might be able to damage Lamb. I don't think she could beat Lamb, but I think if Cuphead can get to 2nd and Chalice is stronger than Cuphead, Chalice might be able to put up a pretty decent fight before ultinately falling to Lamb since she doesn't seem to be able to do that stuff while in the Astral Plane
Also the Knight does kill Abs Rad, its only normal Radiance that is brought down into the void. Also wouldn't Confessor Jiji prove that the Shades and reviving are there with lore too? Plus when the Knight because The Shade Lord or The Entity, it gains a lot more strength than just the normal Knight
I really liked watching this video! I haven't played many of these games, so I can't speak on the accuracy of your arguments and choices. I can however, say that you've introduced me to several interesting Indie games I'd never heard of before that I will absolutely be checking out ASAP, and motivated me to finally play some I've been procrastinating on for a while now! Thank you for such an entertaining video, and for shining a light on all these wonderful games!
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Keep it up!
About HK, the quote go's "no mind to think no will to break, no voice to scream in suffering"
The Voidheart's description disproves that
Shovel knight managed to beat Kratos, an encounter listed as canon
I think you underestimate the castle crashers a bit. They already took down a magic death god cult, it may be less powerful than these ones, but only one could do that easily. There’s 6. Not to mention every other trials they faced. A giant with laser eyes, a maniacal cyclops blinded by revenge, a necromancer that raised an army of corpses, an advanced mechanical contraction, an alien ufo, three factions worth of enemies, huge aquatic fish and cat monsters, Medusa, a robot than makes literally anything in his mind come to life, a god of ice, and a lot of other things
Isaac can literally just use eraser to insta kill the lamb and stop him from ever coming back
for the knight he can turn into shade lord witch is litterally unkillable like the lamb
No one is unkillable. Not even the Lamb you just have to find something that the character has no defense against. The Knight has no defense against transmog.
Except the fact that void can take any form. That's what happens with void dash, sharp shadow, or thorns of agony.
Any non void being would either be unable to use them, torn apart, or horrifically mangled.
Isaac would absolutely just join the Lamb's cult by choice
I personally you're selling Skul's original skulls a bit short. They can stop time, summon giant meteors, steal souls to power up, and on is just straight up the grim reaper.
I cover this in a response video.
Isaac can just pyromaniac and doctor Fetus and literally be unkillable
Good video though
In his world sure but those don’t stop anyone from ripping his soul out or indoctrinating him by dominating his mind. He doesn’t have any defense for most of the Lamb and Bishop’s hax not to mention it’s very unlikely he could actually damage them or put them down permanently even if he was fast enough to hit them which he really isn’t.
Bro was already indoctrinated in his own game 😭
@@rougarabidhe wasn’t able to be mind controlled by the siren
@rougarabid Isaac Still functions without his soul (the Lost) He will just be the Forgotten or Blue Baby. He doesn't need his soul or even need to be alive to kick ass.
I like to imagine Isaac's imediate reaction is to just use the eraser and erase something from existence.
Correction for the Knight’s power: shade room in the Colosseum of Fool proves he DOES come back, and after getting the Void Heart, the Knight has full control of the void. That means that after smacking the Lamb enough times, the Knight could just follow the following steps:
1. Drag the Lamb into a disadvantageous position.
2. Summon void to grab the Lamb.
3. Dream nail the Lamb.
4. Repeat the first two steps.
5. Turn into the Shade Lord (smaller form than in godhome).
6. Claw the Lamb to damn-near death, but not fully.
7. Do what was always meant to be done: consume the Lamb to gaim its power.
You see why the Knight is his world’s grim reaper?
How does it prove he can come back?
You ignored everything I said in the video about the Lamb like the fact he has invincibility and resistance to sealing so your plan for The Knight’s victory wouldn’t work. The Knight can be the Grim Reaper all he wants The Lamb is the God of Death.
@@rougarabidfrom my point of view there are too many details tied with the shade for it to just be a mechanic. It seemingly gets thrown aside when you die in the colloseum of fools, it stops attack you when you become one with the void, not to mention that steel soul mode (in wich death is permanent) has a completly different death animation.
And add to that the fact that in the void the sibling enemies (wich are just more shades) are the only enemies that respawn if you wait long enough.
