Perhaps due to the lack of depth or lack of historical depth, but many overlook the time of this debate, "1965". Again, 1965. It was a time segregation was wide spread in the United States and along with it, an 'in your face hatred'. Baldwin was stating his argument in a mostly white forum in a different country. Even he didn't expect what would happen Hence, the surprised look on his face when they gave him a standing ovation. Though also American, I would imagine Buckley was much more comfortable in his own skin. No pun intended. Considering the position, Baldwin composure, bravery and delivery was enviable. Most people "regardless of color of skin" would've never done it. Therefore, one has to give Baldwin massive, and I mean massive respect.
I think Baldwin is the greatest American ever lived for so many reasons. He is bang on about racism hard to believe they still told us in history class that Lincoln fought against slavery. Nah, he wanted their help and was then going to give them a colony. They said, no help for you unless we are fully integrated into the country we helped create”. And they were for a short time and then…segregation.
The opening speaker was excellent too. He had a strong well supported description of the problem. We need this type of programming now. Critical thinking needs to be revived.
@@southpaw8040 The laws across the entire United States oppressed Black people. It wasn't just the slavery system. It was the Federal Government and Jim Crow Laws.
Not surprised. We have so much historical fiction coursing through our nations veins. Someday perhaps we will know the truth about how we were lied to and manipulated.
@@wtf-qr3vq is you being sarcastic...I'm sure she knows her history she's probably enjoying this black and white video of this nice debate...I've learned when you dive deep into ur history you will see the amazing black and white videos Charles Clarke was the awesome man I bumped into last year I was trying to get out of Christianity when I learned the Vatican took Spirituality then twisted the words changed names changed people color then changed it to Christianity then went around the world forcing even killing millions if they didn't believe in Christianity that's bad so yeah I finally got out of Christianity but alone the way it was awesome knowledge poured in it was awesome but check out Charles Clarke if you want true change or insight he is the go to..
@@horseshoes3523 There are bad and good in each group of people. But don't let the bad steal your soul. God is real. At end of time as we know it many church's won't be true they will be apostate denying the power of God and only trust them self Pray for understanding and read the Bible for yourself. Christ is the door the way. It's worth studying search and believe. And receive .
@@lindamullins1446 you misunderstood I believe in a Spirit that created the universe and being I don't believe in Christianity god the word god originated in the 6th century sooo Christianity named the universe a god and a he that's wrong even the word love was put in that book called bible....see this guy named Herodotus he went to Africa got those people history and when he died the Vatican took what Herodotus wrote down the African past history then he put it in the 1st book of the bible BUT the African history was sapose to have been for the tribe to learn what to eat and what not to eat and how to treat your fellow man it wasn't sent from a person name god it was the AFRICAN HISTORY that's it NOW the African people believe there is a great Spirit that's why SPIRITUALITY is theirs not Christianity with all their mumbo jumbo crap...did you not know EVERY ONE had their own god Africa, Europe, China, Hawaii, Australia and Mexican we all had are own beliefs BUT the Vatican went around the world killing people if they didn't believe in their false god they killed, stolen land raped children, boys and women now that is insane but generation after generation they gave in or die.. I BELIEVE IN SPIRITUALITY NOT CHRISTIANITY and I feel so much better Christianity have dead inn's like heaven or hell and that was put in that book even the word love sooo if you want to believe in Christianity you have at it... my Spirit doesn't hate or racism Christianity is nothing but hatred and don't tell me some of them no ALL them is racist if they wasn't African American men wouldn't be killed like they are Christianity love dog, horses, cats more than African or people of color but SPIRITUALITY is Africans truth as a whole we don't kill but Christianity as a whole they never found humanity name one time a Caucasian was civilized you can't because it's not in them soooo no thank you I'm on the right side of humanity which is SPIRITUALITY....✌️
What struck me most about this was how when Baldwin stepped up to speak he seemed to be in the process of trying to collect his thoughts, a bit nervous even. But as soon as he starts to speak, everything just flows with such confidence, eloquence, and knowledge. The true essence of a writer indeed.
“Until this moment, there is scarcely any hope for the American dream, because the people who are denied participation in it, by their very presence will wreck it; and if that happens it’s a very grave moment for the West.” If any statement could sum up the 55+ years that followed up this speech it would be that.
This is the Cambridge Union, a debate society that still exists and has essentially the exact same format. They publish many of their debates on UA-cam and so do many others like the Oxford Union.
Sadly, the decay of our collective intellect, the remarkable decline of our ability to comprehend this discourse, let alone to verbally express ourselves on a comparable level, has declined so dramatically since this time, that it will never exist again. This was the high point, in modern (20th century onward) times of political debate. The change is so stark between now and then that I liken it to the change in our language usage from Shakespeare to 2024 Tik Tok posts.
Yes, I love the elegant way he spoke with Wisdom and compassion for all of the Black Americans. Now what in the World 🌎 was James Buckley trying to sell White people that there's nothing they could do about our problems. I really tried to follow what he was saying somehow I got lost maybe because I never heard man speak like him.i really thought he was trying to be Insulting !!!Janice Harley
Yessss! Me too. His voice and stance was not only confident, but commanding. We and they had to hang on to his every word. You have to respond to passion and truth.
How many White guy s standed up and clapped for that white man speaking should have gave James Chills they was evil asf to clap after hearing james B speech..
William Buckley was an intelligence asset for Atlanticist and you know who ish elites and helped take out the old right for neoconservatism. Baldwin was also pushed by these people for radical leftism and racial tension and color revolution the way we allowed them to do over seas and are now doing here. These talks and Buckley’s talks with Chomsky (on the Epstien list) set the left right Overton window. The same way they do now with Ben Shapiro and Destiny or Piers Morgan as “the height of debate.”
AMERICA is indeed IDEAL! There has never been an experiment in human history that rivals the United States! No where there has been such a mixture of different RACES, RELIGION N PEOPLE who co-exist together! It’s not perfect but name one country in the WORLD that can offer what US does!
Here we are 60 years later, enthralled, mesmerized by the bold truth of Baldwin's speech. I listened to this speech 2 years ago and I'm back again. Buckley, who had an amazing beautiful speaking voice, nevertheless sounds like fountains of hot air saying nothing
My firs ttime ever hearing James Baldwin speak. My gosh he has such a command over the room. It feels like everyone is holding their breath just to hear the next word
Yes because the room is full of privileged white children who have already been exposed to all kinds of neo-marxist dogma. Their treatment of William Buckley... shameful & shocking, especially for that time.
Just listened today Oct 2023 - I graduated in 1965 this is so profetic of what has happened thru the ages and the debate by Mr Baldwin and Mr Buckley, is still a current issue today. Little has changed. Mr Baldwin was eloquent and real!!
True, still current, however I am curious as to what would’ve have been your view on the topic back then and if it has progressed in your experience! A very valuable experience as your generation has witnessed a lot on this particular issue ! And what’s your thoughts on what’s happening now ? The rise of right wing politics, regression of liberal values , immigration in UK etc ! Really just out of interest! Is is better now compared to the 80s in particular?? I am an African professional expat now living in England
Nothing has really changed. Just the illusions that it has changed. In fact it's worst! Technology, and Thirst to survive! Caused by drugs imagration, public schools, politics, individualism, and greed. Now because their were no real changes after the 1960's. The majority of Blacks are at the bottom. We've been handed a bag of Sh-it every Generation that has been here.
@@Madilyns because the Creator of heaven and earth saids that people are accountable of how they treat each other as in we should Love our Neighbor as ourself!
I noticed how Buckley claimed Baldwin was affecting a British accent. At the same time I could detect a distinctly southern accent peeking through Mr. Buckley very distinguished way of talk.
If you're American, you might not realize that all the people who suddenly started coughing and clearing their throats were effectively saying "You're full of sh*t." Notice how quiet they were while Mr Baldwin spoke.
He utilized what was called a Transatlantic or otherwise known as a Mid Atlantic accent, it had largely fallen out of usage by the late 1950s but was generally practiced by the upper middle and upper classes on the East Coast, other well known users were Katherine Hepburn and President Franklin Roosevelt. I would say Mr Buckley was the last well known speaker in America that used the accent
It's too bad that intellectuals like James Baldwin are not taught amongst children. I assume that it would raise the level of education and be too much of a threat.
I teach Baldwin in my High School English classes, and I learned Baldwin in my English classes as a high schooler as well. I think he shows up fairly regularly in curriculum, as most of my colleagues across multiple schools and districts use his work.
I feel privileged to have lived in the age of a great prophet. May Mr Baldwin's prophetic words always be with us, and may he live always in blessed memory.
James Baldwin has always been one of my heroes, as both a writer and an activist. He was a brave truth teller. This is such a prophetic debate as we now have irrevocable evidence that the American Dream…based upon financial prosperity…was built on the back of the unpaid labor of slaves and continued after slavery ended through the prison-industrial system.
@@loqutorwho financed the building of said skyscrapers? W men who got rich through generational wealth from cotton and tobacco. Know where you are before typing dreck on the internet.
Let us not forget that backs were not the only slaves, nor the only people whom were actively discriminated against and used for the benefit to others. As far as whom actually, physically built the civilization we now call home…that distinction much go to the whites on the whole. There’s no logical argument against this.
@@mickeyshooter5298 o good grief! This is why education is important so that ppl don't spew crap like this on the internet. It's not a comparison of who has suffered more than the other. It is not Oppression Olympics! Which enslavement of which people still reverberates in today's society? Black people of course. There used to be open and blatant discrimination against Irish, Italian, Polish et al European immigrants. According to historian Hietala the difference is that within a generation those groups were quickly accepted into white society. They were considered white and therefore the societal privileges extended to them. Hietala noted in "The Fight of the Century" that the new European migrants quickly realized that despite their obvious linguistic differences, at least they were not Black and treated such! White men may have funded the buildings and infrastructure, however a culmination of the labour that generated that wealth AND some the inventions like the traffic light, street sweeper, filament within the light bulb etc are attributed to Black people...most of whom never got remuneration for their onerous work.
The circumstances that are don't tell you where and who they are. As a general they're complex in the complete opposite to what typical is considered easy. Conclusions are easy to state, but hard to lead one who is in doubt of them a serious glimpse of how they connect to one another
Are you quoting George Carlin the comedian/entertainer as someone who doubted the existence of the American dream as being only available in your dreams because I just checked his bio and if you are talking about the comedian George Carlin, he was making upwards of $ 250,000 per year in the 1960 and at his death, he was worth 10 million. That's reality, not a dream. Maybe you mean a different George Carlin ???
