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Can confirm: as an ex-Hasan and Vaush fan, I HATED Destiny for a long time without ever watching a full video of his. When I eventually did, I immediately felt like Destiny was expressing sentiments I'd been struggling to wrap my head around for years and I felt right at home politically for the first time. They absolutely poison the well and have a delusional hatred for Destiny. Needless to say, I no longer watch those other guys and Destiny is now my alltime favourite female streamer
@@cowoffun3545 I'm referring to an actual thing that happened the "it's close enough for jazz" manifesto thing destiny said about vaush that didn't happen
during the affirmative action statement, you could see he was trying to backpedal and actually still formulate a coherent point, there's no way that people didn't see him realise he fucked up
I think what’s more frustrating is that when you use a term like “white supremacy” to describe something, the person who you’re speaking to will immediately think you’re calling them a crazy racist and not engage with the discussion.
it’s crazy how racist hasan is unironically also shout out to august for the high tier editing hes been doing lately. these edits are so good i actually go back and watch these videos EVEN AFTER already watching the stream
“All this is; is criminalizing black children dancing in the street” Man thinks riots r how black kids dance lol Turkey keeps producing some of the most racist ppl on the planet
What are you talking about? Why would he want to say that word? And this is rich coming from Destiny's audience. Hasn't he admittedly said the N word? Also, how is Hasan grifting?
@@guttersails7971 there’s a difference between telling jokes in private with zero intent behind the usage, and nearly letting one rip cuz a black guy said something you thought was dumb
The fact that Hasan is SO popular blows my mind! It truly saddens me that so many people are so easily manipulated! Attacking the person and not the thing being said is literally his bread and butter!
@@guttersails7971 No not at all. I don't dislike Hasan because I disagree with him (that's a TYPICAL Hasan argument right there! You have taken something that 'could' be true and im certain is true some of the time, but then extended that to be true in ALL cases!). I dislike Hasan because he LITERALY does manipulate his audience! He rarely has anything 'factual' to say. So his go to 'tactic' is to just demonize the person saying it! Which is dumb on the face of it because im sure that irl ALL of us know from our own personal experiences that rarely, if ever, do we meet people that we 100% agree with, even among our friends and family! Its like saying Hitler liked Salmon so Salmon MUST be bad! It's sooo dumb! Heck there is even some things I disagree with Destiny about!
The thing I enjoy most about Destiny's content is how he's not afraid to just go look up the data or fact check, possibly proving himself wrong even at times. He understands that it's okay to say you're wrong when presented with new information or to just not know enough about something.
@@FHGryphonIRL Depends. The times I've seen him qualify most statements it's either because it's difficult to truly know, so he's using context clues that he recognizes to make a conclusion, if it makes sense. This means, if data appears to the contrary, his audience is already primed to throw his conclusion away, or critically examine it after contradicting data. In every single case, where he gets critique with claims that either make sense, or show contradictory data, he's changed his view, or disproven the critique.
@@ronswanson1410 Every single human being on the planet does this, including academics in less formal settings. Most information intake is a fairly passive process, and we extrapolate onto raw data when we store it, barring people with savant syndrome. When a point is important and there's a low degree of certainty, that's when one finds concrete sources before proceeding. If one has a high degree of certainty, assuming no dishonesty, it's totally normal to make assumptions based on the information you have previously taken in and rely on your prior conclusions.
He is pissed off you are having mainstream success people from TYT like you, Pakman likes you, Sam Ceder talks to you, got Aba and Preach in your corner, and now Shaprio is willing to debate you. Meanwhile he only talks to random streamers he thinks he can dunk on and screams at his chat if they say something half a percent different than what he believes.
I'm curious how aware he is about how stupid he comes off whenever he actually does a debate. The one he did on stage with Kirk or whoever was so stupid to the point Cenk had to jump up in the crowd and defend Hasan's stupidity and it started to escalate into taunts for a fist fight
Hasan popularity wise and in terms of mainstream success is doing way better, especially among younger people. I don't like Hasan much but he has garnered a bigger audience than destiny in half of the time, and his "streamer friends" are way more popular than Cenk, Ceder or Aba
Because he is more entertaining. His takes are terrible but most of his audience doesn't really care about politics that much, they are in it for the rants and character attacks on his chat and anyone else who has a different world view@@metalmythology6282
@@metalmythology6282 I think it would be more accurate to say that it angers Hasan that Destiny has more respect from actual adults, debaters, philosophers, politicians, political commentators, etc. Because at the end of the day, that is what Hasan really strives to be, a respected political commentator and debater, which he is not. The people Hasan looks up to, seem to like Destiny more. Or at the very least, Hasan grifts to appear like he wants to be perceived as that hyper-intelligent political debater, but he might not really give a shit at all. Hasan genuinely only appeals to younger women (because he admittedly is very handsome) and teenagers/kids. Which is why he hangs with the likes of Pokimane, Valkyrae, etc, as they are in that "appealing to kids/teenagers" sphere. I also think it angers Hasan that black people like Destiny more then they like him, despite Hasan parroting what he thinks black people want to hear from him.
@@theflipper404 lol I'm sorry but Hasan clearly was never focused on real political aspirations, he just wants to Garner a huge audience and make connections with rich people. He stopped debating and just makes react content all day
Years after their drama, the first time Hasan challenges any of Destiny's points is in a reaction form where he can't be challenged back. He's just so bad faith.
you mean the drama where destiny almost cried, hung up on hasan and laughed on how hasan stupid is? Also after all the videos about hasan? No way hasan happened to watch a jubilee video like usualy does and destiny was in there no way what a dick
@@matoussedlak545 Classic hasanabi viewer trying to rewrite their falling out like Hasan wasn’t the one malding over Destiny or how he treats Destiny like Lord Voldemort. It’s too cute!
@@jdjenk04 well i dont watch hasan on some regular basis but I am sure it goes both ways. Everytime destiny hears someone say that hasan had just some take, he gets horny. Thats a fact i can observe without being a fan. I have learn about their hatred against each other just recently. The very least you can do is to not bring this up cause their love goes both ways
@@matoussedlak545 The difference is that destiny actually responds to the takes, and not the person. Hasan is responding to the person every single time.
You do know UA-cam added a feature to where if you click on someone’s profile in a comment section you can see all their comments from any post the creator has made right? Scrolled through yours for about 30 seconds. I’ve never in my life seen a more obvious Hasan fan. Every opinion you’ve ever posted has either parroted something he said, been an obvious far leftist take, or literally been a direct quote. Your point about destiny getting horny whenever Hasan has a take is so crazy to me. They’re two of the biggest political faces in the industry, have prior beef, opposing views, and have never had a direct debate since their falling out. That’s like saying “omg Ben Shapiro and AOC argued on Twitter. *gasp*” At the end of the day just stand on your beliefs quit pretending to be neutral ground when literally every comment you’ve ever made proves otherwise.
I went from watching Hassan to Destiny, I started realizing his takes were insane, off the top of my head saying women complaining about trans in women’s sports is unfair just aren’t good enough, people stealing for survival only, and the one time his friend was getting backlash from unhinged people for using black lingo and he agreed if you’re not black you can’t say sht like “on god frfr” 🤣🤣
Hasan: These black people got where they are because they worked hard, not because of affirmative action. Hasan 2 secs later: Why don't these people appreciate that affirmative action helped them get where they are?
I enjoy both Hasan and Destiny so I'm not picking a side, but Hasan was right in this instance and those statements are not mutually exclusive... Affirmative action doesn't mean you're choosing a black kid with a 2.0 GPA over a white kid with a 4.0 GPA. It just means if you have a black person (or insert under-represented group here) and a white person who are similarly qualified you might give preference to the black person in the name of diversity. That black person still earned their way there through hard work and is most certainly deserving, but affirmative action helped them get in the door whereas that probably wouldn't have been the case before.
@knifey_sp00ny17 how do you reconcile that with the fact that asian students have to have higher test scores than black students to get accepted according to the Radford study?
@@katasai4438 First of all SAT scores are just one of a million different metrics used in admissions so that study means literally nothing. Secondly that has nothing to do with my comment, which was about how affirmative action doesn't mean that a person didn't put in the work and earn their place. Both things can be true at the same time.
@@knifey_sp00ny17 "Affirmative action doesn't mean you're choosing a black kid with a 2.0 GPA over a white kid with a 4.0 GPA." No, it means you are choosing a black student with a 926 over an asian student with a 1229.
There's lots of valid criticism for Destiny, but holy moly Hasan is another beast. People who just spew out blatant lies on someone's character and basically fill up a checklist of the most outrageous toxic traits one could have to their audience just because you politically don't agree with them is actually insane. I stopped watching Hasan when he started hyping up Fidel Castro on stream. He's so out of touch it's insane. Seeing someone prop Castro up like that to 20k+ people live, trying to romanticize him just because he hated America like Hasan does, is so brain numbing its insane. "Hates America? Check. Spews Socialism talking points? Check. Acknowledge the hundreds, if not thousands, of instances of him treating his people like literal garbage and denying them of basic human rights? Ahhhh. Who cares!" His audience is just aids aswell. If you don't align with anything far-left, you're labeled the most cruel things they can conjure up in their heads. Being "far" anything shouldn't be normalized whatsoever. The extreme shouldn't be the end-all-be-all.
@@he.5865 im literally banned from his reddit because i made a thread listing out every single thing i dislike about destiny. what are u talking about? just bc i watch the dude doesnt mean i have to agree with every single take he has. im 17 with both of my parents in my life i dont need a dude in his mid 30s who abuses more drugs than gogo gadget as a prime role model online. it ain that deep. i agree with him on alot of things, and i disagree with him on alot of things. thats how shit should be imo.
I don’t know. I feel like you’re also pulling a “don’t say anything bad about America, because Castro hated America and Castro was a bad person, so if you criticize America you’re a bad person like Castro”. Of course Hasan is going to romanticize Castro, because he turned Cuba into a socialist country, which it remains even after Castro has died, and socialism is something Hasan strongly believes in. Just like people will romanticize people like George Washington, because to them he represents ideas like American freedom and democracy. I doubt Hasan views Castro as an individual as anymore evil or just compared to all the other historical figures we romanticize.
As a conservative, I don't agree with everything that Destiny says but his logic is always consistent and I like that he calls a spade a spade. He looks for truth first and I respect the hell out that!
Exactly what I admire about Destiny. Regardless of political positions or personal beliefs, any honest person should be able to at least recognize and appreciate Destiny’s transparency, logic, consistency, the fact that he’s actually got *real* principles (which is so sadly uncommon these days), and his willingness to call it as he sees it with little to no BS. People can deflect to his more toxic behaviors all they want, but most of these people are toxic af and can’t stand toe-to-toe with him in most conversations.
@@vindikaktus you don't get it. He is not saying he is always logical or always right. He says he is always trying to be, which is the best a human can do. Always good faith because of hanlon's razor.
