Absolutely worth the visit, sex, intercourse, fornication and making love are 4 different things, serving different purposes. My humble thought is only maturity gives you the insight to see that we've been led to the intellectual definition and wrong answer, because the computation is wrong based on a European romantic ideology. We don't need superficial Roman antics, our way of thinking was family, intimacy, seeing into your mate and reciprocally meeting their needs. This was stripped away by a false money system of welfare and following a Govt Ordnance Dept, masquerading as source provider and false god, because we were led to forgot our own intelligent and natural way. We must allow ourselves to bring back the love and learn to ignore the beguiling interruption. 💚Pax Amore et Lux. 💚
"A cop is a cop. He may be a very nice man, but I haven't got the time to figure that out. All I know is he has a uniform and a gun, and I relate to him THAT way."
He has said something similar before, saying he understands white people by their institutions, he doesn't know if the school district is run by racists but he knows black kids and white kids get different textbooks. So he defines things based on results and works backwards
Nikki passed away yesterday Dec. 9. I hope that generations more will keep learning gratefully from her thought, her work, and all the ways she gave and gave to us, including this outstanding conversation.
@londonbowcat1 why are you asking me? But since you did, no, it's not hate speech. She specifically said, I don't "like" white people which is a common feeling for Black people during that time and now based on their behavior towards Black people. Stop trying to stir the damn pot. The better question would be to ask YOURSELF why she said that.
The discussion about black men and their role in the black community is so fascinating. I'm not black, but I can see both sides of the debate here. Nikki is frustrated by the issues around black fatherhood and black husbands, and violence in families and black men leaving their families etc, and James is expressing that the horrors which have been enacted on many of those men has made them unable to be nice, family men. They are traumatised and they have been emasculated, and made to feel lesser by white people. This understandably warps their sense of self, and then impacts those who love them very badly in many cases. It's such a deep, nuanced conversation.
Respectfully, I agree & disagree with your observations. BWomenKids weren't excused from social injustices & trauma. Bad things weren't reserved just for Bmales, so allowing BMales to DISMISS the fact that BWomenGirls went through the SAME horrors & problems, at the SAME time as they did is harmful. BCulture's gaslighting many generations of BWomen has gone on way too long. I'm a BWoman that is very glad this mindset has/is finally coming to an end.
@@beeznhoney4323 Fair enough. That's a really interesting response and gives me a lot of food for thought. Thanks for being an intelligent person on the internet, responding to a comment in good faith.
@@beeznhoney4323 exactly, Black women also went through their own horrors and still managed to show up for their kids, family, community and BLACK MEN.
With this online social media culture, that's often geared toward "owning" someone you don't agree with, I don't even know if it's possible in a public forum.
This is hard to find these, black intelligent conversation, what we have is 2 intelligent black individual. Nikki Giovanni is so beautiful and very well educated, I admire her so much.
Today is November 21, 2024. I am 70 years old. I had forgotten this conversation which I saw many years ago. I remember Nikki because she came to my high school as a senior. I was writing poetry at a young age. Words always floating around me and when I heard heard it was music in my ears as a young Black Female in the early 1970's. She helped me to embrace that part of me and James awaken my senses to what was going on around me. I read his books going up in High School. Young people I am glad you are listening and hope this is a teachable moment as it has re-taught and inspired me all over again.
Came here after watching a now 80 year old Nikki Giovanni speak today. She is remarkable and has been for a very long time. She is still as quick witted, articulate and amazing today as she was in this video.
2024 years since the year of our Lord Jesus Christ truly graced us with His presence and death/atonement for our sins. He is truly to be worshiped and praised.
The respect they have for each other is profound.Nicki seems enthralled by James.The ability to be poised, excellent mannerisms. Talk,laugh,listen. No clash of egos.The way a father and daughter would talk.The gems dropped in this conversation is timeless wisdom..
I'm a 42-year-old white man who found this conversation extremely enlightening. I have similar experiences in my own relationship with my wife. We're similar in many ways as white people. I have had this conversation with my wife. She has asked me many times to be the same person to her that I am towards my co-workers, and I have given her the same reason James gave. I can't seem to fake it with her the same way I can with the rest of the world. I also lowered my defenses as a white man and sincerely listened to the conversation. I was able to understand where a lot of black people feel like they're coming from. I can imagine that perspective. I can't quite articulate what I learned, but it was incredibly enlightening.
You probably see the similarities because of classism. As the gap between rich and poor widens. Middle-class America will begin to see the game being played on all of us. Black and White. All of us really just trying to secure a future for our children. ✊🏾
You said you “lowered your defenses as a white man and sincerely listened to the conversation.” Please elaborate on that as I was not aware white have their defenses up.
“ I don’t like white people and I’m afraid of black men… what do I do? Nikki it’s 2023 and many women feel the same way right now…. The fear and dislike is so real ❤ thank you for being so brave and honest.. I just seen Nikki on the Grio channel and searched her on UA-cam and this was one of the first videos I’m so glad I found out about her.. I didn’t get to expand my education when I was younger but I’m definitely making up for it now!!! ❤ thanks for sharing ❤❤
Keep expanding my young sister, the more you know the more self worth you'll have and the more value you'll have in what you accept from others. I'll always lift you up. Your auntie.
With all due respect, racism is taught, it’s not genetic or automatically inherited because of one’s skin color. A lot has changed, yes there are still evil white people but there’s evil in every race since the Biblical day’s. Please take into consideration that there are some good hearted white folks on this planet just like there are black, brown, red and yellow. Two wrongs don’t make a right. I guarantee you that there are some white folks out here that will go to war against their own for their black and brown brothers and sisters!!!
We’re afraid of ourselves queen. In a man’s version. "I don’t like white people and I can’t be a man for my black woman, what do I do?" If we have to lie to you and lie to the world when do we get be ourselves truthfully? That’s ALOT of pressure. So much so that it could destroy a man, we could lose ourselves in what’s real and what’s not. 45:02 A white man can become a millionaire (and nowadays, a black man and woman can too only by acting a fool, being an athlete or multiple forms of prostitution.) Baldwin says, Here I am I can’t be the version of a man society programmed men and women to think a man SHOULD be. How can a black man be a man to anybody? It takes a very mature woman to realize a man isn’t defined by the money and status but the spirit and knowledge. As a 24 year old, finding a woman that values a man for being A MAN and not use a man for his money and status seems damn near impossible. Nikki says as long as we’re there for the child it’s acceptable. But to black men in our hearts our image of ourselves is tarnished to a point of our absence being a misguided advantage for the child. It’s a vicious cycle but we’ve ended up blaming each other for the cycle for so long that we no longer compromise the great or good of the family.
