The girl going psycho in the trailer later becomes a member of max tac and you can meet her in a psycho encounter and even discuss her mantis blades after its over.
@@maciejilski7185 clothing shop encounter, not certain but dont think it falls in the category as the other psycho encounters as theres no ability to spare him nor are you notified by Regina
One of the Shadowrun core books had a great little vignette of a runner suffering from that universe's equivalent of cyberpsychosis. It wasn't a _fun_ read, but it gave a lot of insight into the mindset of someone chromed up to the brink. The poor guy was practically nose-diving into depression. It's hard to articulate, but he was seeing everything as less and less real. A slug of whiskey? Toxin filters and balance augments compensate for the alcohol. Smash the bottle onto the table? Neuro-wiring turns off the pain from the broken glass cutting his hand, and platelet factories halt the bleeding immediately. Message from his girlfriend, practically begging him to leave the house because their friends haven't seen him in weeks? Mark as read, close messenger program.
To be fair though, the essence(SR) and humanity(CP) stats are important to keep in mind on that topic. In both systems once you hit a certain point of crome you're basically driven insane because you're less human than you are machine. It effectively "kills" your character. Likely by suicide because the brain just can't handle the constant experience of gaslighting that the augments cause.
@@Ryuondo Well, yeah: Essence and Humanity are how the games' rules reflect that. In the Shadowrun version, there's also the added factor that leading up to that point of zero (or negative) Essence, NPCs start to get weirded out by heavily chromed characters, which could easily lead to a self-destructive mental feedback loop. (I haven't played tabletop Cyberpunk, so that system probably has something very similar; I'm just not familiar enough with that side to comment.) Jumping RPG systems _again,_ the old 2E Ravenloft rules had some pretty spot-on rules for a character suffering from depression. Not the mindset side of it, exactly, but rules for things like having to be all but dragged into doing anything, but they were so halfhearted about it that even in actual, adrenalin-pumping combat, they were still just so consumed by a bitter sense of "why bother" that they had noticeable penalties to their initiative, attack, and defense. I would guess most cyber-zombies were similar, so detached from a normal person's perspective that everything they did became robotic and perfunctory: they do things because some outside force is making them do it, not because they particularly _want_ to themselves. Those particularly far gone might even be a bit confused by a question of what they _wanted_ to do. ...Though unlike a Ravenloft character who'd Seen Too Much, a cyber-zombie's augments would still make even a halfhearted fight against them absolutely terrifying.
Shadowrun Dragonfall shows this instance in a side-mission, where you're asked to "recover" some Corp weapons-tech. It gives glimpses from an outsider perspective as to what happens to those who become "Cyberzombies". Spoilers past this point... So it happens to be a Troll, chromed up so much that your team think they reanimated a body with cyber and you steadily realise that he's still alive, being controlled by the equipment you were provided before the mission. If you choose to free him the first thing he does is grip his head with both arms and crushes it, ending his suffering.
@@tiarnano8878 Turns out I was off in some details - see the full vignette transcribed below - but I tracked it down. It's an in-universe fluff intro for a chapter entitled 'Cybertech' in the 4th Edition expansion book 'Augmentation'. The book isn't really a core rule book (and hasn't been current since about 2013 in any case, since Shadowrun is two years into its _6th_ Ed), but it gives tons of optional special rules and expansions for a lot of cyberware, bioware, genetech, nanoware, along with a couple other fields that don't fit cleanly into those categories, like full-body cyborg conversions, biodrones, and cybermancy. About half of the stuff in the book, maybe more, is too specialized to be very useful, or are the sort of thing more suited to being used by NPCs or for world-building, but the rest fill in a lot of gaps the core rulebook's selections of 'ware kind of leave open. Useful stuff - but the price tag for the best 'ware is in more than just nuyen... "Sometimes I wonder what I've done. She called again this morning. I didn't answer. I didn't know what to say to her. Didn't know what I _could_ say. I'm drunk again. This room stinks like booze and stale cigarette smoke and machine oil. I sit on the edge of the bed, my hands spasming through my hair. Even my hair is fake. What kind of messed-up shit is that - fake hair? My fingers twitch involuntarily, and I turn down the reaction setting with a flick of my mind. I stare unblinkingly at the bottle on the table. That was one of the things that freaked her - the fact that I never blinked. I tried to make myself do it at first, but after awhile it didn't seem worth the effort anymore. If she really loved me, she'd have lived with it. The bitch should have - Fuck. There I go again. It's happening again. It happens too often these days. I fumble for the bottle and snatch it up. Dammit, I had to do it. I had to keep the edge. You fall behind the SOTA in this biz, you die. When you look at it that way, a little loss of humanity makes a lot of sense. You want to lose some of it, or all of it? It's not like I can quit. It's not like she didn't know she wasn't going to get the picket fence and the 2.5 kids with me. Still, I thought we were in it for the long haul. She was my center - the only one I could go to when things got too bad and this fucking business started to smother me. She was the one who talked me down when my brain wouldn't stop whirling. She argued hard against me taking this next step, didn't understand why I had to. She tried, but I saw her eyes when she looked at me. People think that because I've got all this chrome in me, I don't feel. I'm not some fucking cyberzombie. I'm still human. More than human. Or maybe less. Either way, I'd give it all up to go back two days in time. Before that idiot flirted with her in the bar. Before I - My teeth grit. The red haze hits again. The bottle shatters into shards as my hand - my chrome-and-circuitry, state-of-the-art technological wonder of a hand - clenches around it. Without even thinking I adjust my pain receptors to dull the sting, watching idly as blood pools in my palm and drips onto the broken glass on the floor. Watching like it's somebody else's hand. Which, up until a couple of weeks ago, it was. How much of me used to belong to somebody else? How much of me is even still the guy she used to care about? At least the blood's still mine - for now. The comm buzzes again. It's her. I don't answer."
It’s very interesting but also very sweet and surprisingly based that Mike Pondsmith has canonically stated that one of the factors contributing to someone’s resistance to Cyberpsychosis is simply having been raised in a loving and attentive family unit.
