Big Bad Wolf nobody’s stopping you from reading books and educating yourself like everyone else. Btw a study showed that 60% of millionaires are self made and come from working class families. Also school isn’t meant to teach people how to become rich, it’s meant to teach people skills so that they can sell their labor in the market. You don’t need school to start a business
@@Loquacious_Jackson social media and other technology has really messed up our brains, we can't even watch important stuff like debates if they aren't super entertaining for us? Maybe entertainment isn't a requirement for enrichment, maybe our population doesn't need to be entertained 24/7
I just wish the rest of the mainstream media had these serious type of debates that way people could be properly educated and have real battles of opinion as opposed to just saying Venezuela or taxes
I couldn't agree more. I'm about as far from an academic or intellectual as one could get, a truck driver as a matter or fact, and this was just like pure nourishment for my brain i was instantly so engaged i fired off 3 or 4 comments before Mr Wolf even finished his opening statement.lol My point is the gatekeepers think the average Joe has no interest in any sort of long form or in depth philosophical discussion/debate when that couldn't be further from the truth. These are the big ideas that will shape our future for better or worse and as a society we should be breaking them down, scrutinizing and re-scrutinizing them constantly from all sides n angles.
@@buckyflex1 Intellectualism is about sonder interest in the truth, not profession. I wouldn't make the assumption that a truck driver is incapable of being an intellectual. Frankly, discussion of important economic ideas *must* include the working class. That is the driving force behind Marxist ideology, whether you think economic systems should be capitalist or not. Frankly, I would prefer a capitalist system where some board chairs are just employee representatives, almost like a company parliament. The thing is, this might actually be less efficient than just having the government impose a required board structure. Conversation as to what the best form of the system would be is up for debate, but all stakeholders, including employees, should be considered.
Like what @blackearl7891 said, the msm has an agenda and it is not to educate the masses, and if they do, then they educate the masses to what they want you to think not what might be true
Disagree. Keep everything to the point. That way you get maximum information and minimal fluff. People like this cam debate the tiniest nuance for hours. The audience doesn't have hours.
Gimpzilla not totally different. All communist are pro socialism but not all socialist are pro communism. I do agree though a lot of people don’t know the difference.
Spongebob and squidward need to seize the Krusty Krab. While Spongebob provides the labor for creating the burgers and squidward runs the front end of the business taking orders from the customers, the capitalist (pig) crab pockets the profit while giving the two workers a pittance. Nobody earns the value of their labor. Obviously this is why spongebob and squidward live in squalor and discomfort next to Patrick, who literally lives under a rock, while the bourgeoise live elsewhere. Krabs justifies his profit because he procured the capital to create the restaurant and owns the formula, while actively doing nothing of value for his workers or his society. Plankton, meanwhile, is a reflection of the class struggle as he is ruthlessly outmatched at every turn due to the inherent inequality in the system. Neither worker can “choose” to get another job because the reality of Bikini Bottom is that there aren’t any other reasonable options. Squidward obviously does not voluntarily wish to be there. There is a guise of individualism and self determination thrown over a flawed system. Unfortunately, as long as they can feel superior to Patrick, who is lower in society, they too believe they can one day be like Mr. Krabs.
Dandelo what kind of bullshit is that? crabs built the whole restaurant, he owns it, it is his, the formula is his, spongebob and squidward would have nothing without him, he could replace spongebob and squidward but they can‘t replace the formula, i don‘t know if you are just joking or just a dumbass but there are more than enough dumbasses who would believe the bullshit you just wrote so i took it serious
Every comment I’ve read on this comment section refers to the respectful conduct both use throughout the debate. If that doesn’t highlight the depth the current political debate system has sunk to, don’t know what does…
@@decearingegg2320 2 months ago, looks like he couldnt, maybe for the better since he would probably answer with something like "socialism is communism" or "socialism is when no iphone or any innovation for that matter"
@@ghfgxijaorgf5393 It's brainwashing in the highest order when you hate something you don't even understand. They've just been told to hate it, and they do without explanation.
Can’t tell if anyone in the comments favors capitalism or socialism, just that they don’t like the moderator. Edit: Shit 2k likes and 166 relies. Never had that happen thanks guys. Not that that means anything, but it feels good.
@@applesnpears9828 The issue is the people with power they do not allow reform or give us the bare minimum. Government is protecting private interests over the madnesses, our capitalist society is not democratic it’s just a mess. Even the markets are bullshit now. So many issues with our systems today. If anyone here does favour capitalism I think even they would admit our market is definitely not free. Currently trying to learn the best approach to make things better.
CAPITALISM AND THE SO CALLED DEMOCRACY ARE THE BEST ASYLUM FOR THE RULERS, THE ELITES AND THE RICH TO LOOTING THE POOR IN THE NAME OF JUSTICE BUT IT IS A LURE FOR THE COMMON AND THE DENIED.
@@theamericanspirit8590 Mohammed's statement was completely out of place, like he was just hijacking a top comment. Doesn't matter whether he was right, he shouldn't have said it here.
In the interests of having a smooth running discussion while minimizing interruption, can we all agree that Nick Gilespie should never run a debate again?
Absolutely. He has time to crack jokes, then won't allow people asking questions to make a single statement to add context to their question. It's the Nick Gillespie show here. This isn't a debate. It's the Nick Gillespie show.
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i was laughting on the fist question , the dude talked too much and tried too much to build a context. But then Nick just tried to land some jokes just like that "man bum" joke, moments that he makes it more confusing and odd (i did laught about the joke).
I haven't let school get in the way of my education, and I have learned that socialism is one of the most vile ideologies on the planet. It is responsible for the murder of over 100,000,000 million innocent people,and has oppressed billions.
Wolff doesn't really make any sort of point though... The gist of his whole argument is 'I want something else' But the thing he wants is already that we already have...? He just wants to force it onto everyone I guess...? He doesn't make anything close to a technical economic argument this whole debate. Not to mention that almost all of his 'points' about capitalism can be refuted by just silently pointing at Scandinavia...
Eros well Wolff’s whole argument is based on the whole Marxist idea that workers are exploited by wage labor. But we can look at Scandinavia and see some of the most most egalitarian and successful advanced economies of all time. Some of the highest GINIs, best economic mobility. All the social programs you could imagine... These are mixed ‘capitalist’ economies.. Free markets, large private, for profit sectors. This private sector and the growth it brings can be taxed to support social programs. Wolff’s whole argument that ‘capitalism’ is inherently exploitive doesn’t really stand up to common sense economics. At least domestically. Internationally is another long discussion to have.
John Proctor labor isn’t the only input of production. Labor is important but not necessarily all that important in many companies. We can talk utopia all day and use that as a framework to criticize the current system. But ‘workers DESERVE to be paid their average product of labor or it’s EXPLOITATION’ is a pretty dumb oversimplified starting off point.
John Proctor ‘some owners treated their slaves well and taught them to read’ You missed the entire point... As I said...the most advanced, economically mobile, richest, egalitarian system OF ALL TIME... That’s an achievement bud... But you just whine that it’s not good enough because of some flawed and oversimplified philosophy about 'exploitation' and baselessly compare it to slavery.
dont let corona stop your education at home it is better to learn at home then to go to school and be exposed to the virus high school kids get the virus and a 12 year old died of it so it is saying even a toddler can get it your kids are to precious to let go to school love them while you can all you can and keep them safe and at home college can be done online just like grade school i rather be doing this for my kids would,nt you take care everybody and for all of you just so you know mega dosing vitamin c will help clear out phmonia
@@Vic2point0 actually I found you yo be the only defender of him in a video related to his debate with Seam Carroll. I admire William Lane Craig a lott. He is one of the best intellectuals i have ever had the privilege to listen to.
Bernie sanders and Joe Biden said that Socialism is found on Surplus and there are all kinds of surplus American government hoards stuff in warehouses and they call this surplus there are many many many kinds and they were talking about giving it away where you always save more money so much junk the government hoards
it is like matter v anti matter economics the thing is Bernie said that it is provided by surplus and so did little Joe Joe is not all together to be able to lead he should be removed from the election before he causes any more harm to America or himself and or others
You should have a look at debates in Indian News channel, where the moderator comes with his own agenda of spreading communal hatred. Specific suggestions: Arnab Goswami debates (News Channel: Republic India) Have a look at any of his debate and you'll know the sorry state of Indian news media.
@@Azerath2 no he didn't you dumbass. He lost the debate in every way. He lost the vote count and he didn't have one coherent argument. He lied the whole way through. Attributing war to capitalism, making bogus claims about wages and poverty....all lies.
@@Azerath2 , not only did Epstein not have a valid counterargument, he ended up agreeing with wolf most of the time. How can anyone in their right mind argue against workers owning and controlling their own labour and resources? Obviously worker cooperatives keep more wealth and control with the communities and the workers. That means greater purchasing power for the community. It makes communities less dependant on government and billionaire corporations when it comes to jobs and consumer goods. The workers are doing their own work rather than someone else's.
@@jb8785 simply a social democrat. For all the fear mongering that he would end capitalism... He would actually preserve/save it. The same way fdr did.
The thing that struck me the most throughout the debate, is how two people with vehemently opposing views, respected each other, actively listened and could engage in heated conversation, without resorting to petty insults and underhandedness. They both remained lazer focused throughout and even managed to find some common ground. In parts of the debate they stood up and protected the others right to speak and be heard, when heckled by audience members. A lack of civility and the inability to respect a political opponent in this way, is perhaps the greatest threat to modern democracy, politics and freedom of expression we currently face. This is what serious people sound like. Very different from our world leaders isnt it?
I wonder how old politicians go to sleep peacefully everyday inthis day and age when so many people are afraid and hungry everyday. It is is so sad. And they all want to be humanitarians while killings of innocents go on and on everyday.
Gene Epstein begins with an apology to Richard Wolff for an earlier outburst, he subsequently transitions into a critique that personalizes the concept of socialism to Wolff’s interpretations, rather than addressing the ideology in a broader sense. This strategy subtly shifts the debate from a general discussion to a more personal critique, which could be perceived as a nuanced form of personalization that edges towards underhanded critique, albeit within the bounds of formal respect. EDIT: Yeah... Gene is literally attacking Richard's character and whenever he touches on the primary subject he just gives examples of all the current problems we are living with...
Agree. Pretending to be all about keeping things on schedule while wasting time throughout with his distracting smarmy comments. Needs to learn to check his ego at the door, and that he's not as funny or charismatic as he thinks he is. Remarkably stupid comment about Bernie Sanders too which led to another big waste of time. Worst kind of moderator.
It was good to hear a debate about capitalism vs socialism without having a broadcaster pushing their agenda, and also seeing the two people debating let each other talk. Very interesting!
It was good, and the Capitalism’s argument was full of strawmaning. For example, the hypothetical about a socialist party winning the majority of votes of the ballot box, then introducing full blown socialism overnight. However, Socialism’s argument included the history of the process of Capitalism, it was not an overnight change from Faudism but a centuries long process. Just logically, that’s exactly how most ideas come to fruition. So it’s a bit of a strawman argument from Capitalism, which raises questions about integrity and trustworthiness.
@@mr12aT This debate was about socialism vs capitalism. But all that wolff was arguing was about why capitalism is so bad, that it is unstable, that and that. He never once presented the benefits of socialism. The capitalism guy literally said capitalism is not perfect and he listed the disadvantages, he said we should be careful with capitalism, and also talked about the benefits. Wolf never one talked about the benefits of socialism only why capitalism is bad. He did not talk about the disadvantages of socialism. If someone tries to sell me a car and all he does is criticizing my current car, without talking about the the functionality of the new car,. I know he talks bullshit and he knows that too, and is just trying to con me. I never trust people that only talk about the disadvantages of the product, system, person, that they don't like without actually talking about what he is offering. I honestly have no idea what kind of system wolff offers, i only know what kind of system he hates and that is not what this debate was about.
