Why Oswald Mosley turned to Fascism
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- Опубліковано 7 сер 2024
- I'm NOT a nazi, NOT a fascist, or anything else. This video is discussing events or concepts that are academic, educational and historical in nature. This video is for informational purposes and was created so we may better understand the past and learn from the mistakes others have made.
This video shows how the failure of British politics in the 1920s and 1930s caused Oswald Mosley to turn to fascism in the hope of actually providing welfare to the British people.
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History isn’t as boring as some people think, and my goal is to get people talking about it. I also want to dispel the myths and distortions that ruin our perception of the past by asking a simple question - “But is this really the case?”. I have a 2:1 Degree in History and a passion for early 20th Century conflicts (mainly WW2). I’m therefore approaching this like I would an academic essay. Lots of sources, quotes, references and so on. Only the truth will do.
I know the majority of your audience is here for war history and tanks and whatnot, but I'm thoroughly enjoying your videos on history of economic thought.
I'm glad you're happy with the content! I feel guilty because I've not done a "tank" video in a couple weeks...
@@TheImperatorKnight I love the variety.
@@TheImperatorKnight I think this is where you shine, to be honest. I stumbled into you on an an-cap Reddit sub, and I’ve been hooked ever since. Maybe I’m alone, but I prefer you in these sorts of videos. Keep up the good work!
If you want to do some tank videos.. then do them and take a break from the ideology videos.. remember you shouldn't geelong guilty...you owe no one anything
@@TheImperatorKnight im here for the ideology break downs. They took away our tanks so the pain is too much
TLDR: All the political parties are on the same team and it's not yours.
If you don't pick a team, don't expect to get anything from anyone. This is the natural order.
Facts
@@greyfells2829 They expect something from you, whether you support them or not.
It's because the other teams supported the war, sending their people to die for that tribe.
It's a Big Club, and you ain't in it.
I love your military historical analysis but I am just blown away by how thorough an understanding you have of economic politics and how logically and well you explain it all. You put several of my professors to shame. I have a history degree and I focused heavily on economics, as I think and your videos show, politics and economics are inseparable.
He sucks and your education must be piss poor if you think this video is any good.
This is the best explanation of Mosley's progression from the parties to Fascism I've ever heard. You've done very well here.
I laughed when he said we need to start our story a bit in the past and then starts explaining feudalism
Well ya gotta start somewhere
Or at least how a modern Brit thinks that stuff worked. Life back then isn't quite what he thinks.
@@samsonsoturian6013 Start your own channel, mate. Where are you anyhow, "feudalism" wasn't the same across Europe, nevermind England. What we had is described as "Bastard Feudalism" which isn't at all the same thing.
@@a.nelprober-rl5cf I'd expect to hear something similar in a primary school playground,I suppose that's the stereotypical intellect of today's boys.
Should we expect something else from a man who made a summary of Operation Barbarrossa and cataloged and discussed the moverment of every unit BY THE METER!?
The life expectancy of 35 years is obviously also linked to the high mortality rate of babies and children. He said that, but often people have the tendency to think that the majority of adults died at around 35.
I think that is actually included as child-death often was not recorded in dire times! However getting to the age of 20 (meaning as a woman you already had your first children) made it rather easy to follow on to an age of about 50-60, especially for men.
@@BigHenFor So I‘m not sure if I got your point but I’m not judging this whole concept of calculating life expectancy in the past like the 1700s. Rather, I just wanted to share this thought to make it easier to deal with the 35 years of life expectancy.
I did
Yes, this is a statistical effect - The *average* was lowered greatly by the sheer amount of young deaths, but for those who survived those early years you would expect to see lifespans into more like the 60s.
i read a old thesis paper years back about the mortality rate that was looking at the english mortality rate of the population that survived over the age of 10 years old between 1705 and 1905 based off parish death records.......it found that the median age of death of this section of the population was in their mid 60's.....and that for the same section of population it was not a lot different to when the thesis was written in the late 1930's
Good grief... I've been subscribed for a long time to this channel but have somehow missed this video. It's as if this video was written just for me.... I've independently come to exactly the same conclusions that both you and LK Samuels have reached MANY years ago and have felt I'm going insane that no-one EVER publicly espouses this line of thought. This video has filled in some grey areas and cleared up some inconsistencies in my thinking, and for that I'm extremely grateful.
Excuse me while I take back whats left of my sanity. Absolutely FANTASTIC rendering of an alternative perception to the chaos thats being wrought across the world today.
Such a shame that evil and/or stupid people rule the world.
then let us fight, strugle and debate for a better one
You can try and apply Hanlons razor, but it is too commonplace and too often to be sheer idiocy
maybe you're all evil and stupid and your only shield is weakness and the illusion you could do better if only you had real power
@@ikiyuz4344 We have nothing to lose but our chains!
It doesn’t, there’s just people in a whole lot of pain
It's VERY good to see you acknowledge the manipulative consequences of the left-right spectrum. I've been saying this for years
And You were right Velraven
It's never been left v right... us v them...its always been the individual against vs the state
🙋🏻♂
@@bigmouthstrikesagain4056 At the end of the day, fully boiled down, the only real political spectrum is individual vs collective. Social pressure vs healthy boundaries. People who think they know how you should live your life better than you do, vs people who love others enough to trust them to make their own decisions.
Left right spectrum in the mainstream media has just become Good people bad people.
there really should be a better spectrum because its incredibly vague.
Right wing is traditional and left is progressive.
That is basically the actual definition but lets be honest its totally abused and all the worst people in history get lumped into the right despite being progressives.
