Big Bad Wolf nobody’s stopping you from reading books and educating yourself like everyone else. Btw a study showed that 60% of millionaires are self made and come from working class families. Also school isn’t meant to teach people how to become rich, it’s meant to teach people skills so that they can sell their labor in the market. You don’t need school to start a business
@@Loquacious_Jackson social media and other technology has really messed up our brains, we can't even watch important stuff like debates if they aren't super entertaining for us? Maybe entertainment isn't a requirement for enrichment, maybe our population doesn't need to be entertained 24/7
I just wish the rest of the mainstream media had these serious type of debates that way people could be properly educated and have real battles of opinion as opposed to just saying Venezuela or taxes
I couldn't agree more. I'm about as far from an academic or intellectual as one could get, a truck driver as a matter or fact, and this was just like pure nourishment for my brain i was instantly so engaged i fired off 3 or 4 comments before Mr Wolf even finished his opening statement.lol My point is the gatekeepers think the average Joe has no interest in any sort of long form or in depth philosophical discussion/debate when that couldn't be further from the truth. These are the big ideas that will shape our future for better or worse and as a society we should be breaking them down, scrutinizing and re-scrutinizing them constantly from all sides n angles.
@@buckyflex1 Intellectualism is about sonder interest in the truth, not profession. I wouldn't make the assumption that a truck driver is incapable of being an intellectual. Frankly, discussion of important economic ideas *must* include the working class. That is the driving force behind Marxist ideology, whether you think economic systems should be capitalist or not. Frankly, I would prefer a capitalist system where some board chairs are just employee representatives, almost like a company parliament. The thing is, this might actually be less efficient than just having the government impose a required board structure. Conversation as to what the best form of the system would be is up for debate, but all stakeholders, including employees, should be considered.
Like what @blackearl7891 said, the msm has an agenda and it is not to educate the masses, and if they do, then they educate the masses to what they want you to think not what might be true
Disagree. Keep everything to the point. That way you get maximum information and minimal fluff. People like this cam debate the tiniest nuance for hours. The audience doesn't have hours.
Gimpzilla not totally different. All communist are pro socialism but not all socialist are pro communism. I do agree though a lot of people don’t know the difference.
Can’t tell if anyone in the comments favors capitalism or socialism, just that they don’t like the moderator. Edit: Shit 2k likes and 166 relies. Never had that happen thanks guys. Not that that means anything, but it feels good.
@@applesnpears9828 The issue is the people with power they do not allow reform or give us the bare minimum. Government is protecting private interests over the madnesses, our capitalist society is not democratic it’s just a mess. Even the markets are bullshit now. So many issues with our systems today. If anyone here does favour capitalism I think even they would admit our market is definitely not free. Currently trying to learn the best approach to make things better.
Wolff doesn't really make any sort of point though... The gist of his whole argument is 'I want something else' But the thing he wants is already that we already have...? He just wants to force it onto everyone I guess...? He doesn't make anything close to a technical economic argument this whole debate. Not to mention that almost all of his 'points' about capitalism can be refuted by just silently pointing at Scandinavia...
Eros well Wolff’s whole argument is based on the whole Marxist idea that workers are exploited by wage labor. But we can look at Scandinavia and see some of the most most egalitarian and successful advanced economies of all time. Some of the highest GINIs, best economic mobility. All the social programs you could imagine... These are mixed ‘capitalist’ economies.. Free markets, large private, for profit sectors. This private sector and the growth it brings can be taxed to support social programs. Wolff’s whole argument that ‘capitalism’ is inherently exploitive doesn’t really stand up to common sense economics. At least domestically. Internationally is another long discussion to have.
John Proctor labor isn’t the only input of production. Labor is important but not necessarily all that important in many companies. We can talk utopia all day and use that as a framework to criticize the current system. But ‘workers DESERVE to be paid their average product of labor or it’s EXPLOITATION’ is a pretty dumb oversimplified starting off point.
John Proctor ‘some owners treated their slaves well and taught them to read’ You missed the entire point... As I said...the most advanced, economically mobile, richest, egalitarian system OF ALL TIME... That’s an achievement bud... But you just whine that it’s not good enough because of some flawed and oversimplified philosophy about 'exploitation' and baselessly compare it to slavery.
I haven't let school get in the way of my education, and I have learned that socialism is one of the most vile ideologies on the planet. It is responsible for the murder of over 100,000,000 million innocent people,and has oppressed billions.
CAPITALISM AND THE SO CALLED DEMOCRACY ARE THE BEST ASYLUM FOR THE RULERS, THE ELITES AND THE RICH TO LOOTING THE POOR IN THE NAME OF JUSTICE BUT IT IS A LURE FOR THE COMMON AND THE DENIED.
@@theamericanspirit8590 Mohammed's statement was completely out of place, like he was just hijacking a top comment. Doesn't matter whether he was right, he shouldn't have said it here.
dont let corona stop your education at home it is better to learn at home then to go to school and be exposed to the virus high school kids get the virus and a 12 year old died of it so it is saying even a toddler can get it your kids are to precious to let go to school love them while you can all you can and keep them safe and at home college can be done online just like grade school i rather be doing this for my kids would,nt you take care everybody and for all of you just so you know mega dosing vitamin c will help clear out phmonia
You should have a look at debates in Indian News channel, where the moderator comes with his own agenda of spreading communal hatred. Specific suggestions: Arnab Goswami debates (News Channel: Republic India) Have a look at any of his debate and you'll know the sorry state of Indian news media.
In the interests of having a smooth running discussion while minimizing interruption, can we all agree that Nick Gilespie should never run a debate again?
Absolutely. He has time to crack jokes, then won't allow people asking questions to make a single statement to add context to their question. It's the Nick Gillespie show here. This isn't a debate. It's the Nick Gillespie show.
MARXISM, COMMUNISM AND SOCIALISM ARE PRODUCTS JUST LIKE CAPITALISM. If you are interested in buying some MARXISM, COMMUNISM AND SOCIALISM PRODUCTS: See my sales pitch: ua-cam.com/video/UnkMA0l7Af8/v-deo.html MARXISM, COMMUNISM AND SOCIALISM ARE PRODUCTS JUST LIKE CAPITALISM. MARXISM, COMMUNISM AND SOCIALISM PRODUCTS ALL MARKETED TO YOU AS FREE CANDY AND ARE SUPER ATTRACTIVE TO SUFFERING PEOPLE. SOCIALISTS ARE THE BEST SNAKE OIL CAPITALISTS OF ALL TIME. YOU END UP GIVING UP ALL YOUR FREEDOMS AND ALL YOUR BRAIN FUNCTIONS UP FOR ONE CRAP PRODUCT THAT DOES NOT EVEN EXIST - (FREE STUFF). CAPITALISTS ONLY THRIVE WHEN THEY GET WHAT HELPS! HOWEVER, YOU ONLY HAVE TO BUY WHAT YOU NEED. CAPITALISM REQUIRES REAL LIFE EXPERIENCE AND EFFORT AND FULL FREEDOM TO THINK AND TO SEE THE SNAKE OIL SALESMAN AS HE APPROACHES YOU. YOU THEN CAN REMOVE THEM FROM EXISTENCE NOT THOUGH VIOLENCE BUT BY NOT BUYING. THE SNAKE OILMAN COMES IN MANY FORMS. YOU NEED TO LIVE FREE TO FIND THEM!
i was laughting on the fist question , the dude talked too much and tried too much to build a context. But then Nick just tried to land some jokes just like that "man bum" joke, moments that he makes it more confusing and odd (i did laught about the joke).
MrIHadToDoIt a good example of why not all unions are good. In this example, it gives undue to power to police, who are not working class. Their relationship to economic production is enforcement of the laws instituted by the ruling class (private capital). Unions are beneficial for the working class to collectively bargain, aka to have any chance at bargaining at all instead of simply being fired for asking for more equality. The purpose of the police union is to shield cops from the consequences of their unlawful behavior, which is disproportionately used to afflict the working class
Bernie sanders and Joe Biden said that Socialism is found on Surplus and there are all kinds of surplus American government hoards stuff in warehouses and they call this surplus there are many many many kinds and they were talking about giving it away where you always save more money so much junk the government hoards
it is like matter v anti matter economics the thing is Bernie said that it is provided by surplus and so did little Joe Joe is not all together to be able to lead he should be removed from the election before he causes any more harm to America or himself and or others
Spongebob and squidward need to seize the Krusty Krab. While Spongebob provides the labor for creating the burgers and squidward runs the front end of the business taking orders from the customers, the capitalist (pig) crab pockets the profit while giving the two workers a pittance. Nobody earns the value of their labor. Obviously this is why spongebob and squidward live in squalor and discomfort next to Patrick, who literally lives under a rock, while the bourgeoise live elsewhere. Krabs justifies his profit because he procured the capital to create the restaurant and owns the formula, while actively doing nothing of value for his workers or his society. Plankton, meanwhile, is a reflection of the class struggle as he is ruthlessly outmatched at every turn due to the inherent inequality in the system. Neither worker can “choose” to get another job because the reality of Bikini Bottom is that there aren’t any other reasonable options. Squidward obviously does not voluntarily wish to be there. There is a guise of individualism and self determination thrown over a flawed system. Unfortunately, as long as they can feel superior to Patrick, who is lower in society, they too believe they can one day be like Mr. Krabs.
Dandelo what kind of bullshit is that? crabs built the whole restaurant, he owns it, it is his, the formula is his, spongebob and squidward would have nothing without him, he could replace spongebob and squidward but they can‘t replace the formula, i don‘t know if you are just joking or just a dumbass but there are more than enough dumbasses who would believe the bullshit you just wrote so i took it serious
Every comment I’ve read on this comment section refers to the respectful conduct both use throughout the debate. If that doesn’t highlight the depth the current political debate system has sunk to, don’t know what does…
@@kiwikiwi2483 he's actually right. Michael Mappin the paid shill has been spamming commmunist propaganda for over a year on this video. He's paid to support Richard Wolff and this is shown by the fact that they spams every Richard Wolff video he finds with copy/paste script full of false and misleading information.
@@ExPwner I didn't find this Michael Mappin comment anywhere. So again, I will ask the both of you to take your ignorance and political bias elsewhere and let the logical people enjoy a civil debate for once.
@@kiwikiwi2483 sort comments by new and look at the replies. He's been responding to practically every comment for over a year solid and he does it from a script. I've not once been ignorant. I've been plenty logical.
The thing that struck me the most throughout the debate, is how two people with vehemently opposing views, respected each other, actively listened and could engage in heated conversation, without resorting to petty insults and underhandedness. They both remained lazer focused throughout and even managed to find some common ground. In parts of the debate they stood up and protected the others right to speak and be heard, when heckled by audience members. A lack of civility and the inability to respect a political opponent in this way, is perhaps the greatest threat to modern democracy, politics and freedom of expression we currently face. This is what serious people sound like. Very different from our world leaders isnt it?
I wonder how old politicians go to sleep peacefully everyday inthis day and age when so many people are afraid and hungry everyday. It is is so sad. And they all want to be humanitarians while killings of innocents go on and on everyday.
Gene Epstein begins with an apology to Richard Wolff for an earlier outburst, he subsequently transitions into a critique that personalizes the concept of socialism to Wolff’s interpretations, rather than addressing the ideology in a broader sense. This strategy subtly shifts the debate from a general discussion to a more personal critique, which could be perceived as a nuanced form of personalization that edges towards underhanded critique, albeit within the bounds of formal respect. EDIT: Yeah... Gene is literally attacking Richard's character and whenever he touches on the primary subject he just gives examples of all the current problems we are living with...
It was good to hear a debate about capitalism vs socialism without having a broadcaster pushing their agenda, and also seeing the two people debating let each other talk. Very interesting!
It was good, and the Capitalism’s argument was full of strawmaning. For example, the hypothetical about a socialist party winning the majority of votes of the ballot box, then introducing full blown socialism overnight. However, Socialism’s argument included the history of the process of Capitalism, it was not an overnight change from Faudism but a centuries long process. Just logically, that’s exactly how most ideas come to fruition. So it’s a bit of a strawman argument from Capitalism, which raises questions about integrity and trustworthiness.
@@mr12aT This debate was about socialism vs capitalism. But all that wolff was arguing was about why capitalism is so bad, that it is unstable, that and that. He never once presented the benefits of socialism. The capitalism guy literally said capitalism is not perfect and he listed the disadvantages, he said we should be careful with capitalism, and also talked about the benefits. Wolf never one talked about the benefits of socialism only why capitalism is bad. He did not talk about the disadvantages of socialism. If someone tries to sell me a car and all he does is criticizing my current car, without talking about the the functionality of the new car,. I know he talks bullshit and he knows that too, and is just trying to con me. I never trust people that only talk about the disadvantages of the product, system, person, that they don't like without actually talking about what he is offering. I honestly have no idea what kind of system wolff offers, i only know what kind of system he hates and that is not what this debate was about.
@@pElisei Taxation, for any purpose, is literally theft via extortion. On the other hand, it is a myth that capitalism is a meritocracy. They are both completely wrong. Taxation is cannibalism. Capitalism is a grotesque game of musical chairs, in which 99 percent lose, then propaganda attempts to get them to blame themselves. Socialism is parasitism, plain and simple. It works until you run out of victims to tax. socialist propaganda encourages the cannibals to murder and gorge, until there are no more John Galts to murder.
