Vocal Coach Reacts! Jinjer! Pisces! Live!
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- Опубліковано 13 сер 2019
- I think I went catatonic with shock listening to this!
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Vocal Coach Reacts! Jinjer! Pisces! Live!
Hello!
Just a quick message to clarify a point that keeps coming up! :)
I guess when I recorded this reaction I wasn't really thinking about people that were actually into metal as my audience (bit stupid of me really haha!) so my comment of the growl/scream not being "as loud as you'd think it is" is kind of aimed at people who've never heard metal. To a new listener, it sounds insane, like a lions roar or something, so I was trying to explain it in a way that made more sense to a casual watcher. I'm aware that some metal screams are very loud, and some not loud at all (and that can differ from singer to singer, i've been told tatianna has a pretty loud scream live, which i'm keen to hear!)
I'd also like to say how enjoyable it's been reading (most of) your comments on this video! You're all hugely knowlegable and keen to give me insights here and there, it's made me really want to dive deeper into the genre and broaden my horizons a little bit. I used to listen to some metal in my teens, but fell off the wagon :(
Anyway, thanks again for watching, and look forward to carrying on the conversation!
Don't worry my guy. You did a good job.
@@aamiw99 Thank you! :)
You're dead wrong. No effect made her growls and screams much louder. Try listening more to her stage/live performances, she's way better than most metal screamers, particularly men.
@@LeaFarNas802 in this video there was absolutely double tracking on singing and screaming. But shes amazing live either way.
While the bulk of your audience may not be metalheads, typically when we see reactions to metal bands, especially this one and this song in particular, we come en masse because we all know that NO ONE expects THAT sound to come from THAT body if they're not familiar with Jinjer. We come for the reaction and to answer any questions the Reactor may (will) have about whether it's actually her or not. Mostly we come for the faces made when she breaks it out first time. 😁😁 I don't miss the chance to see anyone react to this, especially vocal coaches.
I lost count of how many Jinjer reactions I've watched. I will view every one that I discover.
I really get into that too! It's such a perfect surprise for a new listener. ...and of course I love Jinjer. 😋
I have watched everyone to date and I stil love seeing peoples first reactions
Same. I can't help myself. Lol.
Same
Same, I need an intervention!
I think watching Jinjer reactions is a new hobby the internet created.
The original video has 25 MILLION views because of it
@@ajayjust2626 nothing wrong with that at all
@@jacksondewit6935 Absolutely. It's brilliant watching all the reactions 😁
@@ajayjust2626 took a bunch of people to see avatar that had no idea what they were in for and it was awesome
Honestly it's just fun seeing how different people react to the switch. Didn't someone else on another video say "Jinjer face" is becoming a thing?
But yeah, damn I've realistically listened to this song hundreds of times through reactions on top of actually listening to it in the shower etc. It's still not old.
Almost all that react to Jinjer “Pisces” receive that slap in the face the first time.
I love, how some of the reactors go full exorcist ^^
@@samueljoost320 😂😂😂
More like a cock in the mouth after they open it lol
"They're a good band! Kinda rock.."
_Oh just wait_ 😂
Tatiana is an actual goddess. She's both the angel and demon sitting upon my shoulders
Some of us need an angel that can growl their diapleasure of our lifechoices.
@@LunarisArts LMFAO
@@LunarisArts You win favorite comment of the week!
Your angles halo hangs off their horn too i take it =)
@@LunarisArts 👏😊👌
Watch either the new video of Perennial at Wacken, or the concert video Who Is Gonna Be The One (Live) as a follow-up. The latter is where Tatiana really shows of what she can do with her growls (spoiler: she goes lower haha). Perennial is a great all around song and the video from Wacken is beautiful.
Yeah that one from Wacken is amazing. They demolished in front of a gigantic crowd.
I Speak Astronomy live for more clean vocals.
@@juyifan7933 The belting in the performance of I Speak Astronomy at Resurrection Fest is epic - starts at the 14-minute mark in the full set performance video.
Yes!!
