WORLD PREMIER! (maybe?) Bigtreetech Pad7 setup and initial impressions. Is it the Sonic Pad Killer?
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Hey Feral,
Just lost an SD card to a hardware failure and had to redo this whole process. Changing the system.cfg file no longer rotates my screen! Any idea of a command I could use to fix this? I've asked Klipper and BTT communities and no-one seems to know.
@@thejoetandy make sure you removed the # next to the rotate command and are using left and right, not 90 and 270.
Email me a copy of the cfg so I can verify that it's correct. theferalengineer@gmail.com
I just got my PAD7 and I cant see the WEBCAM (usb) featured "ON" on my computer...
I don't have any experience with setting one up because I don't have one. Sounds like it's something I may have to invest in
Thanks for a great review! Ive been waiting for as close to a plug and play system to come out that wasn't a nerfd version if klipper.
You'll really like it
You prefer to run UART rather than USB... what are the advantages of that?
The USB basically decodes the signal to uart for the main board anyway, so that gets taken out of the mix and it eliminates the USB cable from the front of the machine, which just looks better aesthetically. Uart is also more reliable than USB on these boards, per Makerbase.
Instant follow. Great delivery all around.
Thanks for this detailed video. Very informative and I think the sonic pad makes most sense for me and my Ender 5+.
Both would do the job. The setup wizard night be easier on the ender, but ultimately, you'd be running propriety firmware on a more expensive unit to perform the same tasks. It's totally up to you, though.
Not a fan of the sonic pad, returned mine after 2 weeks! The pad 7 is not perfect but blows the sonic pad away!
Pad 7 is the same price though.
@@rickyricardo3551 pad7 goes on sale for $115 and has a binary compiler that is more conducive to working with non-creality boards.
This Pad 7 is crying out for a sleeker 3d-printed housing… it’s so chunky lookin
Sonic pad and speeder pad wouldn't win any beauty contests either.
They uploaded a zip of the exterior case on their GitHub page. Might make a cool remix project 🐱🐱
Got one a few days ago. After 10+ hours of work, its working, probably as good as my printer worked with Octiprint after maybe an hour's work. I'm not sure if my pad was returned by someone else or not. It did boot up like yours, but the install was messed up. Can you go to System, then auto-update everything? Mine didn't. I followed the minimal does from BTT, downloaded the latest image, and that one was messed up also. Had to uninstall it all and reinstalled everything, and now it works, mostly. It seems to freeze now and then. Overall, its a oversized Octoprint. For a bed-slinger, CR-6 SE with a BTT board, not a lot of speed or quality gains are possible. The big color screen is nice, but I access things remotely mostly anyway. In fact in one way its worse than before. Before I could save on an SD card and print from that. Not possible anymore. Maybe it can print from a USB stick? So if you are going to buy one of these, ask yourself why. Maybe you can't find a Raspberry Pi I guess.
I'd contact BTT about it. I didn't/don't have any of these issues, so you might have a dud. Did you run resonance tuning and do pressure advance tests? Klipper isn't "plug in and be twice as fast", it requires a little work. I can print two times as fast with better overall part quality pretty consistently on my machines after some basic tuning and since I like to tinker, klipper offers more streamlined tweaking and tinkering because there's no having to change, compile, change, compile, repeat... You simply modify printer.cfg. As far as printing from external media, you should be able to print from usb. I'd even go as far as to say you could print from sd with a usb adapter, but i haven't tried. All of my prints are sent via WiFi. My issue with Octoprint was it was either you could run from the screen or from octoprint. You couldn't have both. With klipper, overall integration is much better, imo.
sonic pad is NOT limited to what Creality want you to have, that is an urban myth propogated by you tube sites
It doesn't like exclude object, that's for sure 😀
No but they did steal the firmware and use it out side the licence
@@XA-JJKILLERs makerbase did the same with the mks pi
It does not work on Anycubic printers without soldering on the motherboard..
You Lost me word wise after the 1st few words of setting up the config? I have the Elegoo Neptune 3 and now the Elegoo Neptune 3 Max,
I wish to set the pad 7 up to control both.
I managed after allot of trouble and tech help videos to at last get the Klipper internet page where you can control the print from up and going!