@@noneone8726 There has to be a balance. A pure capitalist system leads to monopolies a pure socialist system leads to dictatorship. The best economies have the freest markets... look at singapore, switzerland, sweden and all nordic countries. Their markets are highest freedom of economy index, no minimum wage. Singapore has 0% tax and has one of the best economies. It has to be a balance. There has to be regulations and i think Unions are important to keep in check companies I only posted my comment on the video because i was really pissed that all wolff did was criticize capitalism. He did not even talk about socialism. Only spout anti capitalist propaganda.
Agree. Pretending to be all about keeping things on schedule while wasting time throughout with his distracting smarmy comments. Needs to learn to check his ego at the door, and that he's not as funny or charismatic as he thinks he is. Remarkably stupid comment about Bernie Sanders too which led to another big waste of time. Worst kind of moderator.
Now this is the kind of debate i like watching. Clear, audible, to the point. Not those screaming matches where you dont get the point across just the voice and the constant jumping in or cutting off to get on the other's nerves and cutting them off mid sentence.
Why you even expect anything super productive out of teenagers is beyond me. But what also eludes me, is why you don’t acknowledge that these old souls were, at some point, those young teenagers. We all start somewhere. I don’t think you should expect much out of tiktok debaters, but also don’t shame them. They’ll mature eventually.
I wouldn't know. I'm not stupid enough to watch tiktok. I believe these men are considered experts in their subject. Kids on tiktok are just mimicking what they heard in class that day from the cool teacher.
@@kallioperobling3359 Unfortunately we live in a world where people make content on other people's content, so you occasionally see ticktok post reposted on youtube.
What should you care if it is meant to intimidate and demean, ultimately it is your own choice if you choose to let those words resonate within you or not.
I think it was meant to be funny rather than demeaning. It was definitely in poor taste and insulting/demeaning even if that wasn’t the intent though. This moderator is terrible.
Lol yeah. He is typical of certain type of libertarians.. Did you see his dressing sense. He literally wears that jacket to each interview. A certain type of libertarians are just immature people.
@@Azerath2 no he didn't you dumbass. He lost the debate in every way. He lost the vote count and he didn't have one coherent argument. He lied the whole way through. Attributing war to capitalism, making bogus claims about wages and poverty....all lies.
@@Azerath2 , not only did Epstein not have a valid counterargument, he ended up agreeing with wolf most of the time. How can anyone in their right mind argue against workers owning and controlling their own labour and resources? Obviously worker cooperatives keep more wealth and control with the communities and the workers. That means greater purchasing power for the community. It makes communities less dependant on government and billionaire corporations when it comes to jobs and consumer goods. The workers are doing their own work rather than someone else's.
@@jb8785 simply a social democrat. For all the fear mongering that he would end capitalism... He would actually preserve/save it. The same way fdr did.
Perhaps the search can pick up on what is in the description which does contain their names? Not sure how youtube works but a quick google search of their names with the word debate brought it up nicely. I imagine the clickbaity title, which drew me in, does its job well
Majority of the engines (employees) who are behind World production of goods and services are abused and ripped off under the guise of capitalism. Man eat man society.
@@sealking3838 unsubstantiated claim. also, abdullahi is not Lenin. not all socialists are the same. we have disagreements about what socialism should be.
Yeah, the first audience question was very poorly mishandled. He also didn't structure the debate as he outlined at the beginning with statements, rebuttal, and then Moderator Questions. I think he just got too antsy and rushed into the audience questions
@@Bolizen +Uncle Sam = I need YOU! To give up 25% of your income! Municipality + State take 10% Down to 6.5% of the profit for the product made 100% by you. Now, depending where you live, you must spend some on the side, to spend any on goods.
@@Bolizen Capitalism: the worker chooses which company to go and make chips. If he doesn't like the boss he can leave at any time. Socialism: everybody is forced to make chips and give it away to be distributed
@@Vic2point0 actually I found you yo be the only defender of him in a video related to his debate with Seam Carroll. I admire William Lane Craig a lott. He is one of the best intellectuals i have ever had the privilege to listen to.
It’s crazy to think that as a graduate student in the United States, I can say I have never been taught anything about any of this in my grade school years.
@@raskeltv8882 Yeah because grade school you don't learn what those in power don't want you to. Uni is where you start learning about the dark side of capitalism.
"Two young men in the prime of their lives". There is a poem in Persian which says: "توانا بود هرکه دانا بود، ز دانش دل پیر برنا بود", meaning, "Mighty is he who has knowledge; from knowledge the old heart becomes young."
ولی حقیقتا بعضی وقتا ز دانش دل برنا پیر بُود ! هرچی بیشتر از اتفاقای کثیفی که تو این دنیا داره میفته میفهمی بیشتر زجر میکشی و این کافیه تا تو اوج جوونی پیرت کنه.
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for lunch. But the moderator does suck, instead can we write a letter to the representative who employees him?
Davin S I wish no harm, even to those who may seemingly deserve it. There are things I suck at much like how this moderator sucks at moderating . “I have spoken.... “ lol
@rob see Gene Epstein said on the Tom Woods podcast that he had asked the mod in advance to be biased in favor of the proposition. That way his victory could not be disputed.
Because a debaters job is to make themselves and their positions look better. A moderators job is not to make themselves look good, but to challenge the debaters to be understood, which both supporters of either side can agree to dislike because a challenge feels like an attack to a partisan.
Jacque has a community in Flordia and he gave tours of the community and explained how his no monetary system worked. He had futuristic homes he designed.
@@mgsmemebook which side are you talking about because I’ll gladly back up either one. We need to both to keep in balance of social policy and free market capitalism
Watching a debate where both parties respect each other’s views even though they disagree was fuckin refreshing. You don’t realize how informative a debate can be until there are no personal insults thrown around, absolutely fantastic 👏🏻👏🏻
Just watch "Firing Line with William F. Buckley" then. He had so many great guests on over the years. Allen Ginsburg to Ronald Reagan. Muhammad Ali but also Thomas Sowell. And in cases where Buckley agrees with the guest, he brings on a counterpoint to them, such as with Sowell where Buckley brings on a feminist to debate him. That's a funny one.
I love how it doesn't descend into petty name calling-- they're actually talking and progressively arguing. Let's revel in the importance of discourse.
@@dustinheffker3524I didn't see it. The name calling is cable news. There's a difference of respect in a university debate vs a TV debate that runs as a show.
Libertarians value freedom of speech. I would argue that inviting Wolff to the debate has little to do with courage, but more of an exercise of their values.
@@wallycheladyn1190 if they are giving him a platform strictly as a meaningless exercise of their "values" then I agree it has nothing to do with courage. Nor in my opinion is their any value in their empty tribute to "free speech." If on the other hand they were actually attempting to listen his ideas with open minds as I suspect they were then I commend their courage.
@Virgil Kemp Libertarians do not have any free will or free thought nor a critical mind, they just want to feel good about themselves when they take easy and conforming ways. This is why this slimy economist agreed so much with Wolff but cherrypicked things as usual. They are all sophists. To them, the truth does not matter, what truly matters is the perception of the people who listen to them. Do people buy their arguments or not? What and how should they say and represent it so that others would buy their arguments? These are the most important questions to rightwing economic "radicals". and you are never born an "individual" but become one. If you buy an iphone and play cherrycrush on it then how would I think of you as someone "unique"? Free will is an illusion in which we have to believe in order to sustain ourselves till we die.
the moderator is paid by the chinese communist party and isn a traitor to democracy, freedom and America like the rest of the corrupt american academia eleitists/leftists.
I'm sorry that your education was incomplete, but this is what happens when education is optional, and at personal expense. Those without any curiosity spew ignorance as fact. Loser George, you're an ignorant fool. Enjoy your dystopia.
I disagree. I was grateful that he disallowed preambles to questions. I, too, don't care about the questioner's name or background. Get to the question! Maybe we'll have time for more questions that way.
@@JimLockett Turd eater. Shove communism up your sorry arse. Communism is not just a false and evil ideology, but goes well beyond any dystopian worldview. It has faled miseraly every time it was tried out, in all parts of the world. karl Marx was an ignorant fool, an imbecile a, a fraud and a liar, like all communists that follow his limping steps. Communism is immoral, anti-human, dishonest, intolerant and the supreme manifestation of ignorance and stupidity, Only retards, liars, douchebags and criminals endorse communism.
Exactly what I came here to say. I get that he wants to keep the questions straight to the point but he always has to have the last word or make a “witty” comment and expect the person not to acknowledge/respond to it.
He sold Capitalism pretty good. It's when you point at the weaknesses of a system and marvel at them and consider them a feature that for some reason it stops sounding unappealing and instead something to be appreciative of.
@@shani5345you just described capitalism, the monopolization of capital can't be regularized in a true capitalist society. 5 Company's practically control everything we see and consume, the difference is that under capitalism they brainwash you to think you're "free".
🏠 Stupid people System is the problem 🏡 Our Life should be around these Great Qualities..... 1, Show all living creatures; all the love and kindness as much as you can. 2, Only try to be honest with yourself. If you try to be honest with others, you will get into big trouble soon or later. 3, Aim only one target at a time; otherwise you are chasing two rabbits and you will miss both. So, the reason behind it. Have one powerful reason and never ever give up the one you want the most. 4, Don't try to be good person only but be the powerful person. We will grow to be the one or we will die. There is no other choice. 5, Always learn and look for to improve something your life. 6, You are not alone. Love and faith the high power reduces unnecessary stress in life. But never completely rely on it. 7, Success and happiness are the byproducts of our usefulness. So, always increase the possibility of success. 8, Life is not going to be easy. Because of our unnecessary things. 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Which is private cartel the corporation. So, in legal system, we are legally considered as chattel the properties. They make money in the capital markets with our birth certificates. They do not consider us as Humans. That's the truth. We are at the invisible war with the Elites (Corporatocracies). We have to fight for our Freedom. Resource Based Economy is the Solution. We have to declare the earth resources as the heritage of all the people of this world. So everyone has access to it. Please have your research about zeitgeist movement then you know the truth more. Truth About Health/Drugs Industry Because Of It Your Life At High Risk The drug industry is a 1/2 trillion dollars a year worldwide conglomerate. Almost 300 billions dollars just in North America. That is really big business. What would happen if everyone were well? There is no money in health. You see, good health makes a lot of sense but it doesn't make a lot of dollars. Because everything they do is toxic. Every drug they use, prescription drugs, all drugs are liver toxic, bar none. If you've had amalgam fillings put in your mouth by dentists. It is highly toxic. There's cancer because most of the chemos are themselves carcinogens. To view the tumor as the cancer and we know the tumor is not the cancer. The cancer industry is 200 billions dollars a year. The more work they get, the more profit there is. You have to dismantle; If the truth ever came out about what we would need to do. 30% of people of females in America are at risk of getting, will get cancer of the breast. The ones that are already dead have been grossly mistreated by the medical profession and by the government that supposedly is supposed to encourage free research and development of all possibilities. Why would medical doctors who studied medicine and practice medicine and are heavily funded by pharmaceutical companies why would they go and look into vitamins? That they never had the answer orthomolecular. And as more and more of our population start taking their health into their own hands, there's going to be even more and more of changes. It can't go on the way it is. The system is failing apart. We must make nutrition the primary prevention strategy for the population. You are what you eat. You are everything that you have ever done to yourself. The choices you make directly affect the outcome of your life. - (Food Matters Documentary in Netflix) 😊 Well, I truly love God. I am not religious but very spiritual person. So, I believe 1) Religion is the beliefs in someone experiences But spirituality is having my own experiences. The mainstream religions people promote religious ideology by giving guidelines and guide but In my spiritual life; I do not want anyone or anything between God and me to restrict my freedom to worship God. 2) We do not need any authorities to do good work. The god work is the good work always. In contrast; organised mainstream religions are claiming that they have the authorities to do God works as leaders so on. 3) God is not capable of doing wrong thing, change the past for us and create anything out of nothing for us. Nothing means not anything. So, even God is limited. The mainstream religious people believe that God is unlimited. 4) God wants us to take responsibilities for our righteousness life but not for all the consequences of our actions because they are continued to exist among us. So, How can god punish us for all our consequences? The mainstream religious people believe we are full of sins because of all our actions. 5) Freewill is an illusion. People always choose the perceived path of greatest pleasure. So, we do not have choices all the time. In contrast teachings of the mainstream religions are promoting people to do god's will always because we all have choices of freewill always. 6) We can not separate everything into groups. So, everything for good and evil and there's no success and failure for everything. If everything is real then real things can not be threatened. Once you come to understand that God/The Holy Spirit is in each of us, You will no longer need a Book to tell you how to live. Then why we need religious scriptures? The Virtue is the expression of the basic goodness in our actions. The Basic goodness is the fundamental worthiness of every individuals. We are worthy to God always in everything. 7) Beliefs in a cruel God makes a cruel man. No matter what; every living creatures has the right to live and What makes their life cheap? Everything depends on everything. Nothing too big or too small in value. We can not love and hate at the same time; Being a vegetarian means love without cruelty happily. The mainstream religious people are killing people and sacrificing animals in the name of God. They promote God's cruel punishments. 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I think he checked himself out in a mirror before the debate and thought, "Holy Cow! I look like Tony Montana in 'Scarface.' I think I've got my character figured out, now!"
Richard: what is this strange cherry picking of examples? Also Richard: In 1956 a group of workers with a Catholic priest in the north of spain in little town called Mondragon made a successful co-op
@@bogdanzivkovic8711 Mondragon is a member co-op, and has nothing to do with worker co-ops. A few of its members are worker co-ops. Most of which are tiny and irrelevant. That's why every Marxist half wit wants to mention Mondragon, because there is little information available on its members. Hence Marxist love to bullsh*t about it.