I wonder how women can be afraid of someone they say is absent. In 2023, single motherhood is championed by women saying I don’t need a man. It’s not about “family” anymore. It’s not about a “village”. It’s all about self in 2023 and still trying to demonize their own sons.
Nikki is so bold and brilliant. So beautiful to be able to sit in on this conversation so many years later. It's so infuriating that we are still dealing with the same issues in 2024 - and it feels like it's about to get much worse (following Trump's re-election) before it gets better. I really hope we start to realise that we need to take a different approach with this demonic spirit that terrorises us. The old way still ain't working!
1:14:45 such a profound moment. I love watching a conversation where both parties are invested in learning. You can see Baldwin's mind processing what is being said and his heart aching because it's true.
I’m guilty of this, so it made me really uncomfortable the first time I saw it. But, it’s 100% TRUE. Baldwin knew it too, which is why he had no rebuttal. Baldwin claims that if he loves her, he can’t lie to her, but that’s not true. In fact, men often argue the exactly opposite. Many men claim that love is the reason they DO lie, especially during periods of infidelity. So which one is it? Now, I agree that the human psyche needs to feel authentic in order to reconcile itself, but we have to find healthy ways to be authentic without submitting our wives to unnecessary emotional abuse. This is a HARD, POTENT, yet UNCOMFORTABLE truth that black men need to get on board with. We’re acting at work. We’re acting all day long with total strangers. We need to act the part at home too with our wife and kids. I’m a black man, and agree with this message 100%. It was a great discussion, one of the best dialogues I’ve ever seen! 💯🔥 Watch the whole thing. It’ll blow you away. Here’s the link: ua-cam.com/video/y4OPYp4s0tc/v-deo.html
I absolutely love your response and insight. I have a question for you though, Do men lie when it comes to infidelity because they don't want to hurt their wives or significant others, or do they lie because they are lying to themselves about who they really are? The reason matters. I know it's been a while since you posted this response, but I am taken in by your reply.
These are two people that are confident in themselves and don't need to compete. It takes a good listener to hear the "cadence" in their conversation. He is pouring into her and in turn, she's pouring into him. They are "supreme" equals with nothing to prove. I love my people.
Hearing James Baldwin, hearing Toni Morrison, hearing Gil Scott-Heron, hearing Maya Angelou…. Amazing voices that carry so much life in word that drops out of their mouth. Even if they made no sense when they spoke people would still stop to listen, enchanted by the soul in their speak.
It’s December 10, 2024. Ms. Nikki Giovanni passed away on Monday, 12/9/2024. My first time seeing this entire conversation of the two of them. So profound. Timeless. ✊🏽
1:14:48 "Of course you can lie to me", this line is the reason why I decided to watch this video. I found this segment in an instagram reel and found it so interesting. I am glad to have been able to watch such an insightful conversation.
Ive watched this several times since I came across it around a year and a half ago and altho I understand both sides I think her view on that particular topic is so ideological and almost dismissive of reality that its hard to relate ti. He's basically laying out a man broken by society and why he behaves how he behaves (right or wrong aside) and her solution is simply "well don't be broken society". He says well whos going to pay the rent and she says "the rent is going to get paid". He references where the baby is going to sleep or what its going to eat and shes it will sleep somewhere and eat something. Shes saying to just be there for her emotionally & physically but how can she expect a man to smile in her face when he cant feed her or the kid. Her sentiment is beautiful because she saying she doesn't see him as any less due to understanding his struggle but a man who cant face himself can absolutely not face his family.
@BWCMediaNetwork the statement as a woman and we say it to our men all the time infers is that especially as black and African women we mostly receive the worst parts of our men when they come home and they expect the best of us. And we are simply asking....why does your boss, your mates, the stranger on the street get you best but at home we get silence, anger, negativity and sometimes we even catch hands And that's what we mean when we say...if the other parties can get those happy sides why can't we also get a portion of that? Why does the man being himself imply showing me your woman only or rather majorly your dark, broken side. If the issue is provision she says that trust us and be with us well and believe you me that rent will get paid, the kids will get fed and your home will be fine. But even in 2024 we as black women are treated as the bottom of the barrel everywhere. So we said if you can't pretend then we are done
@mercynamikoye9084 Well I'm only speaking to the time of the conversation, not today because I believe if a man can't make money today then he's just a useless man. So let's compartmentalize the argument to a man in the 40s-60s that was actually facing overt racism on a daily basis, and also had the pressures of taking care of a family. Baldwin never excused his behavior, he is merely describing what creates the issue. To simply ask that man to "pretend" is literally asking him to die. It would be the same situation as a woman losing a baby and you telling her "pretend to be happy". That's simply not how life works. Before we are men or women we are human and that was his point that you can only expect a human to be pushed so far. If we believe that hurt people also hurt people then one could understand that being treated like literal trash while forced to smile is only going to create a monster and energy will always release in one way or another. The ultimate of which is suicide which has always been common among men. As for 2024 both men and women (I dare say especially women) are extremely privileged and spoiled that trying to compare life now to life then is extremely disrespectful but unfortunately everyone wants to feel like their issues are important. Black men and women back then had real issues to worry about. Black men and women today have superficial issues that we try to pass off as real and most can be solved with one's change in behavior today.
June 28, 2024 I tapped into this conversation between two people. In the 60's, 70's I studied, read their books, poems, and videos . "LIE TO ME" I can identify with my ancestors, siblings, relatives, and my own experiences. With the men we all try to encourage them. When they come home from work or can't seem to get hired. His demeanor is low and he's feeling frustrated. He srrounded by his family. His pockets are empty he begins to feels less than a man. Who can't support his 👪. The home environment becomes hostile. Everytime that man walks through the door with nothing to give. But the word hello I am a failure again. Wherefore "LIE TO ME" definitely creates a sense of. Don't come home and pretend your somebody that your not. Like you do in public. Because it's truly a lie and your wife or partner knows it. Who you are not. Hiding behind a fake smile and being polite. For the wrong reasons is tiresome for a long period of time. Because bk men have to work to get paid. This affords the owner of a company richer. Meanwhile the employees will accumulate an income that takes years to save enough money. To buy a car or home etc. That's not to say a man can also have those opportunities. College degrees and education levels is a requirement. Not all black man pay scales will make a decent salary. What economic requirements are in demand. Some men abounded the ship.. Arguements sometimes physical fights, and verbal abuse. This behavior breaks up the homes. The women in my family. Went on to raised their children without their husband's or baby daddies. Mother's can't teach her son to be a man. Daughter are missing a father in her life. This doesn't mean black men are weak. They just stop trying to believe they can achieve a chance to make it in this world. Liquor stores, drugs addicts, and prosecution behavior. Becomes the norm and escape. This isn't a good look. At the same time. What we see and hear. Help shape decision making ideas. What they want in life and what they don't want to happen in their own lives. Ma ma may have Papa may have but God bless the child who gets his own. This was a great respective point of views. According to James Baldwin, and NiKY Giovanni. Both of who I believe rightful receptive navagators about. Black people live in a diverse society. Whose checks and balances still remains uneven.