@@backfloop That's true. It is more about the opportunity to follow your dreams. So again, i think George Carlin is a hypocrite to declare that the American dream is a only dream and not a reality because he got to follow his dreams and get paid for it. Where else but in America can you get paid to say the 7 banned words and think that is entertainment ? That's some dream he made come true.
I come back to this particular debate every few months and listen to James Baldwin's eloquence and poise which leads me to mourn how much we as a people have fallen.
I feel that things are getting better. The light is shining where it needs to be shone…now we need brave people to continue to push on progress for African Americans, for Hispanics, for women. It is worse in many respects but it is not going to get brushed under the rug. Keep pushing for what is right every day.
Buckley eloquently danced around the issue, he knows the incontrovertible evidence points to slavery economically catapulting the Colonies to a world player. Although slavery was abolished in 1863, the 102 years following to the date of this video, the free labor provided by my forefathers established this country so that European peasants could immigrate to The United States and receive benefits denied to my grandfathers; that also is incontrovertible evidence.
Not true, slavery is not an efficent system of enriching a nation, had the blacks been free the country would have prospered even further, the reason America became so rich was because of the tiny government and the free market without welfare, it was this system that allowed European immigrants to better their lives in America, it's also important to note that all slaves were black but not all black people were slaves, and the vast majority of black people in America today are not descendants from that particular slave trade in America.
@@baltzarbonbeck3559 Very true, what his statement also fails to take in to consideration was that the North abolished slavery between 1774 and 1804. Meanwhile, the south lagged significantly behind the North due to their inability to use human labour as productively and efficiently. Historically, slave labour has never been an effective mode of production, which is also true for similar economic systems (e.g., feudalism). It is also, correct to say that Americans benefited from a small government, less regulation and lower taxes. The drafters of the U.S. constitutions were indeed wise. In fact, the Articles of Confederation (1777) prohibited the ability of the federal government to tax incomes. It is unfortunate to see what has become of the U.S. considering all the checks and balances initially imposed to prevent such corruption from arising.
It is astonishing that all the checks and balances have not prevented the corruption from occuring. It must be the fate of all civilizations eventually to become tyrannical and collapse, as those checks and balances in our system were brilliantly set in place. I guess the game's not over yet though.
The Civil War destroyed ALL the wealth in the South but it industrialized the North. "Reconstruction" pauperized the south for a century, European immigrants were pauperized as well. They worked for everything they got when they came. They had a BRAIN, unlike so many blacks. They could think AND SPEAK distinctly. SPEECH is an indication of intelligence. If nobody can understand your SPEECH you wont get far. You don't get credit for what you destroyed with criminal behavior.
I grew up watching Buckley's television show, Firing Line. As an adult, I read his novels and subscribed to his magazine, National Review. I respected his efforts to push extremists out of the Republican Party, and I admired his eloquence as a speaker. However, James Baldwin was his superior in this exchange. With his preening style and pompous delivery, Buckley had all the gravitas of a mugging villain from a penny dreadful melodrama.
A pleasure to see words / language being spoken so eloquently, and with the sole intent to benefit and progress of all people. Something one rarely sees today. Mr. Baldwin was so much more than just a great writer.
Buckley couldn't have sounded more like an elitist cartoon villian if his life depended on it. Suppose this comes as no suprise from someone who supported Senator Goldwater (attributed as the founder of the Southern Strategy). The parallels between his deflections away from systemic racism and the impacts of slavery ("cheap" labor) to the to the deflections used today to minimize or deny these things was terrifying to be honest. Unfortunately for most who don't live a life directly negatively impacted by systemic racism and/or the legacy of slavery (and the subsequent versions of it) it is easy to not see how insidious Buckley's arguments are. Unfortunately it often takes active effort to learn about the history of those who have and do feel these impacts to understand how Buckley aims to trick those who otherwise would not support his views. It is also for this reason these arguments are still used today in various adaptations and why there has been such a fight from many Republicans to minimize how many people learn this history. In the end they (those who use these strategies) know that most would see them as wrong if they knew the history, so instead they obfuscate and depend on the predictable ignorance many will ultimately have in a world that was built by colonialism and white supremacy.
Thank you to the author of this post.. and thank you UA-cam at a time when the U.S. government has banned books and curriculum concerning the black experience. Thank you for being a source of accurate information and capturing the feeling of the real history of this nation. I really appreciate this. This should be in every American history class.
No books were ever banned when I grew up in the 70's . All of this information was readily available and we learned about the Slave trade in school, segregation and watched "Roots" for extra credit. You , like Black people at this time in the 60's , are getting sidetracked and tricked. An Articulate man who happened to be Black, living in a Metropolitan area, dressed well as he did, but you NEVER see this anymore. Something called "Black Culture" came in and set Black people back immeasurably. Imagine a culture that worships criminals and thugs and if you speak clearly says you are , "Acting White". The reason why no matter where they live in majority , you see literally identical conditions and crime rates for the same crimes. these people have never met or compared notes, and can live at other ends of the nations yet behave identically? Doesn't anyone finally get it, when it's literally staring you right in the face?. It's the "Culture" and you are programmed to shut up about it and blame a phantom of "White Supremacy".
He attacked James Baldwin, not the topic...he didn't make any sense. Jimmie debate was cohesive, he stuck to the topic. Buckley just showed up and babble some incoherent points, the whites lol
Buckley was sad he and the whole of Buckley`s are the epitome of the black man's plight it's never going to end I say as Yul Brynner in the king and I, I say that Buckley must of been a fool.
he lost the battle, but 'white guilt' voted for him in this 'fine moment' lol duh. nobody beats BUCKLEY in a debate. and William was clowning around doing so, as well as clowning baldwimp and his fake british accent that Buckley pointed out on top of it , lmao. THEND.
True Words Spoken and To Live By 👏 🙌 🙏. James Baldwin's truthful statement is speaking truth from his grave to this very day. He spoke with such a strong truthful race ideology the some Whites to the very day can't comprehend. James Baldwin was before his time. Thank God for the time we had him in this world.
Count me in for one of the Whites that cannot understand the brilliant race ideology to this day. I am surprised by the comments on this video, I suppose, because of what appears as to be a universal winner of this debate, the brilliant James Baldwin. As I was listening to Mr. Baldwin I found it distasteful that he was bringing upon himself all of the woes and none of the triumphs of 'his people'. I picked the cotton. I built the railroads. Then, after placing the coat of grievances snugly over his shoulders on his own accord, he goes on to blame the white man for this coat being thrust upon him or existing in the first place. I thought to myself as I watched Mr. Baldwin and the audience of young white faces in rapt attention, as quiet as can be, hanging on every word, and hearing him taking on his education being a lie, and his realizing that his country didn't have a place for him, unless it was as a savage or a clown. His women raped, his work being what built the American Dream, they are taking in every rhetorical flourish as gospel truth and show in their ovation an emotional empathy and support for the plight of the American Negro to use their parlance, and are blind to the agitation and threats tossed in for good measure. Those who cannot participate in it....will wreck it...coming from a man so obviously not missing out on the american dream himself. Baldwin, his education, his freedom, his grant to travel abroad and live in France at 24yo and his proximity to the artists of The Harlem Renaissance many of whom also were given handsome grants to pursue their dreams, seems blessed in his experience to not have calloused hands of field work, but more importantly, blessed to have people desire his writings and speeches. It is this blessing that makes his speech come across as sophistry in my eyes, but also doesn't seem to even address the debate topic at hand. The Chinese and the Irish may well have a lot to say about Baldwin's claims that it was He who built the railroads. Leaves quite a bit of other backs for that American Dream to have been hung. So, do tell, what it is that I simply cannot get because of Baldwin's being so ahead of his time
Buckley was very very good at using racism from the side door - indirect. cold hearted and utterly blind to his own motives. For all his prowess he could and would never examine the core of his own judgements. He uses his intellect like a weapon but in the view of history Buckley was just a rich white guy in love with power employing fancy pretzel logic to dominate the black guy. Buckley was wrong of course in all aspects of the issue at hand. Noted is Buckleys weird transatlantic accent calling out Baldwin for using a so-called fake English accent. We all HEARD Baldwin speak and even thats not true.
I confess that, as Buckley made his way to the podium, I pitied him his task, having to follow Baldwin’s deeply thoughtful, philosophical, and rhetorically successful speech. However, as Buckley neared the end of his pastiche of subtly reactionary comments, I found myself disgusted by his self-servingly blame-the-victim mentality and his thinly veiled threat of racial warfare.
Baldwin had a lifetime to think about it, Baldwin just thought about how he was going to agree, smoke & mirror, lie, then agree again at the end, US politics 101
@@geoffreynhill2833 he spoke opinion and tghe people here only love his "speech" sadly, thought that was a microagression, these the same people to want black noly safe spaces but hate on muslim bakers and christian artists
@@CrazyGamer1541 That's due to the fact that they are surrounded by spoiled liberal leaning brats! Do you think being "woke" only started with LGBTQ...?
I recently finished Nicholas Buccola’s new book, “The Fire is Upon Us: James Baldwin, William F. Buckley, Jr., and the Debate over Race in America”. It is excellent. It traces their lives, in context, leading up to the encounter at Cambridge.
@@ryand141 I think you’ll find your thought well supported. Buckley was only interested in “winning” the debate as such. He thought he’d won it because he didn’t concede any points to Baldwin. A good debater’s point of view, but intentionally avoiding the truth of Baldwin’s arguments. It’s quite a contrast with Baldwin’s humanity. Having grown up in the South, I had heard all of Buckley’s points many times before. Unfortunately, Buckley’s views are still entrenched in so much of the rhetoric from the Republicans today. Baldwin is one of my go-to people when I need to find some sanity. I know you’ll find the book well written and very informative.
@@williamwenck5712 Honestly, I didn't understand his argument, Buckley's. His personal attack on Baldwin was crude and even Baldwin was shocked. Baldwin's talent was immense. The line when he said 'their consolation is like a heavenly revelation' was brilliant. It was an emotive speech but it was also very factually correct. It was profound in every sense. I agree completely with Baldwin when he said racism is cowardly. It is, because, after all, civilization began in Africa. We all can trace our roots back to that point.