@@thepoolb0y if you really read what I said, I never said anything about nor insulting people hahaha. I’m not interrupting an open debate by two people who have respect for one another. You can try again though;)
@@marioeid930 the fact insulin prices are the result of patent abuse, entire tracts of land are uninhabitable from mining, the fact we continue to have people living on the streets due to untreated mental illness or misfortune, or the fact entire generations now have their lives ruined because they had no savings and were underpaid when covid hit... or maybe how those that lived through the last Great Depression still save every last scrap of food like they have PTSD from starvation... nah none of that says capitalism is broken, nothing wrong with any of it.
@@Skyhawk656 i agree the system is corrupt. Definitely needs reform no doubt. School are part of the problem. I wouldnt be opposed to a new system entirely but socialism is not the answer
I think another big problem that gets over looked is the quality of people that bad economic circumstances create. A system ANY system is only as good as the people that run it
Refreshing to see a debate where both sides understand each other and have enough time to speak unlike political debates which feel rushed and unprepared
"Dark humour is like health care, not everyone gets it" - USA ua-cam.com/video/bEJGL8kDjc0/v-deo.html Watching this on the most capitalistic medium ever.
employment is nothing more then being a wage slave warren buffet said something like this on you tube but hell the highest paid baseball player in MLB is getting paid $500.000.000 that is some blessing from slavery and the second highest paid MLB player is getting $250.000.000 still some blessing from slavery and now they are talking reparations from sports teams ,and ice cube is talking about the movie business owing them reparations when they get millions of dollars to act in a movie like barber ship and that sure is not beating on him that sure been blessing him real good with millions of dollars and greed and philosophy are nothing more then criminal narcissism Obama is the same way and this is all mafia trying to use and abuse the past as much they can to exploit white people for the past after all that has changed since Dr king and it is never enough milk everyone for all you can get hell even MCDONALDS is a financial blessing to all those who work there it sure beats the he3ll out of social security
@@hasaniwu there is a old term that Lincoln started and that was Wage Slave a nd it is anyone who works for a wage and the term later turned into employee and the owners became employer not master because we got free will to work for the individual now
@@hasaniwu Because yes people are getting wages, however the amount they are receiving is too inefficient. This forces them to increase work time. Ultimately, a massive amount of people are spending more time working than they are fulfilling their passions.
Slap that guy who asked the first question. Moderator: just ask question, no speeches or non question. 1st one on the mic: when I was a child I studied....
This is one great debate in my opinion. The two protagonists seemed to be on the same page albeit with a different view. The foundation was the same. Advancement of the welfare of the people. This is what is meant by agreeing to disagree without being disagreeable. Bravo.
Great way of putting it. "Advancement of the welfare of the people". I know this isn't a political party debate but both conservatives and liberals are convinced that what they are doing is best for the people. After 12 years talking politics (much more to go I'm sure 😑), I've understood the issue is never black and white, but always nuanced and grey. We're always learning and seeing things from a different perspective. I just hope people don't forget that.
Great comment, but also, protagonist is the main character in a fictional work who advances the plot and likely the plot revolves around. Not really the right word choice, which is fine, just thought you might want to know that it was the wrong word choice. Sadly, this reality is not a fictional work... That we know of. 😜
Without incentive to work, to produce, very few will work or produce. There is no way to compel a members of a population to create an iPhone (Steve Jobs) or a laptop computer or the assembly line (Henry Ford) or the electric light bulb (Edison), UNLESS there is a justification for the commitment of time and effort. When socialism fails - when it becomes plainly evident that no one is going to work harder than their neighbor because that would allow the neighbor to be lazy - the leadership gets frustrated and seeks a remedy by dominating and threatening (and killing) the population. This has happened in every authoritarian socialist country. The failure to admit this truth is a poison on our species. The corollary is this. We do not yet have enough understanding of Nature to provide all the things we need for free. It will be hundreds of years before that occurs. When any person can have anything they want, at any time, in any quantity - technology will have advanced enough and permanently ended SCARCITY. Because that is the reason incentives are needed - to eliminate SCARCITY by way of increasing our understanding of Nature. Socialism and communism did not give us the airplane (the Wright brothers), the polio vaccine (Jonas Salk), refrigeration, the telephone (Alex Bell), and so on. Socialism and Communism are: - Venezuela - North Korea - Cuba - the old USSR No one flocks to those countries. People flock to the United States. People are not stupid, the bulk of us. .
@MrMorphicus I agree. I was a homeless teenager and a 10th grade dropout. By my mid-30s, I had independent financial means and never again had a boss or a 'permanent' job. It boils down to effort. If you are willing to make an effort in the U.S. you can improve your situation. How? I joined the military then went to college and made sure I studied a subject with lots of jobs available in the economy. It was not easy but it was worth it. People who think they want communism or socialism are liars because they can buy a one-way plane ticket to Venezuela or Cuba or NKorea and immediately live in socialism/communism etc. BUT THEY NEVER DO THAT. "I want socialism!" Okay relocate to Venezuela or another socialist country. "I don't want to go to all that trouble!" Why not? "Because I'm lazy!"
@MrMorphicus very true but what about the people not able to progress past their economic means because of their position in life which then in turn forces them to be stuck in the position of the employee and because pf that position they never rise up unless they can find either the means or simply put the willpower to do so. And alot of people don't have that
Covid didn't cause this. Government did. All of the socialist morons trying to say that this validates their ideology are idiots, through and through. For centuries capitalists have told people that government meddling in the economy causes problems and crashes. Yet in 1929, 2008 and now 2020 it's surprised Pikachu meme, as if their ideas weren't causing the problem.
@@ExPwner , I guess the government in the United States must be extremely incompetent. look at China. That's where the virus originated and yet they only have a handful of cases. The United States, on the other hand, they have only 4% of the world's population but over 25% of the covid cases and deaths.
@@michaelmappin1830 it is extremely incompetent, and that's why we should end it and instead have a capitalist approach to things like this. In the US, leaving it up to government meant that governors were ordering sick, COVID positive patients into nursing homes with the elderly who as we even knew then are the most vulnerable. It was also the FDA and other regulatory agencies which were slowing down the shipment of masks when people could have used them the most. Capitalist enterprises were ready to ship them but government got in the way. Then you also have governors shutting down the entire state when the best case for any shutdowns are in the biggest cities and NOT the entire state. I'm in one such lockdown state, and we've seen very little of this virus yet more problems from lockdowns than the virus itself.
@@ExPwner He mentioned China to highlight your government in generality argument moot. It is that you live under a CAPITALIST owned government that doesn't give a fuck about you and is also incompetent, in particular the most recent administration of Trump.
Except the financial crash was already being telegraphed well before we o ew covid even existed. If you go back to last year, half way through last year, to channels like Re Education and Beau of the Fifth Column, they break it down in a way that laypeople can understand- using the evidence provided by expert economists. But they warned of the coming downturn, and what regular people could do to prepare for it. So the crash was forecast well before covid. Covid incited it, perhaps a month or two before it would have happened, and it certainly made it worse than it otherwise would have been. But it would have happened anyway.
"Are there any womem in the audience wanting to make questions? Would be nice. "Oh, you gotta a man bun, thats close." Hahahahah he was having his time.
@@hugorezende199 I didn't like that first part, as if women couldn't speak for themselves. Are those women being suppressed from speaking? Or is that women are expect to have a varying opinion?
@@skysheep747 I think the audience was heavily male. This debate was sponsored by Reason Magazine, a right wing free market Libertarian organization. That kind of libertarian (as opposed to a left libertarian like Noam Chomsky) is heavily white male. Not all of course and I imagine the moderator was hoping to find some exceptions.
Kings did not argue that the surfs wouldnt want to go to meetings therefore they shouldn't make decisions lol, they didn't give a single fuck about them.
Oddly, Socialists spend all day on-line complaining about how their democratically elected governments are corrupt, but think if they elect their collectivist boss, their worker co-op won't also be corrupt.
@@bogdanzivkovic8711 The exact opposite is true, of course. Large collectives have more light shone on them. Small collectives are inevitably the most corrupt.
James Adams That’s why wages have risen steadily with the productivity, right? Oh whoops, looks like not. Well at least the cost of living is much lower than it was 30 years ago. Oh shit hold on, not that one either. If nothing else, education is cheaper so that everyone can pursue their dreams. so forth and so forth. where are these benefits of capitalism, James?
@@ashtheswan705 and here are the prices of goods and services largely going down over time too, dumbass. cdn.digg.com/images/c75ae4f7cf514ef89868b609d40f3d27_ebc53ed963b049b5a14f42eb423586a8_1_post.jpeg Now fuck off until you've educated yourself properly.
One of the few debates I actually understood and followed through to the end. Respect for both of these individuals trying to back what they believe and not just attacking the opponent in an ego battle.
@@viktorheylen9575 i actually tried following that but couldn't. Those guys throw around words that only initiated people can understand. Not meant for lay people
@@viktorheylen9575 Because Peterson doesn't know how to debate, wasn't prepared and Zizek is one of the leading intellectuals on communist thought. So yeah.
CAPITALISM AND THE SO CALLED DEMOCRACY ARE THE BEST ASYLUM FOR THE RULERS, THE ELITES AND THE RICH TO LOOTING THE POOR IN THE NAME OF JUSTICE BUT IT IS A LURE FOR THE COMMON AND THE DENIED.
@@mcs106 capitalism is what made this country great. Communist socialism is what put a certain country that we all know, in the poor house. So I'll take capitalism for$ Alex.
I agree with you. You (Americans) really need more of this. I may not fully agree with Richard Wolff, but he is providing you with a lot of information you don't see/hear on US mainstream media, and he is providing you "a bit of therapy" against the trauma you have against the word "socialism" (caused by the cold war).
@@lfmsimoes1 you don't have to agree with facts, for them to be facts. Maybe one day you'll be able to think critically. Until then, be a good little worker.
@@darrishawks6033 he did get a little rude at the end.. but I agree a lot of people are saying that he's like the worst moderator ever and I don't think he's that bad.
very aggressive both gentle folks -- heard a lot of intriguing change of comments between both speakers. which is awesome for me that they stood on the same floor for a while
These guys are ruthless debators; nice to see a passionate, ideological spar. Lots of debates I've seen lately have been more of discussions, which can be very productive. It's just cool to see a good linguistic brawl; fighting to win the resolution.
Totally agree! And yet despite the passion, there's no needless thuggery, there's no blatant insults, there's no unbased degradations, and it stays civil. That is what I love about this
@@christophvonpezold4699 They've both mastered debate and it's thrilling to see them flex their skill. Enough time in a room with either one of them, I'd feel compelled to agree with their position. Being a staunch Communist or staunch Capitalist... those are both tricky positions to defend. I think most people are absolutely entrenched in their opinion of which is more worthy, and I'm sure they've both had years of challenging practice.
I have to note that Wolf was mostly on the defensive and he was defending a hypothetical system that has never existed and is unrealistic since there is a common flaw: Humanity. Power should never be consolidated and should always be shifting like in Capitalism. Wolf says real socialism has never been done before, well I could say the same for capitalism too. That is not a defense. The fact remains that freedom will always deliver the best results and have the best chance of success. Socialism, is artificially improved and wasteful, it is not sustainable and only thrives when it has the opportunity to syphon off a capitalist country.
@Orn Gorn Facism is right wing dude, it’s clearly right-wing. Part of the problem is that “right” and “left” are tricky to talk about, and it’s true that there are dangerous forms of extremism on both sides, but fascism tilts pretty heavily to the right in my view. If you think about fascism as a sliding scale, ordinary conservative politics is going to find itself somewhere on that scale - which is not to say that it’s fascist at all, any more than ordinary Democratic politics is communist. But just as extreme versions of communism suppress liberty on behalf of radical equality, so too do extreme versions of right-wing politics, namely fascism, suppress liberty in favor of tradition and dominance and power. Go look up the term fascism genius. Its all about power, you stupud motherfuckers on the right are braindead assholes that call the left names all day and then whine and act like the world ended when the left does it to you, and you know thats true, case and point: how you fuckheads constantly call everyone a communist on the left, gasp the communist wants my neighbor to struggle and get healthcare, how dare he.. And also, you guys (generally speaking so dont take it personal, im just throwing insults like you just did to this Jorge guy) are such fucking hypocrites. Case and point: crickets with Trump corruption but went insane over obama wearing a fuckin tan suit and eating mustard on a hot dog. EMBARRASSING. What I do love though is how you guys think the left is the tarnished political base but damn near EVERYONE knows its the right thats the pathetic base, and it really is obvious thats true, the public and the world sees the left as hippies and the right as crazy religious zealots that want to control your life. Your side has brainless idiots like steven crowder, change my mind pussy.
@@bertohead it goes back 500 years and was re-coined as anarchism in the 19th century by Pierre Proudhon. In the early 1970's, right wing fucking shitheads re-appropriated their ultra conservative, capitalist nastiness as Libertarianism. The Libertarian Party was born and anarcho-capitalism, a Franken-politic, was created. Libertarianism has always and will forever be anti-capitalist.
Yeah, people can get touchy when someone is making a public show of reading a text that lead to the deaths of around 100 million people in the 20th century. Weird, huh? However, Marx is not banned in the US. You can still read his books if you wish, just as you can read Mein Kampf, if you're more of an ethno-nationalist socialist over a Marxist, for example.