My Grandmothers sister was born in Gateshead, England in 1914. She was born with Rickets. Which is caused by the Mother not getting enough to eat during pregnancy. Another ancestor give birth to half her children in the Workhouse. She died in a Newcastle Workhouse in 1910. Most of the Working class lived in abject poverty in Britain! It was like this for most till the 1950s, and 1960s in many places. Mosley given a chance might made a difference? Couldn't been much worse then those who did run the show? We will never know.
It's still a hellhole when it comes to working conditions tbh
@@flashgordon6670 Why do you keep spamming every comment with the same reply? Stop it.
Then there are stupid people from former colonies who hold every Brit accountable for colonialism and demand reparations. I am not a Brit myself but even a quick glance at history shows that the average Brit was suffering in hellish poverty even while Britain was a colonial empire.
The Great War devastated every major country that was involved in it, execpt the US. Then came WW2. Which was worse economically.
@@noreply-7069 Because it is important info and sadly a lot of TIKs viewers will take what he says on 100% regardless of how correct it is. I should add, spamming it the way he is, probably that's going a little TOO far, but it needs to be put out there pretty strong.
wow someone in England was able to afford more meat per year/per person in 1912 than I am in California in 2023, and I am a military veteran.
Hi TIKHistory,
I’d like to say I appreciate you for including references. I enjoy educational / infotainment type videos a lot but I hate how many don’t include references or sources for their information making it difficult for me to learn more about a subject. It also allows me to fact-check information to create my own opinion as well. More content creators on UA-cam NEED to do this if they seek to “educate/inform” people on subjects.
I mean, this should be the bare minimum. After all, you’re citing from someone else’s work and nobody needs to trust you. As you said, that’s also part of educating.
Frank 😍
Very Interesting topic; it’s about time the establishment historians recognise the truth of ‘fascism’- and it’s basis in socialism. You’re doing a great job at exposing their ignorance. Thank you, TIK.
*Syndicalism it's a form of Socialism, but different in how it functions in seizire of the means of production and worker's participation in the economic sector.
@@YaBoiBaxter2024 My apologies!
@@senry. It's ok!
@@YaBoiBaxter2024 Socialism is the socialisation of the means of production, syndicalism is the socialisation of the means of production within syndicates, so syndicalism is a form of socialism, but it is not different from socialism since it is socialism. It is just one variant of the same thing, so it is 100% socialism. Socialism is an idea, not a system by itself, syndicalism is a system of socialism just like Marxism is, and they are both equally socialisms
Hitler was right
Mosley just sounds like a socialist who is not trying to lie to me.
He was a patriotic right wing socialist opposed to left wing globalist fascism.
Yeah
Mosley was basically right about everything
Weird how everytime an analysis of a fascist or a nazi is made, the person explaining often has to start the video with "I'm not a nazi or a fascist or a racist or anything like that". I see it commonly when touching the fascist or radical right wing ideology. The same reassurances never appear on socialist or communist analysis videos
Because of the tankies I guess and other stupid people who'd think if you explain the ideas of a group or person that means you are one of them
Claiming the fascism is right wing because it’s often nationalistic is about as stupid as claiming the Khmer Rouge and IRA were right wing since they were nationalistic and well. Another great video tik!
You missed his point about the wings being meaningless. That doesn't mean that conservatism isn't a natural ally of nationalists.
By definition fascism IS nationalistic. Similarities between extreme opposites can be confusing.
@@greyfells2829 they are not an ally. the conservatives in america, canada and the UK do the same shit.. sabotage the nationalists as if they are their main competition. hell the CPC did that to maxime bernier here and then lost an election to trudeau (because ofcourse they lost to a guy who did blackface one time for every election hes been in)
The left and especially the communists are known for their anti-capitalism. Why do you think that the biggest capitalists during fascism in Italy or Nazism in Germany supported Mussolini and Hitler? When these men came to power, they did not ban these companies, they did not introduce strict regulations. On the contrary, this period became golden for these companies..
Tho fashism doesnt have class hatred
"Mostly peaceful protests" TIKhistory is becoming more and more of a comedic channel. I absolutely love it.
I just point out that all protests meet the legal criteria for "harassment" and that should be taken as the motive of protestor.
That opinion got me kicked from Imgur due to literally dozens of people following just so they could abuse the report button. For weeks.
@@samsonsoturian6013 when was that?
@Samson Soturian huh
I chuckle, but then I dislike it in this setting. Comedy is a great value, but it is the partner force of analysis. They must be joined, but separate, so both can shine jointly.
Comedy is by its nature light-hearted, self-depricating, and open-minded. Analysis is close-minded, heavy-hearted and must have a degree of confidence. In a society, comedians show that something is off. Analysts then figure out how it is wrong, and what needs to be done about it. Politicians then judge what can actually be achieved (unfortunately in practice, ensure it isn't).
Analysis looks for answers. Comedy looks for questions.
The word is COMIC. "Comedic" is a pretentious invention.
Thank you for bringing this up, as most of my history studying is in the middle ages and classical era, people really like to diss on the Industrial Revolution yet completely ignore the benefits.
*hates on the Industrial Revolution via iPhone*
Industrial Revolution is such a fantastic time period; Really should have more hype
The same people that blame the British for the Bengal famine that wasn't even their fault but don't credit the British for ending the yearly famines that plagued India before their rule.
@@Arkantos117 the Bengal famine was the fault of the British. As you say, india is no stranger to famine. And yet, the Bengal famine was so brutal. Why? Mismanagement, either through callousness or cruelty, I think the former.