@@pElisei Taxation, for any purpose, is literally theft via extortion. On the other hand, it is a myth that capitalism is a meritocracy. They are both completely wrong. Taxation is cannibalism. Capitalism is a grotesque game of musical chairs, in which 99 percent lose, then propaganda attempts to get them to blame themselves. Socialism is parasitism, plain and simple. It works until you run out of victims to tax. socialist propaganda encourages the cannibals to murder and gorge, until there are no more John Galts to murder.
@@noneone8726 There has to be a balance. A pure capitalist system leads to monopolies a pure socialist system leads to dictatorship. The best economies have the freest markets... look at singapore, switzerland, sweden and all nordic countries. Their markets are highest freedom of economy index, no minimum wage. Singapore has 0% tax and has one of the best economies. It has to be a balance. There has to be regulations and i think Unions are important to keep in check companies I only posted my comment on the video because i was really pissed that all wolff did was criticize capitalism. He did not even talk about socialism. Only spout anti capitalist propaganda.
MrIHadToDoIt a good example of why not all unions are good. In this example, it gives undue to power to police, who are not working class. Their relationship to economic production is enforcement of the laws instituted by the ruling class (private capital). Unions are beneficial for the working class to collectively bargain, aka to have any chance at bargaining at all instead of simply being fired for asking for more equality. The purpose of the police union is to shield cops from the consequences of their unlawful behavior, which is disproportionately used to afflict the working class
@slevinchannel7589 yeah, sabotaged by communism. The first goal of Marxism is to destroy an economy in order to replace it. And communism is a lot like Tolkiens evil, they can only spend not create.
Now this is the kind of debate i like watching. Clear, audible, to the point. Not those screaming matches where you dont get the point across just the voice and the constant jumping in or cutting off to get on the other's nerves and cutting them off mid sentence.
What should you care if it is meant to intimidate and demean, ultimately it is your own choice if you choose to let those words resonate within you or not.
I think it was meant to be funny rather than demeaning. It was definitely in poor taste and insulting/demeaning even if that wasn’t the intent though. This moderator is terrible.
Lol yeah. He is typical of certain type of libertarians.. Did you see his dressing sense. He literally wears that jacket to each interview. A certain type of libertarians are just immature people.
Why you even expect anything super productive out of teenagers is beyond me. But what also eludes me, is why you don’t acknowledge that these old souls were, at some point, those young teenagers. We all start somewhere. I don’t think you should expect much out of tiktok debaters, but also don’t shame them. They’ll mature eventually.
I wouldn't know. I'm not stupid enough to watch tiktok. I believe these men are considered experts in their subject. Kids on tiktok are just mimicking what they heard in class that day from the cool teacher.
@@kallioperobling3359 Unfortunately we live in a world where people make content on other people's content, so you occasionally see ticktok post reposted on youtube.
He sold Capitalism pretty good. It's when you point at the weaknesses of a system and marvel at them and consider them a feature that for some reason it stops sounding unappealing and instead something to be appreciative of.
@@shani5345you just described capitalism, the monopolization of capital can't be regularized in a true capitalist society. 5 Company's practically control everything we see and consume, the difference is that under capitalism they brainwash you to think you're "free".
@@kiwikiwi2483 he's actually right. Michael Mappin the paid shill has been spamming commmunist propaganda for over a year on this video. He's paid to support Richard Wolff and this is shown by the fact that they spams every Richard Wolff video he finds with copy/paste script full of false and misleading information.
@@ExPwner I didn't find this Michael Mappin comment anywhere. So again, I will ask the both of you to take your ignorance and political bias elsewhere and let the logical people enjoy a civil debate for once.
@@kiwikiwi2483 sort comments by new and look at the replies. He's been responding to practically every comment for over a year solid and he does it from a script. I've not once been ignorant. I've been plenty logical.
Majority of the engines (employees) who are behind World production of goods and services are abused and ripped off under the guise of capitalism. Man eat man society.
@@sealking3838 unsubstantiated claim. also, abdullahi is not Lenin. not all socialists are the same. we have disagreements about what socialism should be.
Perhaps the search can pick up on what is in the description which does contain their names? Not sure how youtube works but a quick google search of their names with the word debate brought it up nicely. I imagine the clickbaity title, which drew me in, does its job well
Yeah, the first audience question was very poorly mishandled. He also didn't structure the debate as he outlined at the beginning with statements, rebuttal, and then Moderator Questions. I think he just got too antsy and rushed into the audience questions
@@Bolizen +Uncle Sam = I need YOU! To give up 25% of your income! Municipality + State take 10% Down to 6.5% of the profit for the product made 100% by you. Now, depending where you live, you must spend some on the side, to spend any on goods.
@@Bolizen Capitalism: the worker chooses which company to go and make chips. If he doesn't like the boss he can leave at any time. Socialism: everybody is forced to make chips and give it away to be distributed
"Two young men in the prime of their lives". There is a poem in Persian which says: "توانا بود هرکه دانا بود، ز دانش دل پیر برنا بود", meaning, "Mighty is he who has knowledge; from knowledge the old heart becomes young."
ولی حقیقتا بعضی وقتا ز دانش دل برنا پیر بُود ! هرچی بیشتر از اتفاقای کثیفی که تو این دنیا داره میفته میفهمی بیشتر زجر میکشی و این کافیه تا تو اوج جوونی پیرت کنه.
Jacque has a community in Flordia and he gave tours of the community and explained how his no monetary system worked. He had futuristic homes he designed.
employment is nothing more then being a wage slave warren buffet said something like this on you tube but hell the highest paid baseball player in MLB is getting paid $500.000.000 that is some blessing from slavery and the second highest paid MLB player is getting $250.000.000 still some blessing from slavery and now they are talking reparations from sports teams ,and ice cube is talking about the movie business owing them reparations when they get millions of dollars to act in a movie like barber ship and that sure is not beating on him that sure been blessing him real good with millions of dollars and greed and philosophy are nothing more then criminal narcissism Obama is the same way and this is all mafia trying to use and abuse the past as much they can to exploit white people for the past after all that has changed since Dr king and it is never enough milk everyone for all you can get hell even MCDONALDS is a financial blessing to all those who work there it sure beats the he3ll out of social security
@@hasaniwu there is a old term that Lincoln started and that was Wage Slave a nd it is anyone who works for a wage and the term later turned into employee and the owners became employer not master because we got free will to work for the individual now
@@hasaniwu Because yes people are getting wages, however the amount they are receiving is too inefficient. This forces them to increase work time. Ultimately, a massive amount of people are spending more time working than they are fulfilling their passions.
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for lunch. But the moderator does suck, instead can we write a letter to the representative who employees him?
Davin S I wish no harm, even to those who may seemingly deserve it. There are things I suck at much like how this moderator sucks at moderating . “I have spoken.... “ lol
@rob see Gene Epstein said on the Tom Woods podcast that he had asked the mod in advance to be biased in favor of the proposition. That way his victory could not be disputed.
the moderator is paid by the chinese communist party and isn a traitor to democracy, freedom and America like the rest of the corrupt american academia eleitists/leftists.
I'm sorry that your education was incomplete, but this is what happens when education is optional, and at personal expense. Those without any curiosity spew ignorance as fact. Loser George, you're an ignorant fool. Enjoy your dystopia.
I disagree. I was grateful that he disallowed preambles to questions. I, too, don't care about the questioner's name or background. Get to the question! Maybe we'll have time for more questions that way.
@@JimLockett Turd eater. Shove communism up your sorry arse. Communism is not just a false and evil ideology, but goes well beyond any dystopian worldview. It has faled miseraly every time it was tried out, in all parts of the world. karl Marx was an ignorant fool, an imbecile a, a fraud and a liar, like all communists that follow his limping steps. Communism is immoral, anti-human, dishonest, intolerant and the supreme manifestation of ignorance and stupidity, Only retards, liars, douchebags and criminals endorse communism.
Exactly what I came here to say. I get that he wants to keep the questions straight to the point but he always has to have the last word or make a “witty” comment and expect the person not to acknowledge/respond to it.
I think he checked himself out in a mirror before the debate and thought, "Holy Cow! I look like Tony Montana in 'Scarface.' I think I've got my character figured out, now!"
It was a foolish attempt at humor, characterizing Nazis as simply rule enforcers, and then humorously taking on that affectation as a moderator. It left a bad taste in my mouth.
@@amosbackstrom5366 its not that they dont like the word. Its more that they know it'll get a guaranteed negative response which makes it harder for them to radicalize people
Refreshing to see a debate where both sides understand each other and have enough time to speak unlike political debates which feel rushed and unprepared
It’s crazy to think that as a graduate student in the United States, I can say I have never been taught anything about any of this in my grade school years.
@@raskeltv8882 Yeah because grade school you don't learn what those in power don't want you to. Uni is where you start learning about the dark side of capitalism.
Because a debaters job is to make themselves and their positions look better. A moderators job is not to make themselves look good, but to challenge the debaters to be understood, which both supporters of either side can agree to dislike because a challenge feels like an attack to a partisan.
Libertarians value freedom of speech. I would argue that inviting Wolff to the debate has little to do with courage, but more of an exercise of their values.
@@wallycheladyn1190 if they are giving him a platform strictly as a meaningless exercise of their "values" then I agree it has nothing to do with courage. Nor in my opinion is their any value in their empty tribute to "free speech." If on the other hand they were actually attempting to listen his ideas with open minds as I suspect they were then I commend their courage.
@Virgil Kemp Libertarians do not have any free will or free thought nor a critical mind, they just want to feel good about themselves when they take easy and conforming ways. This is why this slimy economist agreed so much with Wolff but cherrypicked things as usual. They are all sophists. To them, the truth does not matter, what truly matters is the perception of the people who listen to them. Do people buy their arguments or not? What and how should they say and represent it so that others would buy their arguments? These are the most important questions to rightwing economic "radicals". and you are never born an "individual" but become one. If you buy an iphone and play cherrycrush on it then how would I think of you as someone "unique"? Free will is an illusion in which we have to believe in order to sustain ourselves till we die.
"Dark humour is like health care, not everyone gets it" - USA ua-cam.com/video/bEJGL8kDjc0/v-deo.html Watching this on the most capitalistic medium ever.
@@thepoolb0y if you really read what I said, I never said anything about nor insulting people hahaha. I’m not interrupting an open debate by two people who have respect for one another. You can try again though;)
@@Notpresent-1 North Vietnam received constant military support from the Chinese and other SE Asian dictatorships. While Western manpower in the South was nowhere near as much. As a matter of fact, foreign support in south Vietnam have lost few battles and managed to hold off the VC. It was political instability that caused the demise of democratic Vietnam. The wars outcome had nothing to do with which economic system was better than the other.
James Adams That’s why wages have risen steadily with the productivity, right? Oh whoops, looks like not. Well at least the cost of living is much lower than it was 30 years ago. Oh shit hold on, not that one either. If nothing else, education is cheaper so that everyone can pursue their dreams. so forth and so forth. where are these benefits of capitalism, James?
@@ashtheswan705 and here are the prices of goods and services largely going down over time too, dumbass. cdn.digg.com/images/c75ae4f7cf514ef89868b609d40f3d27_ebc53ed963b049b5a14f42eb423586a8_1_post.jpeg Now fuck off until you've educated yourself properly.
I love how it doesn't descend into petty name calling-- they're actually talking and progressively arguing. Let's revel in the importance of discourse.
@@dustinheffker3524I didn't see it. The name calling is cable news. There's a difference of respect in a university debate vs a TV debate that runs as a show.
It’s funny because most socialist societies like hard-core socialist regimes you don’t get to determine what you do for work so yeah totally democratic.