@@moeinnowrouziOrwell was a socialist himself, he just didn't like the more authoritarian forms of it, like Marxism-Leninism, Stalin's regime, etc Your comment is stupid and does not provide anything helpful whatsoever
@@Notpresent-1 North Vietnam received constant military support from the Chinese and other SE Asian dictatorships. While Western manpower in the South was nowhere near as much. As a matter of fact, foreign support in south Vietnam have lost few battles and managed to hold off the VC. It was political instability that caused the demise of democratic Vietnam. The wars outcome had nothing to do with which economic system was better than the other.
This debate is being appreciated so much simply because there is less emotional rhetoric, that is people not screaming on the top of their voice and making weird faces, and instead has more factual perpespectives.
Good note. I think it’s important for all people to understand that everyday people, capitalist or socialist, want to find ways to make a better world.
It was a foolish attempt at humor, characterizing Nazis as simply rule enforcers, and then humorously taking on that affectation as a moderator. It left a bad taste in my mouth.
@@amosbackstrom5366 its not that they dont like the word. Its more that they know it'll get a guaranteed negative response which makes it harder for them to radicalize people
Some of us might be socialist, some might be capitalist. But we do agree... THE MOD SUCKS Instead of uniting people, this thread became a battle ground....Ironic..
Seems to be, that the central tenet of libertarianism ain't economic. It's whipping out their wangs whenever possible. Gotta show mommy and daddy no one can tell them what to do anymore.
some of us might be wrong, some of us might advocate for a system that always results in failure and starvation, 100% of the times its been tried. socialism is a fantasy. deal with it. or stop being a pussy and kick off your revolution already. us property and business owners will be waiting for you, fully ready to dispatch you. good luck, you self-entitled babies.
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The thumbnail looks like Bernie Sanders vs Bernie Sanders
It’s actually Bernie vs Trump. Socialist vs capitalist
Smallhat v smallhat
Reuben Thomasson Lol you okay bro?
Its Bernie from Universe A versus Bernie from Universe B.
bernie sanders vs the demons in his head
Scroll down the comments to see a bunch of people not addressing any arguments made
Ironically like your text😉
Example: this comment.
Mr. Wolff offers nothing but rhetorical flourishes, strawmen, and conflation. What argument is there to address?
@aish b yeah, debates often do that.
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We were accidentally on purpose not taught economics at school
We were
You learn that in college
Constant Christine Not necessarily and their are economics in high school but it is usually an AP course.
Big Bad Wolf you literally learn civics and economics in sophomore of your high school years
Big Bad Wolf nobody’s stopping you from reading books and educating yourself like everyone else. Btw a study showed that 60% of millionaires are self made and come from working class families. Also school isn’t meant to teach people how to become rich, it’s meant to teach people skills so that they can sell their labor in the market. You don’t need school to start a business
Don't you just love it when people actually reason?
I don't care either way, to be perfectly honest...
@@Loquacious_JacksonBetter to scream at each other instead?
@@munkoman definitely more entertaining...
@@Loquacious_Jackson social media and other technology has really messed up our brains, we can't even watch important stuff like debates if they aren't super entertaining for us? Maybe entertainment isn't a requirement for enrichment, maybe our population doesn't need to be entertained 24/7
@@Loquacious_Jacksonwhy
This beats watching two 17 year olds duet each other on TikTok
I just made the decision to put down TikTok and watch this
@@Namoomti it’s nice at first but ya eventually it’s good to put tik tok down and dive a little deeper
leave some respect for us mature ones 😭😂
@@varadhk3159 to be fair I’m only 18 so I don’t have room to talk, not hate to 17 year olds
Exactly lol I got tired of the same arguments over and over tiktok is a nice place to start though
Timestamps
0:00 Intro
0:41 Welcome and Rules Layout
2:20 Socialist Opening
20:06 Capitalist Opening
38:24 Socialist Rebuttal
43:40 Capitalist Rebuttal
49:17 Q&A
1:23:53 Socialist Closing
1:31:21 Capitalist Closing
1:38:35 Final Results
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ok got it, thanks for the effort man, you are a blessing to the viewers of this video.👍🏻
Thanks
Thanks man.
Bless you
Wow all of a sudden I feel like a hero for taking like 10 minutes to scrub through this video
I just wish the rest of the mainstream media had these serious type of debates that way people could be properly educated and have real battles of opinion as opposed to just saying Venezuela or taxes
Yeah, but then that would make us educated. They don't want that.
I couldn't agree more. I'm about as far from an academic or intellectual as one could get, a truck driver as a matter or fact, and this was just like pure nourishment for my brain i was instantly so engaged i fired off 3 or 4 comments before Mr Wolf even finished his opening statement.lol My point is the gatekeepers think the average Joe has no interest in any sort of long form or in depth philosophical discussion/debate when that couldn't be further from the truth. These are the big ideas that will shape our future for better or worse and as a society we should be breaking them down, scrutinizing and re-scrutinizing them constantly from all sides n angles.
@@buckyflex1 Intellectualism is about sonder interest in the truth, not profession. I wouldn't make the assumption that a truck driver is incapable of being an intellectual. Frankly, discussion of important economic ideas *must* include the working class. That is the driving force behind Marxist ideology, whether you think economic systems should be capitalist or not. Frankly, I would prefer a capitalist system where some board chairs are just employee representatives, almost like a company parliament. The thing is, this might actually be less efficient than just having the government impose a required board structure. Conversation as to what the best form of the system would be is up for debate, but all stakeholders, including employees, should be considered.
Like what @blackearl7891 said, the msm has an agenda and it is not to educate the masses, and if they do, then they educate the masses to what they want you to think not what might be true
@@buckyflex1 vary true my frend
that moderator is the only thing i dont like about this debate
Right? Why does he keep rushing them? Aren’t they there to debate? So annoying
@@alexjulia4870 I can relate to that. The the moderator is really itching for attention, disgusting!
The moderator was definitely a douchebg.
bold agree
Disagree. Keep everything to the point. That way you get maximum information and minimal fluff. People like this cam debate the tiniest nuance for hours. The audience doesn't have hours.
I learned what capitalism and communism is only after I graduated high school.
Im learning about it right now in 12th grade lol
@@mystuff6045 definitely watch Richard wolffs stuff
Socialism and communism are two totally different from each other and barely any Americans even know that
Gimpzilla not totally different. All communist are pro socialism but not all socialist are pro communism. I do agree though a lot of people don’t know the difference.
Kenzz_mw yeah. Socialism is the community claiming the means of production, communism is the state.
Can’t tell if anyone in the comments favors capitalism or socialism, just that they don’t like the moderator.
Edit: Shit 2k likes and 166 relies. Never had that happen thanks guys. Not that that means anything, but it feels good.
Lmao 🤣🤣
Hate, at the the of the day, is what unites. 🤣🤣
A mix of both ideologies seems to be preferable.
@@applesnpears9828 The issue is the people with power they do not allow reform or give us the bare minimum. Government is protecting private interests over the madnesses, our capitalist society is not democratic it’s just a mess. Even the markets are bullshit now. So many issues with our systems today. If anyone here does favour capitalism I think even they would admit our market is definitely not free. Currently trying to learn the best approach to make things better.
@@applesnpears9828 congratulations you’ve come full circle and arrived at FDRs new deal
Socialism here. Was on the fence until the capitalist guy started talking s*** about the socialist rather than keeping it on the subject
A person that sounds like Bernie Sanders vs a person that looks like Bernie Sanders.
*both proceed to talk about Bernie Sanders*
Eastern Europe jews
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@Sepher Agon hahahahhahah what
@Sepher Agon no need to be rude, honey.
Great debate from two extremely interesting men, even a terrible moderator who struggled to hide his own bias couldn't ruin it
who was he bias towards?
@@ksyssl1 The moderator is literally rimming the capitalist asses bud:]
@@ksyssl1capitalism
@@jayvboothProbably towards reality. But I’ll see.
@@DrivenA111you hadn’t even listened when you made the assertion his bias to capitalism was realism 😭 brother you have a bias.
Need more of theses debates, intelligent people using facts to argue there point and not dummies screaming at each other like monkeys
Wolff doesn't really make any sort of point though...
The gist of his whole argument is 'I want something else'
But the thing he wants is already that we already have...?
He just wants to force it onto everyone I guess...?
He doesn't make anything close to a technical economic argument this whole debate.
Not to mention that almost all of his 'points' about capitalism can be refuted by just silently pointing at Scandinavia...
Eros well Wolff’s whole argument is based on the whole Marxist idea that workers are exploited by wage labor.
But we can look at Scandinavia and see some of the most most egalitarian and successful advanced economies of all time. Some of the highest GINIs, best economic mobility. All the social programs you could imagine...
These are mixed ‘capitalist’ economies..
Free markets, large private, for profit sectors. This private sector and the growth it brings can be taxed to support social programs.
Wolff’s whole argument that ‘capitalism’ is inherently exploitive doesn’t really stand up to common sense economics.
At least domestically. Internationally is another long discussion to have.
John Proctor labor isn’t the only input of production. Labor is important but not necessarily all that important in many companies.
We can talk utopia all day and use that as a framework to criticize the current system.
But ‘workers DESERVE to be paid their average product of labor or it’s EXPLOITATION’ is a pretty dumb oversimplified starting off point.
John Proctor ‘some owners treated their slaves well and taught them to read’
You missed the entire point...
As I said...the most advanced, economically mobile, richest, egalitarian system OF ALL TIME...
That’s an achievement bud...
But you just whine that it’s not good enough because of some flawed and oversimplified philosophy about 'exploitation' and baselessly compare it to slavery.
Does it go to ANYWHERE? they have debated this since forever
The moderator thought everyone was there to listen to him
The moderator decided to channel a poor man’s Tony Montana from Scarface. 😂🤦🏼♀️
🗣🗣
@@ViaMirage cringe comment bro
Idiotic statement from the moderator indeed.
He’s a libertarian thought leader
Best line of this debate, "Don't let school get in the way of your education."
- Mark Twain.
Lol, everyone is a moron here.
@@katalinas9264 love Mark Twain
@@dirtydingusmcgee8926 ditto
I haven't let school get in the way of my education, and I have learned that socialism is one of the most vile ideologies on the planet. It is responsible for the murder of over 100,000,000 million innocent people,and has oppressed billions.
I am from Uganda, thanks to the participants for their debate. It has given us a new direction in the reasoning of ideas.
Yes
A Ugandan here too
POV: You're here looking for valid arguments and just seeing everyone hate the Mod
the mod really shouldn't have that job though lol
CAPITALISM AND THE SO CALLED DEMOCRACY ARE THE BEST ASYLUM FOR THE RULERS, THE ELITES AND THE RICH TO LOOTING THE POOR IN THE NAME OF JUSTICE BUT IT IS A LURE FOR THE COMMON AND THE DENIED.
@@mcs106 oh shut up
@@arpitabrahmachari7649 he's right...heter
@@theamericanspirit8590 Mohammed's statement was completely out of place, like he was just hijacking a top comment. Doesn't matter whether he was right, he shouldn't have said it here.
Imagine if US had a presidential debate this clean..
may be in our dreams. US Presidents are very far from this caliber of intellectualism lol
*we
That couldve happened if trump wasnt one of the debaters
@@alextrainor2552 oh yeah because Biden’s decomposing brain connections wasn’t it?? 🤣
@@alextrainor2552 Trump 2024 baby!! USA 🇺🇸
"don't let school get in the way of your education" - love it!
Mark Twain
dont let corona stop your education at home it is better to learn at home then to go to school and be exposed to the virus high school kids get the virus and a 12 year old died of it so it is saying even a toddler can get it your kids are to precious to let go to school love them while you can all you can and keep them safe and at home college can be done online just like grade school i rather be doing this for my kids would,nt you take care everybody and for all of you just so you know mega dosing vitamin c will help clear out phmonia
Mark Twain with brilliant!
Brilliant
you get qualifications in school, true education comes from living life
I can really appreciate a healthy debate and open dialogue.
This is way more formal and properly conducted than last year's presidential debate.
of course, because these guys are competing for a position
crazy how unintelligent our candidates for president typically are
That's because these two are fundamentally different in philosophy were as Dems and Republicans are essentially identical save a few social positions.
That debate was kind of a low bar, I think. ;)
We should stop with the whole politicians business it's a joke.
Always hate when a moderator injects themselves into a debate to this extent
Agree!
same here!!! if he wanted to ask he must cue up!!! 😡😡
You should have a look at debates in Indian News channel, where the moderator comes with his own agenda of spreading communal hatred.
Specific suggestions: Arnab Goswami debates (News Channel: Republic India)
Have a look at any of his debate and you'll know the sorry state of Indian news media.
@Bob G most commies do
He's the instigator
In the interests of having a smooth running discussion while minimizing interruption, can we all agree that Nick Gilespie should never run a debate again?
Absolutely. He has time to crack jokes, then won't allow people asking questions to make a single statement to add context to their question. It's the Nick Gillespie show here. This isn't a debate. It's the Nick Gillespie show.
MARXISM, COMMUNISM AND SOCIALISM ARE PRODUCTS JUST LIKE CAPITALISM.