Yes, live at Wacken, from few days ago...I'm interested in what you'll think of her cleans there. Here's the link: ua-cam.com/video/bxi3i9wzQBk/v-deo.html
Tatiana smokes, drinks, doesn’t warm up, never got trained. It’s all a natural talent to achieve the greatest vocal fry on the planet. Her Glottal folds are vibrating beyond belief. She has the voice of a thousand warriors and equally mind blowing live.
There is compression, delay, reverb, dual layer or time shift and a whisper track occasionally too.
Possibly micro shift as well.
All minor effects.. the majority is all her.
God love her🤘
You gotta appreciate just the absolute control she has. Phenomenal
The more I listen to Pisces, the more I love this song. The lyrics are a poem, the band is incredible, Tatiana has taken my heart. When I take the doggies for a long walk in the dunes, I listen to it over and over and secretly try and sing the clears while softly trying to get the feel of the growls in my body. (yes people might think I'm crazy, and they are bloody right!!! Hahaha)
I try doing the growls as well 😂
Wow.... you are the first reactor i've seen who has noticed the double layer BEFORE the second Verse! Kudos.
Teacher, Teacher also displays amazing vocal roller coaster
Mic ain't doin the work bro. If her mic cuts out during a vocal fry / scream...you can still hear her over the band..just like George Fisher of Cannibal Corpse. Believe it. Saw and heard it happen live with both bands. Can't wait to see Jinjer again in October
his point is valid if you listen to the nuance and specific words he used... he said the mic does much of the work - spoiler - it always does. Why the heck you think we have sound systems man? not saying she can't project, but everyone needs a mic. maybe you heard them over the band in the front pit, but the back of an arena? no way my dude.
Mic is doing fuck all, I have to put my mic further away when screaming so as with high pitch belting
🤘😈
Jinjer without the post production: Jinjer - Perennial (Live Wacken)
Man I'm convinced that if you include all of the reaction channels and the people that watch them, this video is the most watched video on UA-cam. Prove me wrong.
Pantera has a video over 200 million views, I believe it's Walk
The crazy part about Tatiana, is without a doubt her transition from clear vocal to screaming. Doing it on record is one thing, but I saw Jinjer live this year and it was mindblowing!
3:13 - this is the reason most people watch these reactions, for that eye-popping look of surprise.
You need to watch her actually live. It's totally her. she can definitely do this even better than this on stage. she does it better than almost anyone. And the band is ridiculously talented. This song is always the first song people say to watch and I guess that's a good thing because it draws you in and you don't believe it and maybe that's why. But Tatiana is for real. And these dudes are so goddamn good. Follow the suggestions for actual live on stage stuff.
There are a lot of videos of her singing live. She has got a lot of control over her voice. She can 'switch' between different technics quite effortlessly (it seemed).
It was double layered. It was a live session but the bassist said they added to the song so it could be turned into a music video. Her chorus has a double scream as well.
I never get tired of watching these reactions. Everything about the video gives me the chills. The musicianship is just extraordinary.
I have a half-dozen of your vids saved to watch. You give good reactions and commentary. Thank you and keep it up!
Oh boi, we got another!
What I like to see in a good Jinjer-Pisces reaction.
1. Startlement. I mean, come on, we LOVE to see people startled by it.
2. Either reactors who DON’T know what is going on, but appreciate the music anyway, OR someone who does know what is going on, and respects Tati’s talent and the work she puts in.
Nicely done.
Tati is a Metal Goddess, she is for real talented and knows what she's doing.
How come you haven't made a reaction on Nightwish - Ghost Love Score (live on Wacken 2013)? It's kinda mandatory, especially for vocal coaches 😉
Tihomir Tomov I’ve never heard of them! I’m a baby UA-camr in the grand scheme of things (only been doing these videos a few months) and I’ve mainly listened to soul music, but totally keen to broaden my horizons! Thanks for the tip!
That'll open a whole new world for you.... Nightwish fans are avid and will inundate you with lots of requests. There are only two rules with Nightwish. 1. Live versions only. 2. Never, never ever compare Floor Jansen (the current singer) with Amy Lee. Other than that, you're in for a treat.
@@SSTVocalCoach You're very welcome! And also I agree with Daniel Candler, even though I'm not part of the youtube's Nightwish army. Maybe I didn't made you a favor recommending Nightwish, just because after you make your first reaction you will be flooded with requests for more songs.