Not necessarily, there might out there a position destiny holds that go contrary to one of his principles He's not infallible, he's just a human. The dude should've given an example, sure, but we don't flock to the extreme of the opposite side because he didn't.
Jesus Christ the pervasiveness of the "fuck the both sides arguments" these days is honestly terrifying. Large creators like Hasan scolding people for trying to stay out of echo chambers is one of the most toxic and damaging things i could possibly imagine.
"cEnTRiSM bAd" is like the most common talking point on the internet now and it's fucking tragic. Like bro, YOU LIVE in a centrist society. The fact that your society is neither a full blown genocidal Nazi regime or a communist dictatorship is like the most glowing advocacy for centrism on its own
I love how 100% of hasans audience doesnt even realize how hard he manipulates them. And he does it so easily because they only know politics as far as whatever john oliver said last week, so since they dont know any of the topics he talks about they just implicitly trust whatever he says. But on the off chance someone does know about a topic hes talking you realize how much he leaves out or skews things to fit his narrative. And streamers know hasan is a terrible person, that most non streamers wouldnt understand. And all streamers/content creators manipulate their audiences but its harmless since usually they're not talking politics/acting as if they're serving in their audiences best interests
hasan is also maniplulated by his audience, he literally said no to the wizard game cause he didnt want to be cancelled...hasan has reached late stage streamin where both his audience and himself need each other to keep in their echo chambers
But he won a streamer award, so that basically validates everything he says. But seriously, I don't think a single Hasan fan even knows what the word "corroboration" means.
I'm guessing with the same millennials that loved remote working during the pandemic but are now crying they have to go to the office, or had one of those "my work day at ____" that got laid off because all they did was get lunch sip lattes and nap between 10 minute meetings
I love how Hasan was skipping Destiny before he finished his point, then Hasan argues against something Destiny didn't say or a point Destiny didn't finish God Hasan Fans are the most delusional people on the planet
I love how hasan almost always pauses in the middle of an argument, badly predicts what the whole argument will be, fights with this straw man, then unpauses and ignores the rest of the argument unless he predicted it correctly.
@@travissmith2092the big difference is Destiny actually tries to understand what others believe and why, while Hasan just assumes the worst if they aren't socialists, and the best if they are. I personally disagree with about half of destiny's opinions, but I appreciate that he actually debates people instead of just dismissing everyone.
Gotta say Destiny, I used to hate listen to some of your social takes but I have to be honest - you’re one of the most rational dudes regardless of if I disagree with you or not. I gotta give you credit for that. I’m still a libertarian Christian, but you’re too right too many times for me to just discount what you say. Keep it up!
@@Goodmorning592 had to actually look that up… thought I was terminally online but guess I’m not cause that’s a new one. Thanks for the compliment cause it’s true…? Just cause I wear a flannel doesn’t mean you should just stereotype though… studied philosophy in college and appreciate logic. It’s cute how you think calling me a Redneck without saying it’s an insult though. Also, hillbilly would be a more apt comparison, but you literally know nothing about me so guess I can give you that one.
Hassant's viewpoint is: If it benefits me, it's good. If it doesn't, it's bad. Most leftists have this simple framework. Additionally, you can see how hassan projects that framework on other people, basing intelligent/moral decisions on whether or not the person benefits from it. Example being: "why are you against affirmative action if you directly benefitted from it?" Hassan (and people with this affliction) can't explore ideas to any degree of depth because they are incapable of removing themselves & their values from the equation (or applying other hypothetical values)
Unfortunately, this mindset is very palatable to the general public. It usually capitalizes on people's inclinations to use anecdotal evidence to form and support a biased prescriptive political stance, because intellectual honesty means having basic media literacy, and most people don't have time to do their own research or critically challenge the premises of their own argument. And the worst part is that it's so unbearably tedious to debunk anecdotal evidence, because you have to essentially teach someone about the abstract concept of bias, and most people aren't patient enough to let you explain yourself completely when you're attacking their worldview.
'if it benefits me it's good, if it doesn't its bad' I wouldn't agree 100% bc if communist Hasan got what he asked for, his million dollar home would belong to everyone. And he would pay taxes so high, he couldn't effort his lavish life style anyway. Obviously he is hypocritical when it comes to this stuff but also his take on streaming stolen content is just to protect himself cuz he is so on the noise with that one. Whenever he would defend XQC he was actually defending himself. There is the 'it benefits me' part. But yeah he would throw any black person under the bus just to get the best end out for himself. That's why when the group he is supposedly trying to protect comes for his ass he just goes 'you don't know what's best for you'. X.x
@notmyopinion4981 Right, typically, the defense of something or even the accusation of others is also subject to this rule. Defending a behavior because you are guilty of it, additionally projecting a behavior because you're guilty of it. People with this issue are incapable of empathy; unable to use any hypothetical viewpoint other than their own. They can't even empathize with their future/past self, since they're unable to escape their mentality based on the here&now I wish there was a term for it. It's very much like aphantasia. But instead of inability to create mental pictures, they're unable to recontectulize / reframe concepts outside of themselves.
@youtubeviolatedme7123 It's a default mentality that you grow out of. Kids are forced to operate in this way until 11-13 yo, then they have all of their teens and early 20's to solidify their belief system & see if it's compatible with the world/society. Social media allows people to avoid the necessary confrontations that challenge their beliefs, so they enter into adulthood with underdeveloped, childish framing. There may be an IQ element to it as well, but for now, it's important to identify the mindset as a core pattern of leftist belief systems. The only consistency in how they operate is how it benefits them in the moment, & this mindset explains that perfectly imo. I've met right wingers that have the same issue, so it's not just on the left (but I see it far more on the left than the right)
I think this clip 1:18:49 is exactly when Hasan got mindbroken about Destiny. His online persona shifted a lot after this and it could be greatly explained by him trying to escape the feeling/perception that he's "Destiny but worse." He no longer wants to debate people at all because he's "above that," not because he's afraid of looking bad in them. He leans way more into extreme leftist stances to differentiate himself from Destiny as a liberal. His declining relevance is because Destiny and his community just inextricably hate him and are poisoning the well for many of his potential viewers. Etc.
The servers not wanting to serve black people is so true. ive worked in plenty of resturants. the people who were most vocal about it were the black servers 😂 when i was a host, one of the waitresses literally yelled at me for seating too many black people in her section. She was black.
As much as I hate to confirm, as someone who was a server and worked in the industry for roughly ten years, that stereotype really is often true. And yes, black servers call it out all the time lol
@@colbycarithers yeah, I get why you think it's irony. That's why I'm saying it's far closer to truth than they are "redistributing goods to the community for the glory of communism"
@@colbycarithersbro litteraly said that stealing stuff in a riot is "redistribution of wealth" and he "thinks" Hitler was bad because he invaded fucking Poland. Hasan is a 100% an idiot and deserves to be mocked
@@colbycarithers Not reductive at all, that is factually what happens to most of the goods stolen. They're either sold at or above MSRP or kept by the person who stole them for personal gain. There is no "redistribution". Hasan is trying to make it sound like every looter is some radical lefty who wants to seize the means of production, which is patently false. I mean like come on dude, a single google search shows plenty of examples of looters flaunting their stolen goods for sale on facebook marketplace afterwards. You've gotta be trying to ignore the evidence at this point.
4:44 I fell into the Hasan - destiny pipline and this was my experience as well. Once Hasan dropped a few takes that made me raise an eyebrow and heard destiny’s name come up from a few other creators, I found his content and immediately switched sides 😅
I just hate Hasan and Destiny is the only person who hits him for all the shit I notice Hasan do and it's therapeutic to have Destiny call him on shit that I notice but that no other streamer or commentator seems to. Like if you give Hasan Piker the benefit of the doubt or a generous interpretation to anything he says you're either stupid or naive.
Destiny is so soft on Hasan. I feel like Steven feels like he’s bullying Hasan if he goes to hard because there’s so much to mock Hasan for. So he’s very charitable to Hasan even though he doesn’t deserve it.
@@alpaca6462Lav was trying to drop a nuke on Hasan, implying that he had engaged in some sexually improper behavior with underage people she knew. The whole time she was ‘misremembering’ her friend’s age, or more in tune with her tract record, likely just lying for clout.
@@ZNE1323 he has literallly debated in national television. He just doesn't care to give a platform to Tate's clones, he only cares about Tate. Why would he give clout to someone he hates on a space that he hates (debates)? He will just argue with relevant people because there's no value in online debates aside from... reaching bigger audiences
Im a european who likes to watch american political streamers because i enjoy witnessing the discourse and occasionally the drama, I don't really have one channel i could completely align myself with but one thing i can say: Hasan is the only one i completely blocked, including all his freeloader clip propagandists, when he started covering europe more due to covid and ukraine was when i noticed how incredibly uneducated his takes are, and how much he argues against any sort of criticism in bad faith. Also the fact that i appreciate our system of social democracy here a LOT and this guy is giving everything associated with socialism in the american political sphere such a terrible name and image :D
Ahhh, I love watching a 20 something streamer, famous online through nepotism, sitting in his Beverly hills mansion chowing down on a bowl of cereal whilst stoking the fires of hatred and division..... Sooooooo satisfying. (And not at all rage inducing!). 😁
@@donet0death240Sure, but I don't see that with him. I've watched his content and he just doesn't seem like a serious person. I'd put money on him wanting to just make money saying what he thinks the far left wants to hear. Someone like Vaush, as much as I don't like him Imo he believes what he says.
He doesn't. He preached about turning mansions into apartments for years then stopped right when he bought his mansion. He's a virtue signaling clout chaser. Much like money based preachers.
@@ButterflyyyxoxoEither he unironically believes it and doesn't understand it enough to realise it or is farming the fuck out of his idiotic community
Mismatch theory is real, but the universities can’t admit it for PR reasons. So instead of trying to correct the issue, they just make it almost impossible to fail out of their programs. Hence the grade inflation at higher tier universities. The average GPA at Harvard is almost 3.7 which is nonsensical. I went to a regular state university, our average GPA was 2.10
So I've only been following destiny for the past few months, why does hasan hate destiny so much, hasan looks a little uncomfortable anytime he has to speak about him.
Hasan is mad that destiny doesn’t agree about the objective fact that he is the sole creator of the political live-streaming space and destiny only got famous because of him.
I probably dont agree with Destiny on well over 90% of things but I respect the fact he is willing to have the conversation with people he dont agree with. Unlike Lasan who just sits in his room and makes his arguments to his chat instead taking them to someone who can challenge them. He is afraid he will show he is full of it and cant back anything he says.
For all the "diversity" hasan preaches about, people like him never experienced diversity of thought. Racism is bad unless its directed towards black conservatives
i was introduced to vaush by 2020 us elections and when i found him to be too much of a anti-fascist i started watching destiny. And now Destiny is my favorite racist queer woman.
Holy shit "The same argument is made about whites having "bad culture" with the white supremacy claim" That is so true, and I've never heard it put that way before, but its exactly the same claim.