It's conversations like this that Really make me wish some people could see how much has changed, and how much hasn't. It's sometimes so hard to hear the Hope in certain people's voices for some of the simplest things, and knowing how far off the accomplishments would be.
Stunningly beautiful inter-generational exchange. The value they hold for each other is seen in their eyes, the posturing of their bodies, their investment in each other. True humility and confidence are complimentary.
No where near finished with this video but I can’t help but be struck by the dynamic of this conversation. James Baldwin, in all his intrinsically poetic glory, guiding the conversation and Nikki Giovanni, who is noticeably younger than Baldwin both in speech and thought, seems a bit intimidated by the conversation but unrelenting in giving and receiving counterpoints. A brilliant and inspiring conversation
I would love to have a conversation like this with an elder an elder who has no bias and an unconditional love for his black people but is willing to criticize his people from a place of love
You should speak with my great, great uncle who's 87 years young, with all of his faculties. We have these conversations every time we speak. It's always a history lesson. I used to get so frustrated. He speaks just like James Baldwin. It's uncanny. ❤
this is a conversation that is very important to be had in the chaotic world that we live in today, if not people need to listen to this conversation maybe they will see the world in a different light
Born in Puerto Rico, raised in the Bronx, I advocate for our independence. I love these intellectuals' talk and much love with these black intellectuals in which they hit the soul growing up 30 years in NYC. These talks hit. We are just pawns as brother Malcolm X would put it. It is 2024!
12/4/24 Every time in the past I heard Baldwin, I found joy in his brilliance, humanity & love of Black people. And I now loved watching his patience as he lovingly examined Nikki's ideas as she showed her literary intellect and youthful, political womanly struggles. What an honor to watch and for her to have been given! Thx for replaying.😊
Love that you can sense the simplicity and idealism of her age.This idealism at these young ages delivered immeasurable change. Youth is fearless and unencumbered by fear of mortality and responsibility.
Baldwin was one of the greatest intellectuals of all time. The way he analyzes and examines the struggle of Blacks and their struggles in American society is profound and exhilarating.
36:25 when he starts speaking about realizing that your father is essentially a slave and you're destined to the same date, I nearly cried. No one's ever articulated a feeling that I couldn't articulate in such a way.
It is stunning to realize that James Baldwin and Nikki Giovanni are both gone, as in this video they are at their most vital, their most intellectually invincible. I love how the camera also focuses on their hands, through which their eloquence is also expressed. They were not only great, but heroic.
As a non American this conversation is extremely fascinating and informative. I'm not sure when this was but it seems like it took place around the time after MLK was killed. You get the feeling of both resignation and hopelessness in the room. It must have been a very difficult time for black people. Today we've seen the first black president but still no woman yet. It seems like America is moving forward but also in circles at the same time. 🤔
A black man from America here and I’m 25 years of age and I’m here to tell you that as a society here in America we are moving g backwards. Adults don’t have these type of conversations anymore without yelling at each other. Young kids are dying even younger, education system is failing, we value social media more than actual human interaction. There are just so many things going on at one time it’s very difficult just to see the world around in chaos all the time
No matters the locations , slavery and colonization effects you in similar manners expressed by these two persons whether or not you know it ......The difference between the effects are rooted in the methods....if you are in Africa, they used tribalism and classism, in the west, they depraved their victims of fair and equal opportunities ....wherever you are, unless you are oppressor, you are affected by it
1/26/25 ….This dialogue really is food for thought. I will have to watch this again. There is so much they were saying that resonates today from talking about homosexuality to race to religion, to war….
I literally watch this once a year. This is a conversation! Although Baldwin is an idol of Giovanni, but she STILL challenges him. Reminisce of Makeda, Queen of Sheba engaging in conversation with the ancient greats. Starting at 29:00 - Wooooo! Always gives me chills. Nikki is a real one.
Same here - I watch it a few times a year and she was I believe 28. How they listen to each other. Total respect for the each other's intellect, point of view, experiences and opinions. It's a absolute treasure.
Two legends, may they both rest in peace, may their families have some comfort in knowing the impact of these major contributors to the human experience. We thank them for these gifts.
If this was on the radio, without an introduction to who's speaking, I'd think this is a Conversation that is about what's going on NOW!!!! This is blowing my mind how nothing has truly changed since the 70s
I’m here listening on Saturday, August 3, 2024. This conversation is eloquently, beautifully and brilliantly presented, spoken. I love and appreciate this intimacy amongst black man and black woman. Revelations on so many levels ❤
@@kennethallen8742 thanks just opened the link and will check it out now. That bit about what his father had to go through was my favorite part by far. When baldwin stated "but there it goes" refering to the love disappearing between a father and mother I cried my eyes out. So powewrful, so truthful and an example of the pyscological horrors that human cruelty can inflict.
Here again, December 6 2024. I'm a Nigerian writer, and the first time I watched this was in 2019, whilst working on a yet to be finished essay titled poetry, identity, and freedom. I think more than anything else, i love their passion for their beliefs and the conviction with which they carry their souls. A truly timeless conversation.
What nicking was trying to convey to James is that so many men get hung up on this...." I must provide and take care of and do all the things".. when what really matters is us being together..... Regardless of what the situation it is.
But he's also trying to explain to her the delusion in that thinking. Women don't just want to be together with a man I'm squalor. It's never "regardless of what the situation is" if that man has nothing to offer but love any self respecting women will leave that man for a man with resources. Love is not and never will be enough on its own in a capitalist society.
@BWCMediaNetwork I am not saying Nor advocating for a woman to stay with a man who's not trying or just a complete deadbeat.That's not what i'm saying. Well that's not what she's saying... What she said is that....I understand that you're struggling.I understand that it's hard...but we stick together.We can climb out of this... When we have emotional support you can put your foot in front of the other foot and climb out of despair.
Yes, thank you for saying it. It didnt seem to me that he really was allowing nikki to say her piece. He was asking for understanding but not granting it himself -on that particular point.
@@BWCMediaNetwork He made a pretty bad argument. There are still some men who have access to ladies that they shouldn't have based on this logic.He went so far as to mention a story about a tired farther who threw a baby against a wall. It’s amusing as many of you didn’t grow up with wealthy fathers but parents who went 50/50. Her asking a black man to treat her with decency is self respect.