CAPITALISM AND THE SO CALLED DEMOCRACY ARE THE BEST ASYLUM FOR THE RULERS, THE ELITES AND THE RICH TO LOOTING THE POOR IN THE NAME OF JUSTICE BUT IT IS A LURE FOR THE COMMON AND THE DENIED.
@@mcs106 capitalism is what made this country great. Communist socialism is what put a certain country that we all know, in the poor house. So I'll take capitalism for$ Alex.
@Orn Gorn Facism is right wing dude, it’s clearly right-wing. Part of the problem is that “right” and “left” are tricky to talk about, and it’s true that there are dangerous forms of extremism on both sides, but fascism tilts pretty heavily to the right in my view. If you think about fascism as a sliding scale, ordinary conservative politics is going to find itself somewhere on that scale - which is not to say that it’s fascist at all, any more than ordinary Democratic politics is communist. But just as extreme versions of communism suppress liberty on behalf of radical equality, so too do extreme versions of right-wing politics, namely fascism, suppress liberty in favor of tradition and dominance and power. Go look up the term fascism genius. Its all about power, you stupud motherfuckers on the right are braindead assholes that call the left names all day and then whine and act like the world ended when the left does it to you, and you know thats true, case and point: how you fuckheads constantly call everyone a communist on the left, gasp the communist wants my neighbor to struggle and get healthcare, how dare he.. And also, you guys (generally speaking so dont take it personal, im just throwing insults like you just did to this Jorge guy) are such fucking hypocrites. Case and point: crickets with Trump corruption but went insane over obama wearing a fuckin tan suit and eating mustard on a hot dog. EMBARRASSING. What I do love though is how you guys think the left is the tarnished political base but damn near EVERYONE knows its the right thats the pathetic base, and it really is obvious thats true, the public and the world sees the left as hippies and the right as crazy religious zealots that want to control your life. Your side has brainless idiots like steven crowder, change my mind pussy.
@@bertohead it goes back 500 years and was re-coined as anarchism in the 19th century by Pierre Proudhon. In the early 1970's, right wing fucking shitheads re-appropriated their ultra conservative, capitalist nastiness as Libertarianism. The Libertarian Party was born and anarcho-capitalism, a Franken-politic, was created. Libertarianism has always and will forever be anti-capitalist.
@@marioeid930 the fact insulin prices are the result of patent abuse, entire tracts of land are uninhabitable from mining, the fact we continue to have people living on the streets due to untreated mental illness or misfortune, or the fact entire generations now have their lives ruined because they had no savings and were underpaid when covid hit... or maybe how those that lived through the last Great Depression still save every last scrap of food like they have PTSD from starvation... nah none of that says capitalism is broken, nothing wrong with any of it.
@@Skyhawk656 i agree the system is corrupt. Definitely needs reform no doubt. School are part of the problem. I wouldnt be opposed to a new system entirely but socialism is not the answer
I think another big problem that gets over looked is the quality of people that bad economic circumstances create. A system ANY system is only as good as the people that run it
Classic debate of idealism vs reality, communism doesn’t work because it’s fundamentally flawed, that fundamental being that humans are inherently flawed, we are not robots or ants, we behave individually to a large extent, capitalism is superior in that it excepts that fact and works in accordance with this natural fact, that we are conscious beings that make conscious decisions based on insensitive and that values are subjective to change, also that part of being an individual we tend to want to do/achieve/work different jobs, communisms idea of equality is everyone has the same outcome (save for those who end up controlling the state lol), capitalisms idea of equality is everyone has the same opportunity to achieve their specific desires
@@brandonsolanes9217 People tend to want security and safety over most other things even if by wanting security, they actually make their circumstances less secure. For example, politicians pass vague anti-terrorism laws because people think it will make them safer. But then those politicians use those same laws to punish or intimidate people who threaten them, making everyone less safe. Or passing a law that makes it nearly impossible to fire someone, just means it becomes increasingly difficult to find someone prepared to hire you.
Communism (despite what intentions Marx had for it) became a tool used by aspiring dictators to manufacture consent (with the lie of equality) to break all hierarchies down so that in the power vacuum, the despots can take over. A stateless, classless society cannot exist in perpetuity as it is against human nature to not compete for resources, as you said. Our social behavior is more like hawks than doves, we're literally a predatory species. Capitalism is a hurdle for globalism since it allows for power to be distributed amongst various sources rather than a single one like government. Government is the original monopoly and despite crony capitalist negative externalities, it really is the best way to socially organize a predatory species in relative cooperation.
Slap that guy who asked the first question. Moderator: just ask question, no speeches or non question. 1st one on the mic: when I was a child I studied....
This debate is being appreciated so much simply because there is less emotional rhetoric, that is people not screaming on the top of their voice and making weird faces, and instead has more factual perpespectives.
Good note. I think it’s important for all people to understand that everyday people, capitalist or socialist, want to find ways to make a better world.
Kings did not argue that the surfs wouldnt want to go to meetings therefore they shouldn't make decisions lol, they didn't give a single fuck about them.
Oddly, Socialists spend all day on-line complaining about how their democratically elected governments are corrupt, but think if they elect their collectivist boss, their worker co-op won't also be corrupt.
@@bogdanzivkovic8711 The exact opposite is true, of course. Large collectives have more light shone on them. Small collectives are inevitably the most corrupt.
The reason it's so bad in the USA is not due to nature. It is due to there being no profit motive for universal healthcare and creating/maintaining an adequate stockpile of medical equipment and PPE. When the government turns everything over to private enterprise, including fundamental basic rights such as access to healthcare and the protection of healthcare workers, then a forseeable act of nature becomes a crisis. There's no profit to be made in the years where everything is OK. As you can clearly see there is a lot of loss associated with this event. Who pays for it all? The government. The people. If all is governed by simple profit motive then holes begin to form in the fabric of society. All these profit driven companies who run on zero margins because the profits are paid in the billions to a few people only function when everyone is working all the time. When that stops? They run to the government for money. The people's money. This is not nature. It's the failure of a system. What clearer picture do you need than the catastrophic failure of the health system, billions of dollars paid out to private enterprise almost immediately and people, THE PEOPLE WHO MAKE IT ALL WORK GETTING JUST $1200 TO LAST 2 MONTHS? This is not nature, it is the nature of neoconservative capitalism. Billion dollar businesses get hundreds of millions free of charge because they didn't follow the very basics of business. Always have 90 days cash on hand and 90 days in the bank. Every time it happens THEY GET PAID BY THE PEOPLE WHO PAY TAXES. THEY THEMSELVES AVOID TAXES AND THE PEOPLE WHO ARE DIENG, STARVING LOSING THEIR HOMES, JOBS, EVERYTHING? Well they get nothing. Or in this case$1200. One weeks median wage to last 2 months and nothing else as yet. By cheque, as though it's 1984. Billions transfered electronically to corporations yet the people have to wait for mail then wait 5 days for the bank to clear it. This is nature only in that it's the nature of capitalism to fail the society that serves it in order to maximise profits and run to society for a free handout, corporate welfare, when it fails that society. Need I go on? I doubt you even read this far.
@@darrishawks6033 he did get a little rude at the end.. but I agree a lot of people are saying that he's like the worst moderator ever and I don't think he's that bad.
Watching a debate where both parties respect each other’s views even though they disagree was fuckin refreshing. You don’t realize how informative a debate can be until there are no personal insults thrown around, absolutely fantastic 👏🏻👏🏻
Just watch "Firing Line with William F. Buckley" then. He had so many great guests on over the years. Allen Ginsburg to Ronald Reagan. Muhammad Ali but also Thomas Sowell. And in cases where Buckley agrees with the guest, he brings on a counterpoint to them, such as with Sowell where Buckley brings on a feminist to debate him. That's a funny one.
I'm not a libertarian but I got really pissed off when the moderator kept interupting Gene. Gene was very polite and even though I'm on the left I wanted to hear his point of view.
The left for the most part doesn't. Hench why people who speek against the left get talked over irl and banned from the regular internet. I appreciate your interest in hearing the other side though that's great.
@@noahpaulette1490 That's just a stereotype. There are plenty of douche bag right wingers that talk over people like Bill O'Reilly (pretty much everyone on Fox News) and Sargon of Burger King. Everyone should be willing to hear out the other side even if they end up disagreeing.
@@noahpaulette1490 the type of person who refuses to listen with an open mind to dissenting opinions isn’t just on one side. There are a near equal amount of people I’d guess on each side who make the choice to follow an ideology as opposed to listen and criticize and come to their own conclusions. Either way I think one thing all people who have half a brain agree on is there needs to be more interest and respect of dissenting opinions
@@liammccann6835 I would argue a lot more people on the large umbrella that is the right now are much more interested in descending opinion. although you do have a good point in saying that people on both sides will just fall in ideology because they will. You need to challenge yourself and improve your argument or change your mind if you don't you will become an idolog.
@@ExPwner My argument is easily provable by checking your channel and seeing that you still haven't done a debate. If it's on some other channel feel free to send a link.
@@mgsmemebook which side are you talking about because I’ll gladly back up either one. We need to both to keep in balance of social policy and free market capitalism
@@moralitycheck6715 look another intellectual. Do you have a thought of your own or you just like to watch the US propaganda machine and repeat whatever they say?
Dim Serious? Can I ask how much Bloomberg is paying you? Or is dim short for dim witted. You believe that our corporate news stations aren’t propaganda? Your name is perfect. Holy shit read a book bud. Try Manufacturing Consent by Chomsky. Start there and come back to me.
Covid didn't cause this. Government did. All of the socialist morons trying to say that this validates their ideology are idiots, through and through. For centuries capitalists have told people that government meddling in the economy causes problems and crashes. Yet in 1929, 2008 and now 2020 it's surprised Pikachu meme, as if their ideas weren't causing the problem.
@@ExPwner , I guess the government in the United States must be extremely incompetent. look at China. That's where the virus originated and yet they only have a handful of cases. The United States, on the other hand, they have only 4% of the world's population but over 25% of the covid cases and deaths.
@@michaelmappin1830 it is extremely incompetent, and that's why we should end it and instead have a capitalist approach to things like this. In the US, leaving it up to government meant that governors were ordering sick, COVID positive patients into nursing homes with the elderly who as we even knew then are the most vulnerable. It was also the FDA and other regulatory agencies which were slowing down the shipment of masks when people could have used them the most. Capitalist enterprises were ready to ship them but government got in the way. Then you also have governors shutting down the entire state when the best case for any shutdowns are in the biggest cities and NOT the entire state. I'm in one such lockdown state, and we've seen very little of this virus yet more problems from lockdowns than the virus itself.
@@ExPwner He mentioned China to highlight your government in generality argument moot. It is that you live under a CAPITALIST owned government that doesn't give a fuck about you and is also incompetent, in particular the most recent administration of Trump.
Except the financial crash was already being telegraphed well before we o ew covid even existed. If you go back to last year, half way through last year, to channels like Re Education and Beau of the Fifth Column, they break it down in a way that laypeople can understand- using the evidence provided by expert economists. But they warned of the coming downturn, and what regular people could do to prepare for it. So the crash was forecast well before covid. Covid incited it, perhaps a month or two before it would have happened, and it certainly made it worse than it otherwise would have been. But it would have happened anyway.
"Are there any womem in the audience wanting to make questions? Would be nice. "Oh, you gotta a man bun, thats close." Hahahahah he was having his time.
@@hugorezende199 I didn't like that first part, as if women couldn't speak for themselves. Are those women being suppressed from speaking? Or is that women are expect to have a varying opinion?
@@skysheep747 I think the audience was heavily male. This debate was sponsored by Reason Magazine, a right wing free market Libertarian organization. That kind of libertarian (as opposed to a left libertarian like Noam Chomsky) is heavily white male. Not all of course and I imagine the moderator was hoping to find some exceptions.