But, now I have all what you been typing in and very easy for you since you know all this special wording and where it goes.
I have zero klipper skills or knowledge so how can I even get this now working with those two printers ( And I still have two other printers to try to do ) the Aquila & a QQ-S Pro Delta.
So Help.. what is the step by step easy way to set up this klipper thing? Thank you for your help.
This is not a step by step tutorial. I've gone over the fine details of setting up klipper in many other videos.
My two most prevalent videos are "installing klipper the easy way" and my reviews of the cb1 and the inovato quadra. You'll find basically everything you need in those videos. This video was an overview of the pad7 and to show how easy it is when using my available configs.
Let me know if you have any questions. I've been known to go as far as logging into teamviewer to help get things going.
picked mine up for $99 presale! It seems very nice. Should be a good fit for my klipperized Tronxy.
Hope the video helps!
Is the Klipper Binary for the Neptune 3 Max the same for the Sonic pad and for the Pad7? Thank you.
The binary should never change. Only time it needs to be updated is when the version of klipper gets too new. That's why I always suggest building your own. It takes seconds.
I HAVE AN ENDER 6 WITH A BTT OCTOPUS v1.1 AND THE BTT PAD 7 THAT I AM TRYING TO SET UP. DONT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT KLIPPER. ANY HELP WOULD APPRECIATED. THANK YOU
Watch my "installing klipper the easy way" and cb1 review videos for some basic knowledge of how to get started. Then, you'll have to compile the proper binary for your board and flash it. The rest of it is pretty much the same. Let me see if I can find the make menuconfig info for your use case
Thanks for the very detailed info! Could you make a video on how to add web cams to the pad 7?
I might be able to do that. I don't have a camera to set up, but I'll see what I can do
I have a 10S Pro and want newer technology to help my print processes. quality and speed. I am NOT a programer. I have Pi4 and Octoprint only because a a friend helped me install. I also have Micro Swiss DD and Hot End, BL Touch and Garolite Bed. Just what impact would the competed conversion to the PAD 7 provide. And would I want to use my Pi 4 in place of the supplied Processor. I hear upgarde to Pi4 but not clear explanation the benefits. I have one printer and need to reliably print high quality parts fast. I use the machine for R&D parts as well as Product for resale train parts. I can not afford failed prints or poor quality or 25mm/s max print speed. I know about lighter beds, Linear rails, hotter Hot Ends, but If i can add things over time, is it best to start here and pay for tech support. Tiny Machines offered 2 hours of on line setup for $100 if i buy the Pad 7 from them for $140. Can they do the set up in 2 hours?? I can and want to go ahead but I don't ever want to do this more than once. Do i still use OctoPrint??? Or is there Klipper functions that replace it? Thank You, Now can you do a print performance comparison for Pad 7 versus Stock versus Pi and Octoprint Versus Sonic Pad Versus 4.2.7 upgrade mother board plus Pi and OctoPrint??????? Its a little messy for us Users not PhD In Geekoid! Thank You Dennis in Virginia at You Tube, Frankentrain Laboratories.
How funny, I'm in Virginia right now as well but heading back to New Jersey in a little while.
If you have a pi, you don't need a pad7. You can install the kiauh script on your pi and install klipper from there. Then you'd only have to flash the board binary file for your printer and load the proper config file. You can even continue to use octoprint on klipper, but it's more resources intensive than the other webui available (fluidd or mainsail). After a proper setup and tuning, the machine will be able to achieve better quality prints at higher speeds. Conservative numbers are about 2x as fast, but it depends on your filaments as well.
I should start charging for my tech support. I'm constantly doing it for free 😂😂
I cannot get my pad7 to connect without errors? It says klipper disconnected?
What printer do you have? Did you compile a new board binary?
No, not a sonic pad killer. Sonic Pad is plug and play, and that's what the consumer market want. Big Tree is dick around setting it up and not, as you claim, plug and play (Read your comments for a good example of people frustrations with it, they think you're BTT Tech support lol)
Sonic Pad is the Sonic Pad killer. All/most next gen 3D Printers will start to be rolled out with Klipper pre-installed avoiding the need for an external pad. Most people don't care for Klippers super-extra features (but they will come to the pad eventually).