Don't get me wrong, I love Nightwish, I love Floor since the late 90's, long before she joined the band. And also as a musician I can say that she's closest to the perfect singer you can ever hear. But I can recommend a tone of bands and singers as well, if you're interested.
Carry on, mate! The music is all that matters.
Actually the other live version is better.
@@EvenBratsberg which one? If you mean the one from Buenos Aires 2012, I can agree, but only as a passionate performance, the Wacken version is better as a technical performance. If you refer to Tarja's version from End of an Era dvd.... I don't think is good to compare Tarja and Floor in any way.
The most common reaction people do after this is Jinjer's live stage performance of "Who Is Gonna Be The One". There are fewer clean vocals in it but you can see what she's like with less post production. It's really amazing.
Your analysis is so perfect. Thank you!
The layering and post production was mainly from the record label. Listen to Who is gonna be the one
i agree. they did some doubling and tripling as a substitute for her doing mostly closed placement on her consonants both clean and fry scream. seems the parts they augmented were her mix voice plus closed sounds for 3 notes at a time..
GOD you are so amazing with your technical reaction to this. Thank you for being so engaged with the technical aspects of this song.
I really liked your reaction. Great job. Keep giving your honesty! It is priceless in this day and age.
My favorite track of Jinjer is "Teacher, Teacher".
It shows much more of her and her band members brilliance. So many different sides to their art. Their songs are so diverse and always different.
I recommend live performances to see the true power of her vocals without any polishing or double ups. Who is Gonna be the one live, or maybe the more recent Perennial in Wacken 2019.
Wow really great and amazing analysis. You got so many things right especially about her volume. I’ve been a fan of theirs for very long and I’ve done vocal fry screaming for a while and you were very right about the volume and I think it was a great catch when you talked about the double layer. Great and amazing reaction.
Thank god she isn't hurting herself. She's using the false vocal thing. At least that's what I've heard.
Best reaction I’ve seen. You pointed things out I haven’t heard before. Like the layering. And she wasn’t projecting much volume. Well done
Check out Perennial Live at Waken 2019. She goes from a very deep growl to clean singing in a split second right in front of a close up camera. It's all her doing the work, not the mic.
In an interview afterwards, they said they went back in and did some overdubs. I noticed some doubling much later on the word "underworld", and was hoping that they had just split her signal and processed the parts differently with EQ and delays live. So I guess they should have called it "Studio Session" instead. It's pretty good how the lyrics, which concern the dual nature of the Pisces sign, and her wanting love but also being reluctant due to past hurts, is reflected by the 2 voices.
That was probably the best analysis of this version of this track I've seen.
Yeah, she definitely has a vocal effect on her voice during those few parts. She sounds great doing dry vocals in the verses as well! Tatiana is a beast! I Speak Astronomy is great too!
As far as Jinjer tracks I would say Who Is Gonna Be The One (Live), Perennial, and I Speak Astronomy are good songs to show Tatiana's vocals as well as the bands talent. Also, if you can find them watch the live videos from concerts.
Please react to Nightwish - Ghost Love Score (Wacken 2013)
Massive knowledge bro! Bang on🤘Deadly reaction👌👌👌
I Love watching reactions to this song! I just can't get enough of them!!! 😂
i loved how your face lit up every time it went into the growling. Also, i like that you straight away realized that all the post production was only in gain/volume and the doubling of vocals, but no distortion etc.
After this, you need to check out Devin Townsend - Deadhead live at Royal Albert Hall.. you'll have a blast!
One of the best descriptions of a vocal fry “scream” without being able to produce said scream; and still explained it in layman’s terms so that someone who had ever heard of this before could understand.
You have to watch Nightwish man, just do it. The fans are waiting...
Matthew MacWilliams I agree. I love the technical view on floors voice. Go for it. Ghost Love score live at wackin.
It’s called false chord screaming and it utilizes the vestibular fold rather than the vocal chords. It actually has a pretty good volume to it and doesn’t totally rely on amplification from the mic. She’s a master at it with amazing control. She also sometimes uses fry screams for the higher screams, which does use the vocal chords, but at a healthy lower volume balancing chord compression with a controlled release of less air.
