Doctor Who S7E5 'The Angels Take Manhattan' REACTION
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
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I love how Deepa unknowingly predicted the ending right at the very start ("I'd just run right off the fucking building")
I’d forgotten how good Alex Kingston is in this episode. Such a fantastic actor.
This is one of my least favourite episodes, mainly for the fact that it just doesn't make sense. I wish I could bring myself to get emotional but when the exit shouldn't even be an exit (the Doctor can easily go and get them), I just can't. However, that rooftop scene is beautiful.
I think the Doctor can’t save Amy and Rory because they’d damaged time so much by creating the paradox. If he ever tries to get to them then he could rip time apart. Additionally, because he sees the gravestone and reads the afterword, Amy and Rory’s lives become a fixed timeline and he knows that they never see him again. I found a quote from Moffat that pretty succinctly explains it.
‘In normal circumstances he might have gone back and said, ‘look we’ll just put a headstone up and we’ll just write the book’. But there is so much scar tissue, and the number of paradoxes that have already been inflicted on that nexus of timelines, that it will rip apart if you try to do one more thing. He has to leave it alone. Normally he could perform some surgery, this time too much surgery has already been performed.’
@@nocturne8333 "they’d damaged time so much by creating the paradox. If he ever tries to get to them then he could rip time apart."
Why though? It wouldn't be a paradox. No more than the Doctor and Martha being rescued by Sally and Larry/themselves in 'Blink'. The Weeping Angels send people back in time. There's nothing stopping someone from going back in time and collecting said person.
Also, the whole idea of "one more paradox" as if there's a threshold doesn't really make sense as any number of paradoxes are as bad as just one, but this is science fantasy so I'll let that go.
"Additionally, because he sees the gravestone and reads the afterword, Amy and Rory’s lives become a fixed timeline"
Again, why though? There's no logic to that. All that's fixed is that there is a gravestone with those names. There is nothing stopping the Doctor from just faking a gravestone. And the same applies to the afterword (not that this situation should even have developed to the point of reading the afterword as the solution of going and getting Amy and Rory is blatantly obvious). Moffat is acknowledging the solution in that quote but seems to think that it would be creating another paradox when that just isn't the case. It would be saving them in a way that avoids a paradox. The only reason a paradox would occur is if you saved them and didn't replace the gravestone (/afterword).
I really like that the end is like Amy's choice where she chooses Rory over the doctor.
Did we… did we find a death that Deepa didn’t laugh at?! 🤣 you two are the best
when you think that the Weeping Angel’s were really Amy’s first real personal threat to her. and they are the villains that take them out. it breaks my heart
Luke's knowing looks to the cam are everything ! Brake that 4th or is it the 5th wall lol
A brutal episode!
I'll always miss these three (plus River).
I literally just cry every time I watch this episode I swear it’s so well written.
It is a bit of a meta thing too, much like how the weeping angels don't move when the viewer is looking at them but none of the characters are. The audience knew beforehand that this was Amy and Rory's last episode, and we are shown Rory's gravestone right as Amy and the Doctor leave for the past. We saw the writing too, and now Rory's death is set.
Hint for Deepa: if an episode is named after something seemingly innocuous, 9 times out of 10 it's the monster for the episode lol
It is rumored that after The Doctor grieved as River kept an eye on the Angel, that he told her to keep watching it while he went to go find a sledgehammer; Cause you can’t kill a stone but you can grind it to bits for killing your in laws
Oh no I'm scaaared. Can't wait to see the reaction!!
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Great one as always! Didn't know if Deepa would laugh at death again but you can tell she's a big DW fan now.
Can't wait for deepa to see the minisode!
Seen this multiple times and "Goodbye" brought me to tears multiple times.
I may get emotionally attached to fictional characters.
Edit: It happened again.
“It’s the end,but the moment is prepared for.”😊
AAAA I love this episode so so much (but ofc it's horrible ;-;) Amy and Rory were my first companions and seeing them leave was devastating. I remember sitting down to watch it and just not wanting to see it because I knew how it would end. I really feel like it was a final episode the characters deserved though and it will always be one of my favourites
One of my favourite bits of amys story is the way its formatted. "Amelia Pond. It like a name out of a fairytale" and "this is the story of Amelia Pond, and this is how it ends" ita just a really nice tie in to her first episode that closes off her story. I love it
Okay when Matt came onto the roof and shouted "what the hell are you doing" and more notably his cries of "NO!" specifically at 14:26 is fricking phenomenal acting. Breaks me apart everytime I hear it.