And Marlins goose is pretty much cooked I think.
It's not plug and play for Elegoo printers. Their make menuconfig doesn't have the necessary bootloader offsets and the sonic pad uses modified software. I prefer using something that runs a public version of Klipper, has the full make menuconfig options and a library of predefined cfg files for multiple makes and models.
I do agree that as klipper gains popularity, these devices will slowly go away, but there will be a market for them for the foreseeable future in the millions of Marlin based systems that can be changed over to klipper easily.
The Sonic Pad does not work for Anycubic printers so is a big market for them.
@@petercallison5765 I know, but it doesn't matter. The fact a big manufacturer has adopted Klipper means they'll all have to, or be left behind. Hence no more Sonic Pad, or any pad will be needed.
$130 to double or triple the speed on my stock N2S and N3 is a pretty compelling argument. There are tons of non klipper machines that aren’t just going to disappear because new machines come out. There will be a market for this for a while.
@@markhenderson5455 plus it'll run 3 or 4 machines, so you can split up the cost that way. You don't have to go fancy. Just get a btt pi and run 3 printers for 12 dollars each
Man I could have used this 2 days ago. As a full on newb it was a lot of reading on the klipper documentation site. Follow and bell for sure. Thanks!
I have a Sonic Pad and keep hearing of the horror stories thinking of changing it out for the Pad 7, what's your take?
Pad7 fit my needs better than the sonic pad, but I've heard there's community firmware that eliminates Creality from the sonic pad, so it might be worth trying to find
@@TheFeralEngineer that's what I'm thinking, but also hardware wise the sonic pad has lots of flaws, specially the USB ports
@@manuel509rios yeah, I heard they loosen up pretty badly. I haven't had this issue with the pad7. I prefer the pad7, personally.
can it be directly wired to the 24v supply
Yes
Well, I was going to upgrade my Ender 3 v1 to a BTT E3 mini v3 board, but it looks like it’s pretty complicated to use the SonicPad and the Pad7. I’m really not sure if I’m up for it.
It's only hard the first time you do it. After that, it gets progressively easier. Luckily, there's a wealth of knowledge available to get you going 😀
For some reason, I do not have the bed leveling icon or the input shaping icon on my configuration screen. Did I do something wrong? I am using the klipper firmware for the skr mini e3v3.0 on an ender 3v2. Thank you!!
The buttons and options are usually created when the correct section or macro is created in printer.cfg, other times they don't come up in KlipperScreen but work in the webui
Wow amazing wow thanks for the amazing g review I am buying bestttttt man
great video, side question here. What LEDs do you have on the side v-rails and how do you have them powered?
It's just 24v LED tape strips that I got from Amazon wired to a switch and connected straight to the PSU. I bought a similar, premade set from a company, but then they raised the price, so I started making my own.
@@TheFeralEngineer very nice, I definitely need to add more lighting to my Ender 3pro
I could do a quick overview of the setup if you'd like
@@TheFeralEngineer that would be nice. Just trying to figure out how other people would wire the lights up. Like they say “the more you know”
Finally Got it to connect, but having trouble setting up the adxl sensor, how do I access the boarding.txt configuration file? Trying to enable spidev1_1. Or does the input shaping work out of the box? Just trying to follow the steps in the manual. Can u post you're config file? Oh and I’m setting up klipper on a kobra max, I’m new to klipper so be easy on me! 😅
You can access the files either by ssh or by putting the sd card into your computer and opening the boot folder and accessing them there
You have to enable the spidev in the config files then change printer.cfg to reflect it.
I just use my same base cfg from my github page and change the little things to be device specific. I'm on the road until Sunday, so I can't send anything.