@@williamwenck5712 Yes, the entrenchment you mention. I see it. There are people on the chat who mention Buckley won the debate and black people always play the victim card etc, and black people are the criminals. Well, I don't see that. I think it's the complete opposite. You will never convince some people, unfortunately. I wonder how certain people can become so brainwashed in their thinking. I mean, Baldwin got a standing ovation from the house at Cambridge University and they think Buckley won the debate. How on earth can you come to that conclusion?
Right. You demonstrate the assumption that one group of people has a monopoly on discrimination and suffering. Baldwin appeals to emotion, buckley to intellect.
@@lukeman62 Intellect? It is not intellect to defend Nazis as being "heroic" in WWII, nor is it intellectual to say that their torture of people was put on track by the Normandy landing, which are two things Buckley argued for only four years later. It is also not intellect to cut off your opponent at every opportunity to prevent them from finishing any point, or to dismiss their arguments by calling them queer, or to threaten to punch them, which are all things Buckley did when he had debates in a setting he controlled. Even if we were to just look at Buckley in this debate, especially during 1965, Buckley is just plain wrong while Baldwin's opening speech is entirely correct. Buckley was king of emotional arguments that have no basis in reality, and a sympathizer for the wrong side in WWII.
I come back to this every year. One needs to be reminded of what our those before us had to endure for us to reap the benefits of today. National treasure Baldwin is!
The black gentlemen and women and children of those days went through far, far more than what many go through today. Many people in general today are cry babies no matter what creed they are. We're in a generation of people who smash and burn up buildings, tip and burn cars, destroy local businesses and threaten to harm people in their homes. And yet you admit that certain people are reaping benefits today? Why all the rioting then? Personally as a father to two mixed raced children, I'm glad that people of black ancestry or complexion aren't persecuted like they were. Now it's only the elderly and a relatively small chunk of young people who have inherited the racism. The fact is, the rules of today are if you look like you want to succeed you will be given opportunities. I have come across not one employer who never employed a black or Asian person. Perhaps cause true racism doesn't exist anymore and the places that racism still does exist and thrive, aren't even white countries. Thank God the original, racist and violent police force has been replaced by something just as bad.
@@tonyoliver2167 Are you suggesting that only in recent times has private property ever been damaged due to socioeconomic or political injustice in this country? Have you heard of The Boston Tea party? Do you think that they just talked it out? Also, most of success is completely luck. I mean, exactly how much of your effort did you exert in order for you not to be born a destitute minority? Before you were born were you working 60 hour weeks so that you weren't born with a socioeconomic handicap? Your arguments about racism are fallacious; you're literally saying that because you never met a racist employer, that means that there are none? What is more likely: That racial prejudice has been wiped away from the face of this country because you never personally see it or that you're just lucky enough or sheltered enough to have never really witnessed it? Why do republicans have to gerrymander then if minorities are so well represented and fairly treated? If there is no "true racism", why has there been a rise in hate group memberships in the last 2 decades? Are they not "true" racists?
@@tonyoliver2167 I think you’re delusional if you think that racism does not still exist in America. I feel sorry for your children. P.S. - A lot of the people engaging in smashing windows, destroying businesses, etc. were agent provocateurs. There were eyewitnesses who saw police dressed in military-style clothing, systematically walking down the street smashing store windows. Others saw huge piles of bricks left outside stores for people stupid enough to pick them up and throw them, only to be arrested shortly thereafter. Besides, about 95% of those demonstrations were peaceful. It was a small minority who engaged in the type of behavior you mentioned. And btw - The police are just as violent and racist as they ever were.
I wish we has someone like James Baldwin living among us now. We could use someone who has the articulate ability to speak truth to power that is much lacking today.
James Baldwin was a extraordinary man. He fought for social justice for himself as well others. This society needs more individuals like him in the past,present, and future!! Richard Shackelford Shackelford
Ta-Nehisi Coates and many others but it doesn't matter like James said here "I don't know and neither does MLK, none of us know, how to deal with those other people who the white world has ignored for so long. Who don't believe with the white world says or what black leaders say." That's the political ground now on both sides.
Thank God for this channel for showing tapes of what actually happened and what was said. Note both speakers are civil, not screaming or brazenly insulting.
I would disagree. Buckley was typically ignorant, defensive and arrogant. He attacked in a debate which showed his lack of character. Can't believe anyone actually clapped for him
BOTH AS IN THE FIRST AND THIRD. THE SECOND ONE SOUNDED LIKE THE WHITE FOLKS THAT BE IN COMMENT SECTIONS PERTAINING TO BLACK PEOPLE. STRAIGHT IGNORANCE!
Buckley used humor when no real argument is available to him. He also wanted the audience to know he has an excellent vocabulary and can speak in somewhat of a rhythm.
I wonder if he had Shakespearean acting experience. I have recently been watching succession and I have been reading a lot about how Brian coxs history of being a Shakespearean actor made him the ideal actor for playing Logan Roy. The creator stated that the script has a rhythm and musicality to it that resembles Shakespeare
This is a common tactic of reactionaries, I noticed Christopher Hitchins frequently utilized this approach throughout his debate with Michael Parenti and had just as much egg on his face
Excellent, a standing ovation totally deserved. James Baldwin experience shone and can be related to in some aspect to peoples lived experience today. I would not have wanted to be in Buckley's shoes, but at least he tried.
Buckley says America's problem is complicated. Why is it complicated? Because lies are always complicated since you have to come up with a better lie to hold up the original one. Lies are a building with no Fondation destined to fall
As you can see savoir faire, in addition to comedic arrogance, led to the demise of the argument of the opposition. Attributing statistics from 1900 to 1960 but also ignoring the fact that the destruction of whole communities (such as a Tulsa Oklahoma or the burying of a community such as in Central Park) in combination to the addition of a systemic oppression under the nomer of Jim Crow had yet definitely imposed a harsh and severe restraint against the peoples represented by the affirmative. Furthermore ignoring the fact that by Doctrine such as: The Homestead Act, The General Allotment Act, and the likes of The Racial Integrity Act of 1924, the immigration of European descendants was encouraged. This all of which was achieved systematically by endowing European immigrants with an economic floor, land, the mechanization of said land, and training in which to become mechanized. The same system achieved this while stripping provisions and rights to the land away from the American Negro of whom are original and organic to the land.
Baldwin gave a voice to millions who did not have one. He articulated, eloquently, a common experience of others who simply didn't have a voice. He stood up in a crowd of white people and spoke his truth with courage and clarity. Buckley was surrounded by his white pals in his white club house. He has an incredible knack for stitching together sentences and interjecting various ideas but that's what he learned in his club with whom he was surrounded. Baldwin wins the day with his courage and articulation.
uncle baldwin was in his ebony tower and didnt represent the true american black. Buckley smashed it! here is a thought, a horse that doesnt have the sense to drink is an inherently flawed beast
Listen again to the recording... and tell me that William Buckley Jr is among "white pals in his white club house"? Listen to their responses to both speakers, objectively! -- then you will quickly learn that Jimmy Baldwin is the one surrounded by sympathetic liberals... and indeed Buckley is the one who must show courage in a less that welcoming room. Believe it or not, Marxism was alive & well in the 60's.
If arrogant superiority is amended “no intellectual slouch,” surely, one of those attributes doesn’t subsumes the other, so as to render it irrelevant, no?
Florida public education curriculum developers are still debating this nearly 60 years after this speech and 160 years after the emancipation proclamation. RIP Baldwin.
What aspect of what this great man speaks about, are they debating? I've been following Florida, & I haven't seen seen evidence of bigotry, but rather an appreciation of what James Baldwin speaks of here with regards to essential human rights, identity, & bodily autonomy.
I love how Mr James Baldwin puts the responsibility of racism on the madness of the racist. I used to believe that people experience racism because they are black but Mr Baldwin taught me that they experience racism because something is wrong with those who are racist. After all, if no one was racist, it wouldn't matter if someone was black or not. Rip to the most wonderful teacher. Buckley was an absolute even disgrace even back then. I know this because people like him still exist today, the racist ideals of those people of 1963 still exist in these people of 2023, they just no longer have the freedom to say how they truly feel .
@@charles_prestonyou are under every comment seething over Baldwin. Nothing you say can do will diminish his intellectual contributions to the Civil Rights movement and America as a whole. There is a reason his literature is still read around the globe, and that Buckley’s greatest claim today is that he lost to Baldwin. Everyone seems to understand this but you. You throw around buzzwords in an attempt to discredit him, and allude to the fact he was a queer man (like this would have any bearing on his intellect). You are the ignorance which he speaks of, that’s a detriment to the American Dream. Think critically and educate yourself.
@@gregburden416 "seething over Baldwin"? Are you on drugs? Stop making outrageous assumptions about strangers, online. Younger generations today don't even recognise his name... unless they are studying Neo-Marxism in liberal college indoctrination "studies". William Buckley's rebuttal is so vastly superior to Baldwin's speech... it's not even funny -- and especially because this has nothing to do with race! I am speaking about basic intelligence and, more importantly, wisdom! To claim that Buckley is mainly remembered for this debate immediately tells me everything I need to know about you. Google "Gore Vidal vs William Buckley"... and you will discover how shallow your perception reality truly is. Baldwin became an American expat in Paris, not so much because of race, as it was because of his deviant sexual behaviour. Buckley. on the other hand, was a God-fearing Christian of the highest moral standards, Amen.
@@charles_prestonYou obviously hate socialism and communism. What about this debate in particular made you possibly believe it had anything to do with that topic?
@@KumarAnshs James Baldwin was one of the original 'Anti-racist' writers who achieved moderate success despite his deficiencies in creative writing. He helped birth 'CRT' and of course 'BLM' both of whom became associated with Antifa.... are you still with me? The Cambridge Debate was not won by Mr. Baldwin because his entire speech was more 'drama' and 'political' than a proper defence of the 'motion'. William Buckley Jr., on the other hand gave a gentle yet scathing rebuttal with rare eloquence & wisdom. Baldwin was a complete 'downer'; while Buckley offered hope for Americans & the entire Western World, Amen.
So many people need to watch these debate episodes. What an amazing gem. People should watch and be reminded of what a civil and mature debate looks like.