There’s gonna be a day when Destiny is gets so popular that Hasan can’t ignore it and he’ll have to answer for EVERY single thing he said about him. He won’t be able to escape it. It’s either that Ethan is gonna talk to him or he’s gonna start going on bigger shows on UA-cam, but he’ll eventually have to talk to destiny again and it will be glorious to see.
This kind of happened during the 2020 democratic primary on Trainwrecks's podcast where Hasan was claiming the Iowa caucus votes were rigged and there was a conspiracy to make Pete Buttiegeig win. It was not productive Hasan just shouted so De6was shoutin6to counter what he was saying and nobody could understand what was happening.
I wish man! Hasan wouldn't talk shit to anyone of his own calibre cuz he just doesn't have the balls. If it gets unavoidable he will just suck up to destiny and be like 'we agree then, we agree then' just like on Ethans show
Every time the clip of Lav talking about the "Hasan nuke" comes up I'm weirded out even more by Lav's phrasing that she's "vibrating" whenever he's brought up
I was a TYT viewer back in the day, when Hasan was Woke Bae and doing Pop Trigger, then to Twitch. And here we are.... Sweet Anita, of all people, showed me the error of my ways.
@WanderTheNomad I think it bothers me because Hasan is bound to be one of those people who gives himself a huge pat on the back for performatively speaking out against toxic masculinity, while playing into it himself by belittling shorter men for their height. I don't watch him, I'm not sure you could pay me to try, so perhaps I'm wrong. If he doesn't do any of that, I don't think it'd bother me, but Hasan is known for betraying core "principles" of his when it's profitable or convenient to do so, so I don't see why he wouldn't break on this one as well.
25:35 I think I can honestly say I wasn’t one of these former Vaush/Hasan fans prior to being a regular Destiny viewer. What put me on to Steven’s content was actually his review of Everything Everywhere all at Once lol. 😂 I had just watched the movie for the first time, was blown away, and was looking around UA-cam for reviews to see if I wasn’t the only person who was so impacted by it. By chance Destiny’s channel popped up in the search and his comment that he’s afraid to show close family and friends the movie because if it turned out they didn’t like it he didn’t know if he could associate with them anymore I was like, holy based I’m gonna watch more of this dude’s content cuz that was EXACTLY how I felt. Lmao kinda funny my becoming a fan didn’t have anything to do with politics, past burned bridges, drama, or red pill shit. Just a based movie take.
Edit: having watched more Destiny, I denounce much of what I said below. Destiny is 100% spot on regarding Hasan and Vaush. Surely I'm not the only person who is capable of watching all 3 of you guys without my brain exploding? Hasan reacting to Destiny's content is how I discovered him and the reason I became a fan of Destiny, albeit cautiously at first. If it's not specifically about some bullshit drama, 60% of the video is usually Hasan agreeing with him, 39.9% distracted or yelling at his chat for various reasons, .1% taking a piss. Vaush agrees with Destiny and Hasan even more often, but probably because he's properly medicated and can focus on the whole video. Destiny doesn't seem as charitable but is more analytical so will ultimately concede something without much ego in the way. All 3 have their shitty takes or blindspots, but are more often entertaining and insightful. I really don't see the incompatibility if you're capable of distinguishing between these moments and don't just mindlessly consume everything any one person says. I don't know all of the lore behind the drama, not really interested, but it's apparent a lot of Cornflakes got shat in at some point despite it seeming like there was a lot of respect for each other once upon a time. Now they're just lost in the caricatures they've made of each other.
Yeah you'd think 3 guys who constantly get annoyed about being mischaracterised night realise at some point that they're all doing it to each other. I can watch all 3 but watching them talk about each other is utter brain rot
I could see that but I guess I just don’t agree with Hasans core views and cockiness when he talks about the world. Destiny I mostly like for criticizing these views. He knows a decent amount about certain topics. Others he’s pretty uninformed. At least he’s honest about it though
I have to disagree with equating the 3 of them creating delusional caricatures of each other. As shown, Destiny will agree with them, without poisoning the well. Most of his criticisms of Hasan are all backed up with sound reasoning and receipts. When he criticizes them, it's in response to something they do/say, not before they do/say it. It's way worse to avoid mentioning someone, unless to falsely accuse him and his community of hate raiding/mass reporting, than it is to show full context of someone's positions and disagree with them. The "caricature" of Hasan and Vaush are actually accurate. You could see how much more honest he is about them from this video itself.
I cant even follow Hasan's logic anymore, i used to be able to at least understand how he can arive at a hilarious conclusion, but now their is no way to even come close to what he says without being extremely hateful and just outright lie
That's because as he became less relevant and became too niche, he felt his views slipping so he became more and more extreme in order to hold onto his base as much as possible, while also getting attention from the "side" against him because his takes are so brain dead these days... so its a win win for him, it's blatant grifting to the point I just ignore him now, I refuse to click on any of his content recommended to me on yt and luckily it no longer pops up, hopefully eventually people will stop even reacting to hasan at all, it's just so obvious he's grifting on purpose for $ now. It's gotten boring.
I respect that you use full videos with full context. It makes it so much easier to understand and helps me to navigate to your content knowing you are a good faith person whether I agree with you 100% or not
25:00 I honestly think the biggest thing holding destiny back from mainstream prominence are the terminally online weirdos he associates with. Giving airtime to people like Darius and random onlyfans chicks really hurts destiny’s credibility in my opinion and is often detrimental to the quality of his content.
Name me anyone that's mainstream who cares about the people Destiny associates with? He met people like Lex Fridman, Dr.K, Tulsi Gabbard, etc, and none of these people gave a shit about Destiny's drama content and his orbiters, I just think people like you that make this arguments just hate orbiter content and not because it actually prevents him from meeting mainstream people. Destiny made that point so many times, and it just goes over some of DGGs heads..
those people are not actually mainstream. he will rarely if ever get a chance to sit down with any legitimate politician or people like ben shapiro or jordan peterson as long as he continues this type of content. it's too much of a pr risk for them @@SisckoImper
I love that Destiny still talks to Vegan Gains. He's really annoying, but Destiny tolerates it and I think that's nice. There's still value to be gained in talking to annoying people
I do wonder if a lot of people in Hasans audience see the cognitive dissonance of him complaining that other political pundits critique what he says while he also regularly critiques the same political pundits ie Ben Shapiro, Tucker Carlson, Tim Pool etc. Which is also fine, it's pretty common for political pundits to go over what other popular political pundits are saying but the constant shield from criticism by just calling the other person obsessed must make some people think how dumb that is.
he's not completely dumb. he knows he can't look good debating destiny and the character assassination he does on his stream talking to himself wouldn't stick. IF they were to go at it I bet a lot of hasan fans would start to see the light a little bit and actually switch sides@@catgenocide6940
I think the biggest problem with welfare, or people trying to come out of it (having baby daddy live in the house, combining incomes into a functional family unit) is you run into the same problem with getting people off unemployment. If unemployment or welfare gives me x amount of money a month, but by getting a job (40/hr work week) I earn x + 1, most people will view the work they are doing as only worth the 1 in that equation. Using the COVID unemployment bonus ($600/wk, basically a 15/hr 40hr work week) if I go out and find a job for $17/hr, I can rationalize my work as actually being only $2/hr for my time of 40 hours a week. Once this structure is put in place, it's hard to escape it mentally, even if you are incrementally improving your financial situation.
lol was insane how many people took advantage of the covid unemployment even when they didn't have to and begged to be laid off. I swear the money was alot more than 600.wk though
@@snapple4pple you would be correct. The $600/wk was actually a ‘COVID bonus’ on top of the regular unemployment benefits. There were a lot of people who made MORE money on COVID unemployment than they did at their jobs. I remember being labeled as an “essential worker” (I cut grass for a living) and was making less than the $600/wk even before I paid taxes on my check. (Cut off from all overtime as well). The lockdowns completely flipped the incentive structures for working in this country, and we still haven’t quite figured out how to put the pieces back together.
you would be surprised at how much employers *DONT* pick candidates based on merit. its who you know and where you are, not what you know. thats always been the rule and will continue to be unless society gets its head on straight and things get more meritocratic but i highly doubt thatd happen
@@calculator91 thats a great question but no; in their minds they are not sacrificing profit. they are hiring people that they like or that they know previously. they *perceive* people that they have acquaintance with as better options id say, whether they are better or not. the companies arent typically looking for the most competent person. theyre looking for someone they could see themselves being friends with. these are people theyre going to see on a daily regular basis for a while. theres a very interesting article/poll by a journalist on fortune 500 companies that attempted to find what big companies universally hire for that goes over this.
It blows my mind that people don't realize this. How stupid do we have to be as a society to believe that this is a meritocracy. You quite literally have to ignore all of US history to think that. That's not to say that you cannot get far via merit but many times and statically, you will be of average competence, and 9/10 times, the person with connections and wealth (and who is also of average competence) will get opportunities over a non-connected person.
@@B10Esteban yah it is bewildering honestly. this idea of meritocracy and the american dream is so buried deep into american beliefs that they dont even realize they believe it. its crazy. but theres is ridiculous amounts of evidence to debunk it. like you said, youd have to ignore all of US history to think this. youd have ignore all of the _worlds_ history and _every_ country to think this.
30:03 I think the reason why destiny (and the black conservative ) are not on the same page as Hasan is because they view AA as giving black Americans an ADVANTAGE when enrolling, where as Hasan views it as giving black Americans an EQUAL OPPORTUNITY for being accepted. So when Hasan says "yeah dummy, your kids DID get in bc of AA" he means they were not discriminated against, but destiny (and the black conservative) hears "they were not good enough, they only got accepted because of AAs unfair advantage during selection'
You're very right about Hasan viewers, I used to be one and I never hated destiny, but I definitely didn't want to watch anything from him because how Hasan and Vaush spoke about him. But then I watched the duo debate with Vaush and Destiny teaming up. You're very right. Hasan is shitting himself that people will actually hear Destiny speak for himself for once on his stream.
I am waiting for the day Hasan finally gets canceled for how bad a person he is. He is “friends” with too many creators for him to get removed normally, but the second he does something that is genuinely over the line people are going to throw him out so fast. He can only act like Hasan for so long before he alienates himself from every one of his peers who won’t interact with him as a brand risk
Unfortunately, Hasan's selfishness gets passed off as stupidity too often. None of his popular content-creating friends will ever bother to interrogate the reasoning behind his stances. I mean, c'mon, if they take him seriously now, do you think they have the intellectual capacity to apply critical thinking and basic media literacy? No, they'll just conclude he's a silly radical and he'll get away Scott free by playing dumb.
Idk about that, he bragged about screwing a hooker in a German brothel that was busted for sex trafficking, and while he prob wasn't aware of that at the time, anybody who's not a trendy leftist would have been torn to shreds for doing the same thing without anyone giving them the benefit of the doubt.