The modern equivalent is Smart phones and social media. They give the illusion of learned skills (topical expertise that was not learned, geographical knowledge of areas you've never been to, instant communication with people hundreds of miles away, etc). Just because it's not actually INSIDE your body doesn't mean it's not reducing your humanity.
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the blue star events that popping up actually a shootout between cops & criminals. As for mercs shootout, it's mostly in Pacifica, while also gang war between scavs vs animals vs voodoo boys.
People won’t work with you because of what happened on your very first job also you’re a solo and fixers only give out one job to one person not give the same job to everyone else and they have a real rumble to see who gets it done first. Call rogue she tells you why you feel like you’re the only mercenary in the town. Pay attention and listen next time.
From what I can see in the game, Cyberpsychos all have some kind of pre-existing psychological issue just waiting to blow up. The cybernetics only make the situation worse. Imagine a guy just couldn't take it anymore and snaps. Now imagine that same guy is a cyborg. That is a Cyberpsycho.
And the fact that augments do cause derealization via not being a 1:1 replication: "gee, my new arm doesn't feel quite right, and the feeling is slowly bothering me more and more". sure, some chrome is easy to deal with and the magnitude of the "off feeling" stops increasing eventually, but some people feel the growing void and think the answer is to get more chrome installed.
The internet is totally an augmentation of our minds in that it exposes us to so much more information than we could ever physically access. I'm pretty sure internet psychosis exists and I've almost had it before. During the worst times of the lockdowns when I was the most online I've ever been, I wouldn't hang out with ANYBODY and would just dive SO deep into so many different rabbit holes, some of which definitely weren't good for me. The loss of humanity in cyberpsychosis reminds me of the way I felt my cognition being replaced by the 'online discourse' and when I would talk to people about internet topics, they would start to look at me like I was an alien. But it was the only thing going on in my head! I really lost touch with my real-world life, my health tanked, I came really close to relapse a couple times, which probably would have ended up with me losing everything. I finally started snapping out of it when work hours picked back up and social events started happening again, but looking back it was actually a pretty disturbing time.
Yes, this is what they call "terminally online." I blame parents not letting their kids play outside anymore. I noticed that parents won't let their kids talk to people in their neighborhood, but will let them talk unsupervised to strangers online. Basically people are getting it from both sides by being alienated from their community while being pushed into unhealthy and unnatural interactions through technology.
Many corporations actually require their employees to install extremely invasive cybernetic systems to make them more efficient workers. Often it's a choice between installing more cyberware or losing your job
Unfortunately folks like me who’s eyes are already messed up are wearing a form of augmentation in the form of eyeglasses. I’m not a good candidate for lasik so it’s glasses till I’m old enough to possibly need my eye lenses replaced
Cyberpsychosis is when your character has more points in cybernetics than empathy. Solo class (fighter) is the one class that benefits most from augments. That's why all players who make solo:s start as empathetic as Mother Theresa so that they can be turned into true killing machines while avoiding the psychosis.
Trickier to do that in Cyberpunk Red (the latest edition of the tabletop game, came out about a month before 2077) unless you use the Complete Package method of character creation (which is basically “everything is point-buy”) and, even then, you still suffer some permanent Humanity Loss for each piece of ‘ware regardless of how much therapy you get. That and the max for any stat now being 8, no way to raise stats outside of ‘ware, and a GM willing to slap you upside the head for being an empathetic-as-fuck professional killer.
So basically what I’m hearing is, “in a world where people are becoming increasingly more machine like with cybernetic upgrades, they still fight internally to preserve their humanity” 😂
This game has greatness! There is a BD quest Dirty Byz that really got me. It shows how twisted that world is. So dehumanization is not just cybernetic. Everything is so diluted.
Alan, please give us a "what if" Palpatine was chosen to be the guardian of Anikan while the "naboo situation" was resolved. How would things have gone if he was able to raise Vader without interference?
Eh. Sith LOVE poaching Jedi trainees or converting full fledged knights when possible. Sith don't usually excel at cultivating potential, so having the Jedi train up a future Sith means said Sith is probably stronger than if trained by a dark side master. Also, Sith like the easier self-serving methods, and turning an enemy into an ally is a twofer for you.
Or yall could say fuck it and forget the dark side and lightside and go back to what the force use to be before all you sith and jedi divided it just the force, cuz that's what it is there is no lightside or dark side it's just the force
Besides you sith claim to be stronger then jedi but your not you sith let the dark side control you, the force does not control you, you control the force
But I see the fancy eyes, ability to double jump, swords in my arms, fancy brain hacking implants, immuno boosters, and we can't forget the Mr Stud implant.
This is why I tried to augment my V as little as possible. I have a feeling the DLC is going to have a moment that messes with you the more cybernetics you have installed, like Deus Ex: HR
In the PnP Cyberpunk 2020 tabletop game, Humanity was one of the limiters to cyberwar. Like Encumbrance in a fantasy RPG, Humanity dictated how much cyberware you could have and still remain sane. A low Humanity meant that you were terrible at most forms of social interaction from questioning someone to trying to talk down a hostage-taker. This was reflected by the fact that you were more machine than Human and you just couldn't relate to emotional beings very well. It was like being a Vulcan, except that you didn't understand your OWN people either.
The Max hack thing reminds me of that one anime with the guns that transform based on the person’s mental state. Ironically, that show also takes place in a Cyberpunk setting.
Regina is interesting because she wears an eyepatch (I'm assuming to cover up a missing eye) despite easily being able to get a replacement, and despite her other eye being cybernetic. I'm guessing she refuses to get any additional implants ever since she began her cyberpsychosis mission, even at the detriment of her own vision.
Don’t know if you’re familiar with it, but there’s a drug in real life that’s an anti-psychotic called “Haloperidol”, better known by it’s brand name of Haldol. I’m guessing that’s where they got the “Baloperidol”- once again, thanks for the great video!
