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The REAL Religion behind National Socialism
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- Опубліковано 23 кві 2023
- There is a huge historical debate over what type of religion National Socialism was. Some think it's pagan, others think it's Christian, but it turns out that it's something else. This video will explain what it is and provide evidence along the way.
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Lindsay, J. “The Negation of the Real.” 27 Jan 2023 • The Negation of the Re...
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History isn’t as boring as some people think, and my goal is to get people talking about it. I also want to dispel the myths and distortions that ruin our perception of the past by asking a simple question - “But is this really the case?”. I have a 2:1 Degree in History and a passion for early 20th Century conflicts (mainly WW2). I’m therefore approaching this like I would an academic essay. Lots of sources, quotes, references and so on. Only the truth will do.
So completely by coincidence, James Lindsay has just republished his lecture "The Negation of the Real" on his own New Discourses channel. Originally it was on another channel. So here's the link to the new video ua-cam.com/video/Lk_w2-8snWk/v-deo.html
(He released this an hour and a half after I published this video! What are the odds!)
Great video, but I would really look more up on St. John, he wasn't a gnostic.
Two of my sources specifically state that John was a Gnostic, and if you read about the 'Apocryphon of John', you'll see that he directly receives gnosis from Jesus, giving him the power to predict the future.
@TIKhistory Thanks for the source. I'll look into it.
Great! It's not a hill that I'm willing to die upon by the way, I'm just pointing out what the sources I used said. If they're wrong, fair enough.
@@TheImperatorKnight no Christian would ever claim that st. john was gnostic even with his divine revelation, as to why, not I'm not sure but I geruntee that this is a question that has been answered by the Catholic Church already, as to whether the book of revelation is any good or not or meant to be 'secret knowledge'
Really appreciate the use of 40k, meme imagery, and other artwork to both illustrate, add levity, and empathize and every combination! It takes a skilled orator to add levity and engagement without compromising their argument.
I think Games Workshop managed to bumble their way into creating a modern allegory nearly on par with the ancient scriptures.
The Emperor sought to erase religion, and nearly damned humanity in the process.
Gnostics often attract those who are arrogant, or lost, similar to how, in Inquisitor Ravenor's words "Chaos claims the unwary and the incomplete".
The fall of the Aeldari mirrors the fall of Rome and the ongoing crisis.
Chaos cultists are no different from the Gnostic cultists.
The only hopes to defeat Chaos?
Either absolute denial of it trough science and logical thinking, which is what The Emperor intended with the Imperial Truth, and was working as the Ruinuous powers were being weakened and in desperation rushed the events leading to the Heresy; the other option is Faith in God, in this instance in the God Emperor, which serves as a bulwark against corruption.
And how does Chaos spreads? Corruption. It is parasitic in nature.
I fully agree with this, I really enjoy every episode, always. They're small pieces of art!
U can also say Muhammad was the last Gnostic because he claimed that and his words and Korn are unquestionable. U cannot question them and they claim full knowledge of the world and universe from the time before Adam to end if times and beyond and if u question then u r killed. No questions asked. Adhere or blind loyalty is only accepted else u r not a muslim if u question==
Kinda like Marxism.
Bro… i just found your channel… now my only question is: what do I tell my boss tomorrow when I don’t go to work because I stay home and do a marathon of your videos? Thanks for the amazing work…
Tell him nothing is real and everything is changing
Note how Irenaeus of Lyons wrote several books called "against heresies" around 200 AD where he refutes the gnostics.
Watching from Hong Kong. Stayed up to watch the new episode just in time of being released. TIK is simply the best and most analytical UA-cam channel out there. Thanks for your hard work week by week!
"Dono Trump, don't trusta China! China is ass-hoe!"
-some Hong Kong dude
As a Religious Studies student and World War II history fanatic, my two life obsessions come together in this video!
Well, I hope it meets your expectations!
You listen to the Bible Geek?
@@TheImperatorKnight (joking) it was pure trash! Garbage in fact!! Call me Oscar the Grouch cuz I loved it and count it priceless and precious!! More (c)TikTrash plz!!!
@@TheImperatorKnight hey Tic, where’s Toc 😖
Religious studies is a great field. Best way to defeat your enemy is to know them!
Really very enlightening. Thank you. As a German Roman Catholic and Philosophy teacher (after a career in military and international affairs), this is truly a good summary of the Gnostic problem. It is vital in order to understand current affairs and history to dig deeper into people's believes, whether they be religious or philosophic. Also our current situation seems like a re-iteration of this theme...
"Gnostic problem"...?
You are not going to convince us by regurgitating the Early church fathers, are you ?
Is it the 4th century again?
@@jamesregiste960you think it ended? You think postmodern atheistic deconstructionist drivel is anything other than Gnostic behind the scenes influence? They work the same way they worked in the 4th century. I mean, seriously. Look around you. Who do you think is running things right now? We had a brief couple centuries of philosophical & spiritual enlightenment that is currently being stripped away little by little & you think researching early church fathers is problematic? They seemed to have understood the problem far better than you.
@@jamesregiste960Least delusional protestant:
@@jamesregiste960 Roman Catholicism is Gnostic. He/She is stuck inside its paradigm and therefore cannot see that his/her church is the "Gnostic problem".
On the question of whether Hitler was a Christian, he is widely quoted as saying "The only prophet I ever respected was Mohammed."
No one who says that would consider themselves a Christian or would be considered a Christian by any denomination.
Anyone who studies history and AH knows he used religion, he clearly thought of national socialism in terms of being far more important. Hence why he tried to create an imitation Christianity, "Positive Christianity" to help replace it which was barely Christian at all and was essentially a stepping stone to becoming a full blown national socialist.
plenty of Christians respect Muhammad and his way of turning million away from paganism
As a Christian myself, I love these types of videos. I read lots of bible lore and research demonology, I read a lot of intelligent design writers like Harvard PhD Stephen Meyr and Oxford professor John Lennox. In their books they speak chapters on how esoteric faiths drop one faith, only to pick up another one. As Tolkien said, Evil cannot create, it can only imitate what good has already created and corrupt it."
Have you read the apocraphon of John?
Meyr can go to hell.
christianity isnt a real religion
@@low_vibration yes it is. Its kind of the archetypal religion. Most cultures did not have the concept of 'religion' until Christians and Muslims introduced it.
@@MrWaterlionmonkey lmao the jews and zoroastrians say what now? Is hinduism not real either? I swear Christian/muslim arrogance knows no bounds
OK, hit the brakes for moment on St. John. John's epistles attacked early Gnosticism explicitly. The Revelation of St. John is NOT THE SAME as the Gospel of John (which in turn is not the same as the epistles - 1st John, 2nd John, and 3rd John). And no, St. John did not believe all those Gnostic heresies TIK mentions, he attacked some of them in his epistle letters. The "Revelation of St. John" has often been questioned as potentially pseudopigraphic, and therefore noncanonical, but it echoes much of what was revealed in the Old Testament books of Daniel and Ezekiel, so most Christian Churches accept it. And nothing in The Revelation is openly Gnostic, so it can be argued that the Gnostics simply laid claim to it in order to make their own beliefs appear orthodox (not to be confused with Orthodox).
It's more accurate to say John and Revelation have "opportunities" for Gnostic sophistry. Tik clearly doesn't understand scripture or how all of it is discerned in relation to the rest of scripture, hermeneutics. Tik is the people in Isaiah 28 taking scripture precept upon precept rather than in totality.
@@freedomslunch ur very correct, his also misreading is that all religions are basically the same when u only need pick up the bible and koran and see the stark difference in doctrine.
@smoothchilling64 Not once did he say they're basically the same and he also didn't say everything or most of what John said was Gnostic. He clearly said there were hints of Gnosticism in the revelations. So you're just flat out lying simply because you don't like what he's presenting because cuts into your beliefs.
@freedomslunch With "scripture," there is nothing *_to_* understand. As a whole, scripture doesn't mean anything. It is only as individual books that a coherent message can be discerned, because what we have are at least 66 different messages that can _sometimes_ overlap but are in no way obligated to agree. Exegesis is just a collection of techniques Christians use to force different books onto the same message, and the "right way" to do exegesis varies depending on which sect you're dealing with. Understanding exegesis is not a matter of understanding the Bible. It's simply a matter of agreeing with the interpretation of whoever you happen to be talking to.
@@somexp12 That's a delusional and condescending take. There's no way to answer such sophistry. Complexity is something beyond your worldview.
Paul and John were explicitly anti-gnostic.
The Swastika wasn't and isn't exclusive to Hinduism and its derivatives. Several cultures including Native Americans have had swastikas as an important symbol.
neither anti-semitism is exclusive to the nazis. They were kicked out of 1000 locations across 109 different countries. Seemingly every region they have ever inhabited has become hostile to them and quoted similar reasons and similar crimes but thats just a coincidence
Yes. The swastika goes back before Hindus adopted it.
I think it’s because of the Aryan migration to India and Indo European connection which is why the swastika was adopted
@jojomathew8176 not allowed to talk about the Aryan culture in modern times
Yes I have seen pic with old native indians have the svastika symbol. I read that its a symbol for good luck to the one have it.
I like the symbol, but cant use it becorse I would be judge as a nazi.
Hey Tik, glad you decided to go through with the video despite the possibility of stepping on toes.