Idk Like look at mizkif or atrioc. One can only be canceled by oneself or like Andrew tate. I don't like hassan but I doubt he has any secret planes with cameras.
that's how i actually passed from watching hasan to Destiny, was feeling like hasan talks but always plays it safe so i remembered destiny existence and thought maybe i should try this guy instead at least he sticks to what he says. and that's how i never watched hasan ever again
Dude, destinys take on the mortgage shit was wild, he’s saying that ur just evaporating money like rent does, but at the end of a mortgage don’t u own a fucking home? Lmao. Maybe I’m wrong (I’m admittedly not so knowledgeable about this stuff since I’m a renting chad who currently lives with his parents lmao) but this just sounds like the worst take of the century
I don't think owning a home changes anything especially the ROI. I will say that if you can't rent for lower than your mortgage you might be better off just mortgaging.
There’s a lot of financial baggage and potential catastrophe that can come along with getting a mortgage. It’s a pros and cons game. Renting gives you mobility and significantly reduces an “all in” sentiment with where you may be living. You are correct in that you aren’t building equity like with a mortgage, however, if you stop and think about it a bit, there are dozens upon dozens of reasons why being forced into a mortgage that you are now financially responsible for over the next 15/30 years could end up putting you in a compromising predicament.
I’m actually so glad that insanely confrontational progressive guy was on the show so Hasan just looks unhinged ripping on Destiny, who’s just so agreeably moderate lol
@@IamName-vn7wp You’re so outraged about that but not at what triggered it, which was Candace Owens implying that the people she was talking to will burn in hell. Why leave that part out?
1:52:30 - I call this the "Hasan Grift." I watched Hasan for a long time, and you can tell he purposely seeks out negative comment's in order to make it seem like he is constantly under attack. He NEEDS people to do it, because it's a big part of his theme. He takes advantage of this moment to paint himself as a victim, then people will start subscribing, gifting, and donating because they generally feel bad for him. He took all his friend's to the Super Bowl, Japan, and now Mexico. He has a luxury sports car, and a multi-million dollar home that "his mom made him buy." I got tired of his grifting bullshit, and moved on, and I'm glad I am no longer influenced at all by that Champagne Socialist.
He can only take the socialist stance because he knows that ain't no way he ain't ever gonna be required by law (thankfully) to redistribute his wealth to a point he could not live that lifestyle. If there was any sort of heavy communist/socialist redistribution of wealth movement and laws on the horizon I bet he would suddenly find a way of weasling out of his current position.
@@joaorosa5656yeah it’s super obvious that he only supports shit that would never happen so that he can sit in his fuckin chair and virtue signal with NO action taken ever lmao
The United States isn't even one of the most diverse nations. One thing I can appreciate about Destiny is that he at least takes two seconds to google something before just saying outlandish shit to prove his point. Sheesh.
Destiny might have been right in the past about the mortgage thing, but I literally cannot rent a place for cheaper than my mortgage costs INCLUDING repairs. He says rent is for just a place to live... well I'm paying less and it's a place I get to live. I've had my heat go out, my AC go out, sewage problems, garage door problems, and just about every other thing that could go wrong has. I'm still paying way less. I pay 1020 (including tax and insurance) a month. I bought a 160,000 dollar house. Not huge, but way bigger than anywhere I've ever rented. The last place I rented was absolute poverty conditions and it was 900 with way more expensive utilities. Obviously my experience is just one anecdote, but this is the experience for A LOT of people. I have more space, freedom, my car is safe from break ins, I can have roommates and get the full upside to that money they are paying me, and the upside that the money I'm playing for a place to live can eventually come back to me (to a lesser degree). I've been able to save so much more money now that I own a house. I have a safety net to help for when stuff goes wrong, and for the first time in my life, I've been able to take REAL vacations. Housing is not a good investment if your only goal is to build money... he's right about that. The reason we do it is because we already need a place to live and our entire paychecks were going toward rent. I'm a proud morgoid
Destiny is so right on his mortgage take. In 2019 if you could have bought a house you should have. I was lucky that I just happened to be looking at living somewhere forever, so I got
Destiny was sort of wrong on what Hasan believed about affirmative action. In hasans world view people are actively not allowing most black students in because they are black and affirmative action is just a reversal of that policy. Destiny understands affirmative action for what it really is and assumes hasan does to which is where he misunderstood hasan.
When he bashed that mother for criticizing AA and hoping her kids got in for their skills and good grades and not for their skin color, I knew he didn’t understand.
Eh it’s inevitable on the internet that’s why people need to not think they know everything and be so arrogant. So many aren’t even capable of imagining how much info they’re missing
Yea aside from Isreal I pretty much disagree with 80% of destiny’s view points, but it’s really good to be able to listen to someone on the other side who’s well thought out, well researched and genuine. He’s one of the few I actually enjoy listening to yet disagree with and that has been invaluable 🤘
I started as a h3h3 fan, then found out about hasan, then destiny. I saw some of the highly emotional unhinged side of destiny at first, but over time i saw more of his content and he won me over with his excellent logical consistency 👏. He's also become more mature over time imo so that helps too.
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Just wanted to say I really like what you've been doing with the editing for these last couple vids
what's the box game he's playing in this? Also, great work, mr editor
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Can confirm: as an ex-Hasan and Vaush fan, I HATED Destiny for a long time without ever watching a full video of his. When I eventually did, I immediately felt like Destiny was expressing sentiments I'd been struggling to wrap my head around for years and I felt right at home politically for the first time. They absolutely poison the well and have a delusional hatred for Destiny. Needless to say, I no longer watch those other guys and Destiny is now my alltime favourite female streamer
hey now destiny hates those guys too remember when he lied about a certain vaush thing in the manifesto?
@@garywebb2432 Counterpoint: Don't you remember that thing that proves that Destiny loves Vaush and Hasan?
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I'm referring to an actual thing that happened the "it's close enough for jazz" manifesto thing destiny said about vaush that didn't happen
@@garywebb2432I believe vaush and destiny love each other very much XD
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Hasan saying the take is reductive is the most hilarious thing. All he does is reductive takes 😂
Hasan the class reductionist
This take is ironically reductive
@@sliemelela2541 uh huh
@@sliemelela2541sure
Pretty much any influencer political or not does
Love when Hasan starts a sentence and realises he's saying nothing half way through. Always cracks me up
Chrissy on Livia's wake
Hasan's mouth moves too fast for his decomposing Socialist brain to keep up
@@yuvrajvashishth8692 my mothers wake... Jesus Christ.
If he ever really realized that he would never talk. Every time he opens his face he spews meaningless drivel.
during the affirmative action statement, you could see he was trying to backpedal and actually still formulate a coherent point, there's no way that people didn't see him realise he fucked up
It’s crazy how Hasan just calls anything he disagrees with Racist so he doesn’t have to engage with it. It’s absolutely mind numbing and infuriating.
Welcome to Internet debates with leftists since 2013
It’s how intellectually inept people approach conversations they are not quite understanding
I think what’s more frustrating is that when you use a term like “white supremacy” to describe something, the person who you’re speaking to will immediately think you’re calling them a crazy racist and not engage with the discussion.
He doesn’t tho?
@@kadp8096 lol. Good one
it’s crazy how racist hasan is unironically
also shout out to august for the high tier editing hes been doing lately. these edits are so good i actually go back and watch these videos EVEN AFTER already watching the stream
41:10 Hasan thinks Harvard only allows black people in so white supremacists can learn how to commit war crimes while in the presence of black people.
“All this is; is criminalizing black children dancing in the street”
Man thinks riots r how black kids dance lol Turkey keeps producing some of the most racist ppl on the planet
I felt that N-word almost come out
Like his whole career & grift almost ended in a split second
What are you talking about? Why would he want to say that word? And this is rich coming from Destiny's audience. Hasn't he admittedly said the N word?
Also, how is Hasan grifting?
@@guttersails7971 there’s a difference between telling jokes in private with zero intent behind the usage, and nearly letting one rip cuz a black guy said something you thought was dumb
The fact that Hasan is SO popular blows my mind! It truly saddens me that so many people are so easily manipulated! Attacking the person and not the thing being said is literally his bread and butter!
Lizzofication
I just can't understand how people can fall for the shaped stupidity that comes out of Hasans mouth.
Oh of course. If they don't agree with you then they are just being manipulated.
@@guttersails7971 No not at all. I don't dislike Hasan because I disagree with him (that's a TYPICAL Hasan argument right there! You have taken something that 'could' be true and im certain is true some of the time, but then extended that to be true in ALL cases!). I dislike Hasan because he LITERALY does manipulate his audience! He rarely has anything 'factual' to say. So his go to 'tactic' is to just demonize the person saying it! Which is dumb on the face of it because im sure that irl ALL of us know from our own personal experiences that rarely, if ever, do we meet people that we 100% agree with, even among our friends and family! Its like saying Hitler liked Salmon so Salmon MUST be bad! It's sooo dumb! Heck there is even some things I disagree with Destiny about!
Many people dont go deep about the topic they talk/think about or topics in general
Mainstream politics leftist take + looks = winning formula
The thing I enjoy most about Destiny's content is how he's not afraid to just go look up the data or fact check, possibly proving himself wrong even at times. He understands that it's okay to say you're wrong when presented with new information or to just not know enough about something.
@@ronswanson1410which is fair tbh lol takes a lot of effort to check everything. At the same time it is kinda his job so I can see both sides
Exactly why I watch him
@@FHGryphonIRL Depends. The times I've seen him qualify most statements it's either because it's difficult to truly know, so he's using context clues that he recognizes to make a conclusion, if it makes sense. This means, if data appears to the contrary, his audience is already primed to throw his conclusion away, or critically examine it after contradicting data. In every single case, where he gets critique with claims that either make sense, or show contradictory data, he's changed his view, or disproven the critique.
@@ronswanson1410 Every single human being on the planet does this, including academics in less formal settings. Most information intake is a fairly passive process, and we extrapolate onto raw data when we store it, barring people with savant syndrome.
When a point is important and there's a low degree of certainty, that's when one finds concrete sources before proceeding. If one has a high degree of certainty, assuming no dishonesty, it's totally normal to make assumptions based on the information you have previously taken in and rely on your prior conclusions.
Imagine having the influence, money, and status that Hasan does, and still being more insecure than freshmen in high school.
I'm more disturbed by the fact he has those things in the first place. I get YT and Twitch are young audiences but still, can they be this gullible?
hissan 🐍
Don't disrespect freshman like that lol more like middle school
"You know what's more cringe than a liberal? It's a liberal LARPing as a leftie."
Couldn't have said it better myself when it comes to Hasan
I don't understand how Hasan is a real person.
Bro at least watch the video first or wait an hour or smt before typing that 😂
wait until you find out about his fans
@@georgedoukas1687he probably slready saw it on stream
@@georgedoukas1687 maybe he saw the stream??? Or general statement??? Lmao
Have you ever been on a uni campus before?
If Hasan was super chill and made no big deal about the fact that Destiny was there, he would’ve looked better.
He would've. But he can't be chill, at all. Hence, he avoids content from Dest if possible. He just can't keep his composure.