Haldol causes this crazy effect on people where their muscles start contorting and twisting all out of whack, it's called extrapyramidal movement. Anyway, that drug is as dangerous as it is ineffective as a treatment, it stops a person from raging for a while but it fixes nothing. The game "med" is just as useless. I take it some of the devs has had experiences with Haldol. In my own experience, haldol all it does is stop you from having full control of your body, muddles your mind, and if you want to be able to come out of that haze you got to rage even harder. It fucks the mind and the body so badly it's almost funny, but in truth it's just horrible. Fuck it can even end up affecting heart muscles as well as diaphragm if a person is sensitive enough or dosed improperly.
Something that bugs me about Regina Jones is that, yeah, she may be morally better than most of the other fixers you get to work with as V, but then, she asks you to kill an upstanding cop or force her to drop the charges. Seems very inconsistent for her character.
the world of cyberpunk is so fucked that "morally better" isn't saying much, it's reflective of the world that a good person there isn't considered a good person here.
The idea of cyberpsychosis is interest because it adds to the fear of cybernetic-enhancement in Humans. Usually in the past, people fear that cybernetic enhancement turning them into mindless machines than Human, like the Borg and the Cybermen. But “Cyberpunk” gives a different view of cybernetic inhancement.
Worth noting: Cyberpunk Red points out that someone could have Cyberpsychosis for a long time before anyone figures it out. It's basically just Psychopathy on steroids, and most psychopaths are undetectable. The main point emphasised in the book is that it's about seeing yourself and others as "things"; breakable, replaceable things. The best example of a cyberpsycho who can be reasoned with is in the side job "Violence".
Designed a Cyberpunk 2020 ttrpg scenario with a pair of "twins" given identical full-body conversion upgrades, but #1 had minimum Empathy cost via maximized med tech, anesthetic, and advanced therapy [final EMP score +3], while #2 had MAX Empathy cost via the conversion being done with NO anesthetic, and body mirrors/monitors forcing the subject to watch/experience the entire process in real time. [Final EMP score -56]. Hilarity ensues.
In the original RPG Cyberpunk 2020 there was an adventure where there is a surge in Cyberpsychosis among the Booster gangs and at the same time a anti cyborg religious group (called the Inquisitors) was protesting the widespread use of cybernetics. Yep [obvious much], in the end it turns out the Inquisitors were supplying sabotaged cyberwear (several cheap brands popular with gangs) that caused the user to fall into Cyberpsychosis fast due to hidden control chips. They were selling them to a very nasty Booster gang that knew the score, but would still sell them on the underground market to other gangs … cause they were very nasty. If you got evidence of this those two very heavily armed groups (one without any cyberwear, one with lots) would be mad at you for a little while, but then _their_ troubles would really multiply as *everyone else* was mad at them. And you would be rewarded from, and _owed favours by,_ the Max Tac squad, the police in general, the ripper doc community and the other booster gangs - especially the really violent heavily cybered ones. All in all, useful groups to be in the good graces of. And did I mention the cash?
Video Idea: Cyberpunk 2077 are comparing Science Fiction films & tv series (like Blade Runner, RoboCop, Ghost In The Shell, The Matrix, Altered Carbon, Oblivion and Snow Crash). How much Cyberpunk 2077 took inspired from?
People who live older than 100 years show alternative to cybernetics. Emotion and learning. A person with a PhD in math, chemistry, and physics as well as an engineering degree has a massive advantage in developing alternatives to cybernetics. Emotion allows a person who is calm to store spirit aka electrical field that technology depletes. Emotional feedback to body makes a person able match cybernetics.
how to avoid Cyberspychosis: *don't* become a cyborg. if you choose to, or must become a cyborg, to life threatening injuries, do so in a place that will get it right the first time. such places include your local Skynet TS-300 recruitment center, (TS-300s are Human/Terminator hybrids) Men of Iron STC factory, or Ferrus Manus' Iron Hands. "They are not my hands. This fact is forgotten by my brothers -- inexplicably, it has always seemed to me. The hands are strong, to be sure, and have created great things for us all, but they are not mine. And that counts for something. They forget that the silver on my arms comes from a beast that I vanquished. It is the mark of a great evil that I ended, and yet it persists within me...I would struggle to remove it now...I will not remove the silver from my flesh because I have learned to depend on it. The fault is with my mind. I rely on the augmentation given to me by my metal gauntlets, so much so that the flesh beneath them is now little more than a distant memory...A day will come when I will strip it from me, lest I lose the power to master myself forever. Already my Legion's warriors replace their shield hands with metal in my honour, and so they too are learning to doubt the natural strength of their bodies. They must be weaned off this practice before it becomes a mania for them. Hatred of what is natural, of what is human, is the first and greatest of the corruptions. So I record it here: when the time comes, I will strip my hands of their unnatural silver. I will instruct my Legion to recant their distrust of the flesh. I will turn them away from the gifts of the machine and bid them relearn the mysteries of flesh, bone and blood. When my father's Crusade is over, this shall be my sacred task. When the fighting is done, I shall cure my Legion and myself. For if fighting is all there is, if we may never pause to reflect on what such devotion to strength is doing to us, then our compulsion will only grow." - Ferrus Manus, Primarch of the Tenth Space Marine Legion
“Regina Jones keep a close EYE on the phenomenon of Cyberpsychosis.” - Nice pun there, mate. I guess she’s keeping one eye open for any news on the phenomenon. 😉
CP 2077, through various sources, implies that cybernetics aren't quite as compatible with the nervous system as natural flesh, and puts a bit of extra stress on it. Especially if the cyberwear is of low quality and/or isn't installed cleanly. That generally causes any existing mental issues to become even worse.
So he's super accurate on symptoms of the cyberpsychosis; put simply its hysteria (a violent mental break) induced by cybernetic integration...but why? Personally i believe an anime called "no gun life" has it best for explained. In the show they explain it as artificial stress overloading the brain. The reason is because new cybernetics are artificial limbs replacing old one; in which the brain is forced to do something unnatural thus needing more focus and ultimately building stress. That stress with slowly build until ultimately that individual snaps. Cyberpunk shows it well as more chromed chooms become extremely agitated and violent overtime with more additions. It can also be induced by a sudden overload of drastic changes such as david mecha instillation. There's also numerous ways of reducing this stress with therapy being a healthy primary. Other options are less reliable like: Internal regulators (very expensive), murder and violence (releasing steam too relax), or drugs & sex (forcing chemical relaxation like maelstrom). Ultimately it's based entirely on how you handle mental stress which is why we see mercs so chromed up.