And as a Christian I found it very interesting to see how Christianity relates to gnosticism, it was especially interesting to re-read John 1:3 as I had never realised what it had actually said before, goes to prove that we can always learn more.
As James Lindsay said (and I encourage you to watch his video if you haven't), they change the words to suit their meanings, which often can lead to confusion. So when John says "nothing", he means nothing. But the Gnostics see "nothing" as everything that exists in the material realm! It's just really interesting how they're able to flip the script like that.
If you are interested in gnosticism. I would recommend you look up the book of Enoch.
@@TheImperatorKnight The more typical translation is to the effect of "and without him nothing was made", in other words there is nothing that exists that wasn't made by God. The Gnostics misinterpreted it to suit their own ends. I realize your point is that you think thier is Gnosticism inherent in the text. I would respectfully disagree on this point.
You should look into the Order of the Rosea Cross.
I can tell you that the New Testament is probably the most wildly misunderstood text(s) in history, because its primary proponent (Nicene-descended Christianity) divorces it from the historical and linguistic context of 1st century Judaism and a firm foundation in the Hebrew Bible. On top of that, you have people throughout history piling further corruptions on top of that, like the Gnostics and countless others. Paul is perhaps the most egregious example, where even Peter says Paul is difficult to understand and people are already twisting them to their own destruction (2 Pe 3:15-16).
The clearest example is Romans 7, which in verse 1 states, "(for I speak to them that know the law,)" indicating that anyone who is not well versed in "the law" (of Moses) will not understand. It is one of the key passages used by the church to declare that the Mosaic laws no longer apply, and yet, if you're familiar with the laws regarding marriage (Deu. 24:1-4), as well as Hosea's prophecies (and Jer. 3 and others), you can see that's not at all what he's trying to say. He's trying to show that the (northern) Kingdom of Israel, having been "divorced" by God on account of idolatry (likened to adultery), but also promised in the next breath to be one day restored, while Deu. 24 forbids remarrying a divorces wife who has taken another, requires a circle to be squared. So, the "husband" (Jesus as God inhabiting flesh) must die so the former marital restrictions no longer apply (since death ends marital obligations) in order that the divorced, idolatrous Israel may be allowed to return (hence all the wedding parables, including in Revelation 19.) He's not abrogating the divine law, which would violate Deu. 4:2 and 12:32; the Deu. 13 test of a prophet (all of which a Pharisee like Paul would be very aware of); as well as contradict numerous statements by Jesus (e.g. Mat 5:17-20).
In reality, the entirety of the New Testament is about the regathering of the exiled Northern Israelites, who had largely forgotten their identity and worshipped strange gods (Deu. 28:36, 28:64). "House of Israel", "Ephraim", "lost sheep", etc. are all terms from the Hebrew Bible specifically referring to those 10 "lost tribes," as a SEPARATE entity from the Jews/House of Judah. You can do a search for those terms and clearly see that all throughout Scripture. Also see Gen. 48:19 (become the fullness of the nations?) Then read Mat. 15:24, 1 Pe. 1:1, Jas. 1:1 in light of that.
But, a core tenet of the Nicene faith is "replacement theology," where the "Israel" is replaced with "the church" and so "the church" gets to enjoy all the promises to Israel (but only the good ones, conveniently.) The Mosaic laws are all abrogated, except for whichever ones can be conveniently adopted/twisted to the advantage of whatever clergy or ministry sees benefit in them (tithing, anyone?)
TL;DR, reinterpreting Scripture to suit one's pre-existing narrative is the oldest trick in the book. Siphon off of the authority of something already established in order to grant the appearance of authority to your own scheme. And that's not even accounting for just plain old confusion and poor reading comprehension. The great revelation here is that this "gnostic" strategy is far more pervasive than people realize.
More people need to see this, and James Lindsay's podcasts on gnosticism and the roots it has in the current climate. Once you realize that the reason all these awful ideologies operate a lot like religion is because they ARE a religion things start to make more sense and they are more easily combatible.
I agree, and TIK's previous comments about how people coming from Classical Liberal perspective are immune to things like Mein Kampf slots right in here
@cctkid86 - I'm nowhere near a genius but I had worked that out for myself by age 14. It helps a lot when you're not subjected to child abuse by having religion shoved down your throat hehehe
james has no idea what he's talking about when it comes to hermeticism. he's on point about the the communist infiltration stuff but apart from that he might as well be a child. gnosis isnt inherently bad
@@low_vibration He's actually discussed that both of those concepts, like many concepts, are not always inherently bad but the ends to which people use them often are. He's literally discussed how individuals like Newton were gnostics. He's talking about what it's used for now and the history of what made it what it is now, and that's valuable to know.
But everyone is free to their own interpretations, it's the internet.
@@cctkid86 yes and gnostic =/= Gnostic. I agree with him that the capital G Gnostics were a bunch of weirdos but he thinks that they're the standard for everything that isnt Christianity/islam which isnt even remotely close to true
The leap from, 'gnostics like to be prophets' and 'St. John wrote a prohetic book' to ' St. John was a gnostic' is quite the jump...
Haven't finished the video yet, but yeah, it seems like the dude just discovered Gnosticism (which itself is just one of the many forms of mysticism) and now he sees everything as a Gnostic conspiracy... even though Gnosticism is supposed to be about asceticism ?
Yeah one of the few points are disagree with. Maybe he has an agenda of his own
the christian god and the muslim god are not one and the same. the details in the scripters of both religions differentiate the two
It is Yahweh, jews , xtains and muslims have zame God. Only difference is that jews donot consider jesus and Muhammad as prophets. Muslims consider jesus as prophet but not son of God and consider Muhammad as the last and final prophet... Xtauns consider jesus as not a prophet but Son and Father Himself born without sin, immaculate birth from a virgin... But The God Himself is same because all three have Adam , Eve, Same story of Genesis, Moses, Abraham and Solomon and all the other Jewish prophets. Then muslim have some extra cultural things added by Muhammad to make it more palpitable for his followers. Basically Islam is just a cult started by Muhammad by plagiarising work of jews and xtains and then adding his own thoughts for his personal gains and fame. But if u say this out loud in oublic, u will be beheaded without mercy so no one says it publicly.
They are the same. They both worship the god of Abraham and Muslims believe in pretty much everything the christians believe besides the nature of Christ being gid in the flesh.
This is fascinating! I grew up in Scientology, and through this i can see that Scientology is in the same religious category as well.
Hubbard describes the meaning of the word "Scientology" as deriving from the Latin "scio", which he defines as "knowing in the truest sense of the word." 😉
Scientology is based on Crowleyan black magic, Hubbard himself claimed to be the anti Christ.
@@JudoMateo what a whackjob
I was about to say the same thing it's oddly similar.
@@JudoMateo scientology was just a scifi writers successful attempt to create a religion that would allow him to extort people of their money. He knew it was all bullshit
In the last video TIK was concerned that all these masterpieces will be lost when UA-cam pulls the plug. I think it's important that these videos are transcribed and printed to keep them as true artefacts. I am sure that the TIK-Tech community could arrange to do this or download and retain the videos on separate platforms.
I suggest putting them on hard drives and ssd drives.... but I'd ask tik first... 2025 could be a very stormy time for our society if you get what I mean
There's arweave, ipfs, storj, peertube, odysee, video tapes and audio tapes
Inshallah, we shall preserve TIKism.
Very true.
Archiving them should work
Well, TIK, I have come to your video by a recomendation from a brazilian booktuber. Using Eric Voegelin, Joachim of Flora, and the witings of Mein Kampf you made a tremendous and amazing work! Congratulations!!!!! Sometimes, when discussing about the failures about reasoning with socialists, I remind to colleagues "You're using the wrong key. You're trying to reason to someone who is a BELIEVER, deaf and blind to reason". And your video is incredibly direct to the center of the question.
Sorry to say this, but the information in this video has no basis in reality.
Yes, that's religion for you
I think that's the point of the video isn't it?
Hey Tik, here we go! ...
As a Catholic who studies theology as a hobby, I have a few comments off the top of my head, for the sake of CURIOSITY, that I might make to give you a taste of the Catholic worldview (which is substantially different from the Protestant view and, therefore, I hope that they do not get frustrated or start a long discussion on the merits of religion itself, as the focus is Gnosticism and nothing else), aiming for, and nothing else, to incite a light, as one cannot study theology without touching Gnosticism in some way or moment (and I am even grateful that you have brought into focus this problem that we, Catholics, have been fighting on for a long time, inside and outside the Church).
Over the centuries, the Church has waged a constant struggle against countless Gnostic heresies, each one putting on a cover and generally making use of either the old paganism and philosophies of distant origin from Greece, or the pagans who invaded Europe during the the Middle Ages or, and perhaps more relevantly today, a countless number of secret groups and sects from Renaissance onwards. It is worth mentioning that, as an exemple pointed out in your video, there was a number of theologians and other priests and bishops, especially as scholasticism decayed after Saint Thomas Aquinas, and came the Black Death and the Western schism (culminating in the deplorable 15th century), who were all certainly traitors to the doctrine of the Church that, later and together, many ended up literally schism on the Protestant Reformation. Anyway, it is not new that the Church is attacked from the outside and from within, as well as the West (the Freemasons, as mentioned in the video, waged a long fight to demolish the old order and especially its values, achieving great success). I think it's worth mentioning that a brief search on crappy Wikipedia will give to you a list of condemned heresies that have Gnosticism in their veins.