If you are interested in buying some MARXISM, COMMUNISM AND SOCIALISM PRODUCTS:
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MARXISM, COMMUNISM AND SOCIALISM ARE PRODUCTS JUST LIKE CAPITALISM. MARXISM, COMMUNISM AND SOCIALISM PRODUCTS ALL MARKETED TO YOU AS FREE CANDY AND ARE SUPER ATTRACTIVE TO SUFFERING PEOPLE. SOCIALISTS ARE THE BEST SNAKE OIL CAPITALISTS OF ALL TIME. YOU END UP GIVING UP ALL YOUR FREEDOMS AND ALL YOUR BRAIN FUNCTIONS UP FOR ONE CRAP PRODUCT THAT DOES NOT EVEN EXIST - (FREE STUFF). CAPITALISTS ONLY THRIVE WHEN THEY GET WHAT HELPS! HOWEVER, YOU ONLY HAVE TO BUY WHAT YOU NEED. CAPITALISM REQUIRES REAL LIFE EXPERIENCE AND EFFORT AND FULL FREEDOM TO THINK AND TO SEE THE SNAKE OIL SALESMAN AS HE APPROACHES YOU. YOU THEN CAN REMOVE THEM FROM EXISTENCE NOT THOUGH VIOLENCE BUT BY NOT BUYING. THE SNAKE OILMAN COMES IN MANY FORMS. YOU NEED TO LIVE FREE TO FIND THEM!
i was laughting on the fist question , the dude talked too much and tried too much to build a context.
But then Nick just tried to land some jokes just like that "man bum" joke, moments that he makes it more confusing and odd (i did laught about the joke).
They should have unionized against the moderator
Police unions are the reason corrupt officers always get paid leave and rarely fired.
Maybe he is mad because the 30 seconds he mentioned are not relevant? I did not notice nothing related to that
MrIHadToDoIt a good example of why not all unions are good. In this example, it gives undue to power to police, who are not working class. Their relationship to economic production is enforcement of the laws instituted by the ruling class (private capital). Unions are beneficial for the working class to collectively bargain, aka to have any chance at bargaining at all instead of simply being fired for asking for more equality. The purpose of the police union is to shield cops from the consequences of their unlawful behavior, which is disproportionately used to afflict the working class
Yes, thank you.
Bah! Socialism! They should have simply outcompeted him in the marketplace.
This is just two different versions of Bernie Sanders from alternate realities
All doctors of economics around the same age so lol
Bernie sanders and Joe Biden said that Socialism is found on Surplus and there are all kinds of surplus American government hoards stuff in warehouses and they call this surplus there are many many many kinds and they were talking about giving it away where you always save more money so much junk the government hoards
it is like matter v anti matter economics the thing is Bernie said that it is provided by surplus and so did little Joe Joe is not all together to be able to lead he should be removed from the election before he causes any more harm to America or himself and or others
It's actually the Bernie Sanders from our reality but split in half
Wolf is the biggest pseudo economist I’ve heard from Harvard tbh
"This moderator was terrible"
Capitalist bootlickers 🤝 Socialists
Lmfao I love how I know what meme you’re referring to
@@Htiy Memes transcend language.
He was absolutely horrible. I was screaming at the screen “shut the fuck up”z
The fucking moderator asked a question
A person that sounds like Bernie Sanders vs a person that looks like Bernie Sanders.
"we privatized profits and we socialized losses" ... as much as a capitalist supporter I can be, this quote hits differently...
Who did that, though? The capitalists, or their opposites, the government?
@@willnitschke Finally someone who gets it
The government is the capitalists puppet@@willnitschke
@@willnitschkeyou think governments oppose capitalism?
Exactly. They SOCIALIZED the losses. That is not capitalism.
"If it's too difficult for you to hear me out, then it's a sign that I'm getting to you." Legendary.
Any idea what the bloke yelled out?
"Stop complaining"
Sorry, he said "stop whining" I don't understand the other part.
So true, so sad.
@@titantron5840 his mind will never change unfortunately
Rarely we see both those in the side of socialism and capitalism in so much agreement, we both find this moderator annoying.
@Larry Riffett You're an idiot.
Solidarity 👊
@@wackoyacko4541 and me
@Larry Riffett wait, if Libertarians are Socialists, who are actually Capitalists? AnCaps only or what?
@Larry Riffett I'm sorry what?
*Don't let this comment distract you from the fact that mr krabs once sold spongebobs soul for 62 cents*
A true capitalist.
You didnt distract.... you brought this tragedy to my attention.
Spongebob and squidward need to seize the Krusty Krab. While Spongebob provides the labor for creating the burgers and squidward runs the front end of the business taking orders from the customers, the capitalist (pig) crab pockets the profit while giving the two workers a pittance. Nobody earns the value of their labor.
Obviously this is why spongebob and squidward live in squalor and discomfort next to Patrick, who literally lives under a rock, while the bourgeoise live elsewhere. Krabs justifies his profit because he procured the capital to create the restaurant and owns the formula, while actively doing nothing of value for his workers or his society. Plankton, meanwhile, is a reflection of the class struggle as he is ruthlessly outmatched at every turn due to the inherent inequality in the system.
Neither worker can “choose” to get another job because the reality of Bikini Bottom is that there aren’t any other reasonable options. Squidward obviously does not voluntarily wish to be there. There is a guise of individualism and self determination thrown over a flawed system. Unfortunately, as long as they can feel superior to Patrick, who is lower in society, they too believe they can one day be like Mr. Krabs.
YES, an argument for socialism. Finally
Dandelo what kind of bullshit is that? crabs built the whole restaurant, he owns it, it is his, the formula is his, spongebob and squidward would have nothing without him, he could replace spongebob and squidward but they can‘t replace the formula, i don‘t know if you are just joking or just a dumbass but there are more than enough dumbasses who would believe the bullshit you just wrote so i took it serious
Every comment I’ve read on this comment section refers to the respectful conduct both use throughout the debate. If that doesn’t highlight the depth the current political debate system has sunk to, don’t know what does…
Sad to see really
Sorry but no place for socialism in this world. You don’t know shit about anything if you disagree.
@@jcoxy1057 Can you tell me what socialism is?
When the comment section is praising both sides for having a good debate and not breaking out into arguments, you know it had to be good
Too late, the communists are in force here and buthurt now.
@@janehrahan5116 You seem like the only one butt hurt Jane. Take your partisan politics elsewhere
@@kiwikiwi2483 he's actually right. Michael Mappin the paid shill has been spamming commmunist propaganda for over a year on this video. He's paid to support Richard Wolff and this is shown by the fact that they spams every Richard Wolff video he finds with copy/paste script full of false and misleading information.
@@ExPwner I didn't find this Michael Mappin comment anywhere. So again, I will ask the both of you to take your ignorance and political bias elsewhere and let the logical people enjoy a civil debate for once.
@@kiwikiwi2483 sort comments by new and look at the replies. He's been responding to practically every comment for over a year solid and he does it from a script.
I've not once been ignorant. I've been plenty logical.
The thing that struck me the most throughout the debate, is how two people with vehemently opposing views, respected each other, actively listened and could engage in heated conversation, without resorting to petty insults and underhandedness. They both remained lazer focused throughout and even managed to find some common ground. In parts of the debate they stood up and protected the others right to speak and be heard, when heckled by audience members.
A lack of civility and the inability to respect a political opponent in this way, is perhaps the greatest threat to modern democracy, politics and freedom of expression we currently face.
This is what serious people sound like. Very different from our world leaders isnt it?
Socialism is the greatest threat to democracy and freedom of expression we face today.
goood
I wonder how old politicians go to sleep peacefully everyday inthis day and age when so many people are afraid and hungry everyday. It is is so sad. And they all want to be humanitarians while killings of innocents go on and on everyday.
They serve the same boss ( globaliste s) against a common ennemi which is the people.
Gene Epstein begins with an apology to Richard Wolff for an earlier outburst, he subsequently transitions into a critique that personalizes the concept of socialism to Wolff’s interpretations, rather than addressing the ideology in a broader sense. This strategy subtly shifts the debate from a general discussion to a more personal critique, which could be perceived as a nuanced form of personalization that edges towards underhanded critique, albeit within the bounds of formal respect.
EDIT: Yeah... Gene is literally attacking Richard's character and whenever he touches on the primary subject he just gives examples of all the current problems we are living with...
So you’re telling me they aren’t the same person
they are both so adorable I'm sorry haha
😂😂😂😂😂
It wasn't really live. The same actor played both characters. Have you seen the parent trap? Its like that. You're welcome.
This is what a debate sounds like. The crap we are used to on television is not.
Nothing on television is good anymore.
It was good to hear a debate about capitalism vs socialism without having a broadcaster pushing their agenda, and also seeing the two people debating let each other talk. Very interesting!
It was good, and the Capitalism’s argument was full of strawmaning. For example, the hypothetical about a socialist party winning the majority of votes of the ballot box, then introducing full blown socialism overnight.
However, Socialism’s argument included the history of the process of Capitalism, it was not an overnight change from Faudism but a centuries long process. Just logically, that’s exactly how most ideas come to fruition. So it’s a bit of a strawman argument from Capitalism, which raises questions about integrity and trustworthiness.
@@mr12aT This debate was about socialism vs capitalism. But all that wolff was arguing was about why capitalism is so bad, that it is unstable, that and that. He never once presented the benefits of socialism. The capitalism guy literally said capitalism is not perfect and he listed the disadvantages, he said we should be careful with capitalism, and also talked about the benefits. Wolf never one talked about the benefits of socialism only why capitalism is bad. He did not talk about the disadvantages of socialism.
If someone tries to sell me a car and all he does is criticizing my current car, without talking about the the functionality of the new car,. I know he talks bullshit and he knows that too, and is just trying to con me. I never trust people that only talk about the disadvantages of the product, system, person, that they don't like without actually talking about what he is offering.
I honestly have no idea what kind of system wolff offers, i only know what kind of system he hates and that is not what this debate was about.
@@pElisei Taxation, for any purpose, is literally theft via extortion. On the other hand, it is a myth that capitalism is a meritocracy. They are both completely wrong.
Taxation is cannibalism.
Capitalism is a grotesque game of musical chairs, in which 99 percent lose, then propaganda attempts to get them to blame themselves.
Socialism is parasitism, plain and simple. It works until you run out of victims to tax. socialist propaganda encourages the cannibals to murder and gorge, until there are no more John Galts to murder.
@@noneone8726 There has to be a balance. A pure capitalist system leads to monopolies a pure socialist system leads to dictatorship. The best economies have the freest markets... look at singapore, switzerland, sweden and all nordic countries. Their markets are highest freedom of economy index, no minimum wage. Singapore has 0% tax and has one of the best economies.
It has to be a balance. There has to be regulations and i think Unions are important to keep in check companies
I only posted my comment on the video because i was really pissed that all wolff did was criticize capitalism. He did not even talk about socialism. Only spout anti capitalist propaganda.
There was no straw man from Gene and capitalism does NOT lead to monopoly. My God, it’s always dumbass talking points.
Moderator's more interested in being funny than being good at his job.
Agree. Pretending to be all about keeping things on schedule while wasting time throughout with his distracting smarmy comments. Needs to learn to check his ego at the door, and that he's not as funny or charismatic as he thinks he is. Remarkably stupid comment about Bernie Sanders too which led to another big waste of time. Worst kind of moderator.
ua-cam.com/video/4QqWZL_xksQ/v-deo.html
@MajorLeague yep. Socialism sucks ass and always has.
@@ExPwner ??? lmao USA is a mixed economy that embodies socialism...
@@jamez3875 wat?
Now this is the kind of debate i like watching. Clear, audible, to the point. Not those screaming matches where you dont get the point across just the voice and the constant jumping in or cutting off to get on the other's nerves and cutting them off mid sentence.
Why can't debates be like this. Well informed and civil. Not teenagers yelling at eachother on tiktok.
It wouldent be entertaining in my humble opinion .Part of politics is the theatrics, its how people some times get engaged in the moment.
How dare you age-shame teenagers, with their vast wisdom and lived-experiences! Alert twitter and the media, you must be cancelled immediately.😆
Why you even expect anything super productive out of teenagers is beyond me. But what also eludes me, is why you don’t acknowledge that these old souls were, at some point, those young teenagers. We all start somewhere.
I don’t think you should expect much out of tiktok debaters, but also don’t shame them. They’ll mature eventually.
I wouldn't know. I'm not stupid enough to watch tiktok. I believe these men are considered experts in their subject. Kids on tiktok are just mimicking what they heard in class that day from the cool teacher.
@@kallioperobling3359 Unfortunately we live in a world where people make content on other people's content, so you occasionally see ticktok post reposted on youtube.
Moderator makes fun of audience member's appearance. Juvenile and insulting behavior meant to intimidate and demean.
The fuck
right? very inappropriate
What should you care if it is meant to intimidate and demean, ultimately it is your own choice if you choose to let those words resonate within you or not.
I think it was meant to be funny rather than demeaning. It was definitely in poor taste and insulting/demeaning even if that wasn’t the intent though. This moderator is terrible.
Lol yeah. He is typical of certain type of libertarians.. Did you see his dressing sense. He literally wears that jacket to each interview.
A certain type of libertarians are just immature people.
Moderator "I'm going to be a nazi"
First person to ask a question " hello I am from Germany" lmfao
and then he tells him to shut up lmao
I thought I was the only one who caught that lol
Can you post the mark point lmao
@@reddseth9733 Golddddd
@@czvkxo I believe it’s 49:00
South Korea/North Korea - East Germany/West Germany - Hong Kong/China- China/ Taiwan
Yeah, barely Communist. And all Sabotagdd in one way or another.
And ofc countrys you know little about. Also: Cuba? Hello?
"If it's too difficult to hear me out, it's a sign that I'm getting to you."
Ouch, professor.
Whoa, rhetorical skill!
What did the guy say?
Wolffe don't play!! 👍♥️🤣😂🤣
@@BOOMProductionsVIDs "stop whining"
Sounded like the dude just wanted to get kicked out. Because I would've laughed at his dumbass while kicking him out
"in the age of the internet, dont let school get in the way of your education."
professor wolf absolutely won and destroyed his opponent in this debate, but that quote from his opponent here is very telling.