Or V can cause enemies to go cyberpsycho thanks to a cyber hack. I use that to cause enemies to take out their buddies. Saves me a lot of ammo and time.
Wouldn’t a smarter way be to use eco skeletons or just addons that’s not linked to your brain be a better idea? Get lenses who’s got crosshairs, link them to the gun. I’m sure that would be possible.
7:37 what do . hey u are the only other person who ive heard get it or know . the therapists i talk to don't under stand . there's no study yet? . there has all ready been 3 fox hole (indi game) related deaths do to sleep deprivation . and gog knows in how manny other games and communitys like eve and rp comunitys
V. V is the ultimate cyberpsycho. Prove me wrong. Stop writing that reply, go play the game, and actually read the shards on a playthrough. If you make it 1 hour without murdering and doubletapping various members of Militech, 6th street, and Tygers, you may comment proving me wrong. I always run non lethal, but a 500k doubletap overkill is necessary sometimes.
Cyberpunk has Cyberpsychosis due to many having an obsession with cybernetic implants. We have Kardashianpsychosis due to many having an obsession with silicone implants.
Cyberpyschosis is player stop, that's what it is. It is one of he better ones but it's still a player stop. Knew it when I first read it in the rules. I swear, GMs and designers all always trying to keep players in check. *sigh* Poor players.
Modern day cyberpsychosis is how Big Tech shuts down any dissenting opinions on social media. Sure, today it might be someone you disagree with but tomorrow it might be you.
As much as I want to agree with you, humans can be vile beings capable of doing so much harm with dangerous and deplorable ideas. True free speech without consequences can be dangerous, as it can incite men to kill other races they deem inferior, hijack planes and crash it to a building full of people, and incite people to storm to a government building to attempt to overturn an election.
@@warpartyattheoutpost4987 Not really. Inciting violence doesn't come from a lot of sources. Lawfully it is strict. Private companies can still do it. And hey they are private companies, why should the government hold them to the same standard as themselves?
easy answer cybernetics cost humanity in the rulebook so you can only go so far with implants before losing all your humanity score and becoming a non-playable cyber psycho. Leaving that mechanic in the video game wouldn't make it much fun as you'd be limited to which gadgets your character could play with saved you 10 minutes move along ;-)
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Morgan a friend Johnny was a full organic merc, Adam Smasher fought him right after the scene where he killed Silverhand. People of cp 2020 saw morgan a Smasher rivalry as the meat vs metal. Since he survived arasaka nuclear raid that prompted more use of cybernetics.
The girl going psycho in the trailer later becomes a member of max tac and you can meet her in a psycho encounter and even discuss her mantis blades after its over.
Yeah, that was a nice little callback. It's details like that that make me thing CP2077 is a great game despite the glitches.
It. Was going psycho.
There wasn’t a limb on its body that was human anymore.
Just a armoured killing machine.
And she's still a nutjob
Did all the cyberpsychos. Never met her.
@@maciejilski7185 clothing shop encounter, not certain but dont think it falls in the category as the other psycho encounters as theres no ability to spare him nor are you notified by Regina
One of the Shadowrun core books had a great little vignette of a runner suffering from that universe's equivalent of cyberpsychosis. It wasn't a _fun_ read, but it gave a lot of insight into the mindset of someone chromed up to the brink.
The poor guy was practically nose-diving into depression. It's hard to articulate, but he was seeing everything as less and less real. A slug of whiskey? Toxin filters and balance augments compensate for the alcohol. Smash the bottle onto the table? Neuro-wiring turns off the pain from the broken glass cutting his hand, and platelet factories halt the bleeding immediately.
Message from his girlfriend, practically begging him to leave the house because their friends haven't seen him in weeks?
Mark as read, close messenger program.
To be fair though, the essence(SR) and humanity(CP) stats are important to keep in mind on that topic. In both systems once you hit a certain point of crome you're basically driven insane because you're less human than you are machine. It effectively "kills" your character. Likely by suicide because the brain just can't handle the constant experience of gaslighting that the augments cause.
@@Ryuondo Well, yeah: Essence and Humanity are how the games' rules reflect that. In the Shadowrun version, there's also the added factor that leading up to that point of zero (or negative) Essence, NPCs start to get weirded out by heavily chromed characters, which could easily lead to a self-destructive mental feedback loop. (I haven't played tabletop Cyberpunk, so that system probably has something very similar; I'm just not familiar enough with that side to comment.)
Jumping RPG systems _again,_ the old 2E Ravenloft rules had some pretty spot-on rules for a character suffering from depression. Not the mindset side of it, exactly, but rules for things like having to be all but dragged into doing anything, but they were so halfhearted about it that even in actual, adrenalin-pumping combat, they were still just so consumed by a bitter sense of "why bother" that they had noticeable penalties to their initiative, attack, and defense.
I would guess most cyber-zombies were similar, so detached from a normal person's perspective that everything they did became robotic and perfunctory: they do things because some outside force is making them do it, not because they particularly _want_ to themselves. Those particularly far gone might even be a bit confused by a question of what they _wanted_ to do. ...Though unlike a Ravenloft character who'd Seen Too Much, a cyber-zombie's augments would still make even a halfhearted fight against them absolutely terrifying.
Shadowrun Dragonfall shows this instance in a side-mission, where you're asked to "recover" some Corp weapons-tech. It gives glimpses from an outsider perspective as to what happens to those who become "Cyberzombies". Spoilers past this point...
So it happens to be a Troll, chromed up so much that your team think they reanimated a body with cyber and you steadily realise that he's still alive, being controlled by the equipment you were provided before the mission. If you choose to free him the first thing he does is grip his head with both arms and crushes it, ending his suffering.
Do you know what Core book it is in?