He HAD to poison the well and pre-characterize any potential good argument from Steve as grifting and bad faith.
Shit, dude
@@fungdark8270 Who is Steve?
Destiny
@@jackiejeep I thought he was Steven.
He is pissed off you are having mainstream success people from TYT like you, Pakman likes you, Sam Ceder talks to you, got Aba and Preach in your corner, and now Shaprio is willing to debate you. Meanwhile he only talks to random streamers he thinks he can dunk on and screams at his chat if they say something half a percent different than what he believes.
I'm curious how aware he is about how stupid he comes off whenever he actually does a debate. The one he did on stage with Kirk or whoever was so stupid to the point Cenk had to jump up in the crowd and defend Hasan's stupidity and it started to escalate into taunts for a fist fight
Hasan popularity wise and in terms of mainstream success is doing way better, especially among younger people. I don't like Hasan much but he has garnered a bigger audience than destiny in half of the time, and his "streamer friends" are way more popular than Cenk, Ceder or Aba
Because he is more entertaining. His takes are terrible but most of his audience doesn't really care about politics that much, they are in it for the rants and character attacks on his chat and anyone else who has a different world view@@metalmythology6282
@@metalmythology6282 I think it would be more accurate to say that it angers Hasan that Destiny has more respect from actual adults, debaters, philosophers, politicians, political commentators, etc.
Because at the end of the day, that is what Hasan really strives to be, a respected political commentator and debater, which he is not.
The people Hasan looks up to, seem to like Destiny more.
Or at the very least, Hasan grifts to appear like he wants to be perceived as that hyper-intelligent political debater, but he might not really give a shit at all.
Hasan genuinely only appeals to younger women (because he admittedly is very handsome) and teenagers/kids.
Which is why he hangs with the likes of Pokimane, Valkyrae, etc, as they are in that "appealing to kids/teenagers" sphere.
I also think it angers Hasan that black people like Destiny more then they like him, despite Hasan parroting what he thinks black people want to hear from him.
@@theflipper404 lol I'm sorry but Hasan clearly was never focused on real political aspirations, he just wants to Garner a huge audience and make connections with rich people. He stopped debating and just makes react content all day
Hearing Hasan tell black people how they should think is peak prejudice
nah its peak racism
@@Hades-jm9rv nah its peak white supremacy
Years after their drama, the first time Hasan challenges any of Destiny's points is in a reaction form where he can't be challenged back. He's just so bad faith.
you mean the drama where destiny almost cried, hung up on hasan and laughed on how hasan stupid is? Also after all the videos about hasan? No way hasan happened to watch a jubilee video like usualy does and destiny was in there no way what a dick
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Classic hasanabi viewer trying to rewrite their falling out like Hasan wasn’t the one malding over Destiny or how he treats Destiny like Lord Voldemort. It’s too cute!
@@jdjenk04 well i dont watch hasan on some regular basis but I am sure it goes both ways. Everytime destiny hears someone say that hasan had just some take, he gets horny. Thats a fact i can observe without being a fan. I have learn about their hatred against each other just recently. The very least you can do is to not bring this up cause their love goes both ways
@@matoussedlak545 The difference is that destiny actually responds to the takes, and not the person. Hasan is responding to the person every single time.
You do know UA-cam added a feature to where if you click on someone’s profile in a comment section you can see all their comments from any post the creator has made right? Scrolled through yours for about 30 seconds. I’ve never in my life seen a more obvious Hasan fan. Every opinion you’ve ever posted has either parroted something he said, been an obvious far leftist take, or literally been a direct quote. Your point about destiny getting horny whenever Hasan has a take is so crazy to me. They’re two of the biggest political faces in the industry, have prior beef, opposing views, and have never had a direct debate since their falling out. That’s like saying “omg Ben Shapiro and AOC argued on Twitter. *gasp*”
At the end of the day just stand on your beliefs quit pretending to be neutral ground when literally every comment you’ve ever made proves otherwise.
I went from watching Hassan to Destiny, I started realizing his takes were insane, off the top of my head saying women complaining about trans in women’s sports is unfair just aren’t good enough, people stealing for survival only, and the one time his friend was getting backlash from unhinged people for using black lingo and he agreed if you’re not black you can’t say sht like “on god frfr” 🤣🤣
Hassan is genuinely one of the worst human beings on Earth
Wait till you start realizing Destiny is 50/50 and every argument he loses, he malds into massive lies and reconstruction of truth lmao.
@@skeetermcdank1667 cry more
@@skeetermcdank1667 sounds like a cope
And in two weeks max you'll belistening to Rich Men North Of Richmond non-stop. Trust me, I'm you.
Hasan: These black people got where they are because they worked hard, not because of affirmative action.
Hasan 2 secs later: Why don't these people appreciate that affirmative action helped them get where they are?
I enjoy both Hasan and Destiny so I'm not picking a side, but Hasan was right in this instance and those statements are not mutually exclusive... Affirmative action doesn't mean you're choosing a black kid with a 2.0 GPA over a white kid with a 4.0 GPA. It just means if you have a black person (or insert under-represented group here) and a white person who are similarly qualified you might give preference to the black person in the name of diversity. That black person still earned their way there through hard work and is most certainly deserving, but affirmative action helped them get in the door whereas that probably wouldn't have been the case before.
@knifey_sp00ny17 how do you reconcile that with the fact that asian students have to have higher test scores than black students to get accepted according to the Radford study?
@@katasai4438 First of all SAT scores are just one of a million different metrics used in admissions so that study means literally nothing. Secondly that has nothing to do with my comment, which was about how affirmative action doesn't mean that a person didn't put in the work and earn their place. Both things can be true at the same time.
@@knifey_sp00ny17 "Affirmative action doesn't mean you're choosing a black kid with a 2.0 GPA over a white kid with a 4.0 GPA." No, it means you are choosing a black student with a 926 over an asian student with a 1229.
Which means you are choosing a kid that worked less because studying = higher test scores 99% of the time.
There's lots of valid criticism for Destiny, but holy moly Hasan is another beast. People who just spew out blatant lies on someone's character and basically fill up a checklist of the most outrageous toxic traits one could have to their audience just because you politically don't agree with them is actually insane.
I stopped watching Hasan when he started hyping up Fidel Castro on stream. He's so out of touch it's insane. Seeing someone prop Castro up like that to 20k+ people live, trying to romanticize him just because he hated America like Hasan does, is so brain numbing its insane. "Hates America? Check. Spews Socialism talking points? Check. Acknowledge the hundreds, if not thousands, of instances of him treating his people like literal garbage and denying them of basic human rights? Ahhhh. Who cares!"
His audience is just aids aswell. If you don't align with anything far-left, you're labeled the most cruel things they can conjure up in their heads. Being "far" anything shouldn't be normalized whatsoever. The extreme shouldn't be the end-all-be-all.
Facts
You don't actually have any valid criticism for destiny. Quit being dishonest to make your point seem nuanced.
@@he.5865 im literally banned from his reddit because i made a thread listing out every single thing i dislike about destiny. what are u talking about?
just bc i watch the dude doesnt mean i have to agree with every single take he has. im 17 with both of my parents in my life i dont need a dude in his mid 30s who abuses more drugs than gogo gadget as a prime role model online. it ain that deep.
i agree with him on alot of things, and i disagree with him on alot of things. thats how shit should be imo.
I don’t know. I feel like you’re also pulling a “don’t say anything bad about America, because Castro hated America and Castro was a bad person, so if you criticize America you’re a bad person like Castro”. Of course Hasan is going to romanticize Castro, because he turned Cuba into a socialist country, which it remains even after Castro has died, and socialism is something Hasan strongly believes in. Just like people will romanticize people like George Washington, because to them he represents ideas like American freedom and democracy. I doubt Hasan views Castro as an individual as anymore evil or just compared to all the other historical figures we romanticize.
At 17 you’re doing good man. Best advice I can give you is don’t get arrested. Good luck brother.
As a conservative, I don't agree with everything that Destiny says but his logic is always consistent and I like that he calls a spade a spade. He looks for truth first and I respect the hell out that!
Exactly what I admire about Destiny. Regardless of political positions or personal beliefs, any honest person should be able to at least recognize and appreciate Destiny’s transparency, logic, consistency, the fact that he’s actually got *real* principles (which is so sadly uncommon these days), and his willingness to call it as he sees it with little to no BS. People can deflect to his more toxic behaviors all they want, but most of these people are toxic af and can’t stand toe-to-toe with him in most conversations.
"His logic is always consistent" bro I can't with these comments lmfao
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*Example of a dishonest person*
@@vindikaktus you don't get it. He is not saying he is always logical or always right. He says he is always trying to be, which is the best a human can do. Always good faith because of hanlon's razor.
Not necessarily, there might out there a position destiny holds that go contrary to one of his principles
He's not infallible, he's just a human.
The dude should've given an example, sure, but we don't flock to the extreme of the opposite side because he didn't.
Jesus Christ the pervasiveness of the "fuck the both sides arguments" these days is honestly terrifying. Large creators like Hasan scolding people for trying to stay out of echo chambers is one of the most toxic and damaging things i could possibly imagine.
Haha staying out of echochambers? Totally dude, whatever you say 😂
@@acreativename2781 what would you call purposely ignoring other sides of an argument? Do you have a learning disability?
"cEnTRiSM bAd" is like the most common talking point on the internet now and it's fucking tragic. Like bro, YOU LIVE in a centrist society. The fact that your society is neither a full blown genocidal Nazi regime or a communist dictatorship is like the most glowing advocacy for centrism on its own
I love how 100% of hasans audience doesnt even realize how hard he manipulates them. And he does it so easily because they only know politics as far as whatever john oliver said last week, so since they dont know any of the topics he talks about they just implicitly trust whatever he says. But on the off chance someone does know about a topic hes talking you realize how much he leaves out or skews things to fit his narrative. And streamers know hasan is a terrible person, that most non streamers wouldnt understand.
And all streamers/content creators manipulate their audiences but its harmless since usually they're not talking politics/acting as if they're serving in their audiences best interests
hasan is also maniplulated by his audience, he literally said no to the wizard game cause he didnt want to be cancelled...hasan has reached late stage streamin where both his audience and himself need each other to keep in their echo chambers
But he won a streamer award, so that basically validates everything he says.
But seriously, I don't think a single Hasan fan even knows what the word "corroboration" means.
I just can’t get over how they defend the blatantly hypocritical things he says. Like that he lives on a basic necessities budget inside his mansion 🤣
@@Amick2003idk about that a mansion in LA would be like 6m+ I assume but why is he living there at all is my question
So glad Hasan stopped ignoring Destiny and told everyone how he really feels.
Imagine digesting Hasan content and having it shape your worldview
Yuck!
They are among us
@@T800-k6pI am one of them lol
As opposed to...?
@@vindikaktus nazism, corporate fascism, and white supremacy of course.
God as much as I've been hating the redpill arc recently, hearing someone cry 'white supremacy' 30x in one sitting is numbing my brain
“Nobody wants to work anymore”
What kind of world is this man living in.