@@Azerath2 no he didn't you dumbass. He lost the debate in every way. He lost the vote count and he didn't have one coherent argument. He lied the whole way through. Attributing war to capitalism, making bogus claims about wages and poverty....all lies.
@@Azerath2 , not only did Epstein not have a valid counterargument, he ended up agreeing with wolf most of the time. How can anyone in their right mind argue against workers owning and controlling their own labour and resources? Obviously worker cooperatives keep more wealth and control with the communities and the workers. That means greater purchasing power for the community. It makes communities less dependant on government and billionaire corporations when it comes to jobs and consumer goods. The workers are doing their own work rather than someone else's.
@@ExPwner that vote was from right winged people. Stop calling people dumb. unless you're looking in the MIRROR
@Me Super not an argument, fucktard.
Don’t let school get in the way of your education
Was it Mark Twain who said that?
@@grammagranski8095 obviously
@@faressalih7253 to be honest
u dont need to go to school to learn capitalism
it needs experience and ambition
Growing up in the 90 definitely didn’t learn about untill deep in my 30’s and yes that is sad.
@@michaeljosephjackson2364 It would be nice especially being blk and not knowing how the world wrks.
Destiny got destroyed in this debate
Vaush got destroyed in this debate.
cultural catholic bruh
Dr Ninja JF got divorced in this debate
Please tell me you're being ironic with that choice of words.
@@AmateurContendr It's a meme
What I learned from this: All socialists look like Bernie Sanders.
Thomas Sankara, a black man: *visible confusion*
@@rockstarskolas it is simply called... a joke
Too bad bernie isnt one😅
@@liampremo6798 then what is he
@@jb8785 simply a social democrat. For all the fear mongering that he would end capitalism... He would actually preserve/save it. The same way fdr did.
I feel like you should probably include the names of the debaters in the title. Seems a little odd not to.
The concept of debate is new to you.
@@billfargo9616 What are you talking about
would u really want youtube to demonotized and de rank this videos more...
@The Cheap Investor that's mr dr wilf to you
Perhaps the search can pick up on what is in the description which does contain their names? Not sure how youtube works but a quick google search of their names with the word debate brought it up nicely.
I imagine the clickbaity title, which drew me in, does its job well
Great debate. I didn't really like the very last speech since it went back to stereotyping. But besides that it was pretty epic. I learned a lot.
I've never seen a man debate himself before.
Masdebation
@@Liveitlarge247 Mass Debate
@Eric Cartman seconded
Liam H are you from Boston?
What you're seeing there is someone being as honest as he can in his beliefs. Which is odd yes.
Guys I just replaced the T H E in THE with A M O N G U S and got Among Us 🤯🤯😱😱
Fuck everybody.
I thought I'd balance things a bit.
Do you think people ho fight in UA-cam comments actually watch meaningful content? XD
Ni🇳🇬gga
This is an hour long debate.. people who aren’t chill are elsewhere just entertaining themselves and fighting in the comments.
Only retards are chill on this topic.
"Yes, what is your question?"
"Well, I-"
"ALRIGHT, THANK YOU, THAT'S ENOUGH."
😂😂😂.
Majority of the engines (employees) who are behind World production of goods and services are abused and ripped off under the guise of capitalism. Man eat man society.
@@abdullahiibrahim1785 Lol You are mistaking the majority with the minority like Lenin did in the past.
@@sealking3838 unsubstantiated claim. also, abdullahi is not Lenin. not all socialists are the same. we have disagreements about what socialism should be.
Lmao
Was there ever a sequel to this debate where time wasn't an issue!?
BTW, thanks for posting!
Either way you lean on this issue, there’s no Reason to have Nick Gillespie moderate another debate ever again.
Such a straw man
Yeah, the first audience question was very poorly mishandled. He also didn't structure the debate as he outlined at the beginning with statements, rebuttal, and then Moderator Questions. I think he just got too antsy and rushed into the audience questions
@jamee boss Capitalism: you made these chips but I own the chip brand so I take 90% of your labour
@@Bolizen +Uncle Sam = I need YOU! To give up 25% of your income!
Municipality + State take 10%
Down to 6.5% of the profit for the product made 100% by you.
Now, depending where you live, you must spend some on the side, to spend any on goods.
@@Bolizen Capitalism: the worker chooses which company to go and make chips. If he doesn't like the boss he can leave at any time.
Socialism: everybody is forced to make chips and give it away to be distributed
Moderator: Let's stay on topic! (makes a joke about a guy's man bun)
Guy: Yeah my man bun is-
Moderator: STAY ON TOPIC!
lmao!
That was annoying
I bet you are a fan of William Lane Craig
@@mdbahrozbaburali What an amazingly accurate "guess" 😛
@@Vic2point0 actually I found you yo be the only defender of him in a video related to his debate with Seam Carroll. I admire William Lane Craig a lott. He is one of the best intellectuals i have ever had the privilege to listen to.
It’s crazy to think that as a graduate student in the United States, I can say I have never been taught anything about any of this in my grade school years.
it wasant taught directly, but youve become a socialist without knowing it.
@@raskeltv8882 Yeah because grade school you don't learn what those in power don't want you to. Uni is where you start learning about the dark side of capitalism.
I'm in high school right now and sadly I see it everywhere, schools nowadays tend to paint America as the bad guys in every single situation possible
@@cowfwee6634 because we are the bad guy welcome to the party!
@@cowfwee6634 That's because USA is the bad guys
Very interesting debate. I too wish we had more of this, for many many other topics as well.
"Two young men in the prime of their lives". There is a poem in Persian which says: "توانا بود هرکه دانا بود، ز دانش دل پیر برنا بود", meaning, "Mighty is he who has knowledge; from knowledge the old heart becomes young."
Not just the heart, but the mind as well.
i thought it was a mistake at first. lol
Beautiful, thanks for sharing that!
ولی حقیقتا بعضی وقتا ز دانش دل برنا پیر بُود ! هرچی بیشتر از اتفاقای کثیفی که تو این دنیا داره میفته میفهمی بیشتر زجر میکشی و این کافیه تا تو اوج جوونی پیرت کنه.
It's great! I have always wonder how many things we're missing by ignoring foreign authors.
can we all democratically vote to eject the moderator into space?
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for lunch. But the moderator does suck, instead can we write a letter to the representative who employees him?
Davin S I wish no harm, even to those who may seemingly deserve it. There are things I suck at much like how this moderator sucks at moderating . “I have spoken.... “ lol
Honestly that dude is such a pretentious prick
The speakers are great !
@rob see Gene Epstein said on the Tom Woods podcast that he had asked the mod in advance to be biased in favor of the proposition. That way his victory could not be disputed.
Why are there so many debates with awesome guests and terrible moderators?
That's when you know it's a controlled debate with bias.
Well, one awesome guest. The other one is nearly senile.
Everyone knows that moderators so it does the control and perceived power not the money. It’s a mindset.
Because a debaters job is to make themselves and their positions look better. A moderators job is not to make themselves look good, but to challenge the debaters to be understood, which both supporters of either side can agree to dislike because a challenge feels like an attack to a partisan.
Fear.
Jacque has a community in Flordia and he gave tours of the community and explained how his no monetary system worked. He had futuristic homes he designed.
A healthy and calm debate, not shouting and raving, wish we had more of this today.
it's difficult when you have to hear the bullcrap from your political opponent
@@mgsmemebook which side are you talking about because I’ll gladly back up either one. We need to both to keep in balance of social policy and free market capitalism
@@cap1913 we do not need socialism at all.
@@ExPwner say goodbye to vacation, 8hour workday, etc
@@anders3871 nope. Socialism did not bring those.
Watching a debate where both parties respect each other’s views even though they disagree was fuckin refreshing. You don’t realize how informative a debate can be until there are no personal insults thrown around, absolutely fantastic 👏🏻👏🏻
Just watch "Firing Line with William F. Buckley" then. He had so many great guests on over the years. Allen Ginsburg to Ronald Reagan. Muhammad Ali but also Thomas Sowell. And in cases where Buckley agrees with the guest, he brings on a counterpoint to them, such as with Sowell where Buckley brings on a feminist to debate him. That's a funny one.
I love how it doesn't descend into petty name calling-- they're actually talking and progressively arguing. Let's revel in the importance of discourse.
Ehhh, the socialist debater did do some cheap shots.
They’re professors, this isn’t a twitch debate lol
Jews debating Jews and defining the shape of the box of allowable discourse. F**k these people.
@@dustinheffker3524I didn't see it. The name calling is cable news. There's a difference of respect in a university debate vs a TV debate that runs as a show.
❤very informative
This was a good debate. My only complaint is that the debaters didn't get to cross examine each other.
They didnt debate.
Den of libertarians. I commend them on having the courage to give Richard Wolfe a platform.
@Virgil Kemp "Socialists are envious, violent beta", lot of projections
@Virgil Kemp you must be one of them " peaceful alphas" then, no?
Libertarians value freedom of speech. I would argue that inviting Wolff to the debate has little to do with courage, but more of an exercise of their values.
@@wallycheladyn1190 if they are giving him a platform strictly as a meaningless exercise of their "values" then I agree it has nothing to do with courage. Nor in my opinion is their any value in their empty tribute to "free speech." If on the other hand they were actually attempting to listen his ideas with open minds as I suspect they were then I commend their courage.
@Virgil Kemp Libertarians do not have any free will or free thought nor a critical mind, they just want to feel good about themselves when they take easy and conforming ways. This is why this slimy economist agreed so much with Wolff but cherrypicked things as usual. They are all sophists. To them, the truth does not matter, what truly matters is the perception of the people who listen to them. Do people buy their arguments or not? What and how should they say and represent it so that others would buy their arguments? These are the most important questions to rightwing economic "radicals".
and you are never born an "individual" but become one. If you buy an iphone and play cherrycrush on it then how would I think of you as someone "unique"? Free will is an illusion in which we have to believe in order to sustain ourselves till we die.
The moderator is disrespectful, sarcastic, and lacks credibility to moderate a debate.
the moderator is paid by the chinese communist party and isn a traitor to democracy, freedom and America like the rest of the corrupt american academia eleitists/leftists.
He showed up wearing a leather jacket😂
I'm sorry that your education was incomplete, but this is what happens when education is optional, and at personal expense. Those without any curiosity spew ignorance as fact.
Loser George, you're an ignorant fool.
Enjoy your dystopia.
I disagree. I was grateful that he disallowed preambles to questions. I, too, don't care about the questioner's name or background. Get to the question! Maybe we'll have time for more questions that way.
@@JimLockett Turd eater. Shove communism up your sorry arse. Communism is not just a false and evil ideology, but goes well beyond any dystopian worldview. It has faled miseraly every time it was tried out, in all parts of the world. karl Marx was an ignorant fool, an imbecile a, a fraud and a liar, like all communists that follow his limping steps. Communism is immoral, anti-human, dishonest, intolerant and the supreme manifestation of ignorance and stupidity, Only retards, liars, douchebags and criminals endorse communism.
I hope the moderator learns from this debate. He was terrible
Exactly what I came here to say. I get that he wants to keep the questions straight to the point but he always has to have the last word or make a “witty” comment and expect the person not to acknowledge/respond to it.
He’s auditioning for a role in “Grease”
He sold Capitalism pretty good.
It's when you point at the weaknesses of a system and marvel at them and consider them a feature that for some reason it stops sounding unappealing and instead something to be appreciative of.
nonsense, I dont think regular recession and wars from competition is intersting
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Socialism/ communism is a permanent recession and there is no competition which is why there is no choice.
@@shani5345you just described capitalism, the monopolization of capital can't be regularized in a true capitalist society.
5 Company's practically control everything we see and consume, the difference is that under capitalism they brainwash you to think you're "free".
@@shani5345yes let me choose among 3 different brands of the same thing, i feel so free!
“Two YOUNG men in the prime of their lives” laying it on thick with the roast buddy gotdaammnnnn
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🏠 Stupid people System is the problem 🏡 Our Life should be around these Great Qualities.....
1, Show all living creatures; all the love and kindness as much as you can.
2, Only try to be honest with yourself. If you try to be honest with others, you will get into big trouble soon or later.
3, Aim only one target at a time; otherwise you are chasing two rabbits and you will miss both. So, the reason behind it. Have one powerful reason and never ever give up the one you want the most.
4, Don't try to be good person only but be the powerful person. We will grow to be the one or we will die. There is no other choice.
5, Always learn and look for to improve something your life.
6, You are not alone. Love and faith the high power reduces unnecessary stress in life. But never completely rely on it.
7, Success and happiness are the byproducts of our usefulness. So, always increase the possibility of success.
8, Life is not going to be easy. Because of our unnecessary things. Eliminate all the unnecessary things as much as you can by organising yourself well with the environments.
9, Never believe anything without the proper evidences.
10, Always try to give more than you take.
Because it is dignity/ character of the divinity within you.
🌎 As long as people continue to see themselves as separate from everything else, they lend themselves to being completely enslaved. Success depends on how well we relate to everything around us. Joy comes from that bliss of connectedness. I believe that unarmed truth and love will have the final word in reality. To love; you should have good heart. I am a good person until I see a person better than my standard of goodness. Being good is the progress towards a worthy cause. Love is God. Whoever lives in love, lives forever. How selfish it is to try to keep something forever? Love is all about nourishing, nurturing, sharing and expanding the love within you for all. The principle to which we adhere to is that we have kindness of love at heart for the whole of mankind. As long as there is the unnecessary differences within us; we can not live peacefully so we have to eliminate all the unnecessary differences among us so we can love all. People abilities may vary but not there true love. If we love a person/ God for a reason then we love the reason but not the person. No reason is the reason to love the person because true love never fails. So do not compare or measure the true love as first or the last but love all truly. If you love people truly then you can understand people. If you don't love then you don't understand people at all.