The thumbnail looks like Bernie Sanders vs Bernie Sanders
It’s actually Bernie vs Trump. Socialist vs capitalist
Smallhat v smallhat
Reuben Thomasson Lol you okay bro?
Its Bernie from Universe A versus Bernie from Universe B.
bernie sanders vs the demons in his head
We were accidentally on purpose not taught economics at school
We were
You learn that in college
Constant Christine Not necessarily and their are economics in high school but it is usually an AP course.
Big Bad Wolf you literally learn civics and economics in sophomore of your high school years
Big Bad Wolf nobody’s stopping you from reading books and educating yourself like everyone else. Btw a study showed that 60% of millionaires are self made and come from working class families. Also school isn’t meant to teach people how to become rich, it’s meant to teach people skills so that they can sell their labor in the market. You don’t need school to start a business
This beats watching two 17 year olds duet each other on TikTok
I just made the decision to put down TikTok and watch this
@@Namoomti it’s nice at first but ya eventually it’s good to put tik tok down and dive a little deeper
leave some respect for us mature ones 😭😂
@@varadhk3159 to be fair I’m only 18 so I don’t have room to talk, not hate to 17 year olds
Exactly lol I got tired of the same arguments over and over tiktok is a nice place to start though
Don't you just love it when people actually reason?
I don't care either way, to be perfectly honest...
@@Loquacious_JacksonBetter to scream at each other instead?
@@munkoman definitely more entertaining...
@@Loquacious_Jackson social media and other technology has really messed up our brains, we can't even watch important stuff like debates if they aren't super entertaining for us? Maybe entertainment isn't a requirement for enrichment, maybe our population doesn't need to be entertained 24/7
@@Loquacious_Jacksonwhy
Scroll down the comments to see a bunch of people not addressing any arguments made
Ironically like your text😉
Example: this comment.
Mr. Wolff offers nothing but rhetorical flourishes, strawmen, and conflation. What argument is there to address?
@aish b yeah, debates often do that.
Welcome to youtube comments!
A person that sounds like Bernie Sanders vs a person that looks like Bernie Sanders.
*both proceed to talk about Bernie Sanders*
Eastern Europe jews
😁😁😁😁
@Sepher Agon hahahahhahah what
@Sepher Agon no need to be rude, honey.
I just wish the rest of the mainstream media had these serious type of debates that way people could be properly educated and have real battles of opinion as opposed to just saying Venezuela or taxes
Yeah, but then that would make us educated. They don't want that.
I couldn't agree more. I'm about as far from an academic or intellectual as one could get, a truck driver as a matter or fact, and this was just like pure nourishment for my brain i was instantly so engaged i fired off 3 or 4 comments before Mr Wolf even finished his opening statement.lol My point is the gatekeepers think the average Joe has no interest in any sort of long form or in depth philosophical discussion/debate when that couldn't be further from the truth. These are the big ideas that will shape our future for better or worse and as a society we should be breaking them down, scrutinizing and re-scrutinizing them constantly from all sides n angles.
@@buckyflex1 Intellectualism is about sonder interest in the truth, not profession. I wouldn't make the assumption that a truck driver is incapable of being an intellectual. Frankly, discussion of important economic ideas *must* include the working class. That is the driving force behind Marxist ideology, whether you think economic systems should be capitalist or not. Frankly, I would prefer a capitalist system where some board chairs are just employee representatives, almost like a company parliament. The thing is, this might actually be less efficient than just having the government impose a required board structure. Conversation as to what the best form of the system would be is up for debate, but all stakeholders, including employees, should be considered.
Like what @blackearl7891 said, the msm has an agenda and it is not to educate the masses, and if they do, then they educate the masses to what they want you to think not what might be true
@@buckyflex1 vary true my frend
that moderator is the only thing i dont like about this debate
Right? Why does he keep rushing them? Aren’t they there to debate? So annoying
@@alexjulia4870 I can relate to that. The the moderator is really itching for attention, disgusting!
The moderator was definitely a douchebg.
bold agree
Disagree. Keep everything to the point. That way you get maximum information and minimal fluff. People like this cam debate the tiniest nuance for hours. The audience doesn't have hours.
The moderator thought everyone was there to listen to him
The moderator decided to channel a poor man’s Tony Montana from Scarface. 😂🤦🏼♀️
🗣🗣
@@ViaMirage cringe comment bro
Idiotic statement from the moderator indeed.
He’s a libertarian thought leader
I learned what capitalism and communism is only after I graduated high school.
Im learning about it right now in 12th grade lol
@@mystuff6045 definitely watch Richard wolffs stuff
Socialism and communism are two totally different from each other and barely any Americans even know that
Gimpzilla not totally different. All communist are pro socialism but not all socialist are pro communism. I do agree though a lot of people don’t know the difference.
Kenzz_mw yeah. Socialism is the community claiming the means of production, communism is the state.
*Don't let this comment distract you from the fact that mr krabs once sold spongebobs soul for 62 cents*
A true capitalist.
You didnt distract.... you brought this tragedy to my attention.
Spongebob and squidward need to seize the Krusty Krab. While Spongebob provides the labor for creating the burgers and squidward runs the front end of the business taking orders from the customers, the capitalist (pig) crab pockets the profit while giving the two workers a pittance. Nobody earns the value of their labor.
Obviously this is why spongebob and squidward live in squalor and discomfort next to Patrick, who literally lives under a rock, while the bourgeoise live elsewhere. Krabs justifies his profit because he procured the capital to create the restaurant and owns the formula, while actively doing nothing of value for his workers or his society. Plankton, meanwhile, is a reflection of the class struggle as he is ruthlessly outmatched at every turn due to the inherent inequality in the system.
Neither worker can “choose” to get another job because the reality of Bikini Bottom is that there aren’t any other reasonable options. Squidward obviously does not voluntarily wish to be there. There is a guise of individualism and self determination thrown over a flawed system. Unfortunately, as long as they can feel superior to Patrick, who is lower in society, they too believe they can one day be like Mr. Krabs.
YES, an argument for socialism. Finally
Dandelo what kind of bullshit is that? crabs built the whole restaurant, he owns it, it is his, the formula is his, spongebob and squidward would have nothing without him, he could replace spongebob and squidward but they can‘t replace the formula, i don‘t know if you are just joking or just a dumbass but there are more than enough dumbasses who would believe the bullshit you just wrote so i took it serious
Every comment I’ve read on this comment section refers to the respectful conduct both use throughout the debate. If that doesn’t highlight the depth the current political debate system has sunk to, don’t know what does…
Sad to see really
Sorry but no place for socialism in this world. You don’t know shit about anything if you disagree.
@@jcoxy1057 Can you tell me what socialism is?
@@decearingegg2320 2 months ago, looks like he couldnt, maybe for the better since he would probably answer with something like "socialism is communism" or "socialism is when no iphone or any innovation for that matter"
@@ghfgxijaorgf5393 It's brainwashing in the highest order when you hate something you don't even understand. They've just been told to hate it, and they do without explanation.
Can’t tell if anyone in the comments favors capitalism or socialism, just that they don’t like the moderator.
Edit: Shit 2k likes and 166 relies. Never had that happen thanks guys. Not that that means anything, but it feels good.
Lmao 🤣🤣
Hate, at the the of the day, is what unites. 🤣🤣
A mix of both ideologies seems to be preferable.
@@applesnpears9828 The issue is the people with power they do not allow reform or give us the bare minimum. Government is protecting private interests over the madnesses, our capitalist society is not democratic it’s just a mess. Even the markets are bullshit now. So many issues with our systems today. If anyone here does favour capitalism I think even they would admit our market is definitely not free. Currently trying to learn the best approach to make things better.
@@applesnpears9828 congratulations you’ve come full circle and arrived at FDRs new deal
Socialism here. Was on the fence until the capitalist guy started talking s*** about the socialist rather than keeping it on the subject
Timestamps
0:00 Intro
0:41 Welcome and Rules Layout
2:20 Socialist Opening
20:06 Capitalist Opening
38:24 Socialist Rebuttal
43:40 Capitalist Rebuttal
49:17 Q&A
1:23:53 Socialist Closing
1:31:21 Capitalist Closing
1:38:35 Final Results
Like so others can see!
ok got it, thanks for the effort man, you are a blessing to the viewers of this video.👍🏻
Thanks
Thanks man.
Bless you
Wow all of a sudden I feel like a hero for taking like 10 minutes to scrub through this video
POV: You're here looking for valid arguments and just seeing everyone hate the Mod
the mod really shouldn't have that job though lol
CAPITALISM AND THE SO CALLED DEMOCRACY ARE THE BEST ASYLUM FOR THE RULERS, THE ELITES AND THE RICH TO LOOTING THE POOR IN THE NAME OF JUSTICE BUT IT IS A LURE FOR THE COMMON AND THE DENIED.
@@mcs106 oh shut up
@@arpitabrahmachari7649 he's right...heter
@@theamericanspirit8590 Mohammed's statement was completely out of place, like he was just hijacking a top comment. Doesn't matter whether he was right, he shouldn't have said it here.
Great debate from two extremely interesting men, even a terrible moderator who struggled to hide his own bias couldn't ruin it
who was he bias towards?
@@ksyssl1 The moderator is literally rimming the capitalist asses bud:]
@@ksyssl1capitalism
@@jayvboothProbably towards reality. But I’ll see.
@@DrivenA111you hadn’t even listened when you made the assertion his bias to capitalism was realism 😭 brother you have a bias.
In the interests of having a smooth running discussion while minimizing interruption, can we all agree that Nick Gilespie should never run a debate again?
Absolutely. He has time to crack jokes, then won't allow people asking questions to make a single statement to add context to their question. It's the Nick Gillespie show here. This isn't a debate. It's the Nick Gillespie show.
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MARXISM, COMMUNISM AND SOCIALISM ARE PRODUCTS JUST LIKE CAPITALISM. MARXISM, COMMUNISM AND SOCIALISM PRODUCTS ALL MARKETED TO YOU AS FREE CANDY AND ARE SUPER ATTRACTIVE TO SUFFERING PEOPLE. SOCIALISTS ARE THE BEST SNAKE OIL CAPITALISTS OF ALL TIME. YOU END UP GIVING UP ALL YOUR FREEDOMS AND ALL YOUR BRAIN FUNCTIONS UP FOR ONE CRAP PRODUCT THAT DOES NOT EVEN EXIST - (FREE STUFF). CAPITALISTS ONLY THRIVE WHEN THEY GET WHAT HELPS! HOWEVER, YOU ONLY HAVE TO BUY WHAT YOU NEED. CAPITALISM REQUIRES REAL LIFE EXPERIENCE AND EFFORT AND FULL FREEDOM TO THINK AND TO SEE THE SNAKE OIL SALESMAN AS HE APPROACHES YOU. YOU THEN CAN REMOVE THEM FROM EXISTENCE NOT THOUGH VIOLENCE BUT BY NOT BUYING. THE SNAKE OILMAN COMES IN MANY FORMS. YOU NEED TO LIVE FREE TO FIND THEM!
i was laughting on the fist question , the dude talked too much and tried too much to build a context.
But then Nick just tried to land some jokes just like that "man bum" joke, moments that he makes it more confusing and odd (i did laught about the joke).
Best line of this debate, "Don't let school get in the way of your education."
- Mark Twain.
Lol, everyone is a moron here.
@@katalinas9264 love Mark Twain
@@dirtydingusmcgee8926 ditto
I haven't let school get in the way of my education, and I have learned that socialism is one of the most vile ideologies on the planet. It is responsible for the murder of over 100,000,000 million innocent people,and has oppressed billions.