Gnosticism, which can be seen as man going by his strength and his knowledge to God, with human action at the center for his salvation (not needing grace or Divine forgiveness) tends, in my view, together with another cancer that is Nominalism (the killer of theology and classical philosophy), to create in man a fetishism for idolizing knowledge and with it manipulate all creation to either annihilate it (the Cathars are an example), or alter it to “evolve” (thus entering Millenarianism, another heresy!,) falling on the idea that man, like a machine, can be psychologically predicted, controlled and changeable by eugenics/transhumanism; falling into a determinism by excluding the ontological being of things; falling on ideas such as economic, social and even religious control; and falling on a progressive worldview, where everything that happens is “to a better world that is coming”, as if the perfection of life on earth was up to man himself to create it (man bringing paradise to earth), always through a revolution (today with subversion), which is a sudden and violent change of things, from which something better will come out of the carcass of the old (that is like killing and killing to create a world of good men)... In the case of socialism in its forms, I see Hegel as a screaming pivot of the gnostic vision cautiously applied to a philosophy already made with a dangerous matrix as it's base... Anyway, this is a gigantic topic that I am not qualified for and I also speak from the head, giving an opinion...
It is worth mentioning, as a detail, that Saint Augustine was especially a Manichaean (a type of syncretist Gnosticism (it seems that ALL Gnosticism is syncretist, because yes, it is a parasitic religion-philosophy)). And regarding his criticism of Saint John (and here comes the religious controversy!,) no Saint in the Church can be perfect. Saints make mistakes in theological (not doctrinal!) matters that are not serious, which is easily proven by observing all the theological discussion in the Middle Ages between them. Sainthood is correlated with one's morals, faith, and love, not knowledge. Furthermore, Saint Augustine was contemporary with the Church's discussions to form the Biblical canon, and there were, at that time, an enormous amount of discussion and trouble about it (including heretics such as the Gnostics themselves within the Church arguing the intrusion of a bunch of apocryphal books, which were a bunch of contradictory crap, in the New Testament).
I, personally, find it absurd to impute a heresy to Saint John (or even Saint Paul), both because of the action of the Holy Spirit in them (yes, I have faith) and because the former lived with Christ, listening to explanations directly from him. On the day of Pentecost, all the present disciples of Christ received the Holy Spirit and, therefore, knowledge and some divine interpretation (Acts 2.4 Including that “they spoke in other tongues.”) The problem is not in receiving information from God, since there are countless examples of important people in and out (by miracles) of the Bible who received something, even a single word (which constitutes “information”). Gnosticism is not just about information, but also about action to accomplish something supposedly prophesied. In no way does the Church try to accomplish with her own strength what is written in the Book of Revelation, and no one in their right mind should try to do so.
As it is common in all heresy, excerpts from the sacred scriptures are kidnapped to support a crazy belief, denying other beliefs in return and, if possible, using the prestige of saints, theologians and pastors of the Church. Then comes the question: If it is a problem of interpretation, how to verify if a Protestant pastor or a Catholic priest is Gnostic? The doctrine of the Church, supported by tradition and the later Bible, not by the mouth of a priest or a pope (who can say a lot of nonsense)... But if I follow this road, we’ll go outside the topic.
As I said, Tik (or any other patient reader), I just wanted to sum up my side. I still haven't watched the lecture that was recommended in this video (it's too long!,) and I won't give sources because this text shouldn't be taken seriously... I find it interesting for someone to touch on a subject as forgotten today as Gnosticism, as I have the impression that only half a dozen of traditional Catholics still remember that this curse of thought still exists… Anyway, sorry for the bad english.
As a Muslim I had no idea about any of this at all. All these historical events are very interesting.
Very interesting coment and I, as a Catholic, had no real idea about some of what you mentioned.
Absolutely amazing such tought provocking discussions happen in the comments of TIKs videos.
I am an Anglican, albeit one who flirted with other religions and became an atheist before returning to God over the last year or so (amusingly thanks to Dennis Prager, Ben Shapiro and Jordan Petersom).
I would add a bit of nuance and suggest that the various protestant denominations have, to varying degrees, been infiltrated by Gnosticism and there are plenty over here who've been fighting the same fight.
A perfect example was M.R. James, famous for writing ghost stories but in his day job specialised in Church History when he taught at Cambridge the generation before Tolkien was Oxford in a similar career.
I am however rather High Church, which aside from a few doctrinal differences is closer in world view to Roman Catholicism than to others, even other Anglicans.
They only statement I don't agree with is your apology for your English. It's better than many native speaker's.
Peace be with you
As an American Catholic, I thank you for taking the time to write such a comment.
@Garren yes but I left when I was 13 though. Did my name give it away? 😅
This was also discussed in Leftism: From DeSade to Marx, H;tler to Marcuse. Socialism may as well be another form of Gnosticism
It is definitely another form of Gnosticism.
@@TheImperatorKnight If I could make a suggestion, Orthodox Christian UA-camr Jay Dyer has excellent videos on theology and why Gnosticism is wrong.
And although Nietzsche never named Gnosticism, he did correctly link radical left movements with nihilistic spiritual worldviews
Kenalt-Ledin is an underrated author. I know I have not spelled it right.
@@SonofTiamat Interestingly, Aleksandr Dugin refers to orthodox Christianity as "gnostic/esoteric" because of its mystical undercurrent, Hesychasm.
Socialism, communism and the French revolution all come out from Rousseau.
Your videos on gnosticism and the dialectic of history are absolutely wonderful and I've enjoyed watching them very much. Although, I must point out a few inaccuracies that I noticed, particularly as it pertains to the relationship between gnosticism and Christianity (I'm too lazy to check if someone else has already pointed these out).
First, I think there may be some confusion at certain points as to whether you are talking about the Gospel of John, or the Book of Revelation (also called Apocalypse), which is also traditionally ascribed to John.
Second, in Voegelin's book (p. 109 in the print edition), he does not claim that St Augustine condemned the Book of Revelation wholly, but rather condemned the literal interpretation of a 1 000 year reign of Christ on Earth, which is today believed by a lot of Protestants who subscribe to the idea of the Rapture. Apocalyptic literature in both Judaism and early Christianity purposely employed a rather mystic style like this, but addressed issues that affected the community of the faithful in that particular time. So, on the face of it, Revelation appears to be gnostic, but the 1 000 year reign John describes is more likely referring to the time of the Church on earth before the Second Coming of Christ. Moreover, in the concluding parts of John's gospel, he stresses the bodily aspect of Christ's resurrection, something that early gnostic heretics denied, as they said the Resurrection only took place spiritually. Also, as far as I know, John never says anything about the serpent copulating with Eve, I think that's part of the gnostic Jewish Kabbalah.
Finally, while I do agree that gnosticism is parasitic and latched onto Christianity from its beginning, to suggest that St John and St Paul are gnostics would be to argue that gnosticism is an intrinsic part of Christianity by their writings being included in the canon, but this is simply false. Paul warned of the second coming, sure, but Christianity is far from intrinsically gnostic. The central claim of the religion is based on the public revelation of the person of Christ as opposed to secret knowledge given to a chosen few. Plus, Paul (whose letters were written before the gospels), was likely aware of gnostic teachings and condemned them in 1 Timothy and Titus. That's also not even mentioning St Irenaeus of Lyon and the Church's numerous condemnations of Freemasonry and modernism.
Another noteworthy point is that I think it's also important to differentiate between mysticism and gnosticism, because gnosticism is inherently mystical, but mysticism is not inherently gnostic. There is definitely a rich history of Christian mysticism (e.g., Augustine, Teresa of Avila, etc.), but while their beliefs were mystical, they were also in line with Catholic orthodoxy.
Not sure if you care about this, but just thought I'd mention it 🤷♂ Thanks again for the videos!
At the end of the day though, it is still a religion, which means it's still faith based fantasy
Thanks for making the long comment that needed to be made. I didn't really have time to do the Augustine history. Both John, in his gospel and in his lettters, and Paul in Colossians as well are very counter-gnostic. Even Revelation reads with a still physical Christ.
Thank you for articulating the point, neither John nor Paul were Gnostic, but taught Christ was fully Man and fully God, that Christ was resurrected physically as the first fruits of the coming resurrection, and that we would be raised spiritually and bodily. Paul especially was combating Gnostic heresy.
Otherwise I found TIK’s video very good, and I’ve been making the point about the current madness being Gnostic in nature to my elders and pastors, which they agree with.
@@AverageAlien everything is
@@bun197 no lol
Gnosticism actually finds its way into the church quite a bit. I frequently find myself reminding fellow Christians that we're Christians and not Gnostic. We believe in a God of spirit, who created the material world to be good and blessed. We believe in the Incarnation, when the God became man and in flesh walked among us. We believe in the Resurrection of th dead, where the physical body will be raised and reunited with the spiritual.
In the defense of Revelations: the book is very clearly against Gnosticism, as the main claim of the 1000 year old reign and many more, is that humans try to create heaven oj Earth and God crush them. Its not humans, who make God come down, and its not humans reaching out to God.
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Well yes, but thats not the fault of the text, which is explicitly anti-gnostic.
Niihilism is worst.
@@ladosdominik1506 because Gnosticism is evil and heretical
Revelations is about the real world eschaton, as was early Christianity generally(as inherited from apocalyptic Judaism and Zoroastrianism). Its only when that didnt happen that it gets reinterpreted
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Did you read the revelations?