@@rougarabidit depends if the void is there or not. That’s the only thing that would matter. The void is a truly destructive force. Also you talked about game vs lore mechanics, but you missed the lore of the void and shades. The siblings are infinitely respawning, and aren’t actually shown being able to die as they just come right back. The shades just return to the void and are reborn. And considering the void is the manifestation of the dark, it’s unlikely it would end. Even if the lamb could escape the void, the void is able to enter other dimensions, even someone’s own mind. The knight is functionally immortal.
@@rougarabidI mean the lamb beat the old god of death into submission and could kill him at that point so logically wouldn’t the knight be able to do the same
part 2 please, this idea rocks bro, and your welcome to make it however long you want my man real solid video easy sub.
For Hollow Knight: At the end of the game’s best ending, Ghost transforms into the Shade Lord, God of Void, after permakilling Radiance and taking control of the Void, which is at a higher level than even the Lamb in terms of power. The Lamb is just one lone, albeit extremely powerful, death god, while the Shade Lord is an eldritch being higher than even the Gods of the world of Hallownest, some of which have the same abilities as the Lamb, from death immunity to mind control. Ghost can and does, in fact, strip away the immortality of Radiance and actually permanently kills her, shown by the fact that the Infection the Radiance was spreading began to wane and disappear after that ending, which wouldn’t happen if she was still alive. But also, a pretty big beat to the Hollow Knight story is that those void creatures like the Hollow Knight, Ghost, and other shades, CAN in fact have feelings and emotions, and are not impossible to corrupt, just exceedingly and excruciatingly difficult. It’s the big miscalculation that the Pale King does not foresee which makes Radiance break through the Hollow Knight’s seal and keep infecting the realm. And Ghost goes out of its way to assist every non-evil character in need of help it comes across, even if the reward is not promised or is minuscule, and it can likely grieve over the fallen it was close to. So yes, Ghost is at least a little bit heroic and willing to punish evildoers if it can.
For Binding of Isaac: With every item in the game at his arsenal, Isaac can and will crash the simulation this whole cult island is in, even if it wasn’t a simulation in the first place lol. Not even the Lamb could survive permanent deletion of the entire universe lol.
But in all seriousness, Isaac can in fact resist mind control pretty well. The Siren boss comes to mind off the top of my head, who can control his minions, but never Isaac himself. Maybe Dogma could also have some sorta mind control to it, idk, but Isaac also breaks it off after defeating it in the cutscene transition to the Beast bossfight, then just turns it into a new power up to help him. Multiple items that Isaac picks up have themes that could involve inflicting mind control/brainwashing on either himself (mucormycosis, Parasite, The Intruder, etc), which he simply absorbs and handles to his own advantage, or his enemies (Confusion effects, Charm effects, Terror effects, etc.) Isaac also has full control of his own soul, with examples ranging from characters like The Lost, Blue Baby or The Forgotten, to items like Spirit Shackles, letting his soul roam free or control his dead body.
However, Isaac is not completely immune to dying or instadeaths. Isaac’s revives are very limited in number. Certain things like Damocles or Plan C outright kill him, no matter how much health he has, and special enemies like Dark Esau for T. Jacob, who can remove his soul from his body, leaving it vulnerable. But Isaac also has multiple items, effects, cards and game mechanics that render him completely impervious to all damage. (Gnawed Leaf, Tooth and Nail, Feels Like I’m Walking On Sunshine, Taurus, The Chariot card, Reversed Chariot card, Little Stump, Unicorn Horn, etc)
Lamb can manipulate souls but hollow knight doesn't have a soul 💀
Btw the knight IS a god so the thing where the lamb turns thing into bugs wouldn't work on him (btw he's like the personification of void)
The knight is void A.K.A nothingness, so if the Lamb can turn nothingness into critters, why doesn't he have an army of them?
Nothingness can’t touch and be touched. Shade Lord is clearly something and not nothing.
@@rougarabid But void IS nothingness and you cannot turn it into a critter.
fun indie characters that would get absolutely bodied, Cadence from Necrodancer, Every Gungeoneer, Frisk, Hat Kid, Darius from Party Hard, and Wilson from Don't Starve. Zero from Katana Zero would be stuck fighting the Lamb forever in his mind so I guess technically the only one who stalemates Lamb?
@1:45 buddy the fact you included little bone/skul in the intro makes us friends already.