Y'all know we have to realize that there's hundreds possibly thousands of "Buckleys" throughout government, corporations, education with like mindedness not much has changed from then until present day....these debates and folk's willing to be as brave as Mr.Baldwin could definitely bring attention and Real change to black's here in America
William Buckley's speech is probably the first & also greatest speech on "White Fragility", I've ever heard. Well done chap, you are truly an excellent example of what Amerikkka has always been about.
Jan 2024. I listened to Mr Baldwin, choked-up the entire time. Such a beautifully spoken speech; yet, here we are. It seems "man" cannot fix this, so please all, continue to pray for God's Kingdom to come. ❤
It’s sad that to articulate and intelligent men have to debate race. Imagine if we were only one race. Maybe different shades depending on sun exposure. If race factor was removed from earth. Just one race , the human race. To remove that divide would close windows and open doors. I had to be taught was racism was. I was a non black in a 80/20 black neighborhood. My best friends were black just by statistics. I watch fat Albert and never throught where are the white people. I watched dukes of hazard and never thought were are the black people. I didn’t see Superman as white. The media and people I worked with taught me racism.
Ironically, Buckley comes across as completely insane in this exchange, thereby, proving Baldwin's point about how the two civilizations perceive eachother. Interesting. I've seen Buckley keep it together in conversation one one one with Baldwin but here, at the Union, he falls apart completely.
Buckley keeps it together? Watch his debate WITH Gore Vidal when called a cryptoNazi and Buckley's screaming homosexual slurs and threatening violence.!!!"
Gets me every time I watch this. Buckley of all people accusing Baldwin of having and English accent. Many American intellectuals, actors, etc of the time adopted a Mid Atlantic accent. But not all of them adopted the intolerable sneering snarl of the most pompous of English accents-like good ol' NYC born Buckley did. His cluelessness on this throwaway comment betrays his entire foolish brain. Gets me every-damn-time.
William F Buckley has this reputation for being an amazing debator. Not seeing it. Lots and lots of words, sometimes big words, saying little to nothing. He could have said what he said with about half the words.
Perhaps due to the lack of depth or lack of historical depth, but many overlook the time of this debate, "1965". Again, 1965. It was a time segregation was wide spread in the United States and along with it, an 'in your face hatred'. Baldwin was stating his argument in a mostly white forum in a different country. Even he didn't expect what would happen Hence, the surprised look on his face when they gave him a standing ovation. Though also American, I would imagine Buckley was much more comfortable in his own skin. No pun intended. Considering the position, Baldwin composure, bravery and delivery was enviable. Most people "regardless of color of skin" would've never done it. Therefore, one has to give Baldwin massive, and I mean massive respect.
So true.
I think Baldwin is the greatest American ever lived for so many reasons. He is bang on about racism hard to believe they still told us in history class that Lincoln fought against slavery. Nah, he wanted their help and was then going to give them a colony. They said, no help for you unless we are fully integrated into the country we helped create”. And they were for a short time and then…segregation.
As many have🖤👍🏿✌🏿👊🏿
Think about the Hon.Elijah muhammad referring to the Whiteman as the devil from 30s-1975
Thank you. Much love.
The opening speaker was excellent too. He had a strong well supported description of the problem. We need this type of programming now. Critical thinking needs to be revived.
Facts
I couln,t make it out if the speaker were a reporter or an author It,s just out of curiousity;Thanks.
Absolute brilliant job he did, no question, he had his numbers.
1.6% of Southerners owned slaves in 1860. To pretend that America's power and wealth was greatly influenced by this tiny fraction is absurd
@@southpaw8040 The laws across the entire United States oppressed Black people. It wasn't just the slavery system. It was the Federal Government and Jim Crow Laws.
What a gift, what a blessing it is to be able to see and hear this sort of debate for free and so easily.
Yes! I hope that this clarity and truth spoken for free and available to all will make a difference in the coming years.
Indeed. With reasoning, no personal attacks, or yelling or bragging. Civil discourse is so missed.
THIS DEBATE TOOK PLACE 3 DAYS BEFORE MALCOLM X WAS ASSASSINATED....
Wow!
Wow!!
Wow!!!
Not surprised. We have so much historical fiction coursing through our nations veins. Someday perhaps we will know the truth about how we were lied to and manipulated.
@@SUZSMITHwe will all be long dead before they tell you how they control you
Excellent speech. I'm 73 years old and am surprised I never heard it before. He was a brilliant man.
Are you whit
@@wtf-qr3vq is you being sarcastic...I'm sure she knows her history she's probably enjoying this black and white video of this nice debate...I've learned when you dive deep into ur history you will see the amazing black and white videos Charles Clarke was the awesome man I bumped into last year I was trying to get out of Christianity when I learned the Vatican took Spirituality then twisted the words changed names changed people color then changed it to Christianity then went around the world forcing even killing millions if they didn't believe in Christianity that's bad so yeah I finally got out of Christianity but alone the way it was awesome knowledge poured in it was awesome but check out Charles Clarke if you want true change or insight he is the go to..
It's very cool what is available now on UA-cam.
@@horseshoes3523
There are bad and good in each group of people. But don't let the bad steal your soul.
God is real.
At end of time as we know it many church's won't be true they will be apostate denying the power of God and only trust them self
Pray for understanding and read the Bible for yourself. Christ is the door the way.
It's worth studying search and believe.
And receive .
@@lindamullins1446 you misunderstood I believe in a Spirit that created the universe and being I don't believe in Christianity god the word god originated in the 6th century sooo Christianity named the universe a god and a he that's wrong even the word love was put in that book called bible....see this guy named Herodotus he went to Africa got those people history and when he died the Vatican took what Herodotus wrote down the African past history then he put it in the 1st book of the bible BUT the African history was sapose to have been for the tribe to learn what to eat and what not to eat and how to treat your fellow man it wasn't sent from a person name god it was the AFRICAN HISTORY that's it NOW the African people believe there is a great Spirit that's why SPIRITUALITY is theirs not Christianity with all their mumbo jumbo crap...did you not know EVERY ONE had their own god Africa, Europe, China, Hawaii, Australia and Mexican we all had are own beliefs BUT the Vatican went around the world killing people if they didn't believe in their false god they killed, stolen land raped children, boys and women now that is insane but generation after generation they gave in or die..
I BELIEVE IN SPIRITUALITY NOT CHRISTIANITY and I feel so much better Christianity have dead inn's like heaven or hell and that was put in that book even the word love sooo if you want to believe in Christianity you have at it... my Spirit doesn't hate or racism Christianity is nothing but hatred and don't tell me some of them no ALL them is racist if they wasn't African American men wouldn't be killed like they are Christianity love dog, horses, cats more than African or people of color but SPIRITUALITY is Africans truth as a whole we don't kill but Christianity as a whole they never found humanity name one time a Caucasian was civilized you can't because it's not in them soooo no thank you I'm on the right side of humanity which is SPIRITUALITY....✌️
James Baldwin has the most expressive eyes.....he said SO MUCH......even when he wasn't uttering a Word!!!!
It is one way to describe proptosis😅
@@gerthanekom8910 WoW 🥴
@@gerthanekom8910it's not about proptosis - it's about the warmth and intelligence behind his eyes. What a shame you can't see that.
so does buckley...and he does it without being bugeyed
The man was in poor health from living a sinful lifestyle... died at the age of 63.
Baldwin was a force of nature. One of the most eloquent speeches I think I have ever seen.
amazed his eyes didn't actually pop out.
Bigotry comes in many disguises.
@@toffa1000 wtf?!
Buckley too arrogant to know he's intellectually bankrupt
@@willyandjudyf5937 Hu looks09000
“Accept our history” - James Baldwin. Encapsulates a huge challenge in American society today.
I agree. You should never have gone independent of Britain.
@@edmund184B...B...B...A...A...A...S...S...S...E...E...E...D...D...D!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Neo-Marxists are literally trying to rewrite American history, no joke!
Throwing spears and not being able to build three storey buildings before the white man showed up doesn’t really compare to building the modern world
@@AdamRiddle-c3lthis is literally a-historical. Do you know there were kingdoms in Africa at the same time as Europe?
What struck me most about this was how when Baldwin stepped up to speak he seemed to be in the process of trying to collect his thoughts, a bit nervous even. But as soon as he starts to speak, everything just flows with such confidence, eloquence, and knowledge. The true essence of a writer indeed.
“Until this moment, there is scarcely any hope for the American dream, because the people who are denied participation in it, by their very presence will wreck it; and if that happens it’s a very grave moment for the West.”
If any statement could sum up the 55+ years that followed up this speech it would be that.
42:33 interposed on it
. HEAR, HEAR
2024
Things have not changed.
“Denied participation” we can lead a horse to water, but we can’t make him drink.
This format is desperately needed in our current environment.
This is the Cambridge Union, a debate society that still exists and has essentially the exact same format. They publish many of their debates on UA-cam and so do many others like the Oxford Union.
It would never happen with the loud mouth politics of Marjorie Taylor Green types and Ron Desantis denies of history and racism.
@@MyMomo17 in fairness, their opponents aren’t exactly the most good faith debaters either.
This still happens, Hasan did it like a week ago.
Sadly, the decay of our collective intellect, the remarkable decline of our ability to comprehend this discourse, let alone to verbally express ourselves on a comparable level, has declined so dramatically since this time, that it will never exist again.
This was the high point, in modern (20th century onward) times of political debate.
The change is so stark between now and then that I liken it to the change in our language usage from Shakespeare to 2024 Tik Tok posts.
"The country who you pledged allegiance to did not pledge allegiance to you! " I got that.
It is hardly noteworthy.
@@Legal_Sweetie333it’s very noteworthy.
thats all you got? ...therein lies the perpetual problem....fast forward to Buckley
@@blueyeshadow2738 its is not true and if it were it cuts across race
William Buckley stood up to the woke mob of Cambridge U. and literally destroyed EVERY ARGUMENT put forward by Mr. Baldwin.
I got chills when James Baldwin received a standing ovation! Brave and so intelligent. Baldwin won hands down
Yes, I love the elegant way he spoke with Wisdom and compassion for all of the Black Americans. Now what in the World 🌎 was James Buckley trying to sell White people that there's nothing they could do about our problems. I really tried to follow what he was saying somehow I got lost maybe because I never heard man speak like him.i really thought he was trying to be Insulting !!!Janice Harley
I Love James Baldwin ♥
Yessss! Me too. His voice and stance was not only confident, but commanding. We and they had to hang on to his every word. You have to respond to passion and truth.