Need more of theses debates, intelligent people using facts to argue there point and not dummies screaming at each other like monkeys
Wolff doesn't really make any sort of point though...
The gist of his whole argument is 'I want something else'
But the thing he wants is already that we already have...?
He just wants to force it onto everyone I guess...?
He doesn't make anything close to a technical economic argument this whole debate.
Not to mention that almost all of his 'points' about capitalism can be refuted by just silently pointing at Scandinavia...
Eros well Wolff’s whole argument is based on the whole Marxist idea that workers are exploited by wage labor.
But we can look at Scandinavia and see some of the most most egalitarian and successful advanced economies of all time. Some of the highest GINIs, best economic mobility. All the social programs you could imagine...
These are mixed ‘capitalist’ economies..
Free markets, large private, for profit sectors. This private sector and the growth it brings can be taxed to support social programs.
Wolff’s whole argument that ‘capitalism’ is inherently exploitive doesn’t really stand up to common sense economics.
At least domestically. Internationally is another long discussion to have.
John Proctor labor isn’t the only input of production. Labor is important but not necessarily all that important in many companies.
We can talk utopia all day and use that as a framework to criticize the current system.
But ‘workers DESERVE to be paid their average product of labor or it’s EXPLOITATION’ is a pretty dumb oversimplified starting off point.
John Proctor ‘some owners treated their slaves well and taught them to read’
You missed the entire point...
As I said...the most advanced, economically mobile, richest, egalitarian system OF ALL TIME...
That’s an achievement bud...
But you just whine that it’s not good enough because of some flawed and oversimplified philosophy about 'exploitation' and baselessly compare it to slavery.
Does it go to ANYWHERE? they have debated this since forever
I can really appreciate a healthy debate and open dialogue.
Moderator "I'm going to be a nazi"
First person to ask a question " hello I am from Germany" lmfao
and then he tells him to shut up lmao
I thought I was the only one who caught that lol
Can you post the mark point lmao
@@reddseth9733 Golddddd
@@czvkxo I believe it’s 49:00
"don't let school get in the way of your education" - love it!
Mark Twain
dont let corona stop your education at home it is better to learn at home then to go to school and be exposed to the virus high school kids get the virus and a 12 year old died of it so it is saying even a toddler can get it your kids are to precious to let go to school love them while you can all you can and keep them safe and at home college can be done online just like grade school i rather be doing this for my kids would,nt you take care everybody and for all of you just so you know mega dosing vitamin c will help clear out phmonia
Mark Twain with brilliant!
Brilliant
you get qualifications in school, true education comes from living life
Moderator: Let's stay on topic! (makes a joke about a guy's man bun)
Guy: Yeah my man bun is-
Moderator: STAY ON TOPIC!
lmao!
That was annoying
I bet you are a fan of William Lane Craig
@@mdbahrozbaburali What an amazingly accurate "guess" 😛
@@Vic2point0 actually I found you yo be the only defender of him in a video related to his debate with Seam Carroll. I admire William Lane Craig a lott. He is one of the best intellectuals i have ever had the privilege to listen to.
This is just two different versions of Bernie Sanders from alternate realities
All doctors of economics around the same age so lol
Bernie sanders and Joe Biden said that Socialism is found on Surplus and there are all kinds of surplus American government hoards stuff in warehouses and they call this surplus there are many many many kinds and they were talking about giving it away where you always save more money so much junk the government hoards
it is like matter v anti matter economics the thing is Bernie said that it is provided by surplus and so did little Joe Joe is not all together to be able to lead he should be removed from the election before he causes any more harm to America or himself and or others
It's actually the Bernie Sanders from our reality but split in half
Wolf is the biggest pseudo economist I’ve heard from Harvard tbh
"This moderator was terrible"
Capitalist bootlickers 🤝 Socialists
Lmfao I love how I know what meme you’re referring to
@@Htiy Memes transcend language.
He was absolutely horrible. I was screaming at the screen “shut the fuck up”z
The fucking moderator asked a question
A person that sounds like Bernie Sanders vs a person that looks like Bernie Sanders.
Always hate when a moderator injects themselves into a debate to this extent
Agree!
same here!!! if he wanted to ask he must cue up!!! 😡😡
You should have a look at debates in Indian News channel, where the moderator comes with his own agenda of spreading communal hatred.
Specific suggestions: Arnab Goswami debates (News Channel: Republic India)
Have a look at any of his debate and you'll know the sorry state of Indian news media.
@Bob G most commies do
He's the instigator
This is what a debate sounds like. The crap we are used to on television is not.
Nothing on television is good anymore.
"in the age of the internet, dont let school get in the way of your education."
professor wolf absolutely won and destroyed his opponent in this debate, but that quote from his opponent here is very telling.
@@Azerath2 no he didn't you dumbass. He lost the debate in every way. He lost the vote count and he didn't have one coherent argument. He lied the whole way through. Attributing war to capitalism, making bogus claims about wages and poverty....all lies.
@@Azerath2 , not only did Epstein not have a valid counterargument, he ended up agreeing with wolf most of the time. How can anyone in their right mind argue against workers owning and controlling their own labour and resources? Obviously worker cooperatives keep more wealth and control with the communities and the workers. That means greater purchasing power for the community. It makes communities less dependant on government and billionaire corporations when it comes to jobs and consumer goods. The workers are doing their own work rather than someone else's.
@@ExPwner that vote was from right winged people. Stop calling people dumb. unless you're looking in the MIRROR
@Me Super not an argument, fucktard.
What I learned from this: All socialists look like Bernie Sanders.
Thomas Sankara, a black man: *visible confusion*
@@rockstarskolas it is simply called... a joke
Too bad bernie isnt one😅
@@liampremo6798 then what is he
@@jb8785 simply a social democrat. For all the fear mongering that he would end capitalism... He would actually preserve/save it. The same way fdr did.
Imagine if US had a presidential debate this clean..
may be in our dreams. US Presidents are very far from this caliber of intellectualism lol
*we
That couldve happened if trump wasnt one of the debaters
@@alextrainor2552 oh yeah because Biden’s decomposing brain connections wasn’t it?? 🤣
@@alextrainor2552 Trump 2024 baby!! USA 🇺🇸
I am from Uganda, thanks to the participants for their debate. It has given us a new direction in the reasoning of ideas.
Yes
A Ugandan here too
What do Ugandans generally think about Communism?
@@tickbrick1 we love it
The thing that struck me the most throughout the debate, is how two people with vehemently opposing views, respected each other, actively listened and could engage in heated conversation, without resorting to petty insults and underhandedness. They both remained lazer focused throughout and even managed to find some common ground. In parts of the debate they stood up and protected the others right to speak and be heard, when heckled by audience members.
A lack of civility and the inability to respect a political opponent in this way, is perhaps the greatest threat to modern democracy, politics and freedom of expression we currently face.
This is what serious people sound like. Very different from our world leaders isnt it?
Socialism is the greatest threat to democracy and freedom of expression we face today.
goood
I wonder how old politicians go to sleep peacefully everyday inthis day and age when so many people are afraid and hungry everyday. It is is so sad. And they all want to be humanitarians while killings of innocents go on and on everyday.
They serve the same boss ( globaliste s) against a common ennemi which is the people.
Gene Epstein begins with an apology to Richard Wolff for an earlier outburst, he subsequently transitions into a critique that personalizes the concept of socialism to Wolff’s interpretations, rather than addressing the ideology in a broader sense. This strategy subtly shifts the debate from a general discussion to a more personal critique, which could be perceived as a nuanced form of personalization that edges towards underhanded critique, albeit within the bounds of formal respect.
EDIT: Yeah... Gene is literally attacking Richard's character and whenever he touches on the primary subject he just gives examples of all the current problems we are living with...
I've never seen a man debate himself before.
Masdebation
@@Liveitlarge247 Mass Debate
@Eric Cartman seconded
Liam H are you from Boston?
What you're seeing there is someone being as honest as he can in his beliefs. Which is odd yes.
Don’t let school get in the way of your education
Was it Mark Twain who said that?
@@grammagranski8095 obviously
@@faressalih7253 to be honest
u dont need to go to school to learn capitalism
it needs experience and ambition
Growing up in the 90 definitely didn’t learn about untill deep in my 30’s and yes that is sad.
@@michaeljosephjackson2364 It would be nice especially being blk and not knowing how the world wrks.
Moderator's more interested in being funny than being good at his job.
Agree. Pretending to be all about keeping things on schedule while wasting time throughout with his distracting smarmy comments. Needs to learn to check his ego at the door, and that he's not as funny or charismatic as he thinks he is. Remarkably stupid comment about Bernie Sanders too which led to another big waste of time. Worst kind of moderator.
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@MajorLeague yep. Socialism sucks ass and always has.
@@ExPwner ??? lmao USA is a mixed economy that embodies socialism...
@@jamez3875 wat?
It was good to hear a debate about capitalism vs socialism without having a broadcaster pushing their agenda, and also seeing the two people debating let each other talk. Very interesting!
It was good, and the Capitalism’s argument was full of strawmaning. For example, the hypothetical about a socialist party winning the majority of votes of the ballot box, then introducing full blown socialism overnight.
However, Socialism’s argument included the history of the process of Capitalism, it was not an overnight change from Faudism but a centuries long process. Just logically, that’s exactly how most ideas come to fruition. So it’s a bit of a strawman argument from Capitalism, which raises questions about integrity and trustworthiness.
@@mr12aT This debate was about socialism vs capitalism. But all that wolff was arguing was about why capitalism is so bad, that it is unstable, that and that. He never once presented the benefits of socialism. The capitalism guy literally said capitalism is not perfect and he listed the disadvantages, he said we should be careful with capitalism, and also talked about the benefits. Wolf never one talked about the benefits of socialism only why capitalism is bad. He did not talk about the disadvantages of socialism.
If someone tries to sell me a car and all he does is criticizing my current car, without talking about the the functionality of the new car,. I know he talks bullshit and he knows that too, and is just trying to con me. I never trust people that only talk about the disadvantages of the product, system, person, that they don't like without actually talking about what he is offering.
I honestly have no idea what kind of system wolff offers, i only know what kind of system he hates and that is not what this debate was about.
@@pElisei Taxation, for any purpose, is literally theft via extortion. On the other hand, it is a myth that capitalism is a meritocracy. They are both completely wrong.
Taxation is cannibalism.
Capitalism is a grotesque game of musical chairs, in which 99 percent lose, then propaganda attempts to get them to blame themselves.
Socialism is parasitism, plain and simple. It works until you run out of victims to tax. socialist propaganda encourages the cannibals to murder and gorge, until there are no more John Galts to murder.
@@noneone8726 There has to be a balance. A pure capitalist system leads to monopolies a pure socialist system leads to dictatorship. The best economies have the freest markets... look at singapore, switzerland, sweden and all nordic countries. Their markets are highest freedom of economy index, no minimum wage. Singapore has 0% tax and has one of the best economies.
It has to be a balance. There has to be regulations and i think Unions are important to keep in check companies
I only posted my comment on the video because i was really pissed that all wolff did was criticize capitalism. He did not even talk about socialism. Only spout anti capitalist propaganda.
There was no straw man from Gene and capitalism does NOT lead to monopoly. My God, it’s always dumbass talking points.
They should have unionized against the moderator
Police unions are the reason corrupt officers always get paid leave and rarely fired.
Maybe he is mad because the 30 seconds he mentioned are not relevant? I did not notice nothing related to that
MrIHadToDoIt a good example of why not all unions are good. In this example, it gives undue to power to police, who are not working class. Their relationship to economic production is enforcement of the laws instituted by the ruling class (private capital). Unions are beneficial for the working class to collectively bargain, aka to have any chance at bargaining at all instead of simply being fired for asking for more equality. The purpose of the police union is to shield cops from the consequences of their unlawful behavior, which is disproportionately used to afflict the working class
Yes, thank you.