@@TheFeralEngineerok well I ended up ssh into the boarding.txt and it looks like spidev1_1 is already enabled? Unless I'm doing something wrong? It reads "overlays=ws2812 light mcp2515 spidev1_1", does that not mean it's enabled?
i must be losing my mind but, i put the sd card into my printer and it doesnt update firmware, just boots as normal
@@WNxSect is the binary file formatted and named correctly? On a lot of newer machines, having the screen connected causes issues.
nevermind im just dumb apparently, got it. now to figure out how to turn off the led and make it load and unload, says macro not found
@@WNxSect if you're using my cfg files, there should be two sections that you can switch between depending on the device you're using
@@TheFeralEngineer just to confirm, im using the neptune 3 plus config file from github
@@TheFeralEngineer to confirm, i am using the neptune 3 plus config from your github page, im new to this stuff but slowly figuring it out. Thanks for your response, your videos are amazing.
Watching this as I have the Neptune 3 max on order and was looking at a sonic pad. The Brits wont be happy as they legally need fused plugs.
Neptune 4 pro ordering drops tomorrow!
Thanks for the overview. been waiting for more info on the pad7.
What would the performance of this pad be with a cm4? And, if it's an improvement, what cm4 to get?
No real huge performance gains with one or two printers set up. Not really worth spending the money on it unless you have a real need. The cb1 does the trick just fine. If you have issues running 3 printers at once or cameras, then it's time to look into upgrades
thanks for this video,it helped me allot. its the first time for me using klipper and the btt pad7. i am using a cr10v3/skr-mini-E3v3/hemera-revo
but can,t get the printer to connect. so need to keep searching
Hope you got it working!
yes up and running 😄@@TheFeralEngineer
Thanks"! Excellent Job .
The one thing that both of these devices need is GPIO.
Completely agree. I've passed this along to bigtreetech as a suggestion for v2 if that ever happens.
You could use a pi pico if needed as well
@@TheFeralEngineer How would a Pico be connected? Through one of the USB ports on the Pad7/Sonic Pad?
@@imacmill correct. You designate it as a secondary mcu in klipper and it gives you access to the additional gpio pins
I got mine in the UK from Biqu in China. Its a nice bit of kit but for the life of me.. I cant get it to Connect to the Sky wifi so theres nothing I, a novice can do. Ive fitted a known to work ok Antenna and flashed the ssid password but still nothing. Cant really return it either.
Here in the UK, I had to buy a new Broadband router, They wont work with SKYs router even on 2.4ghz setting. Its finally updated everything after reflashing it twice. Still cant log into it or actually use it. Im waiting for PiHut to drop me a line for the Raspberry 4b module and use it as a screen for that. Hopefully it isnt a total loss. Ive spent a fortune on BTT/Biqu products and their support is shocking.
Sorry to hear ☹️. Have you tried it hard wired?
@@TheFeralEngineer Yeah, Tryed and Putty still cant find it even when hard wired. It is connected to the wifi according to the Pad though. Thats what i dont get. Put the ip address in Putty thats displayed on the Pad but nothing shows up, tryed winscp too and Angry IP. None of them find the pad IP. It has to be a duff CB1 so a nice CM4b upgrades going to be worth it.
Thanks for you video. I am happy with my Sonic Pad and I dont think that I'll switch to the Bigtreetech Pad7.
Thanks for the comparsion at the end. I think I am not enough into tech enough to need the more open solution :)
It would be a lateral move now that you're up and running with the sonic pad. All good 👌👌
Same. Sonic pad for me and my Ender 5+. The BTT setup makes my head hurt.
Hey man! Love your videos! Love from Romania!
After updating everything works fine but the touch screen is buggy. When not connected to the printer the Touchscreen works fine but when i connect it to the printer no matter where i touch on the physical screen the response is off by alot, like i cannot click on the menus on the bottom right for example. Any info on that?
I've not run into that issue. Try forcing resolution in the config files and see if that helps. I explained that briefly in my cb1 video
@@TheFeralEngineer I tried that but it didn't seem to work. I will refund this unit maybe i got a bad one. Any more ideias I can try before refunding ?
@@38587120 have you tried to contact BTT technical support?
@@TheFeralEngineer I i'm trying to contact them, already sent an email like 4 days ago. Do u have any clue on what could be the issue?😥
Thanks for the overview.
I would like to know if we are able to connect and host multiple printers from one Pad 7.
Yes you should be able to connect 2, maybe 3 with the cb1
@@TheFeralEngineer I'm glad to hear that , My BTT pad 7 arrived today .
I have only one printer funcional a configured ,how i add another ..