How many White guy s standed up and clapped for that white man speaking should have gave James Chills they was evil asf to clap after hearing james B speech..
@@dexpression6579 I will listen again I really did not guite understand him Janice Harley
Thank you for posting this interview.
Yes. Thank you. 🙏🏻
I to appreciate this. I’m 73 years old and I’ll make a point that my great granddaughter gets a chance to see this. Bless you.
Mr. Baldwin is spell binding, mesmerizing, courageous, brave, intelligent and brilliant.
LOL. Preening
Seems like Mr Baldwin is the only coloured person there, that takes balls.
@@fernandieprice3703 there are some others in there just not many.
@@fernandieprice3703
Colored... You dare to refer to black people as colored GTFOHDAB😂😂😂😂😂
That’s why I’m watching, certainly not at all for Buckley
William Buckley believed in an idealized version of America and James Baldwin lived in and saw the real America.
William Buckley was an intelligence asset for Atlanticist and you know who ish elites and helped take out the old right for neoconservatism.
Baldwin was also pushed by these people for radical leftism and racial tension and color revolution the way we allowed them to do over seas and are now doing here.
These talks and Buckley’s talks with Chomsky (on the Epstien list) set the left right Overton window. The same way they do now with Ben Shapiro and Destiny or Piers Morgan as “the height of debate.”
And that's the difference
You got that right😂
AMERICA is indeed IDEAL! There has never been an experiment in human history that rivals the United States! No where there has been such a mixture of different RACES, RELIGION N PEOPLE who co-exist together! It’s not perfect but name one country in the WORLD that can offer what US does!
There are only idealized versions of America in the American mind, bub.
Here we are 60 years later, enthralled, mesmerized by the bold truth of Baldwin's speech. I listened to this speech 2 years ago and I'm back again. Buckley, who had an amazing beautiful speaking voice, nevertheless sounds like fountains of hot air saying nothing
My firs ttime ever hearing James Baldwin speak. My gosh he has such a command over the room. It feels like everyone is holding their breath just to hear the next word
Awesome. I'm a big Baldwin fan.... What made you seek this out?
He still Amazes today,......who Speaks the Truth like Him,..?
Yes because the room is full of privileged white children who have already been exposed to all kinds of neo-marxist dogma. Their treatment of William Buckley... shameful & shocking, especially for that time.
The presenter was very concise and did a great job starting this off
Yes, I was enthralled and enjoyed his introduction
Thank Mike for continuing to bring us content & culture.
Real real talk. Real History.🙏
Just listened today Oct 2023 - I graduated in 1965 this is so profetic of what has happened thru the ages and the debate by Mr Baldwin and Mr Buckley, is still a current issue today. Little has changed. Mr Baldwin was eloquent and real!!
True, still current, however I am curious as to what would’ve have been your view on the topic back then and if it has progressed in your experience! A very valuable experience as your generation has witnessed a lot on this particular issue ! And what’s your thoughts on what’s happening now ? The rise of right wing politics, regression of liberal values , immigration in UK etc !
Really just out of interest! Is is better now compared to the 80s in particular??
I am an African professional expat now living in England
I would add Palestine to that as well, amongst many other colonial & imperial victims of the US, UK & it's cohorts@@deyaomarelnawrani5606
Nothing has really changed. Just the illusions that it has changed. In fact it's worst! Technology, and Thirst to survive! Caused by drugs imagration, public schools, politics, individualism, and greed. Now because their were no real changes after the 1960's. The majority of Blacks are at the bottom. We've been handed a bag of Sh-it every Generation that has been here.
... and William Buckley should have won the vote, easily! Brilliant orator.
@@charles_preston
Good grief…then take off your ear muffs!
GREAT DEBATE SIMPLY GREAT 🧠 I truly wish they had these today outside of the campaign debates
U.S. needs this civil discourse to move this country, not these junk yard cable commentary fits.🤓
They aren't honest and humble most do not believe in God and that people are accountable for their relationships with people!!! Janice Harley
This was called a debate but it clearly is not a debate. This is commentary only.
@@janiceharley9051 what does believing in god have anything to do with this
@@Madilyns because the Creator of heaven and earth saids that people are accountable of how they treat each other as in we should Love our Neighbor as ourself!
I noticed how Buckley claimed Baldwin was affecting a British accent. At the same time I could detect a distinctly southern accent peeking through Mr. Buckley very distinguished way of talk.
If you're American, you might not realize that all the people who suddenly started coughing and clearing their throats were effectively saying "You're full of sh*t." Notice how quiet they were while Mr Baldwin spoke.
He utilized what was called a Transatlantic or otherwise known as a Mid Atlantic accent, it had largely fallen out of usage by the late 1950s but was generally practiced by the upper middle and upper classes on the East Coast, other well known users were Katherine Hepburn and President Franklin Roosevelt. I would say Mr Buckley was the last well known speaker in America that used the accent
also known as talking through clenched teeth accent.@@zachhoward9099
Bingo. He was wicked as he was racist here.
@@zachhoward9099 Exactly!! Plus, the Buckley's lived in a Winter Home in South Carolina which plausibly contributed to his unique speech pattern.
It's too bad that intellectuals like James Baldwin are not taught amongst children. I assume that it would raise the level of education and be too much of a threat.
We read his book Go Tell It On The Mountain in high school.
I teach Baldwin in my High School English classes, and I learned Baldwin in my English classes as a high schooler as well. I think he shows up fairly regularly in curriculum, as most of my colleagues across multiple schools and districts use his work.
They banning books in the south, Nazis burned them
Agreed. I had to discover Baldwin on my own and then buy his book. He wasn’t taught in high school or college.
@@misterwill3625It might depend on the school and time.
I feel privileged to have lived in the age of a great prophet. May Mr Baldwin's prophetic words always be with us, and may he live always in blessed memory.
He died at 63, in France. Do you know... about his private life?
Prophet? You mean a standard black loser coping over his peoples shortcomings
@charles_preston why is that relevant to that statement?
James Baldwin has always been one of my heroes, as both a writer and an activist. He was a brave truth teller. This is such a prophetic debate as we now have irrevocable evidence that the American Dream…based upon financial prosperity…was built on the back of the unpaid labor of slaves and continued after slavery ended through the prison-industrial system.
Okay, care to tell me which of America's skyscrapers were made out of cotton and tobacco?
@@loqutorwho financed the building of said skyscrapers? W men who got rich through generational wealth from cotton and tobacco.
Know where you are before typing dreck on the internet.
Let us not forget that backs were not the only slaves, nor the only people whom were actively discriminated against and used for the benefit to others.
As far as whom actually, physically built the civilization we now call home…that distinction much go to the whites on the whole. There’s no logical argument against this.
@@mickeyshooter5298 o good grief! This is why education is important so that ppl don't spew crap like this on the internet.
It's not a comparison of who has suffered more than the other. It is not Oppression Olympics!
Which enslavement of which people still reverberates in today's society? Black people of course. There used to be open and blatant discrimination against Irish, Italian, Polish et al European immigrants. According to historian Hietala the difference is that within a generation those groups were quickly accepted into white society. They were considered white and therefore the societal privileges extended to them.
Hietala noted in "The Fight of the Century" that the new European migrants quickly realized that despite their obvious linguistic differences, at least they were not Black and treated such!
White men may have funded the buildings and infrastructure, however a culmination of the labour that generated that wealth AND some the inventions like the traffic light, street sweeper, filament within the light bulb etc are attributed to Black people...most of whom never got remuneration for their onerous work.
@@loqutor Which ones weren't funded by monies from those industries?
James Baldwin’s intelligence and courage in speaking his truth has me absolutely star struck.
Why is it surprising, when it is the truth, the surprising thing is the situation existed in so called civilized country, first stolen by the British
@@djpaulcfunkeddub3951 clown
i'll bet
@@WB-yw4pb Obviously debating and history are not your forte.
Does that mean you failed to hear William Buckley's rebuttal?
I wish James Baldwin would have after Buckley. Great to see he received the standing ovation. And what he said was then and sadly still true today.
The circumstances that are don't tell you where and who they are. As a general they're complex in the complete opposite to what typical is considered easy. Conclusions are easy to state, but hard to lead one who is in doubt of them a serious glimpse of how they connect to one another
@@madra000what kind of incomprehensible word-salad written by ChatGPT is this?
Neo-Marxist CRT/BLM protagonist. #AmericanMarxism
"It's called the American Dream because you have to be asleep to believe it." - George Carlin
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Are you quoting George Carlin the comedian/entertainer as someone who doubted the existence of the American dream as being only available in your dreams because I just checked his bio and if you are talking about the comedian George Carlin, he was making upwards of $ 250,000 per year in the 1960 and at his death, he was worth 10 million. That's reality, not a dream. Maybe you mean a different George Carlin ???
Being wealthy is not the only thing the American dream entails.
@@backfloop Fools believe there's an American Dream. It all an illusion.
@@backfloop That's true. It is more about the opportunity to follow your dreams. So again, i think George Carlin is a hypocrite to declare that the American dream is a only dream and not a reality because he got to follow his dreams and get paid for it. Where else but in America can you get paid to say the 7 banned words and think that is entertainment ?
That's some dream he made come true.
James Baldwin's face when Buckley was speaking 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I clocked that too.
Buckley is a real ass!
Especially when Buckley ‘mocked’ Baldwin for speaking with a British accent. Baldwin seemed to take umbrage.
Hahahaha, yes.. Quite a sight
Yeah, eyes bugged out like he has a thyroid problem. Very clownish!!! 🤡 Well, Coonish to be accurate.
I come back to this particular debate every few months and listen to James Baldwin's eloquence and poise which leads me to mourn how much we as a people have fallen.
We can rise and we will I will won’t let the fire die and let my people go blind completely. I’m 26 and I will be a leader
I feel that things are getting better. The light is shining where it needs to be shone…now we need brave people to continue to push on progress for African Americans, for Hispanics, for women. It is worse in many respects but it is not going to get brushed under the rug. Keep pushing for what is right every day.
@@1Truerelentless❤
Where racism is it’s gotten worse, conservatives have gotten farther right.
Today 11/06/24 this resonates more than ever!