Tee Totally agree! I called it constriction, which is the term I use for what you describe in your comment (which is incredibly well written btw!) I’ve referenced what I mean by that in previous videos, but probably should have reiterated in this video for clarity. I also agree it’ll have a decent volume, just that it won’t be *AS* loud as it may be perceived by some. It’s such a cool quality, I’m gonna do a bit more digging and get a better understanding of metal screams, as I know there are loads of variants. Thanks for watching!
@@SSTVocalCoach - Watch Mary Z's video about Tatiana, Jinjer's singer. She explains what technique she uses and what are the signs that she's using that specific technique and not others that sound similar: ua-cam.com/video/fmigFM99NgA/v-deo.html.
I think you are exactly number 1000 in reacting to this old Jinjer song. Congratz!!!!
Great reaction. As others have said, you should listen to Jinjer's live performance of "Perennial". You'll be blown away by both her vocals and stage presence.
Considering Tatiana been doing same for over 13 years now I'm sure her voice is good n solid.
You need to react to them doing "Perennial" live at Wacken, dropped recently!
Also "Teacher Teacher" is another great song by them!
Anyway keep at it man, Respect from 0121! 🤘🏼
I never get tired of watching reactions to that video. Never!
Sam Carter of Architects has intense projection and a very unique vocal style. Would be great to see a review and reaction of Architects // Royal Beggars (LIVE)
You should definitely react to Jinjer - Who Is Gonna Be the One live (there should be an official video posted by their label). It has pretty much everything, softer parts, awesome singing, and some insane growls
As others have pointed out, Perennial (live) and Who is Gonna Be the One? (live) are great ways to see her versatility. "Teacher Teacher" is also a wonderful song by Jinjer.
In one of the many articles that I have read about Jinjer and Tatiana, it was mentioned that she has/is working with Melissa Cross as her vocal coach.
I literally get chills every time the heavy part kicks in for the first time.
Edit: and the end part...
Jinjer - Pisces original video description: added over some extra lines, like a few backing vocals and guitars.
GlitchMan ahh I didn’t see that! I try to go into a reaction as blind as possible, so I do no prior reading in case something gives away an element of surprise.
I must say though, good on them for shedding some light on the process of the session- many wouldn’t and I’d be fighting against a tide of people telling me it was raw!
It says in the description vocal layering was added in post production but check out a "real" live performance she sounds the same. In the newer live performances she has a backing track in some parts but u can tell she is extremely talented
I'd love to see you listen to another of their songs that is a true live recording. The live is just as impressive. Please check out Perenial Live at Waken.
Fuck she's amazing. I've watched dozens of these reactions and listen to Jinjer all the time and she blows me away every time.
My guy you have caught the attention of the metal side of youtube. Be ready for many metal requests, I can already see all the wonderful Nightwish recommends, wonderful place to start for symphonic metal.
It's good, that you had the balls to mention the postproduction. In other Reaction videos there was just 'No, that's not her' OR 'Yes, that's absolutely her' (in the comments too). I think, she as a performer and her Voice as her Instrument are extraordinary and for me it's O.K. to underline the greatness oft all this in the postproduction.
"... that this lady is doing very well..." LMAOOOO politest, charmest reviewer ever!!! 😅 You rock dude! 🤘
Thank You! :)
If I closed my eyes, I would swear this was Mrs. Doubtfire reacting to Jinjer. “Oh dear....”
Hahahaha amazing! I might get the outfit for next time and change my intro to "HELLLOOOOOOOOOOO DEARS"
Really good ear! I could hear the post production that layered some of the vocals, but not that early in the song. Tatjana is quite extraordinary though - she's literally the first singer that does those screams that didn't turn me off the song. So this song, when I first heard it, blew my mind twice over; first, that such a sound could come out of such a small female body, and second, that I.... actually kinda liked it.
For an example of how she sounds without such post production, I highly recommend reacting to the live version of Jinjer - Teacher, Teacher.
Love watching reactions to both Jinjer - Pisces and Devin Townsend - Kingdom. Pretty much gets the same reactions every time. Great fun
It certainly is not on such a low volume as you say/think it is. That's only the case when people don't actually have their technique right. If you know how to make that sound and then project it, the way you would project when belting, it's pretty loud.