I watched this in the summer of 2020, I was 22. I’m now 26 and it’s hitting deeper and harder. I hope I return to this in two years (and many times later in my life) when I am the same age as Nikki, because I feel her so much within myself! What a beautiful conversation.
I'm here in December 2024 and I'll come back again and again. I love these two ancestors. Thank you Nikki Giovanni and James Baldwin for your love, light, truths and profound contributions to society! 🖤👑🖤👑 I bet their conversation continues... 📯🎹📯🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
Love this... But it hurts to know my internal conversations were being had before I was born, broadcasted on air. And nationally, things haven't changed much. And we rarely have celebrities of their caliber as easily accessible .
Definitely agree with you about celebrities being accessible at a high caliber. But I'm not so sure celebrity holds the same meaning now as it did then. I find myself missing "boring" television. Which was never boring at all. Programs like this informative and not spinning only one view...quiet, without any ads in the corner and distractions or loud music and suggestive content. For what it's worth I don't even enjoy or follow the history channel anymore because it's so sensationized. I think civil discourse could progress if it were prioritized instead of money being the main motivator for mass communications such as TV and now internet.
This epic piece of intellectual history is priceless. What ever happened to genuine dialogue free of capitalism and ego? Facing the stark realities of race and condition, you uncover the naked truths of life.
I remember the first time I saw this. I was a kid. I’m 46 now! Didn’t know what I was watching at the time. Don’t remember how or why I was seeing it at that time but I remember my mother and her girlfriends discussing it. Very cool full circle moment because now I understand and everything they are discussing is still relevant and important today.
I’m watching this in December 2024 and loving it anyone else??
amen
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I'm right there with you
And I'm here watching after the passing of Miss Giovanni tonight 😢
December 10th
2 April 2024....im here watching this ...who is here with me
I never knew this conversation even existed. 💪🏾
Same - this is fantastic
Me
April 7th, but ✋🏾
8 April 2024...feels like I was guided here.
Who came here after watching a short of this? Refreshing to see intelligent conversations.
Exactly why I'm here. It is important that we have a full view of the discussion, or else we'd conclude that one party is right on a subject.
Absolutely worth the visit, sex, intercourse, fornication and making love are 4 different things, serving different purposes.
My humble thought is only maturity gives you the insight to see that we've been led to the intellectual definition and wrong answer, because the computation is wrong based on a European romantic ideology.
We don't need superficial Roman antics, our way of thinking was family, intimacy, seeing into your mate and reciprocally meeting their needs. This was stripped away by a false money system of welfare and following a Govt Ordnance Dept, masquerading as source provider and false god, because we were led to forgot our own intelligent and natural way.
We must allow ourselves to bring back the love and learn to ignore the beguiling interruption.
💚Pax Amore et Lux. 💚
Me too. I knew of Baldwin, great writer, but only came across Nikki Giovani today. Great insights.
Ah Yes!
I literally typed *if I love you I have to lie to you vedio* and now I'm here
RIP to new ancestor Nikki Giovanni. may the ancestors, including Mr. Baldwin, receive and guide her 💓
Amen, I feel so sad that I kept postponing watching this video and now she’s gone 😢😢😢😢💔💔💔💔
Asé 🙏🏾
Amen 🤲🏼
Beautiful ❤
Amen
"A cop is a cop. He may be a very nice man, but I haven't got the time to figure that out. All I know is he has a uniform and a gun, and I relate to him THAT way."
That is a gem 💎 💎 💎 💎 💎 💎 😊
He has said something similar before, saying he understands white people by their institutions, he doesn't know if the school district is run by racists but he knows black kids and white kids get different textbooks. So he defines things based on results and works backwards
@@keionadams01 it was an interview at Dick Cavet show.😊
Everybody the police
Nikki passed away yesterday Dec. 9. I hope that generations more will keep learning gratefully from her thought, her work, and all the ways she gave and gave to us, including this outstanding conversation.
Yesterday. 12/9
@@VirtuallyNaylah Corrected, thanks
@@VirtuallyNaylah19:15 is that hate speech ?
@londonbowcat1 why are you asking me? But since you did, no, it's not hate speech. She specifically said, I don't "like" white people which is a common feeling for Black people during that time and now based on their behavior towards Black people. Stop trying to stir the damn pot. The better question would be to ask YOURSELF why she said that.
@but I just learned that she was married to a white woman that recruited her into the feminist movement and she was against the nuclear family 🤔
The discussion about black men and their role in the black community is so fascinating. I'm not black, but I can see both sides of the debate here. Nikki is frustrated by the issues around black fatherhood and black husbands, and violence in families and black men leaving their families etc, and James is expressing that the horrors which have been enacted on many of those men has made them unable to be nice, family men. They are traumatised and they have been emasculated, and made to feel lesser by white people. This understandably warps their sense of self, and then impacts those who love them very badly in many cases. It's such a deep, nuanced conversation.
Respectfully, I agree & disagree with your observations. BWomenKids weren't excused from social injustices & trauma. Bad things weren't reserved just for Bmales, so allowing BMales to DISMISS the fact that BWomenGirls went through the SAME horrors & problems, at the SAME time as they did is harmful. BCulture's gaslighting many generations of BWomen has gone on way too long. I'm a BWoman that is very glad this mindset has/is finally coming to an end.
@@beeznhoney4323 Fair enough. That's a really interesting response and gives me a lot of food for thought. Thanks for being an intelligent person on the internet, responding to a comment in good faith.
Well it isn’t all about them. Black women are equally traumatised. Yet that didn’t hinder them from being nice, family women.
Yes this is my take away as well
@@beeznhoney4323 exactly, Black women also went through their own horrors and still managed to show up for their kids, family, community and BLACK MEN.
2024 listening to this whole conversation again to remind myself that raw conversations are important and necessary ❤. I wish we had this now
With this online social media culture, that's often geared toward "owning" someone you don't agree with, I don't even know if it's possible in a public forum.
@@adrianhartso7060 Yes, as they identify early in these nearly 2-hours, both owner and owned are "the two most unlikeable people in the world"...
& Still possible here in 2024 ❤
This is how interviews should be conducted. I believe.
Mature adults engaging in intelligent discourse without screaming at each other. Those were the times.
They still exist it’s just not broadcast on mainstream mediums… there’s no chaos in that… this world thrives on chaos✌🏾
Try Sonnie Johnsons spaces and xm program
Now we have to deal with only fans models saying they are empowered on podcast. How shameful.