James Baldwin clearly gave the more powerful argument and made the more eloquent and convincing speech. 👍
his speech Didn't change the hearts of Evil heart and soul people
Powerful information
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Yea whitey keeps me down. America is racist. What a good argument. I’m gonna go with Buckley.
Mark job: you're racist too. Where is Buckley now. Today an arrogant coward like him could never ever in any office.
Buckley eloquently danced around the issue, he knows the incontrovertible evidence points to slavery economically catapulting the Colonies to a world player. Although slavery was abolished in 1863, the 102 years following to the date of this video, the free labor provided by my forefathers established this country so that European peasants could immigrate to The United States and receive benefits denied to my grandfathers; that also is incontrovertible evidence.
Not true, slavery is not an efficent system of enriching a nation, had the blacks been free the country would have prospered even further, the reason America became so rich was because of the tiny government and the free market without welfare, it was this system that allowed European immigrants to better their lives in America, it's also important to note that all slaves were black but not all black people were slaves, and the vast majority of black people in America today are not descendants from that particular slave trade in America.
@@baltzarbonbeck3559 Very true, what his statement also fails to take in to consideration was that the North abolished slavery between 1774 and 1804. Meanwhile, the south lagged significantly behind the North due to their inability to use human labour as productively and efficiently. Historically, slave labour has never been an effective mode of production, which is also true for similar economic systems (e.g., feudalism). It is also, correct to say that Americans benefited from a small government, less regulation and lower taxes. The drafters of the U.S. constitutions were indeed wise. In fact, the Articles of Confederation (1777) prohibited the ability of the federal government to tax incomes. It is unfortunate to see what has become of the U.S. considering all the checks and balances initially imposed to prevent such corruption from arising.
Industrial revolution had plenty to do it.
It is astonishing that all the checks and balances have not prevented the corruption from occuring. It must be the fate of all civilizations eventually to become tyrannical and collapse, as those checks and balances in our system were brilliantly set in place. I guess the game's not over yet though.
The Civil War destroyed ALL the wealth in the South but it industrialized the North. "Reconstruction" pauperized the south for a century, European immigrants were pauperized as well. They worked for everything they got when they came. They had a BRAIN, unlike so many blacks. They could think AND SPEAK distinctly. SPEECH is an indication of intelligence. If nobody can understand your SPEECH you wont get far. You don't get credit for what you destroyed with criminal behavior.
Buckley then and now sounds like a man full of words that he uses to bullshit his way to say absolutely nothing.
I grew up watching Buckley's television show, Firing Line. As an adult, I read his novels and subscribed to his magazine, National Review. I respected his efforts to push extremists out of the Republican Party, and I admired his eloquence as a speaker. However, James Baldwin was his superior in this exchange. With his preening style and pompous delivery, Buckley had all the gravitas of a mugging villain from a penny dreadful melodrama.
Boom!
Buckley made efforts to push extremists out of the Republican party?
How'd that work out for him, in the long run?
I feel so lucky to see and hear James Baldwin speak. Thank you for posting this
William F. Buckley aka The Artful DODGER! The art of speaking without saying anything!
Buckley could not sound convincing because he was having to leave out too much truth.
Nothing came out his mouth to defend his point. What an intelligent dummy 😊
@@UKAlanRthe truth that he Is racist?
I cannot understand anything he is saying. What is his point?
@@josiahamaze That's the point he is not saying anything he's simply filibustering
This is one of my favorite presentations by Jimmy Baldwin. He's Brilliant--simply Brilliant!
I agree; he definitely is!!!
He was one of the Harlem Renaissance Poets . Langston Hughes too.
Who Is Jimmy Baldwin? Show some respect
@@markquarles7249 lol
@@markquarles7249right.as if he knew the man
James Baldwin, to stand up and say this at this time in history, didn't have balls of steel - he had a soul of steel.
This was not controversial at the time.
The house was opposed to Buckley, not Baldwin. Pay attention!
No one is more convinced and enamored of Buckley's intelligence than Buckley.
only no one's like you
@@leplus1 That pretty much sums up any average schmo with a following
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That could be a complementary comment,In the context of post modernistic Consideration
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I seen this Baldwin wiped the floor with the arrogant Buckley. Respectfully
@Rocky Adkins Yes, he did!!!!
Mr James Baldwin stood up with a elegant stance, with a captive speech with a cool demeanour ayres from Jamaica
Oh? Did he really? Seems a bit more like that room was populated with the very kind of people (white liberals) that Malcolm X warned us about.
😂Ha, Ha.💔
I agree with you and I think there was a need for one more round.
A pleasure to see words / language being spoken so eloquently, and with the sole intent to benefit and progress of all people. Something one rarely sees today. Mr. Baldwin was so much more than just a great writer.
He was a prophet
Baldwin speaks as he writes and believes , no 2 faces....then there's Buckley.
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Baldwin: no 2 faces; Buckley: no true face.
What about Buckley?
Thank you for uploading
Hey Buckley it's not about how you say it it's about what you say. And you didn't say a damn thing. Congratulations Mr Baldwin
Grateful that this was recoded. Thank you.
Remember when such fundamental debates were held, recorded and even broadcast.
They still have them I watch them all the time on UA-cam.
Look up any university debate you’ll see the same caliber discussion today
When whites were the majority
Buckley couldn't have sounded more like an elitist cartoon villian if his life depended on it. Suppose this comes as no suprise from someone who supported Senator Goldwater (attributed as the founder of the Southern Strategy). The parallels between his deflections away from systemic racism and the impacts of slavery ("cheap" labor) to the to the deflections used today to minimize or deny these things was terrifying to be honest. Unfortunately for most who don't live a life directly negatively impacted by systemic racism and/or the legacy of slavery (and the subsequent versions of it) it is easy to not see how insidious Buckley's arguments are. Unfortunately it often takes active effort to learn about the history of those who have and do feel these impacts to understand how Buckley aims to trick those who otherwise would not support his views. It is also for this reason these arguments are still used today in various adaptations and why there has been such a fight from many Republicans to minimize how many people learn this history. In the end they (those who use these strategies) know that most would see them as wrong if they knew the history, so instead they obfuscate and depend on the predictable ignorance many will ultimately have in a world that was built by colonialism and white supremacy.
Pity we can't all be as enlightened as you.
@@tpryce6243yes we can, speak for yourself
Yessir, today's book banning in the south in 2024, US, UK & cohorts support of genocide, the list is long & sinister
@@atravessandorioWhat? Also that comment is hogwash.
Thank you to the author of this post.. and thank you UA-cam at a time when the U.S. government has banned books and curriculum concerning the black experience. Thank you for being a source of accurate information and capturing the feeling of the real history of this nation. I really appreciate this. This should be in every American history class.
No books were ever banned when I grew up in the 70's . All of this information was readily available and we learned about the Slave trade in school, segregation and watched "Roots" for extra credit. You , like Black people at this time in the 60's , are getting sidetracked and tricked. An Articulate man who happened to be Black, living in a Metropolitan area, dressed well as he did, but you NEVER see this anymore. Something called "Black Culture" came in and set Black people back immeasurably. Imagine a culture that worships criminals and thugs and if you speak clearly says you are , "Acting White". The reason why no matter where they live in majority , you see literally identical conditions and crime rates for the same crimes. these people have never met or compared notes, and can live at other ends of the nations yet behave identically? Doesn't anyone finally get it, when it's literally staring you right in the face?. It's the "Culture" and you are programmed to shut up about it and blame a phantom of "White Supremacy".
The U.S. Government banned books?
@getpeko54 absolutely!!! A lot of black historical books
@KillerInstinct-ch5oj absolutely serious
which books did Congress ban?
what a powerful and erudite speech by mr Baldwin
by Mr. Buckley
Did you bother to listen to Buckley's rebuttal?
Buckley made himself look foolish and pompous. Same story in 2021 tho...🤷🏾♂️
And his tone annoys me and makes him clownish to me 🤦🏾♀️
Absolutely
Well the vulgar crowd are usually taken by appearances
He attacked James Baldwin, not the topic...he didn't make any sense. Jimmie debate was cohesive, he stuck to the topic. Buckley just showed up and babble some incoherent points, the whites lol
Buckley was sad he and the whole of Buckley`s are the epitome of the black man's plight it's never going to end
I say as Yul Brynner in the king and I,
I say that Buckley must of been a fool.
I have had the great pleasure of watching several of James Baldwin’s speeches and interviews. In my opinion, this was his finest moment.
he lost the battle, but 'white guilt' voted for him in this 'fine moment' lol duh. nobody beats BUCKLEY in a debate. and William was clowning around doing so, as well as clowning baldwimp and his fake british accent that Buckley pointed out on top of it , lmao.
THEND.
@@atheistleopard618looks like not knowing when you DEFINITELY lost is the new definition of the white man’s burden lol
@@atheistleopard618stupidity has no bound
@@melanin7977 you speak from experience, quim silage huffer.
@@atheistleopard618 STop mistaking me for your Mother!!!
They should play this in every school. We cannot ignore the past very refreshing to watch and informative.
True Words Spoken and To Live By 👏 🙌 🙏. James Baldwin's truthful statement is speaking truth from his grave to this very day. He spoke with such a strong truthful race ideology the some Whites to the very day can't comprehend. James Baldwin was before his time. Thank God for the time we had him in this world.
Count me in for one of the Whites that cannot understand the brilliant race ideology to this day. I am surprised by the comments on this video, I suppose, because of what appears as to be a universal winner of this debate, the brilliant James Baldwin.
As I was listening to Mr. Baldwin I found it distasteful that he was bringing upon himself all of the woes and none of the triumphs of 'his people'. I picked the cotton. I built the railroads. Then, after placing the coat of grievances snugly over his shoulders on his own accord, he goes on to blame the white man for this coat being thrust upon him or existing in the first place.
I thought to myself as I watched Mr. Baldwin and the audience of young white faces in rapt attention, as quiet as can be, hanging on every word, and hearing him taking on his education being a lie, and his realizing that his country didn't have a place for him, unless it was as a savage or a clown. His women raped, his work being what built the American Dream, they are taking in every rhetorical flourish as gospel truth and show in their ovation an emotional empathy and support for the plight of the American Negro to use their parlance, and are blind to the agitation and threats tossed in for good measure. Those who cannot participate in it....will wreck it...coming from a man so obviously not missing out on the american dream himself.