@@tiarnano8878 Turns out I was off in some details - see the full vignette transcribed below - but I tracked it down. It's an in-universe fluff intro for a chapter entitled 'Cybertech' in the 4th Edition expansion book 'Augmentation'. The book isn't really a core rule book (and hasn't been current since about 2013 in any case, since Shadowrun is two years into its _6th_ Ed), but it gives tons of optional special rules and expansions for a lot of cyberware, bioware, genetech, nanoware, along with a couple other fields that don't fit cleanly into those categories, like full-body cyborg conversions, biodrones, and cybermancy. About half of the stuff in the book, maybe more, is too specialized to be very useful, or are the sort of thing more suited to being used by NPCs or for world-building, but the rest fill in a lot of gaps the core rulebook's selections of 'ware kind of leave open.
Useful stuff - but the price tag for the best 'ware is in more than just nuyen...
"Sometimes I wonder what I've done.
She called again this morning. I didn't answer. I didn't know what to say to her. Didn't know what I _could_ say.
I'm drunk again. This room stinks like booze and stale cigarette smoke and machine oil. I sit on the edge of the bed, my hands spasming through my hair. Even my hair is fake. What kind of messed-up shit is that - fake hair? My fingers twitch involuntarily, and I turn down the reaction setting with a flick of my mind. I stare unblinkingly at the bottle on the table. That was one of the things that freaked her - the fact that I never blinked. I tried to make myself do it at first, but after awhile it didn't seem worth the effort anymore. If she really loved me, she'd have lived with it. The bitch should have -
Fuck.
There I go again.
It's happening again. It happens too often these days.
I fumble for the bottle and snatch it up. Dammit, I had to do it. I had to keep the edge. You fall behind the SOTA in this biz, you die. When you look at it that way, a little loss of humanity makes a lot of sense. You want to lose some of it, or all of it? It's not like I can quit. It's not like she didn't know she wasn't going to get the picket fence and the 2.5 kids with me.
Still, I thought we were in it for the long haul. She was my center - the only one I could go to when things got too bad and this fucking business started to smother me. She was the one who talked me down when my brain wouldn't stop whirling. She argued hard against me taking this next step, didn't understand why I had to. She tried, but I saw her eyes when she looked at me. People think that because I've got all this chrome in me, I don't feel. I'm not some fucking cyberzombie. I'm still human.
More than human. Or maybe less.
Either way, I'd give it all up to go back two days in time. Before that idiot flirted with her in the bar. Before I -
My teeth grit. The red haze hits again. The bottle shatters into shards as my hand - my chrome-and-circuitry, state-of-the-art technological wonder of a hand - clenches around it. Without even thinking I adjust my pain receptors to dull the sting, watching idly as blood pools in my palm and drips onto the broken glass on the floor. Watching like it's somebody else's hand.
Which, up until a couple of weeks ago, it was. How much of me used to belong to somebody else? How much of me is even still the guy she used to care about? At least the blood's still mine - for now.
The comm buzzes again. It's her.
I don't answer."
It’s very interesting but also very sweet and surprisingly based that Mike Pondsmith has canonically stated that one of the factors contributing to someone’s resistance to Cyberpsychosis is simply having been raised in a loving and attentive family unit.
The modern equivalent is Smart phones and social media. They give the illusion of learned skills (topical expertise that was not learned, geographical knowledge of areas you've never been to, instant communication with people hundreds of miles away, etc).
Just because it's not actually INSIDE your body doesn't mean it's not reducing your humanity.
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I’m sad we don’t see other NCPD subcons or mercs interfering in random shootouts . Feels like your the ONLY mercenary in Night City.
When Multiplayer comes out we will
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the blue star events that popping up actually a shootout between cops & criminals. As for mercs shootout, it's mostly in Pacifica, while also gang war between scavs vs animals vs voodoo boys.
People won’t work with you because of what happened on your very first job also you’re a solo and fixers only give out one job to one person not give the same job to everyone else and they have a real rumble to see who gets it done first. Call rogue she tells you why you feel like you’re the only mercenary in the town. Pay attention and listen next time.
From what I can see in the game, Cyberpsychos all have some kind of pre-existing psychological issue just waiting to blow up. The cybernetics only make the situation worse. Imagine a guy just couldn't take it anymore and snaps. Now imagine that same guy is a cyborg.
That is a Cyberpsycho.
And the fact that augments do cause derealization via not being a 1:1 replication: "gee, my new arm doesn't feel quite right, and the feeling is slowly bothering me more and more". sure, some chrome is easy to deal with and the magnitude of the "off feeling" stops increasing eventually, but some people feel the growing void and think the answer is to get more chrome installed.
I'm really loving these cyberpunk lore videos! There's so much lore in cyberpunk I dont think you'll run out videos for a while.
Step 1: Faith in the Omnissiah
Step 2: Contact your "local" Tech-Priest, if necessary.
Blood for the blood God
Step 3: Consider the necessity of installing a neural vault to keep your emotions in check.
Step 4: admit failure and become a servitor. 😢
Step 5: serve the Omnissiah, even in death
This channel is indeed HUMANITY FIRST!
Man, watching your videos is refreshing and inspiring at these troubled times.
The internet is totally an augmentation of our minds in that it exposes us to so much more information than we could ever physically access. I'm pretty sure internet psychosis exists and I've almost had it before.
During the worst times of the lockdowns when I was the most online I've ever been, I wouldn't hang out with ANYBODY and would just dive SO deep into so many different rabbit holes, some of which definitely weren't good for me. The loss of humanity in cyberpsychosis reminds me of the way I felt my cognition being replaced by the 'online discourse' and when I would talk to people about internet topics, they would start to look at me like I was an alien. But it was the only thing going on in my head!
I really lost touch with my real-world life, my health tanked, I came really close to relapse a couple times, which probably would have ended up with me losing everything. I finally started snapping out of it when work hours picked back up and social events started happening again, but looking back it was actually a pretty disturbing time.