@@freddyray6805 don't leave out infantile/childish mindset of some male species in your analysis... It takes 2 to tangle 😉
This is hard to find these, black intelligent conversation, what we have is 2 intelligent black individual. Nikki Giovanni is so beautiful and very well educated, I admire her so much.
“Because I love you, I get the least of you” heartbreaking statement 💔
MGTOW
Today is November 21, 2024. I am 70 years old. I had forgotten this conversation which I saw many years ago. I remember Nikki because she came to my high school as a senior. I was writing poetry at a young age. Words always floating around me and when I heard heard it was music in my ears as a young Black Female in the early 1970's. She helped me to embrace that part of me and James awaken my senses to what was going on around me. I read his books going up in High School. Young people I am glad you are listening and hope this is a teachable moment as it has re-taught and inspired me all over again.
Toni Morrison The Black Woman
Watching again in honor of the Queen! Today is Dec 10. 2024, and this is still as relevant as it ever was!
What part ?
This is so powerful hard but important conversation still relevant in 2023 amazing
share this with a friend
Kk my❤m ❤
Agreed even more now.
I know right?
How so?@@KimKozak
Here January 2025. Couldn’t pass up a chance to hear this intelligent conversation ❤ rip to our beautiful ancestors
Watching this on MLK, Jr Birthday Remembrance, Jan 20, 2025. I needed this for my soul. 💙💙💙💙
Came here after watching a now 80 year old Nikki Giovanni speak today. She is remarkable and has been for a very long time. She is still as quick witted, articulate and amazing today as she was in this video.
Here listening 100 years from the day James Baldwin graced us with his presence on earth - August 2, 2024.
Me too!!
2024 years since the year of our Lord Jesus Christ truly graced us with His presence and death/atonement for our sins. He is truly to be worshiped and praised.
15th August, 2024 @ 22.05 in Toulouse Blagnac Airport, waiting for a delayed flight to London ☺️
8/20/24
@ToriGanza2120 Go away please.
“It may be wrong-of course it’s wrong, but we’re dealing with human beings”
31:45 manhood
The respect they have for each other is profound.Nicki seems enthralled by James.The ability to be poised, excellent mannerisms. Talk,laugh,listen. No clash of egos.The way a father and daughter would talk.The gems dropped in this conversation is timeless wisdom..
You have ninjas and black folks there is a difference
❤
There was some ego clashing especially on Baldwin's part
Very intoxicating. GOOD times!
@@damiancagnolatti3224. which category does a person who doesn't know the difference between "black" and "Balck" fall into? 👀😅
I've watched this several times over the years...i am in awe every time. Here on October 26th, 2024.
Me too!
still here
October 30th, 2024!
Yurrr
Meetoo
50 years later this conversation is still relevant!
Maan! Are you kiddin' me? (I know you're not.)
@@gagnzil how is it not relevant today???
I'm a 42-year-old white man who found this conversation extremely enlightening. I have similar experiences in my own relationship with my wife. We're similar in many ways as white people. I have had this conversation with my wife. She has asked me many times to be the same person to her that I am towards my co-workers, and I have given her the same reason James gave. I can't seem to fake it with her the same way I can with the rest of the world. I also lowered my defenses as a white man and sincerely listened to the conversation. I was able to understand where a lot of black people feel like they're coming from. I can imagine that perspective. I can't quite articulate what I learned, but it was incredibly enlightening.
You probably see the similarities because of classism. As the gap between rich and poor widens. Middle-class America will begin to see the game being played on all of us. Black and White. All of us really just trying to secure a future for our children. ✊🏾
You teach your kid how to pee?
Maybe we're *not* that different, after all👀
The conversation about being a man is very pertinent right now, regardless of race. James did a good job explaining it well.
You said you “lowered your defenses as a white man and sincerely listened to the conversation.”
Please elaborate on that as I was not aware white have their defenses up.
Watching this at age 21. It’s invigorating, so much wisdom.
Do your own research on whether welfare took Black men out of the home or not.
Wow. Everything is still going on they mentioned and I enjoyed watching and will watch more
Watching again - December 9, 2024. RIP to this queen.
22:45 who can forget this white house exchange
2024 ans still relevant could watch this for hours without getting bored
“ I don’t like white people and I’m afraid of black men… what do I do? Nikki it’s 2023 and many women feel the same way right now…. The fear and dislike is so real ❤ thank you for being so brave and honest.. I just seen Nikki on the Grio channel and searched her on UA-cam and this was one of the first videos I’m so glad I found out about her.. I didn’t get to expand my education when I was younger but I’m definitely making up for it now!!! ❤ thanks for sharing ❤❤
I really felt when she said this
Keep expanding my young sister, the more you know the more self worth you'll have and the more value you'll have in what you accept from others. I'll always lift you up. Your auntie.
With all due respect, racism is taught, it’s not genetic or automatically inherited because of one’s skin color. A lot has changed, yes there are still evil white people but there’s evil in every race since the Biblical day’s. Please take into consideration that there are some good hearted white folks on this planet just like there are black, brown, red and yellow. Two wrongs don’t make a right. I guarantee you that there are some white folks out here that will go to war against their own for their black and brown brothers and sisters!!!
We’re afraid of ourselves queen.
In a man’s version. "I don’t like white people and I can’t be a man for my black woman, what do I do?"
If we have to lie to you and lie to the world when do we get be ourselves truthfully? That’s ALOT of pressure. So much so that it could destroy a man, we could lose ourselves in what’s real and what’s not.
45:02
A white man can become a millionaire (and nowadays, a black man and woman can too only by acting a fool, being an athlete or multiple forms of prostitution.)
Baldwin says, Here I am I can’t be the version of a man society programmed men and women to think a man SHOULD be. How can a black man be a man to anybody?
It takes a very mature woman to realize a man isn’t defined by the money and status but the spirit and knowledge.
As a 24 year old, finding a woman that values a man for being A MAN and not use a man for his money and status seems damn near impossible.
Nikki says as long as we’re there for the child it’s acceptable. But to black men in our hearts our image of ourselves is tarnished to a point of our absence being a misguided advantage for the child. It’s a vicious cycle but we’ve ended up blaming each other for the cycle for so long that we no longer compromise the great or good of the family.
I wonder how women can be afraid of someone they say is absent. In 2023, single motherhood is championed by women saying I don’t need a man. It’s not about “family” anymore. It’s not about a “village”. It’s all about self in 2023 and still trying to demonize their own sons.
Nikki is so bold and brilliant. So beautiful to be able to sit in on this conversation so many years later. It's so infuriating that we are still dealing with the same issues in 2024 - and it feels like it's about to get much worse (following Trump's re-election) before it gets better. I really hope we start to realise that we need to take a different approach with this demonic spirit that terrorises us. The old way still ain't working!