Honestly, this is mind-opening. Color me mind blown. Thank you for explaning Tik.
Hopefully you can understand now Hitler's followers viewed him as though he was Jesus.
@@Alte.Kameraden yeah, holy shit.
@@clouds-rb9xt It's actually why the complement George Lincoln Rockwell gave Elijah Muhammad, calling him the "The Black People's Hitler" is quite serious.
@@Alte.Kameraden He was actually demon odin, Lord Alfred Milner was Thor.
TOTALLY Blown!
I would argue that Christianity, Judaism, and Islam do not worship the same God, since the Trinity is communal & Christ is incarnational.
Sounds interesting, not many other content creators talk about this topic!
I can understand why. I genuinely wanted to avoid talking about religion because I didn't want to step on any toes... However, I've realised that I have to do it because this is incredibly important. Once you realise what National Socialism is, it explains EVERYTHING. From the Volkssturm to Hitler's charisma, to why everyone seemed to be in a trance with him, to why nobody was thinking... It all makes sense.
@@TheImperatorKnight TIK Swastika is not HINDU its INDO EUROPEAN swastikas are present in ancient roman, greek, celtic and germanic art.
@@萬歳 Much older, the oldest ones are found everywhere in the Vinca culture which came before the Aryan invasion of India from Ukraine
because its a nothingburger.
@@TheImperatorKnight you should also cover the broader philosophy of the Nazis . A great text on this is Ominous Parrallels by Philosopher Leonard Peikoff
It should be noted that the swastika is not just a Hindu symbol. There have been swastikas found on Norse artifacts as well, and it has roots in pagan spirituality seemingly, though scholars don't appear to be certain as to what it meant to them. Norse Magic and Beliefs did a video covering that topic.
It also appears in Celtic and Native American art. Often it represents the wheel of the sun rolling across the sky.
It's a fairly basic symbol it's not surprising that cultures globally had their own version of it
What is pagan root?
@@Endrin911 obviously that which grows beneath the trunk of a pagan tree.
@@exileenthroned Best root beer you ever had
Yes ofcourse people are trans because they are religious...
It's an oxymoron; being trans and "judeochristian values" do NOT mix well!
@@YaBoiBaxter2024 It didn't sound like that, and if it is an oxymoron, what is it there to express ? I don't get it.
If it acts like a duck, walks like a duck, then it's probably a duck. It's clearly a religion.
I always felt that there was more to National Socialism as what we've been teached in schools and could read in books. This explains a lot!!
45 years ago--in college--we went through the concepts behind secret societies, mystery religions, Mesopotamian and Egyptian history and the prof took us through various writings spanning a time from roughly 1200 BC to the 1970s. I walked away from that semester with a new appreciation of the enlightenment as well as where these political ideologies come from.
What I found most interesting was that for the most part, no one in those movements is aware of any of this. In fact, they often attribute to open religions and societies these attributes of being "secret gnosis". In its most current form (wokeness), it goes even a step further and ascribes every act of every person from the mundane to the remarkable to this membership in the "evil" groups.
This is why the entire woke mindset is so appealing to the so called elites--it is a basis of power--and the hoi polloi because it gives them someone to blame for their own inadequacies.
For a true history scholar, one might study up on Nimrod...
I think you have a serious misunderstanding of what "woke" actually means. To quote Ryan Newman, Governor Desanstis' General Counsel during the Andrew Warren trial, woke simply means "the belief there are systemic injustices in American society and the need to address them."
You can agree or disagree with whether those who are "woke" are correct, I am not trying to debate it. But, in a nutshell, all it really means is that certain groups are systemically treated unjustly, not that one group is better or worse than another.
@@bludfyre Yes, they believe in systemic injustices, but their foundational core concepts come from post modernism, standpoint theory, critical theory, and the progressive stack. While they believe in systemic injustices they consciously omit class and wealth. That's because they are Gnostics, they are the enlightend ones guiding the masses, it matters not to them that they come from the wealthiest families and neighborhoods and the Racists and Oppressors, as they percieve them to be, come from the poorest neighborhoods.
@@bludfyre maybe thats what it was at some point, but it devolved into the proud hate of cis male whites, wich is not surprising as its more about resentment than justice. maybe it was infiltrated by the hermetics ; D
@bludfyre Charitably, that was the beginning of the word's wide usage. The "Why" that then stems from the groups and individuals constantly competing to "expose" the "truth" for why injustices (real or imagined) exist, more so than anyone else, then naturally comes into play. The subversions and evil can be seen as ALL hierarchies no matter what, biological limitations, showing up on time etc ("acting white"), latching on to preexisting or branching off ideologies in general (Marxism, various modernist and post-modernist "progressive" movements, etc.) and so on.
When you mention Nimrod are you talking about the giants, the nephilim and rafaim in the book of Og? If not you might enjoy that book. If so, then it's very weird that you should bring this up now as I only finished going through the book of Enoch, book of the giants and the book of Og recently.
TIK Swastika is not HINDU its INDO EUROPEAN swastikas are present in ancient roman, greek, celtic and germanic art.
The natives in North America also had swastikas in their artwork.
@@statenthusiast3382 so? We have our own words, and European swastikas are like twice older
No. There are swastikas on artifacts from the Indus Valley Civilization, which predated the Indo-Europeans and their arrival in India by thousands of years. And as another commenter mentioned, it’s also found independently in the Americas. Not an “Indo-European symbol” by any stretch. It’s more likely that the Indo-Europeans were the ones who adopted it, than the other way around
@@statenthusiast3382Sanskrit is one of the younger Indo European languages, which I found out when I read The Horse, The Wheel and Language.
The oldest known swastika is, I think, from around Kyiv.
@@statenthusiast3382 EVerything hindu exists because of Aryan invaders.
A dear friend and major influence on the views of Hitler was the antisemite Protestant HJ Chamberlain. *Chamberlain rejected Darwinism, evolution and social Darwinism - opinions which Hitler shared.* Chamberlain was the originator of the idea that the Aryans of old were the Germanic people. Chamberlain praised Hitler, gushing 'we still need him badly: May God who sent him to us preserve him for many years as a blessing for the German Fatherland! The Kingdom of God is within you."
Recently, I've asked a christian what exactly reality is.
He described it to me this way:
"reality, and especially matter, is the place from which god has stepped back."
to me, this sounds very inviting to gnostic thought, or even outright gnostic in nature.
Have to disagree.
National Socialism is a political creed.
And so is Communism.
National Socialism tolerated and even tried to integrate traditional Christianity.
No-one was ever punished for being a Christian in National Socialist Germany.
In the Soviet Union, however...
I'm in a sort of minority, an atheist conservative, sort of, I'm somewhere between conservative and libertarian, but I'm definitely an atheist and I'm definitely not on the left. It's very bizarre to see the overwhelming majority of atheists replace traditional religion with a creepy, cult like attachment to politics. It really makes no sense, "I believe in science, I'm too smart to believe in fairy tales like those dumb Christians, but also, men can be women and socialism will definitely work this time."
Gender is a social construct.
To be fair, I think the vast majority of them don't realise they've fallen for the Gnostic faith. I certainly didn't realise it was Gnosticism until recently, and when I was a Socialist I would never have considered it to have been a religion. But obviously I now see it for what it is.
@@TheImperatorKnight true, and there's also a lot of grey area between the completely insane far lefties, and the "liberal by default" types that just haven't really given a whole lot of thought to religion or politics.
Atheists rejected God and, as a group, rejected the notion of an external arbiter of truth/morality. For most this was never a rational position, but a "liberating" one. They wanted to be "freed" from the constraints of objective morality to pursue the impulses of the flesh. If it feels good, do it.
You can see this carried forward from the sexual revolution through homosexuality and now into transgenderism. The logic underpinning this has remained constant. If there is an animal impulse it must not be constrained - it is your true self. The shackles of religion and its "morality" are the true evil in the world. Being rid of the shackles brings you closer to the 'truth'.
You can see this constantly in the verbiage used "being true to oneself" "being one's true self" "expressing one's self. Its also why this same group is patently biased and ray shist. They hold the behavior a person understakes is an expression of their self - so things like black culture are an expression of being black. Its intrinsic to the existence. If you are not behaving in the "appropriate" manner for that type of person then you are a lying, self denying, sinner.
I've always thought it unwise to use the atheist label for the reasons you mention. I think you should just play along with the Christians (or whatever valid religion is dominant where you live). I define a "valid" religion as: A religion that directs you to engage in behavior that you are naturally supposed to do anyway, and doesn't encourage behavior that is destructive. Encouraging behavior that is odd, but not harmful (Kosher/halal dietary restrictions for example) doesn't invalidate the religion.
People are gonna fall for something, so just go along with the least harmful thing.
swastika is not from hinduism its an aryan simbol litterally used by indo-europeans aka aryans
It's origins trace all the way back to the Sanskrit language, being originally spelled "svastika"
@@bobgatewood5277 look like this bot is mass replying this disinfo to any mention of the swastika lmao. it traces back to 12,000 yrs ago in ukraine, just a tad older than sanskrit, which is an indo-aryan offshoot language anyways, but nice try.
@@bobgatewood5277 Sanskrit is an indo european language ☠☠☠
You know nothing about gnosticism, that is the reason those secrets were hidden, you won't understand
The swastika isn't Hindu. The church Hitler went to as a child had swastikas all over it. The swastika is a Indo European symbol. The oldest swastika was found in Ukraine
Oldest closest to it’s current-appearance is found in Iran in a 8000 year old gold necklace. it’s the symbol of the god mithra the sun and war god of the Iranians.