People are controlled by system why?
The Cyclical Consumption is the current economy all over the World. It is making the scarcity problems of the earth finite resources to deteriorate day by day. Current Monetary System is legalised theft. Real money is Gold and Silver. Scarcity gives the money more value. Real money won't lose it's value. When Governments stay away from Gold & Silver then very easy to transfer the wealth / resources to upper class the Rich (Corporatocracy) Elite. When the Governments are printing out more new fiat currency with reserve banks, our old currency is losing its purchasing power everyday. They are printing millions of currency everyday. All governments and laws are existing right now to transfer wealth to upper class the rich elite. The USA Government & other Governments are in many countries, bailed the investment banks & financial institutions in 2008 against the majority of the people. There is no democracy in any countries. Because of the Money System based on profits motive only above all else even humans lives and well-being. So, we do not have freedom to protect our values with the money so on. The violence, bankruptcy & all the negativities are build into the Monetary System of our society. All are owned (including ourselves) by Reserve Bank. Which is private cartel the corporation. So, in legal system, we are legally considered as chattel the properties. They make money in the capital markets with our birth certificates. They do not consider us as Humans. That's the truth. We are at the invisible war with the Elites (Corporatocracies). We have to fight for our Freedom. Resource Based Economy is the Solution. We have to declare the earth resources as the heritage of all the people of this world. So everyone has access to it. Please have your research about zeitgeist movement then you know the truth more.
Truth About Health/Drugs Industry Because Of It Your Life At High Risk The drug industry is a 1/2 trillion dollars a year worldwide conglomerate. Almost 300 billions dollars just in North America. That is really big business. What would happen if everyone were well? There is no money in health. You see, good health makes a lot of sense but it doesn't make a lot of dollars. Because everything they do is toxic. Every drug they use, prescription drugs, all drugs are liver toxic, bar none. If you've had amalgam fillings put in your mouth by dentists. It is highly toxic. There's cancer because most of the chemos are themselves carcinogens. To view the tumor as the cancer and we know the tumor is not the cancer. The cancer industry is 200 billions dollars a year. The more work they get, the more profit there is. You have to dismantle; If the truth ever came out about what we would need to do. 30% of people of females in America are at risk of getting, will get cancer of the breast. The ones that are already dead have been grossly mistreated by the medical profession and by the government that supposedly is supposed to encourage free research and development of all possibilities. Why would medical doctors who studied medicine and practice medicine and are heavily funded by pharmaceutical companies why would they go and look into vitamins? That they never had the answer orthomolecular. And as more and more of our population start taking their health into their own hands, there's going to be even more and more of changes. It can't go on the way it is. The system is failing apart. We must make nutrition the primary prevention strategy for the population. You are what you eat. You are everything that you have ever done to yourself. The choices you make directly affect the outcome of your life. - (Food Matters Documentary in Netflix)
😊 Well, I truly love God. I am not religious but very spiritual person. So, I believe 1) Religion is the beliefs in someone experiences But spirituality is having my own experiences. The mainstream religions people promote religious ideology by giving guidelines and guide but In my spiritual life; I do not want anyone or anything between God and me to restrict my freedom to worship God. 2) We do not need any authorities to do good work. The god work is the good work always. In contrast; organised mainstream religions are claiming that they have the authorities to do God works as leaders so on. 3) God is not capable of doing wrong thing, change the past for us and create anything out of nothing for us. Nothing means not anything. So, even God is limited. The mainstream religious people believe that God is unlimited. 4) God wants us to take responsibilities for our righteousness life but not for all the consequences of our actions because they are continued to exist among us. So, How can god punish us for all our consequences? The mainstream religious people believe we are full of sins because of all our actions. 5) Freewill is an illusion. People always choose the perceived path of greatest pleasure. So, we do not have choices all the time. In contrast teachings of the mainstream religions are promoting people to do god's will always because we all have choices of freewill always. 6) We can not separate everything into groups. So, everything for good and evil and there's no success and failure for everything. If everything is real then real things can not be threatened. Once you come to understand that God/The Holy Spirit is in each of us, You will no longer need a Book to tell you how to live. Then why we need religious scriptures? The Virtue is the expression of the basic goodness in our actions. The Basic goodness is the fundamental worthiness of every individuals. We are worthy to God always in everything. 7) Beliefs in a cruel God makes a cruel man. No matter what; every living creatures has the right to live and What makes their life cheap? Everything depends on everything. Nothing too big or too small in value. We can not love and hate at the same time; Being a vegetarian means love without cruelty happily. The mainstream religious people are killing people and sacrificing animals in the name of God. They promote God's cruel punishments. The Punishment is endless for Sinners/Devil according to religious scriptures. But God is love always. Overcome hate with love. If all religions for peace, unity? No way. Because they are not for peace. 8) Well, The God gave us everything to go from moment to moment in our lives as we do our part and pray only to thank god then the Love is in progress. The Love is always for everyone. We are always worthy of the God's love. Our greatest fear is; not to be loved by anyone but we are all loved by someone. When we eliminate all our unnecessary differences among us then true peaceful life is possible with the true love. If we can't find the peace within ourselves then we will never find it anywhere else. 9) This is the Fight for independence and freedom of humanity to worship God freely without religious guide and guidelines to restrict us. Unnecessarily, We do not want third party controls over us in anything ; especially in spirituality. 10) Revive Survive Thrive. Sincerely, The Real Peacemaker against religious oppression.
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geez, 100 minutes of subtitled debate, whoever had to do that, thanks!
@Oplitis Λ No, somebody else did that. Subtitles are too good for automatic.
@@smuu1996 Maybe someone. But Voice recognition has gotten scarily good
Probably 95% voice recognition, 5% someone replacing a mistake
I severely disliked the moderator's self-importance and how he treated the audience
I think he checked himself out in a mirror before the debate and thought, "Holy Cow! I look like Tony Montana in 'Scarface.' I think I've got my character figured out, now!"
Yes, he definitely channeled a poor man’s Tony Montana. 🤦🏼♀️
@@ViaMirage "Say hello to annoying, leather-clad swagger!"
@@TheStockwell “Who put this thing together? Me, that’s who! Who do I trust? Me!” 😂
@@ViaMirage It's like they say in the concert hall: no matter how good the conductor is, he shouldn't take credit for writing the Beethoven Ninth.
Richard: what is this strange cherry picking of examples?
Also Richard: In 1956 a group of workers with a Catholic priest in the north of spain in little town called Mondragon made a successful co-op
No they didn't. Mondragon is a member co-op, nothing to do with what Cranky Professor Fruit Nut is ranting about, which are his worker co-ops.
@@willnitschke Mondragon is a federation of worker cooperatives. Those members are worker cooperatives.
@@bogdanzivkovic8711 Mondragon is a member co-op, and has nothing to do with worker co-ops. A few of its members are worker co-ops. Most of which are tiny and irrelevant. That's why every Marxist half wit wants to mention Mondragon, because there is little information available on its members. Hence Marxist love to bullsh*t about it.
Flew right over your head. He only wanted show that he can also cherry pick examples.
I love how the opposition speaker apologized for the monkeys outburst. This is how humanity should operate. No matter what your stance is
If you really believe what you’re saying, you wouldn’t call him a monkey.
@@thepoolb0y if you really read what I said, I never said anything about nor insulting people hahaha. I’m not interrupting an open debate by two people who have respect for one another. You can try again though;)
@@thepoolb0y **ball dropped…**
Does anyone know what the heckler even said?
@@theavocado6061 I think he said “I don’t want it” then “I don’t want to hear it” or I can’t hear it.”
I love how the capitalist guy was legit enough to defend wolfe when the other dude started talking shit
Some of his responses were just emotional jabber. No proof capitalism needs reform but what hes saying is unfounded
@@marioeid930 still tho he is allowed to speak and should be treated with respect
@@marioeid930 the fact insulin prices are the result of patent abuse, entire tracts of land are uninhabitable from mining, the fact we continue to have people living on the streets due to untreated mental illness or misfortune, or the fact entire generations now have their lives ruined because they had no savings and were underpaid when covid hit... or maybe how those that lived through the last Great Depression still save every last scrap of food like they have PTSD from starvation... nah none of that says capitalism is broken, nothing wrong with any of it.
@@Skyhawk656 i agree the system is corrupt. Definitely needs reform no doubt. School are part of the problem. I wouldnt be opposed to a new system entirely but socialism is not the answer
I think another big problem that gets over looked is the quality of people that bad economic circumstances create. A system ANY system is only as good as the people that run it
People in the comments are like: the debate was so good there’s no need for us to join it
Socialism got debunked, what else is there?
Literal robots lol
I'd Argue we need a referee
There's nothing stopping people from saying fallacies, throwing tantrums, calling each others names and so on
I am certain that I am now dumber for having listened to Richard Wolff.
@@FidgetyGuy you are correct... and so am I.... Vote for Pedro
Refreshing to see a debate where both sides understand each other and have enough time to speak unlike political debates which feel rushed and unprepared
“Please keep your questions short”
“Hello, allow me to explain my whole life story”
"Just one question please"
"Okay here are my questions"
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@@jamshaqtv3039 awesome
" I freed a thousand slaves I could've freed a thousand more if only they knew they were slaves" Harriet Tubman
Love the sentiment, too bad she didn't say that
employment is nothing more then being a wage slave warren buffet said something like this on you tube but hell the highest paid baseball player in MLB is getting paid $500.000.000 that is some blessing from slavery and the second highest paid MLB player is getting $250.000.000 still some blessing from slavery and now they are talking reparations from sports teams ,and ice cube is talking about the movie business owing them reparations when they get millions of dollars to act in a movie like barber ship and that sure is not beating on him that sure been blessing him real good with millions of dollars and greed and philosophy are nothing more then criminal narcissism Obama is the same way and this is all mafia trying to use and abuse the past as much they can to exploit white people for the past after all that has changed since Dr king and it is never enough milk everyone for all you can get hell even MCDONALDS is a financial blessing to all those who work there it sure beats the he3ll out of social security
@@michaelregan4409 Why is getting a wage equal to slavery?
@@hasaniwu there is a old term that Lincoln started and that was Wage Slave a nd it is anyone who works for a wage and the term later turned into employee and the owners became employer not master because we got free will to work for the individual now
@@hasaniwu Because yes people are getting wages, however the amount they are receiving is too inefficient. This forces them to increase work time. Ultimately, a massive amount of people are spending more time working than they are fulfilling their passions.
Slap that guy who asked the first question.
Moderator: just ask question, no speeches or non question.
1st one on the mic: when I was a child I studied....
When I was a boy in Bulgaria...
1st one: when I was a boy-
Moderator: *slaps* BEGONE
As someone from Germany... such a thick accent always makes me cringe...
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48:52 is the timestamp lol
This is one great debate in my opinion. The two protagonists seemed to be on the same page albeit with a different view. The foundation was the same. Advancement of the welfare of the people. This is what is meant by agreeing to disagree without being disagreeable. Bravo.
Great way of putting it. "Advancement of the welfare of the people". I know this isn't a political party debate but both conservatives and liberals are convinced that what they are doing is best for the people. After 12 years talking politics (much more to go I'm sure 😑), I've understood the issue is never black and white, but always nuanced and grey. We're always learning and seeing things from a different perspective. I just hope people don't forget that.
Great comment, but also, protagonist is the main character in a fictional work who advances the plot and likely the plot revolves around. Not really the right word choice, which is fine, just thought you might want to know that it was the wrong word choice. Sadly, this reality is not a fictional work... That we know of. 😜
Without incentive to work, to produce, very few will work or produce. There is no way to compel a members of a population to create an iPhone (Steve Jobs) or a laptop computer or the assembly line (Henry Ford) or the electric light bulb (Edison), UNLESS there is a justification for the commitment of time and effort.
When socialism fails - when it becomes plainly evident that no one is going to work harder than their neighbor because that would allow the neighbor to be lazy - the leadership gets frustrated and seeks a remedy by dominating and threatening (and killing) the population. This has happened in every authoritarian socialist country.
The failure to admit this truth is a poison on our species.
The corollary is this. We do not yet have enough understanding of Nature to provide all the things we need for free. It will be hundreds of years before that occurs.
When any person can have anything they want, at any time, in any quantity - technology will have advanced enough and permanently ended SCARCITY.
Because that is the reason incentives are needed - to eliminate SCARCITY by way of increasing our understanding of Nature.
Socialism and communism did not give us the airplane (the Wright brothers), the polio vaccine (Jonas Salk), refrigeration, the telephone (Alex Bell), and so on.
Socialism and Communism are:
- Venezuela
- North Korea
- Cuba
- the old USSR
No one flocks to those countries.
People flock to the United States.
People are not stupid, the bulk of us.
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@MrMorphicus I agree. I was a homeless teenager and a 10th grade dropout.
By my mid-30s, I had independent financial means and never again had a boss or a 'permanent' job.
It boils down to effort. If you are willing to make an effort in the U.S. you can improve your situation. How? I joined the military then went to college and made sure I studied a subject with lots of jobs available in the economy.
It was not easy but it was worth it. People who think they want communism or socialism are liars because they can buy a one-way plane ticket to Venezuela or Cuba or NKorea and immediately live in socialism/communism etc. BUT THEY NEVER DO THAT.
"I want socialism!" Okay relocate to Venezuela or another socialist country.
"I don't want to go to all that trouble!" Why not?