Yes, this is what they call "terminally online." I blame parents not letting their kids play outside anymore. I noticed that parents won't let their kids talk to people in their neighborhood, but will let them talk unsupervised to strangers online. Basically people are getting it from both sides by being alienated from their community while being pushed into unhealthy and unnatural interactions through technology.
Last time I was this early, Picard was still in borg form
Should have stayed there 😬
Best Picard ever. Only one disantvatage...simpink to Borg queen. :-D
Well, you avoid it by not having implants in the first place, duuuh ! No but really, cool video, and love the editing :)
Yep. High price augmentations. Avoid the black market ripperdocs
Many corporations actually require their employees to install extremely invasive cybernetic systems to make them more efficient workers. Often it's a choice between installing more cyberware or losing your job
Unfortunately folks like me who’s eyes are already messed up are wearing a form of augmentation in the form of eyeglasses. I’m not a good candidate for lasik so it’s glasses till I’m old enough to possibly need my eye lenses replaced
@Andrew Natanael Herijanto Guys, it was a joke !!But yes completely agree with you !
@@elperrodelautumo7511 preach
Cyberpsychosis is when your character has more points in cybernetics than empathy. Solo class (fighter) is the one class that benefits most from augments. That's why all players who make solo:s start as empathetic as Mother Theresa so that they can be turned into true killing machines while avoiding the psychosis.
Trickier to do that in Cyberpunk Red (the latest edition of the tabletop game, came out about a month before 2077) unless you use the Complete Package method of character creation (which is basically “everything is point-buy”) and, even then, you still suffer some permanent Humanity Loss for each piece of ‘ware regardless of how much therapy you get. That and the max for any stat now being 8, no way to raise stats outside of ‘ware, and a GM willing to slap you upside the head for being an empathetic-as-fuck professional killer.
So basically what I’m hearing is, “in a world where people are becoming increasingly more machine like with cybernetic upgrades, they still fight internally to preserve their humanity” 😂
This game has greatness! There is a BD quest Dirty Byz that really got me. It shows how twisted that world is. So dehumanization is not just cybernetic. Everything is so diluted.
Alan, please give us a "what if" Palpatine was chosen to be the guardian of Anikan while the "naboo situation" was resolved. How would things have gone if he was able to raise Vader without interference?
Eh. Sith LOVE poaching Jedi trainees or converting full fledged knights when possible. Sith don't usually excel at cultivating potential, so having the Jedi train up a future Sith means said Sith is probably stronger than if trained by a dark side master. Also, Sith like the easier self-serving methods, and turning an enemy into an ally is a twofer for you.
I agree. Let the Jedi do the hard work of training and just brainwash him after that. Sometimes a lazy man's strategy will work ;)
@@lord2.0works And given how bad Sith can be at training their apprentices from scratch, it goes beyond just greed, lazyness, or spite.
Or yall could say fuck it and forget the dark side and lightside and go back to what the force use to be before all you sith and jedi divided it just the force, cuz that's what it is there is no lightside or dark side it's just the force
Besides you sith claim to be stronger then jedi but your not you sith let the dark side control you, the force does not control you, you control the force
This took a turn I didn't expect it to at the start, but thanks for the mental health message.
How to avoid cyber psychosis: don’t over augment your natural body with more machines than organic.
But I see the fancy eyes, ability to double jump, swords in my arms, fancy brain hacking implants, immuno boosters, and we can't forget the Mr Stud implant.
@@braith117 id probably just get new eyes. illl be happy lol
Ok. I'm ignorant about this cyberpunk thing. Clicked thru unaware of CP theme. I also have most if not all of the symptoms of cyberpsychosis....😳🖖✌
This is why I tried to augment my V as little as possible. I have a feeling the DLC is going to have a moment that messes with you the more cybernetics you have installed, like Deus Ex: HR
In the PnP Cyberpunk 2020 tabletop game, Humanity was one of the limiters to cyberwar. Like Encumbrance in a fantasy RPG, Humanity dictated how much cyberware you could have and still remain sane. A low Humanity meant that you were terrible at most forms of social interaction from questioning someone to trying to talk down a hostage-taker. This was reflected by the fact that you were more machine than Human and you just couldn't relate to emotional beings very well. It was like being a Vulcan, except that you didn't understand your OWN people either.
Simple. *EMBRACE THE MADNESS!* and ride to Valhalla shiny and chrome while taking ARASAKA down with you.
The Max hack thing reminds me of that one anime with the guns that transform based on the person’s mental state. Ironically, that show also takes place in a Cyberpunk setting.
Regina is interesting because she wears an eyepatch (I'm assuming to cover up a missing eye) despite easily being able to get a replacement, and despite her other eye being cybernetic. I'm guessing she refuses to get any additional implants ever since she began her cyberpsychosis mission, even at the detriment of her own vision.
Your first interaction with MaxTac is watching them dismantle a group of what seems like low level scavs. They're brutally efficient.
Royce has had a significant part of his cerebral cortex removed. I can see why he might tend towards cyberpsychosis.
this video needs a revisit with edgerunners in mind
Really enjoyed this thanks.
Don’t know if you’re familiar with it, but there’s a drug in real life that’s an anti-psychotic called “Haloperidol”, better known by it’s brand name of Haldol. I’m guessing that’s where they got the “Baloperidol”- once again, thanks for the great video!
Haldol causes this crazy effect on people where their muscles start contorting and twisting all out of whack, it's called extrapyramidal movement. Anyway, that drug is as dangerous as it is ineffective as a treatment, it stops a person from raging for a while but it fixes nothing. The game "med" is just as useless. I take it some of the devs has had experiences with Haldol.
In my own experience, haldol all it does is stop you from having full control of your body, muddles your mind, and if you want to be able to come out of that haze you got to rage even harder. It fucks the mind and the body so badly it's almost funny, but in truth it's just horrible. Fuck it can even end up affecting heart muscles as well as diaphragm if a person is sensitive enough or dosed improperly.
I fuckin hate Haldol… shit makes me have uncontrollable body movements and facial movements
@@stratometal I just saw your comment but yea fuck that shit it sucks
2:30 I need some of that armor
It definitely exists in the game.