@@godscroissant1539 nope Ukraine is 12000 years old and it's almost the exact same
@@godscroissant1539 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika#:~:text=According%20to%20Joseph%20Campbell%2C%20the,%2C%20found%20in%20Mezine%2C%20Ukraine.
I cannot stress more how important these videos about the various forms of socialism are, in this time we're living in.
You're an invaluable resource.
Socialists are socialist because they don't understand socialism. The rest of us aren't socialist, because we do understand socialism.
@@markzuckergecko621 What's wrong with the government providing services with the tax money it brings in?
@@soulknife20 ah, so now socialism is when taxes, when that argument is convenient?
@@markzuckergecko621 What? I feel like there's some words missing
@@soulknife20 what’s wrong with drinking alcohol if it makes you feel good?
So many error in this, especially Gnosticism in the New Testament.
Yeah I was thinking that
i think you might be misinterpreting that mein kampf quote about self-censorship. hes saying that not everything you read is useful, but people who are so consumed with reading end up disconnecting themselves from reality because they are incapable of identifying what is worth preserving in their quest for knowledge. the act of reading is that quest, but it often falls short when you lose sense of the real world happening outside your window.
Yes. This guy twists and misinterprets many things.
@@weaponxiv9701no one is immune to this nor perfect. Otherwise we’d all be following the intellectual messiah
@weaponxiv9701 no he doesn't and he also list exact sources and tries to take his interpretation out of it. So you're lying.
@@mrsentencename7334 we do. his name is socrates. youll find thousand of inspirational quotes attributed to him claiming employing your time reading others writings is how to best effect your time.
well poisoning. never said it. churchill did though. the only way to understanding is through elenchus. through dialogue, CRITICISM. without it, your accumulation of read words amounts to practically nothing. its only a part of the whole to compile information. but if you cant test that information youll never reach understanding or gnosis (the greek kind, not the meme kind). its the entire foundation of the socratic theory and the renamed christian certified pagan free knockoff 2000 years later called the scientific theory.
Wow TIK, this is incredible. I really think you should look at this in more detail and bring us a docuseries about this topic, it is complex and i think it deserves it. I'm sure we, your viewers, will love it. Love your work
The desperate attempt by revolting communists like James Lindsay to mischaracterize atheist communist ideology as religiosity continues.
'woke' is communist ideology [neo-Marxism/cultural-Marxism-a Western form of Maoism that is using cultural subversion on a massive scale to deconstruct and annihilate Western civilization]. James Lindsay wants people to believe that this is Gnosticism. He certainly has TIKhistory fooled.
But why would atheist communists desperately want people to believe that 'woke' [neo-Marxism/cultural-Marxism] is a form of Christianity?
Nowhere in Scripture does John preach the false doctrine of the serpent having sexual relations with Eve. And when Paul warned about false doctrine and false teachings creeping into the church, he was talking about the gnostics. Neither Paul nor John were gnostics and preached none of its doctrine.
Btw: Great presentation. I always sensed a certain religiosity about National Socialism, and this video provides the insights that elucidate that idea. I'm looking forward to future videos on the topic.
His sources also seem to confuse the Gospel of John with Revelation.
@@goldenraptor7 Revelation was actually written by John as told to him by Christ, so it would be proper to count Revelation among the writings of John.
@@patricksachs3655 So why claim all the writings of John show gnosticism? He could say "the writings of John" instead of just "John," which most people take to mean the Gospel.
@@goldenraptor7 You would have to ask him why he claimed that. My point is that it is a false claim.
ALL doctrine, especially of religious or political kind, is false and often deadly in its consequences. Even western liberalism.
Gnosticism is one of the oldest heresies confronted by the Christian church.
I remember being a 4th year IR/PoliSci major taking an entry level world religion class and going completely overboard when our first assignment was writing 1-2 pages with the prompt "what is a religion?". It proved to be a far less simple task than it seemed and i ended up struggling to cut parts out and shorten ideas because i couldn't provide an answer I was satisfied with in anything under 6 pages, and even then I felt like I could have blown past 10 pages and still not feel like it was adequate. The biggest problem is that a definition of religion will either be very restrictive and leave out things that are widely accepted as religions (some don't have gods, some don't have a creation myth, some don't have unified belief, don't have spiritual hierarchy, don't have prayer etc. etc.) and especially once you start looking into something like Confucianism as a religion, the floodgates open. You start realizing that almost any political issue, party, movement, etc can start to display religious properties that become more pronounced the more people's convictions about it grow stronger. If people can become so dedicated to a political idea that they evangelize it's 'truth' to non believers and would be willing to die for it, no matter how rational or nonsensical the idea is, to them, even if they don't realize it, it has become a religion for them. It's a very hard idea to put boundaries on, but it seems so reliant on individual belief that just about any idea could potentially become part of a religion if someone makes it one.
Well, it meant to connect the lower (earth, living) with the higher (god, gods, afterlife). Religio means to connect.
@Bob Berger religion is a human culture thing, differebt people, different customs. Sure there are paralells, bu even in the three major Abrahamic religions, can't be considered 'same'. People world wide found religions that fitted with their time and culture.
And yet you've managed to do so quite well here! Good job, sir.
Acording to sjws "everything i don't like is a cult , everything i like is the truth"
@@j.2512 “Christianity bad, Judaism and Islam good (unless they disagree with me)”
You are the professor I always wished for but never had. It’s insane this content is free. Never stop broadening our horizon. Thank You.
It truly , I have learned more from people on UA-cam tha. High school and college.
Truly a sad fact that many of us simply lack access to foundational texts from which to draw our own conclusions. How can you possibly start learning about a deep subject without foreknowledge of its existence?
He's a compulsive liar. Pretending the swastika is a Hindu symbol should be your biggest clue - there's no way he's clueless about that. He's straight up lying there and being a disinfo artist. Never trust someone who acts so smug.
Great video, Tik, but I really have to disagree with you on implying that John was a gnostic. John fought against the early gnostics that were trying to claim that Jesus was a spirit and didn't have a physical body
Same with Paul. Paul was even more explicitly antignostic, stressing that Christ's resurrection was physical.
In fact, it is the various gnostic ideas that has been behind so many of the heretical movements that the church has had to fight against.
Yeah. This has been a long battle. Seems to obviously be tied to fallen human nature. Self-absorbently trying to arrogantly get around or "become" God through mere human will.
Yeah I agree, John was no Gnostic. But I wouldn't surprised if some of the apostles were tempted by the Gnostic ideas floating around.
@@robertortiz-wilson1588 I don't see how that correlates with our supposed "fallen nature"
@@miguelatkinson Biblical Tradition saying that man first broke the perfect covenant with God by deciding they wanted to try and be God. It’s a human trait that then seems to manifest through the centuries to this day. Which is what I meant. Then one can debate if this also manifested in a biological desire to domain and control vs how much of that is a response to living in a fallen world full of danger, etc.
Nothing is solid. Everything is vibrating.
Dialectical materialism
Hitler was quarter Jewish. And he didn't borrow the swastika from the Hindus or any other culture. These symbols are all over the place on many geological discoveries of our ancestors. You can find this symbol almost everywhere in old Scandinavia and Germania Magna.
22:40 was when all the pieces fell into place for me. Looking back to when I was at catholic school and religious I was quite confused. The amount of sense this made is incredible.
Return to the Church brother.
@Lolek080195 christianity isnt real. The existence of the council of nicea logically disproves any pretensions any bible has to being the true word of god
@@low_vibration Cope and seethe. We can only thank the Church for what it gave us in its works. And Nicean creed is beautiful and true.
@@low_vibration what do you think happened at the council?
@@madgamer44x they wrote the Christian bible
St John and st Paul weren’t Gnostics that’s ridiculous. The early apostles fought against Proto Gnosticism. Just bc you read something that you think sounds gnostic bc Gnostics misinterpret the verse doesn’t mean it’s gnostic. Also at Augustine called the book of revelation Scripture and was written by the apostle John. He was for the book of revelation not against it. You didn’t even give a full quote just two words no context. I’m sorry but this channel just lost its credibility.
I mean it's a year later but if you just bothered to do a quick google, you would find that most scholars do indeed lump Paul and John with the gnostics. Take your bias and ego out of things
@@TheGorillamilitia
I believe assertions of “bias and ego” from you are in this case both narcissistic projection and a thought-terminating cliche.
Colossians 2:9
That is not Gnosticism.
As to scholars?
1 Corinthians 3:19.
A quick Google search with verify that.
Take your bias and ego out of things .
To truly understand hitler and national socialism do not pay any attention do not listen to tik.
Just remember who created Gnosticism...
You look a lot better/healthier for taking that break from the Stalingrad series. You obviously know better than I do, but it seems to me (in my limited Stalingrad knowledge) that you have done enough on that series. I’m sure there are several final events needed to wrap a nice bow around it but you do look so much healthier and more energetic and enthusiastic. Your content is awesome and very informative. Don’t listen to the haters. You do you in good faith and with positivity and let the vocal few haters do them and ignore their negativity. By acknowledging and responding you play in to their hope for justification and acknowledgement of their beliefs and messages. Kept up the good work TIK!!