I'm guessing with the same millennials that loved remote working during the pandemic but are now crying they have to go to the office, or had one of those "my work day at ____" that got laid off because all they did was get lunch sip lattes and nap between 10 minute meetings
I love how Hasan was skipping Destiny before he finished his point, then Hasan argues against something Destiny didn't say or a point Destiny didn't finish
God Hasan Fans are the most delusional people on the planet
A certified Hasan classic
They are moslty young boys and women... once the guys get older they realise it.i did for ex. But i guess its over for women.
I love how hasan almost always pauses in the middle of an argument, badly predicts what the whole argument will be, fights with this straw man, then unpauses and ignores the rest of the argument unless he predicted it correctly.
its his go-to debate tactic.
To be fair, D does that too. He’s just right like he prewatched a lot more. Occasionally his guesses fall flat. It’s basically a game at this point.
@@travissmith2092the big difference is Destiny actually tries to understand what others believe and why, while Hasan just assumes the worst if they aren't socialists, and the best if they are. I personally disagree with about half of destiny's opinions, but I appreciate that he actually debates people instead of just dismissing everyone.
because hasan knows the black experience better than these black guys
Gotta say Destiny, I used to hate listen to some of your social takes but I have to be honest - you’re one of the most rational dudes regardless of if I disagree with you or not. I gotta give you credit for that. I’m still a libertarian Christian, but you’re too right too many times for me to just discount what you say. Keep it up!
Kkona viewer
@@Goodmorning592 had to actually look that up… thought I was terminally online but guess I’m not cause that’s a new one. Thanks for the compliment cause it’s true…? Just cause I wear a flannel doesn’t mean you should just stereotype though… studied philosophy in college and appreciate logic. It’s cute how you think calling me a Redneck without saying it’s an insult though. Also, hillbilly would be a more apt comparison, but you literally know nothing about me so guess I can give you that one.
@@RDComp4 lolol
The splicing in of past clips to support claims is well done and effective.
Hasan lying? Never saw that coming.
Yeah, usually he's sitting.
🤣@@youtubeviolatedme7123
Vegan Gains joining the call in the middle of reacting to Hasan’s reaction to the Jubilee Episode just shows how socially unaware he is.
He has been extra obnoxious lately.
"cops bad, military bad, meat bad, racism bad"
He really wants to steal the spotlight from Q on that heel status.
@@bobDotJSCops are made of meat, so the argument is internally consistent tbf.
Yeah, his social awareness is pretty bad, Destiny and Ana having a talk about abortion bro just came in, and started debate bro-ing her
@bobDotJS he's right about three things, but meat will always be better than vegan anything.
Hassant's viewpoint is:
If it benefits me, it's good. If it doesn't, it's bad.
Most leftists have this simple framework. Additionally, you can see how hassan projects that framework on other people, basing intelligent/moral decisions on whether or not the person benefits from it.
Example being: "why are you against affirmative action if you directly benefitted from it?"
Hassan (and people with this affliction) can't explore ideas to any degree of depth because they are incapable of removing themselves & their values from the equation (or applying other hypothetical values)
Unfortunately, this mindset is very palatable to the general public. It usually capitalizes on people's inclinations to use anecdotal evidence to form and support a biased prescriptive political stance, because intellectual honesty means having basic media literacy, and most people don't have time to do their own research or critically challenge the premises of their own argument.
And the worst part is that it's so unbearably tedious to debunk anecdotal evidence, because you have to essentially teach someone about the abstract concept of bias, and most people aren't patient enough to let you explain yourself completely when you're attacking their worldview.
'if it benefits me it's good, if it doesn't its bad' I wouldn't agree 100% bc if communist Hasan got what he asked for, his million dollar home would belong to everyone. And he would pay taxes so high, he couldn't effort his lavish life style anyway. Obviously he is hypocritical when it comes to this stuff but also his take on streaming stolen content is just to protect himself cuz he is so on the noise with that one. Whenever he would defend XQC he was actually defending himself. There is the 'it benefits me' part. But yeah he would throw any black person under the bus just to get the best end out for himself. That's why when the group he is supposedly trying to protect comes for his ass he just goes 'you don't know what's best for you'. X.x
@notmyopinion4981
Right, typically, the defense of something or even the accusation of others is also subject to this rule.
Defending a behavior because you are guilty of it, additionally projecting a behavior because you're guilty of it.
People with this issue are incapable of empathy; unable to use any hypothetical viewpoint other than their own. They can't even empathize with their future/past self, since they're unable to escape their mentality based on the here&now
I wish there was a term for it. It's very much like aphantasia. But instead of inability to create mental pictures, they're unable to recontectulize / reframe concepts outside of themselves.
@youtubeviolatedme7123
It's a default mentality that you grow out of.
Kids are forced to operate in this way until 11-13 yo, then they have all of their teens and early 20's to solidify their belief system & see if it's compatible with the world/society.
Social media allows people to avoid the necessary confrontations that challenge their beliefs, so they enter into adulthood with underdeveloped, childish framing.
There may be an IQ element to it as well, but for now, it's important to identify the mindset as a core pattern of leftist belief systems.
The only consistency in how they operate is how it benefits them in the moment, & this mindset explains that perfectly imo.
I've met right wingers that have the same issue, so it's not just on the left (but I see it far more on the left than the right)
Hasan is like that video of joe biden saying, "if you dont vote for me, your not black"
I think this clip 1:18:49 is exactly when Hasan got mindbroken about Destiny. His online persona shifted a lot after this and it could be greatly explained by him trying to escape the feeling/perception that he's "Destiny but worse." He no longer wants to debate people at all because he's "above that," not because he's afraid of looking bad in them. He leans way more into extreme leftist stances to differentiate himself from Destiny as a liberal. His declining relevance is because Destiny and his community just inextricably hate him and are poisoning the well for many of his potential viewers. Etc.
@@BareBandSubscription He made allusions to believing that several times in this very video.
@@LoudWaffle
Oh, I’m sorry, I’m a little high rn. I thought you were suggesting that sincerely. My bad
The servers not wanting to serve black people is so true. ive worked in plenty of resturants. the people who were most vocal about it were the black servers 😂 when i was a host, one of the waitresses literally yelled at me for seating too many black people in her section. She was black.
Cause we know the truth about each other. Stereotypes have a little truth in them and low tips are definitely one thing that’s true
As much as I hate to confirm, as someone who was a server and worked in the industry for roughly ten years, that stereotype really is often true. And yes, black servers call it out all the time lol
I had the same experience lol. My black co workers would be the first to say no lol
This entire video can be explained by the fact that Hasan is still salty over what you did to his dog in r/place
🤣🤣🤣🤣
K9/11, never forget
Lmao, "redistribution of the goods to the community"
Is that what you call selling a TV you stole to trade for drugs?
😂😂😂
@@colbycarithers more grounded in reality than the original take. That's the opposite of irony 🤣
@@colbycarithers yeah, I get why you think it's irony. That's why I'm saying it's far closer to truth than they are "redistributing goods to the community for the glory of communism"
@@colbycarithersbro litteraly said that stealing stuff in a riot is "redistribution of wealth" and he "thinks" Hitler was bad because he invaded fucking Poland. Hasan is a 100% an idiot and deserves to be mocked
@@colbycarithers Not reductive at all, that is factually what happens to most of the goods stolen. They're either sold at or above MSRP or kept by the person who stole them for personal gain. There is no "redistribution". Hasan is trying to make it sound like every looter is some radical lefty who wants to seize the means of production, which is patently false.
I mean like come on dude, a single google search shows plenty of examples of looters flaunting their stolen goods for sale on facebook marketplace afterwards. You've gotta be trying to ignore the evidence at this point.
@@colbycarithershe never said black people… ooooooo someone’s In troubleeeeeeeee
4:44 I fell into the Hasan - destiny pipline and this was my experience as well. Once Hasan dropped a few takes that made me raise an eyebrow and heard destiny’s name come up from a few other creators, I found his content and immediately switched sides 😅
I just hate Hasan and Destiny is the only person who hits him for all the shit I notice Hasan do and it's therapeutic to have Destiny call him on shit that I notice but that no other streamer or commentator seems to.
Like if you give Hasan Piker the benefit of the doubt or a generous interpretation to anything he says you're either stupid or naive.
Destiny is so soft on Hasan. I feel like Steven feels like he’s bullying Hasan if he goes to hard because there’s so much to mock Hasan for. So he’s very charitable to Hasan even though he doesn’t deserve it.
That’s how I felt here too because he usually goes harder
@@TaylorJones-hj7crHe treats Hasan like a r*tarded bully.
Hasan saying shitskin is such a good fucking meme 😂
Lav saying ‘just know Hasan is well known in L.A.” is also top tier 😭😭😭
30:40 Hassan’s “are you Stupid?” Rant 😭😭😭😭😭😭
@@donet0death240I still have no idea what the implication was 😅
@@donet0death240could you explain what lav meant? I'm new to Hasan stuff
@@alpaca6462Lav was trying to drop a nuke on Hasan, implying that he had engaged in some sexually improper behavior with underage people she knew. The whole time she was ‘misremembering’ her friend’s age, or more in tune with her tract record, likely just lying for clout.
If Hasan so mad why doesn't he go on Jubilee?
He can't keep his own friends confronting him, you think he will accept talking with anything actually adversarial?
because then he'd have to talk to someone that disagrees with him
@@ZNE1323 he has literallly debated in national television. He just doesn't care to give a platform to Tate's clones, he only cares about Tate. Why would he give clout to someone he hates on a space that he hates (debates)? He will just argue with relevant people because there's no value in online debates aside from... reaching bigger audiences
I'VE BEEN DYING WAITING FOR THIS TO DROP.
My popcorns are almost rotting. Tnx editor.
This is why you refresh the popcorn supply till this drops
@@Ivan-qf4mt True but..... moldy yeasty funky popcorn is bussin
Like weed
I love hasan going right from 'these people should loot stores' to 'there are food deserts in some US cities' and not realising the issue.
Im a european who likes to watch american political streamers because i enjoy witnessing the discourse and occasionally the drama, I don't really have one channel i could completely align myself with but one thing i can say:
Hasan is the only one i completely blocked, including all his freeloader clip propagandists, when he started covering europe more due to covid and ukraine was when i noticed how incredibly uneducated his takes are, and how much he argues against any sort of criticism in bad faith.
Also the fact that i appreciate our system of social democracy here a LOT and this guy is giving everything associated with socialism in the american political sphere such a terrible name and image :D
That editing, August raising the bar for that type of content
Ahhh, I love watching a 20 something streamer, famous online through nepotism, sitting in his Beverly hills mansion chowing down on a bowl of cereal whilst stoking the fires of hatred and division..... Sooooooo satisfying. (And not at all rage inducing!). 😁
I don't think Hasan believes anything he says.
I think it’s possible to be ideologically captured especially when you have a huge audience. Don’t watch enough Hasan to know though.