Baldwin, his education, his freedom, his grant to travel abroad and live in France at 24yo and his proximity to the artists of The Harlem Renaissance many of whom also were given handsome grants to pursue their dreams, seems blessed in his experience to not have calloused hands of field work, but more importantly, blessed to have people desire his writings and speeches. It is this blessing that makes his speech come across as sophistry in my eyes, but also doesn't seem to even address the debate topic at hand. The Chinese and the Irish may well have a lot to say about Baldwin's claims that it was He who built the railroads. Leaves quite a bit of other backs for that American Dream to have been hung.
So, do tell, what it is that I simply cannot get because of Baldwin's being so ahead of his time
Jim Baldwin has already been forgotten.
Thank you reel back. Ive listened to Mr. Baldwin and always had much respect. I was 11 when he spoke in this debate.
Buckley was very very good at using racism from the side door - indirect. cold hearted and utterly blind to his own motives. For all his prowess he could and would never examine the core of his own judgements. He uses his intellect like a weapon but in the view of history Buckley was just a rich white guy in love with power employing fancy pretzel logic to dominate the black guy. Buckley was wrong of course in all aspects of the issue at hand. Noted is Buckleys weird transatlantic accent calling out Baldwin for using a so-called fake English accent. We all HEARD Baldwin speak and even thats not true.
I confess that, as Buckley made his way to the podium, I pitied him his task, having to follow Baldwin’s deeply thoughtful, philosophical, and rhetorically successful speech. However, as Buckley neared the end of his pastiche of subtly reactionary comments, I found myself disgusted by his self-servingly blame-the-victim mentality and his thinly veiled threat of racial warfare.
Baldwin had a lifetime to think about it, Baldwin just thought about how he was going to agree, smoke & mirror, lie, then agree again at the end, US politics 101
Baldwins Eloquence Is Unmatched !!!...
He's not just eloquent, he's honest and factual. What a contrast to the superficial self-dramatising Buckley!
@@geoffreynhill2833 he spoke opinion and tghe people here only love his "speech" sadly, thought that was a microagression, these the same people to want black noly safe spaces but hate on muslim bakers and christian artists
Listen to the entire debate... then tell me that Jimmy didn't meet his match?
@@charles_prestonlet the cheer of the audience gauge who was favored
@@CrazyGamer1541 That's due to the fact that they are surrounded by spoiled liberal leaning brats! Do you think being "woke" only started with LGBTQ...?
Love this guy, Baldwin should be highlighted more for his work
Yes, especially Black history.
Baldwin was truly a gift to humankind.
An insightful teacher and hero of our times
I recently finished Nicholas Buccola’s new book, “The Fire is Upon Us: James Baldwin, William F. Buckley, Jr., and the Debate over Race in America”. It is excellent. It traces their lives, in context, leading up to the encounter at Cambridge.
JAMES BALDWIN, MARTIN LUTHER KING JNR, FARAKHAN, MARCOM X These were the good,the bad,and the ugly of the days
Yes, I want to read this. Thx. But Buckley seems like a vile creature.
@@ryand141 I think you’ll find your thought well supported. Buckley was only interested in “winning” the debate as such. He thought he’d won it because he didn’t concede any points to Baldwin. A good debater’s point of view, but intentionally avoiding the truth of Baldwin’s arguments.
It’s quite a contrast with Baldwin’s humanity. Having grown up in the South, I had heard all of Buckley’s points many times before. Unfortunately, Buckley’s views are still entrenched in so much of the rhetoric from the Republicans today. Baldwin is one of my go-to people when I need to find some sanity.
I know you’ll find the book well written and very informative.
@@williamwenck5712 Honestly, I didn't understand his argument, Buckley's. His personal attack on Baldwin was crude and even Baldwin was shocked. Baldwin's talent was immense. The line when he said 'their consolation is like a heavenly revelation' was brilliant. It was an emotive speech but it was also very factually correct. It was profound in every sense. I agree completely with Baldwin when he said racism is cowardly. It is, because, after all, civilization began in Africa. We all can trace our roots back to that point.
@@williamwenck5712 Yes, the entrenchment you mention. I see it. There are people on the chat who mention Buckley won the debate and black people always play the victim card etc, and black people are the criminals. Well, I don't see that. I think it's the complete opposite. You will never convince some people, unfortunately. I wonder how certain people can become so brainwashed in their thinking. I mean, Baldwin got a standing ovation from the house at Cambridge University and they think Buckley won the debate. How on earth can you come to that conclusion?
Baldwin tore them a new ass in the first 5 minutes or less ... the Indian is you black man...damn !... this was bebeautiful, I'm touched deeply.
Right. You demonstrate the assumption that one group of people has a monopoly on discrimination and suffering. Baldwin appeals to emotion, buckley to intellect.
@@lukeman62 America was built on the backs of black people. Slave labor. We used that labor to get ahead so quickly.
@@lukeman62 Intellect? It is not intellect to defend Nazis as being "heroic" in WWII, nor is it intellectual to say that their torture of people was put on track by the Normandy landing, which are two things Buckley argued for only four years later. It is also not intellect to cut off your opponent at every opportunity to prevent them from finishing any point, or to dismiss their arguments by calling them queer, or to threaten to punch them, which are all things Buckley did when he had debates in a setting he controlled.
Even if we were to just look at Buckley in this debate, especially during 1965, Buckley is just plain wrong while Baldwin's opening speech is entirely correct.
Buckley was king of emotional arguments that have no basis in reality, and a sympathizer for the wrong side in WWII.
@@lukeman62 you tried, Luke. You failed, but you tried, and we commend you for the attempt.
@@lich109You managed to read intelligent and fail miserably at the same time.
I come back to this every year. One needs to be reminded of what our those before us had to endure for us to reap the benefits of today. National treasure Baldwin is!
The black gentlemen and women and children of those days went through far, far more than what many go through today. Many people in general today are cry babies no matter what creed they are. We're in a generation of people who smash and burn up buildings, tip and burn cars, destroy local businesses and threaten to harm people in their homes. And yet you admit that certain people are reaping benefits today? Why all the rioting then?
Personally as a father to two mixed raced children, I'm glad that people of black ancestry or complexion aren't persecuted like they were. Now it's only the elderly and a relatively small chunk of young people who have inherited the racism.
The fact is, the rules of today are if you look like you want to succeed you will be given opportunities. I have come across not one employer who never employed a black or Asian person. Perhaps cause true racism doesn't exist anymore and the places that racism still does exist and thrive, aren't even white countries.
Thank God the original, racist and violent police force has been replaced by something just as bad.
@@tonyoliver2167 Are you suggesting that only in recent times has private property ever been damaged due to socioeconomic or political injustice in this country? Have you heard of The Boston Tea party? Do you think that they just talked it out? Also, most of success is completely luck. I mean, exactly how much of your effort did you exert in order for you not to be born a destitute minority? Before you were born were you working 60 hour weeks so that you weren't born with a socioeconomic handicap? Your arguments about racism are fallacious; you're literally saying that because you never met a racist employer, that means that there are none? What is more likely: That racial prejudice has been wiped away from the face of this country because you never personally see it or that you're just lucky enough or sheltered enough to have never really witnessed it? Why do republicans have to gerrymander then if minorities are so well represented and fairly treated? If there is no "true racism", why has there been a rise in hate group memberships in the last 2 decades? Are they not "true" racists?
What benefits are those if we are still impacted by white supremacy ideology?
@@tonyoliver2167 I think you’re delusional if you think that racism does not still exist in America. I feel sorry for your children.
P.S. - A lot of the people engaging in smashing windows, destroying businesses, etc. were agent provocateurs. There were eyewitnesses who saw police dressed in military-style clothing, systematically walking down the street smashing store windows. Others saw huge piles of bricks left outside stores for people stupid enough to pick them up and throw them, only to be arrested shortly thereafter. Besides, about 95% of those demonstrations were peaceful. It was a small minority who engaged in the type of behavior you mentioned. And btw - The police are just as violent and racist as they ever were.
@@tonyoliver2167 "People used to have it worse so quit trying to make it better now."
'Now will bring the voice of actual experience to the debate' that was a great line dude
😃I caught that zinger too. Well delivered.
Around 14:30 for anyone wondering
I wish we has someone like James Baldwin living among us now. We could use someone who has the articulate ability to speak truth to power that is much lacking today.
James Baldwin was a extraordinary man. He fought for social justice for himself as well others. This society needs more individuals like him in the past,present, and future!! Richard Shackelford Shackelford
Check out Thomas Sowell. He's still alive and grew up just a few blocks from Baldwin .
Ta-Nehisi Coates and many others but it doesn't matter like James said here "I don't know and neither does MLK, none of us know, how to deal with those other people who the white world has ignored for so long. Who don't believe with the white world says or what black leaders say." That's the political ground now on both sides.
@@markstuber4731 it's crazy more people aren't aware but given most of his ideas, no wonder
Rap.
Thank God for this channel for showing tapes of what actually happened and what was said. Note both speakers are civil, not screaming or brazenly insulting.
Yeah, times have changed, and not necessarily for the better in many way, since 1965.
If you mean being sarcastic, facetious, and he was insulting and demeaning as being civil!
I would disagree.
Buckley was typically ignorant, defensive and arrogant.
He attacked in a debate which showed his lack of character.
Can't believe anyone actually clapped for him
So True L♥️VE This Channel & Who Put It Together ❤
BOTH AS IN THE FIRST AND THIRD. THE SECOND ONE SOUNDED LIKE THE WHITE FOLKS THAT BE IN COMMENT SECTIONS PERTAINING TO BLACK PEOPLE. STRAIGHT IGNORANCE!
Baldwin was the man. He won this hands down.
Mr Buckley, the 1st man to speak using "word salad".
And debates have exponentially gone down hill ever since.
@@chidumebi1641 Lol The Ignorant cannot speak on behalf of intelligent, so please stop trying to.
Yeah, it was like a kid who focuses on grammar to tell a story. Utter rubbish. You can tell he was home-schooled, force fed crap, basically.
pure wisdom in J. BALDWIN and powerful facts came from the first speaker also
Did you not listen to the other speakers?
Buckley used humor when no real argument is available to him. He also wanted the audience to know he has an excellent vocabulary and can speak in somewhat of a rhythm.
I believe both parties articulated the perspective native to their people. What would say was the underlying point to Buckleys presentation?