@@yuvi3738 The Bengal Famine happened because local autonomous governments and aristocrats did not want to share their abundance as food prices were massively inflating after the Japanese invasion of Burma. There wasn't a total lack of food, food was just too expensive for the poor to buy.
The only way the British could have solved it would be to take food by force from Indians to give to other Indians.
This is an absolutely brilliant explanation of the ideological/economic failings of the Lib/Lab/Con trick political system responsible for the needless poverty of the 1920/30s; but which have continued to inflict similarly needless poverty upon the British Nation right through to the modern day.
When the poor were struggling and dying out of sight in the countryside all was well. When industrialization pulled the poor into the cities, the poverty was much less, but it was more visible in the cities.
Your Mosley series is going to be the key jewel in your complete coverage of the topic of Fascism imo.
Mosley was intriguing for certain, both very familiar, but clearly the redheaded step child of particular groups all the same.
Wait until people see you bring up his ideas for a "United Europe" and how familiar that concept is lol
Sounds a bit like nato and the European (cough...soviet) Union
Kalergi is another fascist adjacent individual that was instrumental in shaping the European Union.
Yeah moseley opted for a united Europe in 49' i believe.
And to be honest its not that far from what the EU is becoming. They have been rattling on about Pan Europeanism for decades, and have some pretty weird youth programs.
@@finlaymcdiarmid5832 the difference of course being that Mosley wanted a united Europe for Europeans while the EU wants it for a everyone but.
@@themanchestercollective3616 thats one of few.
Oswald was the most gameriest gamer of all time...
He might have been a better leader for Britain, considering how it's going for us now.
@@YaBoiBaxter2024 seems like a reasonable conclusion
Based
@@YaBoiBaxter2024nah fuck that. It's good that Germany got stuffed.
Quite admired Mosely. My Father was a supporter of his in the early 1960s. Moselys biggest mistake When he founded his "British Union of Fascists" in 1932, was the name itself. Using a name with Foreign connotations was a big mistake. Ditto with calling his protection force "Black shirts". Not sure if his Pro Monarchy leanings helped him win the Working Class support he hoped to get? If he had simple called his Movement "The Nationalist Party" or Something like "The British Peoples Party" he would had a better chance of gaining more support. His Protection Squad should been simply called that.
This is my new favorite channel. History and just history.
Yes, your analysis of war is excellent and your analysis of political philosophy and economics is doubly excellent 👍
Statements like, "They're all the same," when it comes to political parties aren't very helpful. To say that Mosley may have seen them as all the same is useful in showing his disillusionment; however, in general it does little to explain why one party will defeat another.
Well his whole shtick is 'actually the market can do no wrong"
True, but I think TIK's speaking in a narrow sense. Not that they are literally the same in every respect, but as it regards using the straight to restrain the market and trample individual rights, they all agreed on doing that. Of course, they used different rhetoric to defend similar policies.
@@burnvictim77 The reason it isn't a useful statement is because any party, if it aims to one day be the leaders of the state, has to "restrain the market" and "trample individual rights" because there is no such thing as a free market or rights without a state. It's a paradox originating from nature itself; the market is always restrained by natural forces (geography, time etc) and there's no such thing as a natural right. What the state aims to do (whether successfully or not) is alleviate these natural inevitabilities by organising society in a manner so the forces are distributed more or less equitably, depending on their goals.
@@Guerillatoker Clearly not all states are equal in this regard. As TIK stated, the Liberals of the 1850s-60s were substantially pro-liberty, though far from an-caps, in his own words. So it is possible to have a party with a substantial different from this paradigm, even if there is never going to be a complete freedom of the market.
@@burnvictim77 I agree, I was just expanding on why I think it is still worthwhile acknowledging the distinctions between parties, as “they all want to tax you and take your rights” is ultimately too reductive.
You should cover adrien arcands national unity party in Canada during the 1930s.
Why?
@@rickjones7977 An irrelevant entity, in an irrelevant country.
Canadian, here. I think it’s more worthwhile to study Fidel Castro Jr’s current movement here.
Trudolf.
@Rick Jones if that was the case he wouldn't be importing China and India and outlawing religion in favor of gay sex
where are you based in the UK and do you do school visits for history? (*I'm thinking Year 6)
As an American, the first part of the video breaking down what "conservatism" means in a British sense was very, very helpful. Here in the US, we've had a Free Market, pro-individual rights, anti-big government society since the beginning, so our "conservatives" are trying to conserve that system, whereas in Britain, ya'll have a completely different set of values your conservatives are trying to "conserve". So despite sharing the same term, our conservatives and your conservatives are not actually natural allies. Over here, our biggest problem is our leaders have to play a statists game, so when they are in Washington DC for 30+ years, they become part of the statist system rather than a representative of their anti-statist constituents. I mean, how many of us Americans vote for someone only to be disappointed that our candidate just became a cog in the same broken machine we sent them to fix?
IMO, we need to stop trying to fix the machine, we need to take a sledgehammer to it and dismantle it. One page bills- "X department of the Federal Government will dissolve on Dec 31st this year" ect. No repealing and replacing, just repealing and shredding. If it has a three letter acronym, it's gone. Dismember the Federal Government on a wide scale. Actually honor the 1st, 2nd, 5th, and 10th Amendment. I'd argue that even the 3rd Amendment is being violated right now, the NSA is in my home watching what I do, why is that fundamentally different than a quartered solider sitting with my family at the dinner table? Think about, some asshole at FT. Meade is in your home, permanently watching you with a HELL of a lot more snooping power than a normal human has. Abolish it all, even if we're "less safe"; but guess what Freedom is risky inherently, personal responsibility is risky. If you actually believe in freedom, you're against the State.