Bah! Socialism! They should have simply outcompeted him in the marketplace.
South Korea/North Korea - East Germany/West Germany - Hong Kong/China- China/ Taiwan
Yeah, barely Communist. And all Sabotagdd in one way or another.
And ofc countrys you know little about. Also: Cuba? Hello?
All great examples of the failure of Marxism and the superiority of Capitalism
@@slevinchannel7589 Cuba is a shithole buddy.
The constant excuse is "not the way we want to do it."
@slevinchannel7589 yeah, sabotaged by communism. The first goal of Marxism is to destroy an economy in order to replace it. And communism is a lot like Tolkiens evil, they can only spend not create.
This is way more formal and properly conducted than last year's presidential debate.
of course, because these guys are competing for a position
crazy how unintelligent our candidates for president typically are
That's because these two are fundamentally different in philosophy were as Dems and Republicans are essentially identical save a few social positions.
That debate was kind of a low bar, I think. ;)
We should stop with the whole politicians business it's a joke.
Rarely we see both those in the side of socialism and capitalism in so much agreement, we both find this moderator annoying.
@Larry Riffett You're an idiot.
Solidarity 👊
@@wackoyacko4541 and me
@Larry Riffett wait, if Libertarians are Socialists, who are actually Capitalists? AnCaps only or what?
@Larry Riffett I'm sorry what?
"If it's too difficult for you to hear me out, then it's a sign that I'm getting to you." Legendary.
Any idea what the bloke yelled out?
"Stop complaining"
Sorry, he said "stop whining" I don't understand the other part.
So true, so sad.
@@titantron5840 his mind will never change unfortunately
Now this is the kind of debate i like watching. Clear, audible, to the point. Not those screaming matches where you dont get the point across just the voice and the constant jumping in or cutting off to get on the other's nerves and cutting them off mid sentence.
Moderator makes fun of audience member's appearance. Juvenile and insulting behavior meant to intimidate and demean.
The fuck
right? very inappropriate
What should you care if it is meant to intimidate and demean, ultimately it is your own choice if you choose to let those words resonate within you or not.
I think it was meant to be funny rather than demeaning. It was definitely in poor taste and insulting/demeaning even if that wasn’t the intent though. This moderator is terrible.
Lol yeah. He is typical of certain type of libertarians.. Did you see his dressing sense. He literally wears that jacket to each interview.
A certain type of libertarians are just immature people.
Why can't debates be like this. Well informed and civil. Not teenagers yelling at eachother on tiktok.
It wouldent be entertaining in my humble opinion .Part of politics is the theatrics, its how people some times get engaged in the moment.
How dare you age-shame teenagers, with their vast wisdom and lived-experiences! Alert twitter and the media, you must be cancelled immediately.😆
Why you even expect anything super productive out of teenagers is beyond me. But what also eludes me, is why you don’t acknowledge that these old souls were, at some point, those young teenagers. We all start somewhere.
I don’t think you should expect much out of tiktok debaters, but also don’t shame them. They’ll mature eventually.
I wouldn't know. I'm not stupid enough to watch tiktok. I believe these men are considered experts in their subject. Kids on tiktok are just mimicking what they heard in class that day from the cool teacher.
@@kallioperobling3359 Unfortunately we live in a world where people make content on other people's content, so you occasionally see ticktok post reposted on youtube.
Destiny got destroyed in this debate
Vaush got destroyed in this debate.
cultural catholic bruh
Dr Ninja JF got divorced in this debate
Please tell me you're being ironic with that choice of words.
@@AmateurContendr It's a meme
He sold Capitalism pretty good.
It's when you point at the weaknesses of a system and marvel at them and consider them a feature that for some reason it stops sounding unappealing and instead something to be appreciative of.
nonsense, I dont think regular recession and wars from competition is intersting
@@eghitdegreehugrhurricane Something isn't "nonsense" because it hurts your feelings. 🤣
@@eghitdegreehugrhurricane
Socialism/ communism is a permanent recession and there is no competition which is why there is no choice.
@@shani5345you just described capitalism, the monopolization of capital can't be regularized in a true capitalist society.
5 Company's practically control everything we see and consume, the difference is that under capitalism they brainwash you to think you're "free".
@@shani5345yes let me choose among 3 different brands of the same thing, i feel so free!
When the comment section is praising both sides for having a good debate and not breaking out into arguments, you know it had to be good
Too late, the communists are in force here and buthurt now.
@@janehrahan5116 You seem like the only one butt hurt Jane. Take your partisan politics elsewhere
@@kiwikiwi2483 he's actually right. Michael Mappin the paid shill has been spamming commmunist propaganda for over a year on this video. He's paid to support Richard Wolff and this is shown by the fact that they spams every Richard Wolff video he finds with copy/paste script full of false and misleading information.
@@ExPwner I didn't find this Michael Mappin comment anywhere. So again, I will ask the both of you to take your ignorance and political bias elsewhere and let the logical people enjoy a civil debate for once.
@@kiwikiwi2483 sort comments by new and look at the replies. He's been responding to practically every comment for over a year solid and he does it from a script.
I've not once been ignorant. I've been plenty logical.
So you’re telling me they aren’t the same person
they are both so adorable I'm sorry haha
😂😂😂😂😂
It wasn't really live. The same actor played both characters. Have you seen the parent trap? Its like that. You're welcome.
"Yes, what is your question?"
"Well, I-"
"ALRIGHT, THANK YOU, THAT'S ENOUGH."
😂😂😂.
Majority of the engines (employees) who are behind World production of goods and services are abused and ripped off under the guise of capitalism. Man eat man society.
@@abdullahiibrahim1785 Lol You are mistaking the majority with the minority like Lenin did in the past.
@@sealking3838 unsubstantiated claim. also, abdullahi is not Lenin. not all socialists are the same. we have disagreements about what socialism should be.
Lmao
Very interesting debate. I too wish we had more of this, for many many other topics as well.
I feel like you should probably include the names of the debaters in the title. Seems a little odd not to.
The concept of debate is new to you.
@@billfargo9616 What are you talking about
would u really want youtube to demonotized and de rank this videos more...
@The Cheap Investor that's mr dr wilf to you
Perhaps the search can pick up on what is in the description which does contain their names? Not sure how youtube works but a quick google search of their names with the word debate brought it up nicely.
I imagine the clickbaity title, which drew me in, does its job well
Either way you lean on this issue, there’s no Reason to have Nick Gillespie moderate another debate ever again.
Such a straw man
Yeah, the first audience question was very poorly mishandled. He also didn't structure the debate as he outlined at the beginning with statements, rebuttal, and then Moderator Questions. I think he just got too antsy and rushed into the audience questions
@jamee boss Capitalism: you made these chips but I own the chip brand so I take 90% of your labour
@@Bolizen +Uncle Sam = I need YOU! To give up 25% of your income!
Municipality + State take 10%
Down to 6.5% of the profit for the product made 100% by you.
Now, depending where you live, you must spend some on the side, to spend any on goods.
@@Bolizen Capitalism: the worker chooses which company to go and make chips. If he doesn't like the boss he can leave at any time.
Socialism: everybody is forced to make chips and give it away to be distributed
"Two young men in the prime of their lives". There is a poem in Persian which says: "توانا بود هرکه دانا بود، ز دانش دل پیر برنا بود", meaning, "Mighty is he who has knowledge; from knowledge the old heart becomes young."
Not just the heart, but the mind as well.
i thought it was a mistake at first. lol
Beautiful, thanks for sharing that!
ولی حقیقتا بعضی وقتا ز دانش دل برنا پیر بُود ! هرچی بیشتر از اتفاقای کثیفی که تو این دنیا داره میفته میفهمی بیشتر زجر میکشی و این کافیه تا تو اوج جوونی پیرت کنه.
It's great! I have always wonder how many things we're missing by ignoring foreign authors.
Jacque has a community in Flordia and he gave tours of the community and explained how his no monetary system worked. He had futuristic homes he designed.
"If it's too difficult to hear me out, it's a sign that I'm getting to you."
Ouch, professor.
Whoa, rhetorical skill!
What did the guy say?
Wolffe don't play!! 👍♥️🤣😂🤣
@@BOOMProductionsVIDs "stop whining"
Sounded like the dude just wanted to get kicked out. Because I would've laughed at his dumbass while kicking him out
" I freed a thousand slaves I could've freed a thousand more if only they knew they were slaves" Harriet Tubman
Love the sentiment, too bad she didn't say that
employment is nothing more then being a wage slave warren buffet said something like this on you tube but hell the highest paid baseball player in MLB is getting paid $500.000.000 that is some blessing from slavery and the second highest paid MLB player is getting $250.000.000 still some blessing from slavery and now they are talking reparations from sports teams ,and ice cube is talking about the movie business owing them reparations when they get millions of dollars to act in a movie like barber ship and that sure is not beating on him that sure been blessing him real good with millions of dollars and greed and philosophy are nothing more then criminal narcissism Obama is the same way and this is all mafia trying to use and abuse the past as much they can to exploit white people for the past after all that has changed since Dr king and it is never enough milk everyone for all you can get hell even MCDONALDS is a financial blessing to all those who work there it sure beats the he3ll out of social security
@@michaelregan4409 Why is getting a wage equal to slavery?
@@hasaniwu there is a old term that Lincoln started and that was Wage Slave a nd it is anyone who works for a wage and the term later turned into employee and the owners became employer not master because we got free will to work for the individual now
@@hasaniwu Because yes people are getting wages, however the amount they are receiving is too inefficient. This forces them to increase work time. Ultimately, a massive amount of people are spending more time working than they are fulfilling their passions.
Wolf contradicted himself the entire debate
can we all democratically vote to eject the moderator into space?
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for lunch. But the moderator does suck, instead can we write a letter to the representative who employees him?
Davin S I wish no harm, even to those who may seemingly deserve it. There are things I suck at much like how this moderator sucks at moderating . “I have spoken.... “ lol
Honestly that dude is such a pretentious prick
The speakers are great !
@rob see Gene Epstein said on the Tom Woods podcast that he had asked the mod in advance to be biased in favor of the proposition. That way his victory could not be disputed.
The moderator is disrespectful, sarcastic, and lacks credibility to moderate a debate.
the moderator is paid by the chinese communist party and isn a traitor to democracy, freedom and America like the rest of the corrupt american academia eleitists/leftists.
He showed up wearing a leather jacket😂
I'm sorry that your education was incomplete, but this is what happens when education is optional, and at personal expense. Those without any curiosity spew ignorance as fact.
Loser George, you're an ignorant fool.
Enjoy your dystopia.
I disagree. I was grateful that he disallowed preambles to questions. I, too, don't care about the questioner's name or background. Get to the question! Maybe we'll have time for more questions that way.
@@JimLockett Turd eater. Shove communism up your sorry arse. Communism is not just a false and evil ideology, but goes well beyond any dystopian worldview. It has faled miseraly every time it was tried out, in all parts of the world. karl Marx was an ignorant fool, an imbecile a, a fraud and a liar, like all communists that follow his limping steps. Communism is immoral, anti-human, dishonest, intolerant and the supreme manifestation of ignorance and stupidity, Only retards, liars, douchebags and criminals endorse communism.
People in the comments are like: the debate was so good there’s no need for us to join it
Socialism got debunked, what else is there?
Literal robots lol
I'd Argue we need a referee
There's nothing stopping people from saying fallacies, throwing tantrums, calling each others names and so on
I am certain that I am now dumber for having listened to Richard Wolff.
@@FidgetyGuy you are correct... and so am I.... Vote for Pedro
It's always baffling watching so smart people talk and debate. Congratulations!