@@donet0death240Sure, but I don't see that with him. I've watched his content and he just doesn't seem like a serious person. I'd put money on him wanting to just make money saying what he thinks the far left wants to hear. Someone like Vaush, as much as I don't like him Imo he believes what he says.
He doesn't. He preached about turning mansions into apartments for years then stopped right when he bought his mansion. He's a virtue signaling clout chaser. Much like money based preachers.
don't underestimate stupidity
@@ButterflyyyxoxoEither he unironically believes it and doesn't understand it enough to realise it or is farming the fuck out of his idiotic community
I would pay an egregious amount of money for a 1v1 Hassan and Destiny debate on literally anything
Mismatch theory is real, but the universities can’t admit it for PR reasons. So instead of trying to correct the issue, they just make it almost impossible to fail out of their programs. Hence the grade inflation at higher tier universities. The average GPA at Harvard is almost 3.7 which is nonsensical. I went to a regular state university, our average GPA was 2.10
So I've only been following destiny for the past few months, why does hasan hate destiny so much, hasan looks a little uncomfortable anytime he has to speak about him.
They had a fallen out over private n word usage
@@table_saltreally? I didn’t know that. I know they both seem to hate each other lol. Do you know who said it?
Hasan is mad that destiny doesn’t agree about the objective fact that he is the sole creator of the political live-streaming space and destiny only got famous because of him.
@@Mox1990Hasan came from Destiny. What do you mean
@@table_saltit was more than that lol
I probably dont agree with Destiny on well over 90% of things but I respect the fact he is willing to have the conversation with people he dont agree with. Unlike Lasan who just sits in his room and makes his arguments to his chat instead taking them to someone who can challenge them. He is afraid he will show he is full of it and cant back anything he says.
For all the "diversity" hasan preaches about, people like him never experienced diversity of thought. Racism is bad unless its directed towards black conservatives
i was introduced to vaush by 2020 us elections and when i found him to be too much of a anti-fascist i started watching destiny. And now Destiny is my favorite racist queer woman.
@@colbycarithers Bro’s in the trenches for Hasan. He’s not gonna let you near his mansion, lil guy.
How does Hasan have such a hard time comprehending people's opinions? It's always just "What!?"
At least he's improving his reactions
Holy shit
"The same argument is made about whites having "bad culture" with the white supremacy claim"
That is so true, and I've never heard it put that way before, but its exactly the same claim.
There’s gonna be a day when Destiny is gets so popular that Hasan can’t ignore it and he’ll have to answer for EVERY single thing he said about him. He won’t be able to escape it. It’s either that Ethan is gonna talk to him or he’s gonna start going on bigger shows on UA-cam, but he’ll eventually have to talk to destiny again and it will be glorious to see.
This kind of happened during the 2020 democratic primary on Trainwrecks's podcast where Hasan was claiming the Iowa caucus votes were rigged and there was a conspiracy to make Pete Buttiegeig win.
It was not productive Hasan just shouted so De6was shoutin6to counter what he was saying and nobody could understand what was happening.
a little bit go glaze BUT IM HERE FOR IT 🤤🤤🤤
I wish man! Hasan wouldn't talk shit to anyone of his own calibre cuz he just doesn't have the balls. If it gets unavoidable he will just suck up to destiny and be like 'we agree then, we agree then' just like on Ethans show
@@notmyopinion4981 He talks shit on XQC with some regularity but go off I guess?
@@gahbunga yeah to his face? He will just tuck his balls behind his legs and be like 'oh yeah we just have... a f-few disagreements then' 🥺👉👈
Every time the clip of Lav talking about the "Hasan nuke" comes up I'm weirded out even more by Lav's phrasing that she's "vibrating" whenever he's brought up
She vibrated from anticipation how much attention she could get from that lie.
@@Ivan-qf4mt😂 TRUE!
Hell yeah August, get Tiny that Benny boi debate.
Weird
Some of THE BEST react content from this channel in a while
I was a TYT viewer back in the day, when Hasan was Woke Bae and doing Pop Trigger, then to Twitch. And here we are.... Sweet Anita, of all people, showed me the error of my ways.
I don't understand what Sweet Anita has to do with anything. Did she say something about Hasan?
Hasan saying destiny's takes are reductive is actually hilarious.
Calling Destiny a gnome is pathetic and childish.
I would agree, but "Destiny is a girl's name" is a big meme in this fanbase, and I don't see calling him a gnome as that big of a difference.
That's fair. It is still immature. Hasan comes across as bitter and childish.
@WanderTheNomad I think it bothers me because Hasan is bound to be one of those people who gives himself a huge pat on the back for performatively speaking out against toxic masculinity, while playing into it himself by belittling shorter men for their height. I don't watch him, I'm not sure you could pay me to try, so perhaps I'm wrong.
If he doesn't do any of that, I don't think it'd bother me, but Hasan is known for betraying core "principles" of his when it's profitable or convenient to do so, so I don't see why he wouldn't break on this one as well.
I feel like every other clip of Hassan is him stuffing his face. How does he eat so often 😂
He's a big boy with small head
25:35 I think I can honestly say I wasn’t one of these former Vaush/Hasan fans prior to being a regular Destiny viewer. What put me on to Steven’s content was actually his review of Everything Everywhere all at Once lol. 😂
I had just watched the movie for the first time, was blown away, and was looking around UA-cam for reviews to see if I wasn’t the only person who was so impacted by it. By chance Destiny’s channel popped up in the search and his comment that he’s afraid to show close family and friends the movie because if it turned out they didn’t like it he didn’t know if he could associate with them anymore I was like, holy based I’m gonna watch more of this dude’s content cuz that was EXACTLY how I felt. Lmao
kinda funny my becoming a fan didn’t have anything to do with politics, past burned bridges, drama, or red pill shit. Just a based movie take.
Edit: having watched more Destiny, I denounce much of what I said below. Destiny is 100% spot on regarding Hasan and Vaush.
Surely I'm not the only person who is capable of watching all 3 of you guys without my brain exploding?
Hasan reacting to Destiny's content is how I discovered him and the reason I became a fan of Destiny, albeit cautiously at first. If it's not specifically about some bullshit drama, 60% of the video is usually Hasan agreeing with him, 39.9% distracted or yelling at his chat for various reasons, .1% taking a piss.
Vaush agrees with Destiny and Hasan even more often, but probably because he's properly medicated and can focus on the whole video.
Destiny doesn't seem as charitable but is more analytical so will ultimately concede something without much ego in the way.
All 3 have their shitty takes or blindspots, but are more often entertaining and insightful. I really don't see the incompatibility if you're capable of distinguishing between these moments and don't just mindlessly consume everything any one person says.
I don't know all of the lore behind the drama, not really interested, but it's apparent a lot of Cornflakes got shat in at some point despite it seeming like there was a lot of respect for each other once upon a time. Now they're just lost in the caricatures they've made of each other.
Yeah you'd think 3 guys who constantly get annoyed about being mischaracterised night realise at some point that they're all doing it to each other. I can watch all 3 but watching them talk about each other is utter brain rot
You're kinda right but it seems to me that among them, Destiny is the only one who doesn't have a massive ego and the one with most good faith.
I could see that but I guess I just don’t agree with Hasans core views and cockiness when he talks about the world.
Destiny I mostly like for criticizing these views. He knows a decent amount about certain topics. Others he’s pretty uninformed. At least he’s honest about it though
I have to disagree with equating the 3 of them creating delusional caricatures of each other. As shown, Destiny will agree with them, without poisoning the well. Most of his criticisms of Hasan are all backed up with sound reasoning and receipts. When he criticizes them, it's in response to something they do/say, not before they do/say it. It's way worse to avoid mentioning someone, unless to falsely accuse him and his community of hate raiding/mass reporting, than it is to show full context of someone's positions and disagree with them. The "caricature" of Hasan and Vaush are actually accurate. You could see how much more honest he is about them from this video itself.
@@maytricks3969 Having actually watched more Destiny, I agree 100%.
TINY REALLY ROCKED THIS ONE
Hasan loves a good buzzword
He systematically and affirmatively loves structurally critical buzzwords
I cant even follow Hasan's logic anymore, i used to be able to at least understand how he can arive at a hilarious conclusion, but now their is no way to even come close to what he says without being extremely hateful and just outright lie
It’s like trying to digest rock.
You just can’t.
You won’t any logic there.
That's because as he became less relevant and became too niche, he felt his views slipping so he became more and more extreme in order to hold onto his base as much as possible, while also getting attention from the "side" against him because his takes are so brain dead these days... so its a win win for him, it's blatant grifting to the point I just ignore him now, I refuse to click on any of his content recommended to me on yt and luckily it no longer pops up, hopefully eventually people will stop even reacting to hasan at all, it's just so obvious he's grifting on purpose for $ now. It's gotten boring.
I respect that you use full videos with full context. It makes it so much easier to understand and helps me to navigate to your content knowing you are a good faith person whether I agree with you 100% or not
25:00 I honestly think the biggest thing holding destiny back from mainstream prominence are the terminally online weirdos he associates with. Giving airtime to people like Darius and random onlyfans chicks really hurts destiny’s credibility in my opinion and is often detrimental to the quality of his content.
I agree.
Name me anyone that's mainstream who cares about the people Destiny associates with? He met people like Lex Fridman, Dr.K, Tulsi Gabbard, etc, and none of these people gave a shit about Destiny's drama content and his orbiters, I just think people like you that make this arguments just hate orbiter content and not because it actually prevents him from meeting mainstream people. Destiny made that point so many times, and it just goes over some of DGGs heads..
those people are not actually mainstream. he will rarely if ever get a chance to sit down with any legitimate politician or people like ben shapiro or jordan peterson as long as he continues this type of content. it's too much of a pr risk for them @@SisckoImper
I love that Destiny still talks to Vegan Gains. He's really annoying, but Destiny tolerates it and I think that's nice. There's still value to be gained in talking to annoying people
i agree it’s very important to be friends w people who sort of annoy you
@@deep_and_profound_topicsthat’s why I still talk to your mom
@@thegrimeyhole that's why I still talk to my mom
@@thegrimeyhole hey pal, wanna be friends?
he makes monney off of him, nothing nice about it
I do wonder if a lot of people in Hasans audience see the cognitive dissonance of him complaining that other political pundits critique what he says while he also regularly critiques the same political pundits ie Ben Shapiro, Tucker Carlson, Tim Pool etc.
Which is also fine, it's pretty common for political pundits to go over what other popular political pundits are saying but the constant shield from criticism by just calling the other person obsessed must make some people think how dumb that is.