. . . I found his tone annoying.
I wonder if he had Shakespearean acting experience. I have recently been watching succession and I have been reading a lot about how Brian coxs history of being a Shakespearean actor made him the ideal actor for playing Logan Roy. The creator stated that the script has a rhythm and musicality to it that resembles Shakespeare
@@PiPoholic-it don't matter. What British kid said about arrests in south vs those in voting polls was enough.
This is a common tactic of reactionaries, I noticed Christopher Hitchins frequently utilized this approach throughout his debate with Michael Parenti and had just as much egg on his face
Never fed up listening Baldwin over and over again
Excellent, a standing ovation totally deserved. James Baldwin experience shone and can be related to in some aspect to peoples lived experience today. I would not have wanted to be in Buckley's shoes, but at least he tried.
THIS HAS REMINDED ME OF WERE WHAT WE HAD TO DO JUST TObe humans. Being s.iam 82 years old. Thank you.
It's still very bad,
Baldwin was a powerful speaker, compelling.
Buckley says America's problem is complicated. Why is it complicated? Because lies are always complicated since you have to come up with a better lie to hold up the original one. Lies are a building with no Fondation destined to fall
Mr Baldwin is such an elegant speaker who articulate his words very well
@@rinkinkel"anyone speaker"?
Do you grammar friend?
@@rinkinkel😂🤡
Did you bother to hear Buckley's eloquent rebuttal?
As you can see savoir faire, in addition to comedic arrogance, led to the demise of the argument of the opposition. Attributing statistics from 1900 to 1960 but also ignoring the fact that the destruction of whole communities (such as a Tulsa Oklahoma or the burying of a community such as in Central Park) in combination to the addition of a systemic oppression under the nomer of Jim Crow had yet definitely imposed a harsh and severe restraint against the peoples represented by the affirmative.
Furthermore ignoring the fact that by Doctrine such as: The Homestead Act, The General Allotment Act, and the likes of The Racial Integrity Act of 1924, the immigration of European descendants was encouraged.
This all of which was achieved systematically by endowing European immigrants with an economic floor, land, the mechanization of said land, and training in which to become mechanized. The same system achieved this while stripping provisions and rights to the land away from the American Negro of whom are original and organic to the land.
“EXACTLY”!!! Very well Put ….Truth!!!
What I now, understand is when people treat you badly it's done on purpose....
Powerful. Failure to encounter our own history has deeply harmed our country, harmed ourselves.
That's because the more you dig the uglier it gets & points back to the same issues today in a more sophisticated form
The look on Mr Baldwin's face as Buckley speaks..PRICELESS
Buckley was an idiot's idea of a smart man. Vidal was able to exploit that.
Why is one Mr and the other not? Personal bias?
@@sleddy01Buckley did not conduct himself with the same class as Baldwin.
@@jiminswriter4209 so he's not addressed as Mr?
@@sleddy01 He can be addressed as Mr., but not because he is highly respected, just out of common courtesy.
Baldwin gave a voice to millions who did not have one. He articulated, eloquently, a common experience of others who simply didn't have a voice. He stood up in a crowd of white people and spoke his truth with courage and clarity. Buckley was surrounded by his white pals in his white club house. He has an incredible knack for stitching together sentences and interjecting various ideas but that's what he learned in his club with whom he was surrounded. Baldwin wins the day with his courage and articulation.
uncle baldwin was in his ebony tower and didnt represent the true american black. Buckley smashed it! here is a thought, a horse that doesnt have the sense to drink is an inherently flawed beast
Listen again to the recording... and tell me that William Buckley Jr is among "white pals in his white club house"? Listen to their responses to both speakers, objectively! -- then you will quickly learn that Jimmy Baldwin is the one surrounded by sympathetic liberals... and indeed Buckley is the one who must show courage in a less that welcoming room. Believe it or not, Marxism was alive & well in the 60's.
HERE, HEAR!
Baldwin at his best. Wm F his ever supercilious self, no intellectual slouch -and an awesomely weak opponent of Baldwin.
If arrogant superiority is amended “no intellectual slouch,” surely, one of those attributes doesn’t subsumes the other, so as to render it irrelevant, no?
the contrary
Did you even bother to hear Buckley's full speech?
Florida public education curriculum developers are still debating this nearly 60 years after this speech and 160 years after the emancipation proclamation.
RIP Baldwin.
What aspect of what this great man speaks about, are they debating? I've been following Florida, & I haven't seen seen evidence of bigotry, but rather an appreciation of what James Baldwin speaks of here with regards to essential human rights, identity, & bodily autonomy.
@farmfamdorrie😂😂😂I don't know what Florida you are following.... 😂
Curriculum
@@richardouvrier3078 thanks
Texas too :(
Thank you for sharing ❤
I love how Mr James Baldwin puts the responsibility of racism on the madness of the racist. I used to believe that people experience racism because they are black but Mr Baldwin taught me that they experience racism because something is wrong with those who are racist. After all, if no one was racist, it wouldn't matter if someone was black or not. Rip to the most wonderful teacher. Buckley was an absolute even disgrace even back then. I know this because people like him still exist today, the racist ideals of those people of 1963 still exist in these people of 2023, they just no longer have the freedom to say how they truly feel .
My folks spoke highly of Mr. Baldwin for years after this went down in 65. I was not born until 1968.
I was born in 63 and Baldwin's name was in the media because he was one of the original CRT/Neo-Marxist agitators of the 60's.
@@charles_prestonyou are under every comment seething over Baldwin. Nothing you say can do will diminish his intellectual contributions to the Civil Rights movement and America as a whole. There is a reason his literature is still read around the globe, and that Buckley’s greatest claim today is that he lost to Baldwin. Everyone seems to understand this but you. You throw around buzzwords in an attempt to discredit him, and allude to the fact he was a queer man (like this would have any bearing on his intellect). You are the ignorance which he speaks of, that’s a detriment to the American Dream. Think critically and educate yourself.
@@gregburden416 "seething over Baldwin"? Are you on drugs? Stop making outrageous assumptions about strangers, online.
Younger generations today don't even recognise his name... unless they are studying Neo-Marxism in liberal college indoctrination "studies". William Buckley's rebuttal is so vastly superior to Baldwin's speech... it's not even funny -- and especially because this has nothing to do with race!
I am speaking about basic intelligence and, more importantly, wisdom! To claim that Buckley is mainly remembered for this debate immediately tells me everything I need to know about you.
Google "Gore Vidal vs William Buckley"... and you will discover how shallow your perception reality truly is. Baldwin became an American expat in Paris, not so much because of race, as it was because of his deviant sexual behaviour.
Buckley. on the other hand, was a God-fearing Christian of the highest moral standards, Amen.
@@charles_prestonYou obviously hate socialism and communism. What about this debate in particular made you possibly believe it had anything to do with that topic?
@@KumarAnshs James Baldwin was one of the original 'Anti-racist' writers who achieved moderate success despite his deficiencies in creative writing. He helped birth 'CRT' and of course 'BLM' both of whom became associated with Antifa.... are you still with me?
The Cambridge Debate was not won by Mr. Baldwin because his entire speech was more 'drama' and 'political' than a proper defence of the 'motion'. William Buckley Jr., on the other hand gave a gentle yet scathing rebuttal with rare eloquence & wisdom. Baldwin was a complete 'downer'; while Buckley offered hope for Americans & the entire Western World, Amen.
BALDWIN IS GREATLY MISSED !!! 😞
Wow. Read Thomas Sowell for truth.
No, not really.
So many people need to watch these debate episodes. What an amazing gem. People should watch and be reminded of what a civil and mature debate looks like.
Man mr. Baldwin's words strike like an ice pick between the eyes.
Y'all know we have to realize that there's hundreds possibly thousands of "Buckleys" throughout government, corporations, education with like mindedness not much has changed from then until present day....these debates and folk's willing to be as brave as Mr.Baldwin could definitely bring attention and Real change to black's here in America
They've been bought and paid for a long time ago and some are black also
William Buckley's speech is probably the first & also greatest speech on "White Fragility", I've ever heard. Well done chap, you are truly an excellent example of what Amerikkka has always been about.
Cry me a river, black fragility is much more pathetic
Jan 2024. I listened to Mr Baldwin, choked-up the entire time. Such a beautifully spoken speech; yet, here we are.
It seems "man" cannot fix this, so please all, continue to pray for God's Kingdom to come.
❤
Jimmy Baldwin was no Christian, trust me! That's why he moved to Paris.
It’s sad that to articulate and intelligent men have to debate race. Imagine if we were only one race. Maybe different shades depending on sun exposure. If race factor was removed from earth. Just one race , the human race. To remove that divide would close windows and open doors. I had to be taught was racism was. I was a non black in a 80/20 black neighborhood. My best friends were black just by statistics. I watch fat Albert and never throught where are the white people. I watched dukes of hazard and never thought were are the black people. I didn’t see Superman as white. The media and people I worked with taught me racism.
James Baldwin was magnificent. It’s a joy to listen to him.
Ironically, Buckley comes across as completely insane in this exchange, thereby, proving Baldwin's point about how the two civilizations perceive eachother. Interesting. I've seen Buckley keep it together in conversation one one one with Baldwin but here, at the Union, he falls apart completely.
Buckley keeps it together? Watch his debate WITH Gore Vidal when called a cryptoNazi and Buckley's screaming homosexual slurs and threatening violence.!!!"
Buckley's insane demeanour demonstrates nothing but cowardice from being seen lucidly.
I learned Buckley delved into disturbing darkness at the Long Island facility....
Buckley could not match Baldwin’s brilliance!!!!
Guilt
Gets me every time I watch this. Buckley of all people accusing Baldwin of having and English accent. Many American intellectuals, actors, etc of the time adopted a Mid Atlantic accent. But not all of them adopted the intolerable sneering snarl of the most pompous of English accents-like good ol' NYC born Buckley did. His cluelessness on this throwaway comment betrays his entire foolish brain. Gets me every-damn-time.
Many, many thanks for sharing this with the world.
27:15 "To prove one's title to the land... The American soil is full of the corpses of my ancestors"
William F Buckley has this reputation for being an amazing debator. Not seeing it. Lots and lots of words, sometimes big words, saying little to nothing. He could have said what he said with about half the words.
Ty!!! I was looking for this comment.
thank you for posting.