There's certainly some sort done. They should t really have called it 'live', but hey, it's still great, right?
Check out some live stuff. You'll see that it's all her.
also he should watch devon townsend live.
Yes. Deadhead at the Royal Albert Hall!
Honestly not really Using low screams are like talking Voice or a little louder usually maids or highs are the loudest
It's called "live session" because that's what it was. Smh. The layering was done post production
@@christianhernandez8575 if she was using vocal fry I'd agree, but she's making use of false. You have to project to get that sound
The first time I watched this performance I was in utter shock. 😳 She did a great job though. Thank you Sam. 👏🏼👏🏼💗🌺
Thank you Tanya! Good to hear from you! :)
Tatiana can bring it everytime
Ahh...nothin' like a fresh reaction to Pisces on a Saturday night!
The 3:30...or so, nervous chuckle was the best. As you went farther into it it was obvious you were liking it.
I love some of the newer female screamers especially (I've been a Metalhead since the early eighties). You might want to try the Agonist Panophobia. Alissa White-Gluz does an amazing job, though she's now with Arch Enemy. In Arch Enemy she's doesn't do the clean vocals, almost at all, so it doesn't have that sharp contrast between the two, but yes there are a lot of Amazing vocalists that work in this style.
I appreciate your comments. You have a lot to offer. Thanks.
...oh Mary Z with Voice Hacks does a great job explaining this vocal technique. 🤘
Music meets death-metal. The more often I hear this song, the more I like it.
Good reaction. You did not run away like some others. Nice :).
One of the best reactions to this song. The rest was more in a shock. You reacted more pro and kept lisning to her song/voice.
It's no secret that there are vocal tracks layered in some parts, it's all explained in the description of the original video. They did it to make this new version of the song sound as close as possible to the original album version. However, those 2nd voices you heard were not created by any digital effect, they were all sang by Tatiana in the studio.
I hope this helped clearing some of your "doubts". : )
Anyway, like 42.
Finally someone talked about the overdub or layer (between 9:48 - 9:52 you can hear it pretty clear - one of the growls is slightly higher than the other one)... yes, there is...but it is pretty common in studio, one vocal track is lower making a "natural chorus effect" to the man track...
BUT alive she sings very well and she has a really strong and powerful voice!She's growls is low, imo she has the lowest and strongest growls of frontwoman's, that i know, around.I saw than live and yes, she is amazing alive. She is the Chuck Billy of womans!!!
Found your channel through this video. Love watching reactions to this song hehe.
If you are intending to delve into metal you may wish to explore other vocal styles than just the harsh vocals that are prevalent in the newer subgenres of metal. I am talking oldschool.. more operatic metal vocalists. There are some top notch singers in Metal.
My recommendations include the vocalists Ronnie James Dio, Rob Halford, Bruce Dickinson, and of course Ozzy Osbourne. There are many others.. but these four are pretty much the template for metal singers from the 70's into the 90's for sure.
For Ronnie James Dio, I'd recommend the song "Stargazer" by the band "Rainbow" for a starter. Ronnie James Dio was in several bands over the years.. most notably Rainbow, Black Sabbath, Dio, and 'Heaven and Hell' which was basically the old Black Sabbath lineup under a different name.
For Rob Halford, I would recommend the band "Judas Priest" with the song "Victim of Changes" for a more robust sampling of his vocals.. or if you want more extreme.. the song "Painkiller"
For Bruce Dickinson there are so many.. but most people check out "Hallowed Be Thy Name" by the band "Iron Maiden" for starters. It is nearly impossible to find a band song by Iron Maiden.
For Ozzy Osbourne.. there are a few choices.. if you want a duet, he did a song with Lita Ford called "If I close My Eyes Forever" which is like a love ballad. If you are looking for a more rock/metal 80's sound check out his song "Crazy Train".. or a more 70's sound, check out the song "War Pigs" by the band Black Sabbath, which he helped found in like '69 or thereabouts.. prior to Dio replacing him in the mid/late 70's.