With Hasan its not just a shield. He tries to protect himself from Destiny at all costs, even banning Destiny's name in his chat.
he's not completely dumb. he knows he can't look good debating destiny and the character assassination he does on his stream talking to himself wouldn't stick. IF they were to go at it I bet a lot of hasan fans would start to see the light a little bit and actually switch sides@@catgenocide6940
I think the biggest problem with welfare, or people trying to come out of it (having baby daddy live in the house, combining incomes into a functional family unit) is you run into the same problem with getting people off unemployment. If unemployment or welfare gives me x amount of money a month, but by getting a job (40/hr work week) I earn x + 1, most people will view the work they are doing as only worth the 1 in that equation. Using the COVID unemployment bonus ($600/wk, basically a 15/hr 40hr work week) if I go out and find a job for $17/hr, I can rationalize my work as actually being only $2/hr for my time of 40 hours a week. Once this structure is put in place, it's hard to escape it mentally, even if you are incrementally improving your financial situation.
lol was insane how many people took advantage of the covid unemployment even when they didn't have to and begged to be laid off. I swear the money was alot more than 600.wk though
@@snapple4pple you would be correct. The $600/wk was actually a ‘COVID bonus’ on top of the regular unemployment benefits. There were a lot of people who made MORE money on COVID unemployment than they did at their jobs.
I remember being labeled as an “essential worker” (I cut grass for a living) and was making less than the $600/wk even before I paid taxes on my check. (Cut off from all overtime as well).
The lockdowns completely flipped the incentive structures for working in this country, and we still haven’t quite figured out how to put the pieces back together.
you would be surprised at how much employers *DONT* pick candidates based on merit.
its who you know and where you are, not what you know.
thats always been the rule and will continue to be unless society gets its head on straight and things get more meritocratic but i highly doubt thatd happen
Is it really true employers are willingly sacrificing profit to hire less efficient employees?
@@calculator91 thats a great question but no; in their minds they are not sacrificing profit. they are hiring people that they like or that they know previously. they *perceive* people that they have acquaintance with as better options id say, whether they are better or not.
the companies arent typically looking for the most competent person. theyre looking for someone they could see themselves being friends with. these are people theyre going to see on a daily regular basis for a while.
theres a very interesting article/poll by a journalist on fortune 500 companies that attempted to find what big companies universally hire for that goes over this.
It blows my mind that people don't realize this. How stupid do we have to be as a society to believe that this is a meritocracy. You quite literally have to ignore all of US history to think that. That's not to say that you cannot get far via merit but many times and statically, you will be of average competence, and 9/10 times, the person with connections and wealth (and who is also of average competence) will get opportunities over a non-connected person.
@@B10Esteban yah it is bewildering honestly. this idea of meritocracy and the american dream is so buried deep into american beliefs that they dont even realize they believe it. its crazy. but theres is ridiculous amounts of evidence to debunk it. like you said, youd have to ignore all of US history to think this. youd have ignore all of the _worlds_ history and _every_ country to think this.
30:03
I think the reason why destiny (and the black conservative ) are not on the same page as Hasan is because they view AA as giving black Americans an ADVANTAGE when enrolling, where as Hasan views it as giving black Americans an EQUAL OPPORTUNITY for being accepted.
So when Hasan says "yeah dummy, your kids DID get in bc of AA" he means they were not discriminated against, but destiny (and the black conservative) hears "they were not good enough, they only got accepted because of AAs unfair advantage during selection'
You're very right about Hasan viewers, I used to be one and I never hated destiny, but I definitely didn't want to watch anything from him because how Hasan and Vaush spoke about him. But then I watched the duo debate with Vaush and Destiny teaming up. You're very right. Hasan is shitting himself that people will actually hear Destiny speak for himself for once on his stream.
I am waiting for the day Hasan finally gets canceled for how bad a person he is. He is “friends” with too many creators for him to get removed normally, but the second he does something that is genuinely over the line people are going to throw him out so fast. He can only act like Hasan for so long before he alienates himself from every one of his peers who won’t interact with him as a brand risk
Unfortunately, Hasan's selfishness gets passed off as stupidity too often. None of his popular content-creating friends will ever bother to interrogate the reasoning behind his stances. I mean, c'mon, if they take him seriously now, do you think they have the intellectual capacity to apply critical thinking and basic media literacy? No, they'll just conclude he's a silly radical and he'll get away Scott free by playing dumb.
Idk about that, he bragged about screwing a hooker in a German brothel that was busted for sex trafficking, and while he prob wasn't aware of that at the time, anybody who's not a trendy leftist would have been torn to shreds for doing the same thing without anyone giving them the benefit of the doubt.
Idk
Like look at mizkif or atrioc. One can only be canceled by oneself or like Andrew tate.
I don't like hassan but I doubt he has any secret planes with cameras.
As long as his bridge with QT and Pokimane is there, their Twitch aristocrat circles wont ever be gone.
that's how i actually passed from watching hasan to Destiny, was feeling like hasan talks but always plays it safe so i remembered destiny existence and thought maybe i should try this guy instead at least he sticks to what he says.
and that's how i never watched hasan ever again
Dude, destinys take on the mortgage shit was wild, he’s saying that ur just evaporating money like rent does, but at the end of a mortgage don’t u own a fucking home? Lmao. Maybe I’m wrong (I’m admittedly not so knowledgeable about this stuff since I’m a renting chad who currently lives with his parents lmao) but this just sounds like the worst take of the century
I don't think owning a home changes anything especially the ROI. I will say that if you can't rent for lower than your mortgage you might be better off just mortgaging.
There’s a lot of financial baggage and potential catastrophe that can come along with getting a mortgage. It’s a pros and cons game. Renting gives you mobility and significantly reduces an “all in” sentiment with where you may be living. You are correct in that you aren’t building equity like with a mortgage, however, if you stop and think about it a bit, there are dozens upon dozens of reasons why being forced into a mortgage that you are now financially responsible for over the next 15/30 years could end up putting you in a compromising predicament.
I’m actually so glad that insanely confrontational progressive guy was on the show so Hasan just looks unhinged ripping on Destiny, who’s just so agreeably moderate lol
I'm a Destiny and Actual Justice Warrior fan so not a fan of Hasan.. but I lol'ed so loud I felt bad when Hasan called Destiny a g-nome
Justice warrior weirdos
@@leecameron9226 😁
@@IamName-vn7wp You’re so outraged about that but not at what triggered it, which was Candace Owens implying that the people she was talking to will burn in hell. Why leave that part out?
1:52:30 - I call this the "Hasan Grift." I watched Hasan for a long time, and you can tell he purposely seeks out negative comment's in order to make it seem like he is constantly under attack. He NEEDS people to do it, because it's a big part of his theme. He takes advantage of this moment to paint himself as a victim, then people will start subscribing, gifting, and donating because they generally feel bad for him. He took all his friend's to the Super Bowl, Japan, and now Mexico. He has a luxury sports car, and a multi-million dollar home that "his mom made him buy." I got tired of his grifting bullshit, and moved on, and I'm glad I am no longer influenced at all by that Champagne Socialist.
He can only take the socialist stance because he knows that ain't no way he ain't ever gonna be required by law (thankfully) to redistribute his wealth to a point he could not live that lifestyle. If there was any sort of heavy communist/socialist redistribution of wealth movement and laws on the horizon I bet he would suddenly find a way of weasling out of his current position.
@@joaorosa5656yeah it’s super obvious that he only supports shit that would never happen so that he can sit in his fuckin chair and virtue signal with NO action taken ever lmao
socialism = poverty god come up with better arguements.
I don’t wanna hear the word “reductive” unless I’m making a fucking brûlée
36:25-51:07 I now see why Destiny dislikes Hasan. He literally takes a stand in the middle... While he MJ lean to the left and right.
You already knew August was gonna go hard on this one
I love it everytime he brings up a clip from the past as evidence to what is currently being claimed.
Inject that shit into my veins!
The United States isn't even one of the most diverse nations. One thing I can appreciate about Destiny is that he at least takes two seconds to google something before just saying outlandish shit to prove his point. Sheesh.
i am convinced destiny and hasan secretly love eachother
I love Steven's facial expressions when people are bad faith about him HAHAHA!.
man the personal attacks hasan randomly throws out are such a turn off
Destiny might have been right in the past about the mortgage thing, but I literally cannot rent a place for cheaper than my mortgage costs INCLUDING repairs. He says rent is for just a place to live... well I'm paying less and it's a place I get to live. I've had my heat go out, my AC go out, sewage problems, garage door problems, and just about every other thing that could go wrong has. I'm still paying way less. I pay 1020 (including tax and insurance) a month. I bought a 160,000 dollar house. Not huge, but way bigger than anywhere I've ever rented. The last place I rented was absolute poverty conditions and it was 900 with way more expensive utilities. Obviously my experience is just one anecdote, but this is the experience for A LOT of people. I have more space, freedom, my car is safe from break ins, I can have roommates and get the full upside to that money they are paying me, and the upside that the money I'm playing for a place to live can eventually come back to me (to a lesser degree). I've been able to save so much more money now that I own a house. I have a safety net to help for when stuff goes wrong, and for the first time in my life, I've been able to take REAL vacations.
Housing is not a good investment if your only goal is to build money... he's right about that. The reason we do it is because we already need a place to live and our entire paychecks were going toward rent. I'm a proud morgoid
If I had a penny for every time Hasan used the word "literally"....
you would literally be a millionare
Youll still be less rich than hasan
Destiny is so right on his mortgage take. In 2019 if you could have bought a house you should have. I was lucky that I just happened to be looking at living somewhere forever, so I got
Non Black Person: "You're a black person, why are you saying that?!"
Exactly the problem with America right now.
3:58 August I love you. Keep it up man, this is amazing.
Destiny was sort of wrong on what Hasan believed about affirmative action. In hasans world view people are actively not allowing most black students in because they are black and affirmative action is just a reversal of that policy. Destiny understands affirmative action for what it really is and assumes hasan does to which is where he misunderstood hasan.
When he bashed that mother for criticizing AA and hoping her kids got in for their skills and good grades and not for their skin color, I knew he didn’t understand.
As hasan fan once upon a time just hearing destiny every now and then he's completely right about the pipline
Pipeline to what?
@@pixelbath2131 Pipeline to not being retarded
@@pixelbath2131from insanity and images to a place closer to the truth.
Like Plato’s Cave
The pendulum always winds up in the center
Eh it’s inevitable on the internet that’s why people need to not think they know everything and be so arrogant. So many aren’t even capable of imagining how much info they’re missing
Yea aside from Isreal I pretty much disagree with 80% of destiny’s view points, but it’s really good to be able to listen to someone on the other side who’s well thought out, well researched and genuine. He’s one of the few I actually enjoy listening to yet disagree with and that has been invaluable 🤘
I started as a h3h3 fan, then found out about hasan, then destiny. I saw some of the highly emotional unhinged side of destiny at first, but over time i saw more of his content and he won me over with his excellent logical consistency 👏. He's also become more mature over time imo so that helps too.
By h3h3 Im guessing their pre-Leftovers first time gamba debate against xqc & trainwrecks? Or like through Leftovers?
@@gambigambigambi pre leftovers, when he was first on the show, i don't think it was a debate.
@@zeno4538 like he was a guest on a h3 podcast?
@@gambigambigambi correct
This is such a banger video, I feel so ashamed to have been a Hasan fan