Yes I also want to see America divided and weak
The best part about you Americans is they way youre more than happy to let people die because they cant afford healthcare & you demand it stays that way.
Americans are great people.
American conservatives love social control, military spending, and repression of individual rights. You're insane.
@@Carlin2810 lol im canadian and id give up "free healthcare" to be an american without needing even a second to stop and think about it.. MAID is the smoking gun that proves the americans have always been right on government healthcare being a bad idea..
Hi, try this book ... 'A People's History of the United States' by Howard Zinn. gl from the UK
Tax policy is one of the strangest things in existence. In the US, both parties are pro high tax RATES. But neither is pro high tax PAYMENTS. The thing that all parties in all nations seem to have in common is the lip service to "the people" which the average working class hears and thinks of themselves, not realizing that the politicians mean themselves.
The "people" are the "public", and the "public" sector is the state. So yes, when the politicians say they're "doing it for the people", they mean themselves. I've tried to explain this in my public vs private video, but it's surprising how many people rejected this, even though it's clear that that's exactly what they're doing.
@@TheImperatorKnight It is frustrating; but we all do it. You can see thru Halder's distortions but similar distortions of the "Table Talk"? We are all great at bursting others bubbles; our own, not so much. The first person we fool is ourself. Plenty of work has been done by psychologists on how difficult it is not to go along with outright nonsense if everyone around you is hellbent on nonsense and you don't even know you aren't being allowed to see otherwise. After seven or so years of almost everyone going along with barking wibble since it dawned the Donald might actually win the primary and we actually might see off the EUrine, and the even more accelerated and accentuated daft of the last three years; it is actually surprising how many folk have accepted your argument or accepted that you have an argument. I'm surprised you find it surprising you get vehement pushback; especially when you point out how suspiciously often things go tits up and what progress we've been making suddenly goes into reverse. You are fighting human psychology and several ruddy great arses, nevermind a thumb, on the scales.
One thing to remember is how few people in Britain had the vote in the 1800s. The Reform Act of 1832 increased the electorate from around 366,000 to 650,000, which was about 18 per cent of the total adult-male population in England and Wales. This added to the electorate small landowners, tenant farmers, shopkeepers, and householders who paid a yearly rental of £10 or more. Not as conservative as the aristocrats and large land owners, but not the working class either. The next expansion was the Reform Act of 1867. It still was based on property qualifications, and the number of adult males eligible to vote was two million. It wasn't until the end of WWI that the least well off working-class males, about 40% of adult males, gained the vote.
A cynic might suggest that a franchise that requires no qualifications other than majority is merely guaranteed to represent the opinions of those who cannot be arsed to take an interest beyond the gimmies, and to use a Mosley expression, 'Are blown hither and thither by every gust of transient opinion'. :)
@@Fanakapan222 Most of us are too busy living, mate.
@Steve Watson yep
One of the best videos, and great analysis going right back to the Age of Enlightenment and tracing these economic ideas through the industrial revolution to the 20th century. Great stuff, very original perspective. Don't agree with everything, but your point of view is so well argued and clear, especially on the artificiality of the spectrum. You should turn this into a book.
In Peaky Blinders Mosley was performed beautifully but written diabolically.
Peaky Blinders is a travesty of history.
Well it was the bbc that made it, I found the same way they portrayed communist and the tories
you really shouldnt say that youre not a racist fascists nazi or anything like that. dont make them force you to say things. dont give into them. dont say what youre not, when you do in a small way theyre winning. they see blood in the water and will know theyre influencing you and will come back for more and over time they will further and further influence you.
100% correct!
It's actually for the UA-cam censors, not the audience. I don't really care what my critics call me anymore. I've given up with them.
@@TheImperatorKnight And you’re not being forced.
Whenever anyone calls me racist, Bigoted, nazi etc? I simply pull down my zip and reveal to them, 10 masculine and girthy inches.
Quickly silences them without a word spoken.
A nazi loves all races, they should just remain in their own countries!
Benjamin Disraeli. Classic British name there.
Just before the industrial revolution kicked off there was an agricultural revolution briefly changes in farming techniques and enclosure of common land that smaller farmers and labourers need to survive and the Introduction of machinery that reduced the numbers of workers needed on the land. They pretty much had no choice other than to move to the cities.
The main reason people left their farms was that their landlords evicted them to raise sheep. Infant mortality was higher in the cities and the decline in the early 19th century was due to increased immunity following a wave of epidemics caused by urban living.
I live for these kinds of videos.
Was expecting outrage in the comments. Reassuring to see the 3 dozen I scrolled found your assessment even handed and educational. Thanks for shedding more light on this history of which my knowledge is limited. More power to you Tik.
*Sir Oswald Mosley
Why are you honoring a fascist
@TIKhistory Perhaps something got cut in the edit but at 32:59 you state that Mosley sent his unemployment proposals To Keynes, yet at 33:34 you state Mosley got his ideas From Keynes (only reference on screen is that of the AJP Taylor book you were critiquing with none for your comment); you also state at 35:42 that Keynes had no influence on the Labour Party at the time - what am I missing here?
p.s. Thank you for the video.
I have to take issue with one of your statements. The status quo of the conversations was to...
"To PREVENT the poor from IMPROVING their standards of LIVING"?
I would need some hard evidence that anyone goes out of their way to PREVENT someone from improving their standard off living.
Not want to spend effort to HELP someone else, I could understand, but, to *actively* PREVENT?
NEED MORE INPUT...
The amount of input doesn't matter if you lack the horsepower to process it.