My question is how has Adam Smasher not fallen to cyber-psychosis or has he?
He has... guy is fucking nuts
Something that bugs me about Regina Jones is that, yeah, she may be morally better than most of the other fixers you get to work with as V, but then, she asks you to kill an upstanding cop or force her to drop the charges. Seems very inconsistent for her character.
the world of cyberpunk is so fucked that "morally better" isn't saying much, it's reflective of the world that a good person there isn't considered a good person here.
I don't know why I care but it's funny that this exists
The idea of cyberpsychosis is interest because it adds to the fear of cybernetic-enhancement in Humans.
Usually in the past, people fear that cybernetic enhancement turning them into mindless machines than Human, like the Borg and the Cybermen. But “Cyberpunk” gives a different view of cybernetic inhancement.
Worth noting: Cyberpunk Red points out that someone could have Cyberpsychosis for a long time before anyone figures it out. It's basically just Psychopathy on steroids, and most psychopaths are undetectable. The main point emphasised in the book is that it's about seeing yourself and others as "things"; breakable, replaceable things.
The best example of a cyberpsycho who can be reasoned with is in the side job "Violence".
Designed a Cyberpunk 2020 ttrpg scenario with a pair of "twins" given identical full-body conversion upgrades, but #1 had minimum Empathy cost via maximized med tech, anesthetic, and advanced therapy [final EMP score +3], while #2 had MAX Empathy cost via the conversion being done with NO anesthetic, and body mirrors/monitors forcing the subject to watch/experience the entire process in real time. [Final EMP score -56].
Hilarity ensues.
Cyberpsychosis doesn’t even sound _that_ bad...
Humanity is overrated, smh
In the original RPG Cyberpunk 2020 there was an adventure where there is a surge in Cyberpsychosis among the Booster gangs and at the same time a anti cyborg religious group (called the Inquisitors) was protesting the widespread use of cybernetics.
Yep [obvious much], in the end it turns out the Inquisitors were supplying sabotaged cyberwear (several cheap brands popular with gangs) that caused the user to fall into Cyberpsychosis fast due to hidden control chips.
They were selling them to a very nasty Booster gang that knew the score, but would still sell them on the underground market to other gangs … cause they were very nasty.
If you got evidence of this those two very heavily armed groups (one without any cyberwear, one with lots) would be mad at you for a little while, but then _their_ troubles would really multiply as *everyone else* was mad at them.
And you would be rewarded from, and _owed favours by,_ the Max Tac squad, the police in general, the ripper doc community and the other booster gangs - especially the really violent heavily cybered ones.
All in all, useful groups to be in the good graces of.
And did I mention the cash?
This is fascinating.
Good to know
You don't see this happening to the Tech Priests and the Magos. Devote yourself to the machine spirit
The Omnissiah protects
Video Idea: Cyberpunk 2077 are comparing Science Fiction films & tv series (like Blade Runner, RoboCop, Ghost In The Shell, The Matrix, Altered Carbon, Oblivion and Snow Crash). How much Cyberpunk 2077 took inspired from?
People who live older than 100 years show alternative to cybernetics.
Emotion and learning. A person with a PhD in math, chemistry, and physics as well as an engineering degree has a massive advantage in developing alternatives to cybernetics.
Emotion allows a person who is calm to store spirit aka electrical field that technology depletes. Emotional feedback to body makes a person able match cybernetics.
Thank you
how to avoid Cyberspychosis: *don't* become a cyborg.
if you choose to, or must become a cyborg, to life threatening injuries, do so in a place that will get it right the first time. such places include your local Skynet TS-300 recruitment center, (TS-300s are Human/Terminator hybrids) Men of Iron STC factory, or Ferrus Manus' Iron Hands.
"They are not my hands. This fact is forgotten by my brothers -- inexplicably, it has always seemed to me. The hands are strong, to be sure, and have created great things for us all, but they are not mine. And that counts for something. They forget that the silver on my arms comes from a beast that I vanquished. It is the mark of a great evil that I ended, and yet it persists within me...I would struggle to remove it now...I will not remove the silver from my flesh because I have learned to depend on it. The fault is with my mind. I rely on the augmentation given to me by my metal gauntlets, so much so that the flesh beneath them is now little more than a distant memory...A day will come when I will strip it from me, lest I lose the power to master myself forever. Already my Legion's warriors replace their shield hands with metal in my honour, and so they too are learning to doubt the natural strength of their bodies. They must be weaned off this practice before it becomes a mania for them. Hatred of what is natural, of what is human, is the first and greatest of the corruptions. So I record it here: when the time comes, I will strip my hands of their unnatural silver. I will instruct my Legion to recant their distrust of the flesh. I will turn them away from the gifts of the machine and bid them relearn the mysteries of flesh, bone and blood. When my father's Crusade is over, this shall be my sacred task. When the fighting is done, I shall cure my Legion and myself. For if fighting is all there is, if we may never pause to reflect on what such devotion to strength is doing to us, then our compulsion will only grow." - Ferrus Manus, Primarch of the Tenth Space Marine Legion
I think regina was once a cyberpsycho or got attacked by an cyberpsycho who is a loved one
“Regina Jones keep a close EYE on the phenomenon of Cyberpsychosis.” - Nice pun there, mate. I guess she’s keeping one eye open for any news on the phenomenon. 😉
Can you do a video about weather or not Magnus did nothing wrong?
CP 2077, through various sources, implies that cybernetics aren't quite as compatible with the nervous system as natural flesh, and puts a bit of extra stress on it. Especially if the cyberwear is of low quality and/or isn't installed cleanly. That generally causes any existing mental issues to become even worse.
thanks. big help after watching the anime
I used the Yinlong + Pax mod. Emp chance/non-lethal = Great Tazer 🤙🏽
Saved every cyber patient 17/17
In the new 2.0 update your V can become a cyberpsycho temporarily all you need to do is max out tech ability and you get a perk called edgerunnner
Yeah Regina seems to be pretty nice except for that one job where she hires you to kill her annoying neighbor.