I hope the moderator learns from this debate. He was terrible
Exactly what I came here to say. I get that he wants to keep the questions straight to the point but he always has to have the last word or make a “witty” comment and expect the person not to acknowledge/respond to it.
He’s auditioning for a role in “Grease”
I severely disliked the moderator's self-importance and how he treated the audience
I think he checked himself out in a mirror before the debate and thought, "Holy Cow! I look like Tony Montana in 'Scarface.' I think I've got my character figured out, now!"
Yes, he definitely channeled a poor man’s Tony Montana. 🤦🏼♀️
@@ViaMirage "Say hello to annoying, leather-clad swagger!"
@@TheStockwell “Who put this thing together? Me, that’s who! Who do I trust? Me!” 😂
@@ViaMirage It's like they say in the concert hall: no matter how good the conductor is, he shouldn't take credit for writing the Beethoven Ninth.
"I'm gonna be a Nazi" - The Moronic Debate Moderator
and he interrupts the guests to make silly comments... this guy shouldn't work as a debate moderator at all
It was a foolish attempt at humor, characterizing Nazis as simply rule enforcers, and then humorously taking on that affectation as a moderator. It left a bad taste in my mouth.
@@markh7915 Nazis generally don't like the word Nazi...
This beats watching two 17 year olds duet each other on TikTok
@@amosbackstrom5366 its not that they dont like the word. Its more that they know it'll get a guaranteed negative response which makes it harder for them to radicalize people
Refreshing to see a debate where both sides understand each other and have enough time to speak unlike political debates which feel rushed and unprepared
It’s crazy to think that as a graduate student in the United States, I can say I have never been taught anything about any of this in my grade school years.
it wasant taught directly, but youve become a socialist without knowing it.
@@raskeltv8882 Yeah because grade school you don't learn what those in power don't want you to. Uni is where you start learning about the dark side of capitalism.
I'm in high school right now and sadly I see it everywhere, schools nowadays tend to paint America as the bad guys in every single situation possible
@@cowfwee6634 because we are the bad guy welcome to the party!
@@cowfwee6634 That's because USA is the bad guys
Why are there so many debates with awesome guests and terrible moderators?
That's when you know it's a controlled debate with bias.
Well, one awesome guest. The other one is nearly senile.
Everyone knows that moderators so it does the control and perceived power not the money. It’s a mindset.
Because a debaters job is to make themselves and their positions look better. A moderators job is not to make themselves look good, but to challenge the debaters to be understood, which both supporters of either side can agree to dislike because a challenge feels like an attack to a partisan.
Fear.
Den of libertarians. I commend them on having the courage to give Richard Wolfe a platform.
@Virgil Kemp "Socialists are envious, violent beta", lot of projections
@Virgil Kemp you must be one of them " peaceful alphas" then, no?
Libertarians value freedom of speech. I would argue that inviting Wolff to the debate has little to do with courage, but more of an exercise of their values.
@@wallycheladyn1190 if they are giving him a platform strictly as a meaningless exercise of their "values" then I agree it has nothing to do with courage. Nor in my opinion is their any value in their empty tribute to "free speech." If on the other hand they were actually attempting to listen his ideas with open minds as I suspect they were then I commend their courage.
@Virgil Kemp Libertarians do not have any free will or free thought nor a critical mind, they just want to feel good about themselves when they take easy and conforming ways. This is why this slimy economist agreed so much with Wolff but cherrypicked things as usual. They are all sophists. To them, the truth does not matter, what truly matters is the perception of the people who listen to them. Do people buy their arguments or not? What and how should they say and represent it so that others would buy their arguments? These are the most important questions to rightwing economic "radicals".
and you are never born an "individual" but become one. If you buy an iphone and play cherrycrush on it then how would I think of you as someone "unique"? Free will is an illusion in which we have to believe in order to sustain ourselves till we die.
Was there ever a sequel to this debate where time wasn't an issue!?
BTW, thanks for posting!
geez, 100 minutes of subtitled debate, whoever had to do that, thanks!
@Oplitis Λ No, somebody else did that. Subtitles are too good for automatic.
@@smuu1996 Maybe someone. But Voice recognition has gotten scarily good
Probably 95% voice recognition, 5% someone replacing a mistake
“Please keep your questions short”
“Hello, allow me to explain my whole life story”
"Just one question please"
"Okay here are my questions"
"Dark humour is like health care, not everyone gets it" - USA ua-cam.com/video/bEJGL8kDjc0/v-deo.html Watching this on the most capitalistic medium ever.
@@jamshaqtv3039 awesome
I love how the opposition speaker apologized for the monkeys outburst. This is how humanity should operate. No matter what your stance is
If you really believe what you’re saying, you wouldn’t call him a monkey.
@@thepoolb0y if you really read what I said, I never said anything about nor insulting people hahaha. I’m not interrupting an open debate by two people who have respect for one another. You can try again though;)
@@thepoolb0y **ball dropped…**
Does anyone know what the heckler even said?
@@theavocado6061 I think he said “I don’t want it” then “I don’t want to hear it” or I can’t hear it.”
What I learned. "Socialism hasn't worked because of mean capitalists."
I mean yeah… the whole cold war was capitalism subduing communism
Unbelievably true. If Socialism was a stable and flourishing economic platform it wouldn't struggle against capitalist embargo and criticism.
@@DMTKart64 laughs in North Vietnam
@@Notpresent-1 North Vietnam received constant military support from the Chinese and other SE Asian dictatorships. While Western manpower in the South was nowhere near as much. As a matter of fact, foreign support in south Vietnam have lost few battles and managed to hold off the VC. It was political instability that caused the demise of democratic Vietnam. The wars outcome had nothing to do with which economic system was better than the other.
@@DMTKart64 Valid point
Great debate. I didn't really like the very last speech since it went back to stereotyping. But besides that it was pretty epic. I learned a lot.
First dude asking a question got the nerve to give a speech literally 5 seconds after being told not to. Respect the rules
It was part of his question…
@@hamzael5969 i think it was just his ego in the way
the capitalist opening got 17 minutes as well dude wym
@@gmobile6991 I believe they were talking about the German man who was the first of the audience to ask the debators a question
Was hoping I wasn’t the only one who noticed that.
This moderator needs to moderate himself first and foremost.
Epstein is awful, too. Laughing in a monopolised, bought out society at person that points out that profits do not reach workers.
@@MrSp0iler wrong. The benefits of capitalism absolutely do reach workers, dumbass.
James Adams That’s why wages have risen steadily with the productivity, right? Oh whoops, looks like not. Well at least the cost of living is much lower than it was 30 years ago. Oh shit hold on, not that one either. If nothing else, education is cheaper so that everyone can pursue their dreams. so forth and so forth. where are these benefits of capitalism, James?
@@ashtheswan705 and here are the prices of goods and services largely going down over time too, dumbass.
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Now fuck off until you've educated yourself properly.
@@violarulez way to prove that you didn't read any of it.
I love how it doesn't descend into petty name calling-- they're actually talking and progressively arguing. Let's revel in the importance of discourse.
Ehhh, the socialist debater did do some cheap shots.
They’re professors, this isn’t a twitch debate lol
Jews debating Jews and defining the shape of the box of allowable discourse. F**k these people.
@@dustinheffker3524I didn't see it. The name calling is cable news. There's a difference of respect in a university debate vs a TV debate that runs as a show.
❤very informative
It’s funny because most socialist societies like hard-core socialist regimes you don’t get to determine what you do for work so yeah totally democratic.
Democratic means you elect someone to rule over you. You get no say in what happens to you after the election.
I wonder if the moderator watched this and realized nothing he said was funny, and just made him look like a jerk.
CAPITALISM AND THE SO CALLED DEMOCRACY ARE THE BEST ASYLUM FOR THE RULERS, THE ELITES AND THE RICH TO LOOTING THE POOR IN THE NAME OF JUSTICE BUT IT IS A LURE FOR THE COMMON AND THE DENIED.
Longstreet is the real 🐐
You literally can’t have democracy and true capitalism
@@mcs106 capitalism is what made this country great. Communist socialism is what put a certain country that we all know, in the poor house. So I'll take capitalism for$ Alex.
He was right
Nothing more libertarian than an authoritarian, apathetic moderator.
Waited for him to ask if the age of consent laws would go away.
Someone needs to re-educate themselves on what libertarian means
@Orn Gorn Vague anger. I guess that's one way to go.
@Orn Gorn Facism is right wing dude, it’s clearly right-wing. Part of the problem is that “right” and “left” are tricky to talk about, and it’s true that there are dangerous forms of extremism on both sides, but fascism tilts pretty heavily to the right in my view.
If you think about fascism as a sliding scale, ordinary conservative politics is going to find itself somewhere on that scale - which is not to say that it’s fascist at all, any more than ordinary Democratic politics is communist. But just as extreme versions of communism suppress liberty on behalf of radical equality, so too do extreme versions of right-wing politics, namely fascism, suppress liberty in favor of tradition and dominance and power.
Go look up the term fascism genius. Its all about power, you stupud motherfuckers on the right are braindead assholes that call the left names all day and then whine and act like the world ended when the left does it to you, and you know thats true, case and point: how you fuckheads constantly call everyone a communist on the left, gasp the communist wants my neighbor to struggle and get healthcare, how dare he.. And also, you guys (generally speaking so dont take it personal, im just throwing insults like you just did to this Jorge guy) are such fucking hypocrites. Case and point: crickets with Trump corruption but went insane over obama wearing a fuckin tan suit and eating mustard on a hot dog. EMBARRASSING. What I do love though is how you guys think the left is the tarnished political base but damn near EVERYONE knows its the right thats the pathetic base, and it really is obvious thats true, the public and the world sees the left as hippies and the right as crazy religious zealots that want to control your life. Your side has brainless idiots like steven crowder, change my mind pussy.
@@bertohead it goes back 500 years and was re-coined as anarchism in the 19th century by Pierre Proudhon. In the early 1970's, right wing fucking shitheads re-appropriated their ultra conservative, capitalist nastiness as Libertarianism. The Libertarian Party was born and anarcho-capitalism, a Franken-politic, was created. Libertarianism has always and will forever be anti-capitalist.
I love how the capitalist guy was legit enough to defend wolfe when the other dude started talking shit
Some of his responses were just emotional jabber. No proof capitalism needs reform but what hes saying is unfounded
@@marioeid930 still tho he is allowed to speak and should be treated with respect
@@marioeid930 the fact insulin prices are the result of patent abuse, entire tracts of land are uninhabitable from mining, the fact we continue to have people living on the streets due to untreated mental illness or misfortune, or the fact entire generations now have their lives ruined because they had no savings and were underpaid when covid hit... or maybe how those that lived through the last Great Depression still save every last scrap of food like they have PTSD from starvation... nah none of that says capitalism is broken, nothing wrong with any of it.
@@Skyhawk656 i agree the system is corrupt. Definitely needs reform no doubt. School are part of the problem. I wouldnt be opposed to a new system entirely but socialism is not the answer
I think another big problem that gets over looked is the quality of people that bad economic circumstances create. A system ANY system is only as good as the people that run it
Classic debate of idealism vs reality, communism doesn’t work because it’s fundamentally flawed, that fundamental being that humans are inherently flawed, we are not robots or ants, we behave individually to a large extent, capitalism is superior in that it excepts that fact and works in accordance with this natural fact, that we are conscious beings that make conscious decisions based on insensitive and that values are subjective to change, also that part of being an individual we tend to want to do/achieve/work different jobs, communisms idea of equality is everyone has the same outcome (save for those who end up controlling the state lol), capitalisms idea of equality is everyone has the same opportunity to achieve their specific desires
Yet the zoomer dream lives on, that the State will love and care for them, once their parents pass.