@@stevewatson6839 Where we're going, we don't need horses. Nurses would be nice. Candy stripers, too.
Huh
Tik, you can the only reason I look forward to Mondays, thank you so much for all you do.
@@flashgordon6670 I think you posted your comment on the wrong comment
@@posham219 He's a spammer. I'm only seeing his comment because it is misplaced, LOL!!!
@@flashgordon6670 You have an attention span that makes goldfish look good. I rest my case and hope this helps. /s
I’m glad you’ve seen the light on the reality of things here. We will continue to be conned for the forseeable future.
"But so soon as anyone, be they an individual or an organized interest, steps outside those limits, so that his activity becomes sectional and antisocial, the mechanism of the corporate system descends upon him."
-Oswald Mosely, founder of the British Fascist Party
"Why didn't the anti-laissez-faire people see that the poor were becoming better off due to laissez-faire capitalism?"
A partial answer to this is that the aristocrats who formed most of parliament went out of their way to avoid seeing regular people. It was seen as bad form to risk catching diseases by mingling with the poor, and even stooping to being familiar with a common person or servant was a faux pas. These people were transported from their homes in the country to their offices in carriages (both horse drawn and rail) with shuttered windows. Any understanding of the common people was learned from education rather than direct experience. This behavior helps explain a lot of the cruel and unusual decisions made by British parliament in history, including their attitude to the Irish potato famine, the colonies and even, going further back, the American colonies. You would never know the poor were improving their lot because you never saw it, and the newspapers you read probably thought you wouldn't be interested.
I also think it's worth mentioning that there is a similar situation today, with elitists in politics, business and entertainment thinking that they know best without any real knowledge of regular people. Even the elitists who claim to be helping poor and disadvantaged people have no clue what they're talking about, which is why they are so easily misled and panicked by what they see in the media. You can easily convince everyone that poor people are a bunch of racists and/or revolutionaries and/or illegal aliens because none of the people with a platform ever get out of their ivory towers in LA or NY. They rely on other parties to supply the data, which is why they can easily believe crackpot theories in the press, or charlatan academics, or business 'research'. In the same way, the Government and Hollywood think they should educate the masses through messaging in schools and entertainment - that the poor need messaging more than actual education, not understanding that ordinary people are perfectly capable of seeing through their agenda, and that their heavy-handed messaging is nothing but patronizing.
Well that is not true saying aristocrats lived in a bubble away from the poor. Plus most anti-capitalist people were of the working classes.
You should tell the aristocracy in Imperial Russia that their revolution accomplished nothing and the elites stayed in power. I am as anti-Communist as the other guy, but the real threat of having their stuff taken and their heads cut off was the thing that balanced the concentration of power in the elites of the west in the 20th century. It is the dominance of a single ideology (whether left OR right) that creates the excesses, and it is competition and balance that limits them.
The Bolsheviks to my knowledge were complete outsiders, the mainstream "revolutionaries" and "radicals" in Britain on the other hand were all aristocrats or at the very least rubbing shoulders with the crown.
One problem is that Britain is not a true democracy with proportional representation. The common citizen is not represented or has any voice in Parliament. We vote in representatives that only persue their own selfish aims.
Took them 3 years and 2 PMs to execute the Brexit voted on in a direct democratic process, raging and fuming all the while, threatening and throwing around their vendettas along the way. They also decided that Brexit was the last straw, regretted they allowed the people taste too much democracy here, and vowed never to repeat the same mistake again. From now on only dictatorship and obedience. Referendum/direct democracy is now called populism which can then be interpreted in some twisted way as fascism, while top-down dictat is democracy.
Well the UK tried a democratic vote with brexit and see how that turned out.
Can't wait for the next one
I do need to point out that this average life expectancy of 35 is actually Bogus, TIK.
If you count kids who did not make to their 5th birthday the stats are abysmally low. (if one person dies at age of one and another dies at 69, then life average life expectancy is 35). If you count life expectancy at age of 5, stats don't look bad.
@MITCH yeah but that's the whole video
What a great piece which makes more sense than the old left/right argument. We seem to have gone full circle with 'stakeholder capitalism' and Conservatives taxing us to the hilt with artificially high energy and food prices as a result of net zero policies. Far better to measure political parties based on free markets (red tape / regulation), cost of living (inflation), individual rights and taxation (direct and indirect) etc. On that score all mainstream parties score badly.
Thanks for the stats. I had not made that link, but I had always believed that when my great grandparents moved from fishing villages to coal mines they were not complete idiots.
Mussolini was held up as a success by politicians and the press on both sides of the left/right.
Mussolini fell out of favor after his invasion of Ethiopia in 1935. Up to that point, many thought Mussolini was on the right track and was a model to follow.
Just a comment on Thatcher. While yes the poll tax in itself was a terrible idea, wasn't it bought in to replace another evil tax which is council tax? The better solution is to get rid of council tax altogether and allow private companies to compete for bin collection services.
Also she was the best conservative PM in history IMO (obviously the standards are not very high). Had she not bought in the reforms in the early 1980s the UK would have plunged into a Greek style economy. She also had a massive battle on her hands because whenever she tried doing anything remotely radical and free marketish, both her own party and the public would be in uproar. Thatcher was not voted in because of her free market beliefs, she was voted in because the country was sick of 1970s socialism... She was extremely unpopular early on and was only saved by the Falklands. She unfortunately became more statist in her later years in office which was a shame.
This just tells me if the people cannot even tolerate minor Thatcher market reforms with some deregulation, then those who want a true free market in Britain are dreaming.