So he's super accurate on symptoms of the cyberpsychosis; put simply its hysteria (a violent mental break) induced by cybernetic integration...but why?
Personally i believe an anime called "no gun life" has it best for explained. In the show they explain it as artificial stress overloading the brain. The reason is because new cybernetics are artificial limbs replacing old one; in which the brain is forced to do something unnatural thus needing more focus and ultimately building stress. That stress with slowly build until ultimately that individual snaps.
Cyberpunk shows it well as more chromed chooms become extremely agitated and violent overtime with more additions. It can also be induced by a sudden overload of drastic changes such as david mecha instillation.
There's also numerous ways of reducing this stress with therapy being a healthy primary. Other options are less reliable like: Internal regulators (very expensive), murder and violence (releasing steam too relax), or drugs & sex (forcing chemical relaxation like maelstrom). Ultimately it's based entirely on how you handle mental stress which is why we see mercs so chromed up.
I dunno but it’s got a good thumbnail
Or V can cause enemies to go cyberpsycho thanks to a cyber hack.
I use that to cause enemies to take out their buddies.
Saves me a lot of ammo and time.
Wouldn’t a smarter way be to use eco skeletons or just addons that’s not linked to your brain be a better idea? Get lenses who’s got crosshairs, link them to the gun. I’m sure that would be possible.
To me it seems wee are on our way there now!
Don't stop these kind of videos
I'm actually amazed how some guys wearing red robes worshipping machines in 40k managed to their sh*t together despite being augmented to the max.
Faith in the omnissiah
They’re transhumanists, not everyone in cyberpunk is
Everyone in 40k is insane. Except da orkz, of course.
They just realized the weakness of flesh 🙏⚙️
7:37 what do . hey u are the only other person who ive heard get it or know . the therapists i talk to don't under stand . there's no study yet? . there has all ready been 3 fox hole (indi game) related deaths do to sleep deprivation . and gog knows in how manny other games and communitys like eve and rp comunitys
The system restart card is actually kind of op. It knocks out a cyberphyco within 10 seconds
I love the outfit line
V. V is the ultimate cyberpsycho. Prove me wrong. Stop writing that reply, go play the game, and actually read the shards on a playthrough. If you make it 1 hour without murdering and doubletapping various members of Militech, 6th street, and Tygers, you may comment proving me wrong. I always run non lethal, but a 500k doubletap overkill is necessary sometimes.
Cyberpunk has Cyberpsychosis due to many having an obsession with cybernetic implants.
We have Kardashianpsychosis due to many having an obsession with silicone implants.
Also Allen I’m glad that you enjoy Cyberpunk. Humanity first; Dolphins Never. Dolphins rape humanity and would rape the earth if they takeover.
What?
On tabletop, Cyberpsychosis is a system keep player for overuse cyberware similar to Deus ex mankind divided overclock
Shoot, I want a game about the Maxhack now.
What if the glitches you experience in Cyberpunk 2077 is actually Cyberpsychosis?
Lol 😂😆😂 don't over do the cyberware.
Cyberpyschosis is player stop, that's what it is. It is one of he better ones but it's still a player stop. Knew it when I first read it in the rules. I swear, GMs and designers all always trying to keep players in check. *sigh* Poor players.
They clearly make it a point to tell you Its impossible to get cyberphy in the game.
I actually think deus ex did the augment rejection concept better. I love cp2077 but in some ways human revolution was a superior cyberpunk story
Modern day cyberpsychosis is how Big Tech shuts down any dissenting opinions on social media. Sure, today it might be someone you disagree with but tomorrow it might be you.
As much as I want to agree with you, humans can be vile beings capable of doing so much harm with dangerous and deplorable ideas. True free speech without consequences can be dangerous, as it can incite men to kill other races they deem inferior, hijack planes and crash it to a building full of people, and incite people to storm to a government building to attempt to overturn an election.
@@triadwarfare, by that reasoning your name should be censored for inciting gang violence.
Enjoy your brave new world.
@@warpartyattheoutpost4987 Not really. Inciting violence doesn't come from a lot of sources. Lawfully it is strict. Private companies can still do it. And hey they are private companies, why should the government hold them to the same standard as themselves?
So basically, working for Regina gives you the chance to be Batman Beyond. Noted...
Sounds like what’s been happening to people since first smart phones came out..... strange no???
The flesh is weak.
easy answer cybernetics cost humanity in the rulebook so you can only go so far with implants before losing all your humanity score and becoming a non-playable cyber psycho. Leaving that mechanic in the video game wouldn't make it much fun as you'd be limited to which gadgets your character could play with saved you 10 minutes move along ;-)
Fun fact the woman in that trailer you can actually meet in the game.
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Pull the Lever forward to engage the
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Toll the Great Bell Twice!
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Toll the Great Bell Thrice!
Sing Praise to the
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What's the lore with cyberpsychosis being a quick hack? I think someone is deliberately making cyber psychos by no fault of the individual themselves.
Monki flip
How to avoid cyberpsychosis:
Don't get chromed or don't get hacked
how can you avoid cyberpsychosis ? by living in reality
Bethesda really screwed the pooch with Cyber Punk 2077
You can avoid it by taking The Omnissiah into your heart.
Movie faction versus✊
so in cyberpunk, all of humanity in one way shape or form has cybernetics installed? not even a small minority of just organic humans?
There are some (Buddhist?) monks in-game that eschew cybernetics.
Morgan a friend Johnny was a full organic merc, Adam Smasher fought him right after the scene where he killed Silverhand. People of cp 2020 saw morgan a Smasher rivalry as the meat vs metal. Since he survived arasaka nuclear raid that prompted more use of cybernetics.
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*D E L E T E*
This is heresy.. purge in holy fire
they clearly refused the Sacred rights of cybernetic integration
This game sounds incredible. Too bad I can't play it. Since it's all first person, it would give me motion sickness within a half hour.
We are the borg...
fairly sure i have cyberpsychosis. 😜
Reject Modernity.
Embrace Cyber-Monke.
Dude i thought it was a real life problem XDXD
Rampancy, not even once.
yoo