I could go on but these are good starting points. :)
Peace
Spot on man! Good reaction too. It's something I was playing with in my early years... I'm talking about the doubling of the vocals. One growl low and guttural and one higher, more like a shriek, overlayed on the low one. That's what's happening at 9:50, for example. I don't know about the mic, it's probably what you said because on the lives, it seems less powerful. But there's something I saw to some other bands too, over the years, like... for example Dani from Cradle of Filth (or miss Gossow when she played for Arch Enemy, though she realized that issue very quickly... like, from the second album on). If you go full on every time you have to perform, you will hurt you vocal chords at some point, so you need to take care of your voice. But it ain't like a "whisper" either. Nevertheless, she is a very good, talented and charismatic front female for a band, which is good enough for me.
L.E.: You know, on all the reactions I've watched to this song, you're the only one, at this point in time, that said anything about the doubling of the voice.
Tatiana shared in an interview that the only effects used for her vocals are reverb and a "slight" delay. That might be why they sound dubbed.
Also, in that very same interview, she said that "extreme" vocals (i.e. growling and screaming) requires a lot of training, which she said she has been doing for many, many years. Therefore, she advised others to not do it without the proper training.
Furthermore, she is a Pisces (March 15). As I am also a Pisces, I understand her message. Pisces is very dichotomous sign. "One being brings life. The other runs for death". Therefore, the message should also be conveyed dichotomously.
Good analysis!
Have never heard her do harmony's like this in any other song. They are layered throughout the song. That or they do an echo with a pitch alteration.
great reaction ! would love to see you react to them live in concert you might be surprised
It says in the description that they layered some vocals for effect in post. She is a beast live tho, which I hope to see for myself in October. Just waiting for someone to agree to go with me.
As far as projection check out Austin Dickey mess around doing his screams and gutterals. Its loud. Loud, loud.
She certainly can do it because I can do it easily too. I found that voice in me by accident, had fun with it, so with time it improved a lot. It's great to scare people and it doesn't hurt to switch. Just different muscles. You can even use both at the same time as we can hear in this song.
Jinger just kicked him right where hurts 😣😯😯🤼💥🙈🙊🥜🥜vocal that mister!!!!!. Best of jinjers nut kickers heheheheeee jinjer rules again
wooow I wasn't expecting that.
Watching reactions to jinjer videos is my new hobby. Lmao
You sir are correct about the double up on the voice. Even in her live concerts there is a back track she does herself that goes with the song. I know I will get some haters because they think it is all her but those of us that really know how music is produced hear this. Before someone says anything please go listen to the song closely many bands do this. The volume does not need to be loud to produce that sound either. It is a technic that is learned just like any other like classical or opera. She is a very gifted vocalist which is obvious. I love watching her live videos.
Another Following. Been fan since 2012 seen them 2x can't wait for Oct 2 cuz they sure have change a lot
With fry screams your vocal folds remain closed, letting out air without producing a clear singing note. like a vocal fry with more pressure from the diaphragm, making the soft pallate and areas around vibrate, so keep throat and pallate relaxed, push with diaphragm and keep vocal folds closed. you need some pretty strong compression muscles to project it loud and even keep it for a few seconds. False chords are the same thing, but with vocal folds completely open the entire time. When done correctly you don't feel anything in the throat, but you feel a rumble in your soft pallate. Often get phlegm as well. So again, really good fry screamers can get it loud enough to sing along in a car cause they've worked hard on their vocal fold muscles. Newer and weaker vocalists will have to keep the volume low in order to maintain the scream.
You should Check out "Teacher Teacher" thats another good one that shows some range.
Jinjer does use multi tracking; for the originators of that, check out Les Paul & Mary Ford, they pioneered the technique.
Live rack effect unit that she uses of the double up.
I got a lil mad when you said it was layered then you said the growls were cuz of microphone. That is straight up her. Im glad you posted your thoughts and made up for it
You are correct in that they did add some background in post.
At 3:13 you can see him go through all 5 stages of grief
Great reaction!
It was a live session like she said but the band did release a statement saying after they did it the put the double voices in it and everything.
Check their live videos. She has a low register scream where she’s close to the mic and a belted scream where she’s backed off the mic. Both sound amazing and neither seem to take a toll on her voice.
Mary Zimmer is also a Vocal Metal scream teacher. Her UA-cam is called VoiceHacks
heart and soul in that