34:15 gurdjieff
1:14:45 such a profound moment. I love watching a conversation where both parties are invested in learning. You can see Baldwin's mind processing what is being said and his heart aching because it's true.
I’m guilty of this, so it made me really uncomfortable the first time I saw it. But, it’s 100% TRUE. Baldwin knew it too, which is why he had no rebuttal.
Baldwin claims that if he loves her, he can’t lie to her, but that’s not true. In fact, men often argue the exactly opposite. Many men claim that love is the reason they DO lie, especially during periods of infidelity. So which one is it?
Now, I agree that the human psyche needs to feel authentic in order to reconcile itself, but we have to find healthy ways to be authentic without submitting our wives to unnecessary emotional abuse.
This is a HARD, POTENT, yet UNCOMFORTABLE truth that black men need to get on board with. We’re acting at work. We’re acting all day long with total strangers. We need to act the part at home too with our wife and kids.
I’m a black man, and agree with this message 100%. It was a great discussion, one of the best dialogues I’ve ever seen! 💯🔥
Watch the whole thing. It’ll blow you away. Here’s the link: ua-cam.com/video/y4OPYp4s0tc/v-deo.html
Yesssss!!
And listening. Not trying to make a youtube shorts
I absolutely love your response and insight.
I have a question for you though, Do men lie when it comes to infidelity because they don't want to hurt their wives or significant others, or do they lie because they are lying to themselves about who they really are? The reason matters. I know it's been a while since you posted this response, but I am taken in by your reply.
@@jasonstevens3071Like James said, the performance cannot be kept up all day. At some point it has to end. So what then?
These are two people that are confident in themselves and don't need to compete. It takes a good listener to hear the "cadence" in their conversation. He is pouring into her and in turn, she's pouring into him. They are "supreme" equals with nothing to prove. I love my people.
Yes!
We're still having the same conversations & same issues. some inflicted on the community & some inflicted within the community.
It is self perpetuating, but I agree.
Whatever else goes wrong with social media, this here is its redeeming grace, this is right.
I know this is an old interview but I'm captivated by Ms Nikki's voice and image.
Not all that extra from Giovanni, no tattoos, painful looking piercings, just clean and pure almost angelic. What's happened to. Our black women
@@aarondigby5054you happened
Fat deal
18 July 2024. It's my birthday today and i felt this interview was the perfect gift to feed my mind, and my soul.
Happy Birthday 🎈🎊🎁🎂🎉
HAPPY BIRTHDAY HUMAN❤
Hey hope you had a good birthday! That’s my birthday as well
✨👌🏿
@@asampete3866 Mine as well!
“The more things change, the more they stay the same” James Baldwin
Hearing James Baldwin, hearing Toni Morrison, hearing Gil Scott-Heron, hearing Maya Angelou….
Amazing voices that carry so much life in word that drops out of their mouth. Even if they made no sense when they spoke people would still stop to listen, enchanted by the soul in their speak.
This was powerful.
RIP James and Nikki 🕊❤️🖤💚
It’s December 10, 2024. Ms. Nikki Giovanni passed away on Monday, 12/9/2024. My first time seeing this entire conversation of the two of them. So profound. Timeless. ✊🏽
I love that the cameraman is constantly focusing on their hands. Exposes a bit more of their individual personalities and their body language.
9 July 2024. Turning 23 in a couple days and I feel like videos like these are so important and insightful.
Hey same boat except I’m turning 22 :)
Same I'm turning 27 in 2 weeks 🎉
Nice to see someone from e'mzansi here. Knowledge is power.
Sameee im turning 23, on the 28❤ #Family
happy belated birthday 🎉❤
I can't thank you enough for posting this.
You're so very welcome.
fully agree!!! 💯
1 of the most pleasant conversations i've ever heard
thank u for uploading this
😁👍
1:14:48 "Of course you can lie to me", this line is the reason why I decided to watch this video. I found this segment in an instagram reel and found it so interesting. I am glad to have been able to watch such an insightful conversation.
I'm glad you watched it too. It's such a thought provoking conversation.
Ive watched this several times since I came across it around a year and a half ago and altho I understand both sides I think her view on that particular topic is so ideological and almost dismissive of reality that its hard to relate ti. He's basically laying out a man broken by society and why he behaves how he behaves (right or wrong aside) and her solution is simply "well don't be broken society". He says well whos going to pay the rent and she says "the rent is going to get paid". He references where the baby is going to sleep or what its going to eat and shes it will sleep somewhere and eat something. Shes saying to just be there for her emotionally & physically but how can she expect a man to smile in her face when he cant feed her or the kid. Her sentiment is beautiful because she saying she doesn't see him as any less due to understanding his struggle but a man who cant face himself can absolutely not face his family.
@BWCMediaNetwork the statement as a woman and we say it to our men all the time infers is that especially as black and African women we mostly receive the worst parts of our men when they come home and they expect the best of us. And we are simply asking....why does your boss, your mates, the stranger on the street get you best but at home we get silence, anger, negativity and sometimes we even catch hands
And that's what we mean when we say...if the other parties can get those happy sides why can't we also get a portion of that? Why does the man being himself imply showing me your woman only or rather majorly your dark, broken side. If the issue is provision she says that trust us and be with us well and believe you me that rent will get paid, the kids will get fed and your home will be fine. But even in 2024 we as black women are treated as the bottom of the barrel everywhere. So we said if you can't pretend then we are done
@mercynamikoye9084 Well I'm only speaking to the time of the conversation, not today because I believe if a man can't make money today then he's just a useless man. So let's compartmentalize the argument to a man in the 40s-60s that was actually facing overt racism on a daily basis, and also had the pressures of taking care of a family. Baldwin never excused his behavior, he is merely describing what creates the issue. To simply ask that man to "pretend" is literally asking him to die. It would be the same situation as a woman losing a baby and you telling her "pretend to be happy". That's simply not how life works. Before we are men or women we are human and that was his point that you can only expect a human to be pushed so far. If we believe that hurt people also hurt people then one could understand that being treated like literal trash while forced to smile is only going to create a monster and energy will always release in one way or another. The ultimate of which is suicide which has always been common among men. As for 2024 both men and women (I dare say especially women) are extremely privileged and spoiled that trying to compare life now to life then is extremely disrespectful but unfortunately everyone wants to feel like their issues are important. Black men and women back then had real issues to worry about. Black men and women today have superficial issues that we try to pass off as real and most can be solved with one's change in behavior today.
June 28, 2024 I tapped into this
conversation between two people.
In the 60's, 70's I studied, read their books, poems, and videos .