It just means that pro-free market people need to learn from the statists and get better at propaganda and convincinng people. Also, to grow a backbone and stand firm for their convictions and beliefs without compromise.
"The better solution is to get rid of council tax altogether and allow private companies to compete for bin collection services."
Bravo! That's precisely what I've been saying.
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"Had she not bought in the reforms in the early 1980s the UK would have plunged into a Greek style economy. She also had a massive battle on her hands because whenever she tried doing anything remotely radical and free marketish, both her own party and the public would be in uproar."
I do agree with that assessment. From her point of view, she was in a tough position, and she inherited a country that was on its knees. However, my point is to say that she's not what people perceive her to be. And if people take their emotions out of the equation and look at the facts, yes she closed the mines, but the industries she supposedly "privatised" weren't really privatised. The railways are still owned by the government via their corporation: National Rail. It's only nominal privatisation, not actual. And she introduced the Poll Tax, which is obviously a tax increase.
@@TheImperatorKnight all true... There were so good reforms made to the financial sector and she did give some pretty good speeches. I think her and Reagan were great speakers but could not pull the trigger when it mattered most. I would still take both over the shower of shite we have today on both sides of the pond.
Poll tax replaced the domestic rates; council tax "replaced" the Poll Tax. More like put a pair of knickers on it imho! The Domestic Rates if I recall properly were a part of Liberal governance before they went off the deep end.
@@TheImperatorKnight Her better ideas were just watered down Powell. I'd be interested in hearing your take on John Enoch someday.
42:57 Labor/Socialists: "It's not our fault we suck, it's the system that made us fail"
Socialists acting within the government's methods of the election process (Democracy) is the reason why they fail to garner power in the modern day.
so far i am at 36 mins
and can only think. 100 years later and nothing has changed .
the essence of the 1920s is the same today
and here we are just hoping for a new party. as the old ones are failing the country
Perhaps I'm pessimistic, but I think any new party will either be suppressed or become corrupted, and be the same as the current ones
Party pooper!
Hello,
Would you ever do a video on Enoch Powell?
I'm so glad someone like you has as many subscribers as you do. I'm worried people are running away with themselves and getting triggered by political narratives when history should be studied in an unbiased way.
Did the enclosures not play a huge part in why people left the countryside for the cities?
It's Hegel's statist trap. The Hegelian Dialectic presupposes a statist worldview, and that way, regardless of left or right is "winning," - the state grows stronger and more dominant. Hegelianism is the overriding philosophy that produces all the statist ideologies of the left, right, and center.
I hope to see a world where disclaimers like the one in the beginning are not needed, but sadly people have too many feelings and not enough common sense today.
That was an unexpected and surprisingly deep dive into the history of british politics and economy.
16:13 the liberals considered themselves the party of reason, they love a good sounding argument. The conservatives would have kicked the Hegelians out on their ears.
So as an American hearing this, I wonder if many Brits who aren’t that informed ( but think they are) think conservatives are low tax because in America, they generally are low tax. Granted it depends on the conservative and some want to be more like their British counterparts.
@Jeremy Adrian he's a basic bitch liberal malding that everyone of his types victories for the last 70 years and not working out wasn't be those policies were shit but because it was actually those evil scheming aristocratic federalist fascists ruining his perfect globalization state
Firstly, why would Brits base their definition of conservatism according to policies in another country?
Secondly, are conservatives in the US really that low tax? Or is it effectively the same game as being played in the UK? Who was the last Republican to substantially lower taxes?
@@PointNemo9 Bush and Trump both had rather substantial tax cuts without significantly raising taxes in any other area (though Trump did close a bunch of tax loopholes).
In the US the equivalent "game" is that Republicans claim to be in favor of a government with a smaller and balanced budget. But in practice tax cuts are never balanced with corresponding spending cuts, and Republicans have usually spent just as much as Democrats, just differently.
If you don't take into account state governments, you're lying by ommission. Conservatives love taxes--sales taxes, which generally hurt the poor. In many rural US states the sales tax can be as high as 10%.
Your videos are incredibly interesting and I love to hear you analyze these radical political movements with nuance. Keep it up!
When you look at 3rd position politics where shares of stock are sold exclusively to the worker of said company, it makes a lot of sense. Similar in operation and stability to tbe modern day Credit Union. Its straight forward and has very few moving parts. Also, such an enclosed autarkic "syndicalist" economy would prevent external and international interests from meddling in domestic economic affairs. You can still have low taxes, small government and technological advancement while at the same time giving the workers a greater piece of the pie and a bigger voice in the board room.
With their own personal wealth on the line, the stock holding workers will perform their jobs well so as to collect the maximum dividend from their labor efforts.
You realise thats pretty much the core tennants of Marxism right,the workers owning the means of production & worker co-ops.
5:30, no, the real political spectrum does exist, rule of law vs rule of might. Most Socialist and National Socialist doctrines are based on the rule of might with some flavor of ethnic/racial divide, not equal rule of law. Rule of law requires as a base that all people in a society are equal before the law, with no free pass for dictators, corruption, race, and ethnicity.
"Just get a room will ya" xD that was perfectly delivered - Great video Sir.
Ok so say you're saying that:
-Laissez-faire is good because capitalists and workers worked against the elite
-Then liberalism died and therefore everyone is pro establishment and is thus bad
-Every socialist is actually elitist
-Mosley was right before he turned fascist
-And you all can't disagree with me because I'm stating pseudo-historical facts while discrediting other historians for doing that exact same thing as me because they have an ulterior motive.
Yeah a completely unbiased assessment and all that totally doesn't apply to you. Just say you're a classical liberal already.