@@willnitschke idk what u mean by that exactly but I’d hope most ppl my age don’t feel like that
@@brandonsolanes9217 People tend to want security and safety over most other things even if by wanting security, they actually make their circumstances less secure. For example, politicians pass vague anti-terrorism laws because people think it will make them safer. But then those politicians use those same laws to punish or intimidate people who threaten them, making everyone less safe. Or passing a law that makes it nearly impossible to fire someone, just means it becomes increasingly difficult to find someone prepared to hire you.
@@willnitschke oh I c, ya I completely agree
Communism (despite what intentions Marx had for it) became a tool used by aspiring dictators to manufacture consent (with the lie of equality) to break all hierarchies down so that in the power vacuum, the despots can take over. A stateless, classless society cannot exist in perpetuity as it is against human nature to not compete for resources, as you said. Our social behavior is more like hawks than doves, we're literally a predatory species. Capitalism is a hurdle for globalism since it allows for power to be distributed amongst various sources rather than a single one like government. Government is the original monopoly and despite crony capitalist negative externalities, it really is the best way to socially organize a predatory species in relative cooperation.
This is how politicians should argue and defend their arguments, not discrediting the other.
Slap that guy who asked the first question.
Moderator: just ask question, no speeches or non question.
1st one on the mic: when I was a child I studied....
When I was a boy in Bulgaria...
1st one: when I was a boy-
Moderator: *slaps* BEGONE
As someone from Germany... such a thick accent always makes me cringe...
@@PrivateDoge fax
48:52 is the timestamp lol
This debate is being appreciated so much simply because there is less emotional rhetoric, that is people not screaming on the top of their voice and making weird faces, and instead has more factual perpespectives.
Good note. I think it’s important for all people to understand that everyday people, capitalist or socialist, want to find ways to make a better world.
I concur.
Kings did not argue that the surfs wouldnt want to go to meetings therefore they shouldn't make decisions lol, they didn't give a single fuck about them.
Oddly, Socialists spend all day on-line complaining about how their democratically elected governments are corrupt, but think if they elect their collectivist boss, their worker co-op won't also be corrupt.
@@willnitschke It's easier to change a corrupt collectivist boss than a corrupt leader of the government.
@@bogdanzivkovic8711 The exact opposite is true, of course. Large collectives have more light shone on them. Small collectives are inevitably the most corrupt.
The chair was terrible.
You're supposed to be neutral.
The hypocrisy lives.
Keep in mind this is happening at the university of N.Y.
@@johnslugger oh so thats why the moderator was a socialist shill makes a bit more sense now.
@@dosran5786 .... the moderator kept making fun of wolff????
@@dosran5786 what are you on about?
“Every 4-7 years there is an economic downturn. Not due to nature...”
Sitting here in 2020: well this aged well
Australia has 20+ years without recession
@@Bubble998Grunge Too bad the party isn't Communist and their economy is actually a form of state capitalism.
Just like Jeffrey Epstein.Allegedly...
@@davidsanders1525 Not anymore.
The reason it's so bad in the USA is not due to nature. It is due to there being no profit motive for universal healthcare and creating/maintaining an adequate stockpile of medical equipment and PPE. When the government turns everything over to private enterprise, including fundamental basic rights such as access to healthcare and the protection of healthcare workers, then a forseeable act of nature becomes a crisis.
There's no profit to be made in the years where everything is OK.
As you can clearly see there is a lot of loss associated with this event. Who pays for it all?
The government.
The people.
If all is governed by simple profit motive then holes begin to form in the fabric of society.
All these profit driven companies who run on zero margins because the profits are paid in the billions to a few people only function when everyone is working all the time. When that stops?
They run to the government for money. The people's money.
This is not nature.
It's the failure of a system.
What clearer picture do you need than the catastrophic failure of the health system, billions of dollars paid out to private enterprise almost immediately and people,
THE PEOPLE WHO MAKE IT ALL WORK GETTING JUST $1200 TO LAST 2 MONTHS?
This is not nature, it is the nature of neoconservative capitalism.
Billion dollar businesses get hundreds of millions free of charge because they didn't follow the very basics of business. Always have 90 days cash on hand and 90 days in the bank. Every time it happens THEY GET PAID BY THE PEOPLE WHO PAY TAXES. THEY THEMSELVES AVOID TAXES AND THE PEOPLE WHO ARE DIENG, STARVING LOSING THEIR HOMES, JOBS, EVERYTHING? Well they get nothing. Or in this case$1200. One weeks median wage to last 2 months and nothing else as yet. By cheque, as though it's 1984. Billions transfered electronically to corporations yet the people have to wait for mail then wait 5 days for the bank to clear it.
This is nature only in that it's the nature of capitalism to fail the society that serves it in order to maximise profits and run to society for a free handout, corporate welfare, when it fails that society.
Need I go on?
I doubt you even read this far.
Please don't let him moderate one of these again.
It didn't seem bad to me. I liked his fire.
@@darrishawks6033 he did get a little rude at the end.. but I agree a lot of people are saying that he's like the worst moderator ever and I don't think he's that bad.
Epstein himself actually asked the moderator to be biased against him.
i dont mean about any bias or anything. i just disnt like his curt manner. Epstein handles these much better while still maintaining control
I was wondering if he did better than the "Should libertarians vote for Trump" debate
This was a good debate. My only complaint is that the debaters didn't get to cross examine each other.
They didnt debate.
Watching a debate where both parties respect each other’s views even though they disagree was fuckin refreshing. You don’t realize how informative a debate can be until there are no personal insults thrown around, absolutely fantastic 👏🏻👏🏻
Just watch "Firing Line with William F. Buckley" then. He had so many great guests on over the years. Allen Ginsburg to Ronald Reagan. Muhammad Ali but also Thomas Sowell. And in cases where Buckley agrees with the guest, he brings on a counterpoint to them, such as with Sowell where Buckley brings on a feminist to debate him. That's a funny one.
I'm not a libertarian but I got really pissed off when the moderator kept interupting Gene. Gene was very polite and even though I'm on the left I wanted to hear his point of view.
So they are actually good friends and he didnt want to come across bias towards Gene, so he over compensated.
The left for the most part doesn't. Hench why people who speek against the left get talked over irl and banned from the regular internet. I appreciate your interest in hearing the other side though that's great.
@@noahpaulette1490 That's just a stereotype. There are plenty of douche bag right wingers that talk over people like Bill O'Reilly (pretty much everyone on Fox News) and Sargon of Burger King. Everyone should be willing to hear out the other side even if they end up disagreeing.
@@noahpaulette1490 the type of person who refuses to listen with an open mind to dissenting opinions isn’t just on one side. There are a near equal amount of people I’d guess on each side who make the choice to follow an ideology as opposed to listen and criticize and come to their own conclusions. Either way I think one thing all people who have half a brain agree on is there needs to be more interest and respect of dissenting opinions
@@liammccann6835 I would argue a lot more people on the large umbrella that is the right now are much more interested in descending opinion. although you do have a good point in saying that people on both sides will just fall in ideology because they will. You need to challenge yourself and improve your argument or change your mind if you don't you will become an idolog.
Wow this moderator thinks we are here to listen to him
Both are very intelligent men who are well educated and researched in their own fields.
You were half correct. The Marxist professor is not intelligent, honest, or even educated.
@@willnitschke Yet you're too scared to debate him. And especially James.
@@bogdanzivkovic8711 I've asked you repeatedly to organise it, but you won't because you're terrified. 😅🤣😂
@@bogdanzivkovic8711quit lying when you have no argument
@@ExPwner My argument is easily provable by checking your channel and seeing that you still haven't done a debate. If it's on some other channel feel free to send a link.
A healthy and calm debate, not shouting and raving, wish we had more of this today.
it's difficult when you have to hear the bullcrap from your political opponent
@@mgsmemebook which side are you talking about because I’ll gladly back up either one. We need to both to keep in balance of social policy and free market capitalism
@@cap1913 we do not need socialism at all.
@@ExPwner say goodbye to vacation, 8hour workday, etc
@@anders3871 nope. Socialism did not bring those.
He even holds the podium like Bernie. Must be a socialist thing.
It's the "gimme all your stuff" socialist grab.
@@moralitycheck6715 look another intellectual. Do you have a thought of your own or you just like to watch the US propaganda machine and repeat whatever they say?
Remember socialists, HANG ON TO FREEDOM like this podium.
Dim Serious? Can I ask how much Bloomberg is paying you? Or is dim short for dim witted. You believe that our corporate news stations aren’t propaganda? Your name is perfect. Holy shit read a book bud. Try Manufacturing Consent by Chomsky. Start there and come back to me.
Dim Soviet Sanders lol. And you don’t believe the US uses propaganda. The irony in that statement is fantastic.
Moderator was so rude and honestly useless in this debate looked like he didn’t even want to be there
I think I actually heard him exhaling loud as shit a bunch of times, definitely didn't wanna be there
The moderator decided to channel a poor man’s Tony Montana from Scarface. 😂🤦🏼♀️
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is it true that their should be a fair balance between social and capitol?
Yes, and that fair balance is called free market Capitalism.
"and if you've read the financial times, you'd know we're waiting for the next crisis, maybe next year, or the year after"
covid: you called?
Covid didn't cause this. Government did. All of the socialist morons trying to say that this validates their ideology are idiots, through and through. For centuries capitalists have told people that government meddling in the economy causes problems and crashes. Yet in 1929, 2008 and now 2020 it's surprised Pikachu meme, as if their ideas weren't causing the problem.
@@ExPwner , I guess the government in the United States must be extremely incompetent. look at China. That's where the virus originated and yet they only have a handful of cases. The United States, on the other hand, they have only 4% of the world's population but over 25% of the covid cases and deaths.
@@michaelmappin1830 it is extremely incompetent, and that's why we should end it and instead have a capitalist approach to things like this. In the US, leaving it up to government meant that governors were ordering sick, COVID positive patients into nursing homes with the elderly who as we even knew then are the most vulnerable. It was also the FDA and other regulatory agencies which were slowing down the shipment of masks when people could have used them the most. Capitalist enterprises were ready to ship them but government got in the way. Then you also have governors shutting down the entire state when the best case for any shutdowns are in the biggest cities and NOT the entire state. I'm in one such lockdown state, and we've seen very little of this virus yet more problems from lockdowns than the virus itself.
@@ExPwner He mentioned China to highlight your government in generality argument moot. It is that you live under a CAPITALIST owned government that doesn't give a fuck about you and is also incompetent, in particular the most recent administration of Trump.
Except the financial crash was already being telegraphed well before we o ew covid even existed.
If you go back to last year, half way through last year, to channels like Re Education and Beau of the Fifth Column, they break it down in a way that laypeople can understand- using the evidence provided by expert economists. But they warned of the coming downturn, and what regular people could do to prepare for it.
So the crash was forecast well before covid. Covid incited it, perhaps a month or two before it would have happened, and it certainly made it worse than it otherwise would have been. But it would have happened anyway.
The host is savage: "Get to the point. We don't care where you're from-- we're all strangers here."
total savage introducing them as young men too 😂
"Are there any womem in the audience wanting to make questions? Would be nice.
"Oh, you gotta a man bun, thats close." Hahahahah he was having his time.
He also said "I'm going to be a Nazi" just before the first question from the audience, which was from a German kid. He's a classy fellow indeed!
@@hugorezende199 I didn't like that first part, as if women couldn't speak for themselves. Are those women being suppressed from speaking? Or is that women are expect to have a varying opinion?
@@skysheep747 I think the audience was heavily male. This debate was sponsored by Reason Magazine, a right wing free market Libertarian organization. That kind of libertarian (as opposed to a left libertarian like Noam Chomsky) is heavily white male. Not all of course and I imagine the moderator was hoping to find some exceptions.