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he also has krato's skull [a copy of it] in the mobile port
@17:00 some skulls come pre-maxed out [like the champions skull] though
the castle crashers are very loyal so they might join a cult and become stronger
The Crashers think alike like a hive mind that's my head lore, that's why they're together at all times and willingly spar together.
i don't think it's fair in the slightest to just say that Lamb can canonically respawn, and just cancel death, while everyone else can't. and only because there is no concrete evidence it happens. you seem to always assume the absolute worst scenario for every other character and absolute best scenario for the CoTL world. i never played the game but it's just stupid, and there is not much thrill to be had, if the Lamb wins by default. literally the only indie char i could think of that could beat the Lamb is the fallen child , who has the same bs power and would just keep insisting until the other gives up. i don't think there is much, if any reason to make this video if that's the case. you also just seem to never take into account how they get weakened after death despite mentioning it. wouldn't it be entirely possible for each of them who killed the lamb once just to mercillessly keep basically spawncamping them and further beating them down? especially given how the Knight for example doesn't suffer from fatigue.
In an indie crossover, the Lamb would make a great final boss
If I had to pick a character to survive and thrive on the island I’d go for the snatcher from a hat in time
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The lamb didn't just beat the one who waits in single combat, he also beat BOTH of his guards back to back before then defeating him which makes that feat even more insane
i belive if he wanted to, The Knight could rise up to The Lamb level of power
Edit: it's suggested that The Knight becomes a Void God if he defeats Radiance in Godhome
I feel like the knight should just be an outright tie. Mainly cause we see from God home that the knight becomes the shade lord to finish absolute radiance.
This would either mean at his peak either he truly destroyed radiance or truly sealed it. Either way we see that the shade he produced can infect all the way to near the surface from the junk pit. If we scale them up given it'd be unfair otherwise we could say physically they're matched via the lambs hax stopping basic death. Though in their true forms they will either match eachother or the knight's void could could very well infect and override the lamb similar to the god home bug.
Okay but Skul literally has the Grim Reaper and skulls that drop meteors along side True form Fairy Kong etc. Dude has beaten his way out of a dimension when trapped in it not to mention stock liling Dark abilites to be broken even faster. Imagine fighting Thor The Grim Reaper and the final form fairy king all at once or a quick ability cooldown Carleion Sragent spamming Servants.
Also dodge light Beams from Bishop
Also throw Frisk/Chara in the ring see how they do
What do they have they can take on the Lamb? I see this kind of argument a lot. Character A has this so how can he lose but they can’t say the exact way Character A will take out Character B. Yes Skul is powerful. Lamb still resists literally every power he has and doesn’t have any resistance for half the lamb’s hax. He can mind fuck him, he can throw him in a prison dimension that Gods who have the power to travel between dimensions can’t escape from, he can rip out and absorb his soul, he can turn him into a critter and just step on him, he can send him to hell, he can steal his life force, he can curse him with hunger, madness or even death, etc, etc. Skul doesn’t have a way around most of these. The lamb can straight up stop people from resurrecting and when he doesn’t and people he kills do resurrect they come back with their bodies still having taken the damage they had in their previous life because the damage the Lamb does to someone stays with them forever.
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Skul has a few ability's when combined with the right items or dark abilities are instant kills and Grim Reaper has been shown to absorb souls to strengthen himself. So couldn't Skul use max power Reaper and Dominator combo etc combined with absolute 0 [Ice skull etc] to buy enough time along side their revenge ability 2nd life [You can stack up to 5 lives in game with right rng] etc to survive long enough to take Lambs soul? Also if planned right he can bring 2 Suns / Moons to the Battlefield never seen Lamb tank those.
As for Frisk/Chara they deleted and remade a timeline at their peak and tanked blows from someone with a infinite attack stat.
The necromancer from castle crashers would be more than happy to live there.
That would legitimately be interesting. I’ll add him to the list.
Everyone of the casting of cult of the lamb when the elemental warriors gets level 256.
Similarly to shovel knight, lamb also has time stop as a relic.
I think Isaac has more ways to actually defeat everyone in the island. If we include synergies, the chaos card/blank card synergy makes this even worse for them. Another item Isaac could use is the Eraser. In game, it completely erases that enemy for the whole run, so it works similarly to chaos card, just reusable. Book of virtues also can be used with blank card and eraser.