"LIE TO ME" I can identify with my
ancestors, siblings, relatives, and
my own experiences. With the men we all try to encourage them. When they come home from work
or can't seem to get hired.
His demeanor is low and he's feeling frustrated. He srrounded by his family. His pockets are empty he begins to feels less than a man. Who can't support his 👪.
The home environment becomes
hostile. Everytime that man walks through the door with nothing
to give. But the word hello I am a
failure again.
Wherefore "LIE TO ME" definitely
creates a sense of. Don't come
home and pretend your somebody
that your not. Like you do in public.
Because it's truly a lie and your wife or partner knows it. Who you are not. Hiding behind a fake
smile and being polite.
For the wrong reasons is tiresome for a long period of time. Because bk men have to work to get paid. This affords the owner of a company richer. Meanwhile the employees will accumulate an income that takes years to save enough money. To buy a car or home etc.
That's not to say a man can
also have those opportunities.
College degrees and education levels is a requirement. Not all
black man pay scales will make
a decent salary.
What economic requirements
are in demand. Some men abounded the ship..
Arguements sometimes physical fights, and verbal abuse. This behavior breaks up the homes.
The women in my family. Went on to raised their children without their husband's or baby daddies.
Mother's can't teach her son to be
a man. Daughter are missing a father in her life. This doesn't
mean black men are weak.
They just stop trying to believe
they can achieve a chance to
make it in this world. Liquor stores, drugs addicts, and prosecution behavior. Becomes the norm and escape. This isn't a good look. At the same time.
What we see and hear. Help shape
decision making ideas. What they
want in life and what they don't want to happen in their own lives.
Ma ma may have Papa may have
but God bless the child who gets his own.
This was a great respective point
of views. According to James Baldwin, and NiKY Giovanni.
Both of who I believe rightful
receptive navagators about.
Black people live in a diverse
society. Whose checks and balances still remains uneven.
James Baldwin, helped me understand life, thank you rip 🙏🏻
Watching this on 29 October 2024 in South Africa. It's crazy that this conversation is still relevant.
It's conversations like this that Really make me wish some people could see how much has changed, and how much hasn't.
It's sometimes so hard to hear the Hope in certain people's voices for some of the simplest things, and knowing how far off the accomplishments would be.
Thank you for providing the opportunity to watch and listen to this conversation. What an absolute gift.
I want to see Nikki Giovanni comment on her 28 year old self. I’m so curious on what she has to say about this video and James Baldwin.
R.I. P. Black love is Black Wealth, to love myself, wealth I am worth. Thank you Sister Nikki
Stunningly beautiful inter-generational exchange. The value they hold for each other is seen in their eyes, the posturing of their bodies, their investment in each other. True humility and confidence are complimentary.
No interrupting
No where near finished with this video but I can’t help but be struck by the dynamic of this conversation. James Baldwin, in all his intrinsically poetic glory, guiding the conversation and Nikki Giovanni, who is noticeably younger than Baldwin both in speech and thought, seems a bit intimidated by the conversation but unrelenting in giving and receiving counterpoints. A brilliant and inspiring conversation
I fell in love with this conversation the first time I listened and watched it. Timelessly relevant.
I’ve seen this too many times
Me too🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
I'm watching this June 30,2024 and this is still relevant to this day!?
I know right? To the point where I’m looking to older folk like “okay, this isn’t ALL new so what’s the freak out for?”
it shouldnt be. they succeded in shutting us up. there's still time tho
I would love to have a conversation like this with an elder an elder who has no bias and an unconditional love for his black people but is willing to criticize his people from a place of love
You should speak with my great, great uncle who's 87 years young, with all of his faculties. We have these conversations every time we speak. It's always a history lesson. I used to get so frustrated. He speaks just like James Baldwin. It's uncanny. ❤
@eandsmoot630 let's make arrangements
You should watch Dr. Umar...
@bootnocka3174 I met Dr Umar in Oakland, he busy with the school
How do we go about that
this is a conversation that is very important to be had in the chaotic world that we live in today, if not people need to listen to this conversation maybe they will see the world in a different light
two beautiful souls discussing .. never heard more sweat heart,baby in a conversation like this .. i love it
December 25, 2024 and i still relate to this...love how mature they delved into this conversation
Born in Puerto Rico, raised in the Bronx, I advocate for our independence. I love these intellectuals' talk and much love with these black intellectuals in which they hit the soul growing up 30 years in NYC. These talks hit. We are just pawns as brother Malcolm X would put it. It is 2024!
12/4/24 Every time in the past I heard Baldwin, I found joy in his brilliance, humanity & love of Black people. And I now loved watching his patience as he lovingly examined Nikki's ideas as she showed her literary intellect and youthful, political womanly struggles. What an honor to watch and for her to have been given! Thx for replaying.😊
It blows my mind, how quickly they think and how few words it takes them to say something so profound.
Love that you can sense the simplicity and idealism of her age.This idealism at these young ages delivered immeasurable change. Youth is fearless and unencumbered by fear of mortality and responsibility.
Baldwin was one of the greatest intellectuals of all time. The way he analyzes and examines the struggle of Blacks and their struggles in American society is profound and exhilarating.
"The change of attitude that black people have about themselves" hearing it said outloud is awakening.
This is too incredible to start watching at one in the morning....
"Love is a tremendous responsibility."
"It's the only one to take. There isn't any other."
Mic drop
The conversation is so honest I can’t imagine this on tv today.
We need to bring interviews like this back unapologetically black conversations. All said applies still today
The day after we lost Nikki Giovanni, YT recommends puts this gem in my feed lol.
I watched this entire thing (12/10/2024) and feel like I can watch it again tomorrow.. What a conversation
The energy of light in it's greatest form is COMMUNICATION, I.E. ON THIS LEVEL....CONVERSATION.
This is one of the most brilliant conversations ever.
Here from Nairobi 😊
That was incredibly beautiful.
Wish we had more shows like this. The title is dope "Soul", in my generation we had teen summit to move forward conversations between generations
36:25 when he starts speaking about realizing that your father is essentially a slave and you're destined to the same date, I nearly cried. No one's ever articulated a feeling that I couldn't articulate in such a way.
Everything about this interview 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾
It is stunning to realize that James Baldwin and Nikki Giovanni are both gone, as in this video they are at their most vital, their most intellectually invincible. I love how the camera also focuses on their hands, through which their eloquence is also expressed. They were not only great, but heroic.
“The relationship between morality and power is a very subtle one, because power without morality is no longer power.” (25:00)
This is so intelligent and instructive regarding true listening and perspectives. What a joy and a gift
Who is here after listening to the Vince Staples album?