"Because I'm lazy!"
@MrMorphicus very true but what about the people not able to progress past their economic means because of their position in life which then in turn forces them to be stuck in the position of the employee and because pf that position they never rise up unless they can find either the means or simply put the willpower to do so. And alot of people don't have that
"and if you've read the financial times, you'd know we're waiting for the next crisis, maybe next year, or the year after"
covid: you called?
Covid didn't cause this. Government did. All of the socialist morons trying to say that this validates their ideology are idiots, through and through. For centuries capitalists have told people that government meddling in the economy causes problems and crashes. Yet in 1929, 2008 and now 2020 it's surprised Pikachu meme, as if their ideas weren't causing the problem.
@@ExPwner , I guess the government in the United States must be extremely incompetent. look at China. That's where the virus originated and yet they only have a handful of cases. The United States, on the other hand, they have only 4% of the world's population but over 25% of the covid cases and deaths.
@@michaelmappin1830 it is extremely incompetent, and that's why we should end it and instead have a capitalist approach to things like this. In the US, leaving it up to government meant that governors were ordering sick, COVID positive patients into nursing homes with the elderly who as we even knew then are the most vulnerable. It was also the FDA and other regulatory agencies which were slowing down the shipment of masks when people could have used them the most. Capitalist enterprises were ready to ship them but government got in the way. Then you also have governors shutting down the entire state when the best case for any shutdowns are in the biggest cities and NOT the entire state. I'm in one such lockdown state, and we've seen very little of this virus yet more problems from lockdowns than the virus itself.
@@ExPwner He mentioned China to highlight your government in generality argument moot. It is that you live under a CAPITALIST owned government that doesn't give a fuck about you and is also incompetent, in particular the most recent administration of Trump.
Except the financial crash was already being telegraphed well before we o ew covid even existed.
If you go back to last year, half way through last year, to channels like Re Education and Beau of the Fifth Column, they break it down in a way that laypeople can understand- using the evidence provided by expert economists. But they warned of the coming downturn, and what regular people could do to prepare for it.
So the crash was forecast well before covid. Covid incited it, perhaps a month or two before it would have happened, and it certainly made it worse than it otherwise would have been. But it would have happened anyway.
The host is savage: "Get to the point. We don't care where you're from-- we're all strangers here."
total savage introducing them as young men too 😂
"Are there any womem in the audience wanting to make questions? Would be nice.
"Oh, you gotta a man bun, thats close." Hahahahah he was having his time.
He also said "I'm going to be a Nazi" just before the first question from the audience, which was from a German kid. He's a classy fellow indeed!
@@hugorezende199 I didn't like that first part, as if women couldn't speak for themselves. Are those women being suppressed from speaking? Or is that women are expect to have a varying opinion?
@@skysheep747 I think the audience was heavily male. This debate was sponsored by Reason Magazine, a right wing free market Libertarian organization. That kind of libertarian (as opposed to a left libertarian like Noam Chomsky) is heavily white male. Not all of course and I imagine the moderator was hoping to find some exceptions.
Kings did not argue that the surfs wouldnt want to go to meetings therefore they shouldn't make decisions lol, they didn't give a single fuck about them.
Oddly, Socialists spend all day on-line complaining about how their democratically elected governments are corrupt, but think if they elect their collectivist boss, their worker co-op won't also be corrupt.
@@willnitschke It's easier to change a corrupt collectivist boss than a corrupt leader of the government.
@@bogdanzivkovic8711 The exact opposite is true, of course. Large collectives have more light shone on them. Small collectives are inevitably the most corrupt.
The only time I've remotely been a stalinist is when the moderator is speaking.
Ta rooooooooooo
Yh, that guy needs to shut the fuck up
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Hilarious...
comedy isn't my thing but 103 people agree so there's that
You beat me to it.
This moderator needs to moderate himself first and foremost.
Epstein is awful, too. Laughing in a monopolised, bought out society at person that points out that profits do not reach workers.
@@MrSp0iler wrong. The benefits of capitalism absolutely do reach workers, dumbass.
James Adams That’s why wages have risen steadily with the productivity, right? Oh whoops, looks like not. Well at least the cost of living is much lower than it was 30 years ago. Oh shit hold on, not that one either. If nothing else, education is cheaper so that everyone can pursue their dreams. so forth and so forth. where are these benefits of capitalism, James?
@@ashtheswan705 and here are the prices of goods and services largely going down over time too, dumbass.
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Now fuck off until you've educated yourself properly.
@@violarulez way to prove that you didn't read any of it.
One of the few debates I actually understood and followed through to the end. Respect for both of these individuals trying to back what they believe and not just attacking the opponent in an ego battle.
What are you friend? these are professional accomplices who promote socialism. you have been deceived.
@@viktorheylen9575 we are NOT interested in the communists, thank you! communists are evil.
@@viktorheylen9575 i actually tried following that but couldn't. Those guys throw around words that only initiated people can understand. Not meant for lay people
Respect? The socialist was creepy fanatic.
@@viktorheylen9575 Because Peterson doesn't know how to debate, wasn't prepared and Zizek is one of the leading intellectuals on communist thought. So yeah.
I'm from Jamaica and i enjoyed this debate ❤
I wonder if the moderator watched this and realized nothing he said was funny, and just made him look like a jerk.
CAPITALISM AND THE SO CALLED DEMOCRACY ARE THE BEST ASYLUM FOR THE RULERS, THE ELITES AND THE RICH TO LOOTING THE POOR IN THE NAME OF JUSTICE BUT IT IS A LURE FOR THE COMMON AND THE DENIED.
Longstreet is the real 🐐
You literally can’t have democracy and true capitalism
@@mcs106 capitalism is what made this country great. Communist socialism is what put a certain country that we all know, in the poor house. So I'll take capitalism for$ Alex.
He was right
This is a GREAT debate. We need more of this. Both bring rational, non-jingoistic, educated, thoughtful points to the table.
I agree with you. You (Americans) really need more of this.
I may not fully agree with Richard Wolff, but he is providing you with a lot of information you don't see/hear on US mainstream media, and he is providing you "a bit of therapy" against the trauma you have against the word "socialism" (caused by the cold war).
P.S.: I am Portuguese. I have several cousins/uncles in the US, who come here every few years...
@@lfmsimoes1 we don't have trauma and Wolff is dishonest. He's not giving something novel or truthful here.
@@lfmsimoes1 you don't have to agree with facts, for them to be facts. Maybe one day you'll be able to think critically. Until then, be a good little worker.
@@ExPwner @Dance Dustin Dance typical American reply - as if you're either free thinkers if you just believe the crap espoused by your politicians
Please don't let him moderate one of these again.
It didn't seem bad to me. I liked his fire.
@@darrishawks6033 he did get a little rude at the end.. but I agree a lot of people are saying that he's like the worst moderator ever and I don't think he's that bad.
Epstein himself actually asked the moderator to be biased against him.
i dont mean about any bias or anything. i just disnt like his curt manner. Epstein handles these much better while still maintaining control
I was wondering if he did better than the "Should libertarians vote for Trump" debate
very aggressive both gentle folks -- heard a lot of intriguing change of comments between both speakers. which is awesome for me that they stood on the same floor for a while
These guys are ruthless debators; nice to see a passionate, ideological spar. Lots of debates I've seen lately have been more of discussions, which can be very productive. It's just cool to see a good linguistic brawl; fighting to win the resolution.
Totally agree! And yet despite the passion, there's no needless thuggery, there's no blatant insults, there's no unbased degradations, and it stays civil. That is what I love about this
@@christophvonpezold4699 They've both mastered debate and it's thrilling to see them flex their skill. Enough time in a room with either one of them, I'd feel compelled to agree with their position. Being a staunch Communist or staunch Capitalist... those are both tricky positions to defend. I think most people are absolutely entrenched in their opinion of which is more worthy, and I'm sure they've both had years of challenging practice.
I have to note that Wolf was mostly on the defensive and he was defending a hypothetical system that has never existed and is unrealistic since there is a common flaw: Humanity. Power should never be consolidated and should always be shifting like in Capitalism. Wolf says real socialism has never been done before, well I could say the same for capitalism too. That is not a defense. The fact remains that freedom will always deliver the best results and have the best chance of success. Socialism, is artificially improved and wasteful, it is not sustainable and only thrives when it has the opportunity to syphon off a capitalist country.
@@johnramallo1279 Completely agree :)
@@christophvonpezold4699 just hardcore academic battle, this video is great.
Nothing more libertarian than an authoritarian, apathetic moderator.
Waited for him to ask if the age of consent laws would go away.
Someone needs to re-educate themselves on what libertarian means
@Orn Gorn Vague anger. I guess that's one way to go.
@Orn Gorn Facism is right wing dude, it’s clearly right-wing. Part of the problem is that “right” and “left” are tricky to talk about, and it’s true that there are dangerous forms of extremism on both sides, but fascism tilts pretty heavily to the right in my view.
If you think about fascism as a sliding scale, ordinary conservative politics is going to find itself somewhere on that scale - which is not to say that it’s fascist at all, any more than ordinary Democratic politics is communist. But just as extreme versions of communism suppress liberty on behalf of radical equality, so too do extreme versions of right-wing politics, namely fascism, suppress liberty in favor of tradition and dominance and power.
Go look up the term fascism genius. Its all about power, you stupud motherfuckers on the right are braindead assholes that call the left names all day and then whine and act like the world ended when the left does it to you, and you know thats true, case and point: how you fuckheads constantly call everyone a communist on the left, gasp the communist wants my neighbor to struggle and get healthcare, how dare he.. And also, you guys (generally speaking so dont take it personal, im just throwing insults like you just did to this Jorge guy) are such fucking hypocrites. Case and point: crickets with Trump corruption but went insane over obama wearing a fuckin tan suit and eating mustard on a hot dog. EMBARRASSING. What I do love though is how you guys think the left is the tarnished political base but damn near EVERYONE knows its the right thats the pathetic base, and it really is obvious thats true, the public and the world sees the left as hippies and the right as crazy religious zealots that want to control your life. Your side has brainless idiots like steven crowder, change my mind pussy.
@@bertohead it goes back 500 years and was re-coined as anarchism in the 19th century by Pierre Proudhon. In the early 1970's, right wing fucking shitheads re-appropriated their ultra conservative, capitalist nastiness as Libertarianism. The Libertarian Party was born and anarcho-capitalism, a Franken-politic, was created. Libertarianism has always and will forever be anti-capitalist.
Wow this moderator thinks we are here to listen to him
My husband's brother was reading a book on marxism in high school and he got suspended from school. The US the land of the free. Haha
Yeah, people can get touchy when someone is making a public show of reading a text that lead to the deaths of around 100 million people in the 20th century. Weird, huh? However, Marx is not banned in the US. You can still read his books if you wish, just as you can read Mein Kampf, if you're more of an ethno-nationalist socialist over a Marxist, for example.
did your husband brother ever read any book from George Orwell named animal farm ?
did you now a country that ever run by marxism in reality ?
@@moeinnowrouziOrwell was a socialist himself, he just didn't like the more authoritarian forms of it, like Marxism-Leninism, Stalin's regime, etc
Your comment is stupid and does not provide anything helpful whatsoever
@@Chief_Bill sheeps of animal farm don't want accept the truth of socialism , do they ? the way you talk remember me of them 🤣
What I learned. "Socialism hasn't worked because of mean capitalists."
I mean yeah… the whole cold war was capitalism subduing communism
Unbelievably true. If Socialism was a stable and flourishing economic platform it wouldn't struggle against capitalist embargo and criticism.
@@DMTKart64 laughs in North Vietnam
@@Notpresent-1 North Vietnam received constant military support from the Chinese and other SE Asian dictatorships. While Western manpower in the South was nowhere near as much. As a matter of fact, foreign support in south Vietnam have lost few battles and managed to hold off the VC. It was political instability that caused the demise of democratic Vietnam. The wars outcome had nothing to do with which economic system was better than the other.
@@DMTKart64 Valid point
This debate is being appreciated so much simply because there is less emotional rhetoric, that is people not screaming on the top of their voice and making weird faces, and instead has more factual perpespectives.
Good note. I think it’s important for all people to understand that everyday people, capitalist or socialist, want to find ways to make a better world.
I concur.
"I'm gonna be a Nazi" - The Moronic Debate Moderator
and he interrupts the guests to make silly comments... this guy shouldn't work as a debate moderator at all
It was a foolish attempt at humor, characterizing Nazis as simply rule enforcers, and then humorously taking on that affectation as a moderator. It left a bad taste in my mouth.
@@markhantla7915 Nazis generally don't like the word Nazi...
This beats watching two 17 year olds duet each other on TikTok
@@amosbackstrom5366 its not that they dont like the word. Its more that they know it'll get a guaranteed negative response which makes it harder for them to radicalize people
Some of us might be socialist, some might be capitalist. But we do agree... THE MOD SUCKS
Instead of uniting people, this thread became a battle ground....Ironic..
tantai nguyen yeah that’s guy’s kind of a douche
Maybe he wants attention and is trying to get it by injecting himself rather than doing his job.
Seems to be, that the central tenet of libertarianism ain't economic. It's whipping out their wangs whenever possible.
Gotta show mommy and daddy no one can tell them what to do anymore.
some of us might be wrong, some of us might advocate for a system that always results in failure and starvation, 100% of the times its been tried.
socialism is a fantasy. deal with it.
or stop being a pussy and kick off your revolution already.
us property and business owners will be waiting for you, fully ready to dispatch you. good luck, you self-entitled babies.
@@cwg9238 don't talk about things you don't understand, kid.