The knight in one of the endings becomes a god/creature of darkness
One thing to consider is the eraser, I think
It doesn’t just erase the enemy Isaac hits with it from existence, it erases EVERY enemy of that type
Depending on how generous you are with what constitutes an “enemy type”, Isaac could delete the entire cults before even meeting a bishop or the lamb
And since their power at least partly comes from the cults they maintain, it might in theory depower them enough for Isaac to pull through
Of course, what exactly that would entail is hard to say, since we never see anyone have their cult yanked out from under them like a tablecloth in that game
There very much is lore for The Knight being able to respawn, and he does kill the absolute radiance at the end of Godhome
The Lamb boss in the Dark Room:
I think that cuphead might be able to ignore the lamb's soul absorption ability, simply because of how conscious cuphead's soul is. Sure, the lamb can easily beat an unconscious incorporeal soul, but cuphead's might be able to fight back.
They aren’t unconscious. They are shown flying around and reacting to being absorbed.
"most cultists are immune to poison do the green knight's magic is worthless" uh, yeah, but the green knight's magic was already worthless to begin with. He's used to it
for the critter form the knight would prop slowly recover over time because of hive blood, and he could also focus to recover, since it can have all charms equipped at once.
He wouldn’t be him anymore. He wouldn’t possess any charms, he wouldn’t have hive blood, he wouldn’t be made of Shade. He’d literally just be a little critter same as all the others. He wouldn’t even keep any form of intelligence. For all intents and purposes he’d cease to exist.
Seeing someone playing isaac with a filter always hurts
Also I would say, the Lamb and the Knight would just vibe
During the entire discussion of the hollow knight
they didn't mention that he literally became a god
A god of something ancient, as well as a light-deity of darkness/emptiness/abyss
And you know? These are MUCH greater and higher rank things than any god in the Lamb cult
Heres the thing though, you are treating the lamb like he's already beaten and absorbed all the one who waits powers but in that case all the bishops and the one who waits would beed to have been defeated but then you have the challenger still need to face them.
This just randomly popped up in my recommended and I watched the whole thing. I thought it was a really good video. The hollow knight portion was my favorite.
Glad you enjoyed. I decided to make it a series and am currently working on part 2 so stick around if you want to see more.
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Kirby would be interesting, there's so many ways he could handle the situation of being thrown onto the island. While his Warp Star is always available to him, not all of his powers are. Many people like to downplay Kirby's accomplishments by saying he had to use a powerup to defeat the final boss, but that's the thing... Kirby's adaptable, he ALWAYS has something to defeat the villains of his games because his power is transferrable. When he goes into the Robobot Armor, his sheer power transforms the mech to allow it to do things it can't normally do. Landia suddenly becomes much stronger and changes to shoot stars instead of fireballs when Kirby is on top of them. Kirby doesn't have any dimension warping powers but his enemies sure do and he's shockingly resistant to them.
As for manipulation, Kirby is pretty fallible, he trusts people very easily even if they're much weaker than him and helps them do things they can't do themselves. But, he usually figures out he's doing the wrong thing eventually, and always defeats them in retribution.
Of course, his copy ability is ever growing. He can get abilities that deal tremendous damage, allow him to teleport, and become temporarily invincible. Any smaller cultist that fights him will either get eaten or decimated by his power, but the bishops many be able to avoid his strength by manipulating him.
I think the knight is one of the only characters who can stand up to the lamb directly they are very similar in power and it would be one hell of a fight
I want to point out that the shade from the knight can not die, it was shown in Dream no more ending that even though their shell is destroyed the void still remains, they might stop attacking, but the shade will forever stay in the place where killed plaguing COTL world
edit : I'd also like to ad that the uncontrolled void is literally poisonous to both regular creatures and higher beings ( as we see in the abyss, white palace and that random bug in Queens' palace)
another fun thing the knight probably couldn't beat Calamari, not because of strength, but because the knight can't swim underwater
11:34 the Castle Crashers can resuscitate one another at remarkable speeds and so can actually last a long time, given they don't meet with any of the higher threats. Also if we are to consider them at their ABSOLUTE best, that would be maxed stats. They become notably bulky, can fire arrows like the bow's a machine gun, run decently fast, and of course hit hard. They can (and will) easily make up for their offensive weakness by playing the long game, as is how you play the hard mode of Castle Crashers. If they lay low and don't get the negative attention of any of the big guys I'm sure they'll be just fine.
you forgot something
1 the knight turns into shadow god at the end of god home ending
2 all the bosses in god home are considered gods.
(also rouge like characters are kind of op in this because in rouge like games your not supposed to have all of the abilities at the same time)
I made a response video where I touch on this very thing and yes Rouge like characters are fuckin broken in vs battles.