Laissez-faire is all about the free market and will always result in the rich getting richer at the expense of everyone else. Haven't you noticed that such a system also creates a class of elites that is also inherently pro establishment? Your criticism are so asinine because base your entire assessment of every political movement on this one point. No wonder you said you don't want to use a political compass. Just stick to war stories, your assessment on political theory is terrible.
Yes Bill Gates is a capitalist
Can you do a video on King Carol II of Romania short lived corporatist regime 1938-1940?
Romanian fascism is an interesting topic.
There may be a link back to Alexandru Cuza, the reform - minded dictator (domnitor) of the 1860s.
Re: the start of this video on your commentary about the flow of labour from the countryside to the cities with the growth of industrialisation, there is one major omission in your analysis: the enclosures. Several million people sustained their livelihoods (admittedly in relative poverty) farming strips of land in "open-field systems" whilst having access to commons such a fields where livestock they owned could graze or woodland where pigs could be put out to pannage. Whilst industrialisation, urban population growth and economic growth increased trends in larger farming systems (farms) to generate higher food production, open-field/common-field land-use patterns remained more conducive to the production of market-garden produce for longer around the major English towns such as Leicester, Nottingham & Liverpool. Between 1760 & 1870 about 7 million acres (about 1/6th of England) were changed from common-land to enclosed land by some 4,000 acts of enclosure - mainly for sheep grazing. A suite of business innovations (double-entry accounting, the joint-stock company, etc.) combined with this systematic policy of kicking people off commonly managed lands so that a system of “rent seeking” could be built up for wealthy people to extract money from the working poor.
Shhhh, he doesn't like to acknowledge that the free market jsut extracts wealth from the working poor.
Well done!
People want simple answers to complicated situations.
Stupid is what stupid does.
Excellent. I've always wondered why I hated politics. American definitions may be slightly different, but you make amazing points. Thanks
Looking at the grave stones in my village, i was shocked to read on a headstone from the 1880s a death in the parish at 36 and the death of his two daughters at the age of 6 and 9 years, just yesterday the 8th of april 2024, was it famin in the uk ? .
Why did Dickens not compare the plight of the poor to their plight a hundred years earlier? Because that doesn't make sense. He was comparing the plight of the poor to the plight of the rich capitalists living in the same day and age.
This is why I started to distrust Libertarianism, the arguments seem to make sense on a small scale, but fall apart as soon as you take a moment to think about the bigger picture. Just like some other ideologies I could, but will not, add. 😀
TIKhistory,
This is eerily similarly like what is going on in many ways today. From my view point I can see the history repeating it self, just replace some of the historical persons with today's Politicians, being canceled, not allowed to have a descending voice, critical idea/thought, or able to leave the left. Also nice job with the Ouroboros explanation.
I would also love to see a video contrasting Franco's ideology with Mosley, Mussolini, and Hitler.
The land was cleared as farming was more profitable with sheep instead of people.
The best time to be 'low class' prior to the modern age was definitely just after the Black Death.
The middle ages as a whole are better than the rest of premodern times for the poor.
Better nutrition and greater protections.
Historians used to call it the dark ages, but this is because of biases about state power and towards centralisation and consolidation.
Modern historians dislike that term precilt because it was actually one of the better periods in history for the vast majority of people.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 Indeed there was a time when the 'poor' peasants were eating good bread, vegetables, fresh fish, cheese and nice herb sauces near daily.
Sure they didn't eat as much meat as the aristocracy but they still ate well and frankly with the way food prices, shrinkflation and regulations are going these days we'll all be eating less meat in the future too.
Yeah
A big reason why people moved into cities was also the enclosure movement in England. obviously this was not the case for all of the movement but it's a little bit dishonest to act like it was just a free market, opportunity cost decision when people literally had their lands taken from them.
And given to wealthy British nobles to.. build factories on!
This is the best video on our political state ever
Tik your history lessons make me a better person
Your videos are informative and well-referenced. So sad that you have to disclaim to avoid being attacked. Sign of the times - a poor one. Cheers.
Its good he’s not a fascist. all fascist are scum
Mosley was unfathomably based not gonna lie.
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@@vistakay lower your voice
@@MacMillsaps Your voice was louder than mine!
@@vistakay then may we both be as loud as Mosley.
I’m highly dubious of the claim that the child mortality rate in England was 70% just as a matter of common sense this doesn’t seem sound.
People had a ton of kids specifically for this reason.
@@greyfells2829 not buying it
Exactly which group in the Victorian era was for higher taxes? I missed it. Today higher taxes are wanted by those who think they are doing good for the downtrodden by redistributing wealth (p.s. it doesn't work).
now i'm wondering how wrong is the Oswald Mosley depicted in Peaky Blinders...
I like Spode and his Black Shorts in Jeeves & Wooster
Remarkable. I discussed this last night with my son. A good analysis. I also agree the deliberate Left versus Right fog is just that. More so today than in the past, however.
It is also remarkable that the new fascism of today (Green-Red-Woke) camouflage is backed financially by many of the same oligarchic/ruling establishment families which backed the old fascism - and indeed also various other wars, Revolutions, fanatical and deranged movements/ideologies and a transfer of more wealth from the working people (lower and middle class) to the ‘Supremacist Clique / Cabal’. Hence, had Mosley existed today, he well have been in the Labour/Lib/Green/Tory party and pushed Oligarchic dystopia under the guise of wanting to do good for the masses (normal people > 99%). Over privilege breeds contempt, mysticism instead of logic / science / progression, sociopathic behaviour and also, unfortunately, psychopathic trends. History clearly shows us this clearly. Indeed recent history shows us this. Here in Germany, 70 % have learned nothing from recent history and de facto fascism in imperial, National Socialist and now US/WEF-UN/EU type. Mostly, it is the East Germans who can still spot a pig dressed up as a ballerina.
ur insane
Modern fascism is just fascism. It's a guy on a state-sponsored concert pretending to nuke the US. It's a bunch of cops and used car salesmen trying to launch a coup on the US government. It's the belief in the Nation as a deliberately amoebic and nebulous thing that can be molded to manipulate people without consideration for who it destroys, openly.