So here is a story for ya - This is the first episode of Doctor Who I ever watched live, and it aired on TV right before I left for the annual winter/Christmas pageant at my secondary school (which we had well before Winter Break). It was also one of very select few pieces of media that actually had made me cry, so the impressiveness of a then 14 year old watching this, bawling my eyes out hysterically and then putting that to a full stop and going to perform in a school show immediately after... Impressive acting on my part 😂😂😂
But yes, this was the first episode of Doctor Who I ever watched live, after spending about three months prior binge watching all of Matt Smith's era to that point, and a few select episodes of Tennant (I didn't watch the show in order before then. I have seen it all now but my brother started me on Smith so that was the majority of what I had seen. Which actually kinda made this episode even more traumatic, cause Amy and Rory had literally been my only true companions up to that point, hahaha)
I love Arthur Darvill and Karen Gillan on the show💖💔
Are you going to watch all the mini eps with the Paternoster Gang?
3:20 Not you spoiling the episode with clicking wrist.
I have seen this episode a few times but I think Luke's reaction got me actually crying again. I am a mess. Thank you guys for this reaction
It's funny at the beginning because she is way off 🤣😂
I think it's less sad for River because she gets to see her parents whenever she wants. The Ruby Curse? by Alex Kingston? Plus, she sent the book to Amy to get it published. I assume they meet up and stuff.
10:47 "Oh my God! They killed Rory!"
" You bastards!"
Hope you´ll see the mini episode PS (if you didn´t see it yet)... This is one of those hard episodes to rewatch! They´re all great here!
Oh, and the Lockdown episode Rory. It was wo good too!
Deepa was so solemn when the episode ended, this is a very sad time
Didn't cry till the end where the Doctor visits little Amy, and her theme plays... He finally arrived in 5 minutes like he said, went back to where it all began, and that's how it ended...
S7B is going to be a slog for me, but I'm so excited for the ...Of The Doctor trilogy!
I love the music as they're falling off the building, whoooo-who-whooo, who whoooooo-who-whooo.
When I first saw this episode back when it aired, I only managed to read the chapter title "Death at Winter Quay", and not the one that says "Amelia's last farewell". I had also specifically stayed away from DW news and rumors because someone leaked that River is Amy's daughter before season 6 began airing, and I didn't know this would be Amy and Rory's last episode.
Only Deepa, 5 minutes after the episode has established it's about Weeping Angels, could say "This reminds me of the Weeping Angels." 🤣
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Deepa: I wonder who the next companion will be?
Luke *glances at camera*
God this episode makes me cry every time
I remember I watched this at a sleepover with all the boys at school, because we liked the weeping angels, and I put on the performance of my life to not cry at the end there.
Ended up having to excuse myself and cry in the bathroom lol
Amy and Rory's departure makes no sense still to this day.
Why couldn't they just leave New York and go somewhere else in 1938 where the Doctor can travel?
Why couldn't the Doctor find them in 1939 New York? Or 1940?
They're not permanently trapped in 1938 New York, they die in the 80s!
Ughh...
I believe Moffat explained that because they had already created a paradox, Amy and Roy’s timeline became so damaged that when they get sent back it becomes too risky for the Doctor to visit them without destroying New York. Also, he reads the names on the grave, and Amy’s letter reveals they lived their whole lives in New York, making it a fixed future the Doctor can’t change. It’s never explained outright but it’s heavily implied in the episode.
@@nocturne8333 The Doctor can still visit New York in any other year. 1938 is a no go but he could visit them in 1939 or onwards.
And I find it very hard to believe that Amy and Rory, two people addicted to travelling, never left New York after being sent back in time.
It's the most convoluted departure of the whole show.
@@shoogamoogaman I think the problem is more that he can’t see Amy and Rory rather than being unable to go to New York. He knows that Amy and Rory live and die in New York because he’s read what’s happened to them. He also knows that if he goes to see them and takes them, away then it creates a paradox. Also, by the time he tries to fix the temporal disruption in The Return of Doctor Mysterio, he’s accepted that the Ponds lived happy and full lives and so he doesn’t need to go back.
At the very least it’s very well written from an emotional stand point, Moffat knows how to do this significantly more effectively than other writers (compared to the RTD melodrama over Rose and subsequently ruining her exit).