On sonic pad is in web interface change printer...Thanks o lot .
I'm literally a newbie in the world of 3d printing. And right away I found this channel that introduced me to two very interesting things "z axis upgrade" and klipper lol. The question is, is it worth assembling my pi3 or do I buy this toy already complete lol?
That's a tricky question... Depends on how much tinkering and printing you want to do before you get up and going 😆. Welcome to the addiction! 🐱🐱
@@TheFeralEngineer Oh my idea and the purest fun and learning. So I'm going to get that plug and play experience. Would it be too much to ask for you to make a video teaching how to calibrate E-Steps in klipper? pardon my English. translator unfortunately.
Use the link in the video description if you order one 😊😊
I use an online calculator, but maybe I'll actually learn how to do it for once 😆😆
Great review. Just ordered one.
Thanks, Phil!
I have never set up one of these before. I have the pad 7 booted up right now, but dont know what to do after having connected to wifi and updated everything in the system menu. Do i have to do what you did in this video? If so, what program is that you are using?
I have a few videos you can reference, installing klipper the easy way on an mks pi, installing armbian and Klipper on a libre Renegade, cb1/pi4b review and i did another video on the renegade, but I'm not sure how in depth that one was
Basically you need to either install a program called putty or learn how to ssh into the device through windows command prompt and use a program called winscp to navigate through the files and folders
The top things to learn are:
Ssh into device
Access and use make menuconfig
Use winscp to transfer compiled binary
I guess I should do a dedicated video on these fundamentals, but my current videos cover all of them, it's just kinda piecemeal
@@TheFeralEngineer I'll see what I can learn from your previous videos. I'm attempting it right now, and may give up for the night. I am using my browser through the ip address of the pad, and have only updated everything, and changed the printer.cfg for my printer. at the moment I get a mcu 'mcu':unable to connect error.
Make sure you compile a fresh bin through make menuconfig, replace the accelerometer stuff with the info on the pad 7 page and make sure that the mcu section serial is set to /dev/ttyUSB0
@@TheFeralEngineer Sounds like I need to spend some time on the basics. It's been years since I've messed with config files for Marlin, and now I just wanted one of my printers to run klipper, but have never done this. Sounds like getting klipper onto my stock CR-10 board is step one. I'm very rusty at this and forgot that step.
@@alanbacklund9525 if you need help, shoot me an email and install TeamViewer on your computer. We can coordinate a remote session
theferalengineer@gmail.com
Thanks for doing this... Would you know if its possible to use the sonic pad adxl345 on a rpi with a PS/2 to usb adapter?
that i'm not too sure of. i'm thinking the pinout may not play well with USB. My only guess for why they used the PS/2 is because they're probably cheaper than shiba inu coin. My best guess would be to just get a PS/2 breakout board and connect the 5v, gnd, scl and sda to the GPIO on the rpi. Is there a specific reason you would want to do all of this vs just buying a pack of ADXL345s for a few bucks and making your own connections? I did it with some dupont connectors and some CAT6 wire
@@TheFeralEngineer Mainly due to the fact that I have a screen on the pi and dont really want to keep it connected all the time (asthetics). Just wanted it for ease of use like the sonic pad.
@@barrettm.9918 you don't have to keep it connected all the time. I just disconnect mine when it's not in use
@@TheFeralEngineer Thats true, would probably get a bigger screen than what I have now (Marlin & octoprint days) and that would require printing a different enclosure...
What are the connectors I would need if I were to use the sonic pad accelerometer and connect it to a pi via gpio pins using some ethernet cable? It would be nice if I could have tails coming off of the gpio's leading outside of the case, and can just color code those for quick connection.
Then I could have the best of both worlds, just have to do a cable swap between the two devices.
Really appreciate all the insight.
@@barrettm.9918 one of my Facebook group moderators used an rj45 breakout and uses an Ethernet cable to hot swap his adxl in and out.
For the sonic pad one specifically, you need a PS2 breakout and dupont connectors to plug into the gpio. I'm not sure exactly where each pin is on the gpio but I'm guessing you'd need to tap into the spi pins and the 5v/gnd pins. It's cheaper to get a regular adxl rather than the creality one