Thank you TIK for another extremely interesting and fascinating video on a topic that you do not hear about from mainstream historians.
Your five hour video on “ Hitler was a Socialist “ and the follow up videos were excellent. I referred my mother to them as she is currently in the process of obtaining a history degree now that she is retired.
Thank you 😊
I think they used the swastica to tie themselves to something ancient, pre Hindu. A town I grew up in has swasticas on some of the buildings. The buildings are pre WW2. They were put there because the Navajo were using them. So if you believe Native American tribes arrived in North America 10k years ago, then the implication is that the symbology is REALLY old and we don’t know what it originally meant…maybe something like yin-yang?
It is a common Human symbols of the sun. H;tler's inspiration was the ancient German Fylfot/Hooked cross, the cells have the sunwheel and triskelion, slavs have the kolovrat, romans have Swastika, and so on, so forth. A natural phenomena and a centerpiece to Ancient faiths, as all folks worshipped the sun.
Thus, a dual meaning for the NSDAP, a Germanic symbol, and a symbol of the light in the darkness. (Uniting the world's races for the goal of NS)
I learned SO much watching your video. Wow. I am a Muslim and have always been curious/unnerved/unsettled by this tendency which you taught me is gnostic. You just earned a new subscriber. Thank you for your work and wisdom, and the patience which you demonstrated while describing complicated history. Going to watch more of you videos now. God bless.
As a muslim you surely will be delighted to learn that Islam's core beliefs about Jesus are themselves derived from syriac gnostic sects of nestorian christianity.
The most striking exemple being the deeply gnostic belief that Jesus didn't die on the cross but instead was raised to heaven by God without dying.
Thus abandonning the material world and ascending to God by transcending his material flesh. Which is gnosticism 101, and an idea found in the Quran itself, the (supposed) word of Allah.
The details regarding Jesus - a prophet but not a core icon of Islam - are unimportant. I respect him and pray for him, but I do not believe you're drinking "his blood" or consuming "his flesh" as Christians do. Muslims do not spend their lives dwelling on this. I am content and nourished by my faith. You seem to be sneering, oddly enough. Is it coming from a secular wound or a Christian gash or, perhaps unsurprising, a Judaic resentment? If none of those, I am not interested in the ramblings of a nobody.@@remilenoir1271
@@remilenoir1271Allah doesn't exist and Muhammed rxped aisha
Ancient pagan philosopher Plotinus also commented on the Gnostics, being highly critical of them, in his book "Against the Gnostics".
He accused them of taking pagan terms and concepts and corrupting them in a disgraceful profane way. Because for Plotinus the Creator (Demiurge) entity who is conflated with Zeus / Jupiter, is benevolent instead of evil, and the world isn't evil in on itself because it was made to be evil by an evil entity, but people decide to make it evil by being evil themselves, which is being away from divinity.
You're take on St Augustin is completly wrong. He never said the book of apocalypse was fables, he was talking about chiliasm i.e millenarism (taking the 1000 years of peace literary). Same thing with the ludicrous ideas that St John and St Paul were gnostics, no substance here. You can't rely on Voegelin a politist, to understand theological matters. I can't take the rest of your argument seriously after such a big mistake....
He´s like a small child. He has learned a new concept and tries to apply it to everything, ignoring the obvious differences.
In this video he has not consulted primary sources. He has relied on second-hand sources and has not bothered to check what is said in them. All with the aim of lumping Hegel, Marx and Hitler together (looking for a common heritage).
To say that all divine revelation is gnoticism is one of the biggest crock of shit I have ever heard. If that were so, all Abrahamic religions would be gnostic.
I have to say I would not have expected this exploration of gnosticism from TIK, who was one of my military history subscriptions years ago. He just burst unexpectedly into another area of my interests. Yet it makes sense because we want to understand what drove people to do the things they did in war, to understand the impact of their ideas on events and motivation, to try to get inside their imagination. That's always a dangerous endeavour because the risk you run is simply projecting all your own stuff on to others and claiming you understand them or seeing peripheral similarities between different movements and ideologies that really don't mean that much. Then the labels you give them start obscuring things more than illuminating them. But there is the common stuff of our shared humanity in this and I suspect he's on to something real. I was made to read Eric Voeglin decades ago by Prof. Tom Langan. I have to say that reading it now is a brutal reminder that the younger me didn't have the imagination to be able to appreciate what I was reading then. I think that growing in empathy and humility have really helped me to better understand and appreciate the past. And for me those are not primarily intellectual virtues.
The desperate attempt by revolting communists like James Lindsay to mischaracterize atheist communist ideology as religiosity continues.
'woke' is communist ideology [neo-Marxism/cultural-Marxism-a Western form of Maoism that is using cultural subversion on a massive scale to deconstruct and annihilate Western civilization]. James Lindsay wants people to believe that this is Gnosticism. He certainly has TIKhistory fooled.
But why would atheist communists desperately want people to believe that 'woke' [neo-Marxism/cultural-Marxism] is a form of Christianity?
empathy and humility are the great grand-mothers and fathers of intelectual virtues
So when atheist Maoists in China were doing their cultural revolution [very similar to what is now happening in the West], did you have atheist 'ex-Maoists' trying to convince the ultra-gullible that what was happening in China was...Gnosticism?
@@bostonrob360 well said
Because Gnostics adhered to concepts written in John's Epistle does not mean that it was influenced BY Gnostics. Moreover, the redemption of mankind through Christ Jesus's death and resurrection is found throughout the New Testament, therefore, it is silly to say that the idea of that came because of Gnostic ideology. If so, then one would have to conclude that ALL of Christian doctrine is "Gnostic."
Moreover, it isn't the writings of John in the New Testament that say Eve "made out" with the serpent, but rather it is found in the *Apocryphon of John,* which was written BY Gnostics in the Second Century AD. This is what Eric Voegelin is talking about when he speaks of any links between St. John and Gnosticism. The *Apocalypse of John* is a different matter altogether. Nowhere in it does it speak of Eve or the serpent. There is an inference to Mary and a dragon (satan), but not Eve and the serpent.
The Apocalypse of John (aka The Revelation of John) speaks of an ending of the "age of man" when Satan will try to stamp out all of God's influence in the world, a bewildering number of Saints will be martyred for their faith, and Christ himself will return to set everything right once again, a return that the entirety of mankind will witness as it occurs, explained clearly in Matthew 24: 23-27, *23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25 Behold, I have told you before. 26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. 27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.*
Also, it says in the Apocalypse of John 1: 7, "Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him, and all tribes of the earth will wail on account of him. Even so. Amen." (In other words, the "second coming" will not be a secret, private affair. Everyone will know it's happening all at the same time)
The Gospel of John, John's three letters to the early church preaching AGAINST Gnostic heresy, and the Apocalypse of John have nothing to do with "Gnostic influences" that crept into the Christian scriptures. Anything that Gnostic writers wrote in support of anything John wrote also denies the heart and context of what he wrote, which is like Hitler trying to look "Christian" while being in complete conflict with Christ himself.
All three form of socialism, communism, fascism and nazzism, have utopian elements in them. As such they all have strong religious connotations. Even their hierarchical structure resembles religious principles, particularly in Catholic church. This is probably why so many catholic prists are ideologically on the left spectrum of politics.
As a christian who has studied church history, I have always seen some gnostic elements in National Socialism. This is truly a very interesting topic. Thanks for the great video. And btw, not all christians believe that Christ will reign on earth for a 1000 years. Many such as myself who are amillenial believe the 1000 years to be symbolic of eternity, so we see the 1000 years as Heaven. Eternity with God. I don't agree the Bible itrself includes gnosticism, but it was a plague in early christianity and most early church fathers devoted themselves to refuting them.
I really am not impressed by how he seems to confuse the Gospel of John with Revelation. Anything in the NT that shows Christ having a body is meant to counter gnosticism. How can someone research books mentioning the Bible without ever touching the Bible itself?
Right, the book of 1John was explicitly written to counter the gnostics as it makes clear that Jesus came in the flesh (God coming in the flesh sounds blasphemous to gnostics) and you can have ‘knowledge’ of your salvation through Christ.
That thumbnail is pure gold 😂
My long form term paper at university for “political theory” tackled the very issue you discuss here & given the eponymous title of “Hegelian Gnosticism & Nazi Germany”. My claim turned only slightly fewer heads than arguing Hitler was a socialist of the left on the political spectrum. You did a great job here in this video and included Eric Voeglin’s seminal work on thrbd
I feel like that quote on Hitler taking what was useful out of books can also be interpreted differently though, rather than self-censorship as him just picking out what he finds useful to remember or something.
As a Christian I find this very interesting although I have a small problem with John being labeled a gnostic.
If John was a gnostic. If so then we would have to label all of the prophets: Isaiah, Ezekiel, Nathan, Jonah etc. as gnostic even though their prophecy has come to pass. Even Jesus prophesied saying the second temple would be annihilated. It doesn’t make sense for Martin Luther to have only removed Revelation and a few others, he would have to had removed the whole bible.
Because revelation wasn't deem heretical and nonsensical by the early church go search the history of revelation and see what am saying
Ahhh, when a depressing Monday becomes a Friday afternoon/ Thank you TIK!
When you boil it down, the world ice theory melts away
"A Satanist won't listen to a Christian"...