HI guys hope you are all well God bless you hope you enjoy warren and ingrid Melbourne Australia
for the longest time ive been trying to figure out where i recognise u from and i just fckin realised tht its cause you remind me of joe lycett im CRYING
I hope you're planning to react to the Doctor Who minisode called "P.S." which gives us (and Brian) the follow up to Amy and Rory. At least watch it together, otherwise you're missing a crucial bit of the story, and Deepa will think Brian was left watering the plants forever...
This was filmed very close to where I used to work at the time. Sadly I got off work too late to walk up to Tudor City that day.
Please watch the mini episode P.S. !!!
I love the weeping angels but this episode always confuses me
bestie, this is the episode that makes me cry so hard i cannot wait
A true Time of Angels episode, even if it's a hard one to watch. Can't wait to see what Deepa thinks. Onwards!
Deepa vs. The Weeping Angels. A legendary rivalry.
Nah, the real powerful rivalry is Deepa vs. the Daleks
Or Deepa vs. the Cybermen or the Master
Awww The Ponds! This has to be a first. We had a death and Deepa didn't even laugh.
It took a long time for the penny to drop about the Angels, but I love it when it happens. Deepa's reactions have made me chuckle throughout a sad, heavy episode and I'm delighted!
dont forget the next episode P.S
This is the last episode of Doctor Who that I remember the plot of (other than the 50th anniversary)
Hopefully watching you guys watch future episodes will be a more fun experience :)
I hope you watch PS
No rating?
For those who haven’t seen my updates, a reaction to “P.S” will be uploaded next Sunday.
The Sunday after will be “the Snowmen”
So, to clarify: Sunday 20th Feb - P.S
Sunday 27th Feb - The Snowmen
Watch P.s. mini episode
Are you going to watch PS? Got to be worth it, even if you don't react. Also, there are a few other minisodes to watch before the Christmas special: Demons' Run - Two Days Later, The Great Detective and Vastra Investigates. Not essential, but nice to fill the gap and reintroduce us to some of my favourite sidekicks. Deepa, you are SO funny. "I think we'll like the angels" HAHAHAHAHA. And then, when Luke says the next episode is called The Snowmen and you go "Ahhh, that's so nice". Will you never learn?! I hope not!
AHHHHHHHH IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS ONNNNE literally sobbed sooo hard when I first watched it, im just beyond pumped to see yalls reaction to it! love you guys!
I have been waiting since you started this for this episode. POOR DEEPA.
You two need to watch "P.S." episode. It will give you guys a bit more of a ending for Amy and roray story.
you are watching the episode "P.S"
the next companion is my favourite i cant wait
One of my favourite series of Doctor Who.
Amy and Rory are currently the longest-running NuWho companions at 35 episodes, followed by Clara with 33 episodes, Yaz with 31 (including two upcoming specials), and then Rose with 30!
I think Clara actually beats Amy and Rory:
The Eleventh Hour-The Big Bang (13), A Christmas Carol-The Wedding of River Song (14), The Doctor, The Widow and the Wardrobe-The Angels Take Manhattan (6) = 33 episodes
Asylum of the Daleks, The Snowmen, The Bells of Saint John-The Time of the Doctor (12), Deep Breath-Death in Heaven (12), Last Christmas-Face the Raven, Hell Bent (12) = 36 episodes
She must react to the P.S episode
here we go, get the tissues
P.S.?
title is wrong.
Good spot. Thanks 😊
Not gonna lie, 7B is definitely not my favourite and I don't want to watch it again so I guess your reactions will be in some way my 2nd watch.
Do not want to be that guy, but... the Statue of Liberty is not made of stone. So, is this episode telling us that the Angels can be made of any material as long as it is a statue, or did none of the writers and no one on the entire production staff and no one at the BBC know that the Statue of Liberty is not stone?
I believe the in universe explanation is that weeping angels can infect normal statues and turn them into angels, hence the design of the angels that attack Julius Grayle. I think it’s mentioned in Doom Coalition as well, though it could be Fallen Angels (It was definitely Big Finish).
Not to mention that with 7 million ppl in NYC in the 30s there should always be someone looking at the SoL (in fact Luke does mention this at 13:30). The "fixed time" thing I have to accept bc I don't know time travel like the Dr and River do, but the whole State of Liberty thing in this episode is just completely absurd no matter how you look at it.
@@theadamabrams It is amazing how unlike the present era people did not quite have an issue when dr who did not make much sense( which is most of the time)
Say this in my feed and I'm like "ohh shit"
Deepa keeps giving lower marks to angel episodes where the villain is merely doing its job well on being an actual scary thing. Like, it worked, didn't it? Means it's good.