I have a question about minimum wage hurting the unskilled worker.
What good does it do an unskilled worker to work, say, 80 hours a week at under $1 an hour if it still leaves him too poor to afford both housing and food? What good has been done for them if they get out of work to go crawl into a cardboard box in the alley to sleep a few hours, then get up and do another 16-hour shift?
Read "Economics in One Lesson" by Henry Hazlitt and "Basic Economics" by Thomas Sowell and you will get your answers.
@@TheImperatorKnight Not much help, I'm too busy working two jobs to read two economics textbooks and probably couldn't afford them anyway.
@theImperatorknight can you please make a video on lasseaire fare economics and if It was the cause and why not ? That would be really useful
It's amazing the difference between conservatives over there and the one's here.
Yeah I know....the conservatives of America are the liberals of Europe and vice versa. I can't believe I just realized that
Where is "here"?
Power only exists to justify its power, and power is centralized. Ever since the ending of absolute monarchies in the early modern era, power has just been slowly centralizing in our "Democratic" Elites. All politics makes sense if you look at it in that regard.
And absolute monarchies themselves were centralised compared to feudal times. This is one of the factors why beofe emdoern medicine medieval times actually had the greatest living standards for the lower classes.
@Matthius Köenig are you German or Austrian?
First half of this video is literally one of the greatest works by TIK in his career in my opinion. 😂
so instead of Left and Right the parties should start categorizing themselves Individualists and Collectivists (or Capitalists and Socialists)? I guess that would be a clearer distinction
If the birth rate didn't significantly change, and now 75% of children survived past age of 5, imagine the number of children running the streets trying to eat and survive. And being taken advantage of. Etc. That is what Dickens witnessed.
Please don't take TIKs political videos at face value mate. View them as one side of a political spectrum. If you would like to read an alternative to this rhetoric and form a more rounded view, try The Conditions of the Working Class in England by Engels.
@@jrton1366 because Engles and Marx have such a “”great”” economic history 😒
@@benclark4823 I have watched TIKs vids, read Dickens and read Engels and read Nial Ferguson's Empire which touches on the topic.
I am advising that taking TIKs video as factual, when his main source is an Ancap activists with no intellectual credentials, is not something people getting into the topic should be doing.
I notice how the mere mention of Engels is enough to set you off. Bet you have never dared explored a view contrary to your own! How dangerous!
Engels lived in Manchester in 1846 and writes about his experiences with the poor, referencing numerous contemporary Royal Commissions, Parliamentary Debates etc. TIKs book is written by a 21st century political hack.....I know what I would prefer to lean on as a source...
@@jrton1366 'kin 'ell. Lewis' point about Dickens goes for the Kraut shit too. Too close to the problem and arse about face.
If one really want a counterpoint in this debate on child mortality in pre-modern times, maybe one should rather try Edward Dutton?
(TLDR: from onset of industrial revolution we're suffering from increase of mutational load and falling IQ as we're no longer under harsh selection, thus our society is unsustainable in its current form)
man you can't say that Thatcher hated the free market, wtf, it's not only about direct taxes, c`mon man
She didn't implement free market principles. She privatised the industries, keeping them in government regulatory control. The railways remain under the control of Network Rail, which is government run.
@@TheImperatorKnight i mean sure but a bit of state intervention is not necessarily a bad thing
"i mean sure but a bit of state intervention is not necessarily a bad thing"
In your opinion, perhaps. However, the point is that Thatcher didn't free up the market. We still have taxes, inflation, regulations, wage controls, price controls, and a lot of the corporations and banks are being directly funded by the state. Thatcher's industrial policies were a slight step in the correct direction, but overall it's hard to conclude that she was low tax or pro-free market.
@@Aelinorx Take your comment and TIK's. As you look at the screen they are clearly seperate. Zoom out, you won't be able to tell one from the other. Catch my drift?
@NAVWAR is that Astolfo?
It is perhaps a tragic proof of the impoverishment of 40+ years of communism that in Romania year 2000 there was a smaller average consumption of meat per capita than UK 1900.
Brilliant work! Now I have to figure out how to share this without triggering the idiots.
The share button near the top of the page offers one means. Copy-pasting the url is another. Idiots triggered by fact will always be triggered, but people seeking to be informed will appreciate it. Don't allow the latter to be denied by appeals to the temperaments of the former.
Well said.
@@themig71 Thank you.
Can you make a history video on the creation of Israel from both perspectives?
@Cal if you've not already listened the Martyrmade Podcast did a great little series on this called 'Fear & Loathing in the New Jerusalem'.
Misinterpreting things like Fascism was not the work of nowdays people, it was the work of the Denazification plan after WW2. And Fascism is "bad", but its a word for everything somebody doesn't like and that's weird for me.
I'm not a fascist, neither communist, I see no ideology perspective and a neutral one is for me good enough.
Fascism really isn't "bad", compared to communism fascism did have a point and was kind a precursor to the "we live in a society" way of think that's became popular through media.
@shelby speaks yeah, I said "bad" because you know why but I will fix it