That isn't necessarily true. I can only really speak about myself in this regard, but there are plenty of Christian authors and speakers that I have no issue taking information from. My line is only drawn on the religion. As a Satanist, I take great pride in being knowledgeable, and discounting people solely on their religious beliefs is extremely stifling to that quest for knowledge.
I dunno. This feels like the 1930's equivalent of searching through Hitler's Google history, seeing he clicked on a couple of anime links and thus concluding he was a major weeb. (Disclosure: I like Tik's willingness to take unpopular stances. I just think the Nazi occultism-adjacent topics go too far in conflating a taste for certain aesthetics with defining belief systems).
I dunno man, you want to dig into a few more videos like his one with Himmler in the thumbnail.
I would have to say that I am not convinced by this one. I am currently a history and religious studies double major and have learned about the gnostics before, especially in regards to early Christianity and the Nag Hammadi codices and so on. It seems evident that 'gnostic' was never a label for an actual religion, but a label for a massively diverse group of weird occult-ish mystic types including those that were considered heretics, those that weren't, and everywhere in between, such as Origen. That's why the Bauer thesis ('modern Christianity is just the ancient denomination that won politically against the gnostics') fails, because there is zero evidence that the gnostics were ever unified at all in any organization or theology (even the Nag Hammadi codices were probably owned by Pachomian monks, who weren't heretical). The gnostics definitely existed as how you speak of them, but they were extremely marginal, on a wide gradient, and didn't have any agreed upon ideas. I think it would be possible to consider that Hitler, Stalin, Marx, and so on received the intellectual strands of gnosticism in postmodernism and the remnants of historical theory that you discuss, but to say that they were all explicitly in the gnostic 'religion' I think is too far of a jump. Perhaps they had such a 'mindset' of believing they had the completely correct worldview, but it seems perfectly possible to me from the quotes you supplied that Hitler was simply speaking in religious metaphors as a means of getting across big ideas in a fancy way. Even if he didn't believe in God, using Biblical archetypes to exaggerate things to the highest possible degree, and in a reference that all his listeners would understand, seems realistic. .. Anyways, thanks for the great videos!
I for one can't wait for his videos on 'The masonic origins of American constitution', 'The role of B'nai B'rith in staging the Russian revolution' or 'Why Russian and American gnosticism were superior to German gnosticism in WW2'. It takes at least a year of research into the topic to start getting even basic things right so he should probably back out and stick to tanks rather than devolve into ancient aliens tier content meanwhile.
As for Hitler's belief in God, he for example often refers to Providence as in opportunities presented by circumstance so I believe he either he had a very nebulous personal concept of god or indeed used it mostly as a rhetorical device. National socialism itself was an amalgamation of germanic pagan and christian tradition through a Nietzschean lens, basically everything (including economy and ideology) was to be ultimately utilitarian in order to uplift the volk.
But he didn’t really say NS, Marxism etc are the same religion he said they are all branches of the same religious tradition which all hate eachother (similar to religious denominations these days). I think he’s more pointing out that they come from a common ancestor which is that unnamed religion which we have just labelled gnosticism/hermieticism as they are the most overt branches of it.
Agreed, he seems to be a bit out of his depth talking about ancient history. It's possible to know a lot about modern history but when you go back that early there is far less data available. For example information about various heretical groups only comes from their enemies. Definitely a mistake to stridently call one of the apostles a Gnostic, that seems obviously untrue and the evidence is... Augustine maybe?
@@deaconmacdonald2570 yeah he's just talking about it in a really messy way. He basically says that gnosticism is a religious tradition which is... Somewhat true yeah. The thing about it is that it's still more of a common cognitive trap than a 100% tradition.
The desperate attempt by revolting communists like James Lindsay to mischaracterize atheist communist ideology as religiosity continues.
'woke' is communist ideology [neo-Marxism/cultural-Marxism-a Western form of Maoism that is using cultural subversion on a massive scale to deconstruct and annihilate Western civilization]. James Lindsay wants people to believe that this is Gnosticism. He certainly has TIKhistory fooled.
Who are your critics? I want to listen to their arguments, because I haven't decided that you are right.
Hitler hated the Jews because Judaism is Gnostic (in terms of knowing “the truth”) themselves. Be interesting if you tried to break down this connection. There are reasons that many communists previously, and now “wokists” and transhumanists are disproportionately of ethnic Jewish background, and one is that even secular jews have not abandoned their ancestral esoteric beliefs, they have only realigned them with these modern forms.
There are different groups of gnostics, just as there are different groups of the Abrahamic religion. But I agree that modern jews are gnostic rather than what used to be jewish.
The use of the 'hindu' swastika, and the choice to use it by Hitler was unrelated to Hinduism entirely. The 'Hakenkreuz' was in use in ancient European art quite a lot too well before Hitler used it as his movements symbol. Also I recommend a book called 'In His Own Words: The Essential Speeches of Adolf Hitler.' While the publishing company is quite sketchy, it provides a good, easy-to-access record of his speeches from different periods of his career. It is also impartial, for the most part.
I think we have to thank Heinrich Schliemann (he also discovered the city of Troy) for introducing the Swasitka to Germany.
Oh, Shliemann.
The Swastika in all its orientations is one of the easiest ornaments one can draw, give a 3 year old a pen and paper and he or she will eventually draw a swastika. Many people, among them the Samnites and the Celts, loved painting, carving or embossing it on lots of their stuff... The failed painter might as well have appropriated a spiral for his nonsense.
@@mnk9073 this is where the 'hakenkreuz' hooked cross term comes from. Similar to the very simple 'celtic cross' or the celtic swirl version of the 'swastika/hooked cross'
TIK bro, the Jewish God is not the Christian God, that makes no sense. As a former religious Jew and now an Orthodox Christian, whilst we both use the old testament and yes, can call God "Yahweh" in Hebrew, the Christian God is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit as the Trinity. The Jewish God is not this and therefore is different. The Jewish and Islamic God is the same, but not the Christian God. Please talk to Orthodox Jews about this and they will agree with me.
It's the Christians making that claim.
Why would they care about what the jews or muslims think ?
Speaking as a Master Mason, I feel it is necessary to add a slight correction to the record here. Freemasonry has, in fact, never actually made the claim to be 'in possession of secret knowledge' of any kind. This claim, has been attributed to us by people who don't like us; mostly by the Catholic Church, who regards all of us as heretics.
Yes, in Masonry, we do have actual secrets, but like in every fraternity, all of those secrets have to do with how we tell a Mason from a non-Mason, how we tell an Apprentice from a Master, and how we conduct basic lodge business. As long as one believes in a Supreme Being and the immortality of the soul, any man from any faith is welcome to become a Mason; however I would caution especially Catholics to think long and hard about it, as joining will likely get you in hot water with the Vatican.
If you were to come to me stating that you have discovered Masonic secrets without being a Mason, I would simply give you a gold star for knowing how to use Google and offer you a beer.
It is always interesting to me that the one source no one ever goes to for information on Freemasonry is actual Masons...
Your God is satan.
If you are a honest mason, can you tell me about the lodges operating in the province of Mantua (Italy) and their links to 'ndragheta? You'd be of great help to catch a couple of politicians-turned-killers
@@Sleepdriver1984 Apologies but that is not something any American Masons would be party to. Lodges in different countries operate autonomously. I would suggest you talk to the Grand Lodge that has jurisdiction over that region of Italy.
@@Otaku155 we have 4 or five obediences and let's just say (I can't disclose my sources or they'll be in danger for life) that the master of the most numerous one is actively covering some criminals, so he cannot be asked...have you by chance contacts with someone else trustworthy here?
@@Sleepdriver1984 nope, sorry
Wrong. Hitler was and remained a lifelong devout catholic. As he told General Gerhard Engel, "I am now as before a Roman Catholic, and I shall always remain so."
Generally the thing is, this is not a hot take, it's probably one of the coldest takes possible as connections between Marxism, Hegelianism and gnosticism are all pretty much well researched.
“A surprise, to be sure, but a welcome one.”
Thank you for this video TIK. I hope more people start talking about Gnosticism and its relatives. This line of thinking is on the rise in the West and it should not go unnoticed.
Although I find it notable for you to dig this deep through the relations of national Socialism and Gnosticism, I have some problems with this video.
Firstly, I find it difficult for me to call Gnosticism a religion. I think it's undeniably a form of spiritual knowledge and beliefs but I think it's a bit outstreching concepts to call it a religion in the same sense that christianity, judaism or islam are, basically social institutions, centrally organized, which I don't think is the case with Gnosticism.
Also, when you say gnostics infiltrate other religions and corrupt them, do you mean to say those religions are only corrupt due to the influence of gnostics? I certainly hope not.
And, for last, and making the assumption that you care, I think you should avoid too much dramatization when reading quotes, mainly the Hitler ones. It sounded a bit too much 'Darth Vaderic', if you allow me the neologism.
He feels he has to satanize Hitler to stay in UA-cam's good graces. Serge Brin and Larry Page own YT.
I still say Gnostic philosophy is just a more articulate version of autistic screeching.
Don't worry, this is just to make clear something you brought up =]
The reason why Gnosticism is seen as heretical - even with Augustine and such =] - is that God created the heavens and the earth and call it good and created Man and call it very good. The material is a creation of God and should be honoured as such. The issue is when you make the material way more than what it is supposed to be and especially when it runs contrary to God. That's the nutshell version =]
This subject seems to be one that few attempt to delve into. I really like the fact that you aren't afraid to address the topic of the occult and such related topics. I'd love to see more videos regarding forms of occultism, what you think of them, and their impact upon history as well as the present day.