YEZZIR, here again after years
It hit too deep, I had to find the original
Yep. Such a beautiful use of this conversation
That track was way to powerful to not to find the whole convo
fun fact: this exact piece of the conversation was sampled first in "birdsong" by billy woods
rest on, Ms. Giovanni, thank you for living so beautifully!
As a non American this conversation is extremely fascinating and informative. I'm not sure when this was but it seems like it took place around the time after MLK was killed. You get the feeling of both resignation and hopelessness in the room. It must have been a very difficult time for black people. Today we've seen the first black president but still no woman yet. It seems like America is moving forward but also in circles at the same time. 🤔
A black man from America here and I’m 25 years of age and I’m here to tell you that as a society here in America we are moving g backwards. Adults don’t have these type of conversations anymore without yelling at each other. Young kids are dying even younger, education system is failing, we value social media more than actual human interaction. There are just so many things going on at one time it’s very difficult just to see the world around in chaos all the time
Thank you for your insightfulness ❤
No matters the locations , slavery and colonization effects you in similar manners expressed by these two persons whether or not you know it ......The difference between the effects are rooted in the methods....if you are in Africa, they used tribalism and classism, in the west, they depraved their victims of fair and equal opportunities ....wherever you are, unless you are oppressor, you are affected by it
The same revolving cycle for 50 years. A continuous spiral.
I wish i could have this conversation with anyone. Or my loved ones. A nice sit down no one shouting. No talking over. Just listening and perspective.
This is a wonderful. A black feminist and a black gay man talking about black issues that are relevant today.
He wasn't out yet here i don't think
@@jmoxie4425 He was out and people knew.
She's out today
1/26/25 ….This dialogue really is food for thought. I will have to watch this again. There is so much they were saying that resonates today from talking about homosexuality to race to religion, to war….
I literally watch this once a year. This is a conversation! Although Baldwin is an idol of Giovanni, but she STILL challenges him. Reminisce of Makeda, Queen of Sheba engaging in conversation with the ancient greats. Starting at 29:00 - Wooooo! Always gives me chills. Nikki is a real one.
Same here - I watch it a few times a year and she was I believe 28. How they listen to each other. Total respect for the each other's intellect, point of view, experiences and opinions. It's a absolute treasure.
Two legends, may they both rest in peace, may their families have some comfort in knowing the impact of these major contributors to the human experience. We thank them for these gifts.
this show moved me when I first saw it and it moves me right now.
If this was on the radio, without an introduction to who's speaking, I'd think this is a Conversation that is about what's going on NOW!!!! This is blowing my mind how nothing has truly changed since the 70s
I’m here listening on Saturday, August 3, 2024. This conversation is eloquently, beautifully and brilliantly presented, spoken. I love and appreciate this intimacy amongst black man and black woman. Revelations on so many levels ❤
Read William Julius Williams' ( When Work Disappears) an excellent commentary about what Baldwin's Father was dealing with.
@@kennethallen8742 thanks just opened the link and will check it out now. That bit about what his father had to go through was my favorite part by far. When baldwin stated "but there it goes" refering to the love disappearing between a father and mother I cried my eyes out. So powewrful, so truthful and an example of the pyscological horrors that human cruelty can inflict.
Here again, December 6 2024. I'm a Nigerian writer, and the first time I watched this was in 2019, whilst working on a yet to be finished essay titled poetry, identity, and freedom. I think more than anything else, i love their passion for their beliefs and the conviction with which they carry their souls. A truly timeless conversation.
I really like the presentation of femininity and masculinity in this discussion.
What nicking was trying to convey to James is that so many men get hung up on this...." I must provide and take care of and do all the things".. when what really matters is us being together..... Regardless of what the situation it is.
But he's also trying to explain to her the delusion in that thinking. Women don't just want to be together with a man I'm squalor. It's never "regardless of what the situation is" if that man has nothing to offer but love any self respecting women will leave that man for a man with resources. Love is not and never will be enough on its own in a capitalist society.
@@BWCMediaNetwork This is the reason why most men are incapable of real love.
@BWCMediaNetwork I am not saying Nor advocating for a woman to stay with a man who's not trying or just a complete deadbeat.That's not what i'm saying. Well that's not what she's saying... What she said is that....I understand that you're struggling.I understand that it's hard...but we stick together.We can climb out of this... When we have emotional support you can put your foot in front of the other foot and climb out of despair.
Yes, thank you for saying it. It didnt seem to me that he really was allowing nikki to say her piece. He was asking for understanding but not granting it himself -on that particular point.
@@BWCMediaNetwork He made a pretty bad argument. There are still some men who have access to ladies that they shouldn't have based on this logic.He went so far as to mention a story about a tired farther who threw a baby against a wall.
It’s amusing as many of you didn’t grow up with wealthy fathers but parents who went 50/50. Her asking a black man to treat her with decency is self respect.
I watched this in the summer of 2020, I was 22. I’m now 26 and it’s hitting deeper and harder. I hope I return to this in two years (and many times later in my life) when I am the same age as Nikki, because I feel her so much within myself! What a beautiful conversation.
I'm here in December 2024 and I'll come back again and again. I love these two ancestors. Thank you Nikki Giovanni and James Baldwin for your love, light, truths and profound contributions to society! 🖤👑🖤👑 I bet their conversation continues... 📯🎹📯🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
Love this... But it hurts to know my internal conversations were being had before I was born, broadcasted on air. And nationally, things haven't changed much. And we rarely have celebrities of their caliber as easily accessible .
Definitely agree with you about celebrities being accessible at a high caliber. But I'm not so sure celebrity holds the same meaning now as it did then. I find myself missing "boring" television. Which was never boring at all. Programs like this informative and not spinning only one view...quiet, without any ads in the corner and distractions or loud music and suggestive content. For what it's worth I don't even enjoy or follow the history channel anymore because it's so sensationized. I think civil discourse could progress if it were prioritized instead of money being the main motivator for mass communications such as TV and now internet.
This epic piece of intellectual history is priceless. What ever happened to genuine dialogue free of capitalism and ego? Facing the stark realities of race and condition, you uncover the naked truths of life.
I remember the first time I saw this. I was a kid. I’m 46 now! Didn’t know what I was watching at the time. Don’t remember how or why I was seeing it at that time but I remember my mother and her girlfriends discussing it. Very cool full circle moment because now I understand and everything they are discussing is still relevant and important today.
Dec. 19th 2024, RIP Ms. Giovanni. Very valuable archival. Thank you for sharing 🙏🏾
This interview is shot so uniquely. 32:00 the discussion, to me, develops into a cathartic moment of inner tragedy. Stay with it. Its long.
this is the deeper section of the conversation
Here we are watching this, as they are together in spirit again. Rest well, Nikki.