Your Stalingrad series is simply amazing, I swear I'll be telling people to watch it for a long time to come. You're the real deal TIK.
The desperate attempt by revolting communists like James Lindsay to mischaracterize atheist communist ideology as religiosity continues.
'woke' is communist ideology [neo-Marxism/cultural-Marxism-a Western form of Maoism that is using cultural subversion on a massive scale to deconstruct and annihilate Western civilization]. James Lindsay wants people to believe that this is Gnosticism. He certainly has TIKhistory fooled.
But why would atheist communists desperately want people to believe that 'woke' [neo-Marxism/cultural-Marxism] is a form of Christianity?
I don't think Hitler was religious. Anytime he would invoke Jesus or anything about God or Christianity, was basically an effort to use religion to influence or control his religious constituents. I don't know if he was agnostic or atheist either, but he was apparently, very superstitious...
He was very attached to the figure of Mary. He was a christian believer, not an atheist.
@@alleygh0st Most atheists are believers in socialism and the welfare state, just like Hitler.
@@krzysztofm.7085Rediculous take.
I think the real problem with the book of revelation is that it supposedly predicts a thousand year reign when it really just uses symbolic language to say that the church will endure even after the persecutions under emperor Nero. Like most apocalyptic writings it uses extremely colorful language to comment on current events like a very very massive meme
I heard of all of those... over 20 years ago, when the internet was beginning, there were a lot of personal pages about Gnosticism and Hermetism. I thought these religions were well known by anyone that is interested in history and religions.
As I watched this I started thinking of a video from another UA-camr, Crecganford, and his video of the earliest creation myths that gave rise to the Indo-European Gods. Particularly, the creation myths often involved twin brothers and a cow that symbolize the first king, the first priest, and the first sacrifice. And more importantly, the number 3 springs to mind as this triangle of spirituality continues on till the present. And then one realizes, that these gnostic religions have existed amongst humanity since even before we first started telling stories around the campfires of the Russian Steppes, 10's of thousands of years ago.
If I was to hazard a guess, I'd say these early religions were based around justifying the powers of elites. As these religions died out and were replaced, the ideas behind them didn't die but were transformed to fit the current narrative and attempt to use it to take back power. That's why it never dies out but also seems to change almost completely. The basic ideas remains but the framing changes to match the current era. Which given the state of the modern world is pretty disturbing.
I'm not well versed in Gnosticism yet, still doing my reading, but I can already disprove some claims. First - Gnosticism is individualistic, which doesn't really combine with collectivist ideas such as communism or nationalism. Second - Gnostics were always prosecuted by the state, by those in power (probably because Gnostcism actually encouraged the individual to study spirituality rather then trusting priests - religious "experts", who were telling everyone that submission to the state and to the group is God's will and integral part of the Cosmos). You've decided not to mention how Cathars ended - they were all brutally murdered - along with non-Cathars who were living with them in their city - meaning implementing collective punishment, creating that famous quote "Kill them. The Lord knows those that are his own". I think the reason why Gnostic ideas always resurface throughout the history - from Persia and Greek Alexandria to Carl Jung, among people that didn't know each other and never even read gnostic gospels (that were found only in 20-s century) - is a sign that this ideas are correct. And third - modern woke collectivists are literally worshipping "Mother Nature" and indulge in body-centric degeneracies like casual sex and building their whole identity around their sexuality (which is also a group identity) - which means they are worshipping Demiurge. And don't get me started on hylics and modern "support the current thing" NPCs!
34:47 how does that dispel the idea that Hitler was a Christian? Plenty of Christians say that same garbage all of the time (at least here in the United States). I used to be a Christian; that sort of language/sentence/quote would have seemed normal to me.
Given the way anime pfps react when you criticize mustache man, or point out the fact the NSDAP was leftwing, yes, it is like a religion
The National Socialists clashed with their own traditional Christian members when Aktion T4 was first issued, and Hitler expressed his dismay at the "anti-science" and "backward" reaction that forced a pause in the program. He even said that the party should avoid a clash with the "dying" old churches as history is on the side of science and progress anyway. Similarly, when Lenin took over in the USSR, he fostered the "Living Church" to oppose the Orthodox Russian Church and promote Marxist ideas among believers, in addition to outright oppression that is. In the US, the Left also promotes "progressive" churches to advance their agendas. So, the German experience is not unique nor paradoxical. Hitler may have been a Catholic by habit, but he was not unlike many current Catholic leaders in the West who hold on to the label and embrace ideas that are anathema to actual Catholic doctrine if not outright hostile to it.
70% of the SS was Christian, and 95% of Germany was Christian. And according to Hans Schmidt, 2,000 churches were opened in Germany from 1933-1944. As well in the SS handbook, "Are we fighting the church?
“This reproach has always been made against us by internal enemies together with the first; that is what our external enemies accuse us of today in the most spiteful way. The Fuhrer has emphasized infinitely that the Church and its priests always enjoy the protection of the state provided that they are dedicated exclusively to pastoral care and do not contravene the political will of the people. Too often and too gladly, the confrontation of the individual with an old doctrine is equated with "state tolerated" attacks against the church. Basically, it can be said that at all times and for all peoples there were upheavals in the religious field; one will not want to deny the right of our time to be allowed to seek a belief in God that is in our nature."
SS Handbook For the Ideological Education of the Troops, Topic 4.
Also,
"My realization of the Jewish danger comes from the Talmud itself - the so-called Holy Book, which the Jews have dressed up with Christianity and therefore call it the Holy Book. You know, all this talk about Christians and Jews believing in the same God is pure nonsense."
Julius Streicher
Former Gauleiter (regional leader) of Franconia and owner of the newspaper "Der Stürmer" on 14 November 1945 in a conversation with the court psychologist Dr. phil. Gustave M. Gilbert.
Excellent work TIK, This is really quality assessment. I really truly have enjoyed your politics content and hope/wish only to see your channel grow even more. You have expanded my understanding with the 4hr national socialism video and now this too, to shed light on the life views of said ideologues. you are producing a work I feel is critical to also understanding our place in contemporary politics. Clarifying the fundamentals of socialism whilst understanding true history. Of course Gnosticism still being a framework some subscribe to this day. Be blessed. I and many others have respect for you. 💥
looks like we got a real heresy on our hands that needs to be removed in this case. time to purge the whole gnostic heresy in this case.
Hegel and a lot of the German philosophers were actually very open about being influenced by this whole philosophy/religion. My seminary professor calls it the perennial philosophy which I think is probably the best term for it since it covers everything from the gnostic cults to the swath of "spiritual but not religious" types that all adhere to the same core pantheistic mystical content
Wait, Gnosticism as you described it sounds broad enough to describe every possible belief. Could you give an example of something that isn’t Gnosticism?
It seems like he discovered a new concept and is trying to make everything fit into it at the top of his Dunning-Krueger.
Same mistake that James Lindsay makes as well. Ascribing everything to one "great enemy". The "conspiracy theory" isn't in the fact that these things exist (Gnosticism, Hermeticism, Transhumanism and everything else Lindsay doesn't like), the "conspiracy theory" is in the claim that all those things are somehow parts of one big movement.
It's also, ironically, a mistake that TIK himself has previously exposed, on the example of Hitler. Who believed that Communism and Capitalism are both orchestrated by his "great enemy".
Yeah, I realized that all from the start. There’s been tons of cults, secret societies, pseudo cults, etc in history. They’re all based on the fact that humans have overly broad pattern recognition, which drives us to superstitions. Things that are coincidental are attributed to the supernatural. And a lot of people have difficulty separating their internal feelings from the external world, so they develop a type of magical thinking; what they’re thinking about gets projected onto how they interpret the world.
Just because these pseudo religions share some superficial features doesn’t mean there’s an organized cabal behind this pulling the strings for literally thousands of years. That’s the reason it’s conspiracy gibberish. The common element is that humans are imperfect and everyone likes to believe they’re stumbling onto something.
I could see all the analogies, it made sense the mechanical application of NS working in a similar way to gnosticism regarding relationship to material world, however I think whilst some ariosophists might have been gnostics as well, definitely the majority of gnostics throughout history I don't think were into ariosophy as that was first recorded in only 1890 as distinct ideology. Before ariosophy, there was just sparkling racialism I think. Nor did communists have to have any knowledge of gnosticism, especially since " religion was the opium of the masses", and soviets were so anti religious and pro rationalist and iconoclastic, in all of their propoganda and propoganda art as well ("Godless Utopia" is a great artbook on that) and kruschev said that religion would become obsolete by 1965.
@@user-qm4ev6jb7d Funnily enough, when one claims all such movements are all part of "one great enemy," they create a dualistic framework that they try to make everything fit into. In that respect, they then become just like the Gnostics that are this enemy. But evil is not its own, rivaling substance. It is the absence of the good.
Really good video, but you should make a video on how Talmudic Judaism is extremely gnostic, even moreso than modern Christianity. Knowing this paints a fuller picture regarding why Mr. H hated them so much (gnostics hate other competing branches of gnostics), but criticizing this religion in this way is especially perilous on UA-cam.
How exactly is Talmudic Judaism gnostic?
Not buying the idea that John was Gnostic, and believed that Jesus was spirit not flesh, given that John had long term proximity to Jesus, as the "disciple whom Jesus loved".